[14:56] also, i enabled those repos - changed hardy to gutsy - and there doesn't seem to be any updates [14:56] did you do an update after that? [14:56] yea [14:57] do i need more than just main? [14:59] ok - enabled restricted, uni, multi [14:59] where is the gpg for this server? [15:03] see kubuntu.org information [15:03] .org? [15:03] ...yes. [15:05] * jetsaredim searches [15:07] jetsaredim: look at the beta3 page [15:11] jpatrick: i don't see any gpg information there [15:12] jetsaredim: "wget http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg" [15:15] Heya [15:18] also - something i just realized - is that the beta3 instructions only tell you how to install the code packages, but that doesn't install all of the kde4 packages, does it? [15:23] jetsaredim: it installs only the base, but you can install all the others if you want [15:24] just tried that, but it fails to find some packages [15:24] well, I have no idea then.. [15:25] i suppose that would explain why i never had a useible kde4 install [15:26] when I tried out beta3 it was pretty stable [15:26] right - but if you don't install all of the kde4* packages it doesn't really work too well [15:28] had always wondered why it looked hosed [15:28] might have been nice if it were also noted in the beta page [15:49] jpatrick: recursive chown to whole d3lphin dir would be better, I'm sure there's more of them having icky [15:50] jpatrick: anyway, I have to go so have fun ;) -> [15:50] Tm_T: ah, right, I thought there was something bad thing about it :> [15:51] jpatrick: no really, it's just messy if five people is yelling same case [15:51] but I'm gone -> [15:51] have fun! [15:53] Hi everyone! [15:53] Dropped by to tell you that i can no longer connect to the internet on kubuntu gutsy [15:54] It was working last night, and this morning it was no longer connected, and won't connect again. [15:54] when forcing ifup i get an error-message saying something like 'siocaddrt: no such process' [15:55] ElmerMidd: tried "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" ? [15:55] No problems connecting to the net from windows (embarassing) [15:55] nope. but i didn't do anything to shut it down either... [15:56] sudo /etc/init.d/networking start ? :) [15:57] ok. i'll give it a go. but while i'm still here, i'd like to mention some other small things: [15:57] you are probably aware that java-runtime won't install from apt-get? [15:57] * jpatrick don't use java so no [15:58] and in the norwegian version of kubuntu, the systemsettings -> screen/monitor is in japanese. [15:58] ... [15:58] ElmerMidd, get with the flow, learn japaneese [15:59] No but seriously... I think that [15:59] it's a KDE problem rather than a kubuntu one [15:59] i'm trying to work on my korean, so it would be a lot easier if it was in english, french, german, swedish, danish or... norwegian! ;-) [15:59] Svenska 4tw [15:59] svensk would work better than japanese, for sure! [16:00] I don't know if the norweigian i18 translation is at 100% yet tbh [16:00] well, it was in norwegian, i think, in 7.04 [16:00] Ja norska heter ju norska och inte svenska på grund av politiska skäl snarare än språkligt gramatiska :P [16:00] or at least in english. don't remember. [16:00] However... have you checked the KDE bug database for it? [16:01] If not... submit a ticket to the lads and hopefully it will be sorted before 4.0 ;) [16:01] vel, norsk har vel MINST like lang historie som svensk... og når får vi herjedalen og værmtland tilbake?! ;-) [16:01] ElmerMidd: screen translation bug is a known issue, will be fixed with language pack update === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [16:02] ElmerMidd: network not working is likely a linux issue and we're not the experts there [16:03] thanks everyone! i'll try your tip and see if i can sort it out. I'll try to let you know. [16:03] reboot again... :-P [16:03] ElmerMidd, when do we get your whole country back ;) [16:04] too late! [16:04] Owned :( [16:05] Hmm.. is there any "things that has to be done"-list for the next release so I've got something to work on? :P [16:06] Captain_Redbeard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuHardyCatchup ? [16:09] jpatrick, thank you thank you... :) [16:09] hi again! [16:09] sudo /etc/init.d/networking start did not work... same error. [16:10] siocaddr: no such process [16:10] any ideas that doesn't involve changing distro? [16:10] [17:03] ElmerMidd, when do we get your whole country back ;) [16:11] when you stop occupying southern finland. maybe. [16:11] :-) [16:11] ElmerMidd, Well all of finland are belongs to us as well :) === \sh is now known as \sh_away [16:11] ElmerMidd, what does ifconfig report? [16:11] reboot again?! :-P [16:12] Oh you dual boot? :O [16:12] Ok before you reboot [16:12] yes. i feel dirty using windows now... [16:12] copy/pastebin this for me please: ifconfig output, lsmod output and dhclient output [16:12] not possibel. i can't get on the net! [16:12] from linux.. [16:12] oh lol [16:13] cant you paste it into a text file and retrieve it from windows? [16:13] that would be possible. [16:13] or no lol... inwdows can't handle ext3... but maybe your linux can handle NTFS? [16:13] no, my windows can handle ext3 ;-) [16:13] :D [16:14] how do i get the dhclient output? [16:14] well you type: dhclient eth0 and observes what it bounces back to you ;) [16:14] or better yet [16:14] sudo dhclient eth0 > outputfile [16:15] but hmm [16:15] ok... i'll give it a try and i'll be back in a few minutes. [16:15] I'm at work, and I just got off...so maybe I won't be here to answer you [16:15] but with that information in hand anyone here could sort you out mate [16:15] ok. i'll give it a try. Thanks! [16:16] good luck :) [16:16] i think i'll need it... thanks again! [16:27] still there redbeard? [16:29] got the pastebin-thing ready if you anyone wants to have a look. [16:30] http://pastebin.com/d17c7b7c [16:30] I don't think the lsmod is to interesting. I can already connect to the router. it's getting past the router that's the problem it seems like... [16:31] ElmerMidd: never seen one of those before, prehaps #kubuntu might help? [16:31] * jpatrick points to the LongPointyStick [16:31] ElmerMidd: is that ip address right? seems strange to get a public address (80.x.x.x) from a private network (10.x.x.x) [16:31] hmmm... maybe download.mandriva.com can help? ;-) [16:32] the ip is not right. it should be 10.0.0.xxx [16:32] aha! [16:32] ElmerMidd: so sounds like there's a rouge dhcp server on your network [16:32] i've tried to set it manually, but still no luck. [16:33] hmmm... but why can i get internet-access from windows and not from linux then? [16:33] tis indeed strange [16:33] and annoying! [16:33] your ears would bleed if you'd heard me today... [16:35] is it possible that it has something to do with the kernel in 7.10? is it possible to apt-get the kernel from 7.04? or would that just cause more problems? [16:38] ElmerMidd: couldn't you manually set the settings? [16:38] i've tried. no luck. [16:38] no difference. but then again i'm no network wiz... [16:39] neither am I... [16:40] it's not often that i experience that it's easier to get on the net from windows than from linux... [16:42] i'll doublecheck the manual settings before i start downloading mandriva.... [16:43] thanks for your time guys! [16:50] Hi all [16:50] greetings [16:50] * DaSkreech waves at Hobbsee and Jucato [16:50] live long and prosper! [16:50] allright! finally back on the net from linux. now with manual settings. [16:51] not sure what i did different :-P [16:51] thanks for your time guys! (and girls if any) [16:51] * Hobbsee is, but didnt help :P [16:52] you didn't poke with your LongPointyStick.... that's enough help :) [16:52] Haha! [16:52] hehe [16:52] anyway... off to see what's on the internets today! :-) [16:53] bye! [16:53] * DaSkreech ponder the nick ElmerFUD [16:55] DaSkreech: FUD ? [16:56] Yeah [16:56] Like PingFloyd [16:56] Kinda name only a geek could love [16:57] ah right [17:07] Jucato: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071113-opendocument-foundation-closes-up-shop-after-slamming-opendocument-format.html [17:07] \o/ [17:07] heh yeah [17:08] I still don't get the w3c's move for CDF though [17:08] you didn't read the interview with the w3c guy? [17:09] CDF isn't meant to be a document standard the way ODF is. it's not on the same level [17:10] DaSkreech: http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20071109070012244 [17:11] thanks [17:12] they had to close shop after that article was released. too much embarrassment :) [17:12] Well yeah having the general tech community laugh in general direction then turn around and walk off reminds you of oooh say SCO [17:13] if you read that article, you'll find out it's more than just the laughter :) [17:15] The laughter is enough [17:16] * DaSkreech laughs at Mary Jo Foley [17:18] lol [17:40] nixternal: ping me when you're around pls! [17:59] evening [18:00] evin [18:04] Riddell: combined char input method doesn't work in Kubuntu KDE Hardy, works in GNOME apps [18:04] Riddell: we already had this kind of bug in Feisty cycle, AFAIK [18:05] mhb: mm, could well be that pesky visibility patch in qt [18:05] which I was, once again, promised would cause no problems this time [18:05] mhb: if you fancy testing remove the patch from qt-x11-free debian/patches/series and recompile [18:05] and maybe also recompile kdelibs against it [18:06] okay, I will do that later === coreymon is now known as coreymon77 [18:12] will the next kde4 snapshot be the beta 4 or more recent svn snapshot ? [18:15] more recent beta [18:16] rc you mean? :) [18:16] Riddell: im just curious, is kde4 gonna be default de for hardy [18:16] ? [18:16] Nope [18:17] coreymon77: no, it's too "unstable" for a Long Term Support release [18:17] should be for edubuntu [18:17] hardys lts? [18:18] oh [18:18] will there be supported apt binary pacakges for it? [18:20] for the parts in main, otherwise in universe [18:21] man, it really ticks me off when people use a beta and then complain that its unstable [18:21] beta means beta! [18:22] if you dont want to deal with unstable, dont use a beta! [18:22] Or don't upgrade to Gutsy, in my three cases. [18:23] gutsy aseems fine for me [18:23] im talking about kde4 here, people installing the beta, then complaining that its unstable and buggy [18:23] of course it is! thats why its called beta! [18:24] It's not that unstable for me. [18:24] I think in general complaining is a bad thing, though. [18:25] well, the bell just rang [18:25] time to go [18:27] Riddell: the 05_hidden_visibility patch? [18:30] mhb: kubuntu_05_gcc_hidden_visibility.dpatch [18:31] Riddell: right, thanks [18:32] 00list is where is needs to be removed from [19:18] Riddell: I've recompiled Qt, haven't tested it yet but I guess it is even more likely that it is that patch - my Qt4/KDE4 apps are unaffected [19:19] Riddell: confirmed, recompiled Qt and newly started KDE apps seem to work fine [19:23] mhb: I had a feeling it would cause trouble (again) [19:23] mhb: did you need to recompile kdelibs? [19:23] no [19:23] ok, easy enough to revert then [19:24] what does that patch fix? === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [19:55] Riddell: would it be an idea to sync k3b-i18n from Debian? [20:18] http://liquidat.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/qpackagekit.png <- what's requres supposed to mean? [20:18] * yuriy doesn't like that interface [20:19] yuriy: that's a great question [20:19] * yuriy realizes it's far from complete though [20:19] s/requres/requires [20:20] * jpatrick would remove the "i386"s tho [20:20] I mean, it's understood what archtype the things downloading [20:51] Tonio_: you there? [20:59] jpatrick: yes, that should be good [20:59] mhb: the patch lets gcc hide a lot of symbols in libraries, which means they load up faster [21:01] ah [21:46] hola [21:46] aye [21:46] booyah! [21:47] I aced my c++ project and even gained 15% extra credit [21:47] nice [21:47] For doing it in a OS written in C++ instead of VB ? [21:47] heck no, cuz my project roxored their socks off [21:48] what was the project? [21:48] it was good though, because I got to actually learn how to use valgrind and gdb a heck of a lot better [21:49] this project was part 1 of a distributed backup framework that myself and 2 others decided we would do [21:49] I couldn't think of anything original :) [21:49] still sounds good [21:50] and one of the things students brought up that they would like to see done, was a way for them to backup their hard drives in a safe way [21:51] we still have a few bugs to work out and would like to extend it from just a few nodes to as many nodes as possible...kind of like a combo of seti@home and bittorrent [21:51] seti in the way of multiple systems running the framework, and bittorrent in the way of creating small packets for transfering back and forth between the nodes [21:52] hmm, thats interesting, do the nodes have a concept of the data, or is it just a chunk of backed up hardrive? [21:53] right now just a chunk [21:54] and multiple nodes would have the same chunk ? [21:54] next is getting it to drop off a bit of data at each node, but then putting extra chunks of the same data at different nodes so that in case of a node crash or loss, there will be no data loss [21:54] and then after that comes the encryption portion [21:54] right, thats a pretty sweet project [21:56] I imgagine the tricky part would be in somehow making sure all chunks are available by all nodes [21:57] well, lucky us, if we do decide to go further, there is a company here in Chicago that already does a project similar to ours [21:57] it would be cool if you could scan the nodes and if a chunk is not found redistribute from a local copy of the back-up [21:57] difference being, we want ours to work on any platform [21:57] that is what it will do eventually [21:57] nice [21:58] or at least what we would like it to do [21:58] ;) , time for me to head home from work [21:58] laterz [21:58] later [21:58] I still have more class tonight...yay [21:59] I can never get a break [22:01] dude, I am ready to write my own OS...who's with me? :p [22:07] nixternal: fat chance [22:08] nixternal: well maybe, after I prove P=NP I might consider joining your group [22:09] nixternal: In Java? [22:20] DaSkreech: c++ [22:20] ahhh, home :P [22:21] :-) [22:23] java would suck to do a framework in...java is good for one thing, multi-platform, super portable, gui applications [22:23] if it doesn't have a gui, then java shouldn't be a choice [22:24] dunno about that, it's pretty popular for web server bits [22:24] the urge... to flame... too strong [22:25] I only know one decent GUI app in java [22:25] * sebas blinks [22:25] java apps are portable, but they usually look out-of-place on most platforms [22:25] GUI [22:26] I mean the "swing" API (or whatever it is called, I am no Java exper) [22:26] Riddell: j2ee maybe, but not straight java [22:27] I think with Jambi it might be a bit different, but Jambi's not widely used yet [22:27] mhb: you are correct...the swing api is the latest gui api for java...it replaced, or in the process of replacing the awt api gui objects [22:27] mhb: jambi makes your app look more KDE [22:27] Riddell: Which app is that? [22:28] sebas: eclipse seems popular [22:28] Eclipse is a mystery to me. [22:28] I mainly use eclipse...w/o a doubt my favorite ide [22:28] sebas: I wish I could use KDevelop a lot better than what I can currently [22:28] swing is horrific, swt seems passable [22:29] It's so complex (like the rest of java I know) that I'm afraid of een starting it [22:29] Riddell: deffinitely swt over swing any day [22:30] one of the projects I am working on now uses swt and thus far it is pretty sharp [22:31] Java isn't that complex unltil you start building cathedrals [22:40] Or try to do trivial things [22:45] phh God !! [22:45] a update for kde4 [22:45] :/ [22:51] They tagged somethign yesterday? [22:59] DaSkreech: I am donwloading some updates on adept lets see how they work out...