[14:58] <paulduf> heno, I believe that we won't fix upgrade issues in Edgy now, but I believe it is not uncommon for old bugs to still apply to current version, except maybe packaging bugs that make the update stop, but then again, it is unclear what is the correct thing to do in this case (I have no authority at all, just a normal bug squasher)
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #162656 in gnome-volume-manager (main) "microphone auto unmutes after serveral minutes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162656
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #162657 in xaos (main) "XaoS -fullscreen doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162657
[15:09] <mvo_> paulduf: it is overwriten
[15:10] <mvo_> heno_: its sort-of-useful, I want to have a good understanding what went wrong in between dapper-hardy so that the upgrader tries to get those cases right
[15:10] <mvo_> heno_: but if the report has no logs, its useless
[15:10] <ubotu> New bug: #162661 in ubuntu "/var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/J: failed to write cache" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162661
[15:11] <heno_> mvo_: ok, thanks
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #162658 in ubuntu "svn unknown error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162658
[15:11] <ubotu> New bug: #162659 in ubuntu "/var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/J: failed to write cache" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162659
[15:15] <bddebian> Boo
[15:16] <ubotu> New bug: #162662 in evolution (main) "Error while Expunging folder." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162662
[15:20] <ogra> bee
[15:25] <ubotu> New bug: #162664 in vlc (universe) "none of VLCs output modules play nice with Compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162664
[15:27] <paulduf> mvo: thanks, (for info that old logs are overwritten)
[15:36] <ubotu> New bug: #162665 in compiz (main) "Compiz should allow exceptions for window transparency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162665
[15:39] <paulduf> pedro (Villavicienco): You should update the web page after each bug you deal with
[15:40] <ubotu> New bug: #162666 in update-manager (main) "Open links with middle click" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162666
[15:40] <ubotu> New bug: #162667 in koffice2 (universe) "missing kdefx prevents koffice2 to start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162667
[15:45] <paulduf> Wow, effective my message (but now I must wait pedro to finish editing :-))
[15:46] <pedro_> paulduf: sure, thanks for the reminder
[15:46] <pedro_> done
[15:48] <paulduf> pedro: ok, thanks!
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #162668 in svn-workbench (universe) "[gutsy] svn workbench fails when using umlaut in comment" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162668
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #162669 in kdebase (main) "kwin-dev package needed (kdebase-dev split)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162669
[16:00] <ubotu> New bug: #162671 in ubuntu "VT6656 wireless chipset is unsupported" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162671
[16:05] <sourcercito> paulduf, sorry about 50499
[16:15] <ubotu> New bug: #162672 in ubuntu "Apps that use D-Bus don't work over SSH" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162672
[16:20] <ubotu> New bug: #162673 in epiphany (universe) "after ctrl+enter, down does not move the focus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162673
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #162676 in ubuntu "Network manager (nm-applet) asks for keyring password after login or resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162676
[16:26] <ubotu> New bug: #162674 in bug-buddy (main) "[Merge] bug-buddy 2.20.1+dfsg-1ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162674
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #162677 in linux-meta (main) "restricted nvidia driver fails after gutsy upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162677
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #162678 in gdm (main) "Ipv6 enabled gdm can't get host correctly in ipv4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162678
[16:38] <paulduf> sourcecito: really thinks that bug #50499 should stay invalid? Looks to me it could have usefull info even if we don't know if it still apply to feisty
[16:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50499 in update-manager "upgrade to dapper removes xchat" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50499
[16:38] <ubotu> New bug: #162679 in nautilus (main) "php files get classified as html" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162679
[16:38] <ubotu> New bug: #162680 in torrentflux (universe) "Downloading all files fails if some files have already been downloaded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162680
[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #162681 in glibc (main) "libc6-i386 dependency not met in gutsy x86_64 after upgrade of libc6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162681
[16:52] <paulduf> I have reopened #50499
[16:52] <sourcercito> paulduf, ok, as i said, i'll leave to your discretion
[16:54] <sourcercito> i was just pointing out that, the submitter doesn't give feedback on the last question for almost 9 months
[16:55] <ubotu> New bug: #162683 in linux-source-2.6.15 (main) "DVD-RAM writing error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162683
[16:58] <paulduf> Was not really realizing this was that long. Still believe however that it is up to mvo to decide if he want to close bug #50499
[16:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 50499 in update-manager "upgrade to dapper removes xchat" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50499
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #162684 in ubuntu "[Gutsy] Sony Vaio VGN-FZ* Fn Keys Not Working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162684
[17:00] <ubotu> New bug: #162685 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162685
[17:00] <sourcercito> paulduf, don't worry about it, as long you're working on it, won't harm anyone, i think, leave it open ;)
[17:06] <ubotu> New bug: #162686 in ubuntu "1267 - Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,COERCIBLE) and (utf8_general_ci,IMPLICIT) for operation 'find_in_set'  this on mysql-server-4.1.15, this bug is repair on 4.1.16     OOPS-683B1042" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162686
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #162687 in gv (universe) "gv (gs) gobbles gigabyte of virtual memory with empty font" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162687
[17:12] <paulduf> Just as a remember, it is usefull to keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses near while triaging (I say it for me as much as for others)
[17:28] <ubotu> New bug: #162689 in update-manager (main) "apt versionupgrade crashes when upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162689
[17:36] <ubotu> New bug: #162691 in openoffice.org2 (main) "Insert Picture causes Writer to crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162691
[17:40] <calc> i'm almost back down to the number of new bugs i had in august :)
[17:41]  * calc hopes to be down to ~ 0 by next week
[17:41] <calc> i've processed 100 NEW bugs since yesterday :)
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #162693 in oolite (multiverse) "Please sync oolite 1.65-6 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162693
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #162695 in rhythmbox (main) "will not play audio from library after changing location to new network folder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162695
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #162692 in eel2 (main) "[Merge] eel2 2.20.0-2ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162692
[17:50] <ubotu> New bug: #162696 in openoffice.org2 (main) "Presentation will not open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162696
[18:02] <bdmurray> ogasawara: can you add me to 45507 and set it to green?
[18:02] <bdmurray> or let me know when you are done
[18:02] <ogasawara> bdmurray: yup
[18:03] <bdmurray> ogasawara: are you using editmoin?  I find it much faster for stuff like this
[18:04] <ogasawara> bdmurray: yes, but it sort of annoying having to update the wiki after triaging each bug
[18:05] <bdmurray> ogasawara: yeah, it would be neat if you could script editmoin somehow
[18:09] <ubotu> New bug: #162698 in gnome-network (universe) "Network Manager very erratic, not saving changes, etc." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162698
[18:10] <ogasawara> bdmurray:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/99451
[18:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 99451 in update-manager "update manager fails to complete update (kubuntu, edgy->feisty): missing packages" [Undecided,New]
[18:11] <ogasawara> bdmurray: seems like an old report, in that case do we just want to ask if it's still an issue?
[18:12] <bdmurray> ogasawara: yeah, I could plop in a stock reply if you want to see what it looks like
[18:12] <ogasawara> bdmurray: that'd be great, go ahead
[18:12] <bdmurray> ogasawara: done
[18:13] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I'll update the wiki for you
[18:14] <ogasawara> damn, you're quick
[18:14] <bdmurray> indeed
[18:16] <bdmurray> ogasawara: have I mentioned that sending attachments via e-mail to a bug report doesn't work?
[18:16] <ogasawara> bdmurray: nope
[18:17] <bdmurray> okay, well that is probably what happened with bug 150358
[18:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 150358 in update-manager "Preparing upgrade to gutys freeze fetching files at 77 of 78" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150358
[18:20] <ubotu> New bug: #162700 in eclipse-pydev (universe) "package eclipse-pydev-gcj 1.2.5-2 failed to install/upgrade: le sous-processus post-removal script a retourn? une erreur de sortie d'?tat 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162700
[18:23] <ubotu> New bug: #162701 in pidgin (main) "pidgin freezes while typing a message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162701
[18:23] <ubotu> New bug: #162704 in flac (main) "[Feisty] update of xmms-flac disables plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162704
[18:23] <ubotu> New bug: #162705 in nautilus (main) "different wallpapers on each desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162705
[18:23] <ubotu> New bug: #162706 in samba (main) "smb.conf resolve order messes up Nautilus" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162706
[18:24] <bdmurray> bug 71028 is interesting
[18:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 71028 in update-manager "Malformed Apt Source Causes Segfault in Synaptic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/71028
[18:25] <bdmurray> paulduf: you confirmed that one right?
[18:26] <bdmurray> I'm not able to reproduce it on Gutsy if I understand the bug correctly
[18:26] <ogasawara> bdmurray: what team do we assign update-manager bugs to?
[18:26] <bdmurray> ogasawara: when they are confirmed or triaged?
[18:26] <ogasawara> bdmurray: triaged
[18:27] <bdmurray> ogasawara: assignment isn't necessary - the kernel team is just special that way
[18:27] <ogasawara> bdmurray: ah
[18:32] <ace_suares> hi all... is this hug day ?
[18:33] <bdmurray> ace_suares: A mini hug day - we are specifically focusing on update-manager bug reports
[18:34] <ace_suares> cool - how's it going ?
[18:35] <bdmurray> ace_suares: pretty well you can see the list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20071114
[18:35] <bdmurray> and also look at pretty pictures at http://people.ubuntu.com/~brian/complete-graphs/update-manager/plots/
[18:36] <bdmurray> the 1day graphs are quite impressive
[18:36] <ace_suares> Search for duplicates (and mark if found) or (missing text ?)
[18:38] <ace_suares> wow impressive list....
[18:39] <bdmurray> yeah, we are trying to do some clean up and also get some traction with new tags for update-manager
[18:40] <ace_suares> unfortunately i don't have the time today, and I am also quite new as mmbr of bugsquad, but i'd like to do such a minihugday on kdepim/kmail
[18:40] <ace_suares> someday...
[18:45] <ubotu> New bug: #162708 in ubuntu "Ubuntu working with Google Android" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162708
[18:50] <ubotu> New bug: #162709 in yum (universe) "yum can't load cElementTree module" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162709
[18:52] <pedro_> yum? do we have yum?!
[18:53] <andrea-bs> apt-cache search yum
[18:53] <andrea-bs> yum - Advanced front-end for rpm
[18:53] <pedro_> just saw it, oh gosh
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #162710 in gnome-keyring-manager (main) "Cannot access wireless networks keys when user change is session password." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162710
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #162712 in evolution-data-server (main) "Changing "Show" Catagory in Contacts causes Memo, Calendar & Address Book to crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162712
[19:02] <bdmurray> pedro_: are you updating the wiki?
[19:02] <pedro_> not now, why?
[19:03] <bdmurray> I've looked at a couple of bugs only to find they have already been worked on
[19:03] <pedro_> oh yeah that.. that's probably because i'm not looking to the list in the wiki page..
[19:04] <pedro_> i'm going trough the whole list of bugs in u-m
[19:04] <bdmurray> Oh, well that's good.
[19:05] <pedro_> I'll review my list now and update the wiki
[19:07] <ubotu> New bug: #162714 in compiz (main) "Use opaque resize instead of rectangle resize" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162714
[19:11] <paulduf> Well, I am stopping for now. Good bug day squashing every one!
[19:11] <bdmurray> paulduf: thanks for all of your help!
[19:12] <ogasawara> bdmurray, pedro:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/125796
[19:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125796 in update-manager "Update Manger did not update correctly" [Undecided,New]
[19:12] <pedro_> paulduf: bye thanks !
[19:13] <ogasawara> what do we do again with reports needing translations?
[19:15] <pedro_> ogasawara: 4 months old, I'd mark it as invalid and ask for a new report in english if the bug is still present
[19:16] <pedro_> probably isn't
[19:16] <ogasawara> pedro_: cool thanks.  I just stock replied asking if it's still an issue
[19:16] <bdmurray> blah blah "English is the common language of Ubuntu developers could you please post your error message in English?"
[19:16] <pedro_> cool!
[19:20] <bdmurray> bug 149078 is kind of interesting
[19:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 149078 in update-manager "upgrade tool crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149078
[19:20] <bdmurray> you'll notice that in the head of mainlog it indicates the version of release-upgrade 0.77
[19:21] <bdmurray> which is a bit old so it'd be worthwhile to see if it is still an issue for the reporter
[19:21] <bdmurray> I think I neglected to document where to find the version of release-upgrader
[19:22] <bdmurray> Is that information helpful?
[19:24] <bdmurray> keescook: can you comment on bug 161888?
[19:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 161888 in update-manager "upgrade to gutsy requires user to make poor security choice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/161888
[19:26] <keescook> bdmurray: checking...
[19:27] <keescook> bdmurray: sure, confirm, wishlist, assign mvo?  I think that falls into the "don't teach bad habits" goal I have.
[19:28] <bdmurray> keescook: what would a solution be?
[19:28] <keescook> bdmurray: had update-manager not store its downloaded self in a weird location.  :)
[19:28] <keescook> s/had/have/
[19:32] <bdmurray> writing a clue file for 'dpkg --reconfigure -a' might be interesting
[19:32]  * bdmurray does it
[19:51] <ubotu> New bug: #162716 in ubuntu "FIREFOX" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162716
[19:51] <bdmurray> ubotu makes me sad
[19:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about makes me sad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:57] <bdmurray> or better would be 'dpkg --configure -a' for the clue file
[19:58] <bdmurray> silly me
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #162717 in ubuntu "desktop multiplier restarts computer over and over and doesn't detect settings right, causes crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162717
[20:02] <bdmurray> okay, I'm out for lunch - bbiab
[20:15] <lifeless> viao
[20:22] <ubotu> New bug: #162718 in ktorrent (main) "ktorrent crashes for no aparent reason" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162718
[20:26] <ubotu> New bug: #162719 in ubuntu "In GUTSY, unchecking Enable System Beep not completely working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162719
[20:26] <ubotu> New bug: #162720 in gtranslator (universe) "Cannot save if there is a space in directory name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162720
[20:27] <bdmurray> anybody else seen "WARNING no activity on terminal" messages?
[20:28] <bdmurray> for the update-manager bugs
[20:31] <bdmurray> heh
[20:31] <bdmurray> "I know you
[20:31] <bdmurray> probably have this inherent sense of things but your operating system kicks
[20:31] <bdmurray> serious ass."
[20:31] <bdmurray> from a reply from a bug today
[20:31] <IntuitiveNipple> I wish it'd kick a few more bugs into touch, too :p
[20:41] <ubotu> New bug: #162722 in ubuntu "gutsy - system sounds don't work at all" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162722
[20:41] <ubotu> New bug: #162723 in xulrunner-1.9 (universe) "xulrunner-1.9 build leaves orphaned find processes, hangs buildds" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162723
[20:41] <ubotu> New bug: #162724 in ccid (universe) "builtin O2 Micro CCID SC reader not supported" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162724
[20:47] <ubotu> New bug: #162725 in hal (main) "Brightness only works at certain levels with g-p-m due to invalid levels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162725
[20:59] <ubotu> New bug: #162726 in xorg (main) "Xorg Crash when closing screen on clone desktop setup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162726
[21:05] <ubotu> New bug: #162729 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox stores file wrong to ipod" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162729
[21:06] <ubotu> New bug: #162694 in ubuntu "cant install updates or package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162694
[21:06] <ubotu> New bug: #162728 in compiz (main) "[patch] Metacity-like window raise/lower" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162728
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #162730 in compiz (main) "Ugly black border around xterms with compiz" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162730
[21:10] <ubotu> New bug: #162731 in hybserv (universe) "hybserv initscript not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162731
[21:20] <ubotu> New bug: #162735 in compiz (main) "Smart window placement not so smart" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162735
[21:21] <ubotu> New bug: #162734 in ubuntu "Titles very big" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162734
[21:25] <ubotu> New bug: #162736 in dvd+rw-tools (main) "growisofs buffer size does not respect bufsize option" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162736
[21:31] <ubotu> New bug: #162737 in sound-juicer (main) "no sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162737
[21:31] <ubotu> New bug: #162738 in smokeping (universe) "Please sync smokeping 2.2.6-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162738
[21:39] <calc> what is a country that uses arabic?
[21:40]  * calc is checking on bug 126119
[21:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126119 in openoffice.org "I can not change OpenOffice interface to Arabic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126119
[21:40] <calc> i think one of the openoffice.org-l10n-* packages provides it but i don't know which he needs
[21:41] <ubotu> New bug: #162739 in mysql-query-browser (universe) "mysql-query-browser crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_source_view_new()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162739
[21:45] <calc> nm, found the answer from rene
[22:05] <ubotu> New bug: #162744 in gnome-keyring (main) "Changing the user password should also change password for the "login" keyring." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162744
[22:17] <ubotu> New bug: #162727 in baltix (main) "feature-request: splash screen could show random quotes while loading" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162727
[22:21] <ubotu> New bug: #162745 in linux-meta (main) "(gutsy) ATI driver shows movie outside window and overrides other videos" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162745
[22:21] <ubotu> New bug: #162746 in tmw (universe) "Please sync tmw 0.0.23-3  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162746
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #162747 in openoffice.org-amd64 (main) "OpenOffice's calc cannot overwrite files residing on CIFS share" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162747
[22:35] <ubotu> New bug: #162748 in cryptsetup (main) "(gutsy) encrypted linux filesystem issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162748
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #162749 in gst-pulse (universe) "Please sync gst-pulse (main) 0.9.4-2 from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162749
[22:45] <ubotu> New bug: #162750 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "(Gutsy) screens and graphics setup with(out) restricted drivers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162750
[22:50] <ubotu> New bug: #162751 in trayer (universe) "Please sync trayer 1.0-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162751
[22:55] <ubotu> New bug: #162752 in ubuntu "internal error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162752
[23:02] <ubotu> New bug: #162753 in gnump3d (universe) "gnump3d does not list lame as a required or recommended package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162753
[23:26] <ubotu> New bug: #162756 in gtk+2.0 (main) "Cannot login as user after hard crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162756
[23:26] <ubotu> New bug: #162757 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Screen blanks permanently on Toshiba Satellite 1800 during 7.10 Live CD bootup or full installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162757
[23:35] <ubotu> New bug: #162758 in gnome-launch-box (universe) "Please sync gnome-launch-box (universe) 0.2-1 from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162758
[23:45] <ubotu> New bug: #162761 in ubuntu "NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 is hanging up whn using restricted driver " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162761
[23:45] <ubotu> New bug: #162762 in compiz (main) "widget layer is below full-screen windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162762
[23:56] <ubotu> New bug: #162742 in exaile "[gutsy-backport-request] Please backport exaile 0.2.11" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162742