| Petaris_Aki | Hello | 14:57 |
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| spiekey | how can i capture all packets which the SYN flag using tcpdump? | 14:58 |
| Gargoyle | kraut: It got you stumped too? | 14:59 |
| kraut | Gargoyle: sorry, i need to fix a breakdown | 14:59 |
| kraut | no time atm | 14:59 |
| Gargoyle | np | 15:00 |
| soren | nealmcb: Around? | 15:02 |
| nealmcb | howdy | 15:02 |
| soren | nealmcb: Hey. | 15:03 |
| nealmcb | back home? | 15:03 |
| soren | Yeah. | 15:03 |
| nealmcb | nice | 15:03 |
| soren | I also finally got round to looking at your ubuntu-jeos changes. | 15:03 |
| soren | Apart from a few minor thing, it looks great! | 15:03 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 15:03 |
| nealmcb | I stumbled a while on the need to mark the vm type..... | 15:04 |
| nealmcb | I also am wondering how this might hook in with some other similar tools... | 15:04 |
| soren | Such as? | 15:04 |
| nealmcb | libvirt and virt-manager | 15:05 |
| nealmcb | qemu-make-debian-root | 15:05 |
| soren | I'm working on libvirt and virt-manager right now. | 15:06 |
| nealmcb | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu/+bug/63429 | 15:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 63429 in qemu "[Edgy] qemu-make-debian-root hasn't worked since Debian Sarge, and not even then" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:06 |
| nealmcb | I still haven't gotten back to getting networking working right - need for local bridge-aware interfaces or something in qemu | 15:07 |
| nealmcb | have you also read that forums thread? | 15:07 |
| soren | Which forum thread? | 15:07 |
| nealmcb | xen-create-image: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/533 | 15:09 |
| nealmcb | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=549222&page=4 | 15:09 |
| nealmcb | how do you intend to package it? hardy and backport for gutsy? | 15:11 |
| nealmcb | the forum thread has lots of questions about this release vs the demo last summer, which seemed to be a much smaller or somewhat different thing - can you shed light on that? | 15:12 |
| soren | No :) I'm still trying to get some sort of overview over the entire situation. | 15:14 |
| nealmcb | still no jeos iso released. is the md5 341ca65a187c71643079a2f9ee5523b5 ubuntu-7.10-jeos-i386.iso (seen in the wild) | 15:14 |
| m1r | hello | 15:17 |
| nealmcb | huh - what is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/jeos/releases/7.10/release/ | 15:17 |
| m1r | i cant install landscape-client, i get : landscape-client: Depends: smartpm-core (>= 0.52-gutsy1-landscape1) but... | 15:20 |
| m1r | nealmcb: that is virtualization based ubuntu | 15:20 |
| nealmcb | m1r: right - I'm chatting with soren about it - and wondering why that one is there but not at http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ | 15:21 |
| m1r | ah | 15:21 |
| m1r | i was looking for it other day and cojuldnt find it | 15:21 |
| soren | m1r: I think it only just got moved there a few days ago. | 15:23 |
| soren | nealmcb: I'm not sure why it's not on releases. | 15:24 |
| m1r | ok , tnx soren | 15:24 |
| m1r | i thought i was searching for somthing unavailable :) | 15:24 |
| avatar_ | whats the problem with landscape-client? | 15:25 |
| m1r | avatar_: i get error when adding 2nd host | 15:25 |
| soren | nealmcb: I've just asked our release manager. He put it there, so he should know :) | 15:25 |
| soren | m1r: Have you added the repository to the machine or are you just copying the landscape-client deb around? | 15:26 |
| avatar_ | deb http://landscape.canonical.com/packages/gutsy ./ | 15:26 |
| avatar_ | thats were you can get it | 15:26 |
| m1r | soren, added rep and key | 15:26 |
| avatar_ | % apt-cache policy landscape-client | 15:27 |
| avatar_ | landscape-client: Installed: 0.15.0-gutsy1-landscape1 | 15:27 |
| soren | nealmcb: the general answer to that is that releases.ubuntu.com is for the highest-traffic things, and has limited space | 15:27 |
| m1r | and when i try install i get missing dependencies | 15:27 |
| m1r | landscape-client: Depends: smartpm-core (>= 0.52-gutsy1-landscape1) but... | 15:27 |
| soren | Please put the output of "apt-cache showpkg smartpm-core" onto pastebin | 15:28 |
| m1r | soren ; http://pastebin.ca/773448 | 15:30 |
| soren | m1r: What does "apt-get install smartpm-core=0.52-gutsy1-landscape1" do? | 15:30 |
| m1r | let me check | 15:33 |
| avatar_ | i would like landscape-server to run localy | 15:33 |
| avatar_ | not so happy with canonical having al my data | 15:33 |
| m1r | paranoia avatar_ ? :) | 15:33 |
| avatar_ | but sales@canonical.com is slow with answering my questions | 15:34 |
| m1r | soren : smartpm-core: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.6-1) but 2.5-0ubuntu14 is to be installed | 15:34 |
| avatar_ | m1r: imho it conflicts with privacy terms | 15:34 |
| ivoks | m1r: what version of landscape are you installing? | 15:35 |
| m1r | hi ivoks | 15:35 |
| m1r | the one from CP | 15:35 |
| avatar_ | canonical can view all information from our and our customers servers. Installed packages, users etc | 15:35 |
| soren | m1r: You're running feisty on that box... | 15:35 |
| m1r | soren, i think is gutsy | 15:35 |
| soren | m1r: No :) | 15:36 |
| ivoks | m1r: it isn't | 15:36 |
| soren | m1r: 2.5-0ubuntu14 is from feisty. | 15:36 |
| m1r | omg :P | 15:36 |
| soren | m1r: If it doesn't know a libc > 2.6, it's not running gutsy. | 15:36 |
| m1r | ye i see | 15:37 |
| soren | There's a feisty version of landscape, isn't there? | 15:37 |
| m1r | ok solved, many tnx guys | 15:39 |
| soren | m1r: np | 15:40 |
| ivoks | soren: so, how are you? :) | 15:40 |
| soren | ivoks: I'm rocking! | 15:40 |
| nealmcb | soren - cool - thanks for the trunk commit - yeah the kvm vs qemu needed cleaning up also | 15:42 |
| nealmcb | nice changes | 15:42 |
| nealmcb | though I don't know that I rate as an "author" :-) | 15:42 |
| soren | nealmcb: Sure you do. | 15:42 |
| nealmcb | ivoks: howdy! thanks for your blog writeup - it was indeed a pleasure to hang out with you! | 15:48 |
| ivoks | nealmcb: hi! no problem... :) | 15:50 |
| ivoks | hopefully, we'll meet again on next UDS, or sooner ;) | 15:50 |
| Gargoyle | anyone use drbd? | 15:50 |
| ivoks | Gargoyle: me | 15:51 |
| Gargoyle | after you fail over, and back again. if drbdadm state all returns Primary/Unknone and Secondary/Unknown on the two machines, is there a command I should be running to resync them? | 15:52 |
| ivoks | they sync automaticaly | 15:52 |
| ivoks | i have primary/primary | 15:52 |
| ivoks | and when one dies, on reconnect, becomes secondary, but outdated | 15:53 |
| ivoks | then they sync, and when that's over i have a mechanisam that makes it primary again | 15:53 |
| zul | hey mathiaz | 15:53 |
| mathiaz | hi zul | 15:53 |
| Gargoyle | ivoks: I am using heartbeat, and it put things back over onto node 1, which is reporting as primary. | 15:54 |
| Gargoyle | but node 2 is unknown.... Is this because heartbeat might have switched back too soon | 15:54 |
| ivoks | oh... are you mounting fs? | 15:55 |
| Gargoyle | ypu | 15:55 |
| Gargoyle | yup | 15:55 |
| ivoks | you can't do that if it's secondary | 15:55 |
| Gargoyle | ivoks: Nahh that's handled by heartbeat. only gets mounted on promary | 15:56 |
| ivoks | ok | 15:56 |
| ivoks | so, primary has Primary/Unknown | 15:57 |
| ivoks | and the 'rebooted' one has? | 15:57 |
| Gargoyle | It not been rebooted yet, but it has Secondary/Unknown | 15:57 |
| ivoks | then you have to connect it | 15:57 |
| Gargoyle | It's like each node is in the correct state, just not aware what the other one is upto! | 15:58 |
| ivoks | if you want to drop it's data: | 15:58 |
| ivoks | drbdadm -- --discard-my-data connect all | 15:58 |
| ivoks | and on the primary: | 15:58 |
| ivoks | drbdadm connect all | 15:58 |
| Gargoyle | do you have to do that each time it fails over, or was it just in the middle of a sync or something? | 15:59 |
| ivoks | you have to do that only on split brain situtation | 15:59 |
| ivoks | so, in real world, you will never use it :) | 16:00 |
| Gargoyle | right, so if I unplugged my nic cables. and watched it fail over. | 16:01 |
| ivoks | then hb should take care of making secondary - primary, and mounting filesystem | 16:01 |
| Gargoyle | then plugged them back in, and heartbeat switched back to node 1 (even though I have told it not to) could that have caused split brain | 16:01 |
| ivoks | no | 16:01 |
| ivoks | that should be normal situation | 16:01 |
| ivoks | old primary should resync first | 16:02 |
| ivoks | to become secondary | 16:02 |
| ivoks | after that it can become primary and get services back | 16:02 |
| ivoks | imho, two primaries would be better solution | 16:02 |
| ivoks | and some redhat tools instead of heartbeat | 16:03 |
| Gargoyle | It'f for a high available mysql | 16:03 |
| ivoks | i see | 16:03 |
| ivoks | i did mysql ha like this: | 16:04 |
| ivoks | mysql master-master replication with VIP over heartbeat | 16:04 |
| ivoks | but i will replace heartbeat with redhat-cluster-suite | 16:04 |
| ivoks | with master-master replication, you can also do load balancing | 16:06 |
| Gargoyle | is rh cluster suit a lot better? | 16:06 |
| ivoks | well, it includes a lot more than heartbeat | 16:06 |
| ivoks | sine i'm using GFS on drbd, having redhat-cluster-suite is just natural way to go... | 16:07 |
| Gargoyle | ivoks: I read quite a bit on GFS, got confused with some of it. Can GFS give you no single points of failure with 2 servers? | 16:08 |
| ivoks | GFS is just a filesystem which can be mounted on more than computers | 16:09 |
| ivoks | drbd provides high availability | 16:09 |
| ivoks | with drbd you can create 'network mirror' | 16:09 |
| ivoks | and then on top of drbd is GFS, and if you have primary/primary drbd, then you can mount /dev/drbd0 on two machines | 16:10 |
| ivoks | and write on it at the same time | 16:10 |
| Gargoyle | I just checked node 1 with the nic's stull unplugged. drbd still thinks it's primary. | 16:12 |
| Gargoyle | I pulled the cables out 10 mins ago. | 16:13 |
| ivoks | well yes | 16:13 |
| ivoks | it is primary | 16:13 |
| ivoks | it doesn't know if node1 or node2 is out | 16:13 |
| kraut | grr | 16:14 |
| ivoks | both nodes think they are the one that survived, and both are primary, right? | 16:14 |
| Gargoyle | but heartbeat does. since it released the vip to node 2. | 16:14 |
| kraut | Gargoyle: did you fixed your hb issue? | 16:14 |
| Gargoyle | kraut: Not yet | 16:14 |
| ivoks | Gargoyle: did you add drbd relevant stuff to ha.cf? | 16:15 |
| nealmcb | soren: have you tried installing the jeos iso in qemu? I just get initramfs on reboot | 16:15 |
| ivoks | respawn hacluster /usr/lib/heartbeat/dopd | 16:15 |
| ivoks | apiauth dopd gid=haclient uid=hacluster | 16:15 |
| Gargoyle | ivoks: Not dopd | 16:16 |
| kraut | god, damn it | 16:16 |
| ivoks | Gargoyle: this way hb desides which one should be primary | 16:16 |
| ivoks | decides | 16:16 |
| Gargoyle | the guide I have says respawn hacluster /usr/lib/heartbead/ipfail | 16:16 |
| ivoks | that's for IP | 16:16 |
| ivoks | you need it also for drbd | 16:17 |
| Gargoyle | ahhh! | 16:17 |
| nealmcb | soren: since http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ doesn't have all the releases, it should say so and link to the others..... | 16:20 |
| Gargoyle | ivoks: does it matter which order they are in the file? | 16:22 |
| ivoks | no | 16:22 |
| soren | nealmcb: I honestly don't remember. | 16:23 |
| ivoks | Gargoyle: one more thing | 16:24 |
| ivoks | Gargoyle: in /etc/drbd.conf | 16:24 |
| Gargoyle | yup... | 16:24 |
| ivoks | Gargoyle: you need handlers { outdate-peer "/usr/lib/heartbeat/drbd-peer-outdater"; } | 16:24 |
| ivoks | Gargoyle: under common {} | 16:25 |
| Gargoyle | my haresources is just - mysql-01 drbddisk Filesystem::/dev/drbd0::/drbd::ext3 mysql 192.168.0.215 | 16:25 |
| ivoks | not haresources | 16:25 |
| ivoks | ha.cf and drbd.conf | 16:25 |
| Gargoyle | yeah, but I was just checking my haresources looked ok to you - since this guide seems to have an error or two. | 16:26 |
| Gargoyle | ivoks: I have "outdate-peer /usr/sbin/drbd-peer-outdater" in the resource section. | 16:27 |
| ivoks | well, do you have that file? i don't :) | 16:28 |
| ivoks | there is /usr/lib/drbd/outdate-peer.sh, tough... | 16:29 |
| Gargoyle | damn! | 16:29 |
| Gargoyle | :) | 16:29 |
| ivoks | Gargoyle: don't worry | 16:29 |
| Gargoyle | so do I change it on my resource or common? (I only have 1 resource so I am assumng it doesnt matter!) | 16:29 |
| ivoks | HA and LB isn't trivial to set up... | 16:30 |
| ivoks | i've put it in common | 16:30 |
| ivoks | but should be ok in resource too, yes... | 16:30 |
| ivoks | dendrobates: hi there | 16:33 |
| dendrobates | ivoks: hi | 16:33 |
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| zul | someone say they were working on libvirt and virt-install? | 17:08 |
| soren | Me. | 17:16 |
| soren | zul: ^^ | 17:16 |
| zul | soren: ah ok...good.. | 17:18 |
| zul | let me know if you need to bounce stuff off of me | 17:20 |
| soren | zul: I'll keep that in mind. | 17:25 |
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| nealmcb | soren, zul - so do we need a plan for bridging/combining libvirt, virt-manager, virt-install, ubuntu-jeos-builder for xen and qemu? | 18:59 |
| nealmcb | has anyone written up the virtualization blueprint based on the uds discussions? | 18:59 |
| soren | Possibly. I need to look into how much of ubuntu-jeos-builder's job virt-install can do. | 19:00 |
| * nealmcb nods | 19:00 | |
| zul | afternoon | 19:18 |
| nealmcb | zul afternoon here in Boulder too :-) where are you? | 19:21 |
| zul | ottawa,canada | 19:23 |
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| mralphabet | what determines the contents of "Suggested Packages" when you install something? | 23:03 |
| mralphabet | IE apt-get install blah | 23:04 |
| mralphabet | Suggested Packages | 23:04 |
| ivoks | debian/control file | 23:04 |
| mralphabet | some-other-package | 23:04 |
| mralphabet | who would change one? moatas? | 23:04 |
| soren | mralphabet: Each package can Suggest: other packages. | 23:04 |
| mralphabet | er, motus? | 23:04 |
| soren | Depends on the package. | 23:05 |
| mralphabet | k, thanks | 23:05 |
| soren | If it's in universe, yes. If it's in main, core-dev's can do it. | 23:05 |
| ivoks | mralphabet: motus for universe, core for main | 23:05 |
| ivoks | i feel like in real server | 23:05 |
| ivoks | everything is redundant :) | 23:05 |
| soren | *g* | 23:06 |
| soren | I also feel like a real server... | 23:07 |
| soren | ...but that's because I seem to never stop working. | 23:07 |
| ivoks | hehe | 23:09 |
| ivoks | then you are ubuntu-server :) | 23:09 |
| ivoks | we should rethink heartbeat :/ | 23:10 |
| ivoks | i know i was the one asking for it, but every day it takes one year of my life... | 23:11 |
| soren | ivoks: Heh. Have you looked into redhat-cluster-suiter? | 23:20 |
| soren | *suite | 23:20 |
| ivoks | yes | 23:22 |
| ivoks | i'm planing to replace my heartbeat installations with redhat cluster suite | 23:23 |
| nealmcb | zul, soren: fwiw, I registered the libvirt project for the hardy libvirt package and configured the cvs import | 23:50 |
| soren | nealmcb: Ah, handy. | 23:52 |
| nealmcb | I'm happy to hand it over to Daniel Veillard or the "registry" group or whoever | 23:52 |
| ajmitch | as long as you stick around it shouldn't be necessary | 23:55 |
| ajmitch | or put ubuntu-server as the team to own it | 23:56 |
| ajmitch | so that team members can update things where necessary | 23:56 |
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