[00:47] i want port kde-power-manager developed for kubuntu to archlinux, who can help me with that? [00:48] even: Hmm? [02:59] Hi KDE 3.96 Tagged --> http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.96/ [03:00] moo [03:00] CPrgmSwR2: Hey! [03:00] ... [03:00] I've been trying to grab you for days [03:00] and we didn't even get beta4 packaged :) [03:00] so has it been decided if this will be beta5 or rc1? [03:01] beta5 is my guess [03:01] I think it's RC1 [03:01] DaSkreech: why? [03:01] CPrgmSwR2: People wanted to talk with you :) [03:01] oh really? [03:02] brb in 10 minutes [03:02] Ha ha [03:02] ok [03:02] harolddong_: hi [03:03] hey [03:03] I just noticed some updated kdelibs5 packages in the repos [03:04] and poppler [03:04] sounds scary [03:04] does this mean the beta is closer? [03:04] what beta? [03:04] might have been beta4 upgrade? [03:04] kde beta 4? [03:04] not that I know [03:05] though, who knows [03:05] check the version... [03:05] We have like a month to release [03:05] afaik it should be 3.95 for beta4 [03:05] kdelibs 3.95 in the ubuntu repos [03:06] then that's beta4, afaik [03:06] but previously you were supposed to get the kde-workspace package and that's not updated [03:07] isn't 3.96 tagged? [03:07] I'm just trying to figure out if its actually fully or not [03:07] as soon as CPrgmSwR2 comes back [03:07] Doh! [03:07] they've had that "within a day or so" message up for a few days now [03:08] *actually released fully or not [03:08] harolddong_: think of it this way: every day that passes resets the timer... :) [03:08] so what you're saying is that kde4 beta 4 is the the duke nukem forever of the linux world [03:08] that's meann [03:09] you said it not me [03:09] :P [03:09] huh? [03:09] kde4 beta4 has been released Oct 30... [03:09] the only problem is the kubuntu packages [03:09] nothing to do with kde itself [03:09] yeah yeah I know that\ [03:10] but seeing as how I'm kubuntu [03:10] that's all I care about [03:10] * Hobbsee spoke to cprov about the ppa breakage [03:10] Hobbsee: something got through it seems [03:10] kdelibs 3.95 in the ubuntu repos [03:11] I mean there are obviously some of the packages in the repos now [03:11] yeah [03:11] so what's missing now is my question [03:11] yes, -libs might be there [03:12] is kdebase-workspace there? [03:12] poppler packages updated too [03:12] no like I said workspace isnt [03:12] DaSkreech: back [03:12] CPrgmSwR2: can you join #kdegames ? [03:13] should I just wait to install what's in there now? [03:13] I'm sitting here staring at it [03:13] Hobbsee: why not scratch kde beta5 and head for kde release canidate 1 [03:14] when's the rc 1 out? [03:14] CPrgmSwR2: so it's been decided to be rc1? [03:14] because the work's already been done, i think [03:14] Jucato: I don't know but I can't see how else [03:14] Hobbsee: RC1 has been tagged 10 hours ago [03:14] it's been tagged, although I haven't seen the tagging announcement :) [03:15] tags cycles are like 2 weeks and it's about a month till 4.0 relelase [03:15] if the work has been done then where is it [03:15] http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/3.96/ [03:16] DaSkreech: afaik there were some discussion as to whether it should be beta5 or rc1 [03:16] CPrgmSwR2: neat. [03:17] Jucato: Yeah But there is one more release cycle before 4.0 [03:17] and? [03:17] RC it and then something comes up you slip the release? [03:17] RC 2? [03:18] Hobbsee: anyways I think what is in tags/KDE/3.96 should be packaged in place of beta5 [03:18] That would be on the week of 4.0 [03:18] you would have to slide the release [03:19] that's the idea... unless they settle for just 1 RC release === _czessi is now known as Czessi [07:02] Tm_T: I guess that's too late for I'm here now :) [07:02] :) [07:03] Jucato: hey :) [07:03] Tonio_: how's kdesudo doing? :) [07:03] Jucato: no big change atm [07:04] Jucato: still a couple of bugs to fix..... [07:04] someone was reporting yesterday that "kdesu -u " doesn't work (whereas it used to under the former kdesu) [07:04] Jucato: that's a bug with sudo and not kdesudo [07:04] hm.. doesn't sudo -u work with that as well? [07:04] sudo -u doesn't work, while the option exists [07:04] ah so it's sudo (again?) [07:05] yep [07:05] but I guess right now the biggest "bug" is with the changing permissions thingy? [07:05] Jucato: you mean ? [07:05] the old bug? has it been fixed? [07:05] * Jucato hasn't updated lately :P [07:06] the one that creates config files in ~/.kde with root ownership instead of the user's [07:06] fixed [07:06] great :) [07:07] * Jucato imagines he'll stop receiving e-mails from LP about that bug :D [07:07] there's still a bug with the jumping icon not stopping [07:07] oh [07:07] I think _stefans_ is working on this one [07:07] * Jucato hasn't seen _StefanS_ lately... [07:07] come to think of it, has been a bit quiet here lately :) [07:09] :) [07:10] hum lots of issues with the buildds...... [07:10] news at 11. [07:10] :) [07:12] Hobbsee: has there been a decision wrt next meeting date/time? [07:12] Jucato: erm, no. i need to. plan is for sunday [07:12] kool [07:12] gives me more time to write up a wiki detailing some ideas :) [07:13] I'm going to try and bring in some help from the user community as much as possible... not sure if I will succeed :) [07:13] yay :) [07:14] blog post w/ wiki and forum post coming soonish (today?) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:15] Hobbsee: just in case you're curious and have the time for another longish post: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3088690.0 :P [08:17] * Hobbsee looks [08:20] Jucato [08:20] FA's don't do much anyway, so... [08:21] heh I wouldn't really know... I've somewhat distanced myself from Ubuntuforums for some time now... too crowded, too much traffic, too GNOMEy :P [08:21] my only real ties is being a moderator of our loco subforum :) [08:23] * Nightrose wonders where Hobbsee blogged [08:23] once or twice... somewhere :) [08:23] * Jucato waves to Nightrose [08:23] * Nightrose waves back :) [08:24] Nightrose: http://community.livejournal.com/customers_suck/23689767.html [08:24] ah thx ;-) [08:26] oO /me feels sorry for Hobbsee... [08:26] oh wow... you mean you blog, just not on the Planet? O.o [08:26] Jucato: that was where I was looking for it first ;-) [08:33] Jucato: my wordpress blog != customers_suck [08:33] aaah ok [08:34] yeah... I noticed.. customers_suck = group blog? [08:34] yup [08:34] about customers who suck? [08:34] duh! :P [08:34] :P [08:34] don't you read?!?! [08:36] non-existnat info? sure! [08:45] hullo, what are the plans for networking for Heron, Although much better knetworkmanager still needs some sorting out. [08:55] <_StefanS_> hi all [08:59] <_StefanS_> moope1: I think the only plan is to follow official knm track [08:59] <_StefanS_> moope1: I know theyre going to support networkmanager 0.7 in the next knm version [09:00] _StefanS_: knm track? [09:01] <_StefanS_> moope1: their plan is to support the new underlying networkmanager 0.7 with the (new) features it provides [09:02] <_StefanS_> moope1: kubuntu will just bundle the newest stable release [09:02] <_StefanS_> Riddell: do correct me if I'm wrong [09:03] that would be the plan [09:03] although knetworkmanager upstream could likely do with some help [09:04] <_StefanS_> yes, and its something thats on my list... although I havent been able to do much lately. We've talked about a redesign of the gui in the WPA(2) Enterprise/Personal settings since they're confusing [09:04] <_StefanS_> havent had the time to do mockups and code though :( [09:07] <_StefanS_> ah that good lack of time... [09:09] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: maybe we should change the topic on kde4 beta4; it has been there for a week or something :) [09:09] hehe [09:09] <_StefanS_> or is it coming ? [09:09] unsure [09:10] <_StefanS_> uh [09:11] coming in the next day or so [09:11] !! [09:11] <_StefanS_> okay great [09:11] _StefanS_ thanks for the info [09:12] <_StefanS_> moope1: no problem, and do ask again if you need more info.. Hobbsee can be of great help too [09:12] <_StefanS_> I hope :D [09:14] i can? :P [09:15] imho (if there is such a think) the networking is he last real problem kubuntu has [09:15] <_StefanS_> moope1: could you explain how you see the problems in the current version? [09:15] <_StefanS_> moope1: might help [09:16] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: on procedures, people to talk to, responsibilities etc. you know a hell lot more than i do ;) [09:16] okay, good point :P [09:16] <_StefanS_> ;) [09:19] _StefanS_: Maybe just my wireless card but connecting to a wireless network can take a long time. on occasion, the entire thing dies and it wont connect to anything. Hopping on and off networks seems to cause crashes. [09:19] <_StefanS_> moope1: what brand of wireless ? [09:19] <_StefanS_> moope1: atheros, intel.. ? [09:19] broadcom [09:20] <_StefanS_> moope1: in a laptop? [09:20] yup [09:20] or let the user know that settings stored in knetworkmanager/kwallet mean that user has to be logged in, kwallet accessed - some may want systemwide settings [09:20] <_StefanS_> moope1: got the chipset version? [09:20] sure [09:20] 1 sec [09:22] <_StefanS_> WaltzingAlong: you mean if you were to have a machine with wireless used by multiple people? [09:22] <_StefanS_> WaltzingAlong: and have network access upon boot [09:22] BCM4312 802.11 a/b/g (rev 01) [09:23] _StefanS_: mostly the second option; not knetworkmanager's job but new users (and some old ones) may not know that [09:23] yeah, I was having problems with the wallet thing yesterday, I had entered an incorrect WEP key but it had been stored in the wallet, I have to go in and delete the entry from the wallet. [09:24] I dont like the wallet, main reason why I dont use konqueror :( [09:24] <_StefanS_> moope1: well interaction with the wallet should be improved alot so you can manage the stuff entirely from knm imho, [09:25] <_StefanS_> WaltzingAlong: actually it could be solved by having the kcm module for configuring the network adapters, supporting wireless as well [09:25] <_StefanS_> WaltzingAlong: and that wireless config should just be active if knm is not running [09:25] _StefanS_: right. networkmanager comes across as the tool to manage the network configure - which it is but per user [09:26] <_StefanS_> uhm I need more coffee [09:26] and i am not arguing that knm should also add to /etc/network/interfaces just that the user knows that perhaps upon first use with knm [09:29] <_StefanS_> WaltzingAlong: yes definitely something to be looked at [09:29] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: isn't this something to be written up as a use case? [09:30] <_StefanS_> moope1: you wireless is probably working fine.. I've had similar issues with not being able to connect to anything (seems like nm leaves the wireless in some unknown state) [09:31] <_StefanS_> moope1: cant pick up AP or anything [09:33] No it does work fine, when it happens I use the iw set of tools [09:33] just gets a bit borked with knm [09:34] I havent tested yet but when I was using knm in feisty and I tried to manually set gateway and dns it all went really wrong. [09:34] <_StefanS_> moope1: so you can reset it back with iw? [09:35] It works using iw, when it messes up I just use cli [09:35] abandon it [09:35] fiddling with it too much usually results it it crashing :) [09:35] <_StefanS_> yes unfortunately [09:36] I like the interface tho :) [09:36] <_StefanS_> yes, but its fragile I agree [09:36] Where should I be writing all this down. I have been using kubuntu for too long without putting somwthing back [09:37] <_StefanS_> yes it would be way cool to have it all written down [09:37] do you have a proper testing procedure? [09:37] <_StefanS_> it makes it alot easier to fix because you know the full scope of the problem(s) [09:37] <_StefanS_> not as much as ubuntu unfortunately [09:40] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs Ill be spending more time on here :) === Igorot_ is now known as Igorot [09:42] Just found the "Microsoft has a majority market share" bug :) [09:45] bug #1 [09:45] Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [10:27] Hi! [10:28] hi GNUton [10:28] hi [10:28] hum very strange issue, since this morning my desktop points on / [10:28] can someone confirm ? [10:28] * Jucato waves hi to _StefanS_, Tonio_, jpatrick, GNUton [10:28] <_StefanS_> jey you [10:28] <_StefanS_> hey you [10:29] :) [10:30] I've updated KUbuntu some minutes ago, and apt-get has installed the last kdelibs5 package, but the others packages (kdepim kdebase...) missing and i'm unable to compile KDE4 apps.. [10:30] the linker give me unresolved symbols error.. [10:31] (for KDE4 packagers maintainer) So please add all the needed packages. [10:31] they all have to build against the kdelibs stuff. i'ts ocming. [10:31] GNUton: did you install kdebase-workspace-dev ? [10:32] however hello jpatrick, Tonio_, Jucato, Hobbsee! :) [10:32] greetings [10:32] hi GNUton [10:32] Greetings, earthlings! [10:33] Tonio_: hardy? [10:33] Riddell: yes ;) [10:33] Hobbsee: no, i didn't! [10:33] Riddell: same issue with a new user [10:33] Hobbsee: i'm installing it now.. [10:34] jpatrick: ^ [10:34] Hobbsee: ;) [10:34] Riddell: also, in kcontrol/path module, clicking on "defaults" sets a / [10:34] Riddell: and changing the value has no effect [10:35] Riddell: no idea what has been changed btw, did you change kdelibs things ? [10:36] Riddell: fyi that didn't happen yesterday after my hardy switch and a reboot, just this morning, I don't know what was changed in between... [10:36] Tonio_: try running xdg-user-dirs-update [10:37] Riddell: command not found... [10:38] installing the package and testing [10:38] Riddell: seems to have worked..... at least choosing defaults seems to select the good folders......... [10:39] Riddell: the probably is due to fact that the packaging xdg-user-dirs is not installed by default no ? [10:40] I suspect some change might require the utility to be started ? [10:41] Tonio_: it's started as part of the X session if you have it installed [10:41] I should probably make it a depencency of kdelibs [10:41] Riddell: worked, thanks [10:41] Riddell: yep I suspect that would nice indeed, especially since the package is super little [10:41] Riddell: want me to do this ? I'm on contrib day today too [10:42] Riddell: ho and to finish adept ftbfs on the buildd, i386 seems broken........... [10:42] Tonio_: please do [10:42] Riddell: oki [11:09] oooh, bad debian. [11:11] konversation upstream will likely eat them [11:14] Hobbsee: why? [11:15] Riddell: they've chucked a svn snapshot of konversation into experimental. [11:16] I doubt that'll be a problem, nobody uses experimental unless they really know what's they're in for [11:19] sho usually expresses great displeasure when any distro distributes any svn version of konversation at all. [11:20] Hobbsee: sho usually expresses great displeasure with everything [11:20] Tonio_: well, there si that. [11:20] Hobbsee: he doesn't seem to understand what "free software" means [11:21] whatever you do, as long as it is not based on the standard tarball without any change, is a problem [11:21] heh [11:21] i'm surprised the licencing stuff doesnt say that [11:21] he reacts as if konversation is a proprietary software... [11:24] Hobbsee: to be honnest, if there was a good alternative to konversation, I would get rid of it for kubuntu just to get rid of him complaning all the time [11:24] heh [11:25] there seems ot be no good alternative. [11:25] Hobbsee: unfortunatelly :) [11:26] Hobbsee: kopete might be a good irc client, I never played with him a lot [11:26] im clients never make good irc clients. [11:26] I second that^ [11:26] AFAIK, Will Stephenson is working on improving that, Hobbsee [11:26] They do share a lot of things IMO [11:27] yay! [11:27] yeah, it's possible it could be. but they tend not to [11:28] Well, purely technical they do [11:29] 555555 [11:29] ~z [11:29] Hobbsee: testing right now :) [11:29] ahem [11:29] Riddell: this is the cat, again? [11:29] re [11:29] Hobbsee: this is screen going silly [11:29] sure sure. [11:30] Hobbsee: bah, honnestly, it is not bad at all [11:30] Hobbsee: except our default theme that is not nice for irc [11:30] heh [11:31] well it is a correct irc client [11:34] Hobbsee: to be honnest, I might give a try to make it my default irc client :) [11:36] :) [11:36] Hobbsee: argh, no way to use it as the default client, since when you close the chat window, you leave the channels........... that's bad === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_ [11:37] hehe [11:37] yes [11:37] i thought it was something like that. [11:38] Hobbsee: well acording to sho (once again) that's better as the closing in the systray is eil [11:39] he's right there :) [11:41] Riddell: that's an opinion indeed [11:41] Riddell: what I don't like is that he doesn't accept distros to change the default settings to their needs [11:42] Riddell: thatgoes against free softwares imho [11:42] <_StefanS_> maybe he should just change the license and set a $99 price tag on it. [11:43] <_StefanS_> see how many that uses it after that :) [12:29] Czessi: kio-ftps revued. [12:40] apachelogger__: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44608/ [12:56] Tonio_: hop [13:18] Mez: one problem - i'm not a council member :) [13:18] * Mez shrugs [13:18] but they abused it by giving you access to change my level [13:19] so they're abusic [13:19] and I thought you were [13:19] Mez: sorry. i missed, anyway. i was going to get gary. [13:19] no, i've never been on it. [13:19] Hobbsee, three times? [13:19] no, just the last couple. [13:19] hitting the up key out of habit can be bad. [13:20] (don't ask how many times i've rm -rf'd ~ by accident, thinking it was screen -R ) [13:35] anyone else's kde break with gutsy-updates? [13:36] jpatrick: what updates were there? [13:36] and which KDE [13:36] Tm_T: I can't remember, that's my problem [13:36] how is it broken? [13:36] hey Tm_T [13:37] vbox kubuntu gutsy isn't... and it's more or less pristine... [13:37] Tonio_: kio_apt upstream, known? [13:37] Jucato: click konqueror, kontact, nothing happens [13:37] ok let me try [13:38] Jucato: scary thing is that there's no debug either [13:39] :/ [13:40] jpatrick: worksforme [13:41] lastest updates from today: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44615/ [13:45] Jucato: funny, there was like 14 different processes for konqueror, working again now [13:45] :) [13:47] Tm_T: trying to........... not that easy for me to maintain anything :) [13:48] Tm_T: any help is welcome :) [13:48] Hobbsee: concerning the theme for konvi, sho suggested me that one, which I must say, I love : usr/share/apps/adept_batch/adept_batchui.rc [13:48] oups [13:48] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Tango+Theme+for+Konversation?content=51838 [13:49] afaik he already added it to the installed themes in SVN [13:50] Jucato: yep, that's why we'll wait for the next stable release to change this [13:50] which I also heard he'll do before hardy feature freeze [13:50] Jucato: but as this theme is readable, which is important for me, and graphically rich, which is important for him, let's go with this I'd say [13:50] Jucato: yep that's what I was told too [13:50] Tonio_: nice :) [14:00] is it just me, or is there a big Vista banner on kde-look.org at the top? [14:05] go to my pc . com [14:05] that's what i see :) [14:06] http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/kdevista.png [14:07] noice [14:13] nixternal: traitor. [14:26] good afternoon [14:26] tag [14:28] Hobbsee: guten tag, if that's what you prefer .o) [14:28] :) [14:30] nixternal: not over here... still plain text-based ads by google :) [14:30] I'm guessing it depends on the ads served up by google depending on the user :) [14:31] hi mhb, Hobbsee, nixternal, Vista [14:33] hey Jucato, so you've switched from Kubuntu to Vista? [14:33] :o) [14:34] almost [14:34] j/k :P [14:34] I was able to use a Compaq laptop w/ Vista pre-installed for about 2 minutes or so... [14:35] not particularly impressed... the menu is a ripoff of kbfx... the "style" of the main menu (single button rather than icon w/ "Start") is a ripoff of KDE... [14:36] good morning kubuntu folks! [14:36] hallow jcastro [14:36] http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1072 [14:36] greetings jcastro [14:37] this is going to be like one big ongoing open week to get MOTUs, so if you guys want to schedule kubuntu-specific MOTU outreach sessions, please let me know [14:37] Tonio_: & [14:37] !visternal [14:37] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [14:37] * Hobbsee wonders if he has that on highlight. [14:37] jcastro: nice first comment on jono's post :P [14:38] free as in free money... [14:38] Jucato: yeah, I'm sure we'll get alot of that for a while, even though we fixed it in a few hours, sigh. [14:40] booyahcah [14:41] * nixternal doesn't want to go to school today [14:41] do my exam instead then [14:41] but seeing as I ditched class on Tuesday, I need to go today [14:41] Hobbsee: what class? [14:41] physics - electromagnetism, etc. [14:41] no freakin' way [14:42] although, I might get lucky in electromagnetism, unless they go super scientific [14:42] well, you can fail it, or i can, so... [14:42] lol [14:42] well, it *is* physics. [14:42] * Jucato is still traumatized by soldering irons... [14:42] Jucato: I have a soldering iron here that will never traumatize [14:42] I'd rather use Vista... [14:42] :) [14:42] hahaha [14:43] time for that cold shower in the middle of a very cold night :) [14:43] speaking of Vista, I installed Safari on it yesterday, and to say the least, I am not impressed [14:51] Konqueror <3 === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger [15:10] * Jucato resists the urge to reply to nixternal's post... [15:11] "untamed Google ads reveals the person's Google usage patterns" :D [15:11] s/reveals/reveal/ [15:14] nixternal: what's interesting with safari is the engine [15:15] nixternal: fast and opensource engine [15:15] nixternal: safari UI is very basic [15:23] webkit? [15:24] Tonio_: not basic, crippled [15:25] ah ;) [15:25] Tm_T: the osx version is not that bad [15:26] it is [15:26] Tonio_: I have never used other than OSX version, and it is painnnn [15:29] Tm_T: bah ! not that much in my opinion [15:29] yup [15:29] Tm_T: of course I prefer konqueror, but honnestly, webkit is today way better than khtml [15:29] hm [15:30] perhaps [15:30] I can't wayt for kde4 to be able to use konqueror with webkit [15:30] but without proper UI it's nothing [15:30] Tonio_: you'll wait for quite some time before that happens [15:31] Tonio_: Kubuntu 9.04 maybe [15:31] mhb: according to what I read, it looks like both khtml and webkit will be available [15:31] mhb: what makes you say that? [15:31] hmm, perhaps my information were outdated, because last time I read info about WebKit, they were going for it once it is in Qt4... [15:32] yes [15:32] that means it first would have to go into Qt4.X, then into KDE and the transition takes time [15:32] qt 4.4 is due around march/april [15:33] and the kpart is in svn (dunno how well it works mind) [15:33] Riddell: kpart for kde3 ? :) [15:33] if it's the typical KDE "testing" stability, then I wouldn't even bother trying it :o) [15:33] Tonio_: no [15:34] their "beta" is what I'd call alpha [15:34] Riddell: ok :'( [15:34] mhb: pre-alpha concerning kde4 [15:34] I didn't understand too why calling this "beta" [15:36] it's being done by trolltech, not KDE [15:37] yes, but KDE has to integrate it, which might be the bottleneck IMHO ... the guys will rather concentrate on fixing bugs elsewhere in KDE4.0 [15:38] KDE doesn't have to do anything, we just set the webkit kpart as default [15:38] which means the new exciting features get delayed, and delays are squared in the free software world [15:38] Riddell: I guess I'm too pessimistic. Let's see how it turns out! [15:39] hey people [15:47] is anything going to happen with the grub config ui or is that unlikely? [15:47] i know there were issues with updates resetting config files [15:48] seele: it's cursed, all the people that offered help with it while I was doing GSoC lost their interest eventually [15:48] seele: its fate is tied with the GNOME counterpart, which was created during this UDS and I think it's in universe [15:48] doesn't Ubuntu have one already? [15:48] err, s/UDS/SoC [15:48]