[14:55] <juacom99> timri: thanks men
[14:56] <juacom99> timri: fior been so patient ;)
[14:56] <juacom99> *for
[14:56] <timri> juacom99: You're welcome (well, you really solved it yourself :) )
[14:56] <juacom99> timri: yes XD
[14:57] <timri> juacom99: By the way: If you prefer to talk in spanish:
[14:57] <timri> !es
[14:57] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[14:58] <juacom99> i know thanks
[14:58] <juacom99> i'm already there
[14:58] <juacom99> but noone awnser my quiestion
[14:58] <timri> juacom99: lol, I'am a bit slow today :)
[14:59]  * juacom99 trying to find the printer port
[15:00] <SeicherlBoB> i used to run a shell script - triggered by a hotkey - which shows a kdialog or the systemsettings. now since i updated to gutsy i get an DCOP communication error (couldnt read network connection list). if i press ok, the script goes on and works. my scripts using gtk-Cprograms are all fine. only KDE-scripts (kdialog, systemsettings) are complaining. what happend to my scripts? how can i fix that?
[15:00] <Roey> hi
[15:01] <Roey> why do I find Debian-based systems so much easier to administer than wrongly-based ones like Red Hat and Suse?
[15:01] <Roey> like, what the frick are RH and Novell's problems?
[15:02] <Roey> they construct these giant elaborate shells around the standard /etc configuration files.
[15:02] <Roey> GOD
[15:02] <Roey> can't stand this.;
[15:02] <timri> SeicherlBoB: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-511300.html
[15:03] <SeicherlBoB> timri: thanks, i'll check that
[15:03] <bazhang> Roey: care to join me in #kubuntu-offtopic?
[15:04] <Roey> sure.
[15:04] <timri> SeicherlBoB: Iirc I had a similar problem on solaris once, not sure, but I think it was some kdedirs vs kdedir problem (ah, the joys of lecagy cruft :) )
[15:05] <timri> SeicherlBoB:  *legacy
[15:05] <juacom99> ups i didn't need the ip and port ;) there's an option for shearing printers with samba :D
[15:06] <kaminix^> Wow, what's with the massive apt-update? ^^ Usually it's just the FLAC, or just QT, or just something else... now it's like 5 different sets at once ^^
[15:08] <juacom99> does kubuntu 7.10 have any driver for a epson stylus 3900??
[15:08] <SeicherlBoB> timri: actually those scripts are triggerd via acpi - so they are run as root. and the rights and ownership for .kde are right for root and user
[15:10] <timri> SeicherlBoB: Ah, ok. But won't they be using /root/.DCOP* then ?
[15:11] <SeicherlBoB> timri: there is no .dcop in /root/
[15:12] <timri> SeicherlBoB: ??? You drop to another user in those scripts? Or am I hallucinating ?
[15:12] <juacom99> timri: i got a porblem...
[15:12] <timri> juacom99: :)
[15:13] <juacom99> timri: kubuntu don't havc the drivers  for my printer :(
[15:13] <SeicherlBoB> timri: oh great! something made a .kde in my root (/) !
[15:13] <timri> SeicherlBoB: OMG that's not normal.
[15:13] <SeicherlBoB> yep
[15:13] <timri> juacom99:  What printer is that ?
[15:15] <timri> SeicherlBoB: A ../ to many perhaps? Grasping at straws now...
[15:15] <SeicherlBoB> timri: i have a /.kde  a /.rnd and a /.qt
[15:15] <timri> SeicherlBoB: I'am almost expecting /.DCOP* stuff...
[15:16] <timri> SeicherlBoB:  We are moving rapidly into FUBAR territory
[15:16] <SeicherlBoB> yep... it says "could not read network connection list. //DCOPserver_xxxx"
[15:17] <timri> SeicherlBoB: Not since the day I did sudo checkinstall did I see something like this.
[15:17] <SeicherlBoB> timri: sorry, its "//.DCOPserverxxx
[15:18] <timri> SeicherlBoB: Or was it sudo fakeroot checkinstall, yep it was :)
[15:18] <SeicherlBoB> i didnt checkinstall... or fakeroot
[15:18] <timri> SeicherlBoB: Yeah, I understood, it could not possibly have been the former
[15:18] <SeicherlBoB> ^
[15:18] <timri> SeicherlBoB: Well, that is, unless your scripts are using a weird UNC path variant :)
[15:19] <SeicherlBoB> timri: they worked all fine with feisty
[15:20] <Downix> I might be doing an office-wide Kubuntu rollout.....
[15:20] <Downix> the editorial department is liking my Kubuntu desktop and server setup
[15:20] <SeicherlBoB> timri: any ideas how to fix that?
[15:20] <timri> SeicherlBoB: The fact that you don't see a /.DCOP* , yet the scripts are obviously creating other stuff in / does not make sense to me
[15:21] <WaltzingAlong> badabing
[15:21] <WaltzingAlong> !info kile
[15:21] <ubotu> kile: KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.9.3-4 (gutsy), package size 1845 kB, installed size 6940 kB
[15:21] <timri> SeicherlBoB: Have\nt got a clue. It's one of those "should not be possible in the first place" things :(
[15:21] <SeicherlBoB> timri: hehe... right
[15:21] <Downix> Has anyone experience in setting up a secured NFS for Kubuntu?
[15:23] <WaltzingAlong> !nfs
[15:23] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[15:23] <timri> Downix: SeicherlBoB: Honestly I wasnt even aware you could use dcop from root (as it has no running KDE instance to get to)
[15:24] <SeicherlBoB> timri: i googled and found getXconsole to reach the running Xserver and to show kdialog (or similar)...
[15:24] <SeicherlBoB> timri: my C-programs with a gtk-GUI are working fine! only the kde-stuff is broken
[15:24] <timri> SeicherlBoB: Blasphemy!
[15:24] <SeicherlBoB> timri:  ??
[15:25] <timri> SeicherlBoB: You saying gtk in #kubuntu :)
[15:26] <SeicherlBoB> timri: sorry, it was easier to code... should i try qt ? ;)
[15:26] <timri> SeicherlBoB: Hehe, whatever works for you. Me, I was just today trying wxPython (uses gtk as well)
[15:26] <timri> SeicherlBoB: But it kinda blew up in my face.
[15:26] <dak> hey with adept manager how can you have it show "suggeted" packages to be installed like commandline apt ?
[15:27] <SeicherlBoB> hehe... timri, anyway. should i try to delete the /,kde /.qt and /.rnd ?
[15:28] <WaltzingAlong> dak: view the details of the package in adept manager
[15:28] <dak> i do and it dont show suggested
[15:28] <timri> SeicherlBoB: Well, you'd better mv them instead of rm... but anyway: I havent got a clue as to what happened in the first place, so anything I say is pure guesswork
[15:28] <dak> ah ok
[15:28] <dak> im used to command line
[15:28] <dak> thanks
[15:30] <SeicherlBoB> timri: ok. thanks mate!! my battery is running low. i gotta go! bye
[15:30] <dak> anyone switch to debian from ubuntu by just changing your sources.list ?
[15:30] <timri> SeicherlBoB: good luck
[15:30] <SeicherlBoB> thanks. bye
[15:31] <BluesKaj> dak, never heard of it , doubt very much that it will work... lotsa similarities but lotsa diffs too
[15:32] <BluesKaj> !debian
[15:32] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[15:34] <surgy> !dvd
[15:34] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[15:36] <timri> Using anything with wxPython I get "TypeError: wx.Window, wx.Sizer, wx.Size, or (w,h) expected for item". Has anyone got a clue as how to remedy this?
[15:41] <CrazyPoultry> Since installing 7.10 i keep getting an error when trying to close Dolphin   "Unable to save bookmarks in /home/drew/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml" , the error message says "most likley cause by a full HDD" but there is atleast 40gig free on this HDD, if anyone has any ideas on what is causing this help would be greatly appreciated
[15:41] <Tm_T> CrazyPoultry: owner of this file is...
[15:41] <timri> CrazyPoultry: what gives ls -l /home/drew/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml
[15:41] <Tm_T> CrazyPoultry: do in konsole: ls -lh /home/drew/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml
[15:42] <Tm_T> timri: you?
[15:42] <timri> Great minds think alike
[15:42] <Tm_T> yup
[15:43] <CrazyPoultry> No such fiile or directory (now i'm confused), sorry still new to linux in general
[15:43] <leras> i have many problems
[15:44] <Tm_T> CrazyPoultry: then ls -lh /home/drew/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/
[15:44] <timri> leras: Then you have come to the right place :)
[15:44] <leras> i need help
[15:44] <leras> with kubuntu
[15:44] <timri> leras: What do you want to know?
[15:44] <Tm_T> leras: we can't help if you don't tell us what is the problem
[15:45]  * timri does a sudo aptitude install guidance-paranormal
[15:45] <dragonath> how do I mount a directory filled with files that make up a dvd movie so I can watch it as a dvd using some media player?
[15:45] <leras> question 1 i have made a conection with a  usb crypto modem and when i sudo pon
[15:45] <timri> dragonath: No need if you are using smplayer, just open the folder
[15:45] <dragonath> ah ok thanks
[15:46] <CrazyPoultry> Tm_T: "-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2K 2007-10-22 08:23 /home/drew/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml", was the result of the first one, sorry i missed the . in the kde dir
[15:46] <leras> i have internet but the web browser cant connect
[15:46] <leras> konqueror
[15:46] <Tm_T> CrazyPoultry: there, its not owned by you
[15:46] <Tm_T> CrazyPoultry: used sudo with d3lphin?
[15:46] <timri> CrazyPoultry: Never EVER run 1) run KDE as root 2) run gui apps using sudo
[15:47] <CrazyPoultry> that i remember i haven't but it is possible
[15:47] <Tm_T> timri: umm, do I help or do you? :)
[15:47] <timri> Tm_T: Please, be my guest :)
[15:48] <Tm_T> timri: well I will be soon busy elsewhere so if you have time... ;)
[15:48] <pag> leras, does " ping google.com " work?
[15:48] <timri> Tm_T: I'll be leaving in 12 minutes.... :)
[15:48] <Tm_T> timri: roger
[15:48] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: "sudo chown drew:drew /home/drew/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml"
[15:48] <Tm_T> jpatrick: oh boy
[15:49] <timri> :)
[15:49] <jpatrick> Tm_T: that's what I do :/
[15:49]  * Daisuke_Laptop kicks the kde svn
[15:49] <leras> where can i write that (pink
[15:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> leras: like that?
[15:49] <pag> leras, alt+f2 -> konsole -> the command given above
[15:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> ahh...
[15:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> yes, back to trying to get a working desktop with kde4svn
[15:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> it hangs on (i think) restoring a session
[15:50] <CrazyPoultry> jpatrick: done, was it that simple?
[15:50] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: yep
[15:50] <leras> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=247 time=176 m                                  s
[15:50] <leras> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=2 ttl=247 time=179 m                                  s
[15:50] <jpatrick> (hopefully)
[15:50] <leras> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=3 ttl=247 time=179 m                                  s
[15:50] <timri> Daisuke_Laptop: If so, you could choose to not let it restore a session, and always use a new one
[15:51] <leras> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=4 ttl=247 time=181 m                                  s
[15:51] <pag> leras, no need to paste here..
[15:51] <leras> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=5 ttl=247 time=179 m                                  s
[15:51] <leras> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=6 ttl=247 time=180 m                                  s
[15:51] <jpatrick> !paste > leras
[15:51] <leras> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=7 ttl=247 time=181 m                                  s
[15:51] <leras> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=8 ttl=247 time=177 ms
[15:51] <CrazyPoultry> thanks for the help guys
[15:51] <leras> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=9 ttl=247 time=179 ms
[15:51] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: don't mention it
[15:51] <leras> 64 bytes from eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99): icmp_seq=10 ttl=247 time=181 ms
[15:52] <timri> Poor soul, probably had no idea how to stop it.
[15:52] <jpatrick> he'll be back
[15:52] <Daisuke_Laptop> http://pastebin.ca/773474 < anyone have any ideas?  console output from kde4
[15:53] <timri> Daisuke: #kde4 ?
[15:53] <timri> Daisuke_Laptop: : #kde4 ?
[15:53] <pag> leras, hi again :)
[15:53] <leras> sorry for the pastge
[15:53] <leras> sorry for the paste
[15:53] <pag> leras, did you use knetworkmanager to setup your network?
[15:53] <leras> no
[15:54] <leras> because
[15:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> no not #kde4
[15:54] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: for future always use "kdesudo appname" if you _desperately_ need to run a kde app with sudo
[15:54] <pag> leras, oh. in that case try disabling it, restarting konqueror and seeing if it'll work then
[15:54] <leras> the usb modem cannot be found and i followed a tutorial
[15:54] <timri> Daisuke_Laptop: Then what's up with the .kde4s/ :)
[15:55] <CrazyPoultry> jpatrick: does that include the updater?
[15:55] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: yes
[15:56] <leras> network manager doesnot open
[15:56] <CrazyPoultry> jpatrick: ok ty, just started using linux about 2 months ago still trying to figure out what im doing
[15:57] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: fear not, we all have to start from someplace one day or another
[15:57] <pag> leras, alt+f2 -> killall knetworkmanager
[15:58] <leras> ok i have done it
[15:58] <pag> leras, now restart the konq. and see, if it works, please :)
[15:58] <leras> whow restart
[15:59] <leras> i open and close it
[15:59] <leras> and nothing happens
[15:59] <leras> i tested 3 times
[15:59] <leras> nothing
[15:59] <pag> leras, pages still don't load?
[15:59] <CrazyPoultry> one other question, could someone point to to a place to look to figure out how to change the color scheme for the actual windows(i really like the black and kinda transparent setup of a certain other os) and would like to have that in kde, i've tried to find it but haen't found anything that is easily undertandable
[15:59] <leras> yes
[16:00] <pag> leras, hmm... ok; see, if proxy-settings are correct in konqueror
[16:01] <leras> ok but i have no proxy
[16:02] <timri> CrazyPoultry: you might want to search for "kde window decorations" you'll also find quite a few already installed
[16:02] <CrazyPoultry> timri: ty, wasn't exactly sure what they were called
[16:02] <pag> leras, hmm... strnage... open Konsole and type in " ps aux | grep knet " is there anything refering to knetworkmanager?
[16:03] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: www.kde-look.org for all the cool themes!
[16:03] <timri> CrazyPoultry: I dont know about SystemSettings, but in kcontrol there's a whole list of them including a (bad) windows 95 theme ugh!
[16:04] <leras> ok
[16:05] <leras> no i think
[16:05] <CrazyPoultry> jpatick: ty for the site, looks like i'm not gonna get much done here at work today :)
[16:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> timri: while i am working with the kde4 svn, #kde4 is not going to help me
[16:06] <timri> Daisuke_Laptop: Ah, ok.
[16:06] <pag> leras, hmm... I don't know what might be wrong then. sorry.
[16:06] <leras> ok
[16:06]  * timri has to go (well, h
[16:06] <leras> i ll go back to gnome
[16:06]  * timri had to go 5 mins ago :)
[16:07] <timri> bye all
[16:07] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: hmm, now you know what I'm like most of the time, err..
[16:08] <leras> problem 2 adebt manager crash
[16:08] <leras> its freezing becouse of a brocke package
[16:08] <CrazyPoultry> ok now i just feel like i'm being a pain, tried to ./configure one of the themes and get this as the next to last line in the term   "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check", i've seen this before when trrying to ./configure something
[16:09] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: which theme is it?
[16:09] <CrazyPoultry> WhitelineKwin-0.1
[16:10] <hydrogen> you ar eprobably msising a few -devel packages
[16:10] <hydrogen> or build-essential stuff
[16:10] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: install libqt3-mt-dev and kdelibs4-dev for compiling kde stuff
[16:11] <kocka> Je tu nejaky slovak alebo cech
[16:11] <jpatrick> !sk
[16:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:13] <WaltzingAlong> !info wengophone
[16:13] <ubotu> wengophone: SIP-based software telephone with video and chat features. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.1.dfsg0-4ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 6931 kB, installed size 18980 kB
[16:13] <kocka> so I am a biginer with linux if I download program archived in .gz how can I install it???
[16:14] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: 2 more things 1) do ./configure --prefix=/usr to install to the right place 2) I'll package that theme
[16:14] <jpatrick> kocka: read the INSTALL file inside it to know how to do it
[16:16] <kocka> ok thanks
[16:16] <kocka> I test it
[16:16] <kocka> byebye
[16:20] <CrazyPoultry> jpatirck: ok got it now, again ty for the help
[16:21] <sascha_> short question: the wine file-explorer is empty: http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fileexplorertx3.png . ideas?
[16:22] <jpatrick> CrazyPoultry: if you're using konversation you can hit tab to complete nicknames automagically
[16:23] <kristina> hi, I'm a beginner programmer and I would like a program for linux that allows you to set break points and check the variable status, is there such thing?
[16:23] <CrazyPoultry> using kopete, havee't tried konversation yet, just seemed easier as i need to have my msn and aim on all day for work
[16:23] <RurouniJones> kristina: which language?
[16:24] <kristina> RurouniJones: c
[16:24] <RurouniJones> Most of the big integrated development environments support breakpoints, variable inspection and step-through. Are you using an IDE at the moment or editing files in a normal editor?
[16:25] <JohnsonWE> hi - just tried the dist update from feisty to gutsy via adept updater - fetched all ok, but failed during install!!!!  Stuck on step "preparing to configure libice6!  Any idea how to get past this?
[16:26] <carwash^> sudo apt-get -f install
[16:26] <WaltzingAlong> !info gdb
[16:26] <ubotu> gdb: The GNU Debugger. In component main, is optional. Version 6.6.dfsg-1ubuntu7 (gutsy), package size 2458 kB, installed size 5340 kB
[16:26] <jmichaelx> that freakin gui updater always fails on dist-upgrade. no idea why they continue to tell people to use that method
[16:26] <carwash^> tends to work
[16:26] <kristina> RurouniJones: for now I've always used just a text editor
[16:26] <WaltzingAlong> jmichaelx: not for everyone
[16:27] <JohnsonWE> Can I just cancel the gui then and run the sudo apt-get -f install at this point?
[16:27] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE:it could be done;
[16:27] <mpl> hi
[16:27] <RurouniJones> kristina: I am not 100% familiar with it (been aages since I did c) but you could use GDB from the commandline
[16:28] <jmichaelx> WaltzingAlong, it has never failed to fail for me, and that is since breezy and on 3 machines
[16:28] <mpl> can someone help me i got only "hal-storage-fixed-mount refused uid 1000" when im trying to open my windows partition
[16:28] <WaltzingAlong> !info kdevelop | kristina
[16:28] <ubotu> kristina: kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu2.1 (gutsy), package size 8840 kB, installed size 26992 kB
[16:28] <WaltzingAlong> mpl: uncheck 'mount as user'
[16:29] <mpl> how?
[16:29] <mpl> sudo mount /dev...............
[16:29] <mpl> ?
[16:29] <WaltzingAlong> kmenu/system settings/advanced/disks and filesystems
[16:29] <mpl> ok
[16:29] <jpatrick> jmichaelx: it worked prefectly for me
[16:30] <jmichaelx> JohnFlux, yes, you can try that...  you might even have to run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[16:30] <JohnFlux> meow
[16:30] <kristina> RurouniJones, WaltzingAlong will look into those, tnx
[16:31] <jmichaelx> jpatrick, i won't try to say that it does not work sometimes for some people, but its success rate is too low for it to be recommended, but that is just my opinion
[16:32] <jmichaelx> i was hoping that with the updates that came down today some issues i have been having on my laptop would be corrected, but they weren't
[16:33] <jmichaelx> JohnsonWE, have you been able to get your upgrade going again?
[16:33] <mpl> WaltzingAlong: http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5241/bildschirmphoto1qy9.png
[16:33] <JohnsonWE> trying now - just ran sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:33] <JohnsonWE> now running sudo apt-get -f install
[16:33] <jmichaelx> ok
[16:34] <WaltzingAlong> mpl: or right mouse click on the device icon in konqueror media:/  and then mounting tab
[16:34] <JohnsonWE> Doesn't look like that last step really did anything (man says it just fixes a broken install).  How do I kick off the full upgrade again?  Should I just try the adept route again?
[16:34] <jmichaelx> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[16:34] <JohnsonWE> cat /etc/issue still shows Ubuntu 7.04
[16:35] <WaltzingAlong> appears that 'for example' was not translated huh ;)
[16:35] <jmichaelx> your upgrade is probably far from complete
[16:35] <JohnsonWE> OK - trying that now.
[16:35] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE: then after those two, sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[16:35] <altctrl> hello gurus i got a question
[16:36] <mpl> WaltzingAlong: http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7885/bildschirmphoto2xm3.png
[16:36] <JohnsonWE> OK - We're running again!  Thanks all!
[16:36] <jmichaelx> rock and roll
[16:37] <altctrl> i have my wifi router set to wap. Now every time I connect i have to type the password for it twice once for the connection then for the wallet
[16:37] <WaltzingAlong> mpl: uncheck 'mount as user'
[16:37] <jmichaelx> you may have to do sudo aptitude dist-upgrade again after it runs through this time...
[16:37] <mpl> have
[16:37] <WaltzingAlong> mpl: in http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7885/bildschirmphoto2xm3.png it shows as checked
[16:38] <altctrl> how can i just connect automatically when i start the computer?
[16:38] <mpl> now is unchecked
[16:38] <altctrl> anyone any idea?
[16:38] <WaltzingAlong> altctrl: then you need it in the /etc/network/interfaces not in knetworkmanager/kwallet
[16:38] <mpl> but now working restart needed?
[16:38] <WaltzingAlong> mpl: or try to mount it
[16:39] <jmichaelx> wireless took a step backwards (for me, at least) in gutsy. i need to take the time soon to blacklist the driver for my wireless card, and compile it myself
[16:39] <altctrl> what am i supposed to do exactly?
[16:40] <mpl> ok
[16:40] <mpl> sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /data
[16:40] <mpl> working
[16:40] <mpl> but on restart must i again mount?
[16:40] <jhutchins> altctrl: If you find a howto on ndiswrapper, it will explain how to run the utilities that set it up; it will then be added as a module to your startup.
[16:41] <WaltzingAlong> mpl: if you want it automatically mounted set that in /etc/fstab or through the gui in kmenu/system settings/advanced/disks and filesystems
[16:41] <altctrl> ok let me search then
[16:41] <mpl> kk thx
[16:41] <WaltzingAlong> altctrl: either manually enter the data in /etc/network/interfaces or use another program to set it
[16:43] <jhutchins> altctrl: ubuntu has good docs on it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[16:44] <altctrl> there i snot much about it in interfaces everything inet dhcp
[16:44] <jhutchins> iwconfig/iwlist
[16:45] <jmichaelx> altctrl, under the section for your interface, you need to have a line like 'wireless-key <you wpa key>'.... that may not be exact, does anyone know what he needs to add there?
[16:45] <jhutchins> altctrl: Get the modules loaded, get it associated with an AP using iwconfig or one of the GUI tools, and at that point it's a regular network interface, run dhcp on it or configure manually with ifconfig.
[16:46] <jhutchins> jmichaelx: Depends on the wireless setup.
[16:46] <trappist> jmichaelx: it's wireless-key
[16:46] <trappist> might also want wireless-essid
[16:46] <WaltzingAlong> wlassistant or other programs may write that for you
[16:47] <altctrl> ok le tme see these
[16:47] <methods> anyone have edge screen event issues ?
[16:47] <jmichaelx> ok
[16:47] <jmichaelx> ty
[16:48] <altctrl> only thing inthe intrfaces that i see is
[16:48] <altctrl> auto wlan0
[16:48] <altctrl> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[16:49] <altctrl> nothing in this file about wpa key
[16:49] <WaltzingAlong> altctrl: you add it
[16:50] <WaltzingAlong> altctrl: or you would use wpa_supplicant
[16:50] <BluesKaj> !wpa
[16:50] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[16:52] <altctrl> what is wpa_supplicant?
[16:53] <WaltzingAlong> altctrl:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo/Kubuntu   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[16:53] <cloakable> altctrl: It's a program to let you join wireless networks encrypted with WPA
[16:56] <altctrl> i found something that either wants essid or wep if i write the password here will it help me?
[16:57] <WaltzingAlong> altctrl: you can manually set the needed data in /etc/network/interfaces; there are plenty of examples such as the ones BluesKaj and i provided
[16:58] <altctrl> yes they would be great if i can understand them
[16:58] <WaltzingAlong> altctrl: so which part are you getting stuck?
[16:58] <altctrl> is hter not a gui where i can jsut write the password in and be done with it?
[16:58] <WaltzingAlong> maybe wlassistant; maybe wifi-radar
[16:59] <WaltzingAlong> but any of them would write to /etc/network/interfaces
[16:59] <altctrl> that's good but i do not know what to write there
[16:59] <WaltzingAlong> yes and you have not even started
[16:59] <WaltzingAlong> so start with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[17:00] <altctrl> and it does conect to an open wifi everytime not to my wife network
[17:00] <altctrl> i am reading that
[17:00] <kocka> hello "Type `make' to compile the package." what I should do?? if this is in Install text
[17:01] <BluesKaj> kocka, "make" , then "make install" or "sudo make install"
[17:01] <kocka> how what I must do??
[17:02] <kocka> it is comand ?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> you have to cd to the foldername in the konsole
[17:02] <BluesKaj> cd nameofpkg
[17:02] <emilsedgh> kocka: compiling stuff is not for newbie, what program you want to install?
[17:02] <VertexOfLife> Anyone know when KDE4 is expected to be final release and how the Kwin-Compiz thing is supposed to be?
[17:02] <kocka> I want install pidgin
[17:03] <WaltzingAlong> aptitude install pidgin
[17:03] <BluesKaj> !KDE4 | VertexOfLife
[17:03] <ubotu> VertexOfLife: KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[17:03] <emilsedgh> VertexOfLife: december is planned
[17:03] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: adept is better for newcomers, isnt it?
[17:03] <WaltzingAlong> !info pidgin | kocka
[17:03] <ubotu> kocka: pidgin: graphical multi-protocol instant messaging client for X. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.2.1-1ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 589 kB, installed size 1720 kB
[17:04] <WaltzingAlong> kocka: sudo aptitude install pidgin should do it
[17:04] <VertexOfLife> December, huh? Thanks
[17:04] <BluesKaj> emilsedgh, i suppose, but if he ventures to compile there's always atime to get one's feet wet :)
[17:05] <kocka> aptitude install pidgin OK I did it and what It is done
[17:05] <WaltzingAlong> kocka: should have installed pidgin.
[17:05] <WaltzingAlong> kocka: could have done that through adept manager too
[17:05] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: i just mean its better to tell adept instead of CL programs?
[17:06] <kocka> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "pidgin
[17:06] <WaltzingAlong> kocka: which release ? feisty? gutsy?
[17:06] <kocka> it write this
[17:06] <altctrl> it looks like that i either have knetwork manager or kwlan that includes wpasupplicant?
[17:06] <WaltzingAlong> !info pidgin (feisty) | kocka
[17:06] <BluesKaj> emilsedgh, compiling is still amystery to me in some , why some don't generate a configure & make & make install is beyong my scope , but I keep trying anyway  :)
[17:06] <ubotu> kocka: Package pidgin does not exist in feisty
[17:06] <WaltzingAlong> !info gaim (feisty) | kocka
[17:06] <ubotu> kocka: gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta6-1ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 1700 kB, installed size 4808 kB
[17:06] <BluesKaj> beyong=beyond
[17:07] <altctrl> when i tick kwlan in adept it takes awayknetworkmanager
[17:07] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: well, i avoid non-standard programs as i can ;)
[17:07] <altctrl> is that safe to lose the existing one?
[17:08] <WaltzingAlong> !info wpa_gui  | altctrl
[17:08] <ubotu> altctrl: Package wpa_gui does not exist in gutsy
[17:08] <altctrl> i got the feisty one
[17:08] <WaltzingAlong> !info wpagui  | altctrl
[17:08] <ubotu> altctrl: wpagui: GUI for wpa_supplicant. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0+0.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 99 kB, installed size 224 kB
[17:08] <WaltzingAlong> !info wpagui (feisty) | altctrl
[17:08] <ubotu> altctrl: wpagui: GUI for wpa_supplicant. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.7-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 98 kB, installed size 224 kB
[17:08] <BluesKaj> emilsedgh, i wouldn't call them non-std , just adaptive apps that will run on kubuntu
[17:09] <emilsedgh> I always try packages BluesKaj, i think the only compiled in my machine is kde4, even if the package doesnt exists, i try to create the package
[17:13] <frederic> Hi all. Hi have a 20 inch and my optimal reso is 1680. When i set this reso, the image is too large... its weird, like expanded.
[17:13] <kocka> thank you
[17:14] <altctrl> the wpahowto you linked was not much help mine starts and ai can use the wpa key the probelm is that it doe snot connect automatically after i reboot
[17:14] <BluesKaj> kde4/svn install is difficult for me to understand . I have yet to see a clear explanation of what svsn really does and how it works. I think it assumes knowledge of the process that I don't have yet fails to clearly explain how
[17:15] <BluesKaj> the svn site doesn't help , emilsedgh
[17:17] <WaltzingAlong> altctrl: it needs to be saved in /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[17:20] <Sonjaaa> i'm bacbx
[17:20] <Sonjaaa> back
[17:22] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: you tried it?
[17:23] <altctrl> this is a little more complicatd than it should be, i do have a file called wpasupplicant in etc/network/if-down, post-down pre up and up directories
[17:23] <BluesKaj> well, emilsedgh yes and no ...dunno what the cmnds are to make svn install kde4 :)
[17:23] <altctrl> and a wpasupplicant directory with two files
[17:23] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: follow this: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[17:23] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: Step-By-Step
[17:24] <altctrl> fuctions.sh and ifupdonw.sh
[17:30] <VertexOfLife> How could I get a USB to work like a LiveCD?
[17:33] <Dr_willis> VertexOfLife,  clarify that a bit.
[17:34] <Repsa_Jih> I'm afraid that will not be possible with Kubuntu
[17:34] <Dr_willis> my usb things do work for me on the livecd.
[17:34]  * Dr_willis just joined - i may of missed part of this discussion. :)
[17:34] <VertexOfLife> Dr_willis, like a CD image only possible to boot into a live-cd via USB
[17:34] <Repsa_Jih> So boot from a USB disk?
[17:35] <Dr_willis> You want to boot a .iso image thats on a USB drive?
[17:35] <VertexOfLife> Dr_willis, or something similar. I don;t think an .iso would boot from USB but is there a file format that would boot from USB?
[17:36] <Dr_willis> VertexOfLife,  ive seen Slax have a feature where you can boot a .iso file from a USB drive. BUT you had to use their special usb-boot cd - it basicially saw the .iso from the initrd (i think) and mounted it then changed / over to the mounted file.
[17:37] <Dr_willis> its not doable withoug special work in the initred/kernel  I think.
[17:37] <Dr_willis>  There MAY be ways to do it. but ive not seen any
[17:37] <VertexOfLife> Dr_willis, cool, thank you. It was ust random curiosity =)
[17:37] <Dr_willis> Ive seen a USB gizmo that emulated a CDROM as well as a USB HD. :)
[17:37] <Dr_willis> but we never did figure out how to change the CD part of the gizmo
[17:38] <Dr_willis> You may be able to open the .iso and copy files over the the usbdevive and get it booting (with some work)
[17:38] <boguh> hi, when i press meta+tab that window-switcher doesnt appear anymore
[17:39] <VertexOfLife> Dr_willis, I know it's possible to install the actual OS on a flash drive,
[17:39] <Dr_willis> the DSL and SLAX and PuppyLinux sites have a lot of info on this.
[17:39] <Dr_willis> VertexOfLife,  yep. :) thats doable. I got a Little USB Device that boots PuppyLinux
[17:39] <Dr_willis> But just converting a  live cd to be on a USB drive. has some other problems. little things to watch out for.
[17:40] <VertexOfLife> Dr_willis, I need to get a PuppyLinux. I thik that will be my fun experience for today. I just push Kubuntu and Ubuntu and everything until it breaks and lean from it. Terminal is the hardest part to learn for me.
[17:40] <Dr_willis> Terminal is the easyiest part. :) its actually is rather concise. :)
[17:41] <Dr_willis> You just need to do reading/rembering/thinking.
[17:41] <Dr_willis> Windows trains you to not think.
[17:41] <Dr_willis> Look for that 'using bash' book by Oreialy (sp?) its a must read.
[17:42] <VertexOfLife> Dr_willis, thanks. It's also abailable for free online somewhere too, which is cool.
[17:42] <Dr_willis> Yea. Not sure how legal those free ones are. :)
[17:42] <Dr_willis> I tend to watch the bargin bin tables at the bookstores and pick up the older editions
[17:43] <Dr_willis> Then i give them away to friends.
[17:43] <Dr_willis> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/  - has some neat info on pendrives
[17:43] <VertexOfLife> Dr_willis, poor college student :(
[17:43] <osman47> can someone help me please
[17:43] <VertexOfLife> Thatsme
[17:43] <BluesKaj> emilsedgh, well i got as far as "cmakekde" in the install process , but then I got an error saying "cmakekde - command not found"
[17:43] <Dr_willis> VertexOfLife,  you actually may get some college discounts on the legal 'e-book' editions of the O'reialy stuff.
[17:43] <pag> !ask | osman47
[17:43] <ubotu> osman47: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[17:44] <VertexOfLife> Dr_willis, Really? I'll have to look into that. I am also definitely gettina a new Ubuntu Dell for really cheap. Thanks to my dad's connections
[17:44] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: you should copy the contents of the example .bashrc from techbase to your /home/kde-devel/.bashrc
[17:44] <Dr_willis> I have mixed feelings about DELL's stuff. :) In some ways its still better to build your own linux box.
[17:45] <VertexOfLife> Dr_willis, I can build desktops but not laptops
[17:45] <Dr_willis> But they do get better prices on some parts.. BUT then they have deals on identical stuff on the windows machines.. that they dont do with the linux box's
[17:45] <osman47> so i just start,im kubuntu user and im happy with it but i want somehing like icq so i installed ickle thats icq 4 linux,i installed it with Adept manager and i cant find it under start/applications/internet
[17:45] <Dr_willis> Watch the dell stuff very carefully. They had identical laptops (linux and windows) only the windows one had more ram/hd - for the SAME price...
[17:45] <pag> osman47, iirc Kopete handles icq just fine..
[17:45] <VertexOfLife> Dr_willis, Its 360 GB HDD with 2GB RAM and 2.0 Ghz Intel processor for 599$
[17:46] <Dr_willis> THEn they try to shove their warrenty/tech support down your throate. :)
[17:46] <Dr_willis> I want an Asus Eee :P
[17:46] <VertexOfLife> Dr_willis, My dad is friends with the regional Dell person
[17:46] <osman47> but i want to watch if someones in invisible mode someone told me that ickle was able to do that
[17:48] <jakil_> ndicgtk ne veu pas marché sou kubuntu
[17:48] <pag> osman47, well, the info for that package tells to install ickle-gnome (which doesn't excist afaik)
[17:49] <pag> osman47, you could try launching ickle via terminal..
[17:49] <osman47> sry i dont understand german that well
[17:49] <osman47> whats the command?
[17:49] <osman47> sry never did that before
[17:49] <osman47> i mean i dont understand englisch that well
[17:50] <pag> osman47, open konsole ( alt+f2 -> konsole ) and type: ickle
[17:51] <osman47> thank u very much my friend
[17:51] <pag> osman47, and, in case you're intrested: german channel is #kubuntu-de
[17:51] <osman47> thanks 4 all ure help
[17:51] <pag> no problem at all :)
[17:54] <sercik> Hi
[17:54] <pag> hey sercik :)
[17:54] <sercik> i'm using compiz in kubuntu
[17:54]  * Dr_willis hides
[17:54] <sercik> because i like compiz but i prefer kde on gnome
[17:54] <sercik> hi pag
[17:54]  * Dr_willis does admit - he only has a few issues with kde/compiz. :)
[17:55] <sercik> but emerald is slow so i prefer to use gtk-windows-decorator
[17:55] <sercik> someone knows how can i change window decorations?
[17:55] <timri> Dr_willis: Or one whopping big one perhaps ? :)
[17:55] <VertexOfLife> sercik, I do the same thing, but KDE4 will have a compiz thing by default
[17:56] <sercik> i have already hearded
[17:56] <Dr_willis> timri,  major issue i got is 'vncserver' for some reason not getting text input in its 'password' field.
[17:56] <VertexOfLife> sercik, The biggest annoyance in Compiz/KDE is window-decorator
[17:56] <sercik> it is possible to install kde 4 on kubuntu?
[17:56] <VertexOfLife> It's a bit buggy
[17:56] <VertexOfLife> Yeah
[17:56] <sercik> yes
[17:56] <Dr_willis> sercik,  you can change from using emerald to using a kde window decoration, or even the gtk decoration
[17:57] <Dr_willis> I leared that from the compiz homepage/wiki the other day
[17:57] <Dr_willis> :)
[17:57] <sercik> but using gtk-window-decorator --replace it works fine
[17:57] <VertexOfLife> Go to Adept and install the pacakages. They are still in testing though
[17:57] <Dr_willis> Theres a kde-window-decorator also
[17:57] <Dr_willis> !find window-decor
[17:57] <sercik> Dr_willis: thanks for the info
[17:57] <Dr_willis> Id never noticed it till i read the wiki :)
[17:57] <sercik> so i can use my kde themes---
[17:57] <ubotu> Package/file window-decor does not exist in gutsy
[17:57] <Dr_willis> !find decorator
[17:57] <sercik> i will try that
[17:57] <ubotu> Found: python-decorator
[17:58] <sercik> but do you know how can i change gtk themes under kde?
[17:58] <Dr_willis> I dident find the emerald stuff that slow at all. :) but i do have an 8800 video card
[17:58] <timri> Dr_willis: Try clicking left and right mouse button at the same time (in the password field)
[17:58] <Dr_willis> sercik,   theres a add on thing that  syncs the gtk/kde themes
[17:58] <sercik> i think that gtk-window-decorator works better than kde-window-ororatdec
[17:59] <sercik> Dr_willis: could you explain me a little simpler?
[17:59] <mohamed__> hii
[18:00] <timri> mohamed__: hi
[18:00] <Dr_willis> Theres a add on for kde that makes gtk apps use the kde themes - not sure if it is installed by default these dyas or not.
[18:00] <timri> Dr_willis: it is
[18:00] <Dr_willis> or even what its called.
[18:01] <sercik> ok dr willis
[18:01] <apparle> how to install helix or rel player
[18:01] <sercik> but you are talking about another thing
[18:01] <sercik> this is not i have asked for
[18:01] <ubuntu> k
[18:01] <sercik> i want to use gtk decorator under kde
[18:01] <sercik> but i don't know hot to change decorations
[18:02] <timri> Dr_willis: Regarding your password field problem, have you tried clicking left and right mouse button at the same time? It's a known problem and already fixed in compiz svn btw.
[18:02] <Dr_willis> run the gnome control panel applet thing. :)
[18:02] <Dr_willis> timri,  i will try that next time.
[18:02] <sercik> uhm! i try
[18:02] <Dr_willis> I dont bend over backwards for compiz any more. :) i just disable it.
[18:03] <Dr_willis> Im over my wiggly-windows-addiction
[18:03] <sercik> someone have an acer 5920??
[18:03] <apparle> how to install real or helix player
[18:04] <sercik> apparle: try to run apt-get install realplayer
[18:04] <Dr_willis> apparle,  i see people asking that quite often.
[18:04] <Dr_willis> !find realplayer
[18:04] <Dr_willis> !realplayer
[18:04] <ubotu> Package/file realplayer does not exist in gutsy
[18:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[18:05] <timri> ubotu is gettin old :)
[18:05] <Dr_willis> Realplayer is getting OLD...
[18:05] <Dr_willis> :P
[18:05] <ikki_> "P
[18:05] <ikki_> :P
[18:05] <VertexOfLife> lol
[18:05] <apparle> Dr_willis: how to play .rm,vb then
[18:06] <sercik> how can i manage touchpad in kubuntu?
[18:06] <Dr_willis> apparle,  i cant rember the last time i ever had to play a .rm or vb file to be honest with ya.
[18:06] <ikkildp> hello
[18:08]  * timri thinks Gutsy handles disk IO a lot smoother than Dapper (backing up and IRC at the same time is now actually doable)
[18:08] <_Shade_> will hardy shipped with kde4 as a standard DE?
[18:08] <timri> _Shade_: no, 3.5 series
[18:09] <coreymon77> why wouldnt it be
[18:09] <coreymon77> kde4 will be out for plenty of time before hardy
[18:09] <timri> coreymon77: Hardy is an LTS, you dont want something as "fresh" as KDE4 in it ?
[18:09] <_Shade_> coreymon77: i wouldn't bet though
[18:10] <hydrogen> coreymon77: because kde4.0 workspace is going to be an eyesore
[18:10] <hydrogen> it will have parts of kde4 in it, but the desktop will be kde3.5
[18:10] <timri> Like atm with dolphin
[18:11] <boguh> hydrogen why eysore?
[18:11] <_Shade_> hydrogen: you mean hardy will have some kind of "kde4 backports" in it?
[18:11] <hydrogen> _Shade_: I mean that whiel some apps from kde4 will be availible in hardy, it will still use kde3 by default
[18:11] <hydrogen> boguh: because plasma is woefully behind
[18:11] <hydrogen> anyways
[18:11] <hydrogen> I have class
[18:12] <timri> _Shade_: At the moment, plans are to at least include oxygen
[18:12] <vbgunz> kded is always dying... I am always killing it... it's always freezing up the box, always. anybody know why it's always freezing up?
[18:12] <hydrogen> timri: I sure hope not.
[18:12] <hydrogen> timri: and that doesn't even make sense
[18:12] <hydrogen> to just include oxygen
[18:13] <_Shade_> timri: but you'll have the possibility to install it?
[18:13] <hydrogen> but oxygen is almost as much of an eyesore as plasma is imo :\
[18:13] <coreymon77> lde4 is due for mid december
[18:13] <boguh> i installed kde4 this week and was suprised how unfinished it is
[18:13] <coreymon77> when is hardy coming out?
[18:13] <sercik> Hi Admiral_Chicago_
[18:13] <coreymon77> boguh: its still beta!
[18:13] <hydrogen> kde4.0 is due out in december
[18:13] <VertexOfLife> Actually, it's December 11th in a month
[18:13] <sercik> are you there??
[18:13] <hydrogen> kde4.0 is not going to be complete though
[18:14] <coreymon77> boguh: of course its not gonna be complete
[18:14] <vbgunz> kde mediamanager is not running... I swear there really is no surprise there :(
[18:14] <timri> hydrogen: As far as I understand (I am not affiliated with kubuntu, just repeating what I heard from them) you have the possibility to  UNinstall it. :)
[18:14] <hydrogen> timri: I don't understand why it would be installed by default.
[18:14] <hydrogen> I don't even think it woudl work
[18:14] <hydrogen> as its a kde4 style
[18:14] <hydrogen> not a kde3 one
[18:14] <coreymon77> my guess is that for hady there will atleast be pinary apt packages that you will be able to use to install kde4 and they will be supported
[18:15] <timri> hydrogen: It's just a theme. Look at how upset the the oxygen team got when someone "ported" part of it to gnome.
[18:15] <sercik> i have a problem with lume wheel in my laptop
[18:15] <boguh> an i thought i could have a kde4 desktop in december for christmas...
[18:15] <coreymon77> boguh: you will be able to
[18:16] <sercik> volume wheel.. someone can help me?
[18:16] <coreymon77> boguh: it will be stable by then
[18:16] <boguh> right now its slow
[18:16] <VertexOfLife> boguh: you can, KDE4 is out Dec. 11th
[18:16] <boguh> and these plasmaoid are not working correctly
[18:16] <timri> coreymon77: "Supported" for how long? Dapper got as far as 3.5.5 and those were officially unsupported
[18:17] <_Shade_> HUH? stable in december??? well looking at it's current state i dare to doubt
[18:17] <VertexOfLife> boguh: This is because you are running a beta
[18:17] <coreymon77> timri: kde4 is a huge release though
[18:17] <boguh> VertexOfLife i knwo its a beta, but its ony 4 weeks
[18:17]  * timri thinks it is better to continue this in #kubuntu-offtopic
[18:18] <VertexOfLife> boguh: True. I haven't played with it a lot yet, but we will see.
[18:18] <boguh> VertexOfLife hope you are right
[18:19] <_Shade_> i don't believe it would be stable till then...
[18:19] <VertexOfLife> _Shade_ definitely not
[18:19] <coreymon77> _Shade_: not fully stable, nothing is completely stable in its first stable release
[18:19] <giuseppe2> ciao a tutti
[18:19] <_Shade_> it's not even USABLE, how can we expect it will be stable
[18:20] <coreymon77> _Shade_: but stable enough to be usable
[18:20] <boguh> will there be a fourth beta?
[18:20] <coreymon77> _Shade_: it will be fine
[18:20] <VertexOfLife> _Shade_ It's definiely usable on my end, I just haven't tried out plasma yet.
[18:20] <timri> giuseppe2: hi
[18:21] <coreymon77> _Shade_: and havent you relealized that when a linux rlated thing says beta, it means BETA
[18:21] <_Shade_> coreymon77: well i really hope so but there are many buts... i have just built it yesterday and... welll...
[18:21] <giuseppe2> e laprima volta
[18:21] <timri> !it
[18:21] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:22] <sercik> giuseppe ciao
[18:22] <sercik> qui parlano in inglese
[18:23] <VertexOfLife> I can read italian but not speak it.
[18:23]  * Dr_willis can eat Italian. but it gives me heartburn.
[18:23] <Dr_willis> :)
[18:23] <VertexOfLife> Hahaha
[18:23] <jpatrick> _Shade_: well if it was prefect, it'll be out by now
[18:24] <coreymon77> beta means unstable, beta means buggy, if you dont want to deal with that, dont use a beta!
[18:24] <_Shade_> coreymon77: i didn't expect the release to work as final one, but it's generally a LOTS to do yet... and the time's running
[18:24] <jpatrick> _Shade_: they know that :)
[18:24] <VertexOfLife> I have a really stupid question about Konverstation. Is there an easier way to get peoples names rather than typing them out when you're responding to them?
[18:24] <_Shade_> so i wouldn't be suprosed if it was delayed
[18:24] <coreymon77> anyways
[18:25] <coreymon77> i have to go
[18:25] <coreymon77> class time
[18:25] <timri> VertexOfLife: Tab
[18:25] <VertexOfLife> Tab?
[18:25] <VertexOfLife> Dosen't do anything for me
[18:26] <timri> VertexOfLife: Type part of the name, press the tab key and it will autocomplete for you, or present a list
[18:26] <VertexOfLife> timri:
[18:26] <VertexOfLife> Oh
[18:26] <VertexOfLife> Cool. Thanks
[18:27] <timri> VertexOfLife: Plus, if you use tab alone, it re-uses the last name you talked to  (found that out just now :) )
[18:27] <VertexOfLife> Yay we're all learning.
[18:28] <_Shade_> timri: lol i didn't know that one as well :)
[18:28] <_Shade_> timri:
[18:28] <_Shade_> works :)
[18:28] <timri> _Shade_: :)
[18:28] <boguh> _Shade_
[18:28] <boguh> hmmm, my irssi doenst do so :(
[18:28] <lg188> hello back
[18:28] <ardchoille> boguh: I noticed that too
[18:31] <ardchoille> boguh: That's ok, you can use irssi in screen and not lose your freenode connection when you log out and back in :)
[18:31] <_Shade_> ey guys i just want to say goodbye to my kubuntu installation... not for long time though :)
[18:31] <xiven> Hello
[18:31] <xiven> I need help
[18:31] <_Shade_> and i wonder one thing
[18:32] <xiven> I'm tryuing to install something in Konsole
[18:32] <ardchoille> xiven: With what?
[18:32] <ardchoille> xiven: What command are you using?
[18:32] <lg188> _Shade_oh taht poorly
[18:32] <_Shade_> will the installer detect my linux partition and perform a clean install using it?
[18:32] <xiven> but, i keep getting  page long list, of errors because the packages are installing alot of hte same stuff...and it wont allow over-write...WTF
[18:32] <xiven> "sudo apt-get -f install" right now
[18:33] <_Shade_> lg188: not quite... i just want to reinstall :)
[18:34] <lg188> _Shade_oh then  i said nothing ..:)
[18:35] <timri> xiven: Perhaps you could pastbin the errors ?
[18:35] <_Shade_> so could kubuntu installer use the same partition layout i am using now?
[18:35] <jakil_> i can acces to my disk ( hal-storage-fixed-monte refused uid 1000 )
[18:36] <WaltzingAlong> VertexOfLife: start typing the name, then tab; click on the name to send private message
[18:36] <paceyslack> salve a tutti
[18:36] <_Shade_> jakil_: i have the same problem...
[18:36] <boguh> _Shade_ yes
[18:37] <timri> jakil_: Page 4 and 5: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=d0df15d890ae368e5e512545170b889e&t=473511
[18:37] <lg188> WaltzingAlonghello
[18:37] <jakil_> tnx
[18:37] <timri> _Shade_: You can choose what you want mounted where right in the installer, yes. I use a seperate /home
[18:39] <timri> brb
[18:39] <lg188> _Shade_: WaltzingAlong ? is ofline ?
[18:40] <_Shade_> lg188: how could i know? :)
[18:41] <lg188> _Shade_: maybe see a leaving message ?
[18:41] <xiven> http://pastebin.com/m312b9eca
[18:41] <_Shade_> timri: the point is i have a dual boot box (kubuntu and xp) and they share one drive... previously i had both on a separate disks
[18:42] <xiven> Not sure why it needs pastebin'd..but ok
[18:42] <onur_> is kubuntu better than ubuntu?
[18:42] <_Shade_> lg188: whose leaving message?
[18:42] <lg188> any body Naruto knowledge ?
[18:42] <xiven> Kuibuntu is just a different Window Environment
[18:42] <onur_> yeah i know
[18:42] <timri> _Shade_: so ? that's not a problem at all. The laptop I'am on now has XP + kubuntu
[18:43] <onur_> but all the packages are interchangeable with ubuntu?
[18:43] <_Shade_> onur_: imho kubuntu is a bit behind the gnome version
[18:43] <lg188> _Shade_: no maybe ther was a leaving messaeg that i did not receive ?
[18:43] <onur_> _Shade_ : that i heard too
[18:44] <onur_> but the bundled applications are better: Amarok, Kopete etc
[18:44] <onur_> i am told
[18:44] <timri> _Shade_: XP on one partition, then seperate partitions for / /boot /home and swap
[18:44] <mnm1> onur_: Please try it! It is quite different.
[18:44] <lg188> any body Naruto knowledge ?
[18:44] <_Shade_> timri: well i just wanted the installer not to resize the windows partition and just use my existing linux layout.... but if you said it;s not a problem...
[18:44] <VertexOfLife> I prefer Kubuntu because Ubuntu+Compiz has some issues right now
[18:44] <xiven> I pastebin'd the errors...anyone got a solution?
[18:44] <onur_> some others say: Load Ubuntu and pick some applications only from KDE: Like Amarok
[18:45] <VertexOfLife> Kubuntu+Compiz is perfect for me
[18:45] <mnm1> onur_: Of course you can take whatever apps you want from either.
[18:45] <onur_> i am using Ubuntu 7.10 and happy with Compiz :)
[18:45] <timri> xiven: one second, was not at the computer while you posted them
[18:45] <VertexOfLife> Compiz breaks openoffice on mine
[18:45] <xiven> ok
[18:45] <VertexOfLife> Unless I remove openoffice-gnome
[18:45] <_Shade_> onur_: i share that opinion as well
[18:45] <onur_> ah i see... have you tried latest OpenOffice updates?
[18:46] <_Shade_> lg188: i'm sorry i did not get what you mean
[18:46] <onur_> _Shade_ : you share which one? Ubuntu plus some KDE?
[18:46] <mnm1> onur_: Some people don't like to mix them, but only if you are really low on memory is using both qt and GTK a concern.
[18:46] <VertexOfLife> onur_: Yeah
[18:46] <lg188> _Shade_: of ?
[18:46] <VertexOfLife> onur_: but I tried Kubuntu and got gradually more addicted to it
[18:47] <_Shade_> lg188: i dont get what you meant with the leaving message
[18:47] <onur_> well i apt-get installed kubuntu-desktop on Ubuntu 7.10 actually :)
[18:47] <onur_> now i have an interesting mix
[18:47]  * xiven waits
[18:48] <mnm1> onur_: I like KDE because it is more beutifully engineered; KParts, ioslaves, etc..  :-)
[18:48] <_Shade_> onur_: no i don't like installing kde over the gnome box since it makes some mess
[18:48] <timri> xiven: :) I'am back
[18:48] <onur_> i can say Kubuntu applications -some of them- are handy, on the other hand GNOME approach to GUIs is more likeable to me, since it is more minimalistic and cute
[18:48] <lg188> _Shade_: of just forget it , i see in the list he is not at the list so he is away
[18:48] <VertexOfLife> I also had to use Kubuntu on my Parents computer because Ubuntu HATED that monitor and wouldent fix with it
[18:48] <timri> xiven: You got some weird problem there. Strange apt-pinning ? Installed packages manually ? Added repos to sources.lst ?
[18:48] <VertexOfLife> Lubuntu worked perfectly
[18:48] <onur_> well.. yes it is a bit of a mess now :)
[18:49] <lg188> VertexOfLife: that sound wierd about that screen ..
[18:49] <onur_> but i can fix it by couple of arrangements
[18:49] <Tm_T> onur_: about "minimalistic and cute" http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[18:49] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Odd that ubuntu/kubuntu would differ..
[18:49] <xiven> I opened up more of the repo lines that were in the sources.list but had been commented out.
[18:49] <luigi> salve
[18:49] <luigi> io sono italiano
[18:50] <Tm_T> !it | luigi
[18:50] <timri> !it
[18:50] <ubotu> luigi: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[18:50] <luigi> ok e scusatemi sono nuovo
[18:50] <VertexOfLife> lg188: The Monitor/Display Settings in Kubuntu worked better to set the monitor, in Ubuntu they were incredibly fuzzy
[18:50] <pacman> I just installed a new internal HD...I'm assuming I need to mount it, since it shows up in the BIOS, but I don't see it in Kubuntu?
[18:50] <timri> xiven: pastebin your sources.lst please
[18:50] <Tm_T> timri: tsk tsk, so young, so slow ;(
[18:50] <_Shade_> onur_: i think ubuntu has better admin tools like synaptic, and the updater, but i preffer kde programs
[18:50] <timri> Tm_T: :) young me ? wha!
[18:51] <lg188> VertexOfLife: Ohh kk
[18:51] <VertexOfLife> lg188: It was a relatively Optiquest Q9. Other than that I got Ubuntu working but it was really buggy. Kept using up 100% of the processor when no programs were running.
[18:51] <onur_> Tm_t: is this KDE??
[18:51] <Dr_willis> pacman,  you normally partition the disk, then format the partitions, then mount the partitions
[18:51] <Tm_T> onur_: sure
[18:51] <icewaterman> how can i have kmail not remember what message it showed last time i checked that folder with an imap account?
[18:51] <timri> Tm_T: You even used | to pipe it correctly, man I feel bad :)
[18:51] <VertexOfLife> lg188: Finally, i tried Kubuntu and it worked perfectly
[18:51] <onur_> _Shade_: Yes i agree with you on that
[18:52] <lg188> VertexOfLife: heh KDE or Gnome looks like KDE owns
[18:52] <pacman> ooh, Dr_Willis....I've talked to you in the past....can you PM me?
[18:52] <lg188> or revers
[18:52] <Dr_willis> pacman,  i leave for work in 4 min.
[18:52] <_Shade_> i'd like adept to be improved... that's a pain in kubuntu... I wonder if there's something new in it?
[18:52] <Tm_T> onur_: _Shade_: just for bit of info, if you like to chat around, #kubuntu-offtopic is good place ;)
[18:52] <pacman> damn
[18:52] <Dr_willis> pacman,  use gparted to partition/format the disks. then research 'fstab' to make a proper fstab entry for the disk  and mount it where you want.
[18:53] <Dr_willis>  If you want a USER to access it. I normally make a directory on the disk and 'chown' it to be owned by the user i want to have access
[18:53] <_Shade_> Tm_T: but it's still (k)ubuntu relative :)
[18:53] <Dr_willis> pacman,  :) once ya learn the basics - this all takes about.. 5 min. :P
[18:53] <Tm_T> _Shade_: but not support ;)
[18:53] <pacman> I'm going to scrap the old HD, and run off the new one
[18:54] <Dr_willis> pacman,  why not use both. :) if ya got both installeed.
[18:54] <timri> xiven: *waiting* :P
[18:54] <xiven> http://pastebin.com/m13eda1dc
[18:54] <xiven> There is the sources.list
[18:54] <Dr_willis> MOVING a os from one HD to another.. is another issue totally
[18:54] <pacman> it's just 20 GB
[18:54] <pacman> really
[18:54] <onur_> Tm_T: Yes i am still not off-topic :D
[18:54] <Dr_willis> 20gb of extra space. Put your /tmp on it or swap, or just keep it for toying with other os'd
[18:54] <pacman> I still need to upgrade kubuntu, so I wasn't worried too much about losing 7.04
[18:54] <Tm_T> onur_: if you are randomly comparing stuff, it is ;)
[18:54] <juacom99> hi, does anyone knows a dreamweaber
[18:55] <juacom99> *dreamweaber like application
[18:55] <_Shade_> Tm_T: no? i thought i'm just keeping his faith on kubuntu :) isn't it a 'support' ? ;)
[18:55] <juacom99> for php coding??
[18:55] <Dr_willis> pacman,  it will do no good just sitting on the desk. :)  may as well use it.,
[18:55] <Tm_T> onur_: also, when here is support noise high, like now, not chatter at all thanks
[18:55] <pacman> true enough
[18:55] <Tm_T> _Shade_: pfft
[18:55] <Dr_willis> pacman,  if you are going to do a clean reinstall.. the installer will handle the formating/partioning
[18:55] <lg188> http://www.xlrecordings.com/videos/~voodoo/ any body has that bigg pixel things on the movieclip ?
[18:55] <onur_> _Shade_: well i am using Kubuntu and Ubuntu at the moment... have 2 Gigs memory ;(
[18:55] <onur_> oops ;)
[18:56] <timri> xiven: Hmmm.... looks pretty OK to me. Could be a problem in dapper-backports. I will investigate further in 10 minutes, if that's ok with you (have to check on a backup now).
[18:56] <pacman> I've got to get it detected first, though, right?
[18:56] <_Shade_> Tm_T: ok i'm sorry it was just a joke...
[18:56] <xiven> ok
[18:56] <juacom99> !php
[18:56] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[18:56] <onur_> Tm_T: Ok got it no worries ;)
[18:56] <pacman> or can I just unplug the old drive and install the CD and hope that it works?
[18:57] <juacom99> anyone know any dreamweaber like php editor??
[18:57] <Tm_T> onur_: _Shade_: also I like to see you there anyway so feel free to join ;)
[18:59] <_Shade_> Tm_T: thanks for your invitation :). I will use it gladly :)
[19:00] <Dr_willis> pacman,  if the bios sees it and 'sudo fdisk -l' shows it.. it is detected
[19:01] <pacman> okay...lemme see what happens
[19:05] <_Shade_> i have just bought 64 bit cpu and i am going to test it out... i only heard that there's less of software in the repos
[19:05] <xiven> How do you access CrossOver Office once you install it?
[19:06] <_Shade_> there should be an appropriate kmenu entry
[19:08] <timri> xiven: Iam back
[19:08] <Pollywog> is kubuntu pronounced "kooboontoo" or as "k ubuntu"?
[19:08] <timri> xiven: I still dont quite understand it, maybe it's time for kludge-mode :)
[19:08] <Pollywog> I don't want to look too foolish if I talk about it
[19:09] <timri> xiven: sudo aptitude clean; sudo aptitude update;sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[19:09] <bce95> nice
[19:10] <bce95> i can hear music now on my pc a lot of job to find how it works
[19:12] <timri> Pollywog: kooBOONtoo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubuntu
[19:12] <Pollywog> timri: ty that is what I thought, I seem to recall reading it somewhere
[19:13] <Pollywog> I don't want to even try to pronounce xubuntu
[19:13] <timri> Pollywog: Iirc there's a video with Nelson Mandela talking about Ubuntu
[19:13] <Pollywog> I have seen the Mandela video
[19:14] <BluesKaj> odd trying to install kde4 with svn ...have cmake installed , but when i get to "cmakekde" the command not found error pops up ,, very strange : http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#kdelibs
[19:14] <ubuntu> hello
[19:14] <xiven> hmm
[19:14] <xiven> I can't find the menu item
[19:15] <xiven> but I just installed the Deb package
[19:15] <timri> BluesKaj:
[19:15] <timri> If you get
[19:15] <timri>   cmakekde: command not found
[19:15] <timri> then you have to go manually into the kdesupport directory in ~ and execute the command cmakekde. if this still doesn't work, then something is wrong with your bashrc.
[19:15] <Pollywog> xiven sometimes I do not see new items until I log out and back in
[19:15] <petie> does anybody know what do I need to do to get compiz running properly on kubuntu 7.04
[19:15] <BluesKaj> xiven, type the app name in the konsole to launch it
[19:15] <petie> ?
[19:15]  * timri apologizes for flooding 
[19:16] <Pollywog> and if I still don't see them I use kmenuedit to add them
[19:16] <xiven> Wait, do I have to install the Individual Windows Program for CrossOver to have it?
[19:16] <timri> xiven: Ehhh... you installed a deb package from somewhere other than the repo?
[19:16] <xiven> Yeah I downloaded it
[19:16] <timri> xiven: That was like... the first thing I asked :)
[19:17] <Pollywog> timri: why would bashrc affect that?
[19:17] <timri> Pollywog: ?? sorry I think I lost the thread, pls ignore me
[19:17] <Pollywog> k
[19:18] <timri> BluesKaj: You got my copypasta about your kde4 pb ?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> timri, I just added cmakekde to kde support
[19:22] <timri> BluesKaj: And I copy-pasted it right back at you LOL
[19:22] <BluesKaj> timri, what copy and paste are you referring to?
[19:23] <timri> BluesKaj: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#kdelibs
[19:23] <BluesKaj> I find the page confuding , the edits are supposed to help ?
[19:24] <jokerre> sorry what is irc ubuntu ita
[19:24] <jokerre> ?
[19:25] <arcade> Hmf.  kubuntu 7.10 seems so less impressive than ubuntu 7.10 :(  First *ubuntu release I've preferred gnome in.  Heck, first time I've preferred that g-thing since 2001.
[19:26]  * arcade thinks the reason is that compiz was well integrated in ubuntu 7.10 while not in kubuntu. :-(
[19:26] <ikkildp> hello, people, needed urgent help. Trying to update this new kubuntu installation, but something is wrong with the adept.
[19:27] <hunter1986> how wrong
[19:28] <Pollywog> I also had problems with adept so I used apt-get
[19:28] <ikkildp> can't be sure. there is the update assistant, so I hit the get updates list, then get those, and it crashes.
[19:28] <Pollywog> when I upgraded feisty to gutsy
[19:29] <ikkildp> ...well... first, i had to enabled the universe & multiverse repositories... before that, nothing was found...
[19:29] <ikkildp> ...yeah, that's i'm trying to do, the whole update via adept.
[19:30] <ikkildp> let me try via apt-get...
[19:30] <BluesKaj> timri,  when I try the command : cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=$KDEDIR ..error> The source directory "/home/kaj" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
[19:31] <timri> BluesKaj: Dont look at me, I just copypasted it :)
[19:32] <BluesKaj> toomany little probs ...I'm giving it a rest , the instructions don't work AFAIC ...they aren't clear enuff for me to follow properly
[19:32] <sparr_w> ever since my upgrade to gutsy, i cannot print.  i get no indication of failure on my end, but the printer never gets the job.  i have tried re-"installing" the printer, and it is visible on the network, but the test page does not print.  help?
[19:34] <BluesKaj> sparr_w, have you tried running the print wizard in system settings since your upgrade ?
[19:34] <sparr_w> yes
[19:35] <sparr_w> i can find and set up the printer again
[19:35] <sparr_w> and everything looks good, until i try to print a test page
[19:35] <ikkildp> my bad. i'm helping a buddy to install this, but now i've realized: he just downloaded the dapper kubuntu, so the repositories where pointing to dapper's
[19:35] <BluesKaj> sparr_w, is the printer listed in "printers"
[19:37] <BluesKaj> sparr_w, one thing some ppl forget is to reset the driver after running the wizard , before the test page dialog pops up
[19:37] <sparr_w> BluesKaj: im using the generic PS driver
[19:38] <BluesKaj> sparr_w, what brand & model printer ?
[19:39] <Reaff> hello,.. i wanna know what should be in  the file /etc/apt/source.list mines empty'
[19:40] <acemo> how do i disable something from automatic starting by init.d?
[19:40] <The_Machine> Reaff, one sec
[19:40] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic | Reaff
[19:40] <trappist> acemo: sudo update-rc.d -f scriptname remove
[19:40] <Reaff> The_Machine:  okay :)'
[19:40] <ubotu> Reaff: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[19:41] <acemo> trappist: thanks
[19:41] <The_Machine> Reaff, http://www.nomorepasting.com/getpaste.php?pasteid=6637
[19:41] <The_Machine> that is mine
[19:41] <The_Machine> it has a couple of extras in it
[19:41] <The_Machine> like mediabuntu
[19:41] <The_Machine> might as well use the whole thing.
[19:41] <xiven> This is too fucking funny...way off topic though http://www.adequacy.org/stories/hacker.comments.page.1.html
[19:42] <Tm_T> !ohmy | xiven
[19:42] <ubotu> xiven: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[19:42] <Reaff> The_Machine: Thanks so much :)
[19:42] <Tm_T> xiven: also as you said, offtopic
[19:42] <The_Machine> interesing.  it doesnt' have the mediabuntu..
[19:42] <xiven> oops...
[19:44] <xiven> Here is the real article...its hilarious..God I hope no parents is really this lacking of intelligence...not even AI is this bad. http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html
[19:48] <longjohn> i have a dsl connection but no router. do i have to install my modem? if not, how can i find out which is the correct device in /dev/* ? thanks
[19:55] <BluesKaj> longjohn, hook up your DSL modem and reboot ..kubuntu may recognize it immediately...if not we'll try to help
[19:56] <sparr_w> BlueDevil: ricoh aficio 3045(?)
[19:58] <BluesKaj> sparr_w, is the driver listed when you enter the printername in the wizard?
[19:59] <sparr_w> BluesKaj: no.  similar drivers are, but i dont want them.  thats why i use the generic PS driver
[19:59] <[ka]killer> hi
[19:59] <longjohn> thanks BluesKaj ill try that one
[19:59] <juacom99> mm i think i scrud up my Kubuntu :(
[20:00] <Pollywog> juacom99: let me guess
[20:00] <Pollywog> apt-get asked to autoremove packages and you said yes?
[20:00] <juacom99> Pollywog: go ahead gess
[20:01] <[ifr0g]> juacom99, your come to the right place :)
[20:01] <juacom99> i don't know whar's happening
[20:01] <BluesKaj> autoremove is evil
[20:01] <Pollywog> why doesn't someone fix that autoremove deal?
[20:01] <juacom99> but the adept is not working :S
[20:01] <Pollywog> it got me twice before I figured out why my system would not reboot
[20:02] <juacom99> it trow me an error every tioem i try to install anithing :S
[20:02] <juacom99> but befor that
[20:03] <Pollywog> juacom99: as a last resort you could use apt-get
[20:03] <Pollywog> just don't reboot until you find the problem and fix it
[20:03] <juacom99> i get open the adept i got an error msg saing the database is been use
[20:03] <juacom99> demet i already did before coming in :S
[20:03] <bmk789> amarok is refusing to load and says "Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?"   is this common?
[20:04] <Pollywog> juacom99: okay then you were fortunate you were able to reboot
[20:04] <Pollywog> bmk789: I see that now and then
[20:04] <juacom99> i donw' know what's happening
[20:04] <BluesKaj> I think autoremove can be defeated (not sure mind you) by doing a database update everyday , especially if you are installing pkgs and compliling rather than using the repos ...also if you are editing files like xorg then autoremove will rest to default status ... correct me someone if I'm wrong and offbase here
[20:05] <ScorpKing> !aptfix > juacom99
[20:05] <bmk789> Pollywog: is there an easy fix? i tried removing the config directory
[20:05] <Pollywog> bmk789: it does this every time you use it?
[20:06] <Pollywog> I think autoremove can probably be turned off in apt's config
[20:06] <Pollywog> I will have to find out
[20:06] <Pollywog> I will do that now
[20:06]  * Pollywog goes to google
[20:07] <juacom99> thankss scorpion!!
[20:07] <BluesKaj> !database
[20:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about database - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:07] <juacom99> is working!!!!!
[20:07] <BluesKaj> update database : sudo updatedb
[20:08] <juacom99> ScorpKing: one queiestion, why haṕpend that (the db locking thing??) :S
[20:08] <shortjohn> BluesKaj i did a reset on the modem but sadly it diddnt work out. i need further help
[20:08] <shortjohn> please
[20:09] <BluesKaj> shortjohn, does the ethernet connection show in the panel ?
[20:09] <JiMMyJaKAzz> waazzaabbii?
[20:09] <ScorpKing> juacom99: it's fixed now? uhm. i think a program started to install and did not finish or had an error. not sure.
[20:09] <juacom99> yes thanksss
[20:10] <JiMMyJaKAzz> question... to download older versions of ubuntu... anyone know a link?
[20:10] <shortjohn> yes it does. the card is working btw
[20:10] <wilson_> getting error popup message ´
[20:10] <JiMMyJaKAzz> I find with 7.01 and older type hardware.. just do not gell.
[20:10] <juacom99> so if a installer fall it lock the DB :S
[20:10] <arcade> How do I switch from UTF8 to something sane, like ISO8859-1 ?
[20:10] <wilson_> getting sudo error message at startup...can anyone help?
[20:10] <shortjohn> i was able to connect to a friend over network once
[20:10] <juacom99> ScorpKing: so if a installer fall it lock the DB :S
[20:10] <BluesKaj> shortjohn, so eth0 is showing as connected ?
[20:10] <michael__> Hey! Does anyone know how to change KDM themes? I have the manager, but it dosent let me install new themes.
[20:11] <shortjohn> BluesKaj sir yes sir
[20:11] <ScorpKing> juacom99: yes, something like that. the DB only gets removed after a successfull install
[20:12] <BluesKaj> ok, shortjohn,right click on the ethernet icon and choose manual config
[20:13] <shortjohn> BlueDevil done
[20:13] <juacom99> mm tha's a big big bug :S
[20:13] <bmk789> Pollywog: yes its every time i try, ive killed it and tried to restart several times
[20:13] <[ka]killer> ok im trying to configure xorg.conf so my razer copper head works properly
[20:13] <juacom99> ScorpKing: mm tha's a big big bug :S
[20:13] <[ka]killer> i found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3750211 page and tried using those settings, but they do not help
[20:13] <Pollywog> bmk789: this config that you removed, was it in your home directory?
[20:13] <ScorpKing> hehe
[20:13] <[ka]killer> 1 sec going have to reboot
[20:14] <juacom99> ScorpKing: so it can be fixed :S??
[20:14] <ScorpKing> no idea.
[20:14] <bmk789> Pollywog: yse
[20:14] <bmk789> yes*
[20:14] <juacom99> that's bad but steel kubuntu rocks :D
[20:15] <BluesKaj> shortjohn, under "network interfaces" does it show an interface, an IP address, and enabled network device ...or is it blank
[20:15] <Pollywog> I wonder if it is a problem with codecs.. were you trying to listen to a streamed file?
[20:15] <Pollywog> to a stream?
[20:15] <shortjohn> it shows all
[20:15] <shortjohn> ip adress, active device
[20:15] <vers> how do install limewire?
[20:16] <bmk789> Pollywog: no, but i did just create a bunch of OGGs in the music directory thats never been used in amarok before
[20:16] <Pollywog> apt-get install limewire   ?
[20:16] <ScorpKing> wilson_: explain the exact error you get
[20:16] <Pollywog> sudo apt-get
[20:16] <BluesKaj> route tab , shortjohn ..shows an IP adress ?
[20:16] <Pollywog> are you sure the ogg files are not corrupted?
[20:16] <[ka]killer> ok
[20:16] <bmk789> Pollywog: pretty sure
[20:17] <[ka]killer> still not working
[20:17] <slow-motion> hallo
[20:17] <BluesKaj> gotta go for 10 mins ... BRB
[20:17] <wilson_> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=m4906b70d
[20:18] <wilson_> Had to paste it to give it to you...
[20:18] <Pollywog> bmk try starting amarok in a terminal window like konsole and then watch the output there as you try playing a file
[20:18] <Pollywog> bmk789:  try starting amarok in a terminal window like konsole and then watch the output there as you try playing a file
[20:18] <bmk789> Pollywog: i have been running it in a terminal it just says "Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?"
[20:18] <Pollywog> ohhhh
[20:18] <shortjohn> yes BluesKaj 192.168.1.1
[20:19] <Pollywog> so amarok does not actually start?
[20:19] <Pollywog> is that the problem?
[20:19] <bmk789> Pollywog: right
[20:19] <Pollywog> oh
[20:19] <[ka]killer> can anyone help me with my mouse problems?
[20:19] <Pollywog> bmk789: I would uninstall it and then reinstall
[20:19] <Pollywog> but don't install from a deb in your cache
[20:19] <Pollywog> fetch a new file
[20:20] <bmk789> ok
[20:20] <Pollywog> afk
[20:20] <ubuntu_> hello
[20:21] <ubuntu_> i have some problem to mount my disk hda2
[20:21] <ubuntu_> i hav lost my grub and i want to reinstall it with the live CD
[20:22] <ScorpKing> wilson_: that happens when you boot right? can you see something in the logs?
[20:23] <shortjohn> BluesKaj no it says 0,0,0,0 my fault
[20:23] <[ka]killer> does anyone else have a razer copperhead mouse?
[20:26] <wilson_> My apologies...I don´t know how to access the logs unless I get my buddy across the way. It is a pop up window when I boot.
[20:27] <[ka]killer> humm
[20:27] <[ka]killer> i might have gotin it
[20:27] <[ka]killer> never mind...
[20:29] <ScorpKing> wilson_: where during the boor? after kdm start?
[20:30] <[ka]killer> rebooting again -_-
[20:30] <BluesKaj> shortjohn, are you on a LAN or Home network or ?
[20:30] <ScorpKing> boot* heh
[20:32] <smorg> hey anyone remember the name of the ubuntu restricted extras packages?
[20:33] <smorg> ah found it
[20:34] <[ka]killer> ok didnt help
[20:34] <[ka]killer> anyone at all use a razer copperhead?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> shortjohn, click on 'configure interface' and type 192.168.1.1 in the box, then enable it
[20:35] <Eeyore-Jr> i have a broken adept.  what do i need to do to get it repaired?
[20:35] <smorg> deathadder here... works great :-)
[20:35] <[ka]killer> reinstall it?
[20:36] <BluesKaj> adeptfix |Eeyore-Jr
[20:36] <[ka]killer> so you'll answer him but no help for me T_T
[20:36] <Eeyore-Jr> no, there is some command, sudo dpkg -something that will get it to command line and give you options to fix
[20:36] <Eeyore-Jr> but i forget what
[20:36] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix | Eeyore-Jr
[20:36] <ubotu> Eeyore-Jr: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[20:37] <wilson_> yes, after kdm starts and is loaded...I boot into the kde gui and it pops up inside the gui.
[20:44] <[ka]killer> ok i could really use some help
[20:44] <ScorpKing> wilson_: go to konsole and type - grep -r KdeSudo /home/you/* - and see what file that command is in.
[20:46] <BluesKaj> [ka]killer, what's the prob ...you keep asking but don't tell us why
[20:46] <[ka]killer> i said it the first time i came in
[20:46] <[ka]killer> and the 2nd time
[20:46] <[ka]killer> i have a razer copper head
[20:46] <BluesKaj> i wasn't here
[20:46] <[ka]killer> the mouse 'works' but not fully
[20:46] <[ka]killer> it randomly stops working, then acts as if reset
[20:47] <wilson_> humm...it says, ¨No such file or directory.¨
[20:48] <ScorpKing> replace /you/ with your username
[20:48] <wilson_> Oops...thanks...
[20:50] <[ka]killer> im beginning to think its a hardware problem and not software
[20:51] <DaSkreech> reset?
[20:52] <[ka]killer> there is a button on the bottom of the mouse to reset the default settings (2000dpi at 1000hz)
[20:54] <wilson_> Done.  Now what?
[20:54] <BluesKaj> [ka]killer, you may have to open the konsole and 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ' to set the mouse parameters , a warning tho  you may change other settings unintentionally
[20:56] <ScorpKing> wilson_: pastebin the output here.
[20:56] <ScorpKing> !paste
[20:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:57] <[ka]killer> which port should i use?
[20:57] <[ka]killer> guess i'll try psaux
[20:58] <[ka]killer> ok restarting x
[20:59] <wilson_> There was no output, it just gave me a prompt. Checked the home folder, nothing there.
[20:59] <ScorpKing> oh ok.
[20:59] <ScorpKing> wilson_: try grep -r kdesudo /home/you/*
[21:00] <wilson_> Do you want me to do the command line with -v?
[21:01] <Zawk> has anyone had problems with the Fn keys not being able to adjust brightness after upgrading to Gutsy on a dell inspiron?
[21:02] <boggystudios> I am trying to install juice, the podcast reciever, but can't seem to find it in the Adept Manager.  Is it available through the repositories or do I have to install it manually?
[21:03] <ardchoille> !info juice
[21:03] <ubotu> juice: playlist editor / player frontend. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.03pbuild1 (gutsy), package size 105 kB, installed size 340 kB
[21:03] <BluesKaj> boggystudios, do you have universe and multiverse enabled (uncommented) in the sources.list
[21:03] <ardchoille> boggystudios: are you on gutsy?
[21:03]  * genii sips a coffee
[21:03] <ardchoille> hi gene_
[21:03] <ardchoille> hi genii
[21:03] <ScorpKing> wilson_: anything that will help find it. ;)
[21:03] <boggystudios> ardchoille: yes I am using gusty
[21:03] <ScorpKing> hiya genii!
[21:03] <ardchoille> boggystudios: See what BluesKaj said
[21:04] <genii> ScorpKing: hi :)
[21:04] <genii> ScorpKing: no time yet for the splash stuff yet, before ya ask me LOL
[21:04]  * BluesKaj stays away from the caffeine ...trouble sleeping lately ...sips on juice (speaking of )
[21:04] <ardchoille> lol
[21:04] <BluesKaj> hi genii
[21:05] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, :)
[21:05] <ScorpKing> genii: hehe. i didn't think youd have time. ;)
[21:05] <boggystudios> BluesKaj: yes they are enabled
[21:05] <genii> ScorpKing: Work has been busy etc
[21:05] <boggystudios> I see the playlist editor / player frontend but that isn't what I need
[21:05] <ardchoille> boggystudios: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install juice
[21:06] <BluesKaj> boggystudios, no # in front of any of the repos addresses?
[21:06] <ScorpKing> that's why i said 'later this week' yesterday. ;) been very busy myself.
[21:06] <genii> Any pending questions with no answers here?
[21:06] <[ka]killer> ok
[21:06] <[ka]killer> im going to stab my computer
[21:07] <ardchoille> s/stab/fstab/
[21:07] <[ka]killer> now the gui is failing to load
[21:07] <Zawk> stabbing computers helps out
[21:07] <[ka]killer> well
[21:07] <Zawk> although I find blunt instruments better suited
[21:07] <[ka]killer> kicking the one im curently on usually does
[21:07] <[ka]killer> i reconfigured xserv, restarted X and then no gui loaded
[21:08] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: anything useful in ~/.xsession-errors ?
[21:08] <genii> more /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:08] <genii> or tail
[21:08] <BluesKaj> genii, shortjohn was here but his question about enable eth0 was right up yer alley ...I'm still on the learning curve with nwetwork issues ...his modem tells him he's connected buit there's no IP adress in the network interface box ...is it the std 192.168.1.1 ?
[21:08] <ScorpKing> wilson_: get's this error after logging in from kdm - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44539/ anyone know what that is?
[21:09] <[ka]killer> one sec
[21:09] <ScorpKing> he does, not me. ;)
[21:09] <genii> BluesKaj: dls modem or dialup?
[21:09] <genii> *dsl
[21:09] <BluesKaj> dsl
[21:09] <[ka]killer> permission denied
[21:09] <ScorpKing> BluesKaj: ifconfig ppp0 ?
[21:09] <[ka]killer> wont let me open it
[21:10] <genii> BluesKaj: Ah, Ok. If you have eth0 and some dialup ppp0 deal then it takes default gateway from first device which is usually lan
[21:10] <BluesKaj> dunno genii
[21:10] <ardchoille> ScorpKing , wilson_  the only thing I can think of is maybe a stray file in ~/.kde/Autostart ?
[21:10] <[ka]killer> -bash: /home/john/.xsession-errors; permission denied
[21:10] <ardchoille> ah hah!
[21:10] <ScorpKing> BluesKaj: if you use dailup and eth0 is down there wont be internet. close knetworkmanager.
[21:10] <BluesKaj> [ka]killer, sudo
[21:11] <genii> Hmm looks like startx was trying to run from sudo or such if permission denied
[21:11] <[ka]killer> -sudo: /home/john/.xsession-errors; permission denied
[21:11] <BluesKaj> genii , he's on DSL
[21:11] <[ka]killer> command not found*
[21:11] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: that's because you didn't give sudo a command to perform
[21:11] <[ka]killer> if i try to run say xchat i get "gtk-warning**: cannot open display:
[21:12] <ScorpKing> BluesKaj: or any other interface than eth* for that matter. knetworkmanager has no dailup support yet.
[21:12] <genii> BluesKaj: Looks like then some issue of router or modem
[21:12] <ScorpKing> genii: i don't think so ;)
[21:12] <BluesKaj> it's not dialup
[21:12] <BluesKaj> [ka]killer, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:13] <[ka]killer> -_-
[21:13] <[ka]killer> ive tried that
[21:13] <[ka]killer> 3 times
[21:13] <[ka]killer> but i'll try once more
[21:13] <BluesKaj> in the konsole ?
[21:13] <[ka]killer> yes, then i restarted X
[21:13] <[ka]killer> and thats when the problems started
[21:13] <ScorpKing> ls -l /home/john/.xsession-errors
[21:13] <BluesKaj> did you setup the mouse driver ?
[21:13] <wilson_> Can I send you a screenshot?  Did I mention I´m a newbie
[21:14] <ScorpKing> or maybe /tmp permissions? or a full partition?
[21:14] <[ka]killer> BluesKaj, yes
[21:14] <[ka]killer> now its all screwed up
[21:14] <BluesKaj> fancy mouses , bah!
[21:15] <genii> [ka]killer: Were you originally getting a login scren, window manager etc then reconfigured the xserver for resolution or tweaking etc? If so the dpkg-reconfigure makes a copy automatically which you can resore
[21:15] <ScorpKing> wilson_: sure. put it here - http://tinypic.com/index.php
[21:15] <genii> *restore
[21:15] <[ka]killer> ls -l /home/john/.xsession-errors gives me :-rw----- 1 john john 5046 2007-11-14 15:58 /home/john/.xsession-errors
[21:15] <[ka]killer> ok, how do i find which file to restore to
[21:15] <[ka]killer> and how do i do it
[21:15] <cmacis> hi all, I've just switched from debian to the new kubuntu and I'm having a few problems.The adept package manager always breaks on the install part of the install.
[21:15] <[ka]killer> try apt-get
[21:15] <ScorpKing> or aptitude
[21:15] <jpatrick> cmacis: sudo apt-get install -f ?
[21:16] <cmacis> I like gui, is that my only option?
[21:16] <[ka]killer> cmacis: for install if you know the package, its much easier to use apt-get
[21:16] <[ka]killer> i only use adept if i dont know what package i need
[21:16] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: Are any files in your home owned by root?
[21:16] <[ka]killer> dont think so
[21:17] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: find /home/john -user root
[21:17] <jpatrick> [ka]killer: tried apt:/ in konq?
[21:17] <[ka]killer> um.. ok a crap load
[21:17] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: Thought so
[21:17] <[ka]killer> if i could open konq =/
[21:17] <cmacis> Silly question: is my user on the sudoers list by default?
[21:17] <[ka]killer> i am the root on this box
[21:17] <genii> [ka]killer: It makes a copy in the same dir that xorg.conf is, that is:   /etc/X11 directory. I believe they are backed up by date or so. Anyhow you can cd /etc/X11    and then ls xorg.conf*  and then try to decide which to restore or seems the latest
[21:17] <[ka]killer> so it shouldnt be a problem
[21:18] <jpatrick> cmacis: yes, if it's the one you added when you installed kubuntu
[21:18] <[ka]killer> found it
[21:18] <cmacis> thanks.
[21:18] <ScorpKing> [ka]killer: sudo chown john:john -R /home/john/
[21:18] <wilson_> ScorpKing; http://i8.tinypic.com/7yqf6s3.png
[21:18] <genii> [ka]killer: Which you would do something like: sudo cp xorg.conf.whatever xorg.conf
[21:18] <[ka]killer> i'll go with the first one =P
[21:18] <ScorpKing> hehe
[21:18] <[ka]killer> how do i restore that file?
[21:18] <genii> then you can try to restart kdm
[21:18] <genii> [ka]killer: Which you would do something like: sudo cp xorg.conf.whatever xorg.conf
[21:18] <genii> ^
[21:19] <cmacis> and my other problem is that my maximum resolution is 800x600. Big problem.
[21:19] <[ka]killer> ok now restart?
[21:19] <[ka]killer> nv or ati card?
[21:19] <genii> [ka]killer: No, just: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[21:19] <ScorpKing> wilson_: what is in .kde/Autostart?
[21:19] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: rarely do you need to reboot in Linux
[21:20] <[ka]killer> that did it
[21:20]  * genii hands ardchoille a beverage of his choice
[21:20] <[ka]killer> yah normally to restart x i just ctrl+atl+backspace
[21:20] <[ka]killer> thanks for the help
[21:20] <ardchoille> genii: :)
[21:20] <[ka]killer> be back on that box in a min
[21:20] <genii> ctrl-alt-backspace only works if X is already running :)
[21:20] <ardchoille> And is not a clean way to restart x anyway
[21:20] <genii> Yup
[21:21] <ScorpKing> when i log out from kde or any other WM kdm does not restart. i have to restart it from tty everytime i log out.
[21:21] <genii> Well, gdm/kdm is not so horrible. but wm open with bunches of apps open is not great to do
[21:21] <wilson_> ScorpKing: .directory
[21:21] <[ka]killer> k
[21:21] <[ka]killer> back now =P
[21:22] <[ka]killer> and for my mouse i think im just going to go with that the mouse is dieing and get a new one
[21:22] <ScorpKing> wilson_: hmm.. i wonder what program is doing that. :(
[21:22] <[ka]killer> it is going on 4 years old now
[21:22] <[ka]killer> and it has been abused >.> alot
[21:22] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: maybe time to replace it
[21:22] <[ka]killer> yah
[21:22] <[ka]killer> thats what im starting to think
[21:23] <wilson_> ScorpKing: Good question. I´m going to have to log off and get some other work done, appreciate the help.
[21:23]  * [ka]killer starts looking for a new mouse on newegg
[21:23] <ardchoille> fwiw, sudo/kdesudo are great, but sometimes launching an admin ap from the kmenu can change ownerships of $HOME/* files
[21:23] <Aoshi> I need help
[21:23] <ScorpKing> wilson_: i't out of ideas. look on google when you have time.
[21:23] <[ka]killer> who makes good mice?
[21:23] <cmacis> how do I get the package information within apt-get? Specifically I want java working within firefox
[21:23] <ScorpKing> i'm*
[21:23] <[ka]killer> Aoshi: what might your problem be?
[21:23] <Aoshi> my kubuntu don't recognize my graphics drivers
[21:23] <wilson_> ScorpKing: Will do...
[21:23] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: Logitech
[21:23] <[ka]killer> k
[21:24] <Aoshi> I'm not sure that it's said like this
[21:24] <[ka]killer> Aoshi, NV driver installed?
[21:24] <Aoshi> yes
[21:24] <[ka]killer> humm
[21:24] <[ka]killer> restricted device enabled?
[21:24] <ardchoille> Aoshi: ati? nvidia?
[21:24] <Aoshi> Nvidia
[21:24] <ardchoille> !nvidia | Aoshi
[21:24] <ubotu> Aoshi: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:25] <Aoshi> the drivers were working well, but now I have a 640x480 resolution
[21:25] <ardchoille> Aoshi: Did you install the drivers manually?
[21:26] <Aoshi> with adept
[21:26] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[21:26] <genii> Aoshi: See if you have any other available resolutions by: ctrl-alt  then the + or - on the keypad (not the ones on main keyboard) If you have more than 640x480 it will cycle all available resolutions you may use
[21:27] <Zawk> Alright, so I restarted after installing some things that were recommended on a bug report. I can adjust the brightness while the Kubuntu loading-screen is up. But after I get into the desktop, I can't adjust brightness anymore.
[21:27] <Aoshi> it don't do nothing
[21:28] <genii> Aoshi: Ok then there are no other resolutions it knows about from either xorg.conf or the video overlay the driver is supposed to provide.
[21:28] <kak[doctor]> i'll sort this out when i get home
[21:29] <genii> Aoshi: Did you install the nvidia driver and not yet reboot? I had this with a 7600GT, it would not show the other resolutions directly after installing the driver, only after first reboot (since it's a kernel type driver)
[21:30] <Aoshi> I reboot a lot of times
[21:31] <genii> Aoshi: from konsole if you type:   cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep nv             does it show a line which has nv or nvidia, if so which one
[21:31] <Aoshi> the response is
[21:31] <Aoshi> driver nv
[21:31] <Aoshi> driver "nv"
[21:31] <Aoshi> sorry
[21:32] <genii> So it's using the stock xorg one and not the restricted
[21:33] <genii> Aoshi: Open that file by alt-f2 then kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf       go to the place it has "nv" and replace it with "nvidia" then save the file. Logout of window manager and then restart kdm with ctrl-alt-backspace. Login again and see if you can change resolutions
[21:34] <genii> Work, AFK a few
[21:38] <dragonath> so if I push the version upgrade button in adept, what will happen?
[21:39] <ardchoille> It should upgrade
[21:39] <dragonath> to gutsy?
[21:39] <ardchoille> To the next official release
[21:39] <dragonath> hmm, might as well try
[21:40] <Aoshi> it doesn't work
[21:40] <dragonath> I noticed yes
[21:40] <Aoshi> bye
[21:44] <dragonath> Aoshi: mm you mean the version upgrade thing from the adept manager doesn't work?
[21:44] <KittenOfWar> Hey all, my wife's PC has a "Home" button, I'm wanting to bind it to open her Local Storage (media) folder in Dolphin, how do  I go about doing this?
[21:46] <dragonath> mm if you figure out what command starts dolphin in the local storage folder, then you can make a new entry to the k menu thing and set a key there to bind it
[21:46] <ScorpKing> KittenOfWar: open that Home file in kate
[21:47] <KittenOfWar> Which home file?
[21:47] <ScorpKing> KittenOfWar: Desktop/Home or Desktop/Home.desktop
[21:47] <ScorpKing> do it from kate
[21:48] <cmacis> hmm, that didn't work. Anyone know how to set up the unichrome graphics card.
[21:48] <KittenOfWar> ScorpKing: What would I be editing in kate?
[21:48] <ScorpKing> KittenOfWar: go to konsole
[21:48] <KittenOfWar> ok
[21:49] <ScorpKing> KittenOfWar: type kate Desktop/Home
[21:50] <genii> back
[21:50] <KittenOfWar> I'm there.
[21:50] <ScorpKing> KittenOfWar: look for URL=
[21:50] <ScorpKing> and change it to URL=media:/
[21:50] <KittenOfWar> Its blank?
[21:50] <cmacis> I tried selecting the openchrome driver as it recommended, but it doesn't seem to work.
[21:51] <ScorpKing> KittenOfWar: is the file empty?
[21:51] <KittenOfWar> Yes.
[21:51] <genii> Aoshi: You replaced the driver name with nvidia instead of nv, logged out, restarted the login manager etc? And still only 640x480 is available etc ?
[21:51] <ScorpKing> close it
[21:51]  * genii sips a coffee
[21:51] <ScorpKing> KittenOfWar: try kate Desktop/Home.desktop
[21:51] <ScorpKing> from konsole
[21:52] <boguh> ScorpKing im having no Home on my Desktop as well
[21:52] <KittenOfWar> I've managed to get the home button to open Dolphin, but it just goes to her home directory
[21:52] <ScorpKing> KittenOfWar: where is this button?
[21:52] <KittenOfWar> on her keyboard
[21:53] <ScorpKing> oh ok. hehe.
[21:53] <ScorpKing> then say so :P
[21:53] <KittenOfWar> Sorry :)
[21:53] <KittenOfWar> I've added a new Command to KDE Menu Editor
[21:54] <ScorpKing> for that button?
[21:54] <KittenOfWar> What command would I use to get Dolph3n to open to system:/media
[21:54] <KittenOfWar> One second.
[21:54] <ScorpKing> what is the command you used?
[21:55] <KittenOfWar> XF86WWW
[21:55] <ScorpKing> huh?
[21:55] <slow-motion> n8
[21:55] <KittenOfWar> the command at this point run by the XF86WWW button is dolphin
[21:56] <KittenOfWar> but it defaults  to the /home folder
[21:56] <ScorpKing> i don't understand. :(
[21:56] <KittenOfWar> Ah
[21:56] <ScorpKing> is that the full command?
[21:56] <genii> Is Aoshi still here? Their name is doing tab-completion....
[21:57] <KittenOfWar> Ok,  opening Dolphin goes to your home folder, you can choose Storage Media on the left, taking you to your partitions/external media, I'm wanting a command that opens dolphin directly to the system:/media folder
[21:58] <BluesKaj> KittenOfWar, system menu/storage media
[21:58] <KittenOfWar> BluesKaj: I've got a "media" key on the keyboard I'm attempting to bind :)
[21:59] <boguh> KittenOfWar : dolphin system:/media
[21:59] <boguh> thats the command to run
[21:59] <KittenOfWar> boguh: that's simple enough :D  thanks.
[21:59] <ScorpKing> :) ty boguh
[21:59] <dragonath> !compix
[21:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:59] <dragonath> !compiz
[21:59] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:00] <KittenOfWar> boguh: works like a champ, thank you.
[22:00] <cmacis> !openchrome
[22:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about openchrome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:00] <genii> Aoshi: In case you are here but just not at your computer right now (and since i need to leave in a few minutes from work):  from konsole, :     sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg      <- this will not go thru the entire deal of declaring mouse, keyboard etc etc or change the driver you are currently using, only the resolutions.
[22:00]  * ScorpKing feels lost. maybe it's time for bed..
[22:00] <boguh> KittenOfWar but i still dont understand how you bind it
[22:00] <ScorpKing> me neither. :(
[22:00] <dragonath> you can make a new entry to the k menu thingie
[22:01] <dragonath> and if I remember correctly you can bind a button to it
[22:01] <ScorpKing> ah! now i see.
[22:01] <dragonath> the light is still an oncoming train :)
[22:01] <genii> Get off the tracks!
[22:01]  * genii sips his coffee and giggles
[22:02] <ScorpKing> he binds the XF86WWW button to dolphin and not to dolphin system:/media
[22:02] <dragonath> (as soon as I get compiz to work)
[22:03] <DaSkreech> apt-get remove tracks
[22:03] <ScorpKing> aptitude install bed. nite guys. have fun!
[22:03] <genii> I find it ironic that you can do: sudo apt-get reomove --purge apt-get
[22:04] <genii> *remove
[22:04] <KittenOfWar> ScorpKing: I right clicked K menu, then Menueditor, made a new Item with the command dolphin system:/media  and chose the "Home" keyboard button as the shortcut key.
[22:04] <KittenOfWar> genii: You should try deleting your / directory, your install will still run :)
[22:05] <genii> Anyhow, see you fine ppl later, if anyone sees Aoshi pls point them at sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[22:05]  * genii deletes KittenOfWar's /proc
[22:05] <genii> ;)
[22:05] <KittenOfWar> Evil...
[22:05] <genii> Ok, really bye
[22:05] <KittenOfWar> Take her easy
[22:06] <boguh> anyone tried changing the x modifier mapping in keyboard shortcuts? i want to map esc to caps lock
[22:08] <cmacis> that didn't work either. I need better than 800x600 resolution.
[22:09] <KittenOfWar> boguh: any idea how to save a scheme if it's grayed out?
[22:10] <boguh> KittenOfWar in dolphin or where?
[22:12] <Search4Lancer> hello, I tried to upgrade via adept, but it stalled during download. I killed the upgrade utility, and now I'm running apt-get upgrade. Correct plan of attack (yes/no)?
[22:12] <KittenOfWar> boguh: in keyboard shortcuts
[22:13] <boguh> Yes, because is just read the manual :) press the help button an read the important note and above
[22:14] <boguh> KittenOfWar you are not allowed to edit the default theme
[22:14] <KittenOfWar> boguh: I can't create a new either.
[22:14] <andreas_> Can anyone recomend a os-x like theme?  Having truble finding anything on kde-look.
[22:15] <Search4Lancer> boguh, if you were directing that to me, reason I ask is because I can't get the upgrade utility back. I can upgrade all the packages through adept, but it doesn't give me the fancy upgrade utility like it did before
[22:15] <boguh> KittenOfWar change a keybinding then you can
[22:15] <boguh> Search4Lancer no sry, not to you
[22:16]  * KittenOfWar smacks his forehead
[22:16] <MilitantPotat1> hmm
[22:18] <tigrou_> coucou c'est quoi ça ?
[22:18] <MilitantPotat1> !es | tigrou_
[22:18] <ubotu> tigrou_: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[22:19] <Search4Lancer> I think that was french
[22:19] <Search4Lancer> !fr | tigrou_
[22:19] <ubotu> tigrou_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[22:20] <MilitantPotat1> I took 3 years of french and can't recognize it... -1 for public schools.
[22:20] <ardchoille> Portuguese?
[22:20] <Zawk> well, -es is usually "espania"
[22:21] <Zawk> so that's my guess :)
[22:21] <ardchoille> That wasn't Spanish, I know that.
[22:21] <andreas_> Can anyone recomend a os-x like theme?  Having truble finding anything on kde-look.
[22:21] <ardchoille> andreas_: apt-get install kwin-baghira
[22:21] <ardchoille> *sudo
[22:22] <ardchoille> andreas_: Lok at the last three links here:http://ardchoille42.googlepages.com/
[22:22] <ardchoille> That's what kwin-baghira will get you
[22:23] <andreas_> ardchoille Thx
[22:23] <ardchoille> yw
[22:23] <The_Machine> Question about dolphin - the view seems to only show Name / Size / Date
[22:23] <The_Machine> how do i add other details to the view?!
[22:24] <The_Machine> such as filetype, length, other stuff?
[22:24] <The_Machine> i don't see any customization
[22:25] <lider_> hola ..como hago para saber la ip de una persona a la que le estoy enviando archivos  por kopete
[22:25] <lider_> [18:23] <lider_> e intentado con netstat -no pero nada
[22:25] <lider_> [18:23] <lider_> me salen otras ip pero no la de la persona
[22:25] <MilitantPotat1> The_Machine: Tools>D3lphin prefs, view modes on the left, then the details tab, check those boxes
[22:25] <ardchoille> !es | lider_
[22:25] <ubotu> lider_: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[22:26] <MilitantPotat1> *configure dolphin after Tools.
[22:26] <lider_> yeah but es nothing help
[22:26] <MilitantPotat1> settings i mean, bad day for me.
[22:26] <ardchoille> lider_: Then post your question here in English
[22:26] <The_Machine> MilitantPotat1, thanks
[22:26] <The_Machine> thought there would be more
[22:26] <The_Machine> :/
[22:26] <MilitantPotat1> yea, pretty slim pickings.
[22:27] <The_Machine> at least file type
[22:27] <The_Machine> i know linux doesn't use file extensions, but still..  there are types :/
[22:27] <cmacis> is there a up-to-date guide on setting up my unichrome card within gusty?
[22:29] <MilitantPotat1> Restricted drivers wise?
[22:29] <MilitantPotat1> Or is your resolution off?
[22:30] <Pollywog> so update-menu's is gone from gutsy or is that a mistake?
[22:30] <cmacis> currently it's using the vesa driver with a maximum resolution of 800x600. It suggests I use openchrome but that doesn't work.
[22:30] <Pollywog> update menus
[22:31] <MilitantPotat1> What video card do you have Cmacis?
[22:32] <cmacis> My computer spec says unichrome pro up to 64mb shared graphics
[22:32] <cmacis> http://www.fujitsu-siemens.co.uk/home/products/notebooks/amilo_l_7320g.html
[22:33] <Pollywog> I found it it's in the menu package
[22:33] <MilitantPotat1> !via
[22:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about via - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:33] <MilitantPotat1> !binary
[22:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about binary - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:35] <andreas_> !theme
[22:35] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[22:35] <andreas_> !changethemes
[22:35] <ubotu> To change gnome themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu themes: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu. Xubuntu users should /msg ubotu xfce-themes
[22:35] <ardchoille> andreas_: iirc, there's also http://ubuntu-look.org
[22:36] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: have you tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome?highlight=%28UniChrome%29
[22:36] <ardchoille> andreas_: nvm, guess I was wrong
[22:36] <andreas_> I have installed baghira, looks real cool, but cant seem to remember where the theme manager is :p
[22:36] <vbgunz> where on launchpad do you ask for feature request?
[22:36] <vbgunz> under bugs?
[22:36] <andreas_> on screens that is
[22:37] <cmacis> I was trying that, but it doesn't have instructions for gusty
[22:38] <ardchoille> andreas_: System Settings > Look & Feel > Appearance
[22:38] <ardchoille> andreas_: The Style and Window Decorations sections
[22:38] <stdin> vbgunz: file a but and put "WISH" or "WISHBUG" in the description
[22:39] <andreas_> ardchollie: is the baghira theme there?  Cant find it
[22:39] <vbgunz> stdin: file a bug and in the header, but "WISH", correct? is this the way to do it for Kubuntu on Launchpad?
[22:39] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: have you enabled restricted drivers?>
[22:39] <ardchoille> andreas_: If you installed kwin-baghira it should have an entry in both the window decorations and style menus
[22:40] <andreas_> ardchollie: Thx m8, found it now.
[22:40] <ardchoille> yw
[22:40] <cmacis> how do I enable restricted drivers?
[22:40] <stdin> vbgunz: do you know what package you want a request for?
[22:40] <ardchoille> andreas_: btw, there are tons of settings.. took me half an hour to sort thru it all
[22:40] <vbgunz> stdin: not exactly
[22:41] <vbgunz> stdin: something in regards to how mount works
[22:41] <lgkan> is there a way to get an output screen during install
[22:41] <stdin> vbgunz: then just assign it to ubuntu (and let the devs handle assigning it ;)
[22:41] <ardchoille> stdin: I didn't know you could do that
[22:41] <vbgunz> ok, I'll try and hopefully something will happen :)
[22:42] <andreas_> ardchollie: Guess i have som but-scratching to do then:D
[22:42] <ardchoille> andreas_: hahaha
[22:42] <lgkan> is there a way to get an output screen during install
[22:42] <stdin> ardchoille: like bug#1 is assigned to the project "ubuntu" not any package
[22:43] <ardchoille> stdin: Nice to know
[22:43] <lgkan> is there a way to get an output screen during install instead of looking at the graphic splash
[22:43] <ardchoille> !patience | lgkan
[22:43] <ubotu> lgkan: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[22:43] <andreas_> ardchollie: While still on topic, do you know an easy_to_setup osx launchbar?
[22:43] <root_> hiho! I have a problem... I have an empty path file so it seems and my gcc wont compile a simple printf... my system doesnt find the stdio library... i am a total noob so i do not know how to correct this... can anyone help me please?
[22:44] <stdin> root_: install the package "build-essential"
[22:44] <AddyK> I want to set Xorg to 640x480 4-bit, how do I do it?
[22:44] <lgkan> hmmm  was wondering if I was even visible, asked the same question last night with no response
[22:44] <ardchoille> andreas_: Not that I know of. you could try kooldock (in the repos) or just rearrange stuff on kicker like I did for those screenshots.
[22:44] <root_> THANK YOU!!
[22:45] <AddyK> root_  um... you really shouldn't be talking from the root account :/
[22:45] <andreas_> ardchollie: Okay, thaks. I'll figure it out :)
[22:45] <stdin> !rootirc
[22:45] <ubotu> It's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad, and especially bad with software that connects to the Internet.
[22:45] <stdin> ;)
[22:46] <cmacis> okay, that broke it again
[22:46] <ardchoille> andreas_: hint: you can right-click on items in the kmenu and it will give you options. you can add some of the mkmeu items to the kicker and then remove the taskbar from kicker, it'll start to look like the OSX dock bar.
[22:46] <AddyK> Soo anyone know how to set 640x480.4bit ?
[22:46] <ardchoille> !resolution
[22:46] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[22:47] <AddyK> ardchoille  I'm not really trying to fix it :D I am merely wondering how it is in 16 colors :)
[22:47] <AddyK> will check though :)
[22:47] <Pollywog> I understand that gutsy has some new encryption features... do I need to do a clean install to get them?
[22:47] <vbgunz> is there anyway in fstab to say "dynamic mount point"?
[22:47] <AddyK> Thanks
[22:47] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[22:48] <AddyK> vbgunz  I think KDE does that automatically
[22:48] <root_> is there a way to make an account whic is not root?
[22:48] <vbgunz> in fstab, instead of saying /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 etc etc, say e.g., /dev/sda1 "DYNAMIC, YOUPICKANDCHOOSE JUST LET ME SET MY OPTIONS"?
[22:48] <AddyK> adduser
[22:48] <AddyK> root_  : adduser
[22:49] <ardchoille> root_: sudo adduser user_name_here
[22:49] <Pollywog> root: adduser <newuser>
[22:49] <Pollywog> sudo
[22:49] <root_> thank you again
[22:49] <Pollywog> I always forget the sudo part
[22:49] <AddyK> Pollywog  if he's on root
[22:49] <ardchoille> root_: What did you do with the sudo account that was created when you installed?
[22:49] <Pollywog> but if root you don't need it
[22:50] <Tm_T> Darth-afk: erm
[22:50] <Pollywog> root_: sure you installed *ubuntu and not Linspire?  ;)
[22:52] <root_> i must admit i am running andlinux... but i remembered this KONVERSATION tool from kubuntu. and i really did not know where else to find help at that time of day. i am sorry
[22:53] <ardchoille> root_: I'd be willing to bet that your distro has its own irc channel
[22:53] <BluesKaj> root_, a nick change is recommended at once
[22:53] <stdin> if not, there's always ##linux
[22:53] <Pollywog> oh yes I found it, I will have to reinstall if I want the new encryption features
[22:54] <merlett> changed my nick i am not root anymore
[22:54] <BluesKaj> merlett, good !
[22:54] <stdin> even though your ident and real name are still "root" :p
[22:55] <merlett> mhmhm brb
[22:55]  * BluesKaj shakes his head 
[22:55] <Pollywog> hmmm shaken baby syndrome
[22:55] <BluesKaj> lord help us
[22:56] <merlett> i startet konversation as user merlett now. am i still root?
[22:56] <Tm_T> nope
[22:56] <BluesKaj> i mean lord of linux , of course :)
[22:56] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: me?
[22:56] <Tm_T> merlett: are you Jesus?
[22:57] <lgkan> if I use tty1 during install using live 7.10 does sudo work
[22:57] <BluesKaj> no Tm  not self appointed types
[22:57] <BluesKaj> :)
[22:57] <stdin> BluesKaj: then me? ;)
[22:57] <BluesKaj> where's Linus ?
[22:57] <stdin> lgkan: sudo always works
[22:57] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: in California
[22:57] <stdin> hacking away
[22:57] <lgkan> even during install?
[22:57] <BluesKaj> he should be here
[22:58] <stdin> lgkan: it's a live session, it'll work
[22:58] <cmacis> argh, that also failed.
[22:58] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: did you install the restricted drivers bit?
[22:58] <lgkan> k, whats the command to view output of the install
[22:58] <cmacis> I don't understand the restricted drivers bit.
[22:58] <stdin> probably a mix of grep and less
[22:58] <Pollywog> yeah it sounds like one is doing a bad thing
[22:59] <Pollywog> installing restricted stuff
[22:59] <stdin> lgkan: have a look in /var/log
[22:59] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: first install xserver-xorg-video-openchrome 
[22:59] <cmacis> installed :)
[22:59] <MilitantPotat1> then run sudo restricted-manager-kde
[22:59] <MilitantPotat1> make sure the box is checked
[23:00] <lgkan> I'm a bit rusty with linux commands, been a while, grep>/var/log
[23:00] <lgkan> ?
[23:00] <Pollywog> the fbi will drain your pond
[23:00] <cmacis> box is ticked
[23:00] <ardchoille> lgkan: less /var/log
[23:00] <ardchoille> lgkan: less /var/log/*
[23:00] <MilitantPotat1> then gksu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:00] <maybeway36> kdesu kate
[23:00] <lgkan> ok, and that will show onscreen while in progress?
[23:00] <MilitantPotat1> kdesu kate***
[23:00] <MilitantPotat1> sorry, used to ubuntu.
[23:00] <cmacis> kdesu?
[23:01] <maybeway36> yes
[23:01] <MilitantPotat1> and gnome :(
[23:01] <ardchoille> lgkan: That will let you page thru the log file (you need a file in /var/log/*)
[23:01] <maybeway36> gksu would work ,but its probably not installed
[23:01] <MilitantPotat1> Under the section Device
[23:01] <cmacis> how is that diferent to sudo?
[23:01] <lgkan> actually I was hoping for onscreen output in real time, trying to see whats causing my problems
[23:01] <MilitantPotat1> make sure DRIVER is VIA, not VESA
[23:01] <Pollywog> cmac it is sudo for graphical apps
[23:01] <maybeway36> uses root's config files, avoids permission problems with X11 apps
[23:02] <ardchoille> cmacis: use sudo for cli apps, and use kdesu for gui apps
[23:02] <maybeway36> yeah
[23:02] <cmacis> ta, that explains some problems I've had before.
[23:02] <stdin> !kdesu | ubotu knows all
[23:02] <ubotu> ubotu knows all: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[23:02] <cloakable> lol
[23:02] <maybeway36> (kdesu works in gutsy too, its a link to kdesudo)
[23:02] <ardchoille> yeah
[23:02] <cmacis> is that it for changes? Do I restart X now?
[23:02] <stdin> not kdesu.dist ;)
[23:03] <maybeway36> yeah
[23:03] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: pastebin your xorg.conf
[23:03] <cmacis> http://pastebin.com/m69df52c3
[23:04] <MilitantPotat1> here's your resolution problem:         SubSection "Display"                 Modes           "800x600"
[23:04] <MilitantPotat1> but that looks fine asfar as the via drivers.
[23:05] <cmacis> right, changed that to 1280x800
[23:05] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: lowercase via, not sure if that matters
[23:05] <cmacis> changed that as well
[23:06] <BluesKaj> cmacis, have you tried this
[23:06] <MilitantPotat1> ok, save and restart X, if you can't get into X, do you know how to reconfigure x server?
[23:07] <cmacis> yep, done it enough times with messing with this blooming card :)
[23:07] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: wait for blue though.
[23:07] <cmacis> yep
[23:07] <BluesKaj> cmacis,k-menu/system settings/monitor&display/hardware-tab/admin mode/graphics card/configure. Find your card in the list and "apply" , same goes for the monitor, if possible.Click "test". If all is well, logout and back in again
[23:07] <cmacis> my manufacturer isn't in the list. I've tried the recommended and it doesn't pass the test.
[23:08] <maybeway36> do vesa
[23:08] <cmacis> vesa normal is what it's on. VESA generic fails test.
[23:08] <kenny> How do I add a key to a respository?
[23:08] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: are you 100% sure you have xserver-xorg-video-openchrome  installed?
[23:08] <maybeway36> sudo apt-key add filename
[23:08] <kenny> thx :)
[23:08] <cmacis> xserver-xorg-video-openchrome is already the newest version.
[23:09] <merlett> good bye! and thx to everyone for the fast help
[23:09] <MilitantPotat1> ok, well give those xorg changes a try
[23:09] <cmacis> yep. restarting x again.
[23:09] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: when you come back try glxinfo | grep direct
[23:09] <cmacis> probably be back in a few minutes.
[23:10] <MilitantPotat1> I wish driver makers would get linux support going.
[23:13] <BluesKaj> i'm surprised his xorg file is so lean ..quite sure he's using nvidia hardware
[23:14] <BluesKaj> bet he hasn't paid any attn to his monitor driver , just the graphics card
[23:14] <MilitantPotat1> the laptop model he put up deffinatly uses an openchrome card
[23:14] <MilitantPotat1> true.
[23:14] <MilitantPotat1> He said he's having VIA issues, if he's just having resolution problems he's going the wrong route...
[23:14] <BluesKaj> openchrome is new to me
[23:14] <MilitantPotat1> Same, I've only done Nvidia and ATI drivers
[23:16] <Search4Lancer> eep! Adept won't let me enable the recommended updates and pre-released updates - all the boxes are greyed
[23:16] <MilitantPotat1> Did you run it as root?
[23:17] <Search4Lancer> it automagically runs as root - hence the password entering whenever you fire it up via the menu
[23:17] <Search4Lancer> I suspect it might have something to do with my earlier upgrade failure
[23:17] <cmacis> yep, that didn't work
[23:18] <nonewmsgs> ok now i umounted my one hd, do i have to change any file or will fsck be OK since i umounted it first
[23:18] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: what does glxinfo | grep direct output?
[23:18] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: what does "glxinfo | grep direct" output?
[23:18] <cmacis> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[23:18] <cmacis> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[23:19] <MilitantPotat1> lovely :(
[23:20] <cmacis> brb, trying just to change the resolution.
[23:21] <cmacis> nope, still stuck on 800x600
[23:21] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: try setting the driver to openchrome.  the description in synaptic says: This driver is originally shipped to be loaded as 'via' on xorg.conf, but this package renames it to 'openchrome', so it doesn't conflicts with the other VIA driver already available on Ubuntu.
[23:21] <Dannilion> Hello. I am having problems connecting to msn messenger on Kopete, aMSN and Pidgin. Other messengers (AIM, Yahoo) work fine, I'm not behind a router, and I've done nothing myself to cause this. Anyone got an idea what it could be?
[23:21] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: when you reconfigured xorg, did you select other resolutions or just 800x600?
[23:22] <cmacis> I changed it to 1280x800, the screen default according to the manufacturer.
[23:23] <cmacis> trying the openchrome driver again. brb
[23:24] <Tm_T> ompaul: muh
[23:24] <ompaul> Tm_T: well here we go
[23:25] <Tm_T> you go, not we
[23:25] <ompaul> Tm_T: royal use of the word ;-)
[23:29] <compilerwriter> Anyone else here running virtualbox so that they can run Quicken and Quickbooks?  If I could just get a really good OS solution to those two!
[23:29] <cmacis> that didn't work either :(
[23:29] <Ahmuck> how do i get kubuntu to recognize my usb scanner?
[23:29] <cmacis> pray
[23:29] <MilitantPotat1> what does glxinfo | grep direct output?
[23:29] <Ahmuck> compilerwriter: i run virtualbox.  have you seen ledgersmb?
[23:30] <cmacis> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[23:30] <cmacis> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[23:30] <ignoramus> Noob question: How do i get kubuntu 7.10 to stop asking me to insert the install CD when installing programs?
[23:30] <MilitantPotat1> :(
[23:30] <compilerwriter> Ahmuck I have not seen ledgersmb yet?  Is it a quickbooks sort of thing with all the report bells and whistles?
[23:31] <muskogeerabbit> I don't know if anyone can help or not. I use a Logitech keyboard that has a volume control switch. On UBUNTU it raises and lowers the volume fine. On KUBUNTU the graphic comes up saying that the volume is changing, but nothing happens. Any idea what I need to do to make this work. I can raise and lower the volume with the mouse but not with the keyboard.
[23:32] <Ahmuck> compilerwriter: you will have to be the judge of that. it is a double entry accounting ledger.  if you want reports, use an "intelligent buisness forecasting" package
[23:33] <Ahmuck> muskogeerabbit: my logitech keyboard works great
[23:33] <cmacis> brb
[23:33] <BluesKaj> muskogeerabbit, what have you tried in system settings/keyboards to fix it ?
[23:34] <muskogeerabbit> The mute key works, but not the volume switych. I haven't tried anything yet, because I didn't know where to start.
[23:34] <BluesKaj> Ahmuck, that kind of response is encouraging ,but not very helpful ...what did you do to make it work so well, so we can help muskogeerabbit ?
[23:34] <MilitantPotat1> How do you make modprobe output a verbose message?
[23:35] <MilitantPotat1> Cmacis, you should be able to follow the directions on that OpenChrome site, I'm not seeing any commands that wont work in gutsy.
[23:35] <Ahmuck> BluesKaj: i plugged it in
[23:35] <BluesKaj> Ahmuck, wow , that really helps
[23:36] <nonewmsgs> DAMMIT im having the restricted codecs problem again
[23:36] <cmacis> thanks for the help. I've managed to change the resolution with the vesa driver now.
[23:36] <muskogeerabbit> This is the way it came up working. Under UBUNTU it works as it should. Under KUBUNTU the graphis indicates change, but the volume doesn't change. Actually this is a Logitech, but it emulates a Mac KB.
[23:37] <cmacis> right, next problem. How do I get firefox to recognise that java is installed?
[23:38] <MilitantPotat1> i386 or x64?
[23:38] <nonewmsgs> i now have 2 computers and both of them have the synaptic ubuntu-restricted-codecs and kubuntu and i reinstalled both sets and they arent working although they were working before
[23:39] <cmacis> i396
[23:39] <MilitantPotat1> one second, let me see what I installed
[23:40] <compilerwriter> Ahmuck did you install virtualbox from the repos or did you install the deb package from virtualbox.org?
[23:40] <ardchoille> cmacis: did you install the java plugin for firefox?
[23:40] <ardchoille> !info j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin
[23:40] <ubotu> j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin: Java plugin for firefox. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0ubuntu6 (gutsy), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB (Only available for i386 amd64)
[23:42] <ardchoille> cmacis: you can do this in a temrinal to search for stuff:  apt-cache search foo (ex. apt-cache search mozilla)
[23:43] <cmacis>  next laptop definately takes linux into account when choosing it.
[23:44] <muskogeerabbit> If I put the cursor over the speaker it shows the current volume level. The display that appears when the volume switch is obviously not connected to the same register.
[23:44] <Minataku> If it's like my sound card, there's two primary volume controls
[23:44] <Minataku> In my case, one is MASTER and one is PCM
[23:45] <Minataku> Set one of these to 100%, and manipulate the other
[23:45] <Ahmuck> compilerwriter: from the repos
[23:45] <Minataku> I set MASTER to 100% and change PCM, myself
[23:45] <Ahmuck> BluesKaj: you asked
[23:46] <cmacis> hmm, firefox says that java isn't installed.
[23:46] <Ahmuck> BluesKaj: but I am glad you found it helpfull <sarcasm returned>
[23:47] <BluesKaj> muskogeerabbit, k-menu/system settings/Regionall& Language/Keyboard Layout/Enable keyboard layouts/click on keyboard model ...choose your model , if listed
[23:49] <renzo> ciao
[23:49] <Virtual> oi
[23:50] <BluesKaj> !it | renzo
[23:50] <ubotu> renzo: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[23:50] <compilerwriter> Ahmuck do you have seamless mode installed on your virtualbox
[23:50] <Virtual> I need help about qemu installation does anybody can help me?
[23:50] <Virtual> I m from Brazil
[23:51] <Minataku> Virtual: If you would prefer assistance in your native language, there's a channel for that
[23:51] <Minataku> !br
[23:51] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[23:51] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis:  sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-fonts
[23:51] <Tm_T> Aresilek|Videos: hey you
[23:52] <cmacis> ty
[23:53] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: did that work?
[23:53] <muskogeerabbit> Ok. That will get me started. I guess I will start by seeing what UBUBTU thinks is installed. Thanks for the help.
[23:54] <nonewmsgs> does kubuntu-restricted-common include libdvdcss2?
[23:54] <cmacis> militantportal, yep that worked thanks. No more konqueror
[23:54] <nonewmsgs> i mrean restricted extras
[23:54] <cmacis> oh, wait. nope that didn't
[23:55] <cmacis> erm, it's all confused. it says it needs plugins but it's working.
[23:57] <MilitantPotat1> cmacis: did you restart firefox?
[23:57] <MilitantPotat1> or have it open when you installed them?
[23:58] <MilitantPotat1> about:plugins in FF should have this in the Java section http://images.howtoforge.com/images/gutsy_desktop/big/pic41_42.jpg
[23:58] <cmacis> it was open I think
[23:59] <MilitantPotat1> that'd be bad :)
[23:59] <ignoramus> dumb question: How do I alphabetize entries within the KMenu?  I'm pretty sure I saw a setting for that before...