[00:47] <even> i want port kde-power-manager developed for kubuntu to archlinux, who can help me with that?
[00:48] <DaSkreech> even: Hmm?
[02:59] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi KDE 3.96 Tagged --> http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.96/
[03:00] <Tm_T> moo
[03:00] <DaSkreech> CPrgmSwR2: Hey!
[03:00] <Jucato> ...
[03:00] <DaSkreech> I've been trying to grab you for days
[03:00] <Jucato> and we didn't even get beta4 packaged :)
[03:00] <Jucato> so has it been decided if this will be beta5 or rc1?
[03:01] <Tm_T> beta5 is my guess
[03:01] <DaSkreech> I think it's RC1
[03:01] <CPrgmSwR2> DaSkreech: why?
[03:01] <DaSkreech> CPrgmSwR2: People wanted to talk with you :)
[03:01] <CPrgmSwR2> oh really?
[03:02] <CPrgmSwR2> brb in 10 minutes
[03:02] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[03:02] <DaSkreech> ok
[03:02] <Tm_T> harolddong_: hi
[03:03] <harolddong_> hey
[03:03] <harolddong_> I just noticed some updated kdelibs5 packages in the repos
[03:04] <harolddong_> and poppler
[03:04] <Tm_T> sounds scary
[03:04] <harolddong_> does this mean the beta is closer?
[03:04] <Tm_T> what beta?
[03:04] <Jucato> might have been beta4 upgrade?
[03:04] <harolddong_> kde beta 4?
[03:04] <Tm_T> not that I know
[03:05] <Tm_T> though, who knows
[03:05] <Jucato> check the version...
[03:05] <DaSkreech> We have like a month to release
[03:05] <Jucato> afaik it should be 3.95 for beta4
[03:05] <harolddong_> kdelibs 3.95 in the ubuntu repos
[03:06] <Jucato> then that's beta4, afaik
[03:06] <harolddong_> but previously you were supposed to get the kde-workspace package and that's not updated
[03:07] <DaSkreech> isn't 3.96 tagged?
[03:07] <harolddong_> I'm just trying to figure out if its actually fully or not
[03:07] <DaSkreech> as soon as CPrgmSwR2 comes back
[03:07] <DaSkreech> Doh!
[03:07] <harolddong_> they've had that "within a day or so" message up for a few days now
[03:08] <harolddong_> *actually released fully or not
[03:08] <Jucato> harolddong_: think of it this way: every day that passes resets the timer... :)
[03:08] <harolddong_> so what you're saying is that kde4 beta 4 is the the duke nukem forever of the linux world
[03:08] <harolddong_> that's meann
[03:09] <harolddong_> you said it not me
[03:09] <harolddong_> :P
[03:09] <Jucato> huh?
[03:09] <Jucato> kde4 beta4 has been released Oct 30...
[03:09] <Jucato> the only problem is the kubuntu packages
[03:09] <Jucato> nothing to do with kde itself
[03:09] <harolddong_> yeah yeah I know that\
[03:10] <harolddong_> but seeing as how I'm kubuntu
[03:10] <harolddong_> that's all I care about
[03:10]  * Hobbsee spoke to cprov about the ppa breakage
[03:10] <Jucato> Hobbsee: something got through it seems
 kdelibs 3.95 in the ubuntu repos
[03:11] <harolddong_> I mean there are obviously some of the packages in the repos now
[03:11] <harolddong_> yeah
[03:11] <harolddong_> so what's missing now is my question
[03:11] <Hobbsee> yes, -libs might be there
[03:12] <Hobbsee> is kdebase-workspace there?
[03:12] <harolddong_> poppler packages updated too
[03:12] <harolddong_> no like I said workspace isnt
[03:12] <CPrgmSwR2> DaSkreech: back
[03:12] <DaSkreech> CPrgmSwR2: can you join #kdegames ?
[03:13] <harolddong_> should I just wait to install what's in there now?
[03:13] <harolddong_> I'm sitting here staring at it
[03:13] <CPrgmSwR2> Hobbsee: why not scratch kde beta5 and head for kde release canidate 1
[03:14] <Hobbsee> when's the rc 1 out?
[03:14] <Jucato> CPrgmSwR2: so it's been decided to be rc1?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> because the work's already been done, i think
[03:14] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I don't know but I can't see how else
[03:14] <CPrgmSwR2> Hobbsee: RC1 has been tagged 10 hours ago
[03:14] <Jucato> it's been tagged, although I haven't seen the tagging announcement :)
[03:15] <DaSkreech> tags cycles are like 2 weeks and it's about a month till 4.0 relelase
[03:15] <harolddong_> if the work has been done then where is it
[03:15] <CPrgmSwR2> http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.96/
[03:16] <Jucato> DaSkreech: afaik there were some discussion as to whether it should be beta5 or rc1
[03:16] <Hobbsee> CPrgmSwR2: neat.
[03:17] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Yeah But there is one more release cycle before 4.0
[03:17] <Jucato> and?
[03:17] <DaSkreech> RC it and then something comes up you slip the release?
[03:17] <CPrgmSwR2> RC 2?
[03:18] <CPrgmSwR2> Hobbsee: anyways I think what is in tags/KDE/3.96 should be packaged in place of beta5
[03:18] <DaSkreech> That would be on the week of 4.0
[03:18] <DaSkreech> you would have to slide the release
[03:19] <Jucato> that's the idea... unless they settle for just 1 RC release
[07:02] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I guess that's too late for I'm here now :)
[07:02] <Jucato> :)
[07:03] <Tonio_> Jucato: hey :)
[07:03] <Jucato> Tonio_: how's kdesudo doing? :)
[07:03] <Tonio_> Jucato: no big change atm
[07:04] <Tonio_> Jucato: still a couple of bugs to fix.....
[07:04] <Jucato> someone was reporting yesterday that "kdesu -u <username> <app>" doesn't work (whereas it used to under the former kdesu)
[07:04] <Tonio_> Jucato: that's a bug with sudo and not kdesudo
[07:04] <Jucato> hm.. doesn't sudo -u work with that as well?
[07:04] <Tonio_> sudo -u <username> doesn't work, while the option exists
[07:04] <Jucato> ah so it's sudo (again?)
[07:05] <Tonio_> yep
[07:05] <Jucato> but I guess right now the biggest "bug" is with the changing permissions thingy?
[07:05] <Tonio_> Jucato: you mean ?
[07:05] <Jucato> the old bug? has it been fixed?
[07:05]  * Jucato hasn't updated lately :P
[07:06] <Jucato> the one that creates config files in ~/.kde with root ownership instead of the user's
[07:06] <Tonio_> fixed
[07:06] <Jucato> great :)
[07:07]  * Jucato imagines he'll stop receiving e-mails from LP about that bug :D
[07:07] <Tonio_> there's still a bug with the jumping icon not stopping
[07:07] <Jucato> oh
[07:07] <Tonio_> I think _stefans_ is working on this one
[07:07]  * Jucato hasn't seen _StefanS_ lately...
[07:07] <Jucato> come to think of it, has been a bit quiet here lately :)
[07:09] <Tonio_> :)
[07:10] <Tonio_> hum lots of issues with the buildds......
[07:10] <Hobbsee> news at 11.
[07:10] <Jucato> :)
[07:12] <Jucato> Hobbsee: has there been a decision wrt next meeting date/time?
[07:12] <Hobbsee> Jucato: erm, no.  i need to.  plan is for sunday
[07:12] <Jucato> kool
[07:12] <Jucato> gives me more time to write up a wiki detailing some ideas :)
[07:13] <Jucato> I'm going to try and bring in some help from the user community as much as possible... not sure if I will succeed :)
[07:13] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[07:14] <Jucato> blog post w/ wiki and forum post coming soonish (today?)
[08:15] <Jucato> Hobbsee: just in case you're curious and have the time for another longish post: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3088690.0  :P
[08:17]  * Hobbsee looks
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Jucato
[08:20] <Hobbsee> FA's don't do much anyway, so...
[08:21] <Jucato> heh I wouldn't really know... I've somewhat distanced myself from Ubuntuforums for some time now... too crowded, too much traffic, too GNOMEy :P
[08:21] <Jucato> my only real ties is being a moderator of our loco subforum :)
[08:23]  * Nightrose wonders where Hobbsee blogged
[08:23] <Jucato> once or twice... somewhere :)
[08:23]  * Jucato waves to Nightrose
[08:23]  * Nightrose waves back :)
[08:24] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/23689767.html
[08:24] <Nightrose> ah thx ;-)
[08:26] <Nightrose> oO /me feels sorry for Hobbsee...
[08:26] <Jucato> oh wow... you mean you blog, just not on the Planet? O.o
[08:26] <Nightrose> Jucato: that was where I was looking for it first ;-)
[08:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: my wordpress blog != customers_suck
[08:33] <Jucato> aaah ok
[08:34] <Jucato> yeah... I noticed.. customers_suck = group blog?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> yup
[08:34] <Jucato> about customers who suck?
[08:34] <Jucato> duh! :P
[08:34] <Hobbsee> :P
[08:34] <Jucato> don't you read?!?!
[08:36] <Hobbsee> non-existnat info?  sure!
[08:45] <moope1> hullo, what are the plans for networking for Heron, Although much better knetworkmanager still needs some sorting out.
[08:55] <_StefanS_> hi all
[08:59] <_StefanS_> moope1: I think the only plan is to follow official knm track
[08:59] <_StefanS_> moope1: I know theyre going to support networkmanager 0.7 in the next knm version
[09:00] <moope1> _StefanS_: knm track?
[09:01] <_StefanS_> moope1: their plan is to support the new underlying networkmanager 0.7 with the (new) features it provides
[09:02] <_StefanS_> moope1: kubuntu will just bundle the newest stable release
[09:02] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do correct me if I'm wrong
[09:03] <Hobbsee> that would be the plan
[09:03] <Hobbsee> although knetworkmanager upstream could likely do with some help
[09:04] <_StefanS_> yes, and its something thats on my list... although I havent been able to do much lately. We've talked about a redesign of the gui in the WPA(2) Enterprise/Personal settings since they're confusing
[09:04] <_StefanS_> havent had the time to do mockups and code though :(
[09:07] <_StefanS_> ah that good lack of time...
[09:09] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: maybe we should change the topic on kde4 beta4; it has been there for a week or something :)
[09:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:09] <_StefanS_> or is it coming ?
[09:09] <Hobbsee> unsure
[09:10] <_StefanS_> uh
[09:11] <WaltzingAlong> coming in the next day or so
[09:11] <WaltzingAlong> !!
[09:11] <_StefanS_> okay great
[09:11] <moope1> _StefanS_ thanks for the info
[09:12] <_StefanS_> moope1: no problem, and do ask again if you need more info.. Hobbsee can be of great help too
[09:12] <_StefanS_> I hope :D
[09:14] <Hobbsee> i can? :P
[09:15] <moope1> imho (if there is such a think) the networking is he last real problem kubuntu has
[09:15] <_StefanS_> moope1: could you explain how you see the problems in the current version?
[09:15] <_StefanS_> moope1: might help
[09:16] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: on procedures, people to talk to, responsibilities etc. you know a hell lot more than i do ;)
[09:16] <Hobbsee> okay, good point :P
[09:16] <_StefanS_> ;)
[09:19] <moope1> _StefanS_: Maybe just my wireless card but connecting to a wireless network can take a long time. on occasion, the entire thing dies and it wont connect to anything. Hopping on and off networks seems to cause crashes.
[09:19] <_StefanS_> moope1: what brand of wireless ?
[09:19] <_StefanS_> moope1: atheros, intel.. ?
[09:19] <moope1> broadcom
[09:20] <_StefanS_> moope1: in a laptop?
[09:20] <moope1> yup
[09:20] <WaltzingAlong> or let the user know that settings stored in knetworkmanager/kwallet mean that user has to be logged in, kwallet accessed - some may want systemwide settings
[09:20] <_StefanS_> moope1: got the chipset version?
[09:20] <moope1> sure
[09:20] <moope1> 1 sec
[09:22] <_StefanS_> WaltzingAlong: you mean if you were to have a machine with wireless used by multiple people?
[09:22] <_StefanS_> WaltzingAlong: and have network access upon boot
[09:22] <moope1> BCM4312 802.11 a/b/g (rev 01)
[09:23] <WaltzingAlong> _StefanS_: mostly the second option; not knetworkmanager's job but new users (and some old ones) may not know that
[09:23] <moope1> yeah, I was having problems with the wallet thing yesterday, I had entered an incorrect WEP key but it had been stored in the wallet, I have to go in and delete the entry from the wallet.
[09:24] <moope1> I dont like the wallet, main reason why I dont use konqueror :(
[09:24] <_StefanS_> moope1: well interaction with the wallet should be improved alot so you can manage the stuff entirely from knm imho,
[09:25] <_StefanS_> WaltzingAlong: actually it could be solved by having the kcm module for configuring the network adapters, supporting wireless as well
[09:25] <_StefanS_> WaltzingAlong: and that wireless config should just be active if knm is not running
[09:25] <WaltzingAlong> _StefanS_: right. networkmanager comes across as the tool to manage the network configure - which it is but per user
[09:26] <_StefanS_> uhm I need more coffee
[09:26] <WaltzingAlong> and i am not arguing that knm should also add to /etc/network/interfaces just that the user knows that perhaps upon first use with knm
[09:29] <_StefanS_> WaltzingAlong: yes definitely something to be looked at
[09:29] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: isn't this something to be written up as a use case?
[09:30] <_StefanS_> moope1: you wireless is probably working fine.. I've had similar issues with not being able to connect to anything (seems like nm leaves the wireless in some unknown state)
[09:31] <_StefanS_> moope1: cant pick up AP or anything
[09:33] <moope1> No it does work fine, when it happens I use the iw set of tools
[09:33] <moope1> just gets a bit borked with knm
[09:34] <moope1> I havent tested yet but when I was using knm in feisty and I tried to manually set gateway and dns it all went really wrong.
[09:34] <_StefanS_> moope1: so you can reset it back with iw?
[09:35] <moope1> It works using iw, when it messes up I just use cli
[09:35] <moope1> abandon it
[09:35] <moope1> fiddling with it too much usually results it it crashing :)
[09:35] <_StefanS_> yes unfortunately
[09:36] <moope1> I like the interface tho :)
[09:36] <_StefanS_> yes, but its fragile I agree
[09:36] <moope1> Where should I be writing all this down. I have been using kubuntu for too long without putting somwthing back
[09:37] <_StefanS_> yes it would be way cool to have it all written down
[09:37] <moope1> do you have a proper testing procedure?
[09:37] <_StefanS_> it makes it alot easier to fix because you know the full scope of the problem(s)
[09:37] <_StefanS_> not as much as ubuntu unfortunately
[09:40] <moope1> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs Ill be spending more time on here :)
[09:42] <moope1> Just found the "Microsoft has a majority market share" bug :)
[09:45] <WaltzingAlong> bug #1
[09:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[10:27] <GNUton> Hi!
[10:28] <jpatrick> hi GNUton
[10:28] <Tonio_> hi
[10:28] <Tonio_> hum very strange issue, since this morning my desktop points on /
[10:28] <Tonio_> can someone confirm ?
[10:28]  * Jucato waves hi to _StefanS_, Tonio_, jpatrick, GNUton
[10:28] <_StefanS_> jey you
[10:28] <_StefanS_> hey you
[10:29] <Jucato> :)
[10:30] <GNUton> I've updated KUbuntu some minutes ago, and apt-get has installed the last kdelibs5 package, but the others packages (kdepim kdebase...) missing and i'm unable to compile KDE4 apps..
[10:30] <GNUton> the linker give me unresolved symbols error..
[10:31] <GNUton> (for KDE4 packagers maintainer) So please add all the needed packages.
[10:31] <Hobbsee> they all have to build against the kdelibs stuff.  i'ts ocming.
[10:31] <jpatrick> GNUton: did you install kdebase-workspace-dev ?
[10:32] <GNUton> however hello jpatrick, Tonio_, Jucato, Hobbsee! :)
[10:32] <Hobbsee> greetings
[10:32] <Tonio_> hi GNUton
[10:32] <Jucato> Greetings, earthlings!
[10:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: hardy?
[10:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes ;)
[10:33] <GNUton> Hobbsee: no, i didn't!
[10:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: same issue with a new user
[10:33] <GNUton> Hobbsee: i'm installing it now..
[10:34] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: ^
[10:34] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: ;)
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, in kcontrol/path module, clicking on "defaults" sets a /
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: and changing the value has no effect
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: no idea what has been changed btw, did you change kdelibs things ?
[10:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi that didn't happen yesterday after my hardy switch and a reboot, just this morning, I don't know what was changed in between...
[10:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: try running xdg-user-dirs-update
[10:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: command not found...
[10:38] <Tonio_> installing the package and testing
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to have worked..... at least choosing defaults seems to select the good folders.........
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: the probably is due to fact that the packaging xdg-user-dirs is not installed by default no ?
[10:40] <Tonio_> I suspect some change might require the utility to be started ?
[10:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's started as part of the X session if you have it installed
[10:41] <Riddell> I should probably make it a depencency of kdelibs
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: worked, thanks
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep I suspect that would nice indeed, especially since the package is super little
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to do this ? I'm on contrib day today too
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho and to finish adept ftbfs on the buildd, i386 seems broken...........
[10:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: please do
[10:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[11:09] <Hobbsee> oooh, bad debian.
[11:11] <Hobbsee> konversation upstream will likely eat them
[11:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why?
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: they've chucked a svn snapshot of konversation into experimental.
[11:16] <Riddell> I doubt that'll be a problem, nobody uses experimental unless they really know what's they're in for
[11:19] <Hobbsee> sho usually expresses great displeasure when any distro distributes any svn version of konversation at all.
[11:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sho usually expresses great displeasure with everything
[11:20] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: well, there si that.
[11:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: he doesn't seem to understand what "free software" means
[11:21] <Tonio_> whatever you do, as long as it is not based on the standard tarball without any change, is a problem
[11:21] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:21] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised the licencing stuff doesnt say that
[11:21] <Tonio_> he reacts as if konversation is a proprietary software...
[11:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: to be honnest, if there was a good alternative to konversation, I would get rid of it for kubuntu just to get rid of him complaning all the time
[11:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:25] <Hobbsee> there seems ot be no good alternative.
[11:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: unfortunatelly :)
[11:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kopete might be a good irc client, I never played with him a lot
[11:26] <Hobbsee> im clients never make good irc clients.
[11:26] <jpatrick> I second that^
[11:26] <sebas> AFAIK, Will Stephenson is working on improving that, Hobbsee
[11:26] <sebas> They do share a lot of things IMO
[11:27] <Hobbsee> yay!
[11:27] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's possible it could be.  but they tend not to
[11:28] <sebas> Well, purely technical they do
[11:29] <Riddell> 555555
[11:29] <Riddell> ~z
[11:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: testing right now :)
[11:29] <Riddell> ahem
[11:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: this is the cat, again?
[11:29] <Tonio_> re
[11:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: this is screen going silly
[11:29] <Hobbsee> sure sure.
[11:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: bah, honnestly, it is not bad at all
[11:30] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: except our default theme that is not nice for irc
[11:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:31] <Tonio_> well it is a correct irc client
[11:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: to be honnest, I might give a try to make it my default irc client :)
[11:36] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:36] <Tonio__> Hobbsee: argh, no way to use it as the default client, since when you close the chat window, you leave the channels........... that's bad
[11:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:37] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:37] <Hobbsee> i thought it was something like that.
[11:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well acording to sho (once again) that's better as the closing in the systray is eil
[11:39] <Riddell> he's right there :)
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's an opinion indeed
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: what I don't like is that he doesn't accept distros to change the default settings to their needs
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: thatgoes against free softwares imho
[11:42] <_StefanS_> maybe he should just change the license and set a $99 price tag on it.
[11:43] <_StefanS_> see how many that uses it after that :)
[12:29] <jpatrick> Czessi: kio-ftps revued.
[12:40] <jpatrick> apachelogger__: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44608/
[12:56] <Tm_T> Tonio_: hop
[13:18] <Hobbsee> Mez: one problem - i'm not a council member :)
[13:18]  * Mez shrugs
[13:18] <Mez> but they abused it by giving you access to change my level
[13:19] <Mez> so they're abusic
[13:19] <Mez> and I thought you were
[13:19] <Hobbsee> Mez: sorry.  i missed, anyway.  i was going to get gary.
[13:19] <Hobbsee> no, i've never been on it.
[13:19] <Mez> Hobbsee, three times?
[13:19] <Hobbsee> no, just the last couple.
[13:19] <Hobbsee> hitting the up key out of habit can be bad.
[13:20] <Hobbsee> (don't ask how many times i've rm -rf'd ~ by accident, thinking it was screen -R )
[13:35] <jpatrick> anyone else's kde break with gutsy-updates?
[13:36] <Tm_T> jpatrick: what updates were there?
[13:36] <Tm_T> and which KDE
[13:36] <jpatrick> Tm_T: I can't remember, that's my problem
[13:36] <Jucato> how is it broken?
[13:36] <Tonio_> hey Tm_T
[13:37] <Jucato> vbox kubuntu gutsy isn't... and it's more or less pristine...
[13:37] <Tm_T> Tonio_: kio_apt upstream, known?
[13:37] <jpatrick> Jucato: click konqueror, kontact, nothing happens
[13:37] <Jucato> ok let me try
[13:38] <jpatrick> Jucato: scary thing is that there's no debug either
[13:39] <Jucato> :/
[13:40] <Jucato> jpatrick: worksforme
[13:41] <jpatrick> lastest updates from today: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44615/
[13:45] <jpatrick> Jucato: funny, there was like 14 different processes for konqueror, working again now
[13:45] <Jucato> :)
[13:47] <Tonio_> Tm_T: trying to........... not that easy for me to maintain anything :)
[13:48] <Tonio_> Tm_T: any help is welcome :)
[13:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: concerning the theme for konvi, sho suggested me that one, which I must say, I love : usr/share/apps/adept_batch/adept_batchui.rc
[13:48] <Tonio_> oups
[13:48] <Tonio_> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Tango+Theme+for+Konversation?content=51838
[13:49] <Jucato> afaik he already added it to the installed themes in SVN
[13:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: yep, that's why we'll wait for the next stable release to change this
[13:50] <Jucato> which I also heard he'll do before hardy feature freeze
[13:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: but as this theme is readable, which is important for me, and graphically rich, which is important for him, let's go with this I'd say
[13:50] <Tonio_> Jucato: yep that's what I was told too
[13:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: nice :)
[14:00] <nixternal> is it just me, or is there a big Vista banner on kde-look.org at the top?
[14:05] <vorian> go to my pc . com
[14:05] <vorian> that's what i see :)
[14:06] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kdevista.png
[14:07] <vorian> noice
[14:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: traitor.
[14:26] <mhb> good afternoon
[14:26] <Hobbsee> tag
[14:28] <mhb> Hobbsee: guten tag, if that's what you prefer .o)
[14:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[14:30] <Jucato> nixternal: not over here... still plain text-based ads by google :)
[14:30] <Jucato> I'm guessing it depends on the ads served up by google depending on the user :)
[14:31] <Jucato> hi mhb, Hobbsee, nixternal, Vista
[14:33] <mhb> hey Jucato, so you've switched from Kubuntu to Vista?
[14:33] <mhb> :o)
[14:34] <Jucato> almost
[14:34] <Jucato> j/k :P
[14:34] <Jucato> I was able to use a Compaq laptop w/ Vista pre-installed for about 2 minutes or so...
[14:35] <Jucato> not particularly impressed... the menu is a ripoff of kbfx... the "style" of the main menu (single button rather than icon w/ "Start") is a ripoff of KDE...
[14:36] <jcastro> good morning kubuntu folks!
[14:36] <Jucato> hallow jcastro
[14:36] <jcastro> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1072
[14:36] <Hobbsee> greetings jcastro
[14:37] <jcastro> this is going to be like one big ongoing open week to get MOTUs, so if you guys want to schedule kubuntu-specific MOTU outreach sessions, please let me know
[14:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: &
[14:37] <Hobbsee> !visternal
[14:37] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[14:37]  * Hobbsee wonders if he has that on highlight.
[14:37] <Jucato> jcastro: nice first comment on jono's post :P
[14:38] <mhb> free as in free money...
[14:38] <jcastro> Jucato: yeah, I'm sure we'll get alot of that for a while, even though we fixed it in a few hours, sigh.
[14:40] <nixternal> booyahcah
[14:41]  * nixternal doesn't want to go to school today
[14:41] <Hobbsee> do my exam instead then
[14:41] <nixternal> but seeing as I ditched class on Tuesday, I need to go today
[14:41] <nixternal> Hobbsee: what class?
[14:41] <Hobbsee> physics - electromagnetism, etc.
[14:41] <nixternal> no freakin' way
[14:42] <nixternal> although, I might get lucky in electromagnetism, unless they go super scientific
[14:42] <Hobbsee> well, you can fail it, or i can, so...
[14:42] <nixternal> lol
[14:42] <Hobbsee> well, it *is* physics.
[14:42]  * Jucato is still traumatized by soldering irons...
[14:42] <nixternal> Jucato: I have a soldering iron here that will never traumatize
[14:42] <Jucato> I'd rather use Vista...
[14:42] <Jucato> :)
[14:42] <nixternal> hahaha
[14:43] <Jucato> time for that cold shower in the middle of a very cold night :)
[14:43] <nixternal> speaking of Vista, I installed Safari on it yesterday, and to say the least, I am not impressed
[14:51] <Tm_T> Konqueror <3
[15:10]  * Jucato resists the urge to reply to nixternal's post...
[15:11] <Jucato> "untamed Google ads reveals the person's Google usage patterns" :D
[15:11] <Jucato> s/reveals/reveal/
[15:14] <Tonio_> nixternal: what's interesting with safari is the engine
[15:15] <Tonio_> nixternal: fast and opensource engine
[15:15] <Tonio_> nixternal: safari UI is very basic
[15:23] <Jucato> webkit?
[15:24] <Tm_T> Tonio_: not basic, crippled
[15:25] <Tonio_> ah ;)
[15:25] <Tonio_> Tm_T: the osx version is not that bad
[15:26] <Tm_T> it is
[15:26] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I have never used other than OSX version, and it is painnnn
[15:29] <Tonio_> Tm_T: bah ! not that much in my opinion
[15:29] <Tm_T> yup
[15:29] <Tonio_> Tm_T: of course I prefer konqueror, but honnestly, webkit is today way better than khtml
[15:29] <Tm_T> hm
[15:30] <Tm_T> perhaps
[15:30] <Tonio_> I can't wayt for kde4 to be able to use konqueror with webkit
[15:30] <Tm_T> but without proper UI it's nothing
[15:30] <mhb> Tonio_: you'll wait for quite some time before that happens
[15:31] <mhb> Tonio_: Kubuntu 9.04 maybe
[15:31] <Tonio_> mhb: according to what I read, it looks like both khtml and webkit will be available
[15:31] <Riddell> mhb: what makes you say that?
[15:31] <mhb> hmm, perhaps my information were outdated, because last time I read info about WebKit, they were going for it once it is in Qt4...
[15:32] <Riddell> yes
[15:32] <mhb> that means it first would have to go into Qt4.X, then into KDE and the transition takes time
[15:32] <Riddell> qt 4.4 is due around march/april
[15:33] <Riddell> and the kpart is in svn (dunno how well it works mind)
[15:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: kpart for kde3 ? :)
[15:33] <mhb> if it's the typical KDE "testing" stability, then I wouldn't even bother trying it :o)
[15:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: no
[15:34] <mhb> their "beta" is what I'd call alpha
[15:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: ok :'(
[15:34] <Tonio_> mhb: pre-alpha concerning kde4
[15:34] <Tonio_> I didn't understand too why calling this "beta"
[15:36] <Riddell> it's being done by trolltech, not KDE
[15:37] <mhb> yes, but KDE has to integrate it, which might be the bottleneck IMHO ... the guys will rather concentrate on fixing bugs elsewhere in KDE4.0
[15:38] <Riddell> KDE doesn't have to do anything, we just set the webkit kpart as default
[15:38] <mhb> which means the new exciting features get delayed, and delays are squared in the free software world
[15:38] <mhb> Riddell: I guess I'm too pessimistic. Let's see how it turns out!
[15:39] <begert_> hey people
[15:47] <seele> is anything going to happen with the grub config ui or is that unlikely?
[15:47] <seele> i know there were issues with updates resetting config files
[15:48] <mhb> seele: it's cursed, all the people that offered help with it while I was doing GSoC lost their interest eventually
[15:48] <mhb> seele: its fate is tied with the GNOME counterpart, which was created during this UDS and I think it's in universe
[15:48] <Jucato> doesn't Ubuntu have one already?
[15:48] <mhb> err, s/UDS/SoC
[15:48] <mhb> seele: ^^
[15:49] <Jucato> (answers my Q too)
[15:55] <seele> mhb: ah
[15:57] <begert_> if I am trying to get involved with Kubuntu development, is it kind of a waste to dig into KDE4 (waste may be a harsh word)
[15:58] <seele> ouch, don't let troy hear that
[15:58] <Jucato> that depends. what part of Kubuntu development are you trying to get involved with at this point?
[15:59] <begert_> I would like to try and touch all aspects to get a feel for what I might most be interested in
[16:01] <begert_> I like triaging and maybe eventually bug fixing
[16:01] <begert_> I like to test software
[16:01] <Jucato> well I think at this point in time, most of the KDE 4 plans for Kubuntu revolve around packaging it and figuring out how to do the transition from KDE 3 to KDE 4
[16:02] <begert_> I also think packaging could be interesting
[16:02] <Jucato> although it will only be until Kubuntu 8.10 that we'll ship KDE 4 as the default
[16:03] <begert_> right, so i can see where keeping up to date on how KDE4 is coming along, I want a more immediate way of contributing.....if that makes sense
[16:04] <Jucato> makes perfect sense :)
[16:04] <Jucato> you can always focus on the here and now problems :)
[16:05] <Jucato> let's see.... there's bug triaging and fixing, packaging, documentation, helping mhb...
[16:05] <Jucato> fixing adept..
[16:06] <begert_> heh
[16:06]  * Jucato is not really the person to hand out junior jobs
[16:06] <begert_> I know there are lots of places to help, and have read what i think is most of the HOWTO type stuff
[16:06] <Jucato> I guess it helps narrow things down if you have a particular are of interest or talent/skill/knowledge
[16:07] <begert_> I just still find that I am having trouble seeing how to jump in
[16:07] <begert_> well, I am a C++ programmer
[16:07] <Jucato> oooh that's a big plus :)
[16:07] <begert_> I don't know a ton about linux
[16:08] <Jucato> begert_: you've read this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[16:08]  * begert_ doesn't claim to be a great C++ programmer
[16:08] <Jucato> heh you're definitely a better one that I am
[16:08]  * Jucato claims to still be a C++ student
[16:09] <Jucato> begert_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyCatchup has some of the goals for hardy
[16:09] <Jucato> and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHardyKde4 as well
[16:09] <begert_> yea, I think I have read through that
[16:10] <begert_> I have a launchpad account and have submitted/half triaged a few bugs
[16:10] <Jucato> hm.. not knowing what else to suggest, I'd say continue with the bug triage and try to see if you could fix some of them :)
[16:10] <begert_> true :P
[16:10] <Jucato> Riddell, nixternal: if you have any ideas for junior jobs/low hanging fruits for begert_
[16:11] <Jucato> mhb: you too :)
[16:11] <Jucato> in the meantime.. brb :)
[16:11] <begert_> i suppose it could help if I came in here with a specific bug and asked on best ways to triage and whatnot
[16:12] <begert_> can't do much right now since I am at work :P
[16:12] <mhb> begert_: that is a nice way to learn ... find a bug that bothers you personally (and you can reproduce it), try to triage it and if you don't know, come here and ask
[16:12]  * Jucato wonders what mhb's bug number is...
[16:12] <Jucato> hm.. brb..
[16:13] <begert_> sounds about right...
[16:13] <mhb> Jucato: I am the bug that bothers you? :o)
[16:13] <Jucato> ah wait... I can't reproduce that bug... so that's off my list :P
[16:13] <mhb> begert_: it's quite hard to fix bugs unless you can reproduce them on your machine
[16:14] <Jucato> it's hard to fix bugs that can't be reproduce anywhere too :)
[16:18] <begert_> yea, I imagine one of the hardest things is finding a bug that I can reproduce
[16:26] <nixternal> Jucato: dev jobs? or any job?
[16:26] <Jucato> not for me :P
[16:26] <Jucato> for begert_. he knows C++!!!!!
[16:27]  * jpatrick does too
[16:27]  * nixternal does three
[16:27]  * Jucato does minus one
[16:27] <nixternal> hehe
[16:27] <Jucato> time to learn gtkmm :P
[16:27] <nixternal> you are getting there young jedi
[16:27]  * Jucato dies
[16:27] <nixternal> eww
[16:27]  * nixternal helps Jucato die
[16:27]  * nixternal gives him vista premium on a 486
[16:28] <Jucato> heh yeah I'm getting there... if I can only stop myself from writing stuff... :P
[16:28] <jpatrick> nixternal: could you revu kopete-thinklight on revu?
[16:28] <nixternal> when I get home I can
[16:28] <Jucato> anyway, off to bed w/ me
[16:28] <Jucato> oh you didn't play hooky? :D
[16:28] <nixternal> I came to class today thinking we were in a the lecture hall and not the lab...so right now I am using XP and Putty
[16:28] <nixternal> err
[16:28] <nixternal> I guess I could review
[16:28] <nixternal> Host '3LockBox', running Linux 2.6.22-14-generic - Cpu0: AMD Athlon 2200 MHz; Up: 1d+17:26; Users: 1; Load: 0.03; Free: [Mem: 423/941 Mio] [Swap: 863/863 Mio] [/: 11461/14084 Mio] [/boot: 93/122 Mio] [/home: 37381/41301 Mio] [/media/maxtor: 142410/150230 Mio]; Vpenis: 93.4 cm;
[16:29] <nixternal> I think pbuilder or sbuild is on this machine
[16:29] <jpatrick> nixternal: it pbuilds fine, just needs an ack :)
[16:29] <nixternal> can't login to revu though
[16:29] <nixternal> can I ack here for you?
[16:30] <nixternal> did they finally fix revu so Lintian doesn't cry about the distro anymore
[16:30] <jpatrick> sure :) I think apachelogger would like it
[16:30] <jpatrick> yep
[16:30] <nixternal> I wonder whos idea it was to just whip up these useless man pages
[16:31] <nixternal> all they do is eventually create bug reports
[16:31] <nixternal> I think it is stupid..wtf do gui apps need man pages anyays when they typically have a much more extensive help document with them
[16:31] <apachelogger> +1
[16:31] <nixternal> I think whoever made that rule up is stupid
[16:31] <apachelogger> jpatrick: btw, revu is eating my uploads -.-
[16:32] <jpatrick> apachelogger: explains the freaky khalkhicards thing
[16:32] <nixternal> this is a freakin' plugin at that....right apachelogger? honestly, I would remove the man page, and if someone bitches, give um the thumb :p
[16:32]  * nixternal goes to -motu to raise hell
[16:32]  * apachelogger gives lintian and linda the thumb
[16:33] <apachelogger> jpatrick: well, something's really strange about that as well
[16:33] <jpatrick> nixternal: I think it's binary-must-have-man
[16:33] <apachelogger> anyway, I reuploded... but since revu is eating my uploads
[16:33] <apachelogger> yep
[16:33] <apachelogger> all binary
[16:33]  * apachelogger updates his oxygen kde3 port
[16:33] <nixternal> there, I made my rant, and it is only a matter of time until someone says "because Debian says so"
[16:34] <nixternal> jpatrick: it is, and it is stupid
[16:34] <jpatrick> apachelogger: and is the plug a binary.. or a .so file? :>
[16:35] <apachelogger> jpatrick: I has not clue
[16:35] <apachelogger> good I love stupid sentences :D
[16:36] <nixternal> jpatrick: it creates a binary
[16:36] <nixternal> even has its own config ui
[16:36] <jpatrick> odd, I thought it would just make a .so would kopete grabs
[16:37] <nixternal> creates that too
[16:39] <apachelogger> so, who do I have to send the cookies to, to get revu fixed?
[16:39] <mhb> nixternal: why are you upset, google ads remember your !nixternal phrase, that's all
[16:39] <mhb> :o)
[16:40] <nixternal> haha
[16:40] <nixternal> nice
[16:41] <nixternal> apachelogger: nix the man page and you get my ack!
[16:42] <nixternal> there be no /usr/bin binary
[16:42] <apachelogger> nixternal: revu is eating my uploads, so I can't remove it
[16:42] <nixternal> jeesh...getting the lib deps takes longer than building the actual package :)
[16:43] <nixternal> hrmm
[16:43] <nixternal> that stinks...can you put it somewhere that jpatrick can grab it and upload it?
[16:43] <jpatrick> apachelogger: how about I remove it here and upload?
[16:44]  * nixternal hopes that his pyqt4 book will be in the mailbox when he gets home
[16:44] <nixternal> that will work too :)
[16:44] <apachelogger> jpatrick: would be even better if you could direct me to a revu admin so I get my uploads fixed :P
[16:45] <jpatrick> apachelogger: ask siretart on -motu
[16:46] <nixternal> jpatrick: hey, before you upload, you might want to strip the *.la from it
[16:46] <nixternal> no biggy, but it will eventually need it
[16:46] <nixternal> it doesn't create a binary..I was wrong...just 2 .so and 2 .la files as well as the kcfg and desktop files
[16:47] <nixternal> ahh, I was wrong once again
[16:47] <nixternal> this is so stupid
[16:47] <nixternal> |45|46|47|51|                                                                                     Tm_T
[16:47] <nixternal> Freenode@#kubuntu-devel:~$
[16:47] <nixternal> wth
[16:47] <nixternal> Putty and right clicking is weird
[16:47] <apachelogger> oh
[16:47] <apachelogger> hm
[16:47]  * apachelogger is wondering
[16:48] <nixternal> it does create a binary -> kopete_thinklight_fixpermissions
[16:48] <apachelogger> right
[16:48] <apachelogger> just wanted to say that :D
[16:48] <nixternal> and it is in /usr/bin, so according to the idiots who made up the ruls, you need to have a man page I guess
[16:49] <nixternal> haha, don't try and install that plugin on a headless server :p
[16:49] <nixternal> my window just filled up with deps it needs to install first :)
[16:50] <nixternal> jpatrick and apachelogger: only recommendation is the removal of the 2 .la files that are created from the .deb
[16:53] <jpatrick> nixternal: what's wrong with .la files?
[16:54] <nixternal> jpatrick: we remove them from packages, we don't use nor install them anymore
[16:55] <jpatrick> ah, and what's the rule?
[16:55] <jpatrick> post-build:: ?
[17:01] <nixternal> I am trying to remember
[17:01] <nixternal> I think I just created .install files and never added the .la files
[17:02] <nixternal> usr/lib/kde3/*.so
[17:02] <nixternal> usr/share
[17:02] <nixternal> +/* to that one
[17:02] <nixternal> and usr/bin/*
[17:02] <nixternal> that would install everything but the .la files
[17:03] <jpatrick> ok will do
[17:06] <apachelogger> jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=649
[17:06] <apachelogger> nixternal: really, cdbs should remove the la's
[17:07] <nixternal> apachelogger: I think you are right, I can't remember how you go about it right now
[17:07] <nixternal> I have my notes on it in my laptop, which is about 15 miles from me right now :(
[17:08] <apachelogger> online storage++
[17:09] <nixternal> shush :)
[17:09] <jpatrick> ssh++
[17:09] <nixternal> I setup an svn server at home just for that 2 months ago, and guess what? I haven't even used it yet :0
[17:09] <nixternal> shh++
[17:09] <nixternal> ;P
[17:13] <jpatrick> apachelogger: uploaded!
[17:16] <apachelogger> jpatrick++
[17:16] <apachelogger> thanks
[17:16] <jpatrick> apachelogger: no, insanity's not here ;)
[17:16]  * apachelogger is wondering who's fault that is :P
[17:17] <apachelogger> jpatrick: btw, how many packages to go until I may become a master?
[17:17] <jpatrick> apachelogger: how long have you been packaging for?
[17:17] <jpatrick> I think they want quality not quantity
[17:18] <apachelogger> now, do I do bad quality? ;-)
[17:18] <jpatrick> not at all
[17:19] <nixternal> apachelogger: how come you aren't a MOTU yet?
[17:19] <nixternal> is it because you concentrate on KDE packages only? :p
[17:19]  * apachelogger is frightened of being reject :P
[17:20] <apachelogger> really, that would be hell embarrassing
[17:20] <jpatrick> why?
[17:20] <nixternal> when I went for MOTU, 2 people brought up the whole "you only do KDE packages, why?" I was like "I hate gnome!"
[17:20] <jpatrick> I had the spanish inquistion at my application :(
[17:20] <apachelogger> jpatrick: the amarok guys would mess with me for the next 2 years or something
[17:20] <nixternal> heh
[17:20] <nixternal> persia drilled me
[17:20] <nixternal> I don't have any need, let alone want, to do any gnome packages, unless someone needs my help
[17:20] <apachelogger> nixternal: I actually thought about doing some GNOME packages as wel
[17:21] <jpatrick> apachelogger: well the kubuntu guys are behind you here :)
[17:21] <nixternal> apachelogger: do a couple so you can say "see, I am well diversed" :p
[17:21] <apachelogger> never bad to show support for the freedesktop in general, I guess ;-)
[17:21] <apachelogger> nixternal: aye :D
[17:21] <nixternal> hehe
[17:21] <Nightrose> hehe apachelogger we would not
[17:21] <Nightrose> ;-)
[17:21] <Nightrose> we love you - don´t you know?
[17:21] <apachelogger> Nightrose: 50 bucks eean would do :P
[17:21] <Nightrose> hehe ok maybe eean would
[17:23] <jpatrick> apachelogger: seriously, I think khalkhicards hates me :( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44631/
[17:23] <jpatrick> btw, that's the upload you just did^
[17:24] <apachelogger> Oo
[17:24]  * apachelogger fetches again from revu
[17:27] <apachelogger> jpatrick: well
[17:27] <apachelogger> I think
[17:27] <apachelogger> revu hates me
[17:27] <apachelogger> really bad
[17:28] <jpatrick> god, they're getting our kde pkgers..
[17:28] <nixternal> whois they?
[17:28] <jpatrick> apachelogger: ah, wait.. it's working now
[17:29] <apachelogger> it is?
[17:29] <jpatrick> yeah
[17:31]  * apachelogger tries again
[17:33] <stdin> Woot! just make my first Qt app from scratch :D
[17:34] <apachelogger> jpatrick: still doesn't do for me
[17:34] <nixternal> stdin: what did you make?
[17:34] <jpatrick> apachelogger: pbuilding fine here
[17:35] <stdin> nixternal: it's just a little thing that lets you type in a command and then it runs it and displays the output
[17:35] <nixternal> coolio
[17:35] <apachelogger> jpatrick: aye, I was missing a file :P
[17:35]  * apachelogger should start reading
[17:35] <nixternal> my first one was an immitation of the old error message, that when you would go to click OK, the window would move so you couldn't click it
[17:35] <nixternal> :)
[17:36] <jpatrick> apachelogger: use dget dscfilelocation.dsc ;)
[17:36] <stdin> nixternal: http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9431/runan1.png :)
[17:36] <apachelogger> yeah, I'm doing that now :P
[17:37] <nixternal> that looks purty
[17:37] <stdin> that's without using any designer, all code :)
[17:37] <nixternal> now extend on it, have it connect to a server and automatically run cronjobs that destroy the world
[17:37] <nixternal> :)
[17:38] <apachelogger> hm
[17:38] <apachelogger> no world destruction!
[17:38] <apachelogger> if ye destroy it, we have nothing to take control over
[17:38] <apachelogger> which makes my motives kinda invalid
[17:38] <stdin> where's that <QNuclearBom> include now?
[17:39] <nixternal> hahaha
[17:39] <stdin> missing the "b", but you got it
[17:40] <nixternal> I need to find a nice exfoliation kit for men...my face is so dry
[17:40] <stdin> I tried to follow the KDE development tutorials, but they quickly went way over my head. so I tried the Qt ones and it's going well so far
[17:41] <apachelogger> http://www.gtk-apps.org/content/show.php/GBirthday?content=68443 I so don't wanna package a gtk python app -.-
[17:41] <nixternal> hehe
[17:44] <jpatrick> apachelogger: no reason to fix these? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44634/
[17:45] <apachelogger> you know the problem with having a package in revu for 6 months is, that you tend to forget things
[17:45] <apachelogger> jpatrick: I'll fix that
[17:46] <lnxkde> hey guys
[17:47] <lnxkde> someone can give me a hand with a deb I am making..?
[17:47] <lnxkde> I am tring to make a deb of libgpod
[17:47] <lnxkde> and amarok wont see it
[17:47] <lnxkde> I did the first one with a plain ./configure
[17:47] <lnxkde> [13:46] <lnxkde> and the second try was with a ./configure --sysconfdir=/etc
[17:47] <bddebian> Heya
[17:48] <lnxkde> not sure if I am confguring it right because amarokwont see the lib...
[17:48] <jpatrick> lnxkde: ./configure --prefix=/usr
[17:48] <lnxkde> :s
[17:48] <lnxkde> ok
[17:48] <Riddell> apt-get install libgpod-dev ?
[17:50] <lnxkde> Riddell: I am making my own deb and amarok I am using the deb provided for feisty
[17:50] <gnomefreak> anyone have aworking build of amarok2 yet?
[17:50] <lnxkde> If this work I will dance naked on the channel
[17:51] <Riddell> gnomefreak: apachelogger did have packages of it, but they seem to have got lost somewhere in New queue
[17:52] <gnomefreak> the ones that were there during gutsy i took and they failed to build unless he uploaded new ones
[17:52] <Riddell> yes, it would be very out of date by now
[17:53] <apachelogger> not even build actually
[17:53] <apachelogger> due to plasma
[17:53] <apachelogger> but, I'm probably going to release alpha1 around christmas
[17:54] <lnxkde> dint work..
[17:54] <lnxkde> :(
[17:54] <gnomefreak> thank god
[17:54] <lnxkde> lol
[17:54] <gnomefreak> i feared watching you dance
[17:54] <gnomefreak> error?
[17:54] <lnxkde> deb instakked nicely
[17:55] <lnxkde> but when I open amarok I get
[17:55] <lnxkde> libgpod.so.2: cant not be found
[17:55] <gnomefreak> and you installed libgpod-dev
[17:55] <lnxkde> ....
[17:55] <lnxkde> no deb of taht made by check install
[17:56] <gnomefreak> 12:48 <         Riddell > apt-get install libgpod-dev ?
[17:56] <gnomefreak> looks needed as build-dep if he told you to install it
[17:56] <lnxkde> no no I know the problem now :S
[17:56] <lnxkde> new vercion of lib
[17:56] <gnomefreak> than install the binary of libgpod unless you use gdebi for kde
[17:56] <gnomefreak> ah
[17:56] <lnxkde> libgpod.so.3
[17:56] <lnxkde> is the actually
[17:57] <lnxkde> so let see if works as a copy :D
[17:57] <gnomefreak> that would do it
[17:58] <gnomefreak> yay its done uploading wait 30 minutes and see if revu works
[17:58] <lnxkde> weeeeeeeee
[17:58] <lnxkde> time for the dance
[17:58] <lnxkde> buahahhaha
[17:58]  * gnomefreak runs away holding eyes
[18:00] <lnxkde> hehe this is nice the thing is that no artwork on my ipod now :s
[18:00] <lnxkde> but at lest I can have the music
[18:00] <lnxkde> :D
[18:00] <lnxkde> darn Ipod claseics 6Gen
[18:01] <lnxkde> Riddell: we will have beta5 kde4 packges?
[18:01] <apachelogger> jpatrick: W: khalkhi-cards: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/khalkhicards
[18:01] <apachelogger> don't we love it
[18:02] <jpatrick> apachelogger: why did you remove it?
[18:02] <lnxkde> bbl going to work now :D
[18:02] <apachelogger> jpatrick: nixternal wouldn't like it
[18:03] <apachelogger> on the other hand
[18:03] <jpatrick> well..
[18:03] <apachelogger> I might not be trusthworthy today
[18:03] <apachelogger> <-- serious brain demange from god knows what
[18:10] <apachelogger> really, I'm not
[18:11] <apachelogger> jpatrick: the app has exactly one thing which would be reason to include a manpage: khalkhicards -->_UID_<---
[18:11] <apachelogger> still, is it really worth it
[18:11] <jpatrick> apachelogger: just put in the man page
[18:12]  * apachelogger restores the manpage
[18:15] <apachelogger> jpatrick: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=kopete-otr new upstream, package update, bugfix
[18:24] <jpatrick> apachelogger: I'm eating right now, I'll get on it asap
[18:24] <apachelogger> jpatrick: oh, enjoy your meal :)
[18:25]  * apachelogger notes that packaging a gnome is sort of more work than kde, because of all the deps
[18:28] <apachelogger> bah, total waste of time .... missing dependency -.-
[19:31] <jpatrick> apachelogger: khalkhi-cards approve but! Add a .install to remove the .la file
[19:32] <Riddell> make sure it keeps working if you do that
[19:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: but, why remove them?
[19:33] <Riddell> well indeed
[19:34] <jpatrick> apachelogger: kopete-otr FTBFS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44647/
[19:35] <jpatrick> Czessi: kio-ftps gets a +1 from me
[19:36] <Czessi> jpatrick: thanks :)
[19:37] <jpatrick> apachelogger: oh, and maybe the changes to the khalkhi.desktop should be in a .diff
[19:38] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: yo
[19:39] <apachelogger_> re
[19:39] <apachelogger_> stupid austrian ISP
[19:40] <jpatrick> apachelogger: you get me messages?
[19:41] <apachelogger> jpatrick: about removing th las
[19:41] <apachelogger> s/th/the
[19:41] <jpatrick> apachelogger: and maybe the changes to the .desktop should go into a diff
[19:42] <jpatrick> kopete-otr FTBFS: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44647/ too
[19:43] <apachelogger> jpatrick: well, -otr is for hardy :P
[19:44] <apachelogger> but I'll not continue work on khalkhi, I'm just not of any use today
[19:44] <apachelogger> ... I thought the .desktop changes are in a diff...
[19:44] <jpatrick> apachelogger: oh, damn my eyesight, should kubuntu_01_fix_desktop_file.patch then
[19:45] <apachelogger> 01_kubuntu, or?
[19:45] <apachelogger> first the number for order of processing
[19:45] <jpatrick> no kubuntu_0* is for Kubuntu patches
[19:45] <apachelogger> okay
[19:47]  * jpatrick makes a hardy pbuild
[19:54] <jpatrick> hallo hunger
[19:55] <hunger> Hi there.
[21:07] <ryanakca> Ummm... are the beta 4 packages out yet?
[21:19] <mhb> Riddell: t-shirted mhb greets you
[21:22] <jpatrick> mhb: don't you usually wear tshirts? :>
[21:24] <mhb> jpatrick: I do, but this one is special
[21:24] <mhb> jpatrick: you don't have many Google Summer of Code T-Shirts lying around
[21:24] <mhb> jpatrick: at least I don't .o)
[21:24] <jpatrick> ah, cool
[21:36] <Tm_T> nixternal: ?
[21:40] <Riddell> mhb: man, I'm so jelous
[21:44] <mhb> Riddell: shouldn't you have one, too?
[21:47] <Riddell> hopefully soon
[23:18] <jpatrick> kwwii: is there a src version of the kubuntu-leaflet?
[23:19] <kwwii> jpatrick: I probably have an svg of the version that I made, not sure which one you mean though
[23:20] <jpatrick> the one in /usr/share/example-content/kubuntu-leaflet.png
[23:20] <kwwii> yes, I have one somewhere...kinda late here though, going to bed soon...ping me tomorrow and perhaps I can find the orig svg
[23:21] <jpatrick> ah, me too, and thank you :)
[23:21] <kwwii> np