[14:55] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: GGLD was his choice
[14:55]  * elkbuntu spanks herself and keeps an eye on the nz'er at the top of the who list
[14:56] <Tm_T> ubuntulog: welcome
[15:00] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, GGLD? what on earth was the other g for?
[15:00] <Tm_T> maybe grand?
[15:01] <Tm_T> or, golden
[15:01] <elkbuntu> or gigalo i suppose
[15:01] <Tm_T> that too
[15:13] <elkbuntu> anyway, g'nite
[15:13] <Pici> goodnight!
[18:31] <ikonia> Myrtti: thank you !
[18:34] <Tm_T> ?
[18:36] <Myrtti> just the normal discussion about "there's nothing wrong with saying foo"
[18:36] <ikonia> still arguing over it
[18:38] <Tm_T> hah
[18:38] <Tm_T> Myrtti: where?
[18:38] <Myrtti> u
[18:38]  * Tm_T checks
[18:40] <ikonia> little kids want to argue
[18:43] <Myrtti> I just love CoC, btw
[18:43] <Tm_T> I love LCoC
[18:43] <ikonia> I thought it was too restrictive at first, but I've really come to appriciate the value it adds
[18:43] <Myrtti> it made me Ubuntu user, kept me as a Ubuntu user and will have my heart
[18:44] <Tm_T> Myrtti: can I get the soul then?
[18:44] <ikonia> this guy is becoming a pain
[18:44]  * Tm_T is harvester of eyes
[18:44] <Myrtti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[18:44] <Myrtti> ikonia: did you give him that one?
[18:45] <ikonia> yes - its not specific to this channel blah blah
[18:45] <Myrtti> should I bring him here?
[18:45] <ikonia> yes, he's getting annyoying now
[18:46] <ikonia> "I dared to reprmand him on rules that don't exist" apprantly
[18:46] <Tm_T> yay, let's tear him down!
[18:46] <tritium> I've about had enough...
[18:46] <crdlb> I don't see it ending well...
[18:46] <Tm_T> crdlb: but he got what he wanted atleast, attention and care
[18:47] <ikonia> now he's claiming I insulted him
[18:48] <Myrtti> now, this is the "other venue"
[18:49] <Myrtti> where should we start... lets see now
[18:49] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I take the red corner!
[18:49] <Myrtti> pft
[18:50] <Myrtti> bubuq: your discussion started to disturb the ontopic discussion, so lets move it over here.
[18:51] <bubuq> Myrtti: I have left the channel already, and have nothing to add.
[18:51] <Myrtti> there's plenty of traffic there already to make the discussion hard to follow for IRC newbies wanting help for their spesific ubuntu problems
[18:51] <bubuq> so no one is disturbed any longer
[18:51] <Tm_T> I am
[18:52] <Myrtti> so am I
[18:52] <tritium> As am I, bubuq 
[18:52] <bubuq> ok, beat me now, every body
[18:52] <Tm_T> no, not beating
[18:52] <Myrtti> no, I'm just trying to undestand
[18:53] <tritium> We've been quite patient with you, actually.
[18:53] <bubuq> NOW, what did I do?
[18:53] <Myrtti> because if there's something wrong with the rules that makes them hard to undestand, they need to be fixed
[18:53] <bubuq> oh yes
[18:53] <Myrtti> so please, do tell us, what part escaped you
[18:53] <bubuq> there is one thing fundamentally wrong with the rules
[18:54] <bubuq> the one is that there no rules
[18:54] <bubuq> not in the topic
[18:54] <bubuq> not in the server greeting
[18:54] <Myrtti> well the server greeting is a thing of it's own
[18:54] <Myrtti> Ubuntu doesn't own freenode
[18:54] <bubuq> and not eagerly given by those enforcing them.
[18:55] <bubuq> wel it should be somewhere then
[18:55] <ikonia> bubuq: I gave them to you 
[18:55] <bubuq> no you did not.
[18:55] <ikonia> the links are listed in the topic
[18:55] <ikonia> I even pasted one to you
[18:56] <bubuq> no link in the topic addresses the issues of channel policies.
[18:56] <Myrtti> /me checks the topic once again
[18:56] <ikonia> it addresses behaviour and the ubuntu code of coduct
[18:56] <Tm_T> CoC is base rule
[18:57] <ikonia> apparantly thats not enough
[18:57] <bubuq> I didn't violate CoC.
[18:57] <Myrtti> I love it, I've signed it with my pgp-key, it's made me a Ubuntu person, and enforcing it as the ground rules will keep me as such.
[18:58] <ikonia> bubuq: what ever, I'm bored of this now, I asked you to not use rude or offensive lanague which WTF, OMFG etc etc is
[18:58] <bubuq> I was respectful, considerate, and collaborative.
[18:58] <ikonia> you can either accept that, thats not polite or you can not, I don't care
[18:58] <ikonia> your trolling now as you know you used rude langauge
[18:58] <ikonia> and instead of saying, oops sorry I didn't know, you want to row about it
[18:59] <ikonia> lets cut to the chase, thats the bottom of it
[18:59] <bubuq> yes, since I didn't know, and I still don't know, as this is not written anywhere.
[18:59] <ikonia> instead of saying "I didn't know" you want to row
[18:59] <Tm_T> !omg
[18:59] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[18:59] <bubuq> and most definitely, I am not sorry.
[18:59] <Myrtti> you were told that that abbreviation was not accepted
[19:00] <Myrtti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[19:00] <tritium> bubuq: then you are certainly not respectful or considerate, either
[19:00] <bubuq> I never say "lol"
[19:00] <Myrtti> note the part "Language and Subject"
[19:00] <ikonia> now your just being a troll
[19:00] <ikonia> I've lost interest
[19:00] <Myrtti> ikonia: just let it pass
[19:01] <ikonia> I spoke to you politly and requested you stopped using offensive abbevitations
[19:01] <ikonia> yes, I've lost interest now
[19:01] <Myrtti> we have it
[19:01] <ikonia> he can accept it or not
[19:01] <Myrtti> oooh, Heroes
[19:01] <Myrtti> /me plugs her dvb-t on
[19:01] <bubuq> ikonia: I explained that abbreviation was not offensive
[19:02] <bubuq> I didn't use any swear words
[19:02] <tritium> bubuq: you do not control what is offensive to others.
[19:02] <tritium> abbreviated foul language is offensive to some, whether or not you like it.
[19:02] <bubuq> I am sorry that you chose to decipher my abbreviation in a way that offended you
[19:03] <tritium> take responsibility for your own actions
[19:03] <bubuq> I take full responsibility for everything I do or say.
[19:03] <tritium> then take responsibility for the consequences
[19:03] <bubuq> but I can't take responsibility for misinterpretation of my words.
[19:04] <ikonia> bubuq: what did it mean ?
[19:04] <tritium> there was no misinterpretation.  it is a commonly-used abbr.
[19:04]  * ikonia waits why something inoffensive is fantasised up
[19:04] <bubuq> it means that every abbreviation, being such, has a handful of ways to be spelled out
[19:04] <ikonia> bubuq: no - what did your omfg mean ?
[19:05] <ikonia> what did it stand for ?
[19:05] <bubuq> Ontario Mega Finance Group, for example
[19:05] <Myrtti> ok
[19:05]  * ikonia returns to the real world
[19:05] <Myrtti> let me tell you what I think
[19:06] <Myrtti> I think you were bored
[19:06] <Myrtti> and had nothing else to do but to argue the issue over just for the fun of it
[19:06] <Myrtti> now there's *counts*
[19:06] <Myrtti> tritium, ikonia, me and Tm_T who've been following the discussion
[19:06] <bubuq> Myrtti: you say I was bored, and I said I was insulted. 
[19:07] <Myrtti> keeping us from doing what is far more important than this petty fight
[19:07] <bubuq> I have many other things to do now, both more urgent and exiting than this
[19:08] <Myrtti> to be honest, if you were insulted, then there's plenty of those people around
[19:08] <Myrtti> including myself and the rest of us
[19:08] <tritium> bubuq: by your own words, if you were insulted, it was your "misinterpretation"
[19:08] <Myrtti> so I'm not feeling that sympatethic over the issue
[19:08] <tritium> And you suggest that was should not be responsible for such a thing
[19:08] <tritium> So why even mention that you were insulted?
[19:09] <tritium> Your philosophy is that it's your problem to deal with, and not ourrs.
[19:09] <tritium> ours*
[19:09] <bubuq> tritium: perhaps, but now we have found out that I indeed interpeted it right, and you really wanted me to shut up.
[19:09] <ikonia> _b
[19:09] <tritium> bubuq: no, we found out nothing
[19:09] <ikonia> +b
[19:10] <bubuq> tritium: to explain myself being off-topic.
[19:10] <bubuq> just ban me, alright
[19:10] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[19:10] <ikonia> you heard the man
[19:10] <PriceChild> ikonia, please don't enflame the situation
[19:11] <ikonia> undetstood, just tedious 
[19:11] <PriceChild> bubuq, You've stated earlier you have better things to be doing. I suggest you go off and do those to calm down. I think things have been blown out of proportion here.
[19:12] <bubuq> PriceChild: I appreciate you advice, but would really like to decide myself what to do.  Unless kb-ed, of course.
[19:13] <PriceChild> I would prefer it doesn't get to that.
[19:14] <bubuq> I'll try to be on-topic now.  Where would I look for help with WiFi on 7.10?
[19:15] <Myrtti> at #ubuntu
[19:22] <Myrtti> bubuq: anything else we might assist you with?
[19:22] <Myrtti> relating the irc channels?
[19:59] <Myrtti> bubuq: hello?
[20:15] <Myrtti> hrmmm
[20:16] <Tm_T> Myrtti: like to have some reading?
[20:16] <Tm_T> about argumentation
[20:16] <Myrtti> I've got plenty to read, thanks
[20:16] <Myrtti> python basics
[20:16] <Tm_T> roger
[20:46] <Myrtti> I wonder
[20:46] <Myrtti> /alias csremove msg chanserv op $C $N;/wait 50;/quote remove $C $0 :$1-;/msg chanserv op $C -$N
[20:46] <Myrtti> was that the way I fixed my alias?
[20:47] <Myrtti> though it wasn't this channel... 
[20:47] <Myrtti> doh
[21:03] <ompaul> LjL, you about?
[21:03] <LjL> ompaul, YES
[21:03] <LjL> caps unintended
[21:03] <ompaul> LjL, care not about caps we got something to have a giggle about 
[21:03] <ompaul> one pm
[21:04] <ompaul> LjL, fan boy went mad - ompaul went larting
[21:04] <LjL> ompaul: yesterday's spamming guy, i assume?
[21:04] <Myrtti> bubuq: still around?
[21:04] <ompaul> yah
[21:05] <LjL> ompaul: it must be overzealous fanboys season, i've got another one in mind too :)
[21:05] <ompaul> hehe
[21:06] <ompaul> LjL, what size was that stick I used - okay - or a little heavy?
[21:07] <Gary> ompaul, what ya do?
[21:07] <Gary> erm, in english - " ompaul, what did you do?"
[21:07] <LjL> ompaul: depends on the general bon ton of that mailing list i suppose... but it doesn't seem that bad to me, it's a bit provocative but in a positive way
[21:08] <ompaul> LjL, good it was on target
[21:08] <bubuq> Myrtti: moi
[21:09] <Myrtti> bubuq: see topic
[21:09] <Gary> ompaul, I liked it
[21:10] <bubuq> Myrtti: it seems that I am not welcome even when I am silent
[21:10] <Myrtti> bubuq: is there anything else we could help you with?
[21:11] <ompaul> Gary, okay, seems I was not a million miles away from whatever it needs to be on target then
[21:12] <Gary> this is not a channel for idleing in...
[21:13] <Tm_T> ompaul: what this giggling is? I could use that too
[21:14] <ompaul> Gary, you tell him ;-) in fact you can tell the channel - I thought it might have been a tad whatever
[21:15] <Tm_T> hey not not when bubuq is here ;)
[21:15]  * Gary idles
[21:17] <bubuq> Myrtti: 16 minutes passed with everybody idle, and only I was the offender?
[21:17] <Myrtti> ok, you fellas have more experience with this
[21:17] <Myrtti> I hand it to you, sil vous plait
[21:18] <ompaul> bubuq, the kind people are asking you to leave nicely
[21:18] <ompaul> bubuq, they can and will remove you, it would be better to be on friendly terms methinks
[21:19] <bubuq> I see how friendly people are here
[21:19] <bubuq> I hope to never see you again
[21:19] <Myrtti> bubuq: we've tried to discuss the issue with you
[21:19] <ompaul> well I guess I have to help you there
[21:19] <Myrtti> we do not seem to reach a common ground on the issue, you feel hurt and so do we
[21:19] <Gary> yay
[21:19] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[21:20] <Myrtti> I just hate it when that happens
[21:20] <Gary> I fink you is all frewndly
[21:20] <Myrtti> I hate leaving things unfinished
[21:20] <ompaul> Myrtti, was that your desired outcome?
[21:20] <Myrtti> I just wish he would've seen our point of view
[21:21] <Myrtti> but I guess one can't have it all
[21:22] <Gary> yeah, but how many attempts to fix it do you give?
[21:22] <Myrtti> n-1
[21:22] <Myrtti> I just love bashing my head to the brick wall
[21:23] <Tm_T> I wonder why I don't feel that way
[21:23] <Tm_T> and I prolly do it harder =)
[21:23] <Gary> Myrtti, if you like that, come work for my company
[21:24] <Myrtti> /me is feeling blue
[21:24] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[21:24] <Tm_T> tsing tsing
[21:24] <Tm_T> oo whattodoo
[21:25] <Myrtti> fix my mod_rewwrite rules?
[21:25] <Tm_T> I know nothing about that stuff
[21:25] <Myrtti> I know about zilch about the issu...
[21:25] <Myrtti> hrmph
[21:26]  * jussio1 hand Myrtti a Sunlight lamp...
[21:26] <Tm_T> jussio1: trying to blind her?
[21:26] <jussio1> no, shes feeling blue... darkness etc....
[21:26] <Gary> it's probably S.A.D
[21:27] <Gary> I get S.A.D too
[21:27] <Tm_T> jussio1: bright light after darkness is blinding
[21:27] <Myrtti> that, not enough vitamins and a ******-up life
[21:27] <Myrtti> except work, that I'm happy with
[21:27] <Myrtti> and health
[21:27] <Tm_T> Myrtti: cheer up, say cheerio!
[21:28]  * jussio1 hugs Myrtti ... there there...
[21:28] <Myrtti> one has to be optimistic
[21:28] <Myrtti> two months ago everything was a mess
[21:28] <Tm_T> I'm not
[21:29] <jussio1> Myrtti: If you are ever in Oulu Ill buy you a beer, or cider or whatever... 
[21:30] <Tm_T> jussio1: something pink and fluffy
[21:30] <jussio1> lol
[21:30] <Tm_T> seriously
[21:30] <Myrtti> Tm_T: <3
[21:30] <jussio1> ummm... am I missing something?
[21:30]  * Tm_T blushes and hides
[21:30] <Tm_T> jussio1: yes, me
[21:30] <Tm_T> ->
[21:31] <Myrtti> http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=Myrtti&image_id=65887226
[21:32] <Myrtti> yup, that's me
[21:33] <jussio1> Myrtti: ahh, something pink and fluffy... a cocktail with a pink fluffy straw? ;)
[21:35] <Gary> awww, Myrtti is sweet - this is me, the human, not the doggy - http://www.gaygeeks.org.uk/images/GazzaK.png
[21:39] <ompaul> Gary, we could not have guessed ;-)
[21:39] <ompaul> thank you for the clue
[21:39]  * ompaul runs
[21:39] <Gary> well, people say I am very cute, but who is the ugly bloke with blond hair next to me....
[21:40] <ompaul> haha
[21:40] <Gary> so I was trying to head ya off
[21:40] <ompaul> Mr K I should have known you would have such a comment
[21:40] <Gary> :-)
[21:40] <ompaul> and just for laughs if you have not seen it for a long time http://jonathanscorner.com/writings/hacker/hacker.html
[21:40] <Gary> wooo five minutes till my highly naughty download of a film finishes
[21:41] <Myrtti> http://myrtti.blogspot.com/2007/03/paluu-bloggaajaksi.html go ahead and guess which I've made for myself
[21:42] <ompaul> Myrtti, before I look at that - something?
[21:42] <Gary> not the bunny ear hat?
[21:42] <Myrtti> ompaul: plenty
[21:43] <Myrtti> Gary: wear it every day 
[21:43] <ompaul> Myrtti, it seems to be /.ed
[21:43] <Myrtti> google is
[21:43] <Gary> Myrtti, I want one :p
[21:43] <Myrtti> sorry, not taking orders
[21:43] <Myrtti> before I finish the Tux-scarf
[21:44] <ikonia> tux-scarf !
[21:44] <ikonia> wow
[21:45]  * mc44 adds bunny ear hat to his Myrtti mittens order
[21:46] <ompaul> Myrtti, google cache :) you knitter you 
[21:46] <tonyyarusso> who here's good with epiphany?
[21:47] <crdlb> the browser? :)
[21:48] <tonyyarusso> yes
[21:49] <mc44> oh, I'm only good at the big moments of revelation :)
[21:49]  * crdlb is a loyal ephy user
[21:49] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[21:49] <ikonia> standby on troll/flood from lol_cats in #ubuntu
[21:50] <tonyyarusso> crdlb: I'm wondering if I can make it so I can type "w:Computer" in the address bar and go to the wikipedia page, etc., like smart bookmarks, but shortcuts in the addy bar.
[21:50] <Tm_T> ikonia: gone
[21:50] <ikonia> yup
[21:51] <ikonia> I expected a fight after he said "I dun care, I have no friends"
[21:51] <crdlb> tonyyarusso: well you can add additional entries to the gray bar where it says "Search the web"
[21:51] <ikonia> nice to be wrong about people for once
[21:51] <tonyyarusso> crdlb: that's so clunky though, scrolling down.  I want to be able to just type it straight.
[21:51] <crdlb> press Up :)
[21:51] <tonyyarusso> g: for google, w: for wikipedia, u: for that new Ubuntu search thing, whatever.
[21:52] <crdlb> there might be an extension for it
[21:52]  * tonyyarusso hasn't found one
[21:52] <tonyyarusso> there's a bit of a dearth of extensions in ephy land
[21:52] <crdlb> try #epiphany on gimpnet for a definitive answer :)
[21:53] <tonyyarusso> hmm, ok
[21:53] <ikonia> crdlb: thanks for the info on the compiz stuff last night, most interesting
[21:54] <ikonia> forgot to say thanks as I was losing concentration
[21:54] <crdlb> np :)
[21:54] <tonyyarusso> crdlb: uh, that's an empty channel
[21:54] <tonyyarusso> wait, nvm
[21:54]  * tonyyarusso ponders multi-server stuff in irssi
[21:55] <crdlb> /connect irc.gnome.org
[21:55] <tonyyarusso> yeah, got that - I thought it switched the "active" automatically after connect, which it doesn't.
[21:55] <crdlb> ah :)
[22:02] <Myrtti> I'm bound to hate apache
[22:02] <tonyyarusso> awww, why?
[22:02] <Myrtti> I dunno what I'm doing wrong with my wordpress, but I can't get the permalink structure right
[22:03] <tonyyarusso> :(
[22:03] <tonyyarusso> I have some experience there - what's happening?
[22:03] <Myrtti> just a bunch of 404's
[22:04] <tonyyarusso> can you still get to your admin page?
[22:04] <tonyyarusso> were you setting your permalinks from the web interface or mucking with .htaccess directly?
[22:04] <Myrtti> yeah, I can access it
[22:04] <Myrtti> and I've tried both
[22:05]  * tonyyarusso brings up his stie
[22:05] <tonyyarusso> *site
[22:05] <tonyyarusso> what format are you trying to do?
[22:05] <Myrtti> date and name based
[22:06] <Myrtti> http://myrtti.fi
[22:08] <tonyyarusso> Okay, so on wp-admin/options-permalink.php, you've selected "Date and name based" from the "Common options"?
[22:09] <Myrtti> yup
[22:09] <ubotu> wraund called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()
[22:11] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: does your host support .htaccess?
[22:11] <tonyyarusso> oh sad, you get REAL 404s, not WP ones.
[22:11] <Myrtti> yup
[22:11] <Myrtti> *sigh*
[22:12] <tonyyarusso> wait, are you hosting this yourself, like in your basement?
[22:12] <Myrtti> nope, well, sorta
[22:12] <Myrtti> virtual server
[22:12] <Myrtti> :->
[22:12] <tonyyarusso> do you have root access to the box to mess with the apache config?
[22:12] <Myrtti> tonyyarusso: puhleeze, of course I do
[22:12] <Myrtti> :-D
[22:13] <Myrtti> I'm just totally clueless with this
[22:13]  * tonyyarusso isn't entirely sure it's doing AllowOverride and AccessFileName right
[22:13] <tonyyarusso> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/howto/htaccess.html if you need references
[22:14] <ubotu> DShepherd called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[22:15] <Myrtti> that's just hilarious
[22:15] <Myrtti> made my evening again
[22:17] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: could you pastebin your apache config?
[22:20] <Myrtti> sure
[22:22] <Myrtti> http://myrtti.fi/apache2.conf
[22:23] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: and an ls of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
[22:25] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44546/
[22:25] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[22:26] <Myrtti> isn't there something missing there
[22:26] <Myrtti> *pokes Apache manual*
[22:26]  * tonyyarusso waits for it to load
[22:29] <Myrtti> there's no conf file
[22:29] <tonyyarusso> hrm?
[22:30] <Myrtti> there's php5.conf and php5.load
[22:30] <Myrtti> etc
[22:30] <Myrtti> but no rewrite.conf
[22:31] <tonyyarusso> ah
[22:31] <tonyyarusso> yes
[22:31] <tonyyarusso> sudo a2modenable rewrite, iirc
[22:31] <Pici> a2enmod rewrite methinks
[22:31] <Myrtti> that's dapper, folks
[22:32] <Myrtti> This module is already enabled! *sigh*
[22:35] <tonyyarusso> When did Ubuntu stop giving audible bells for low battery?!?
[22:36] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, when your battery ran out
[22:36] <jdong> when did Ubuntu start doing that?
[22:36] <jdong> that's a BIOS feature
[22:36] <jdong> take it up with your last BIOS update ;-)
[22:36] <tonyyarusso> It did in previous releases I though
[22:36] <Pici> When you muted your sound?
[22:36] <tonyyarusso> I've never had a BIOS update
[22:36] <tonyyarusso> maybe I hit a configuration thing sometime
[22:36]  * tonyyarusso notes to go look
[22:36] <jdong> perhaps
[22:36] <jdong> or you might've muted the PC speaker's channel
[22:37] <tonyyarusso> I still get beeps from IRC
[22:37] <jussio1> hmmm, anyone feel like reminding me how to see file attributes from the command line? (ie filesize etc...) 
[22:37] <jdong> ls -al
[22:37] <Myrtti> ls -la?
[22:37] <Pici> ls alalala
[22:38] <jdong> alh for more human parseable sizes
[22:38] <jdong> (1) Reboot into Vista (2) open My Computer.....
[22:38] <Pici> ugh
[22:38] <jdong> haha
[22:38] <jussio1> jdong: rofl
[22:38] <tonyyarusso> -h
[22:39] <Pici> I hate windows.  I tried to sort a CD by filesize the other day and it gave me headers like Big, Medium, Small, Tiny.  And the files under each header werent even sorted.
[22:39] <tonyyarusso> lol
[22:40] <jussio1> hmmm,heres a harder one..., is it possible to see the insides of a tar.gz with out untar-ing it from the cli?
[22:40] <Pici> a portable xray?
[22:40] <jussio1> Pici: ha... ha... ha..
[22:40] <tonyyarusso> Not sure.  I now how to cat a gzipped text file, but not a tarred one.
[22:41] <Pici> I was just going to know to do that
[22:41] <Pici> er, say how to do that.
[22:41] <Pici> your know/now confused me
[22:41] <Seveas> jussio1, tar ztf foo.tar.gz will show you the filenames
[22:41] <jussio1> Seveas: you rock! thanks
[22:42] <Seveas> actually, in ubuntu you don't even need the z 
[22:42] <tonyyarusso> Our friendly Ubuntu Certified Professional is good for something after all!
[22:42]  * ajmitch is certifiable, for sure
[22:42] <Myrtti> I'm giving up
[22:42] <Tm_T> ajmitch: yes but for what, anchor?
[22:42] <Myrtti> it's too late
[22:42] <jussio1> ajmitch: cerifiably insane?
[22:42] <jussio1> :P
[22:43] <ompaul> zcat rocks your world
[22:43] <jussio1> oh mo, not again...
[22:43] <ajmitch> jussio1: of course
[22:43] <jussio1> :)
[22:43]  * jussio1 decides to follow Myrtti's example and go to bed...
[22:44] <jussio1> ie. give up...
[22:45] <ikonia> troll arert in ubuntu
[22:46] <ikonia> asymptote in #ubuntu
[22:47] <ikonia> guys anyone awake, he's being a total pain
[22:47] <stdin> ikonia: he's messing with nalioth, won't take long...
[22:47] <nalioth> ikonia: i was talking to him
[22:47] <Tm_T> nalioth: you watched really close I see :)
[22:47] <ikonia> Seveas: best response of the day 
[22:47] <ikonia> you just beat Myrtti with the response
[22:47] <Myrtti> Seveas takes all the fun away
[22:47] <ikonia> nalioth: ahhh in channel or pm ?
[22:48] <nalioth> ikonia: in the channel
[22:48] <ikonia> nalioth: sorry, I didn't see you at all
[22:48] <ikonia> nalioth: very odd that I didn't see your name once, sorry
[22:49] <Myrtti> /me sits and waits
[22:50]  * Tm_T stands on his head
[22:51]  * nalioth slides Tm_T into the carbonite chamber
[22:51] <OldPink> Seveas: Why the ban at #ubuntu-offtopic?
[22:51] <Tm_T> :)
[22:51] <Tm_T> OldPink: can you be fluffy too?
[22:51] <Seveas> hi OldPink 
[22:52] <Myrtti> Tm_T: shush
[22:52] <Seveas> the ban was for evading the mute, the mute was for misbehaving
[22:52] <OldPink> Tm_T: Fluffy? :P
[22:52] <Myrtti> he's teasing me
[22:53]  * Tm_T hides
[22:53] <OldPink> Seveas: Yeah. I was just calming Snuxoll for overusing ubotu, like !wtf when I deliberately used that to avoid cussing?
[22:53] <OldPink> And generally overdoing it
[22:53] <Myrtti> /me grabs her polarbear teddy dressed up in pink and hurumphs to the bed
[22:54] <Tm_T> Myrtti: no koala?
[22:54] <OldPink> I wasn't evading
[22:54] <OldPink> If I was evading, I would have used a different name, or hidden my IP, even
[22:54] <OldPink> I tried to resolve it with you via PM, 
[22:55] <OldPink> and used the "evasion" to contact you to see how long the ban was
[22:55] <OldPink> And argue against if permanent 
[22:55] <Tm_T> .
[22:55] <OldPink> If you'd replied, I wouldn't have had done that, even if you'd said a week, or a month or something huge.
[22:55] <Seveas> well, the evading by using a web irc client did lengthen it
[22:55] <Myrtti> Tm_T: perhaps my Novell Tux to accompany
[22:56] <OldPink> I didn't know of #ubuntu-ops, you didn't reply to PM/IM thing, it was the only option I saw?
[22:56] <Tm_T> Myrtti: but its not the same
[22:56] <Seveas> OldPink, we generally don't put any times/duration on bans -- that would just help trolls so they know exactly when they can come back 
[22:56] <Seveas> (not accusing you of being a troll)
[22:56] <Myrtti> /me gathers up her N95 and 770 and leaves to be back again in a minute
[22:56] <ompaul> Myrtti, how much is a 770 over the counter up your way?
[22:57] <tonyyarusso> wait, you're sleeping with a teddy bear and a phone?  and a some number I don't recognize?
[22:57] <OldPink> Right. Well I do like ubuntu-offtopic, and if I don't know when I can come back I just, won't. I do think it's unfair about my extension when it was for a fair cause though
[22:57] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: Nokia internet tablet
[22:57] <tonyyarusso> ha!  so you aren't really going offline at all!
[22:58] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: me and Myrtti irc while sleeping, crazy finns indeed
[22:59] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[22:59] <OldPink> ... seveas, did you see that?
[22:59] <Seveas> OldPink, yes
[23:00] <OldPink> Sorry, the name: message layout didn't seem popular in here :S
[23:00] <OldPink> Do you think you could shorten it back to a mute then?
[23:00] <Seveas> OldPink, if you behave from now on I'll even remove the ban
[23:00] <OldPink> Thanks :)
[23:01] <Seveas> so is that a "Yes, I'll behave"?
[23:01] <OldPink> Yes Seveas, I'll behave :) 
[23:01] <Tm_T> :))
[23:01] <Tm_T> Myrtti: ^^
[23:01] <Tm_T> Myrtti: fluffy!
[23:01] <Seveas> excellent, I wish all bans could be resolved this easily
[23:01] <Tm_T> Seveas: me too
[23:02] <OldPink> Seveas: Surely the people who actually deserve to be banned don't appeal them?
[23:02] <Seveas> OldPink, oh if only
[23:03] <mc44> hahaha
[23:03] <Seveas> OldPink, the most annoying trolls appeal the most
[23:03] <OldPink> How do they try and give reason then?
[23:03] <Seveas> that's what we don't understand either :)
[23:03] <Tm_T> it varies, from prays to cries and threats
[23:03] <tonyyarusso> the latter being most amusing :P
[23:04] <OldPink> Weird. I would've thought if it was that important they wouldn't have trolled?
[23:04] <stdin> the threats from the "super 1337 hax0rz" are my favourite  :)
[23:04] <OldPink> What are the threats like? 0.i
[23:04] <OldPink> *0.o 
[23:04] <Tm_T> or threating nalioth with "staff will take you down"
[23:04] <Tm_T> I think we have seen those too
[23:04] <Seveas> flooding the network, attacking ops, a few sometimes even make phonecalls
[23:04] <tonyyarusso> haha, yes
[23:05] <mc44> see you're giving OldPink ideas now
[23:05] <Seveas> Tm_T, that's not nearly as good as the "I'm mark shuttleworth and you're fired"
[23:05] <Tm_T> Seveas: I usually just mail axe, you can hit it yourself into door
[23:05] <Tm_T> Seveas: :(
[23:05] <OldPink> Phonecalls? To whom? :|
[23:05] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: I wonder if he has a keyboard shortcut for a giant ASCII-art cockeyed look of "uh, whuh?"
[23:05] <Seveas> OldPink, my phonenumber is not hard to find :)
[23:06] <Seveas> btw, what's amyrose doing back in -offtopic?!?
[23:06] <mc44> 1-800-53V345
[23:06] <OldPink> Scary that they made the effort to find it, even still
[23:06] <Tm_T> Seveas: tell me when you're sleeping so I can call to you
[23:06] <Seveas> Tm_T, I never sleep
[23:06] <Tm_T> Seveas: I never call
[23:07] <Seveas> coincidence? :)
[23:07] <Tm_T> Seveas: what about amyrose?
[23:07] <Tm_T> Seveas: must be :-P
[23:08] <Tm_T> bantracker borked
[23:08] <Tm_T> and not
[23:09] <OldPink> I'm off, nice chatting, thanks for resolving :) 
[23:09] <Myrtti> bbbrrrr
[23:09] <tonyyarusso> %login
[23:09] <ubotu> OK
[23:09] <tonyyarusso> sex is <alias> o4o
[23:10] <Seveas> !sex is <alias> o4o
[23:10] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[23:10] <tonyyarusso> doh
[23:10] <Myrtti> Tm_T: i found something pink and fluffy
[23:11] <Myrtti> and even took a pic!
[23:11] <Seveas> Myrtti, me? :)
[23:11] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: put the poodle down!
[23:12] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/2023761203/
[23:13] <Tm_T> yay!
[23:13] <Seveas> oink
[23:13] <Myrtti> I just looooove my phone
[23:13] <tonyyarusso> somebody buy me a digital camera so I can make use of my newly created flickr account
[23:18] <Myrtti> *brrrh*
[23:19] <Myrtti> sometimes I just plain hate these single houses built right after WWII
[23:20] <Myrtti> and now is that "sometimes" moment
[23:21] <Tm_T> why this time?
[23:22] <Myrtti> because it's so freaking cold! the house warms up with cheap night electricity
[23:22] <Tm_T> erp
[23:22] <Tm_T> not nice
[23:22] <Myrtti> but it takes whole night
[23:22] <Tm_T> though, there's some wrong of heater in my bedroom, so it's bit chilly
[23:23] <nalioth> Tm_T: must be nice
[23:23] <Tm_T> mostly ok
[23:23]  * nalioth notes it's november here and still 86f in the day time
[23:23] <Myrtti> I got +15 just last week
[23:23] <Tm_T> in summer my apartment stayst in +30 and winters, I'd say steady +18
[23:24] <Myrtti> my fingers were struggling to type
[23:24] <Tm_T> I play guitar when I get too cold =)
[23:25] <Myrtti> tea or coffee
[23:25] <Tm_T> tea mmmmm
[23:25]  * Mez adds feckloads of ubuntu people on facebook
[23:26] <Pici> Oh, I need to get some tea for the new apartment
[23:26]  * Tm_T don't get this facebook
[23:26] <Myrtti> /me checks her mail
[23:27] <Tm_T> s/don/doesn/
[23:27] <Tm_T> nalioth: hi
[23:28]  * tonyyarusso waves at Mez 
[23:29]  * Mez waves back at tonyyarusso 
[23:30] <nalioth> Tm_T: hi
[23:30] <Tm_T> nalioth: +m in #ubuntu-proxy-users ?
[23:30] <nalioth> Tm_T: yes
[23:31] <Myrtti> my nose is cold
[23:31] <Myrtti> *rubrubrub*
[23:31] <Seveas> Myrtti, then you're a healthy poodle
[23:31] <Tm_T> nalioth: can we get it off? or has there been abusive behaviour then?
[23:31] <ompaul> here I'll check it out tomorrow
[23:31] <Tm_T> nalioth: I mean, I would love to see if any of those really talks ever
[23:32] <ompaul> I'll talk with ye later
[23:32] <Mez> haha,I just went through jono's list and added a few people I knew the anme of (having talked to tehm regularly) or have met in pewrsno
[23:32] <nalioth> Tm_T: we don't want #ubuntu-proxy-users to become #ubuntu-for-proxy-users
[23:32] <Tm_T> nalioth: I know
[23:32] <PriceChild> Tm_T, now you get to see
[23:32] <Tm_T> nalioth: but as temportary, so we can clean non-speaking people from every channel we can ;)
[23:32] <nalioth> Tm_T: you should be opped when you join and the channel is +z also
[23:33] <Tm_T> ah, roger
[23:33] <nalioth> i've not seen anyone speak more than to !ask the bot something
[23:33] <PriceChild> why are those two rejoing always
[23:33] <nalioth> broken clients
[23:33] <Mez> tonyyarusso, did you want something?
[23:33] <tonyyarusso> Mez: acking the FB friending
[23:34] <Pici> nack
[23:34] <tonyyarusso> (The verb police are going to kill me)
[23:34] <Mez> lmao - indeed - and I love Matthew Revell's "friendo info "Met Randomly: Linuxy stuff2
[23:34] <Tm_T> PriceChild: mircs btw
[23:34] <Tm_T> nalioth: you seen who doing it?
[23:35] <Mez> tonyyarusso, I think you meant "befriending"
[23:35] <Tm_T> nalioth: and what about those non-speakers in other ubuntu channels?
[23:35] <tonyyarusso> Mez: well, yeah, if we're going to be all proper-like :P
[23:35] <nalioth> Tm_T: idling is not against the rules
[23:36] <Mez> tonyyarusso, "friend" is not a verb :P
[23:36] <Tm_T> nalioth: I know :)
[23:36] <Tm_T> nalioth: I just find them, umm, disturbing
[23:36] <Mez> tonyyarusso, hehe - and trust me - I had to smackdown someone at work today when they wanted to have the link as "Friend x"
[23:36] <Myrtti> stupid fb
[23:36]  * Pici agrees with Myrtti 
[23:36] <tonyyarusso> Mez: uh, Friend X?
[23:37] <Myrtti> doesn't work
[23:37] <Mez> X being the "username"
[23:37] <Mez> lol
[23:37] <tonyyarusso> ah
[23:37] <Myrtti> on my browser
[23:37] <Mez> "add X to your recipricoal friends list" was the reason we decided to shorten it to "Befriend X"
[23:38] <Myrtti> and it crashed yay
[23:39] <Myrtti> whaaaaat
[23:40] <Myrtti> the liquer store staff is on strike tomorrow?
[23:40] <PriceChild> Mez, this with the vb people?
[23:40] <Myrtti> oh shoot.
[23:40] <Mez> PriceChild, indeed
[23:40] <Tm_T> Myrtti: hopefully
[23:40] <PriceChild> gah just spilt milkshake
[23:41] <Mez> PriceChild, why you ask?
[23:41] <PriceChild> Mez, well ubuntuforums.org use vb (for the time being) so always slightly interested what you're up to.
[23:42] <Mez> PriceChild, indeed... hehe :D and that's a good thing :D cause vB rocks
[23:42] <Myrtti> Tm_T: i was planning to get some mint vodka for hot mint chocolate
[23:42] <Tm_T> Myrtti: :(
[23:42] <Mez> Myrtti, get Creme de Menthe
[23:43] <Myrtti> and im agin havin dejavu
[23:43] <Tm_T> life is dejavu
[23:43] <Tm_T> I have noticed
[23:43] <Myrtti> Mez: i would, if i could
[23:43] <Mez> Myrtti, aw - but creme de menthe is easier to get than mint vodka
[23:44] <Tm_T> mainly because people do same things again and again (so it's not really dejavu always)
[23:44] <Myrtti> but they're on strike the whole week
[23:44] <Myrtti> Mez: not here :-P
[23:44] <Mez> Russia?
[23:45] <Myrtti> finland, silly
[23:45] <Mez> oh, no, according to your hostmask, Wikipedia Land
[23:50] <Tm_T> Myrtti: https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=110
[23:51] <Myrtti> Tm_T: i might start cursing
[23:52] <Tm_T> Myrtti: you already ordered?
[23:52] <Tm_T> wut
[23:52] <Myrtti> yup
[23:53] <Tm_T> well send it back :-P
[23:53] <Myrtti> got it today
[23:53] <tonyyarusso> they sell flash drives now?
[23:53] <Tm_T> 14 days return or what it is
[23:53] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: yup
[23:54] <tonyyarusso> do they have Ubuntu pre-installed ?
[23:54] <Myrtti> i lready partitoned it and encrypted and stuffed it with portableapps
[23:54] <Tm_T> ouch!
[23:54] <PriceChild> Myrtti, what did you order already?
[23:54] <Tm_T> Myrtti: well buy another one :-P
[23:54] <tonyyarusso> bah, it's only 1 GB
[23:54] <Tm_T> PriceChild: similar
[23:54] <PriceChild> ah
[23:54] <Tm_T> but without Ubuntu :((
[23:54] <Myrtti> 14e
[23:54] <Tm_T> Myrtti: I recommend to take mugs too if you order there any, good ones
[23:55] <Myrtti> 1GB
[23:55] <tonyyarusso> They should sell 4 and 8GB ones that have Ubuntu installed on them.
[23:55] <Myrtti> and that was the exact design
[23:55] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: I think there's some way to ask it, go ahead
[23:55] <Myrtti> i especially wanted that kind
[23:55] <mc44> tonyyarusso: pfft you can fit the live cd on a 1gb stick
[23:56] <tonyyarusso> mc44: true
[23:56] <mc44> but generic merchandise is generic :)
[23:57] <Myrtti> perkele
[23:57] <Myrtti> sorry.