[18:34] <Coastside> Looking for help with Ubuntu server 7x... new to linux os's so go easy, I'm linux iliterate...
[18:36] <Coastside> Just installed yesterday for first time and wondering if there is a good gui available to simplify apache2, DNS and FTP servers
[18:36] <Coastside> I configured gnome for OS gui, but thats all
[21:47] <ubuntu1337> :)
[21:47] <soundray> ubuntu1337: how old is your mum's computer exactly?
[21:47] <soundray> Actually, roughly will be good enough :)
[21:50] <ubuntu1337> soundray
[21:50] <ubuntu1337> i do not know
[21:50] <ubuntu1337> we bought it used a couple years ago, i believe
[21:50] <ubuntu1337> i would estimate... 4 years
[21:51] <soundray> ubuntu1337: okay, so a few years. I think it could be very useful to dual-boot it with Ubuntu -- just forget about the effects thing.
[21:51] <soundray> Too late, dang :)
[22:02] <ubuntu1337> What is this?
[22:05] <soundray> newbee: there you are :)
[22:06] <newbee> soundray: my bad sorry
[22:06] <soundray> newbee: do a 'sudo fdisk -l' in the terminal please
[22:06] <newbee> soundray: yah im here
[22:06] <soundray> newbee: what's the topmost line that says "Linux" under "System"?
[22:06] <OldPink> What an awesome idea, Ubuntu classroom, that's brilliant. I had no idea such a place existed, had to check it out. Been with Linux a year and a half. Persevere with any difficulties, it's the best switch you'll ever make :)
[22:07] <newbee> i didsoundray: i
[22:07] <soundray> newbee: just tell me the device please
[22:07] <newbee> soundray: i did :)
[22:07] <newbee> soundray: then?
[22:07] <soundray> newbee: tell me again please
[22:08] <newbee> soundray: sda2
[22:08] <soundray> newbee: okay, enter 'sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt'. It should come back with a prompt.
[22:09] <soundray> newbee: then enter 'ls' -- do you see items like bin, boot, dev, etc?
[22:09] <soundray> newbee: sry
[22:09] <soundray> newbee: then enter 'ls /mnt' -- do you see items like bin, boot, dev, etc?
[22:10] <newbee> soundray:  when i wrote it says "cant find /dev/sda2/mnt in /etc/fstrab/ or /etc/mtab"
[22:10] <soundray> newbee: you have to be careful and enter *all* the spaces
[22:10] <soundray> newbee: okay, enter 'sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt'.
[22:12] <newbee> soundray: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt nothing happening  i feel like im stupid in here
[22:12] <soundray> newbee: enter 'ls /mnt' -- do you see items like bin, boot, dev, etc?
[22:12] <soundray> newbee: nothing happening is good, usually
[22:13] <newbee> im writng sudo*mount*/dev/sda2*/mnt
[22:13] <newbee> soundray: im writng sudo*mount*/dev/sda2*/mnt
[22:14] <soundray> newbee: silence means success, so everything is good. Go on to the next step: ls /mnt
[22:14] <newbee> soundray: oh yes i can see now :) thanks :)
[22:14] <ubuntu1337> I rather like trolls.
[22:15] <ubuntu1337> I don't think much of naughty irc-ops, though.
[22:15] <newbee> soundray: i can see bin root and etc..
[22:15] <nareshov> newbee, typing "mount" shows you currently mounted file-systems
[22:15] <soundray> newbee: do a 'cd /mnt/boot/grub' now. Silence means success
[22:16] <soundray> nareshov: are you sure this is helpful right now?
[22:16] <nareshov> not sure, carry on. I'll just watch
[22:16] <newbee> soundray: it says "no such file or directory"
[22:16] <nalioth> ubuntu1337: the same rules apply in here, as in #ubuntu
[22:17] <soundray> newbee: what does 'ls /mnt/boot' say? There should be items like vmlinuz-2.6.22-14 etc.
[22:19] <newbee> soundray: it says "vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic
[22:19] <newbee> soundray: it says "vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic"
[22:20] <soundray> newbee: good. Is there also an item called 'grub'?
[22:20] <newbee> i cant see anything  writes grub lately
[22:20] <newbee> soundray: i cant see anything  writes grub lately
[22:22] <soundray> newbee: okay. Please do a 'sudo chroot /mnt bash'. The prompt should now be a # instead of a $. Correct?
[22:22] <newbee> soundray: yyeah
[22:23] <soundray> newbee: now enter 'apt-get install grub'. Any errors?
[22:23] <newbee> soundray: done
[22:23] <newbee> soundray: it says "grab is already new version"
[22:24] <newbee> soundray: no errors
[22:24] <soundray> newbee: okay, we have to force it then: 'apt-get --reinstall install grub'. Any errors?
[22:25] <ubuntu1337> i have major hacking skillz
[22:26] <newbee> soundray: would u put * instead of spaces?
[22:26] <soundray> newbee: okay, we have to force it then: 'apt-get*--reinstall*install*grub'
[22:27] <newbee> soundray: thanks its done now :):)
[22:27] <newbee> soundray: hops
[22:28] <soundray> newbee: we'll soon find out: 'cd    /boot/grub/'
[22:28] <nareshov> (:D)
[22:28] <soundray> I'll put several spaces instead of * -- we might need a * later
[22:28] <newbee> soundray: sorry i miss read .. "reinstallation of grub is not possbile it can not be downloaded
[22:29] <soundray> newbee: how do you chat -- separate computer?
[22:29] <newbee> soundray: no with the same computer
[22:29] <soundray> newbee: with Ubuntu?
[22:29] <newbee> soundray: yeah
[22:30] <soundray> newbee: so it's not a network problem. Open another terminal now and enter 'cd   /mnt/var/cache/apt/archives/'
[22:31] <newbee> soundray: u want me to open a one more terminal? should i close the old one?
[22:31] <soundray> newbee: no, we just need a second one
[22:32] <newbee> soundray: yeah  i did
[22:33] <newbee> soundray: i wrote  ... archives/
[22:33] <soundray> newbee: are you installing the 32bit or 64bit version of ubuntu?
[22:33] <ubuntu1337> 86x
[22:33] <newbee> soundray: im sorry but i ve no idea
[22:34] <newbee> soundray: i guess its 32 bit its a bit old computer
[22:34] <soundray> newbee: type uname -a to be sure -- it says either i386 or x86_64
[22:35] <newbee> i 686
[22:35] <newbee> soundray: i686
[22:35] <soundray> newbee: good
[22:36] <soundray> Now type 'wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/grub/grub_0.97-29ubuntu4_i386.deb'
[22:38] <soundray> newbee: the only space is after wget
[22:39] <newbee> soundray: it says "resolving archive..... "
[22:40] <soundray> newbee: no change?
[22:40] <newbee> soundray: then "can not write to grub_0.97......deb (permission denied)"
[22:41] <soundray> newbee: okay, get the command back with the up arrow, go to the beginning of the line and change it so it says 'sudo   wget   http...' instead of 'wget http...'
[22:42] <newbee> soundray: its done :) downloaded
[22:42] <soundray> :)
[22:43] <soundray> Now 'dpkg   -i   grub_0.97*'
[22:43] <soundray> Any errors?
[22:44] <newbee> soundray:* means space or *?
[22:44] <soundray> newbee: * means *
[22:45] <newbee> soundray: "requested operation requires superuser privilege
[22:45] <newbee> soundray: it says "requested operation requires superuser privilege "
[22:45] <soundray> Okay, we need to do it in the other window.
[22:46] <newbee> soundray: old window or the 3.th one?
[22:46] <soundray> newbee: actually, in the other window, go back to the 'apt-get ...' command with the Up arrow key.
[22:46] <soundray> newbee: and hit return to run it again.
[22:47] <newbee> soundray: i re enter my last command in 1st terminal window as u said apt-get-... reinstall install grub but it cant be downloaded again
[22:48] <ubuntu1337> my advice:
[22:48] <ubuntu1337> pour gasoline on the damn thing and ignite.
[22:49] <ikonia> ubuntu1337: thats not helpful
[22:49] <soundray> newbee: do a 'dpkg    -i   /var/cache/apt/archives/grub_0.97*'
[22:49] <soundray> no sudo this time, as you have a root shell already.
[22:51] <newbee> soundray: no errors last words " setting up grub (0.97-29ubuntu4)
[22:51] <newbee> soundray: no errors last words " setting up grub (0.97-29ubuntu4)"
[22:52] <soundray> Good. Try again 'cd /boot/grub' in the same terminal
[22:53] <newbee> soundray: it says "bash: cd: /boot/grub: no such file or directory"
[22:54] <ubuntu1337> care -_-
[22:55] <soundray> newbee: what do you get from 'update-grub'?
[22:57] <ikonia> you should care
[22:57] <newbee> soundray: when i wrote "update-grub" it says "no grub directory found. to create template run 'mkdir /boot/grub" first to install grub, install it manually or try the 'grub-install'command. and a warning grub-install is used to change ur MBR"
[22:59] <soundray> newbee: okay, that's what we'll do: 'mkdir   /boot/grub'
[22:59] <newbee> soundray: slience scces??
[22:59] <soundray> newbee: yes
[22:59] <newbee> soundray: yes :) then :)
[22:59] <soundray> Now 'grub-install    (hd0)'
[23:00] <newbee> soundray: it says "syntax error near unexpected token 'hd0'"
[23:01] <soundray> Yes... 'grub-install   /dev/sda'
[23:03] <newbee> soundray: it says " /dev/sda not found or not a block device"
[23:04] <soundray> hmm. Try in the other terminal window. We have to change the syntax:
[23:04] <soundray> 'sudo    grub-install   --root-directory=/mnt    /dev/sda'
[23:04] <newbee> soundray: second window? im going to write the same thing?
[23:04] <newbee> soundray: in second window or 1st window?
[23:05] <soundray> newbee: the second, the one with the $ prompt
[23:08] <newbee> soundray: long story appear on screen
[23:09] <soundray> newbee: can you paste it to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org ?
[23:09] <newbee> i cant copy from terminal:(
[23:10] <newbee> soundray: oh i copy it :):):)
[23:10] <soundray> newbee: just highlight the message with the mouse and use the middle button...
[23:10] <soundray> well done. What's the URL?
[23:10] <newbee> soundray: cntl+c dont work  lol it works with button
[23:11] <newbee> soundray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44551/
[23:13] <soundray> Can you check the command again, and make sure that the last part is really /dev/sda
[23:13] <soundray> 'sudo    grub-install   --root-directory=/mnt    /dev/sda'
[23:14] <newbee> soundray: here is the same paste with my command http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44552/
[23:15] <soundray> newbee: it has to be /dev/sda   (not dev/sda)
[23:16] <newbee> soundray: im really feel stupid
[23:16] <soundray> newbee: don't. It takes time to get used to how picky Linux can be :)
[23:16] <newbee> soundray: it says "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
[23:17] <soundray> We'll use the other name then
[23:17] <soundray> 'sudo    grub-install   --root-directory=/mnt    '(hd0)'   '
[23:17] <soundray> You need to enter '(hd0)' with the single ticks
[23:19] <newbee> soundray: can u write it between "    " so i can paste it correctly. i did not know copy paste would work,
[23:20] <soundray> " sudo    grub-install   --root-directory=/mnt    '(hd0)'  "
[23:20] <newbee> soundray: it says "/dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
[23:22] <soundray> newbee: " echo   '(hd0)    /dev/sda'   >/boot/grub/device.map'  "
[23:23] <soundray> After that, get the grub-install command back with the Up arrow key and enter it again
[23:23] <soundray> sorry, mistake
[23:24] <soundray> newbee: " echo   '(hd0)    /dev/sda'   >/boot/grub/device.map  "
[23:25] <newbee> soundray: >  ?
[23:25] <soundray> There was an extra tick in the previous one
[23:26] <newbee> soundray: oh i should not put a tick at the end is it?
[23:26] <soundray> newbee: that's right
[23:26] <newbee> soundray: bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[23:27] <newbee> soundray: bash: it says "syntax error near unexpected token `('"
[23:27] <newbee> soundray:it says " bash:  syntax error near unexpected token `('"
[23:27] <soundray> You do need the ticks before (hd0) and after /dev/sda
[23:28] <newbee> soundray: this is what i wrote "echo '(hd0) /dev/sda' >/boot/grub/device.map'
[23:28] <newbee> > echo '(hd0) /dev/sda' >/boot/grub/device.map
[23:28] <newbee> "
[23:28] <soundray> newbee: something went wrong -- hit Ctrl-C until you get the # prompt again
[23:29] <newbee> soundray this is " ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt/var/cache/apt/archives$ echo '(hd0) /dev/sda' >/boot/grub/device.map
[23:29] <newbee> bash: /boot/grub/device.map: No such file or directory
[23:29] <newbee> ubuntu@ubuntu:/mnt/var/cache/apt/archives$
[23:29] <newbee> "
[23:30] <newbee> soundray: which terminal i should wrote? $ or # =
[23:30] <newbee> ?
[23:30] <soundray> The # one
[23:31] <newbee> soundray: slience success?
[23:31] <soundray> Yes
[23:31] <newbee> soundray: im sorryi was writng at $
[23:31] <newbee> soundray now we ar e ok
[23:32] <soundray> Okay, if the next step doesn't work now, I won't know what to do...
[23:32] <newbee> soundray: i should start to pray god
[23:32] <soundray> At the $ prompt, get the old command back:
[23:32] <newbee> soundray: :):):)
[23:32] <soundray>  " sudo    grub-install   --root-directory=/mnt    '(hd0)'   "
[23:34] <newbee> soundray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44554/
[23:35] <soundray> It's looking good
[23:35] <newbee> soundray: we all done?
[23:36] <soundray> Difficult process though...
[23:36] <soundray> I think you can risk a reboot
[23:36] <soundray> Hold on...
[23:36] <newbee> soundray: its still difficult for me, i ve no idea what amn i doing :):):)
[23:36] <soundray> There is one thing we should check...
[23:37] <newbee> soundray: ok im holding
[23:37] <soundray> At the # prompt:  'ls /boot/grub/menu.lst'
[23:37] <newbee> soundray: with ' ?
[23:38] <soundray> no
[23:39] <newbee> soundray: it says " root@ubuntu:/# ls /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:39] <newbee> ls: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory
[23:39] <newbee> "
[23:39] <soundray> I see... we have to create a boot menu.
[23:40] <newbee> what ?f we failed :):)
[23:40] <soundray> Can you pastebin the output of 'ls   /boot/grub/' please
[23:41] <newbee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44555/
[23:41] <newbee> soundray: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44555/
[23:41] <soundray> Only 'ls /boot/grub/' please
[23:42] <newbee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44556/
[23:43] <soundray> Okay. Now you should run 'update-grub' at the # prompt. Say 'Y' when it asks you if you want to create a menu.lst
[23:44] <newbee> its done
[23:45] <soundray> newbee: good. If you reboot now, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to boot into Ubuntu.
[23:46] <soundray> newbee: see if there is a menu entry for Windows as well. If not, that can be added. Ask in #ubuntu again for how to do that.
[23:46] <newbee> soundray: what if it wont open. i dont care about if it open or not anymore. i want to thank u later  thousands times  cuz u really helpfull i feel myself i dunno how to thank
[23:46] <newbee> soundray: i want it open cuz i dont want to lose u , u really good friend
[23:47] <soundray> newbee: don't worry about it, it was a good challenge
[23:47] <newbee> soundray: im afraid if my pc wont open i will not be able to onlline for today and i wont be able to see u again
[23:47] <newbee> soundray: ok thanks alot for all the things
[23:48] <soundray> Of course I'm not a 100% sure that it'll boot now, but I'll hang around for a few minutes to see if you log in again. Okay?
[23:48] <newbee> soundray: i hope so, its pretty late in here. if it wont open i will go to sleep
[23:48] <soundray> I see, where are you?
[23:49] <newbee> soundray: turkey its 2am
[23:49] <newbee> soundray: izmir  where re u?
[23:49] <soundray> newbee: okay -- good night if I don't see you. Near London, England (23.49 here)
[23:50] <newbee> soundray: if u mid i can give u my msn adress, i dunno how to but maybe oneday i will have a chance to thank u :)
[23:50] <s1024kb> Good morning everyone! I am from China, a new member here
[23:51] <soundray> newbee: I'm not on MSN. Let's see now if I have really helped you :)
[23:51] <newbee> soundray: ok. but before i go i want to ask u something
[23:52] <soundray> Yes?
[23:52] <newbee> soundray: u know all the codes? or u looking from anywhere?
[23:53] <soundray> Most of what I told you I know because I've used these methods to fix problems of my own. But if you're looking for ways to solve problems, the Ubuntu forums and wiki are really useful.
[23:54] <soundray> I've installed Ubuntu about 30 times on very different systems
[23:55] <newbee> soundray: oh, u should be a rocket scientist lol, the codes are really hard to use. im sure i will need help for second time, im sure i will need help even if im installing for 102nt time :):)
[23:55] <soundray> And I started using grub when it was not released yet
[23:55] <soundray> I'm a brain scientist by day :)
[23:56] <newbee> whatever i keep u busy so long. thanks alot for the help now im going to boot my pc
[23:56] <soundray> Good luck!
[23:56] <newbee> i hope it will work
[23:56] <newbee> thanks alot again and again
[23:56] <newbee> take care
[23:56] <soundray> Me too