[14:56] <jetsaredim> also, i enabled those repos - changed hardy to gutsy - and there doesn't seem to be any updates
[14:56] <Hobbsee> did you do an update after that?
[14:56] <jetsaredim> yea
[14:57] <jetsaredim> do i need more than just main?
[14:59] <jetsaredim> ok - enabled restricted, uni, multi
[14:59] <jetsaredim> where is the gpg for this server?
[15:03] <Hobbsee> see kubuntu.org information
[15:03] <jetsaredim> .org?
[15:03] <Hobbsee> ...yes.
[15:05]  * jetsaredim searches
[15:07] <jpatrick> jetsaredim: look at the beta3 page
[15:11] <jetsaredim> jpatrick: i don't see any gpg information there
[15:12] <jpatrick> jetsaredim: "wget http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg"
[15:15] <bddebian> Heya
[15:18] <jetsaredim> also - something i just realized - is that the beta3 instructions only tell you how to install the code packages, but that doesn't install all of the kde4 packages, does it?
[15:23] <jpatrick> jetsaredim: it installs only the base, but you can install all the others if you want
[15:24] <jetsaredim> just tried that, but it fails to find some packages
[15:24] <jpatrick> well, I have no idea then..
[15:25] <jetsaredim> i suppose that would explain why i never had a useible kde4 install
[15:26] <jpatrick> when I tried out beta3 it was pretty stable
[15:26] <jetsaredim> right - but if you don't install all of the kde4* packages it doesn't really work too well
[15:28] <jetsaredim> had always wondered why it looked hosed
[15:28] <jetsaredim> might have been nice if it were also noted in the beta page
[15:49] <Tm_T> jpatrick: recursive chown to whole d3lphin dir would be better, I'm sure there's more of them having icky
[15:50] <Tm_T> jpatrick: anyway, I have to go so have fun ;) ->
[15:50] <jpatrick> Tm_T: ah, right, I thought there was something bad thing about it :>
[15:51] <Tm_T> jpatrick: no really, it's just messy if five people is yelling same case
[15:51] <Tm_T> but I'm gone ->
[15:51] <jpatrick> have fun!
[15:53] <ElmerMidd> Hi everyone!
[15:53] <ElmerMidd> Dropped by to tell you that i can no longer connect to the internet on kubuntu gutsy
[15:54] <ElmerMidd> It was working last night, and this morning it was no longer connected, and won't connect again.
[15:54] <ElmerMidd> when forcing ifup i get an error-message saying something like 'siocaddrt: no such process'
[15:55] <jpatrick> ElmerMidd: tried "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" ?
[15:55] <ElmerMidd> No problems connecting to the net from windows (embarassing)
[15:55] <ElmerMidd> nope. but i didn't do anything to shut it down either...
[15:56] <jpatrick> sudo /etc/init.d/networking start ? :)
[15:57] <ElmerMidd> ok. i'll give it a go. but while i'm still here, i'd like to mention some other small things:
[15:57] <ElmerMidd> you are probably aware that java-runtime won't install from apt-get?
[15:57]  * jpatrick don't use java so no
[15:58] <ElmerMidd> and in the norwegian version of kubuntu, the systemsettings -> screen/monitor is in japanese.
[15:58] <jpatrick> ...
[15:58] <Captain_Redbeard> ElmerMidd, get with the flow, learn japaneese
[15:59] <Captain_Redbeard> No but seriously... I think that
[15:59] <Captain_Redbeard> it's a KDE problem rather than a kubuntu one
[15:59] <ElmerMidd> i'm trying to work on my korean, so it would be a lot easier if it was in english, french, german, swedish, danish or... norwegian! ;-)
[15:59] <Captain_Redbeard> Svenska 4tw
[15:59] <ElmerMidd> svensk would work better than japanese, for sure!
[16:00] <Captain_Redbeard> I don't know if the norweigian i18 translation is at 100% yet tbh
[16:00] <ElmerMidd> well, it was in norwegian, i think, in 7.04
[16:00] <Captain_Redbeard> Ja norska heter ju norska och inte svenska på grund av politiska skäl snarare än språkligt gramatiska :P
[16:00] <ElmerMidd> or at least in english. don't remember.
[16:00] <Captain_Redbeard> However... have you checked the KDE bug database for it?
[16:01] <Captain_Redbeard> If not... submit a ticket to the lads and hopefully it will be sorted before 4.0 ;)
[16:01] <ElmerMidd> vel, norsk har vel MINST like lang historie som svensk... og når får vi herjedalen og værmtland tilbake?! ;-)
[16:01] <Riddell> ElmerMidd: screen translation bug is a known issue, will be fixed with language pack update
[16:02] <Riddell> ElmerMidd: network not working is likely a linux issue and we're not the experts there
[16:03] <ElmerMidd> thanks everyone! i'll try your tip and see if i can sort it out. I'll try to let you know.
[16:03] <ElmerMidd> reboot again... :-P
[16:03] <Captain_Redbeard> ElmerMidd, when do we get your whole country back ;)
[16:04] <jpatrick> too late!
[16:04] <Captain_Redbeard> Owned :(
[16:05] <Captain_Redbeard> Hmm.. is there any "things that has to be done"-list for the next release so I've got something to work on? :P
[16:06] <jpatrick> Captain_Redbeard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuHardyCatchup ?
[16:09] <Captain_Redbeard> jpatrick, thank you thank you... :)
[16:09] <ElmerMidd> hi again!
[16:09] <ElmerMidd> sudo /etc/init.d/networking start  did not work... same error.
[16:10] <ElmerMidd> siocaddr: no such process
[16:10] <ElmerMidd> any ideas that doesn't involve changing distro?
[16:10] <Captain_Redbeard> [17:03] <Captain_Redbeard> ElmerMidd, when do we get your whole country back ;)
[16:11] <ElmerMidd> when you stop occupying southern finland. maybe.
[16:11] <ElmerMidd> :-)
[16:11] <Captain_Redbeard> ElmerMidd, Well all of finland are belongs to us as well :)
[16:11] <Captain_Redbeard> ElmerMidd, what does ifconfig report?
[16:11] <ElmerMidd> reboot again?! :-P
[16:12] <Captain_Redbeard> Oh you dual boot? :O
[16:12] <Captain_Redbeard> Ok before you reboot
[16:12] <ElmerMidd> yes. i feel dirty using windows now...
[16:12] <Captain_Redbeard> copy/pastebin this for me please: ifconfig output, lsmod output and dhclient output
[16:12] <ElmerMidd> not possibel. i can't get on the net!
[16:12] <ElmerMidd> from linux..
[16:12] <Captain_Redbeard> oh lol
[16:13] <Captain_Redbeard> cant you paste it into a text file and retrieve it from windows?
[16:13] <ElmerMidd> that would be possible.
[16:13] <Captain_Redbeard> or no lol... inwdows can't handle ext3... but maybe your linux can handle NTFS?
[16:13] <ElmerMidd> no, my windows can handle ext3 ;-)
[16:13] <Captain_Redbeard> :D
[16:14] <ElmerMidd> how do i get the dhclient output?
[16:14] <Captain_Redbeard> well you type: dhclient eth0 and observes what it bounces back to you ;)
[16:14] <Captain_Redbeard> or better yet
[16:14] <Captain_Redbeard> sudo dhclient eth0 > outputfile
[16:15] <Captain_Redbeard> but hmm
[16:15] <ElmerMidd> ok... i'll give it a try and i'll be back in a few minutes.
[16:15] <Captain_Redbeard> I'm at work, and I just got off...so maybe I won't be here to answer you
[16:15] <Captain_Redbeard> but with that information in hand anyone here could sort you out mate
[16:15] <ElmerMidd> ok. i'll give it a try. Thanks!
[16:16] <Captain_Redbeard> good luck :)
[16:16] <ElmerMidd> i think i'll need it... thanks again!
[16:27] <ElmerMidd> still there redbeard?
[16:29] <ElmerMidd> got the pastebin-thing ready if you anyone wants to have a look.
[16:30] <ElmerMidd> http://pastebin.com/d17c7b7c
[16:30] <ElmerMidd> I don't think the lsmod is to interesting. I can already connect to the router. it's getting past the router that's the problem it seems like...
[16:31] <jpatrick> ElmerMidd: never seen one of those before, prehaps #kubuntu might help?
[16:31]  * jpatrick points to the LongPointyStick
[16:31] <Riddell> ElmerMidd: is that ip address right?  seems strange to get a public address (80.x.x.x) from a private network (10.x.x.x)
[16:31] <ElmerMidd> hmmm... maybe download.mandriva.com can help? ;-)
[16:32] <ElmerMidd> the ip is not right. it should be 10.0.0.xxx
[16:32] <jpatrick> aha!
[16:32] <Riddell> ElmerMidd: so sounds like there's a rouge dhcp server on your network
[16:32] <ElmerMidd> i've tried to set it manually, but still no luck.
[16:33] <ElmerMidd> hmmm... but why can i get internet-access from windows and not from linux then?
[16:33] <Riddell> tis indeed strange
[16:33] <ElmerMidd> and annoying!
[16:33] <ElmerMidd> your ears would bleed if you'd heard me today...
[16:35] <ElmerMidd> is it possible that it has something to do with the kernel in 7.10? is it possible to apt-get the kernel from 7.04? or would that just cause more problems?
[16:38] <jpatrick> ElmerMidd: couldn't you manually set the settings?
[16:38] <ElmerMidd> i've tried. no luck.
[16:38] <ElmerMidd> no difference. but then again i'm no network wiz...
[16:39] <jpatrick> neither am I...
[16:40] <ElmerMidd> it's not often that i experience that it's easier to get on the net from windows than from linux...
[16:42] <ElmerMidd> i'll doublecheck the manual settings before i start downloading mandriva....
[16:43] <ElmerMidd> thanks for your time guys!
[16:50] <DaSkreech> Hi all
[16:50] <Hobbsee> greetings
[16:50]  * DaSkreech waves at Hobbsee  and Jucato
[16:50] <Jucato> live long and prosper!
[16:50] <ElmerMidd> allright! finally back on the net from linux. now with manual settings.
[16:51] <ElmerMidd> not sure what i did different :-P
[16:51] <ElmerMidd> thanks for your time guys! (and girls if any)
[16:51]  * Hobbsee is, but didnt help :P
[16:52] <Jucato> you didn't poke with your LongPointyStick.... that's enough help :)
[16:52] <ElmerMidd> Haha!
[16:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[16:52] <ElmerMidd> anyway... off to see what's on the internets today! :-)
[16:53] <ElmerMidd> bye!
[16:53]  * DaSkreech ponder the nick ElmerFUD
[16:55] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: FUD ?
[16:56] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[16:56] <DaSkreech> Like PingFloyd
[16:56] <DaSkreech> Kinda name only a geek could love
[16:57] <jpatrick> ah right
[17:07] <DaSkreech> Jucato: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071113-opendocument-foundation-closes-up-shop-after-slamming-opendocument-format.html
[17:07] <DaSkreech> \o/
[17:07] <Jucato> heh yeah
[17:08] <DaSkreech> I still don't get the w3c's move for CDF though
[17:08] <Jucato> you didn't read the interview with the w3c guy?
[17:09] <Jucato> CDF isn't meant to be a document standard the way ODF is. it's not on the same level
[17:10] <Jucato> DaSkreech: http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20071109070012244
[17:11] <DaSkreech> thanks
[17:12] <Jucato> they had to close shop after that article was released. too much embarrassment :)
[17:12] <DaSkreech> Well yeah having the general tech community laugh in general direction then turn around and walk off reminds you of oooh say SCO
[17:13] <Jucato> if you read that article, you'll find out it's more than just the laughter :)
[17:15] <DaSkreech> The laughter is enough
[17:16]  * DaSkreech laughs at Mary Jo Foley
[17:18] <jpatrick> lol
[17:40] <jcastro> nixternal: ping me when you're around pls!
[17:59] <mhb> evening
[18:00] <jpatrick> evin
[18:04] <mhb> Riddell: combined char input method doesn't work in Kubuntu KDE Hardy, works in GNOME apps
[18:04] <mhb> Riddell: we already had this kind of bug in Feisty cycle, AFAIK
[18:05] <Riddell> mhb: mm, could well be that pesky visibility patch in qt
[18:05] <Riddell> which I was, once again, promised would cause no problems this time
[18:05] <Riddell> mhb: if you fancy testing remove the patch from qt-x11-free debian/patches/series and recompile
[18:05] <Riddell> and maybe also recompile kdelibs against it
[18:06] <mhb> okay, I will do that later
[18:12] <mikkael> will the next kde4 snapshot be the beta 4 or more recent svn snapshot ?
[18:15] <Riddell> more recent beta
[18:16] <sebas> rc you mean? :)
[18:16] <coreymon77> Riddell: im just curious, is kde4 gonna be default de for hardy
[18:16] <coreymon77> ?
[18:16] <sebas> Nope
[18:17] <jpatrick> coreymon77: no, it's too "unstable" for a Long Term Support release
[18:17] <Riddell> should be for edubuntu
[18:17] <coreymon77> hardys lts?
[18:18] <coreymon77> oh
[18:18] <coreymon77> will there be supported apt binary pacakges for it?
[18:20] <Riddell> for the parts in main, otherwise in universe
[18:21] <coreymon77> man, it really ticks me off when people use a beta and then complain that its unstable
[18:21] <coreymon77> beta means beta!
[18:22] <coreymon77> if you dont want to deal with unstable, dont use a beta!
[18:22] <sebas> Or don't upgrade to Gutsy, in my three cases.
[18:23] <coreymon77> gutsy aseems fine for me
[18:23] <coreymon77> im talking about kde4 here, people installing the beta, then complaining that its unstable and buggy
[18:23] <coreymon77> of course it is! thats why its called beta!
[18:24] <sebas> It's not that unstable for me.
[18:24] <sebas> I think in general complaining is a bad thing, though.
[18:25] <coreymon77> well, the bell just rang
[18:25] <coreymon77> time to go
[18:27] <mhb> Riddell: the 05_hidden_visibility patch?
[18:30] <Riddell> mhb: kubuntu_05_gcc_hidden_visibility.dpatch
[18:31] <mhb> Riddell: right, thanks
[18:32] <Riddell> 00list is where is needs to be removed from
[19:18] <mhb> Riddell: I've recompiled Qt, haven't tested it yet but I guess it is even more likely that it is that patch - my Qt4/KDE4 apps are unaffected
[19:19] <mhb> Riddell: confirmed, recompiled Qt and newly started KDE apps seem to work fine
[19:23] <Riddell> mhb: I had a feeling it would cause trouble (again)
[19:23] <Riddell> mhb: did you need to recompile kdelibs?
[19:23] <mhb> no
[19:23] <Riddell> ok, easy enough to revert then
[19:24] <mhb> what does that patch fix?
[19:55] <jpatrick> Riddell: would it be an idea to sync k3b-i18n from Debian?
[20:18] <yuriy> http://liquidat.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/qpackagekit.png <- what's requres supposed to mean?
[20:18]  * yuriy doesn't like that interface
[20:19] <jpatrick> yuriy: that's a great question
[20:19]  * yuriy realizes it's far from complete though
[20:19] <yuriy> s/requres/requires
[20:20]  * jpatrick would remove the "i386"s tho
[20:20] <jpatrick> I mean, it's understood what archtype the things downloading
[20:51] <Tm_T> Tonio_: you there?
[20:59] <Riddell> jpatrick: yes, that should be good
[20:59] <Riddell> mhb: the patch lets gcc hide a lot of symbols in libraries, which means they load up faster
[21:01] <mhb> ah
[21:46] <nixternal> hola
[21:46] <DaSkreech> aye
[21:46] <nixternal> booyah!
[21:47] <nixternal> I aced my c++ project and even gained 15% extra credit
[21:47] <begert_> nice
[21:47] <DaSkreech> For doing it in a OS written in C++ instead of VB ?
[21:47] <nixternal> heck no, cuz my project roxored their socks off
[21:48] <begert_> what was the project?
[21:48] <nixternal> it was good though, because I got to actually learn how to use valgrind and gdb a heck of a lot better
[21:49] <nixternal> this project was part 1 of a distributed backup framework that myself and 2 others decided we would do
[21:49] <nixternal> I couldn't think of anything original :)
[21:49] <begert_> still sounds good
[21:50] <nixternal> and one of the things students brought up that they would like to see done, was a way for them to backup their hard drives in a safe way
[21:51] <nixternal> we still have a few bugs to work out and would like to extend it from just a few nodes to as many nodes as possible...kind of like a combo of seti@home and bittorrent
[21:51] <nixternal> seti in the way of multiple systems running the framework, and bittorrent in the way of creating small packets for transfering back and forth between the nodes
[21:52] <begert_> hmm, thats interesting, do the nodes have a concept of the data, or is it just a chunk of backed up hardrive?
[21:53] <nixternal> right now just a chunk
[21:54] <begert_> and multiple nodes would have the same chunk ?
[21:54] <nixternal> next is getting it to drop off a bit of data at each node, but then putting extra chunks of the same data at different nodes so that in case of a node crash or loss, there will be no data loss
[21:54] <nixternal> and then after that comes the encryption portion
[21:54] <begert_> right, thats a pretty sweet project
[21:56] <begert_> I imgagine the tricky part would be in somehow making sure all chunks are available by all nodes
[21:57] <nixternal> well, lucky us, if we do decide to go further, there is a company here in Chicago that already does a project similar to ours
[21:57] <begert_> it would be cool if you could scan the nodes and if a chunk is not found redistribute from a local copy of the back-up
[21:57] <nixternal> difference being, we want ours to work on any platform
[21:57] <nixternal> that is what it will do eventually
[21:57] <begert_> nice
[21:58] <nixternal> or at least what we would like it to do
[21:58] <begert_> ;) , time for me to head home from work
[21:58] <begert_> laterz
[21:58] <nixternal> later
[21:58] <nixternal> I still have more class tonight...yay
[21:59] <nixternal> I can never get a break
[22:01] <nixternal> dude, I am ready to write my own OS...who's with me? :p
[22:07] <mhb> nixternal: fat chance
[22:08] <mhb> nixternal: well maybe, after I prove P=NP I might consider joining your group
[22:09] <DaSkreech> nixternal: In Java?
[22:20] <nixternal> DaSkreech: c++
[22:20] <begert> ahhh, home :P
[22:21] <DaSkreech> :-)
[22:23] <nixternal> java would suck to do a framework in...java is good for one thing, multi-platform, super portable, gui applications
[22:23] <nixternal> if it doesn't have a gui, then java shouldn't be a choice
[22:24] <Riddell> dunno about that, it's pretty popular for web server bits
[22:24] <mhb> the urge... to flame... too strong
[22:25] <Riddell> I only know one decent GUI app in java
[22:25]  * sebas blinks
[22:25] <mhb> java apps are portable, but they usually look out-of-place on most platforms
[22:25] <mhb> GUI
[22:26] <mhb> I mean the "swing" API (or whatever it is called, I am no Java exper)
[22:26] <nixternal> Riddell: j2ee maybe, but not straight java
[22:27] <mhb> I think with Jambi it might be a bit different, but Jambi's not widely used yet
[22:27] <nixternal> mhb: you are correct...the swing api is the latest gui api for java...it replaced, or in the process of replacing the awt api gui objects
[22:27] <nixternal> mhb: jambi makes your app look more KDE
[22:27] <sebas> Riddell: Which app is that?
[22:28] <Riddell> sebas: eclipse seems popular
[22:28] <sebas> Eclipse is a mystery to me.
[22:28] <nixternal> I mainly use eclipse...w/o a doubt my favorite ide
[22:28] <nixternal> sebas: I wish I could use KDevelop a lot better than what I can currently
[22:28] <Riddell> swing is horrific, swt seems passable
[22:29] <sebas> It's so complex (like the rest of java I know) that I'm afraid of een starting it
[22:29] <nixternal> Riddell: deffinitely swt over swing any day
[22:30] <nixternal> one of the projects I am working on now uses swt and thus far it is pretty sharp
[22:31] <DaSkreech> Java isn't that complex unltil you start building cathedrals
[22:40] <sebas> Or try to do trivial things
[22:45] <lnxkde> phh God !!
[22:45] <lnxkde> a update for kde4
[22:45] <lnxkde> :/
[22:51] <DaSkreech> They tagged somethign yesterday?
[22:59] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: I am donwloading some updates on adept lets see how they work out...