| even | i want port kde-power-manager developed for kubuntu to archlinux, who can help me with that? | 00:47 |
|---|---|---|
| DaSkreech | even: Hmm? | 00:48 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | Hi KDE 3.96 Tagged --> http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.96/ | 02:59 |
| Tm_T | moo | 03:00 |
| DaSkreech | CPrgmSwR2: Hey! | 03:00 |
| Jucato | ... | 03:00 |
| DaSkreech | I've been trying to grab you for days | 03:00 |
| Jucato | and we didn't even get beta4 packaged :) | 03:00 |
| Jucato | so has it been decided if this will be beta5 or rc1? | 03:00 |
| Tm_T | beta5 is my guess | 03:01 |
| DaSkreech | I think it's RC1 | 03:01 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | DaSkreech: why? | 03:01 |
| DaSkreech | CPrgmSwR2: People wanted to talk with you :) | 03:01 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | oh really? | 03:01 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | brb in 10 minutes | 03:02 |
| DaSkreech | Ha ha | 03:02 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 03:02 |
| Tm_T | harolddong_: hi | 03:02 |
| harolddong_ | hey | 03:03 |
| harolddong_ | I just noticed some updated kdelibs5 packages in the repos | 03:03 |
| harolddong_ | and poppler | 03:04 |
| Tm_T | sounds scary | 03:04 |
| harolddong_ | does this mean the beta is closer? | 03:04 |
| Tm_T | what beta? | 03:04 |
| Jucato | might have been beta4 upgrade? | 03:04 |
| harolddong_ | kde beta 4? | 03:04 |
| Tm_T | not that I know | 03:04 |
| Tm_T | though, who knows | 03:05 |
| Jucato | check the version... | 03:05 |
| DaSkreech | We have like a month to release | 03:05 |
| Jucato | afaik it should be 3.95 for beta4 | 03:05 |
| harolddong_ | kdelibs 3.95 in the ubuntu repos | 03:05 |
| Jucato | then that's beta4, afaik | 03:06 |
| harolddong_ | but previously you were supposed to get the kde-workspace package and that's not updated | 03:06 |
| DaSkreech | isn't 3.96 tagged? | 03:07 |
| harolddong_ | I'm just trying to figure out if its actually fully or not | 03:07 |
| DaSkreech | as soon as CPrgmSwR2 comes back | 03:07 |
| DaSkreech | Doh! | 03:07 |
| harolddong_ | they've had that "within a day or so" message up for a few days now | 03:07 |
| harolddong_ | *actually released fully or not | 03:08 |
| Jucato | harolddong_: think of it this way: every day that passes resets the timer... :) | 03:08 |
| harolddong_ | so what you're saying is that kde4 beta 4 is the the duke nukem forever of the linux world | 03:08 |
| harolddong_ | that's meann | 03:08 |
| harolddong_ | you said it not me | 03:09 |
| harolddong_ | :P | 03:09 |
| Jucato | huh? | 03:09 |
| Jucato | kde4 beta4 has been released Oct 30... | 03:09 |
| Jucato | the only problem is the kubuntu packages | 03:09 |
| Jucato | nothing to do with kde itself | 03:09 |
| harolddong_ | yeah yeah I know that\ | 03:09 |
| harolddong_ | but seeing as how I'm kubuntu | 03:10 |
| harolddong_ | that's all I care about | 03:10 |
| * Hobbsee spoke to cprov about the ppa breakage | 03:10 | |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: something got through it seems | 03:10 |
| Jucato | <harolddong_> kdelibs 3.95 in the ubuntu repos | 03:10 |
| harolddong_ | I mean there are obviously some of the packages in the repos now | 03:11 |
| harolddong_ | yeah | 03:11 |
| harolddong_ | so what's missing now is my question | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | yes, -libs might be there | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | is kdebase-workspace there? | 03:12 |
| harolddong_ | poppler packages updated too | 03:12 |
| harolddong_ | no like I said workspace isnt | 03:12 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | DaSkreech: back | 03:12 |
| DaSkreech | CPrgmSwR2: can you join #kdegames ? | 03:12 |
| harolddong_ | should I just wait to install what's in there now? | 03:13 |
| harolddong_ | I'm sitting here staring at it | 03:13 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | Hobbsee: why not scratch kde beta5 and head for kde release canidate 1 | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | when's the rc 1 out? | 03:14 |
| Jucato | CPrgmSwR2: so it's been decided to be rc1? | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | because the work's already been done, i think | 03:14 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: I don't know but I can't see how else | 03:14 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | Hobbsee: RC1 has been tagged 10 hours ago | 03:14 |
| Jucato | it's been tagged, although I haven't seen the tagging announcement :) | 03:14 |
| DaSkreech | tags cycles are like 2 weeks and it's about a month till 4.0 relelase | 03:15 |
| harolddong_ | if the work has been done then where is it | 03:15 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.96/ | 03:15 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: afaik there were some discussion as to whether it should be beta5 or rc1 | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | CPrgmSwR2: neat. | 03:16 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: Yeah But there is one more release cycle before 4.0 | 03:17 |
| Jucato | and? | 03:17 |
| DaSkreech | RC it and then something comes up you slip the release? | 03:17 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | RC 2? | 03:17 |
| CPrgmSwR2 | Hobbsee: anyways I think what is in tags/KDE/3.96 should be packaged in place of beta5 | 03:18 |
| DaSkreech | That would be on the week of 4.0 | 03:18 |
| DaSkreech | you would have to slide the release | 03:18 |
| Jucato | that's the idea... unless they settle for just 1 RC release | 03:19 |
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| Tonio_ | Tm_T: I guess that's too late for I'm here now :) | 07:02 |
| Jucato | :) | 07:02 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: hey :) | 07:03 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: how's kdesudo doing? :) | 07:03 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: no big change atm | 07:03 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: still a couple of bugs to fix..... | 07:04 |
| Jucato | someone was reporting yesterday that "kdesu -u <username> <app>" doesn't work (whereas it used to under the former kdesu) | 07:04 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: that's a bug with sudo and not kdesudo | 07:04 |
| Jucato | hm.. doesn't sudo -u work with that as well? | 07:04 |
| Tonio_ | sudo -u <username> doesn't work, while the option exists | 07:04 |
| Jucato | ah so it's sudo (again?) | 07:04 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 07:05 |
| Jucato | but I guess right now the biggest "bug" is with the changing permissions thingy? | 07:05 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: you mean ? | 07:05 |
| Jucato | the old bug? has it been fixed? | 07:05 |
| * Jucato hasn't updated lately :P | 07:05 | |
| Jucato | the one that creates config files in ~/.kde with root ownership instead of the user's | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | fixed | 07:06 |
| Jucato | great :) | 07:06 |
| * Jucato imagines he'll stop receiving e-mails from LP about that bug :D | 07:07 | |
| Tonio_ | there's still a bug with the jumping icon not stopping | 07:07 |
| Jucato | oh | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | I think _stefans_ is working on this one | 07:07 |
| * Jucato hasn't seen _StefanS_ lately... | 07:07 | |
| Jucato | come to think of it, has been a bit quiet here lately :) | 07:07 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 07:09 |
| Tonio_ | hum lots of issues with the buildds...... | 07:10 |
| Hobbsee | news at 11. | 07:10 |
| Jucato | :) | 07:10 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: has there been a decision wrt next meeting date/time? | 07:12 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: erm, no. i need to. plan is for sunday | 07:12 |
| Jucato | kool | 07:12 |
| Jucato | gives me more time to write up a wiki detailing some ideas :) | 07:12 |
| Jucato | I'm going to try and bring in some help from the user community as much as possible... not sure if I will succeed :) | 07:13 |
| Hobbsee | yay :) | 07:13 |
| Jucato | blog post w/ wiki and forum post coming soonish (today?) | 07:14 |
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| Jucato | Hobbsee: just in case you're curious and have the time for another longish post: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3088690.0 :P | 08:15 |
| * Hobbsee looks | 08:17 | |
| Hobbsee | Jucato | 08:20 |
| Hobbsee | FA's don't do much anyway, so... | 08:20 |
| Jucato | heh I wouldn't really know... I've somewhat distanced myself from Ubuntuforums for some time now... too crowded, too much traffic, too GNOMEy :P | 08:21 |
| Jucato | my only real ties is being a moderator of our loco subforum :) | 08:21 |
| * Nightrose wonders where Hobbsee blogged | 08:23 | |
| Jucato | once or twice... somewhere :) | 08:23 |
| * Jucato waves to Nightrose | 08:23 | |
| * Nightrose waves back :) | 08:23 | |
| Hobbsee | Nightrose: http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/23689767.html | 08:24 |
| Nightrose | ah thx ;-) | 08:24 |
| Nightrose | oO /me feels sorry for Hobbsee... | 08:26 |
| Jucato | oh wow... you mean you blog, just not on the Planet? O.o | 08:26 |
| Nightrose | Jucato: that was where I was looking for it first ;-) | 08:26 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: my wordpress blog != customers_suck | 08:33 |
| Jucato | aaah ok | 08:33 |
| Jucato | yeah... I noticed.. customers_suck = group blog? | 08:34 |
| Hobbsee | yup | 08:34 |
| Jucato | about customers who suck? | 08:34 |
| Jucato | duh! :P | 08:34 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 08:34 |
| Jucato | don't you read?!?! | 08:34 |
| Hobbsee | non-existnat info? sure! | 08:36 |
| moope1 | hullo, what are the plans for networking for Heron, Although much better knetworkmanager still needs some sorting out. | 08:45 |
| _StefanS_ | hi all | 08:55 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: I think the only plan is to follow official knm track | 08:59 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: I know theyre going to support networkmanager 0.7 in the next knm version | 08:59 |
| moope1 | _StefanS_: knm track? | 09:00 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: their plan is to support the new underlying networkmanager 0.7 with the (new) features it provides | 09:01 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: kubuntu will just bundle the newest stable release | 09:02 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: do correct me if I'm wrong | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | that would be the plan | 09:03 |
| Hobbsee | although knetworkmanager upstream could likely do with some help | 09:03 |
| _StefanS_ | yes, and its something thats on my list... although I havent been able to do much lately. We've talked about a redesign of the gui in the WPA(2) Enterprise/Personal settings since they're confusing | 09:04 |
| _StefanS_ | havent had the time to do mockups and code though :( | 09:04 |
| _StefanS_ | ah that good lack of time... | 09:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: maybe we should change the topic on kde4 beta4; it has been there for a week or something :) | 09:09 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:09 |
| _StefanS_ | or is it coming ? | 09:09 |
| Hobbsee | unsure | 09:09 |
| _StefanS_ | uh | 09:10 |
| WaltzingAlong | coming in the next day or so | 09:11 |
| WaltzingAlong | !! | 09:11 |
| _StefanS_ | okay great | 09:11 |
| moope1 | _StefanS_ thanks for the info | 09:11 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: no problem, and do ask again if you need more info.. Hobbsee can be of great help too | 09:12 |
| _StefanS_ | I hope :D | 09:12 |
| Hobbsee | i can? :P | 09:14 |
| moope1 | imho (if there is such a think) the networking is he last real problem kubuntu has | 09:15 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: could you explain how you see the problems in the current version? | 09:15 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: might help | 09:15 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: on procedures, people to talk to, responsibilities etc. you know a hell lot more than i do ;) | 09:16 |
| Hobbsee | okay, good point :P | 09:16 |
| _StefanS_ | ;) | 09:16 |
| moope1 | _StefanS_: Maybe just my wireless card but connecting to a wireless network can take a long time. on occasion, the entire thing dies and it wont connect to anything. Hopping on and off networks seems to cause crashes. | 09:19 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: what brand of wireless ? | 09:19 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: atheros, intel.. ? | 09:19 |
| moope1 | broadcom | 09:19 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: in a laptop? | 09:20 |
| moope1 | yup | 09:20 |
| WaltzingAlong | or let the user know that settings stored in knetworkmanager/kwallet mean that user has to be logged in, kwallet accessed - some may want systemwide settings | 09:20 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: got the chipset version? | 09:20 |
| moope1 | sure | 09:20 |
| moope1 | 1 sec | 09:20 |
| _StefanS_ | WaltzingAlong: you mean if you were to have a machine with wireless used by multiple people? | 09:22 |
| _StefanS_ | WaltzingAlong: and have network access upon boot | 09:22 |
| moope1 | BCM4312 802.11 a/b/g (rev 01) | 09:22 |
| WaltzingAlong | _StefanS_: mostly the second option; not knetworkmanager's job but new users (and some old ones) may not know that | 09:23 |
| moope1 | yeah, I was having problems with the wallet thing yesterday, I had entered an incorrect WEP key but it had been stored in the wallet, I have to go in and delete the entry from the wallet. | 09:23 |
| moope1 | I dont like the wallet, main reason why I dont use konqueror :( | 09:24 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: well interaction with the wallet should be improved alot so you can manage the stuff entirely from knm imho, | 09:24 |
| _StefanS_ | WaltzingAlong: actually it could be solved by having the kcm module for configuring the network adapters, supporting wireless as well | 09:25 |
| _StefanS_ | WaltzingAlong: and that wireless config should just be active if knm is not running | 09:25 |
| WaltzingAlong | _StefanS_: right. networkmanager comes across as the tool to manage the network configure - which it is but per user | 09:25 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm I need more coffee | 09:26 |
| WaltzingAlong | and i am not arguing that knm should also add to /etc/network/interfaces just that the user knows that perhaps upon first use with knm | 09:26 |
| _StefanS_ | WaltzingAlong: yes definitely something to be looked at | 09:29 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: isn't this something to be written up as a use case? | 09:29 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: you wireless is probably working fine.. I've had similar issues with not being able to connect to anything (seems like nm leaves the wireless in some unknown state) | 09:30 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: cant pick up AP or anything | 09:31 |
| moope1 | No it does work fine, when it happens I use the iw set of tools | 09:33 |
| moope1 | just gets a bit borked with knm | 09:33 |
| moope1 | I havent tested yet but when I was using knm in feisty and I tried to manually set gateway and dns it all went really wrong. | 09:34 |
| _StefanS_ | moope1: so you can reset it back with iw? | 09:34 |
| moope1 | It works using iw, when it messes up I just use cli | 09:35 |
| moope1 | abandon it | 09:35 |
| moope1 | fiddling with it too much usually results it it crashing :) | 09:35 |
| _StefanS_ | yes unfortunately | 09:35 |
| moope1 | I like the interface tho :) | 09:36 |
| _StefanS_ | yes, but its fragile I agree | 09:36 |
| moope1 | Where should I be writing all this down. I have been using kubuntu for too long without putting somwthing back | 09:36 |
| _StefanS_ | yes it would be way cool to have it all written down | 09:37 |
| moope1 | do you have a proper testing procedure? | 09:37 |
| _StefanS_ | it makes it alot easier to fix because you know the full scope of the problem(s) | 09:37 |
| _StefanS_ | not as much as ubuntu unfortunately | 09:37 |
| moope1 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs Ill be spending more time on here :) | 09:40 |
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| moope1 | Just found the "Microsoft has a majority market share" bug :) | 09:42 |
| WaltzingAlong | bug #1 | 09:45 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 09:45 |
| GNUton | Hi! | 10:27 |
| jpatrick | hi GNUton | 10:28 |
| Tonio_ | hi | 10:28 |
| Tonio_ | hum very strange issue, since this morning my desktop points on / | 10:28 |
| Tonio_ | can someone confirm ? | 10:28 |
| * Jucato waves hi to _StefanS_, Tonio_, jpatrick, GNUton | 10:28 | |
| _StefanS_ | jey you | 10:28 |
| _StefanS_ | hey you | 10:28 |
| Jucato | :) | 10:29 |
| GNUton | I've updated KUbuntu some minutes ago, and apt-get has installed the last kdelibs5 package, but the others packages (kdepim kdebase...) missing and i'm unable to compile KDE4 apps.. | 10:30 |
| GNUton | the linker give me unresolved symbols error.. | 10:30 |
| GNUton | (for KDE4 packagers maintainer) So please add all the needed packages. | 10:31 |
| Hobbsee | they all have to build against the kdelibs stuff. i'ts ocming. | 10:31 |
| jpatrick | GNUton: did you install kdebase-workspace-dev ? | 10:31 |
| GNUton | however hello jpatrick, Tonio_, Jucato, Hobbsee! :) | 10:32 |
| Hobbsee | greetings | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | hi GNUton | 10:32 |
| Jucato | Greetings, earthlings! | 10:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: hardy? | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes ;) | 10:33 |
| GNUton | Hobbsee: no, i didn't! | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: same issue with a new user | 10:33 |
| GNUton | Hobbsee: i'm installing it now.. | 10:33 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: ^ | 10:34 |
| jpatrick | Hobbsee: ;) | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also, in kcontrol/path module, clicking on "defaults" sets a / | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and changing the value has no effect | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no idea what has been changed btw, did you change kdelibs things ? | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: fyi that didn't happen yesterday after my hardy switch and a reboot, just this morning, I don't know what was changed in between... | 10:36 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: try running xdg-user-dirs-update | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: command not found... | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | installing the package and testing | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: seems to have worked..... at least choosing defaults seems to select the good folders......... | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the probably is due to fact that the packaging xdg-user-dirs is not installed by default no ? | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | I suspect some change might require the utility to be started ? | 10:40 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's started as part of the X session if you have it installed | 10:41 |
| Riddell | I should probably make it a depencency of kdelibs | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: worked, thanks | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yep I suspect that would nice indeed, especially since the package is super little | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: want me to do this ? I'm on contrib day today too | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ho and to finish adept ftbfs on the buildd, i386 seems broken........... | 10:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: please do | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: oki | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | oooh, bad debian. | 11:09 |
| Hobbsee | konversation upstream will likely eat them | 11:11 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: why? | 11:14 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: they've chucked a svn snapshot of konversation into experimental. | 11:15 |
| Riddell | I doubt that'll be a problem, nobody uses experimental unless they really know what's they're in for | 11:16 |
| Hobbsee | sho usually expresses great displeasure when any distro distributes any svn version of konversation at all. | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: sho usually expresses great displeasure with everything | 11:20 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: well, there si that. | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: he doesn't seem to understand what "free software" means | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | whatever you do, as long as it is not based on the standard tarball without any change, is a problem | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 11:21 |
| Hobbsee | i'm surprised the licencing stuff doesnt say that | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | he reacts as if konversation is a proprietary software... | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: to be honnest, if there was a good alternative to konversation, I would get rid of it for kubuntu just to get rid of him complaning all the time | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 11:24 |
| Hobbsee | there seems ot be no good alternative. | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: unfortunatelly :) | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: kopete might be a good irc client, I never played with him a lot | 11:26 |
| Hobbsee | im clients never make good irc clients. | 11:26 |
| jpatrick | I second that^ | 11:26 |
| sebas | AFAIK, Will Stephenson is working on improving that, Hobbsee | 11:26 |
| sebas | They do share a lot of things IMO | 11:26 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 11:27 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, it's possible it could be. but they tend not to | 11:27 |
| sebas | Well, purely technical they do | 11:28 |
| Riddell | 555555 | 11:29 |
| Riddell | ~z | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: testing right now :) | 11:29 |
| Riddell | ahem | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: this is the cat, again? | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | re | 11:29 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: this is screen going silly | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | sure sure. | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: bah, honnestly, it is not bad at all | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: except our default theme that is not nice for irc | 11:30 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | well it is a correct irc client | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: to be honnest, I might give a try to make it my default irc client :) | 11:34 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 11:36 |
| Tonio__ | Hobbsee: argh, no way to use it as the default client, since when you close the chat window, you leave the channels........... that's bad | 11:36 |
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| Hobbsee | hehe | 11:37 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 11:37 |
| Hobbsee | i thought it was something like that. | 11:37 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: well acording to sho (once again) that's better as the closing in the systray is eil | 11:38 |
| Riddell | he's right there :) | 11:39 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's an opinion indeed | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what I don't like is that he doesn't accept distros to change the default settings to their needs | 11:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: thatgoes against free softwares imho | 11:42 |
| _StefanS_ | maybe he should just change the license and set a $99 price tag on it. | 11:42 |
| _StefanS_ | see how many that uses it after that :) | 11:43 |
| jpatrick | Czessi: kio-ftps revued. | 12:29 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger__: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44608/ | 12:40 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: hop | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: one problem - i'm not a council member :) | 13:18 |
| * Mez shrugs | 13:18 | |
| Mez | but they abused it by giving you access to change my level | 13:18 |
| Mez | so they're abusic | 13:19 |
| Mez | and I thought you were | 13:19 |
| Hobbsee | Mez: sorry. i missed, anyway. i was going to get gary. | 13:19 |
| Hobbsee | no, i've never been on it. | 13:19 |
| Mez | Hobbsee, three times? | 13:19 |
| Hobbsee | no, just the last couple. | 13:19 |
| Hobbsee | hitting the up key out of habit can be bad. | 13:19 |
| Hobbsee | (don't ask how many times i've rm -rf'd ~ by accident, thinking it was screen -R ) | 13:20 |
| jpatrick | anyone else's kde break with gutsy-updates? | 13:35 |
| Tm_T | jpatrick: what updates were there? | 13:36 |
| Tm_T | and which KDE | 13:36 |
| jpatrick | Tm_T: I can't remember, that's my problem | 13:36 |
| Jucato | how is it broken? | 13:36 |
| Tonio_ | hey Tm_T | 13:36 |
| Jucato | vbox kubuntu gutsy isn't... and it's more or less pristine... | 13:37 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: kio_apt upstream, known? | 13:37 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: click konqueror, kontact, nothing happens | 13:37 |
| Jucato | ok let me try | 13:37 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: scary thing is that there's no debug either | 13:38 |
| Jucato | :/ | 13:39 |
| Jucato | jpatrick: worksforme | 13:40 |
| jpatrick | lastest updates from today: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44615/ | 13:41 |
| jpatrick | Jucato: funny, there was like 14 different processes for konqueror, working again now | 13:45 |
| Jucato | :) | 13:45 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: trying to........... not that easy for me to maintain anything :) | 13:47 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: any help is welcome :) | 13:48 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: concerning the theme for konvi, sho suggested me that one, which I must say, I love : usr/share/apps/adept_batch/adept_batchui.rc | 13:48 |
| Tonio_ | oups | 13:48 |
| Tonio_ | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Tango+Theme+for+Konversation?content=51838 | 13:48 |
| Jucato | afaik he already added it to the installed themes in SVN | 13:49 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: yep, that's why we'll wait for the next stable release to change this | 13:50 |
| Jucato | which I also heard he'll do before hardy feature freeze | 13:50 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: but as this theme is readable, which is important for me, and graphically rich, which is important for him, let's go with this I'd say | 13:50 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: yep that's what I was told too | 13:50 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: nice :) | 13:50 |
| nixternal | is it just me, or is there a big Vista banner on kde-look.org at the top? | 14:00 |
| vorian | go to my pc . com | 14:05 |
| vorian | that's what i see :) | 14:05 |
| nixternal | http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kdevista.png | 14:06 |
| vorian | noice | 14:07 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: traitor. | 14:13 |
| mhb | good afternoon | 14:26 |
| Hobbsee | tag | 14:26 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: guten tag, if that's what you prefer .o) | 14:28 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 14:28 |
| Jucato | nixternal: not over here... still plain text-based ads by google :) | 14:30 |
| Jucato | I'm guessing it depends on the ads served up by google depending on the user :) | 14:30 |
| Jucato | hi mhb, Hobbsee, nixternal, Vista | 14:31 |
| mhb | hey Jucato, so you've switched from Kubuntu to Vista? | 14:33 |
| mhb | :o) | 14:33 |
| Jucato | almost | 14:34 |
| Jucato | j/k :P | 14:34 |
| Jucato | I was able to use a Compaq laptop w/ Vista pre-installed for about 2 minutes or so... | 14:34 |
| Jucato | not particularly impressed... the menu is a ripoff of kbfx... the "style" of the main menu (single button rather than icon w/ "Start") is a ripoff of KDE... | 14:35 |
| jcastro | good morning kubuntu folks! | 14:36 |
| Jucato | hallow jcastro | 14:36 |
| jcastro | http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1072 | 14:36 |
| Hobbsee | greetings jcastro | 14:36 |
| jcastro | this is going to be like one big ongoing open week to get MOTUs, so if you guys want to schedule kubuntu-specific MOTU outreach sessions, please let me know | 14:37 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: & | 14:37 |
| Hobbsee | !visternal | 14:37 |
| ubotu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | 14:37 |
| * Hobbsee wonders if he has that on highlight. | 14:37 | |
| Jucato | jcastro: nice first comment on jono's post :P | 14:37 |
| mhb | free as in free money... | 14:38 |
| jcastro | Jucato: yeah, I'm sure we'll get alot of that for a while, even though we fixed it in a few hours, sigh. | 14:38 |
| nixternal | booyahcah | 14:40 |
| * nixternal doesn't want to go to school today | 14:41 | |
| Hobbsee | do my exam instead then | 14:41 |
| nixternal | but seeing as I ditched class on Tuesday, I need to go today | 14:41 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: what class? | 14:41 |
| Hobbsee | physics - electromagnetism, etc. | 14:41 |
| nixternal | no freakin' way | 14:41 |
| nixternal | although, I might get lucky in electromagnetism, unless they go super scientific | 14:42 |
| Hobbsee | well, you can fail it, or i can, so... | 14:42 |
| nixternal | lol | 14:42 |
| Hobbsee | well, it *is* physics. | 14:42 |
| * Jucato is still traumatized by soldering irons... | 14:42 | |
| nixternal | Jucato: I have a soldering iron here that will never traumatize | 14:42 |
| Jucato | I'd rather use Vista... | 14:42 |
| Jucato | :) | 14:42 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 14:42 |
| Jucato | time for that cold shower in the middle of a very cold night :) | 14:43 |
| nixternal | speaking of Vista, I installed Safari on it yesterday, and to say the least, I am not impressed | 14:43 |
| Tm_T | Konqueror <3 | 14:51 |
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| * Jucato resists the urge to reply to nixternal's post... | 15:10 | |
| Jucato | "untamed Google ads reveals the person's Google usage patterns" :D | 15:11 |
| Jucato | s/reveals/reveal/ | 15:11 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: what's interesting with safari is the engine | 15:14 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: fast and opensource engine | 15:15 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: safari UI is very basic | 15:15 |
| Jucato | webkit? | 15:23 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: not basic, crippled | 15:24 |
| Tonio_ | ah ;) | 15:25 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: the osx version is not that bad | 15:25 |
| Tm_T | it is | 15:26 |
| Tm_T | Tonio_: I have never used other than OSX version, and it is painnnn | 15:26 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: bah ! not that much in my opinion | 15:29 |
| Tm_T | yup | 15:29 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_T: of course I prefer konqueror, but honnestly, webkit is today way better than khtml | 15:29 |
| Tm_T | hm | 15:29 |
| Tm_T | perhaps | 15:30 |
| Tonio_ | I can't wayt for kde4 to be able to use konqueror with webkit | 15:30 |
| Tm_T | but without proper UI it's nothing | 15:30 |
| mhb | Tonio_: you'll wait for quite some time before that happens | 15:30 |
| mhb | Tonio_: Kubuntu 9.04 maybe | 15:31 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: according to what I read, it looks like both khtml and webkit will be available | 15:31 |
| Riddell | mhb: what makes you say that? | 15:31 |
| mhb | hmm, perhaps my information were outdated, because last time I read info about WebKit, they were going for it once it is in Qt4... | 15:31 |
| Riddell | yes | 15:32 |
| mhb | that means it first would have to go into Qt4.X, then into KDE and the transition takes time | 15:32 |
| Riddell | qt 4.4 is due around march/april | 15:32 |
| Riddell | and the kpart is in svn (dunno how well it works mind) | 15:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kpart for kde3 ? :) | 15:33 |
| mhb | if it's the typical KDE "testing" stability, then I wouldn't even bother trying it :o) | 15:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no | 15:33 |
| mhb | their "beta" is what I'd call alpha | 15:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ok :'( | 15:34 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: pre-alpha concerning kde4 | 15:34 |
| Tonio_ | I didn't understand too why calling this "beta" | 15:34 |
| Riddell | it's being done by trolltech, not KDE | 15:36 |
| mhb | yes, but KDE has to integrate it, which might be the bottleneck IMHO ... the guys will rather concentrate on fixing bugs elsewhere in KDE4.0 | 15:37 |
| Riddell | KDE doesn't have to do anything, we just set the webkit kpart as default | 15:38 |
| mhb | which means the new exciting features get delayed, and delays are squared in the free software world | 15:38 |
| mhb | Riddell: I guess I'm too pessimistic. Let's see how it turns out! | 15:38 |
| begert_ | hey people | 15:39 |
| seele | is anything going to happen with the grub config ui or is that unlikely? | 15:47 |
| seele | i know there were issues with updates resetting config files | 15:47 |
| mhb | seele: it's cursed, all the people that offered help with it while I was doing GSoC lost their interest eventually | 15:48 |
| mhb | seele: its fate is tied with the GNOME counterpart, which was created during this UDS and I think it's in universe | 15:48 |
| Jucato | doesn't Ubuntu have one already? | 15:48 |
| mhb | err, s/UDS/SoC | 15:48 |
| mhb | seele: ^^ | 15:48 |
| Jucato | (answers my Q too) | 15:49 |
| seele | mhb: ah | 15:55 |
| begert_ | if I am trying to get involved with Kubuntu development, is it kind of a waste to dig into KDE4 (waste may be a harsh word) | 15:57 |
| seele | ouch, don't let troy hear that | 15:58 |
| Jucato | that depends. what part of Kubuntu development are you trying to get involved with at this point? | 15:58 |
| begert_ | I would like to try and touch all aspects to get a feel for what I might most be interested in | 15:59 |
| begert_ | I like triaging and maybe eventually bug fixing | 16:01 |
| begert_ | I like to test software | 16:01 |
| Jucato | well I think at this point in time, most of the KDE 4 plans for Kubuntu revolve around packaging it and figuring out how to do the transition from KDE 3 to KDE 4 | 16:01 |
| begert_ | I also think packaging could be interesting | 16:02 |
| Jucato | although it will only be until Kubuntu 8.10 that we'll ship KDE 4 as the default | 16:02 |
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| begert_ | right, so i can see where keeping up to date on how KDE4 is coming along, I want a more immediate way of contributing.....if that makes sense | 16:03 |
| Jucato | makes perfect sense :) | 16:04 |
| Jucato | you can always focus on the here and now problems :) | 16:04 |
| Jucato | let's see.... there's bug triaging and fixing, packaging, documentation, helping mhb... | 16:05 |
| Jucato | fixing adept.. | 16:05 |
| begert_ | heh | 16:06 |
| * Jucato is not really the person to hand out junior jobs | 16:06 | |
| begert_ | I know there are lots of places to help, and have read what i think is most of the HOWTO type stuff | 16:06 |
| Jucato | I guess it helps narrow things down if you have a particular are of interest or talent/skill/knowledge | 16:06 |
| begert_ | I just still find that I am having trouble seeing how to jump in | 16:07 |
| begert_ | well, I am a C++ programmer | 16:07 |
| Jucato | oooh that's a big plus :) | 16:07 |
| begert_ | I don't know a ton about linux | 16:07 |
| Jucato | begert_: you've read this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu | 16:08 |
| * begert_ doesn't claim to be a great C++ programmer | 16:08 | |
| Jucato | heh you're definitely a better one that I am | 16:08 |
| * Jucato claims to still be a C++ student | 16:08 | |
| Jucato | begert_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyCatchup has some of the goals for hardy | 16:09 |
| Jucato | and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyKde4 as well | 16:09 |
| begert_ | yea, I think I have read through that | 16:09 |
| begert_ | I have a launchpad account and have submitted/half triaged a few bugs | 16:10 |
| Jucato | hm.. not knowing what else to suggest, I'd say continue with the bug triage and try to see if you could fix some of them :) | 16:10 |
| begert_ | true :P | 16:10 |
| Jucato | Riddell, nixternal: if you have any ideas for junior jobs/low hanging fruits for begert_ | 16:10 |
| Jucato | mhb: you too :) | 16:11 |
| Jucato | in the meantime.. brb :) | 16:11 |
| begert_ | i suppose it could help if I came in here with a specific bug and asked on best ways to triage and whatnot | 16:11 |
| begert_ | can't do much right now since I am at work :P | 16:12 |
| mhb | begert_: that is a nice way to learn ... find a bug that bothers you personally (and you can reproduce it), try to triage it and if you don't know, come here and ask | 16:12 |
| * Jucato wonders what mhb's bug number is... | 16:12 | |
| Jucato | hm.. brb.. | 16:12 |
| begert_ | sounds about right... | 16:13 |
| mhb | Jucato: I am the bug that bothers you? :o) | 16:13 |
| Jucato | ah wait... I can't reproduce that bug... so that's off my list :P | 16:13 |
| mhb | begert_: it's quite hard to fix bugs unless you can reproduce them on your machine | 16:13 |
| Jucato | it's hard to fix bugs that can't be reproduce anywhere too :) | 16:14 |
| begert_ | yea, I imagine one of the hardest things is finding a bug that I can reproduce | 16:18 |
| nixternal | Jucato: dev jobs? or any job? | 16:26 |
| Jucato | not for me :P | 16:26 |
| Jucato | for begert_. he knows C++!!!!! | 16:26 |
| * jpatrick does too | 16:27 | |
| * nixternal does three | 16:27 | |
| * Jucato does minus one | 16:27 | |
| nixternal | hehe | 16:27 |
| Jucato | time to learn gtkmm :P | 16:27 |
| nixternal | you are getting there young jedi | 16:27 |
| * Jucato dies | 16:27 | |
| nixternal | eww | 16:27 |
| * nixternal helps Jucato die | 16:27 | |
| * nixternal gives him vista premium on a 486 | 16:27 | |
| Jucato | heh yeah I'm getting there... if I can only stop myself from writing stuff... :P | 16:28 |
| jpatrick | nixternal: could you revu kopete-thinklight on revu? | 16:28 |
| nixternal | when I get home I can | 16:28 |
| Jucato | anyway, off to bed w/ me | 16:28 |
| Jucato | oh you didn't play hooky? :D | 16:28 |
| nixternal | I came to class today thinking we were in a the lecture hall and not the lab...so right now I am using XP and Putty | 16:28 |
| nixternal | err | 16:28 |
| nixternal | I guess I could review | 16:28 |
| nixternal | Host '3LockBox', running Linux 2.6.22-14-generic - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 2200 MHz; Up: 1d+17:26; Users: 1; Load: 0.03; Free: [Mem: 423/941 Mio] [Swap: 863/863 Mio] [/: 11461/14084 Mio] [/boot: 93/122 Mio] [/home: 37381/41301 Mio] [/media/maxtor: 142410/150230 Mio]; Vpenis: 93.4 cm; | 16:28 |
| nixternal | I think pbuilder or sbuild is on this machine | 16:29 |
| jpatrick | nixternal: it pbuilds fine, just needs an ack :) | 16:29 |
| nixternal | can't login to revu though | 16:29 |
| nixternal | can I ack here for you? | 16:29 |
| nixternal | did they finally fix revu so Lintian doesn't cry about the distro anymore | 16:30 |
| jpatrick | sure :) I think apachelogger would like it | 16:30 |
| jpatrick | yep | 16:30 |
| nixternal | I wonder whos idea it was to just whip up these useless man pages | 16:30 |
| nixternal | all they do is eventually create bug reports | 16:31 |
| nixternal | I think it is stupid..wtf do gui apps need man pages anyays when they typically have a much more extensive help document with them | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | +1 | 16:31 |
| nixternal | I think whoever made that rule up is stupid | 16:31 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: btw, revu is eating my uploads -.- | 16:31 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: explains the freaky khalkhicards thing | 16:32 |
| nixternal | this is a freakin' plugin at that....right apachelogger? honestly, I would remove the man page, and if someone bitches, give um the thumb :p | 16:32 |
| * nixternal goes to -motu to raise hell | 16:32 | |
| * apachelogger gives lintian and linda the thumb | 16:32 | |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: well, something's really strange about that as well | 16:33 |
| jpatrick | nixternal: I think it's binary-must-have-man | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | anyway, I reuploded... but since revu is eating my uploads | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | yep | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | all binary | 16:33 |
| * apachelogger updates his oxygen kde3 port | 16:33 | |
| nixternal | there, I made my rant, and it is only a matter of time until someone says "because Debian says so" | 16:33 |
| nixternal | jpatrick: it is, and it is stupid | 16:34 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: and is the plug a binary.. or a .so file? :> | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: I has not clue | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | good I love stupid sentences :D | 16:35 |
| nixternal | jpatrick: it creates a binary | 16:36 |
| nixternal | even has its own config ui | 16:36 |
| jpatrick | odd, I thought it would just make a .so would kopete grabs | 16:36 |
| nixternal | creates that too | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | so, who do I have to send the cookies to, to get revu fixed? | 16:39 |
| mhb | nixternal: why are you upset, google ads remember your !nixternal phrase, that's all | 16:39 |
| mhb | :o) | 16:39 |
| nixternal | haha | 16:40 |
| nixternal | nice | 16:40 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: nix the man page and you get my ack! | 16:41 |
| nixternal | there be no /usr/bin binary | 16:42 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: revu is eating my uploads, so I can't remove it | 16:42 |
| nixternal | jeesh...getting the lib deps takes longer than building the actual package :) | 16:42 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 16:43 |
| nixternal | that stinks...can you put it somewhere that jpatrick can grab it and upload it? | 16:43 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: how about I remove it here and upload? | 16:43 |
| * nixternal hopes that his pyqt4 book will be in the mailbox when he gets home | 16:44 | |
| nixternal | that will work too :) | 16:44 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: would be even better if you could direct me to a revu admin so I get my uploads fixed :P | 16:44 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: ask siretart on -motu | 16:45 |
| nixternal | jpatrick: hey, before you upload, you might want to strip the *.la from it | 16:46 |
| nixternal | no biggy, but it will eventually need it | 16:46 |
| nixternal | it doesn't create a binary..I was wrong...just 2 .so and 2 .la files as well as the kcfg and desktop files | 16:46 |
| nixternal | ahh, I was wrong once again | 16:47 |
| nixternal | this is so stupid | 16:47 |
| nixternal | |45|46|47|51| Tm_T | 16:47 |
| nixternal | Freenode@#kubuntu-devel:~$ | 16:47 |
| nixternal | wth | 16:47 |
| nixternal | Putty and right clicking is weird | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | oh | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | hm | 16:47 |
| * apachelogger is wondering | 16:47 | |
| nixternal | it does create a binary -> kopete_thinklight_fixpermissions | 16:48 |
| apachelogger | right | 16:48 |
| apachelogger | just wanted to say that :D | 16:48 |
| nixternal | and it is in /usr/bin, so according to the idiots who made up the ruls, you need to have a man page I guess | 16:48 |
| nixternal | haha, don't try and install that plugin on a headless server :p | 16:49 |
| nixternal | my window just filled up with deps it needs to install first :) | 16:49 |
| nixternal | jpatrick and apachelogger: only recommendation is the removal of the 2 .la files that are created from the .deb | 16:50 |
| jpatrick | nixternal: what's wrong with .la files? | 16:53 |
| nixternal | jpatrick: we remove them from packages, we don't use nor install them anymore | 16:54 |
| jpatrick | ah, and what's the rule? | 16:55 |
| jpatrick | post-build:: ? | 16:55 |
| nixternal | I am trying to remember | 17:01 |
| nixternal | I think I just created .install files and never added the .la files | 17:01 |
| nixternal | usr/lib/kde3/*.so | 17:02 |
| nixternal | usr/share | 17:02 |
| nixternal | +/* to that one | 17:02 |
| nixternal | and usr/bin/* | 17:02 |
| nixternal | that would install everything but the .la files | 17:02 |
| jpatrick | ok will do | 17:03 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=649 | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: really, cdbs should remove the la's | 17:06 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: I think you are right, I can't remember how you go about it right now | 17:07 |
| nixternal | I have my notes on it in my laptop, which is about 15 miles from me right now :( | 17:07 |
| apachelogger | online storage++ | 17:08 |
| nixternal | shush :) | 17:09 |
| jpatrick | ssh++ | 17:09 |
| nixternal | I setup an svn server at home just for that 2 months ago, and guess what? I haven't even used it yet :0 | 17:09 |
| nixternal | shh++ | 17:09 |
| nixternal | ;P | 17:09 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: uploaded! | 17:13 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick++ | 17:16 |
| apachelogger | thanks | 17:16 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: no, insanity's not here ;) | 17:16 |
| * apachelogger is wondering who's fault that is :P | 17:16 | |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: btw, how many packages to go until I may become a master? | 17:17 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: how long have you been packaging for? | 17:17 |
| jpatrick | I think they want quality not quantity | 17:17 |
| apachelogger | now, do I do bad quality? ;-) | 17:18 |
| jpatrick | not at all | 17:18 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: how come you aren't a MOTU yet? | 17:19 |
| nixternal | is it because you concentrate on KDE packages only? :p | 17:19 |
| * apachelogger is frightened of being reject :P | 17:19 | |
| apachelogger | really, that would be hell embarrassing | 17:20 |
| jpatrick | why? | 17:20 |
| nixternal | when I went for MOTU, 2 people brought up the whole "you only do KDE packages, why?" I was like "I hate gnome!" | 17:20 |
| jpatrick | I had the spanish inquistion at my application :( | 17:20 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: the amarok guys would mess with me for the next 2 years or something | 17:20 |
| nixternal | heh | 17:20 |
| nixternal | persia drilled me | 17:20 |
| nixternal | I don't have any need, let alone want, to do any gnome packages, unless someone needs my help | 17:20 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: I actually thought about doing some GNOME packages as wel | 17:20 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: well the kubuntu guys are behind you here :) | 17:21 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: do a couple so you can say "see, I am well diversed" :p | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | never bad to show support for the freedesktop in general, I guess ;-) | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: aye :D | 17:21 |
| nixternal | hehe | 17:21 |
| Nightrose | hehe apachelogger we would not | 17:21 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 17:21 |
| Nightrose | we love you - don´t you know? | 17:21 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: 50 bucks eean would do :P | 17:21 |
| Nightrose | hehe ok maybe eean would | 17:21 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: seriously, I think khalkhicards hates me :( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44631/ | 17:23 |
| jpatrick | btw, that's the upload you just did^ | 17:23 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 17:24 |
| * apachelogger fetches again from revu | 17:24 | |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: well | 17:27 |
| apachelogger | I think | 17:27 |
| apachelogger | revu hates me | 17:27 |
| apachelogger | really bad | 17:27 |
| jpatrick | god, they're getting our kde pkgers.. | 17:28 |
| nixternal | whois they? | 17:28 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: ah, wait.. it's working now | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | it is? | 17:29 |
| jpatrick | yeah | 17:29 |
| * apachelogger tries again | 17:31 | |
| stdin | Woot! just make my first Qt app from scratch :D | 17:33 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: still doesn't do for me | 17:34 |
| nixternal | stdin: what did you make? | 17:34 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: pbuilding fine here | 17:34 |
| stdin | nixternal: it's just a little thing that lets you type in a command and then it runs it and displays the output | 17:35 |
| nixternal | coolio | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: aye, I was missing a file :P | 17:35 |
| * apachelogger should start reading | 17:35 | |
| nixternal | my first one was an immitation of the old error message, that when you would go to click OK, the window would move so you couldn't click it | 17:35 |
| nixternal | :) | 17:35 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: use dget dscfilelocation.dsc ;) | 17:36 |
| stdin | nixternal: http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9431/runan1.png :) | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | yeah, I'm doing that now :P | 17:36 |
| nixternal | that looks purty | 17:37 |
| stdin | that's without using any designer, all code :) | 17:37 |
| nixternal | now extend on it, have it connect to a server and automatically run cronjobs that destroy the world | 17:37 |
| nixternal | :) | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | hm | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | no world destruction! | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | if ye destroy it, we have nothing to take control over | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | which makes my motives kinda invalid | 17:38 |
| stdin | where's that <QNuclearBom> include now? | 17:38 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 17:39 |
| stdin | missing the "b", but you got it | 17:39 |
| nixternal | I need to find a nice exfoliation kit for men...my face is so dry | 17:40 |
| stdin | I tried to follow the KDE development tutorials, but they quickly went way over my head. so I tried the Qt ones and it's going well so far | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | http://www.gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/GBirthday?content=68443 I so don't wanna package a gtk python app -.- | 17:41 |
| nixternal | hehe | 17:41 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: no reason to fix these? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44634/ | 17:44 |
| apachelogger | you know the problem with having a package in revu for 6 months is, that you tend to forget things | 17:45 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: I'll fix that | 17:45 |
| lnxkde | hey guys | 17:46 |
| lnxkde | someone can give me a hand with a deb I am making..? | 17:47 |
| lnxkde | I am tring to make a deb of libgpod | 17:47 |
| lnxkde | and amarok wont see it | 17:47 |
| lnxkde | I did the first one with a plain ./configure | 17:47 |
| lnxkde | [13:46] <lnxkde> and the second try was with a ./configure --sysconfdir=/etc | 17:47 |
| bddebian | Heya | 17:47 |
| lnxkde | not sure if I am confguring it right because amarokwont see the lib... | 17:48 |
| jpatrick | lnxkde: ./configure --prefix=/usr | 17:48 |
| lnxkde | :s | 17:48 |
| lnxkde | ok | 17:48 |
| Riddell | apt-get install libgpod-dev ? | 17:48 |
| lnxkde | Riddell: I am making my own deb and amarok I am using the deb provided for feisty | 17:50 |
| gnomefreak | anyone have aworking build of amarok2 yet? | 17:50 |
| lnxkde | If this work I will dance naked on the channel | 17:50 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: apachelogger did have packages of it, but they seem to have got lost somewhere in New queue | 17:51 |
| gnomefreak | the ones that were there during gutsy i took and they failed to build unless he uploaded new ones | 17:52 |
| Riddell | yes, it would be very out of date by now | 17:52 |
| apachelogger | not even build actually | 17:53 |
| apachelogger | due to plasma | 17:53 |
| apachelogger | but, I'm probably going to release alpha1 around christmas | 17:53 |
| lnxkde | dint work.. | 17:54 |
| lnxkde | :( | 17:54 |
| gnomefreak | thank god | 17:54 |
| lnxkde | lol | 17:54 |
| gnomefreak | i feared watching you dance | 17:54 |
| gnomefreak | error? | 17:54 |
| lnxkde | deb instakked nicely | 17:54 |
| lnxkde | but when I open amarok I get | 17:55 |
| lnxkde | libgpod.so.2: cant not be found | 17:55 |
| gnomefreak | and you installed libgpod-dev | 17:55 |
| lnxkde | .... | 17:55 |
| lnxkde | no deb of taht made by check install | 17:55 |
| gnomefreak | 12:48 < Riddell > apt-get install libgpod-dev ? | 17:56 |
| gnomefreak | looks needed as build-dep if he told you to install it | 17:56 |
| lnxkde | no no I know the problem now :S | 17:56 |
| lnxkde | new vercion of lib | 17:56 |
| gnomefreak | than install the binary of libgpod unless you use gdebi for kde | 17:56 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 17:56 |
| lnxkde | libgpod.so.3 | 17:56 |
| lnxkde | is the actually | 17:56 |
| lnxkde | so let see if works as a copy :D | 17:57 |
| gnomefreak | that would do it | 17:57 |
| gnomefreak | yay its done uploading wait 30 minutes and see if revu works | 17:58 |
| lnxkde | weeeeeeeee | 17:58 |
| lnxkde | time for the dance | 17:58 |
| lnxkde | buahahhaha | 17:58 |
| * gnomefreak runs away holding eyes | 17:58 | |
| lnxkde | hehe this is nice the thing is that no artwork on my ipod now :s | 18:00 |
| lnxkde | but at lest I can have the music | 18:00 |
| lnxkde | :D | 18:00 |
| lnxkde | darn Ipod claseics 6Gen | 18:00 |
| lnxkde | Riddell: we will have beta5 kde4 packges? | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: W: khalkhi-cards: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/khalkhicards | 18:01 |
| apachelogger | don't we love it | 18:01 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: why did you remove it? | 18:02 |
| lnxkde | bbl going to work now :D | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: nixternal wouldn't like it | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | on the other hand | 18:03 |
| jpatrick | well.. | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | I might not be trusthworthy today | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | <-- serious brain demange from god knows what | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | really, I'm not | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: the app has exactly one thing which would be reason to include a manpage: khalkhicards -->_UID_<--- | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | still, is it really worth it | 18:11 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: just put in the man page | 18:11 |
| * apachelogger restores the manpage | 18:12 | |
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| apachelogger | jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=kopete-otr new upstream, package update, bugfix | 18:15 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: I'm eating right now, I'll get on it asap | 18:24 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: oh, enjoy your meal :) | 18:24 |
| * apachelogger notes that packaging a gnome is sort of more work than kde, because of all the deps | 18:25 | |
| apachelogger | bah, total waste of time .... missing dependency -.- | 18:28 |
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| jpatrick | apachelogger: khalkhi-cards approve but! Add a .install to remove the .la file | 19:31 |
| Riddell | make sure it keeps working if you do that | 19:32 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: but, why remove them? | 19:33 |
| Riddell | well indeed | 19:33 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: kopete-otr FTBFS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44647/ | 19:34 |
| jpatrick | Czessi: kio-ftps gets a +1 from me | 19:35 |
| Czessi | jpatrick: thanks :) | 19:36 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: oh, and maybe the changes to the khalkhi.desktop should be in a .diff | 19:37 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: yo | 19:38 |
| apachelogger_ | re | 19:39 |
| apachelogger_ | stupid austrian ISP | 19:39 |
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| jpatrick | apachelogger: you get me messages? | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: about removing th las | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | s/th/the | 19:41 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: and maybe the changes to the .desktop should go into a diff | 19:41 |
| jpatrick | kopete-otr FTBFS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44647/ too | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | jpatrick: well, -otr is for hardy :P | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | but I'll not continue work on khalkhi, I'm just not of any use today | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | ... I thought the .desktop changes are in a diff... | 19:44 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: oh, damn my eyesight, should kubuntu_01_fix_desktop_file.patch then | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | 01_kubuntu, or? | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | first the number for order of processing | 19:45 |
| jpatrick | no kubuntu_0* is for Kubuntu patches | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | okay | 19:45 |
| * jpatrick makes a hardy pbuild | 19:47 | |
| jpatrick | hallo hunger | 19:54 |
| hunger | Hi there. | 19:55 |
| ryanakca | Ummm... are the beta 4 packages out yet? | 21:07 |
| mhb | Riddell: t-shirted mhb greets you | 21:19 |
| jpatrick | mhb: don't you usually wear tshirts? :> | 21:22 |
| mhb | jpatrick: I do, but this one is special | 21:24 |
| mhb | jpatrick: you don't have many Google Summer of Code T-Shirts lying around | 21:24 |
| mhb | jpatrick: at least I don't .o) | 21:24 |
| jpatrick | ah, cool | 21:24 |
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| Tm_T | nixternal: ? | 21:36 |
| Riddell | mhb: man, I'm so jelous | 21:40 |
| mhb | Riddell: shouldn't you have one, too? | 21:44 |
| Riddell | hopefully soon | 21:47 |
| jpatrick | kwwii: is there a src version of the kubuntu-leaflet? | 23:18 |
| kwwii | jpatrick: I probably have an svg of the version that I made, not sure which one you mean though | 23:19 |
| jpatrick | the one in /usr/share/example-content/kubuntu-leaflet.png | 23:20 |
| kwwii | yes, I have one somewhere...kinda late here though, going to bed soon...ping me tomorrow and perhaps I can find the orig svg | 23:20 |
| jpatrick | ah, me too, and thank you :) | 23:21 |
| kwwii | np | 23:21 |
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