[02:43] hi, after upgrading to gusty (including the chroot) now firefox never dies when you shut it off [02:43] you have to manually kill the process [03:30] hi everybody [03:31] I have a problem booting a i386 client booting from an amd64 server [03:32] the boot process starts but stops at request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c [03:32] you did generate the proper ltsp image right? [03:33] yes [03:33] i386 [03:33] hmm.. no idea then , never seen that one [03:33] I did a ltsp-build-client --arch i386 [03:33] aha.. never seen it.. try manually blacklisting it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [03:33] so i HAVE to first delete the amd64 in /opt/ltsp ? [03:34] I didn't do that [03:34] well if you had amd64 clients you'd want to keep that :) [03:34] Yes :) [03:34] but that's what i read in the net [03:34] just make sure that your users are receiving the proper i386 [03:34] in your dhcpd config [03:35] in /var/log/syslog it says [03:35] connect from 192.168.0.250, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img [03:35] on i386 system? if so.. that's prolly your problem [03:35] or rather.. is at least a part of it :) [03:36] :) [03:36] but where if not in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf is it assigned? [03:36] well it's between the tftpd and the dhcpd [03:36] filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 [03:36] check your tftpd [03:36] config [03:36] ok [03:37] where? [03:37] i have no idea.. [03:37] i don't use the default dhcpd and tftpd [03:37] i use dnsmasq for both [03:37] i did a grep -r amd64 in etc and didn't find anything but in inetd.conf [03:37] and what does that say? [03:38] 2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img [03:38] 2001 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img [03:39] /etc/ltsp or /etc/dhcp are teh places to look [03:39] (previously anyway) [03:39] yes the bootup starts and in my /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf i don't mention amd64 [03:40] but still in /var/log/syslog there is this line [03:40] hmm.. change the 2000 line [03:40] or rather.. for testing, switch the 2001 and 2000 lines [03:40] i'll comment it out [03:40] no [03:41] then? [03:41] siwtch em [03:41] 2001 and 2000 [03:41] ok [03:41] and then try [03:41] one minute :) [03:44] no luck :( [03:45] i'll will delete both architectures and for now only use i386 [03:45] thanks dough [03:45] :) [03:45] though === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd [08:17] good mornign edubuntuland [08:17] sorry, fell asleep last night before the meeting started [08:20] hi highvoltage [08:22] hey RichEd [11:02] hi, I'm trying to find libflashsupport for 64 bit [11:03] I've got lib 32, but that doesnt seem to help installing libflashsupport [11:31] Nubae: nspluginwrapper [11:34] gnomefreak, libflashsupport works on a lower level [11:35] ah ok [11:35] it fixes a bug where flash doesnt close its alsa sockets properly ... [11:35] its actually a workaround to fix a bug adobe doesnt care for [11:36] so is there no way to run it on 64bit then? [11:36] Nubae, there are source packages somewhere, you should be able to build them ... sadly there are some cross licensing issues with libflashsupport that need to be solved before it can hit the archive [11:36] I tried to build [11:37] from source, got all kind of errors [11:37] how did it fail [11:37] what is pastebin address again? [11:38] !paste [11:38] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [11:38] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/2002/ [11:38] sudo apt-get install libssl-dev [11:39] is for the first error [11:39] yeah didnt look to closely at the errors to be honest... [11:39] you likely also need libasound-dev and the pulse development package [11:40] its only missing some build deps [11:40] of course, didnt install any of the dev packages [11:41] ah thats good news... only thing not working now on my install [11:41] if y build complains about not finding "something.h" at the top its usually missing a -dev package [11:42] so the way to solve it would be to find out where: openssl/ssl.h, esd.h, pulse/simple.h and pulse/error.h are in .... and install these packages [11:43] cool, thanks [11:43] packages.ubuntu-com has a search function for package contents where you can easily find the answer :) [11:44] libesd0-dev for esd? [11:49] thanks for that ogra, that will be useful for life... (packages.ubuntu.com) [11:51] ogra, i commented on that bug, i tried setting LDM_SERVER [11:51] no dice [11:51] yeah, i saw it [11:52] Nubae, right, thats the right lib for esd (you could also disable esd in the code, its not used anyway in our setup) [11:52] cc1: warnings being treated as errors [11:52] flashsupport.c: In function ‘FPX_SoundOutput_Open’: [11:52] flashsupport.c:488: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size [11:53] johnny, i fear we'll need sbalneav for further debugging, i dont know 100% how his autologin stuff works ... [11:53] thats what I get after all dependencies seem to be met [11:53] Nubae, look at the makefile for -Werror .... remove that [11:54] so it doesnt treat warnings as errors [11:54] /usr/bin/ld: /tmp/ccZf1tuq.o: relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC [11:54] /tmp/ccZf1tuq.o: could not read symbols: Bad value [11:54] ogra, that's cool, i just make to make sure the bug is treated as valid [11:55] Nubae, you removed -Werror ? [11:55] yep [11:55] add -fPIC for it and see what happens [11:55] the code might not be 64bit compatible though [11:56] (especially since there is no native 64bit flash) [11:56] flashsupport.c: In function ‘FPX_SoundOutput_Open’: [11:56] flashsupport.c:488: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size [11:56] but the other error went [11:56] so it built ? [11:56] oh... guess it did [11:56] try if it works then [11:57] make install worked [11:57] run sudo ldconfig [11:57] to make sure the lib linker knows its there [11:57] (not sure make install does that, wont do no harm to run it again even) [11:57] restart firefox? [11:58] yep [11:58] nah, no sound [11:59] check ~/.xsession-errors [11:59] if there is any trace of pulseaudio errors [12:00] ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_hw.c:1351:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card [12:00] ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm.c:2105:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/al$ [12:00] A [12:00] repeated [12:00] over and over [12:01] have to run, dentist appointment... thanks for that though, I'll check in to see if you're here when I get back [13:24] hi [14:21] ogra: Morning! [15:23] is there anyone that can assist me with setting up printers? [15:26] o00w: On which, the server, or thin clients? [15:27] sbalneav: on a client I am just testing 7.04 on our networks [15:28] Sure, I can help [15:28] for thin clients, is it the same with 7.10 as 7.04? [15:28] nubae, beyond the fact the lts.conf moved to a new place the options are still the same [15:28] its something I need to get to as well, teachers are asking me constantly [15:28] ogra1: Hey there! [15:29] sbalneav, yo [15:29] sorry i didnt ping back yet in #ltsp [15:29] Nah, np [15:29] just got my ultra beefy 2M SDSL line :) [15:29] I went to #bzr and got help [15:29] ah [15:29] My own stupidity, as usual [15:29] sbalneav: it is a xerox phaser 8550dp...I can see the printer with the correct IP with Global Settings/Detect LAN Printers...in fact I see all the printers...quite impressed by that [15:29] I bzr co'd, instead of branch'd [15:30] so all I have to do is bzr bind, and I'm cool. [15:30] ah === ogra1 is now known as ogra [15:30] I'm just fixing up the upstream bits now, then I'll branch onto launchpad for hardy devel. [15:31] i thought you branch upstream into ltsp-drivers [15:31] i have a bunch of pending changes for the branch you got on ltsp.org [15:32] hey about flash sound on the clients with 64 bit edubuntu, I'm not in the school right now so cant check anything, but did u see anything with the errors i pasted (.xsession-errors) [15:32] sbalneav: is there a quick way to talk directly in channel to someone, currently I highlight the name and paste it followed by colon...but I am not sure if it changes the color of the name for that user as it does when someone responds to me...sorry if this seems like a poorly worded question [15:32] Most irc clients have name tab completion [15:33] so, for you, I just type [15:33] o00w: o, and it fills in your name [15:33] sbalneav: ty I should have guessed it would act similar to a terminal [15:35] sbalneav: so I click add printer... it scans available printers and I have "use a detected printer" bulleted and scroll down to the appropriate printer [15:36] sbalneav: then I pick the driver which I added from a printer ppd package I downloaded from Xerox [15:37] sbalneav: gave a description and the printer appears in the list [15:50] ogra: about the xsession-errors: ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_hw.c:1351:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card [15:51] do you have sound in other apps? [15:51] yeah [15:51] even totem [15:54] ogra: this is the other line: ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm.c:2105:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so [15:57] nubae, dpkg -l libasound2-plugins [15:58] 1.0.14-1ubuntu3 [15:59] but its installed ? [15:59] hmm [15:59] ls /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so ? [15:59] yeah its there [16:00] hmm [16:00] maybe its a case of restarting [16:00] hmm [16:00] shouldnt [16:00] but try :) [16:01] heh :-) [16:02] I've got 12 users using crossover and office and this is the cpu time: 0.22 (1 min) 0.19 (5 mins) 0.30 (15 mins) [16:02] remarkable [16:05] yeah [16:16] you guys talking about flash/shockwave sound in firefox by chance? [16:17] yes [16:17] that's my problem *raises hand* =p [16:17] did you try out gnash ? [16:17] lns, shouldnt be one on i386 servers ... [16:18] only on amd64 [16:18] ogra, mine are all amd64 :( [16:18] w/i386 clients [16:18] and (unfortunately) flash, java and shockwave in firefox are the most important things for the students to have [16:18] gnash should work according to the latest posts [16:18] lns, do your servers have more than 4Gig of RAM ? [16:19] ogra, yes they all have 8gb [16:19] i've put cxoffice pro on them, and shockwave / flash *work*, but no sound. [16:19] Ins same here [16:19] i've been hacking away for weeks trying to get them to work, but no luck yet :( [16:20] have u compiled the libflashsupport for it? [16:20] nubae, that's the whole thing [16:20] ogra just guided me through the compilation [16:20] i can't - it won't compile due to some crazy compilation errors..i e-mailed revolutionlinux on it but they never replied [16:21] Here's my advice. If you want flash, DON'T install 64 bit on the server. Stay 32 bit. [16:21] sbalneav, well...heh [16:21] its a little too late for that now ;) [16:21] or know how to set up a 32bit chroot [16:21] indeed [16:21] and run firefox 32bit from there [16:21] ogra, what, a seperate 32bit chroot for firefox? [16:21] and flash [16:22] well, actually i'm using the infamous 3in1 script from Kilz [16:22] so it's firefox 32-bit [16:22] hmm, not sure you can make libflashsupport work in that scenario easily [16:22] ogra, i concur ;) [16:22] absolutely [16:23] so is there any documentation on setting up another 32-bit chroot for firefox in this kind of scenario? [16:23] but seems gnash did some quantum jumps recently [16:23] its supposed to work with pictures to prove it :-) [16:23] ogra, i'd love to use gnash, but i still have the huge issue of shockwave and java [16:24] http://wiki.ubuntu-fi.org/Edubuntu_7.10_Classroom_Server_%28x86_64%29 [16:24] and yes i do mean actual shockwave director =) [16:24] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575 [16:25] 32 bit to 64 bit back to 32 bit in the client [16:25] sounds ugly :-) [16:26] can't we just beat down the ceo of adobe instead? it sounds easier ;) [16:27] if you thinks that helps to make them love linux more, go ahead :) [16:27] hehe [16:28] ogra, with setting up this chroot should pulseaudio "just work" to the clients? [16:28] (for flash/sw/etc in firefox) [16:28] well Ins, not sure if it actually works, but ogra gave me these instructions to install libflashsupport for amd64: [16:28] Nubae, look at the makefile for -Werror .... remove that [16:29] add -fPIC for it and see what happens [16:29] that compiled for me and installed [16:29] and you need the build dependencies installed [16:29] but dont think it worked.... I havent been able to fully test it as I'm at a remote location [16:30] ok [16:30] would be interesting to see if it works for you [16:30] lemme try and dig up the error it was throwing me to see if it was the same compilation error [16:31] !pastebot [16:31] Sorry, I don't know anything about pastebot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [16:31] !pastebin [16:31] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [16:32] Hi folks. Anyone have suggestions for running Edubuntu LTSP with the Xubuntu desktop? Should it be worth the processor savings? I know it's easier to lockdown with the config files... [16:32] http://pastebot.ltsp.org/351 is the full text of the e-mail i sent them [16:33] nubae/ogra can you take a glimpse at that? [16:33] remove -Werror from your Makefile [16:33] ogra, ok [16:34] yeah its the same errors [16:34] ogra, under CFLAGS right? [16:34] wherever you see it [16:35] k [16:35] i dont have the code in frot of me [16:35] just in gcc [16:40] so Ins did that work? [16:40] ack..=p here [16:40] http://pastebot.ltsp.org/352 [16:41] apologies for the bad chars [16:41] you need the dependencies [16:41] all the dev libraries [16:41] libssl-dev, etc [16:42] ok lemme get those [16:44] do i need esd devs if it's gutsy? [16:44] supposedly not, but I installed anyway [16:44] that's another thing that really confuses me about the whole situation.. i don't even know if pulseaudio has completely taken over or not..maybe i'm just paranoid =p [16:48] yikes...network bottleneck at the schools, kids must be on runescape or something. =p (or the teachers) [16:50] Ins what do you use for student management, schooltool? [16:50] nubae, we don't use anything for student management [16:51] they have a seperate (windows) admin network, LTSP is for the student labs/classrooms [16:52] ah... right.... I'm sticking to linux only at this school [16:52] yikes... 12kb/sec. [16:52] makes me think back to the old BBS days. [16:52] =p [16:53] ANSi art rules [16:53] killall -u :-) [16:53] seriously. =) [16:56] well this might take a while to install the devs [16:56] Where do I find the history file for synaptic package manager [16:57] diddy, did you try /var/log/dpkg.log ? [16:57] anyone know how do I configure in etch as in edubuntu for sound in clinet for ltsop [16:58] ltsp [16:58] nep: keep an eye out for vagrantc [16:58] he's one of the debian guys [16:59] sbalneav, yes But haven't seen him today, [17:00] lns, looks good, thank you [17:01] np diddy, glad i could help [17:01] still compiling? [17:02] nubae, still downloading. =p [17:02] extremely slow pipe over there today...not sure why they think a T1 is enough for 7 schools =p [17:02] it's usually much faster in the afternoon (when they're all gone, that is) =p [17:03] glad i dojn't have to rebuild my chroot! [17:03] where are you at Ins? US? [17:03] yes - california [17:03] Lns btw ;) [17:03] ah hehe [17:16] woo, it compiled! =p [17:45] hi [17:45] Lns did u manage to get flash working then? [17:47] Heya [17:47] Nuba1, i'm downloading git-core right now so i can download the new version of libflashsupport provided by pulseaudio [17:48] i got it compiled but as i was, but then warren told me there's a better (less buggy) version out there [17:48] go figure =p [17:48] oh reallly... where? [17:48] hold on [17:48] I'm at the school now so I can hack at this too [17:49] oh nice [17:49] here [17:49] http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/FlashPlayer9Solution [17:51] hmm. this is what i get after installing git-core [17:51] # git clone http://git.0pointer.de/repos/libflashsupport.git/ [17:51] Initialized empty Git repository in /usr/src/libflashsupport/.git/ [17:51] /usr/bin/git-clone: 310: curl: not found [17:51] Cannot get remote repository information. [17:51] Perhaps git-update-server-info needs to be run there? [17:51] :( [17:52] hmmm same here [17:53] I *did* have the libflashsupport.so compiled successfully from revolutionlinux though [17:53] i'm not onsite so i couldn't test it [17:53] have you done that yet? [17:54] yes [17:54] and didnt work [17:54] are you using firefox32 or 64-bit version? [17:54] weird the repo doesnt seem empty [17:54] 64 [17:55] hmm... [17:55] i'm using firefox32 (in amd64 ubuntu install, using the Kilz 3in1 script) [17:56] any reason why? [17:58] mainly for flash, java and shockwave support [17:58] =p [17:58] and 64bit firefox wont do that? [17:59] well, after gutsy came out, flash has the nspluginwrapper install script [17:59] we have crossover office for installing shockwave [17:59] java is now a big issue though, i see for 64-bit [18:00] really, java wont install on 64bit? [18:02] join #ltsp, ogra and i are talking about that right now [18:02] lns: it is better to use 32-bit firefox and the 32-bit plugins [18:02] that is what I have found anyway [18:03] nspluginwrapper never worked well for me [18:03] I did it without needing a chroot too [18:03] though I can't remember where I found the how-to [18:05] its not just java either, its flash and a bunch of others too [18:05] Petaris_Aki, i concur [18:05] realplayer, etc all have only 32-bit plugins last I looked [18:06] well its lunch time [18:06] biab [19:16] hi [19:17] how can I set the ip of the ltsp-server for my thin-clients? My dhcpd/tftpd runs on a other maschine then my ltsp... [19:21] gamed|ph, you have to use the "next-server" dhcp option [19:22] gamed|ph, for instance === mcfloppy_ is now known as jchristsuperstar [19:22] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP (with windows dhcp) [19:23] i don't want to set the ip og my tftpd, i need to change the ip of the ltsp/nfs/ssh [19:23] so you want to change the ip of your ltsp server? [19:23] is that what you're asking? [19:24] no i know how to change an interface-ip ;-) [19:25] I've an ipcop with dhcp and tftp... [19:25] and a ltsp-server [19:25] ok [19:25] i do too =) [19:26] (have an ipcop and ltsp that is) [19:26] ah, cool ;-) the ipcop already provides a boot-menu to my clients and i've expanded it to a ltsp-option [19:26] but when i boot a client with that the client don't know the ip of the ltsp-server [19:28] can i use append in pxelinux.cfg/default for that? [19:29] hmm [19:30] i'm almost positive i had to do this for a specific (bad) thinclient, but the options i used in ipcop to pass to ltsp were the following [19:30] server-identifier [19:31] tftp-server-name <"ip-of-ltsp"> [19:31] next-server [19:32] mh, but next-server is afaik the ip of the tftp, right? [19:32] yes [19:32] you have tftp on a different server than ltsp? [19:32] yes, tftp runs on the ipcop [19:32] ....wow, haven't heard of that kind of setup before [19:32] why do you do that? [19:34] mh, ipcop can provide me any kind of boot on this way... ghost, ubuntu setup, dsl rescue... [19:35] gamed|ph, the only thing i could think of is having some MAC identifier for your thin clients [19:36] I just want to change the ip the busybux will connect to.... Is it such heavy? [19:40] gamed|ph, have you considered static dhcp leases with specific options per MAC/client? [19:41] Yes of course but the clients are not only thin clients, I need to have the other boot options too [19:41] and i cant move the dhcp/tftp to the edubuntu server [19:43] gamed|ph, afaik if you have a dhcp/tftp server, the tftp server options can let you download whatever kernel image you want [19:43] but having a "chooser"...i have no clue. I don't even know if i understand what you're trying to do correctly. [19:44] I've a ipcop witch provides dhcp and tftp... actualy theres a boot menu to boot local, install ubuntu, start ghost, start Damn Small Linux etc. [19:45] now I've uploaded the thin-client kernels to the ipcop-server and edit the boot menu for it [19:45] but the thin client cant connect to the ltsp-server because the ip of the ltsp-server is not known by the client-image [19:45] but i don't know how to pass the ip into the image [19:46] ooooooooooh [19:46] ok [19:47] that's done somewhere in the LDM i think. or possibly lts.conf... not sure. [19:47] but at least i get what you're trying to do now =) [19:47] ;-) ah ok [19:47] isn't lts.conf in the nfs-root? [19:48] in gutsy it's in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 [19:51] but witch option? [19:53] not sure [19:53] you'll need to look at the available options [19:56] where i can find it? [20:01] gamed|ph, apt-get install edubuntu-docs [20:01] that's the best documentation out there imho [20:05]