[00:01] <MilitantPotat1> ignoramus: I thought it always alphabetizes it?
[00:02] <ignoramus> militantpotat1: it did initially, but upon adding apps, some of the menus ("System" in particular) just add the new apps to the top
[00:02] <MilitantPotat1> oh, right.
[00:03] <Dragnslcr> Dunno if you can automatically, but you can always reorder the items yourself
[00:03] <MilitantPotat1> right click K, Menu Editor
[00:03] <ignoramus> i was gonna say that!
[00:03] <MilitantPotat1> then drag them to where ya want them
[00:03] <ignoramus> i'd like to have it done automatically if possible, for when installing new apps
[00:03] <MilitantPotat1> Like Dragnslcr said, I don't think there's a way to automatically sort them.
[00:04] <lgkan> hmmm..  install keeps hangin on dell latitude cpx650gt, although the live cd works, has no errors, thot it was the harddrive so its been replaced..  any ideas
[00:06] <ignoramus> Igkan: not sure if this helps, but when I installed Feisty, install seemed to hang, but i let it go for about half an hour, rebooted, and everything installed fine... seems just the GUI wasn't responding.  Have you tried it?
[00:07] <lgkan> I thought that was the issue, left it overnight, tried reboot without cd, nothing there
[00:07] <MilitantPotat1> lgkan: try the alternate CD install
[00:07] <lgkan> I'm wondering if its having a problem with partition managing
[00:08] <lgkan> seems thats where it stops responding
[00:08] <MilitantPotat1> lgkan: you could always manually setup your partitions with gparted
[00:08] <donsdw> KDE System Settings says my Screen size is 1280 x 1024 which is suppose to be ideal for my monitor.
[00:09] <donsdw> But the images take up more room than the screen.
[00:09] <Aoshi> I have a problem with resolution
[00:09] <ignoramus> donsdw: have you uncommented your resolution in xorg.conf?
[00:09] <donsdw> If I slide mouse cursor to hidden area that area becomes visible.  Am I clear enough?
[00:10] <donsdw> I would like to know what is causing this (new) problem.
[00:10] <lgkan> I'm going to try doing a manual partition creation from the install screen, my choices list /dev/sda "blank type, mount, format, size, used
[00:10] <donsdw> ignoramus: Yes.  I will look now to be sure.
[00:11] <ignoramus> donsdw: what does "  xdpyinfo | grep dimension  " tell you?
[00:12] <lgkan> next line /dev/sda1, ext3 /media/sda1,size looks right, used 2000mb
[00:13] <donsdw> ignoramus: 1280x1024 pixels
[00:13] <lgkan> next line /dev/sda5, swap, blank, 764mb used 0mb
[00:13] <lgkan> should I make any changes
[00:13] <ignoramus> donsdw: stupid question: are you sure that's your screens dimensions?
[00:14] <lgkan>  wants me to specify part for root, should that be /dev/sda1
[00:14] <donsdw> ignoramus: in xorg.conf there is an uncommented line: Modes with the 1024x768 first
[00:14] <donsdw> ignoramus: hmmmmm.  I want 1024x768, not 1280x1024.
[00:15] <MilitantPotat1> igkan /dev/sda1 if that's where you're installing too, it needs to be mount point /
[00:15] <ignoramus> donsdw: aha!
[00:15] <MilitantPotat1> lgkan: also, depending on your system, it should be flagged bootable.
[00:16] <donsdw> ignoramus: but 1024x768 is first, why and how does it change to 1280x1024?
[00:17] <donsdw> ignoramus: When I first start up it is okay.
[00:17] <ignoramus> donsdw:  when does it change?
[00:18] <donsdw> I am having another problem.  When I restart, I think that is when it changes.
[00:18] <ignoramus> donsdw: the order in which resolutions are listed doesn't matter, btw
[00:18] <ignoramus> donsdw: you'll have to restart X or reboot to notice any changes in xorg.conf
[00:18] <donsdw>  My other problem is that I am losing my mouse cursor.  I think, but am not sure, that it is related
[00:18] <donsdw> to KAlarm.
[00:19] <ignoramus> donsdw: can't help you with the cursor problem :(
[00:19] <donsdw> ignoramus: I have read to put the one you want first.
[00:20] <ignoramus> donsdw: it makes no difference... just make sure that your particular resolution is uncommented (no hash mark in front of it)
[00:20] <donsdw> ignoramus: You helped a lot by showing me my resolution had changed.
[00:21] <donsdw> ignoramus: It is uncommented:  Modes "1024x768"  "800x600"  etc
[00:21] <donsdw> ignoramus: But how does it know which one to use?
[00:22] <ignoramus> donsdw: the resolution(s) listed that you don't want must be commented
[00:23] <donsdw> ignoramus: Oh, I see what you are saying.  But I have seen it this way often.  However your way should prevent the
[00:23] <donsdw> switch to an unwanted resolution.
[00:23] <ignoramus> donsdw: correct.
[00:23] <ignoramus> !pastebin
[00:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:24] <donsdw> ignoramus: You not only taught me a few things, I think you solved my problem!!!!!!!!  Thanks a lot.
[00:24] <ignoramus> donsdw: see my xorg.conf here for an example ----> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44559/
[00:25] <donsdw> ignoramus: <-- not a very accurate nick.  : )
[00:25] <ignoramus> donsdw: it can be sometimes ;)
[00:26] <Chase> can anyone help me setup sudo? i want to be able to run my firewall script as root with out needing a password. so far ive put 'smanderson ALL = NOPASSWD: /home/smanderson/FireWall' in /etc/sudoers but im still being asked for a password when i runsudo /home/smanderson/FireWall
[00:26] <ignoramus> donsdw: you can see i've removed the hash in front of my resolution, leaving the others commented
[00:26] <ignoramus> Chase: you can use "  sudo su  " temporarily
[00:27] <ignoramus> Chase: or you can assign root a pwd, and run as root all the time, but this is *not advisable*
[00:28] <Chase> how can i use "sudo su"? it still is asking me for a password
[00:28] <donsdw> ignoramus: I'm restarting now.  Will look at your url now also.
[00:28] <ignoramus> donsdw: ok
[00:28] <flaccid> !sudo | Chase
[00:28] <ubotu> Chase: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[00:28] <flaccid> Chase: you don't. want are you trying to do
[00:28] <ignoramus> flaccid: that's what I'm trying to tell him
[00:29] <flaccid> hehe
[00:29] <ignoramus> chase: IIRC "sudo su" will keep you logged in as superuser for the session
[00:29] <Tm_T> well
[00:29] <Tm_T> there's better ways to get that
[00:30] <flaccid> just use sudo or sudo -i and use kdesu in gui when passwd is set for root.
[00:30] <donsdw> ignoramus: Your config file looks different than mine.  I'll paste mine in a minute.  I still think you fixed my problem, though.
[00:30] <Chase> I dont want to be logged in a root. What i am wanting to do it be able to run my iptables script as a normal user using a cron job. I want to be able to type "sudo /home/smanderson/FireWall" and not be prompted for a password
[00:30] <flaccid> Chase: not possible
[00:30] <flaccid> sudo is interactive
[00:31] <Chase> :-( okay i thought i could use the NOPASSWD tag in the sudoers file to make it work
[00:31] <ignoramus> Chase: you can write a script to run your firewall config at startup.....
[00:31] <flaccid> Chase: maybe you can. not a good practice but
[00:31] <flaccid> what you are trying to do is wrong anyway
[00:32] <flaccid> there is user cron, no need for sudo or whatever
[00:33] <Chase> okay, i was just looking at the examples on http://www.gratisoft.us/sudo/man/sudoers.html#nopasswd_and_passwd and it seemed to imply it was possible to give a user access to a specific command using the NOPASSWD without opening root privaleges to everyone
[00:33] <flaccid> ah yep you can do that
[00:33] <muskogeerabbit> I guess I am going to have to give up on making the KB volume control work. I changed ot to every Logitech model and none had any effect. I just can't understand why it works on UBUBTU and not on KUBUNTU.
[00:34] <flaccid> so just need to config /etc/sudoers correctly
[00:35] <ignoramus> chase: this might help??? http://www.ducea.com/2006/06/18/linux-tips-password-usage-in-sudo-passwd-nopasswd/
[00:35] <Chase> flaccid: ye it was my configuration of the /etc/sudoers i was asking about
[00:36] <donsdw> ignoramus: I've never used paste before, but if I did it right, my config lines should be in your url.
[00:37] <ignoramus> !pastebin
[00:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:37] <ignoramus> donsdw: i don't see it.  click the link, and paste your own, and post url please
[00:37] <donsdw> ok
[00:38] <donsdw> Try 44562
[00:38] <ignoramus> donsdw: hang on
[00:39] <Chase> thanks ignoramus the url helped :-)
[00:40] <ignoramus> chase: no problem- i actually learned something too!
[00:41] <ignoramus> donsdw: if you press "ctrl-alt-+" or "ctrl-alt-" , does anything happen?
[00:41] <donsdw> ignoramus: No.
[00:42] <donsdw> ignoramus: Not that I can tell.  Is it suppose to increase size?
[00:42] <ignoramus> donsdw: i didn't think so... try pasting the resolutions found in my xorg.conf into yours, and comment/uncomment appropriately
[00:42] <ignoramus> donsdw: yeah, that used to work in older versions of KDE, but it doesn't work for me, either
[00:43] <donsdw> ignoramus: Then restart?  Right now I'm not having the size problem.
[00:44] <ignoramus> donsdw: yeah, you have to restart X for settings in xorg.conf to take place
[00:44] <donsdw> ignoramus: You saw my config then, right?
[00:44] <ignoramus> ctrl+alt+bskspc
[00:44] <ignoramus> donsdw: lemme see
[00:45] <ignoramus> donsdw: are you clicking on "paste" at the bottom when you're changing pastebin?
[00:45] <ignoramus> donsdw: i don't see any changes
[00:46] <Rukus> anyone know of a good 64 bit FTP/FXP program?
[00:46] <flaccid> krusader
[00:46] <flaccid> well i thinkn there is 64bit version
[00:48] <donsdw> ignoramus:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44567/
[00:49] <ignoramus> rukus: vsftpd
[00:49] <flaccid> i think he was after client?
[00:49] <ignoramus> flaccid: *shrugs*
[00:49] <flaccid> true
[00:50] <ignoramus> donsdw: you need to keep each resolution on a separate line
[00:50] <MrBallZ> hi, i don't know if this is the best place for this question, but after upgrading to gutsy , digikam won't connect to my canon powershot sd200, it used to work very well, and now it won't even connect to the camera, its detected but won't connect to download the pics ...
[00:50] <ignoramus> donsdw: or just paste the single line for your resolution from my xorg.conf, and remove the hash mark
[00:51] <ignoramus> MrBallz: Can you browse the camera's files using Konqueror?
[00:51] <ignoramus> mrballz: or does your computer have a media reader?
[00:52]  * Tw|sT bows as he enters the dojo
[00:52] <donsdw> ignoramus:  Thanks for your help.  I really appreciate the time you took to help.
[00:52] <ignoramus> donsdw: i hope it works for you!
[00:53] <donsdw> I'm sure it will
[00:53] <ignoramus> donsdw: before you go....
[00:54]  * Tw|sT has been using Kubuntu 7.04 x64 for about a month, after using the i386 build for nearly 6 months... no longer bothers with Fedora
[00:54] <donsdw> Might have fixed mouse problem as well.
[00:54] <ignoramus> donsdw: as a last resort, you can reconfigure X (use ONLY if nothing else works, as it'll reset your xorg.conf file) - use " dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg "
[00:55] <flaccid> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg is good too
[00:55] <flaccid> iirc
[00:55] <ignoramus> flaccid: could be- never actually had to use it (yet)
[00:55] <flaccid> i think it takes out the extra stuff so its a basic config
[00:55] <ignoramus> even better!
[00:56] <ignoramus> the only reason i know any of this is because i've messed up my settings so many times!
[00:56] <donsdw> ignoramus: Got it.  I think I'm okay though.
[00:56] <flaccid> that used to be a pain back in the day when doing video with xfree86
[00:57] <ignoramus> flaccid: that's what i've heard... i've only been using linux for about 2 months.
[00:57] <flaccid> cool
[00:57] <ignoramus> i like it... but i tend to mess with settings too much ;)
[00:57] <flaccid> plus ati sux on *nix
[00:58] <ignoramus> flaccid: i know- i tried installing compiz the other day - forget it!
[00:58] <flaccid> yeah the xgl-server has big issues. i might try again but
[00:58] <Tw|sT> which ATI card are you using?
[00:58] <ignoramus> radeon 450, IIRC
[00:58] <flaccid> um radeon 9600
[00:58] <Tw|sT> I had good luck with a Radeon 9200
[00:58] <Munchkinguy> Hi, I'm having trouble with the "Save Stream" feature on Kaffeine.
[00:58] <ignoramus> crappy integrated card on old Vaio
[00:59] <Gannondorf> ignoramus: what kind of vaio
[00:59] <Gannondorf> I'm using one right now
[00:59] <Tw|sT> I haven't had any luck with integrated ATI's with Linux lately.
[00:59] <Tw|sT> even with NV's
[00:59] <flaccid> wow the fact that my country is the worlds largest polluter per capita made the news at the end for like 10 seconds, yay!
[00:59] <Munchkinguy> When I try to record a Network Stream, I get a "Security message: The specified save_dir might be a security risk." and a "Requested resource does not exist"
[00:59] <Gannondorf> Does anyone know how to restart the sound?
[01:00] <ignoramus> gannondorf: this one is pcgfrv37
[01:00] <Gannondorf> oh
[01:00] <ignoramus> gannondorf: i just installed Gutsy on my other one, vgnfs980
[01:00] <Gannondorf> ignoramus: mine is PCG9241
[01:00] <Gannondorf> 8 years old and still running
[01:00] <Gannondorf> It runs better than my desktop with Feisty
[01:01] <Tw|sT> nice
[01:01] <Tw|sT> :)
[01:01] <ignoramus> gannondorf: yeah, they're good for something! too slow with Windows, but runs OK with *nix
[01:01]  * Tw|sT resurrects a lot of older hardware
[01:01] <Gannondorf> I know exactly what youi mean
[01:01] <Gannondorf> I couldnt even use it with windows
[01:01] <Gannondorf> so damn slow
[01:01] <Tw|sT> brb... food calleth
[01:01] <ignoramus> gannondorf: my frv37 doesn't even have built-in wifi
[01:02] <Gannondorf> Me neither
[01:02] <ignoramus> luckily, kubuntu auto-detected the usb wireless on startup!
[01:02] <Gannondorf> I have linksys cared
[01:02] <Gannondorf> I can't get the battery monitor running on startup though
[01:02] <ignoramus> gannondorf: i use the frv37 as a media center in my basement (it's my "party room")
[01:03] <Gannondorf> hmm
[01:03] <ignoramus> gannondorf: the Sony version?
[01:03] <Gannondorf> I seriously need help though
[01:03] <ignoramus> you need "sonypi" drivers
[01:03] <Gannondorf> It worked with gnome
[01:03] <ignoramus> i've only ever had kde....
[01:03] <Gannondorf> although, it wouldnt tell me the amount remaining on the battery
[01:03] <ignoramus> (feisty for a couple of weeks, and gutsy for a little over a month)
[01:04] <Gannondorf> or the amount left until it charged
[01:04] <Gannondorf> I'm staying with feisty
[01:04] <ignoramus> do you have "power manager" installed?
[01:04] <Gannondorf> my hard drive is too small for anything else
[01:04] <Gannondorf> and yes
[01:04]  * Tw|sT still runs Fiesty on his IRC server
[01:04] <Tw|sT> it's solid
[01:04] <ignoramus> i can't wait for Heron
[01:04] <vit_> hola
[01:05] <flaccid> ubuntu server ouch
[01:05] <vit_> hi!
[01:05] <Gannondorf> alt+F2 graphic-power-manager
[01:05] <Gannondorf> alt+F2 guidance-power-manager
[01:06] <ignoramus> gannondorf: just dock it to panel
[01:06] <Gannondorf> cant
[01:06] <Gannondorf> nvm
[01:06] <Gannondorf> thats not the real problem
[01:06] <Gannondorf> my sound just stopped working
[01:06] <ignoramus> gannondorf: do you use alsa?
[01:06] <Gannondorf> alsa?
[01:07] <ignoramus> your sound server?
[01:07] <Gannondorf> ...
[01:07] <Gannondorf> duh?
[01:07] <ignoramus> try " sudo apt-get install alsa "
[01:07] <evjunior09> How do i install Beryl?
[01:07] <Tw|sT> I used a regular installation of Fiesty, x64, and then customized it's dev tools.  I'm not running apache on it, so that kills several avenues of vulnerability.  And... it's all sitting behind a pfSense (BSD based) router/firewall.
[01:07] <ignoramus> you probably already have it
[01:08] <BlueDevil> hi guys, i extended a lvm volume, how do i tell the kernel about it (i.e. to refresh the kernel info so it sees the extra space) ?
[01:08] <ubuntu__> what would happened if i dont setup a swap partition ?
[01:08] <ubuntu__> happen*
[01:08] <NickPresta> ubuntu__, how much RAM do you have?
[01:08] <lgkan> wont run without a swap
[01:09] <NickPresta> lgkan, I don't believe you _need_ a swap partition, but it's suggested
[01:09] <ignoramus> You can run without Swap, but it's not recommended unless you have like 2GB of RAM
[01:09] <Gannondorf> grr
[01:09] <Gannondorf> I mean
[01:09] <Gannondorf> It just didn t work at startup
[01:09] <Gannondorf> the sound i mean
[01:09] <evjunior09> anyone know how to install Beryl?
[01:09] <KittenOfWar> ubuntu__: Without a SWAP partition or similar, you'll quickly run out of memory and things will start to break.
[01:10] <NickPresta> ignoramus, ubuntu__, lgkan however, if you ever want to suspend to disk, a swap partition is suggested :)
[01:10] <evjunior09> !beryl
[01:10] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[01:10] <evjunior09> !compiz
[01:10] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:10] <ubuntu__> ok
[01:10] <ignoramus> gannondorf: your sound just stopped working?
[01:10] <KittenOfWar> NickPresta: without a swap, what happens when you've used all of your physical ram?
[01:10] <Gannondorf> ignoramus:yea
[01:10] <Tw|sT> evjunior09: use synaptic
[01:10] <Gannondorf> I'm gonna restart
[01:10] <Gannondorf> see if that works
[01:10] <Gannondorf> brb
[01:11] <lgkan> thats nice to know
[01:11] <NickPresta> KittenOfWar, can you ever see someone using 4GB of RAM with Kubuntu? You could always use a small swap file if you want.
[01:11] <NickPresta> but yes, I suggest you add a swap partition, ubuntu__
[01:12] <ignoramus> of course, if you had that much RAM, wouldnt you also have enough HDD space for a small swap? ;)
[01:12] <NickPresta> ignoramus, exactly ;)
[01:13] <NickPresta> I have 2GB of RAM and I still have a 2GB swap partition. I've yet to see my swap touched by anything except for creating a 100 000px square image (and maybe if I compiled OOo I would see swap usage) but it's better to be safe than sorry, especially since hard disk space is cheap
[01:13] <[ka]killer> humm
[01:14] <[ka]killer> the mouse is working for now
[01:14] <enzo_> What is the correct command for fsck?
[01:14] <[ka]killer> went out after leaving the doctor (was to dam packed) and couldnt find a decent one at either of the staples i went to
[01:14] <ubuntu__> NickPresta, ok
[01:15] <KittenOfWar> In KDE system guard, how do I set the memory usage graph to show megs instead of numbers like 2.07492e+06
[01:17] <Pitabred> ...you have a single process using 2GB of memory?
[01:17] <Pitabred> I'm not aware of any way to do what you're asking, but that doesn't seem like it's right
[01:17] <ubuntu__> !qparted
[01:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qparted - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:17] <Rukus> ignoramus:   thank you
[01:17] <ubuntu__> !qtparted
[01:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:17] <ignoramus> rukus: does that work for you?
[01:17] <ignoramus> !gparted
[01:17] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type ┬½ sudo apt-get install gparted ┬╗ in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[01:18] <KittenOfWar> Pitabred: no, that's the maximum value
[01:18] <Pitabred> Oh, ok.  Yeah, sorry, not sure if it's possible without messing with the source code.
[01:18] <ubuntu__> tx
[01:18] <Rukus> thats a server is it not?
[01:18] <Rukus> i dont think it will
[01:18] <Rukus> i need a flashfxp clone
[01:19] <Tw|sT> try filezilla
[01:19] <Rukus> thanks
[01:19] <Rukus> damn 64bit
[01:19] <Tw|sT> it's available for both linux & win32
[01:20] <Rukus> 64bit linux?
[01:20] <ubuntu__> is it still difficult to run exe application on kubuntu
[01:20] <Tw|sT> yeah
[01:20] <Gannondorf> still not working
[01:20] <Tw|sT> I've got it on Fiesty x64
[01:20] <ignoramus> rukus: flashfxp will work with WINE
[01:21] <Gannondorf> ignoramus: help
[01:21] <Tw|sT> very trye
[01:21] <Tw|sT> err true
[01:21] <Gannondorf> sound still wont work after a reboot
[01:21] <Rukus> how did u install it?
[01:21] <Gannondorf> nvm
[01:21] <Gannondorf> fixed it
[01:21] <ignoramus> gannondorf: stupid question: your sound isn't muted, is it?  Sometimes, Gutsy starts up mutted on me
[01:21] <Gannondorf> yes...
[01:21] <Gannondorf> Wow
[01:22] <Gannondorf> I am dumb
[01:22] <ignoramus> haha!
[01:22] <KittenOfWar> so the +06 bit is just showing there's extra numbers?
[01:22] <Gannondorf> My Wave was muted
[01:22] <smorg> whats the best console based irc client these days? bitchx still? I notice It hasn't been updated in a while...
[01:22] <ignoramus> gannondorf: that got me more than once - it seems to do it at random times ;)
[01:22] <Gannondorf> I think I did it
[01:22] <Gannondorf> And then forgot to unmute
[01:23] <ignoramus> doh!
[01:23] <ignoramus> gannondorf: at least it's fixed and you'll remember next time ;)
[01:23] <Nuggit> hey, is there any way to drag and drop files to move (not copy) by default?
[01:23] <smorg> i've been using konversation for a long time, but its still nice to have a console one for when things decide to bork.
[01:23] <ignoramus> Nuggit: hold Shift
[01:23] <Rukus> ignoramus, i messed up my KDE menu, deleted the wine menu from it, does that matter?
[01:23] <yuriy> smorg: i use irssi, i think i'ts pretty popular
[01:23] <Tm_T> irssi <3
[01:24] <ignoramus> rukus: WINE doesn't have to be in your menu.  As long as it's installed
[01:24] <smorg> sweet i'll check that one out
[01:24] <Rukus> ok
[01:24] <Nuggit> is that the only way to do it? no setting?
[01:24] <yuriy> Nuggit: it usually gives you a menu..
[01:24] <Nuggit> I guess I should just get used to it :P
[01:24] <ignoramus> Nuggit: AFAIK, Shift is the way to go... i got used to it
[01:24] <Rukus> ok thanks, i am going to just use flashFXP
[01:24] <Nuggit> alright, thanks~
[01:25] <Rukus> i can run installers, to install it, just like windows? hey?
[01:25] <Tw|sT> smorg: bitchx still works great.  centericq is decent... sorta like a console version of mirandaIM with IRC support
[01:25] <ignoramus> rukus: yup.  that's what wine does :)
[01:25] <Tw|sT> ircii is very similar to bitchx...is it a branch?
[01:25] <ignoramus> rukus: fyi, your /home/ directory is usually listed as your "Z:" drive in WINE
[01:25] <Rukus> really...
[01:26] <Rukus> and z: drive is?
[01:26] <ignoramus> rukus: /home/ (as opposed to the C: directory it also lists)
[01:26] <Rukus> really
[01:26] <ignoramus> really. ;)
[01:26] <Rukus> ok
[01:26] <Rukus> hmm
[01:27] <Rukus> thanks!
[01:27] <ignoramus> your welcome!
[01:27] <ignoramus> *youre
[01:27] <ignoramus> gnite all!
[01:27] <Rukus> is reading/writing NTFS on my externa USB drie bad?
[01:27] <Rukus> drive
[01:27] <ignoramus> rukus: not bad at all
[01:27] <Rukus> someone said avoid it
[01:28] <Rukus> i also heard it has become rather reliable
[01:28] <Rukus> i got a 500gb external hd in NTFS and i am not about to change that to FAT
[01:29] <tekteen> Rukus: The NTFS drivers have gotten better
[01:29] <Rukus> i use what came with gutsy
[01:29] <tekteen> And those are the good drivers
[01:29] <Rukus> so i heard
[01:30] <hydrogen> well
[01:30] <hydrogen> what came with gutsy
[01:30] <hydrogen> is supposed to be readonly afaik
[01:30] <hydrogen> ntfs-3g is availible in gutsy
[01:30] <hydrogen> but it doesn't "come with" it
[01:31] <tekteen> yes it does
[01:31] <Rukus> oh
[01:31] <tekteen> I use it
[01:31] <Rukus> it was installed in mine already
[01:31] <tekteen> !info ntfs-3g
[01:31] <ubotu> ntfs-3g: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 116 kB
[01:31] <ubuntu__> i have ntfs partitions and i cant format them , do i will have a probelm while using kubuntu
[01:31] <tekteen> it comes with it
[01:31] <tekteen> ubotu says so
[01:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about says so - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:32] <KittenOfWar> I had to get The Ultimate Boot CD to deal with NTFS drives
[01:32] <tekteen> the bot does not like people talking about him. lol
[01:32] <Rukus> weird
[01:32] <Rukus> i had no problem whatsoever reading/writing to NTFS
[01:32] <KittenOfWar> Seems people like taking them out without removing them properly
[01:32] <tekteen> According to the bot it comes standard
[01:32] <KittenOfWar> so I had to run chkdsk via that CD every time that happend.
[01:32] <Rukus> no problem getting it to read/write to my external drive either
[01:33] <tekteen> !info ntfs-3g
[01:33] <ubotu> ntfs-3g: read-write NTFS driver for FUSE. In component main, is standard. Version 1:1.913-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 23 kB, installed size 116 kB
[01:33] <KittenOfWar> ubuntu__: Nope,  you will be able to work with NTFS just fine.
[01:33] <Pitabred> There was an issue where the proper FUSE config files or whatever weren't put in the right directories, so you couldn't mount some NTFS drives.  I think that was only with beta versions of 7.10, thoughy
[01:33] <ubuntu__> KittenOfWar, ok
[01:33] <Pitabred> But it should be fixed for the official version
[01:34]  * Pitabred can't remember, he's been running the beta version for so long
[01:34] <tekteen> I have no problems
[01:34] <KittenOfWar> I couldn't mount NTFS drives that hadn't been ejected/in a system that shut down properly the last time it was used.
[01:36] <Rukus> i had to uncheck an option in my external USB drive's properties to get mine to work
[01:36] <Rukus> something about "users"
[01:38] <KittenOfWar> brb
[01:38] <KittenOfWar> .
[01:40] <KittenOfWar> .
[01:47] <ubuntu> why i get this while installing kubuntu
[01:48] <jimmybondo> I recently installed ebox on a home server, then decided it was not for me. I have now lost ssh access to the machine, any ideas on why this might be?
[01:49] <ubuntu> why i get this while installing kubuntu http://rafb.net/p/yiIxgy26.html
[01:49] <Tm_T> ubuntu: error says it all?
[01:49] <ubuntu> Tm_T, yes
[01:49] <Tm_T> ubuntu: read what I said ;)
[01:50] <ubuntu> oh
[01:50] <BluesKaj> seems the message needs to be followed ...there's good advice there
[01:50] <ubuntu> maybe if i reboot this would help
[01:50] <ubuntu> tx for the help
[01:50] <ubuntu> bye
[01:52] <KittenOfWar> "ubuntu: maybe if i reboot this would help"  or re-burn the CD at a slower speed...
[01:52] <KittenOfWar> and run the check CD bit before installing...
[01:52] <KittenOfWar> ah, he left, oops.
[01:53] <[ka]killer> hell
[01:53] <[ka]killer> kubuntu wont even detect my cd drive =/
[01:54] <[ka]killer> which is getting really anoying when i want to burn a cd
[01:54] <crackhead_25_> question: anyone know what the keystroke is to delete files without sending them to the trash bin first???
[01:54] <Tm_T> crackhead_25_: shift-del
[01:55] <Tm_T> crackhead_25_: see settings -> configure shortcuts
[01:55] <jimmybondo> Has anyone else here had a problem with dragging and dropping and compiz? It seems that whenever there is a QT program that uses drag and drop, KDE freezes up.
[01:56] <crackhead_25_> Tm_T: thanks
[01:57] <NickPresta> jimmybondo, nope, no problems here.
[01:57] <jimmybondo> NickPresta: What type of video card are you running?
[01:58] <Tm_T> crackhead_25_: also many apps has informational help pages, there's some interesting tips sometimes, worth checking ;)
[01:58] <sfire> well.. same command is for windows also
[01:58] <NickPresta> jimmybondo, a shiny 7900 GS :)
[01:59] <Tm_T> sfire: usually yes, who knows who came first
[01:59] <jimmybondo> NickPresta: Ah, well maybe it is my card, I am on an integrated intel on a thinkpad t43
[02:00] <[ka]killer> wireless isues?
[02:00] <[ka]killer> o video
[02:00] <NickPresta> jimmybondo, ask in #compiz-fusion. Perhaps it's a known bug?
[02:00] <jimmybondo> NickPresta: will do, thanks
[02:01] <dthacker-work> [ka]killer: I've solved several drive detection problems by making sure the device in question was master on it's IDE channel.
[02:02] <[ka]killer> dthacker-work, its not an ide cd drive, its external USB
[02:02] <[ka]killer> im on a tablet pc >.>
[02:03] <dthacker-work> [ka]killer: so much for the simple fix :)
[02:03] <[ka]killer> =P
[02:03] <[ka]killer> i dont know whats up
[02:03] <[ka]killer> festy had no problems with it
[02:03] <[ka]killer> i used it to install gusty
[02:04] <[ka]killer> and after that it was no longer getting detected
[02:04] <sfire> gutsy gave me problems too.. almost like a step backwards :(
[02:04] <dthacker-work> [ka]killer: have you filed a bug in Launchpad?
[02:04] <[ka]killer> im to lazy... and im not so sure its not some how my fault
[02:04] <[ka]killer> same here sfire
[02:05] <_aib> how can I print the version (Feisty/Gusty etc..) of ubuntu i'm presently on?
[02:05] <[ka]killer> soon as i went to gusty xine got all f***** up
[02:05] <sfire> [ka]killer: same problem here :(
[02:05] <sfire> and mplayer sucks
[02:05] <dthacker-work> If no one points out the regressions, they never get fixed.......
[02:05] <[ka]killer> so im stuck with mplayer
[02:06] <[ka]killer> dthacker-work, i suck at filing bug reports
[02:06] <[ka]killer> i can get "device X does not work, fix it"
[02:06] <[ka]killer> thats about it
[02:06] <[ka]killer> not good with details >.>
[02:07] <dthacker-work> _aib: at the command line, lsb_release -a
[02:08]  * dthacker-work sighs.
[02:09] <dthacker-work> !version
[02:09] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type ┬½ lsb_release -a ┬╗ in a !shell
[02:09] <dthacker-work> good, it's there.
[02:10] <KittenOfWar> There's a reasion gutsy isn't a LTS :P
[02:11] <charlie> .server WhatNET
[02:11] <dthacker-work> and thats' why bug reports are needed, because we want to fix things before Hardy, which is LTS
[02:14] <KittenOfWar> huh
[02:14] <KittenOfWar> right click>what's this in configure KDE panel on the transparency option tells you about the tool tips check box.
[02:15] <smorg> hmm... this is kind of an idiot question, but how does apt-get manage versions? If i am compiling something from source, and then make install, does that somehow interfere with older versions of the same thing installed from a debian package? Or does apt work with compiled packages somehow?
[02:16] <Jucato> smorg: apt-get has no knowledge of software you installed by compiling
[02:17] <smorg> Jucato: yeah that makes sense, thats what I figured.
[02:17] <rysiek|pl> czemu mam wra┼╝enie, ┼╝e gutsy ssie?
[02:17] <rysiek|pl> oops wrong channel
[02:17] <rysiek|pl> sorry
[02:17] <Jucato> :/
[02:17] <smorg> so how would one go about managing multiple versions of things installed from source?
[02:17] <Dragnslcr> Very carefully
[02:17] <smorg> you just have to know the dependancies and uninstall things manually?
[02:18] <dthacker-work> smorg: depending on where the executables land, you could install them in separate subdirs and create a symbolic link to the working version
[02:18] <Jucato> you can't use apt to manage then that's for sure
[02:19] <smorg> very interesting.
[02:19] <Jucato> smorg: the cleanest way is to install things that you compile on a different location (/usr/local/ or in your $HOME) and add that location to your $PATH
[02:19] <smorg> so how does kde know how to execute things? How are binaries regestered with the shell?
[02:20] <Jucato> (as well as other necessary paths like LD_LIBRARY_PATH, etc)
[02:20] <Jucato> smorg: they aren't "registered" with the shell
[02:20] <dthacker-work> smorg: the shell searches your $PATH
[02:20] <Jucato> that's right
[02:20] <smorg> ah
[02:20] <smorg> so every executable has an environment variable associated
[02:21] <Jucato> no
[02:21] <Jucato> smorg: everytime you try to run a program, the shell tries to search for the program name in the directories included in the $PATH environment variable
[02:22] <dthacker-work> smorg: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-969.html
[02:22] <Jucato> this is a "global" env var. (type "echo $PATH" to see what it contains)
[02:22] <ardchoille> Jucato: Missed you, glad to see you're back.
[02:22] <Jucato> hi ardchoille
[02:22] <Jucato> thanks
[02:22] <Jucato> !b-e
[02:22] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:22] <Jucato> hm.. that doesn't include that info... oh well...
[02:24] <smorg> ah... so unlike windows where everything gets put into a centeral regestry, linux will search for things if you don't know its location
[02:24] <Jucato> smorg: it will search for it in its $PATH unless you specify the exact location
[02:25] <Jucato> (which is why you run some scripts/programs with ./program_name, with ./ meaning "in this current directory")
[02:26] <smorg> ah
[02:26] <smorg> I'm just trying to get this hello world I made in kdevelop working
[02:27] <smorg> this is so cool ^^
[02:27] <Jucato> command line Hello World or KDE Hello World?
[02:27] <smorg> kde, i'm trying to work with qt :-/
[02:27] <smorg> maybe i'll start simpler
[02:27] <Jucato> ah
[02:28] <ubuntu> i need to mount ntfs partition
[02:28] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g
[02:28] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[02:29] <ubuntu> Jucato, hey jucato
[02:29] <Jucato> hi
[02:29] <rysiek|pl> hum
[02:30] <rysiek|pl> am I the only one here thinking that gutsy was *definitely* released to early, being not polished enough?
[02:30] <rysiek|pl> *too
[02:30] <Dragnslcr> Yup
[02:30] <rysiek|pl> darn
[02:31] <ardchoille> rysiek|pl: I like it
[02:31] <Jucato> you'll always find some people who'll agree with you, and some people who won't
[02:31] <dthacker-work> rysiek|pl: perfection is *always* one release away! :)
[02:32] <rysiek|pl> ardchoille: aesthetically it's ok; but try to et-up two monitours + bt mouse + bt keyboard...
[02:32] <Jucato> s/release/decade/
[02:32] <rysiek|pl> yeah, I know
[02:32] <dthacker-work> jucato: ++
[02:32] <rysiek|pl> I am using *buntu for a few years now (since 4.10)
[02:32] <Jucato> I'm a programming language now? O.o
[02:32] <Dragnslcr> Bluetooth can still be a bit flaky, but I highly doubt that delaying Gutsy for a month would have helped it
[02:32] <Jucato> / start of Jucato++
[02:32] <Jucato> // start of Jucato++
[02:32] <ardchoille> rysiek|pl: I can't see the need for more than one monitor/mouse/kb </opinion>
[02:32] <dthacker-work> rysiek|pl: I have kubuntu running on two monitors using NVIDIA
[02:33] <rysiek|pl> ardchoille: that's not the pooint. some need it, some don't; but under feisty it worked AOK
[02:33]  * Gannondorf is listening to Into The Night (Featuring Chad Kroeger) by Santana [Amarok]
[02:33] <Dragnslcr> My mouse and keyboard usually work, but I'm definitely going away from Bluetooth for them the next time I get new ones
[02:34] <ardchoille> Gannondorf: Please turn off that script
[02:34] <rysiek|pl> dthacker-work: me too, right now. screen1 is randr-rotated right, and kicker+kwin+kdesktop... well... make fuss
[02:34] <cash-home> Hello ,please help me ! I need to know  sound what the sound card I have - when I type "lsmod |grep snd" I cant understand where is the name of my card =( please help me ?
[02:34] <Dragnslcr> It would be nice if KMobileTools supported Samsung phones, though
[02:34] <Jucato> ardchoille: it's not an auto script :)
[02:34] <ardchoille> Jucato: Oh, ok.. well, it's annoying in this channel.
[02:34] <dthacker-work> !pastebin | cash-home
[02:34] <ubotu> cash-home: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:34] <Jucato> ardchoille: if he does it more than once, yes. :)
[02:35] <dthacker-work> cash-home: can you paste it there for us and give us the URL, please?
[02:35] <rysiek|pl> besides, what's with the "There's a new version available"? got it on a few machines now.
[02:35] <cash-home> dthacker-work sure - wait a minute
[02:35] <rysiek|pl> ah, nvm, rant, rant ;)
[02:35]  * rysiek|pl is digging his way through gutsy's quirks
[02:35] <Jucato> rysiek|pl: yeah. known bug
[02:36] <cash-home> dthacker-work http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44571/
[02:37] <Dragnslcr> Hasn't that bug been fixed for a couple weeks now?
[02:38] <rysiek|pl> Dragnslcr: well, the ISOs haven't been up[dated, it seems
[02:38] <Dragnslcr> Well no, of course they aren't going to post new disc images
[02:39] <cash-home> Some one people here , can help me ?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/445
[02:39] <rysiek|pl> Dragnslcr: well, then everybody will get "there is a new version available" each time they install Kubuntu :)
[02:39] <Dragnslcr> But if you've updated everything from the repositories, you should have the fixed version of Adept
[02:39] <cash-home> sorry http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44571/
[02:39] <rysiek|pl> Dragnslcr: aye; but it gets you everytime after installation
[02:40] <rysiek|pl> Dragnslcr: if you're an advanced user, it's aok, if not, well, you get confused
[02:40] <rysiek|pl> I think this one time new ISOs should get posted
[02:40] <dthacker-work> cash-home: that tells you which modules are loaded not the name of your card.... hang on
[02:41] <dthacker-work> cash-home: try looking at this step by step....http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[02:41] <cash-home> dthacker-work thnx
[02:42] <cash-home> dthacker-work but Im soory ,I have sound I need name of vy card for other things
[02:43] <dthacker-work> cash-home: the first command: aplay -l, will give you a complete list of sound devices in your system.
[02:44] <crimsun> (`asoundconf list` is preferred)
[02:44] <crimsun> (or `cat /proc/asound/cards`, which the former parses)
[02:44] <dthacker-work> crimsun: tnx, noted!
[02:44]  * rysiek|pl crosses his fingers - compiz --replace...
[02:44]  * Jucato learned a new command :)
[02:44]  * Tm_T rushes in to see nice crash
[02:44] <rysiek|pl> hmm
[02:45] <rysiek|pl> :/
[02:45] <Jucato> asound... thesound :)
[02:45] <rysiek|pl> works... no fun-hacking today :/
[02:45] <rysiek|pl> ;)
[02:45]  * dthacker-work watches helplessly as compiz claims another victim
[02:45] <dthacker-work> rysiek|pl will spend all night spinning around his windows....
[02:46] <dthacker-work> :)
[02:46] <ubuntu_> why i get this error ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/win -o force,locale=en_EN.UTF-8
[02:46] <ubuntu_> sory
[02:46] <ubuntu_> this one hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 999
[02:46] <ubuntu_> when i do mount tp the ntfs partitions from dolphin
[02:46] <rysiek|pl> dthacker-work: ummm... well, I'm with 3ddesktop for a few years now. starting with the "3ddesk" app back "in the days of yore" before compiz ;)
[02:46] <NickPresta> I find CF to act a lot more stable with the superfluous plugins disabled.
[02:46] <dthacker-work> rysiek|pl: so the thrill is gone? ;)
[02:47] <rysiek|pl> dthacker-work: are you kidding? :]
[02:47] <Tm_T> what thrill?
[02:47]  * rysiek|pl weeeeeees the desktop cube
[02:47] <ubuntu_> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 999, why i get this
[02:47] <rysiek|pl> *wheeees that is
[02:47] <dthacker-work> heh
[02:48]  * Tm_T got bored to whole "3d desktop" in 2 mins
[02:48]  * rysiek|pl likes eye candy and usability - both well-represented by compiz
[02:48] <Tm_T> I like usability, and right candy
[02:52] <Tm_T> rysiek|pl: like, hrrr, http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[02:54] <steveie> penis
[02:55] <Tm_T> steveie: excuse moi?
[02:55] <NickPresta> steveie, what about it? Having troubles with yours? ;)
[02:55] <steveie> penis
[02:55] <cash-home> =)))))))))0
[02:55] <NickPresta> bye steveie
[02:56] <rysiek|pl> Tm_T: nicely minimalistic; I prefer a wee bit less minimal. I'll try to get you a screenshot when I get everything the way I had on feisty
[02:57] <rysiek|pl> steve, stevie, steve-o - anybody seen "Inside Man"?
[02:59] <rysiek|pl_> d'oh
[02:59] <rysiek|pl_> ip changed
[03:00] <jtt> anyone know what is rewritng /etc/fstab on each boot
[03:01] <crimsun> what are you changing, and to what is fstab(5) reverting?
[03:01] <dthacker-work> jtt: depends on what is changing.  specific example?
[03:02] <jtt> changing  UUID type boot  to  /dev/sdaX  type boot
[03:03] <jtt> commenting out the UUID boot and  adding   /dev/sdaX  ...   line
[03:03] <jtt> something is changing my  /dev/sdaX  boots back to UUID  type entrys
[03:06] <dthacker-work> jtt:I *think* this is done by the kernel at boot.  UUID is now used to identify the filesystems.  Is it causing a problem?
[03:08] <dthacker-work> and anybody who knows more than me is welcome to chime in.....
[03:08] <jtt> dthacker-work, well i wanted to mount by  /dev/sdaX  but perhaps I will try  altering the mount point using the UUID and see what happend
[03:08] <jtt> see what happens
[03:09] <ardchoille> !uuid
[03:09] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell: ┬½ sudo blkid ┬╗ (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[03:12] <cmacis> !script
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about script - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <cmacis> !command
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about command - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <cmacis> right, the bot is clueless :) where do I put a script for it to show up as a command?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> !shell
[03:13] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[03:13] <nonewmsgs> is libdvdcss2 a part of restricted-extras?
[03:13] <Jucato> no
[03:14] <BluesKaj> nonewmsgs, don't think so, I've always just installed the individual app
[03:14] <Jucato> it's definitely not part of it
[03:15] <nonewmsgs> it's hard to find the individual app.  it wont install with synaptic or apt-get.  i found a link to a deb in the forum, but i ts i86 and i want x64
[03:15] <BluesKaj> !restricted-extras
[03:15] <dthacker-work> perhaps at medibuntu?
[03:15] <Jucato> !libdvdcss
[03:15] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:15] <titanix88> cmacis:lookup for $PATH and anywhere listed there.
[03:16] <BluesKaj> nonewmsgs, I have 64 bit , just make sure your sources.list is totally enabled
[03:16] <cmacis> ta
[03:17] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic | nonewmsgs
[03:17] <ubotu> nonewmsgs: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:17]  * rysiek|pl_ says g'night
[03:17] <rysiek|pl_> cu all
[03:18] <dthacker-work> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:18] <dthacker-work> argh
[03:18] <titanix88> cma?!?
[03:18] <titanix88> cma?!?
[03:18] <nonewmsgs> thanks guys.  i will try that out and if it doesn't work ill be back harassing you tomorrow night
[03:27] <ira_> newbie how do i resolve this confiict in adapt? "errors were encountered when processing" libqt3-mt kdesudo
[03:27] <SweetWilliam> Greetings - can anybody answer a question about wireless?
[03:27] <BluesKaj> !wireless | SweetWilliam
[03:27] <ubotu> SweetWilliam: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:28] <SweetWilliam> Thanks - but let me run this one by you - had Feisty working fine - upgraded today to Gutsy and now it says I need the linux-restricted-modules in order to recognize my wireless interface. Installed via sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules - but still doesn't see the interface.  Ideas?
[03:30] <harolddong_> does anybody know of a way to organize contacts in kopete by status?
[03:30] <dthacker-work> SweetWilliam: have your rebooted since you installed the modules?
[03:30] <KittenOfWar> SweetWilliam: did you run restricted-manager-kde and check the box for your NIC?
[03:30] <SweetWilliam> Yes
[03:30] <jtt> thanks folks  the  UUID mount problem is fixed just changed the mount point and the kernel likes that ok
[03:30] <SweetWilliam> When I try to run restricted manager, it tells me I need to install the linux-restricted-modules, but I already installed them.
[03:30] <dthacker-work> jtt: great, enjoy
[03:31] <jtt> yes thanks
[03:31] <KittenOfWar> is it the latest version?
[03:31] <ira_> newbie how do i resolve this confiict in adapt? "errors were encountered when processing" libqt3-mt kdesudo I think I will remove the lib
[03:31] <SweetWilliam> Well I'm not sure - I just ran apt-get install... I'll check the version.
[03:32] <ira_> I think this was a very very wrong move
[03:32] <KittenOfWar> SweetWilliam: also check your sources, make sure you've got the gutsy ones enabled and the feisty disabled
[03:33] <KittenOfWar> IRA, did you read what errors they where?
[03:33] <SweetWilliam> OK - thanks Kitten.
[03:33] <KittenOfWar> argh
[03:33] <ira_> they were what I wrote
[03:33] <dthacker-work> ira_, are you sure you don't have adept running twice?
[03:33] <ira_> yes
[03:33] <ira_> now it looks like it is removing kde
[03:34] <ira_> adn adapt is hung
[03:34] <MilitantTater> probably, a lot depends on kdesudo
[03:34] <ira_> well looks like I might have permanently bollixed my install
[03:35] <MilitantTater> libqt3-mt: This is the Trolltech Qt library, version 3. It's necessary for applications that link against the libqt-mt.so.3, e.g. all KDE3 applications
[03:36] <MilitantTater> Yea you've hosed KDE, see if ya can re-install it.
[03:36] <ira_> i think i need to
[03:36] <dthacker-work> ow.
[03:36] <MilitantTater> it's probably removing every KDE application aswell.
[03:36] <ira_> hwo do I open a terminal no more icons
[03:36] <ira_> yup exactly right
[03:36] <MilitantTater> ctrl alt F1
[03:36] <ira_> nope
[03:37] <ira_> maybe this is suoer bollixed
[03:37] <ira_> super
[03:37] <MilitantTater> does apt-get work?
[03:37] <ira_> ok i can get to a run comand
[03:38] <MilitantTater> sudo apt-get install KDE
[03:38] <ira_> nope
[03:38] <MilitantTater> wait
[03:38] <MilitantTater> adept
[03:38] <MilitantTater> havn't used adept...
[03:38] <ira_> oh here is the situation
[03:38] <ira_> no terminal
[03:39] <ira_> run command is aval
[03:39] <MilitantTater> any synaptic?
[03:39] <ira_> couldnot run specified command
[03:39] <ira_> interesting!
[03:40] <MilitantTater> does KDE use apt-get?
[03:40] <ira_> yes
[03:41] <MilitantTater> sudo aptitude install KE
[03:41] <MilitantTater> sudo aptitude install KDE
[03:41] <MilitantTater> maybe
[03:42] <ira_> "could not run specified command"
[03:42] <MilitantTater> is the sudo bit causing problems?
[03:42] <ira_> looks like it but cant be sure
[03:42] <ira_> I am admin
[03:43] <ardchoille> there is no package named "KDE"
[03:43] <ira_> well we arent even getting that far
[03:43] <ardchoille> What are you trying to install? the kde desktop?
[03:43] <ira_> I blew out kde by accident
[03:44] <MilitantTater> He uninstalled kdesu and...
[03:44] <ira_> so I am in a 1/2 kde system
[03:44] <MilitantTater> libqt3-mt
[03:44] <ardchoille> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[03:44] <ira_> I thing once i exit i I cant fix it i wont get back in
[03:44] <MilitantTater> he's saying apt-get won't launch...
[03:45] <ardchoille> sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop ?
[03:45] <ira_> right
[03:45] <ira_> sudo apt-get install apt-get (laffing)
[03:45] <MilitantTater> heh.
[03:45] <ardchoille> If you took out APT, then you're screwed because apt-get, aptitude, adept, synaptic all use apt as the back end
[03:46] <ira_> didnt take out apt
[03:46] <ardchoille> Try aptitude
[03:46] <ira_> all i tool out was libqt3-mt
[03:46] <ira_> same difference with aptitude
[03:46] <MilitantTater> libqt3-mt is a core part of KDE from what synaptic said
[03:46] <ira_> can find the commands
[03:46] <ira_> can't
[03:46] <ira_> so then I am screwed
[03:47] <ira_> It is reinstall a thon
[03:47] <ardchoille> ira_: Before you reinstall, it might be wise to understand what you did so you don't do it again
[03:47] <ardchoille> ira_: Were you logged in as root?
[03:47] <ira_> Oh i now ehat I did
[03:47] <ira_> yes
[03:47] <ira_> I am root
[03:48] <ardchoille> That was your first mistake
[03:48] <ardchoille> !sudo
[03:48] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[03:48] <ira_> no I am not logged in as root
[03:48] <ira_> I know that
[03:48] <ardchoille> ok
[03:48] <ira_> what happed is the the update had a conflick adn couldnt complete
[03:49] <ira_> I iwll show you what the origional message was
[03:49] <ardchoille> ira_: Why would it have a conflict? You aren't using automatix or 3rd party repos are you?
[03:49] <ira_> how do i resolve this confiict in adapt? "errors were encountered when processing" libqt3-mt kdesudo
[03:50] <ira_> no i think it started when i was putting in one of the big video editing programs
[03:50] <ardchoille> And how were you doing that?
[03:50] <ira_> so I made the wrong assumption that libqt3-mt was a quicktime lib
[03:51] <ira_> via adapt
[03:51] <hernan> hola
[03:51] <MilitantTater> hey.
[03:51] <hernan> como va?
[03:51] <ira_> So i guess it is reinstall time
[03:51] <ardchoille> ira_: yes, but which repo? If you have a bad repo, it can screw things up
[03:52] <ardchoille> !es | hernan
[03:52] <ubotu> hernan: Si busca ayuda en Espa├▒ol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all├Ł obtendr├Ī mas ayuda.
[03:52] <ira_> oh i thinkk it is a standard one
[03:52] <hernan>  ok, thenks
[03:52] <ira_> I cant remember the program
[03:52] <hernan> thanks
[03:52] <MilitantTater> couldn't he get apt-get from a deb?
[03:52] <ira_> kdenlive
[03:52] <ira_> but i use the restricted repositories
[03:52] <ardchoille> MilitantTater: That would likely lead him into dependency hell
[03:52] <MilitantTater> or some other way of manually installing it?
[03:53] <ardchoille> !repair
[03:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about repair - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:53] <ira_> or the restricted drivers
[03:53] <ira_> well I think busted is busted
[03:53] <ira_> chalk one up!
[03:54] <BluesKaj> !Broken Packages
[03:54] <MilitantTater> he was trying to install the latest restricted drivers modules, I'm fairly sure he has the wrong repos
[03:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about broken packages - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:54] <BluesKaj> !info-broken package
[03:54] <MilitantTater> !rescue
[03:54] <ubotu> To rescue a broken system, boot the alternate install CD and select "Rescue a broken system"
[03:54] <BluesKaj> dumb bot
[03:55] <ira_> So we agree no hope?
[03:55] <ardchoille> ira_: do you have the alternate install cd?
[03:55] <ira_> no
[03:55] <BluesKaj> sacktime folks ...take care
[03:55] <MilitantTater> Night
[03:55] <ira_> i can make one
[03:55] <ira_> but i can also juts reinstall
[03:55] <MilitantTater> ira_: are you dual booting?
[03:55] <ira_> this is a vmware
[03:55] <ira_> nope
[03:56] <ira_> vmware
[03:56] <ira_> <loved vmware
[03:56] <MilitantTater> heh, snag an alternate CD anyway, they're very usefull.
[03:56] <ardchoille> yes, they are
[03:56] <ira_> will do
[03:56] <MilitantTater> the LiveCD is just for ease of use
[03:56] <ardchoille> When I download the new release, I always torrent the desktop and alternate cd's
[03:57] <MilitantTater> What's the liveCD good for over the alternate?
[03:57] <ardchoille> ira_: Also, you might think about imaging
[03:57] <ira_> ok well I am tired I think I will juts move over a vmware image form anothe rmachine
[03:57] <ardchoille> ira_: You can make a disk image of your system so you can restore it in case of emergency, I use PartImage for that: http://sysresccd.org
[03:58] <ira_> i think i can also take a vmware picture
[03:58] <ardchoille> I use about 10Gb of my 80Gb drive and partimage compresses that down to a 900Mb tarball. Making the image takes about 15 mins and restoring it takes about 12 mins
[03:58] <ira_> hey I didnt break foxpro!
[03:59] <ira_> sorry firefox
[03:59] <ardchoille> firefox doesn't use qt3
[03:59] <ira_> so what must I remove to break that too! ;-)
[03:59] <ardchoille> haha
[04:00] <ira_> ok thanks peoples
[04:00] <ira_> I am going to drop a new image on this machine
[04:01] <MilitantTater> how can I make my wife's "win" key open the K menu?
[04:01] <ira_> get a new wife?
[04:01] <ira_> allways worked for me
[04:01] <ardchoille> MilitantTater: I'd like to learn that too. I currently use alt+f1
[04:01] <draik> What can I use to record my desktop? I am playing a game in WINE and it didn't pick up on the changes on the screen. Whenever my mouse moved over a section, that is when it updated.
[04:01] <MilitantTater> I can't, she'll take my car :(
[04:01] <ira_> thats an imoportant point
[04:02] <ira_> less its a ratty car
[04:02] <MilitantTater> it is, but it's my baby
[04:02] <ira_> what is ti
[04:02] <MilitantTater> 1990 caprice :)
[04:02] <ardchoille> !keymap
[04:02] <MilitantTater> I'm 6'9" so I need a big car, and she rides like a sofa.
[04:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about keymap - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <ira_> trade for a wife with a bimmer
[04:03] <ira_> ok convertable
[04:03] <Ahmuck> i'm looking for a good remote control program for a user who does not know how to install software
[04:03] <ira_> I am going to get a wife with a Bugatti
[04:04] <dthacker-work> !offtopic
[04:04] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:04] <ira_> sorry howdo you install bugatti on kubuntu
[04:04] <ira_> night all
[04:05] <dthacker-work> !vnc| Ahmuck
[04:05] <ubotu> Ahmuck: VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[04:10] <MilitantTater> grr, it won't register the win key as a keypress
[04:10] <ardchoille> MilitantTater: yeah, I just tried it. I'm searching the wiki right now
[04:13] <dthacker-work> what action is that?
[04:14] <MilitantTater> ?
[04:14] <Ahmuck> realvnc, but you think my dad could click and install on windows?
[04:14] <MilitantTater> the KDE menu or the keypress?
[04:16] <MilitantTater> ardchoille: I'm about to try this http://opensource.weblogsinc.com/2005/05/27/miss-the-win-key-in-linux-use-kde/
[04:18] <ardchoille> MilitantTater: Thanks, that looks like it'll work
[04:19] <MilitantTater> it did
[04:19] <MilitantTater> :D
[04:19] <MilitantTater> ah that's a beautiful thing.
[04:19] <MilitantTater> now to find white out and a blue magic marker to change it to the K key.
[04:19] <ardchoille> Nice
[04:19] <ardchoille> hehe
[04:20] <ardchoille> draw tux on it
[04:21] <dthacker-work> where's the control center located?
[04:22] <ardchoille> dthacker-work: alt+f2, type in kcontrol
[04:23] <dthacker-work> ha! I learn something every day.
[04:25] <dthacker-work> sweet!
[04:29] <cmacis> aww, it's not working for me.
[04:29] <MilitantTater> well
[04:29] <MilitantTater> that broke win+d and all
[04:29] <MilitantTater> guess I'll set right win to open the K menu
[04:30] <cmacis> I'm getting ├”├¤┬½┬╗┬ó@┼ée┬Č┬Č─æ├¤─æŌåÉ─¦─¦ŌåÉ─¦ sort of symbols from winkey and letters though
[04:32] <dxdt> if using gutsy, will installing the package kde4base-dev get you the latest beta of KDE 4 or just the beta that was around when gutsy was released?
[04:33] <ardchoille> dxdt: kde4 in the repos is updated, so it should be fairly current
[04:34] <dxdt> oh interesting, thanks
[04:34] <flaccid> !kde4
[04:34] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[04:34] <flaccid> so like how to install kde4?
[04:34] <ardchoille> flaccid: See the topic
[04:35] <flaccid> ok
[04:35] <ardchoille> flaccid: It's beta, so don't expect it to be perfect
[04:38] <maduser> When making a splash image do you need to have a bar at the bottom that has the images?
[04:38] <flaccid> im not a user that expects beta to be perfect, thats stupid
[04:39] <maduser> ?
[04:40] <maduser> my question?
[04:42] <maduser> !GIMP
[04:42] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[04:43] <MilitantTater> argh
[04:43] <MilitantTater> how do you remove modifyers?
[04:43] <maduser> !modifyers
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modifyers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:43] <maduser> !modifiers
[04:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modifiers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:44] <maduser> !modifiers
[04:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about modifiers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> I dont even know what yoyu mean  b y modifires
[04:48] <MilitantTater> keyboard modifiers
[04:49] <maduser> !keyboard modifiers
[04:50] <sfire> anyone using a verizon or cingular mobile broadband card?
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> You are refering to GIMP keyboard modifieers for selection and other tools?
[04:52] <MilitantTater> X Modifier Mapping
[04:52] <hgarcia> How do you change the boot sequence in grub?
[04:52] <MilitantTater> edit grub :)
[04:52] <MilitantTater> !grup
[04:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grup - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:52] <MilitantTater> !grub
[04:52] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:52] <sub[t]rnl> modify the /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:52] <Dr_Willis> hgarcia the grub menu.lst  has one entry for each menu ite,
[04:53] <MilitantTater> Dr_Willis: Does that help explain what I'm after?
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> if you want windows at the front, you can move (or uncomment the example) thats above the 'auto created' entries.
[04:53] <hgarcia> thanks
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> MilitantTater cant say that ive ever had to mess with those.  Other then perhaps years ago to get extra mouse buttons doing stuff
[04:54] <MilitantTater> Ok, I'll keep digging on google
[05:07] <jia> It this a English irc channel ?
[05:07] <Dr_Willis> yes
[05:09] <jia> why not speak ?
[05:09] <Pollywog> if I want to install gutsy with the LVM encryption, do I need to put everything in one partition?
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> I havent tried that Pollywog - You may want to check the forums. I do recall there beingf some  things to watch out for with the encryption feature
[05:10] <Pollywog> I got a red screen when I tried to install xubuntu so I am trying kubuntu
[05:10] <Pollywog> Dr_Willis: ty
[05:10] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure you want to put /boot encrypted either.
[05:10] <Pollywog> yes that is why I asked
[05:10] <Pollywog> I want to leave /boot out
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> Im not paranoud enough to use encryption :)
[05:11] <Pollywog> I guess I will install without the encryption until there is better documentation of it
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> you could apways make /home seperate and enctypte it later
[05:11] <scheater5_> Pollywog: why do you want the whole install encrypted, anyway?
[05:11] <Pollywog> I am doing that
[05:11] <scheater5_> who?
[05:11] <scheater5_> lol - I mean why?
[05:11] <Pollywog> scheater5_: just /home
[05:12] <Pollywog> I only want /home encrypted
[05:12] <jia> Who can tell me how to scorll use curses.h
[05:12] <scheater5_> bogs the whole the down from what I hear.  I haven't tried to do it myself, but consensus seems to be that encrypting individual files is more efficient and practical
[05:12] <Pollywog> scheater5_: oic
[05:13] <jia> i want scorll down and up but the text in window will be clean
[05:14] <jia> i do not want eraser it
[05:14] <jia> I want it seems like a text editor
[05:15] <jia> my mean is i want write a editor ,How to program with c?
[05:15] <jia> use curses
[05:16] <jia> I can not find more doc in china
[05:16] <jia> who can help me?
[05:17] <Jucato> jia: this isn't the channel for that. perhaps you can ask in ##c
[05:17] <jia> I am sorry for my poor English
[05:17] <Jucato> you can also probably ask for suggestions from the people in #ubuntu-cn
[05:18] <jia> Jucato : thank you
[05:18] <jia> Jucato: I think ##C is good for me
[05:19] <Pollywog> oic my xubuntu CD is indeed corrupted
[05:21] <Pollywog> that will teach me to do md5sum always
[05:23] <scheater5_> ah yes - md5sum, how we ignore thee until a CD doesn't work.  I feel your pain
[05:34] <draik> How do I set Kopete to use Spell Check on every conversation?
[05:35] <Jucato> that's the annoying part. afaik you can't :)
[05:37] <draik> :(
[05:37] <draik> I know I did it on my laptop, but it was only for one chat
[05:37] <Jucato> draik: you can try asking in #kopete to be sure
[05:39] <draik> Why won't a Kubuntu Gutsy save the gateway for the connection.
[05:40] <draik> Every time I go to check the gateway, it's blank
[05:53] <calamari> hi
[05:53] <calamari> I'm running feisty.. just wondering if kubuntu gutsy went all compiz crazy or is that just for gnome?
[05:54] <Jucato> !compiz
[05:54] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[05:54] <calamari> excellent
[05:54] <calamari> hope it stays that way :)
[06:24] <sn00zer> does anyone here use virtualbox?
[06:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> but of course
[06:26] <sn00zer> i don't know how to start it, i'm a noob
[06:26] <sn00zer> ~/vbox/out/linux.x86/release/bin$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./VirtualBox
[06:26] <sn00zer> i can get it with that command, but isn't there an easier way?
[06:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> menu > system > innotek virtualbox
[06:27] <sn00zer> hmmm, its not on there
[06:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> how did you install it?
[06:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> via the repos?  or debs from the site?
[06:27] <sn00zer> from a tarball
[06:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> !info virtualbox
[06:27] <ubotu> Package virtualbox does not exist in gutsy
[06:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> hrmm.
[06:28] <sn00zer> i tried the repos but it didn't find it
[06:28] <sn00zer> i'm using fiesty btw
[06:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> what you can do is edit the kmenu and add an entry for it
[06:29] <sn00zer> i don't really use the kmenu much, i typically use alt+f2, how can i get it to show up there?
[06:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> no clue
[06:30] <contrast83> sn00zer: you could put a script in your path containing that command, then just run the script from Alt+F2
[06:30] <sn00zer> ok, another question not related to virtualbox
[06:31] <sn00zer> in my path?
[06:31] <contrast83>  /usr/bin, for example
[06:31] <sn00zer> ok
[06:31] <sn00zer> so how do i make a script?
[06:32] <contrast83> Alt+F2 -> kate
[06:32] <sn00zer> ok
[06:33] <sn00zer> then what?
[06:33] <contrast83> actually, my mistake. sorry, close kate, then Alt+F2 -> kdesudo kate
[06:33] <sn00zer> ok
[06:33] <Jucato> O.o
[06:34] <contrast83> "#!/bin/bash" on the first line, then "~/vbox/out/linux.x86/release/bin$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./VirtualBox" on the second, <Enter>, save to /usr/bin/virtualbox.sh
[06:34] <contrast83> the Konsole -> sudo chmod +x /usr/bin/virtualbox.sh
[06:34] <sn00zer> can i leave it as ~/vbox or do i need the full path?
[06:35] <contrast83> ~/vbox should be fine. if you want other users to be able to use it, you'd want to put the full path.
[06:35] <sn00zer> ok
[06:35] <contrast83> Any reason you don't use Katapult, BTW? :-)
[06:35] <sn00zer> whats katapult?
[06:36] <contrast83> Alt+Space
[06:36] <contrast83> then Ctrl+C to configure it
[06:36] <sn00zer> not getting anything....
[06:37] <contrast83> Hrm. You running Compiz?
[06:37] <sn00zer> i installed ubuntu then added kdesktop package
[06:37] <sn00zer> yep
[06:37] <purpleposeidon> !mysql
[06:37] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:37] <sn00zer> or beryl i suppose
[06:37] <contrast83> Compiz steals the Alt+Space shortcut. You'll need to unassign it in CCSM, then log out and back in to KDE
[06:38] <contrast83> Wait, you just installed kdesktop? Or kubuntu-desktop?
[06:38] <sn00zer> what if i change wm via beryl manager?
[06:38] <sn00zer> kubuntu-desktop, its been awhile since i've seen the name
[06:38] <contrast83> Yeah, do that. then Alt+F2 -> killall -1 katapult && sleep 1 && katapult
[06:40] <contrast83> Get it?
[06:40] <sn00zer> not yet
[06:41] <sn00zer> got a splash screen
[06:42] <sn00zer> but it doesn't seem to be starting
[06:42] <contrast83> katapult, you mean?
[06:42] <sn00zer> yes
[06:43] <sn00zer> there's a purplish box with a slingshot on it and the word katapult but it doesn't do anything from there
[06:43] <contrast83> That's it. Type a couple letters of a program you want to open.
[06:43] <sn00zer> oh
[06:43] <contrast83> Hehe
[06:43] <contrast83> Ctrl+C configures it. It can also open documents, bookmarks, or songs if Amarok's running.
[06:44] <sn00zer> awesome
[06:44] <contrast83> Indeed
[06:44] <contrast83> So I guess you can delete that script I just had you make. :-P
[06:44] <sn00zer> and this works with beryl running if i reassign the hotkeys?
[06:44] <contrast83> Right
[06:44] <sn00zer> ha, maybe
[06:44] <contrast83> BTW, why are you still using Beryl?
[06:44] <sn00zer> it wasn't finding it
[06:44] <contrast83> ?
[06:44] <sn00zer> i got it to work
[06:45] <sn00zer> wasn't finding vbox
[06:45] <sn00zer> i got beryl to work, i've thought about upgrading to compiz but i figure i'll break the system and i don't have time to fix it right now if i do
[06:45] <contrast83> FYI, it doesn't automatically update its DB when you install new programs, so you'll need to quit it (Alt+Space -> Ctrl+Q) then open it again (Alt+F2 -> katapult)
[06:46] <contrast83> You can have Beryl and Compiz installed simultaneously, y'know.
[06:46] <contrast83> Which repo are you using?
[06:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> why in the...
[06:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> sn00zer: point: beryl is dead.
[06:58] <smorg> is there someone I need to bug in order to get libs updated in the ubuntu repos? or do I have to rough it and compile em for myself and just keep track on paper if i need the latest versions of something.
[06:59] <Tonren> When I right-click on a folder and select "Share" in Konqueror, the "Shared" icon appears, and my Ubuntu laptop appears in the "Mshome" workgroup for my Windows LAN desktop, but when I double click on it, it brings up a Username/pw dialogue box that says "Connecting..." and I can't connect.
[06:59] <Tonren> I've installed smbfs, etc., and can read/write to Windows shares from Linux, but not vice-versa.
[06:59]  * smorg is tired of compiling libs, in order to compile more libs, in order to finally compile the thing that needed to be compiled in the first place
[06:59] <Tonren> What do I do?
[07:01] <rockets> How can I make Kopete display my currently playing Amarok song?
[07:01] <sn00zer> i'm back
[07:01] <sn00zer> not sure what happened there.... but i couldn't type or close anything
[07:03] <Jucato> rockets: there's a Now Playing plugin for Kopete in Settings -> COnfigure Plugins
[07:03] <rockets> thanks!
[07:04] <sn00zer> Daisuke: whats so horrible about beryl?
[07:04] <emilsedgh> sn00zer: its dead, so horrible!
[07:05] <sn00zer> perhaps, but it still works
[07:05] <Tonren> Anyone?  Why can't I access Linux Samba shares from Windows XP?
[07:05] <sn00zer> and it took me forever to get setup so i'm hesitant to try compiz
[07:08] <rockets> Where can I find the logging-related options in kopete?
[07:08] <emilsedgh> rockets: history plugin?
[07:08] <rockets> ah
[07:10] <sn00zer> how do you save favorite channels to autoconnect?
[07:12] <Tonren> figured it out... had to add "security=share" in smb.conf
[07:13] <Jucato> sn00zer: in Konversation?
[07:14] <sn00zer> Xchat
[07:14] <Jucato> er... try #ubuntu :)
[07:14]  * Jucato doesn't use that
[07:14] <rockets> grr
[07:14] <rockets> my kopete wont play sounds (yes i have them enabled)
[07:15] <Jucato> rockets: are any other KDE notifications playing at all?
[07:15] <rockets> uh
[07:15] <rockets> i wouldnt know.
[07:15] <rockets> i run gnome.
[07:16] <Jucato> (there's a play button in the Configure Notifications for testing)
[07:16] <rockets> but sound plays
[07:16] <rockets> yeah im playing notifications manually
[07:16] <rockets> nothing plays
[07:16] <rockets> i hit the turn on all sounds button
[07:16] <Jucato> hm... can you check if artsd is installed and running?
[07:16] <rockets> im *sure* its not.
[07:16] <Jucato> er... if arts is installed and if artsd is running
[07:16] <Jucato> that would be the problem :)
[07:17] <rockets> i *need* arts for kopete to play sound?
[07:17] <rockets> it cant use alsa?
[07:17] <Jucato> kde uses arts for sound notifications (unless otherwise told to use an external player).
[07:17] <rockets> well how do i tell it to use alsa
[07:17] <Jucato> and no, I don't think it uses ALSA
[07:17] <Jucato> is there an alsa player?
[07:18] <rockets> idk
[07:19]  * Jucato is not sure how/what GNOME uses for sound notifications... thought it used ESD
[07:19] <smorg> hi jucato, still at it eh?
[07:19] <Jucato> at what?
[07:20] <smorg> answering questions :-)
[07:20] <rockets> Jucato, Gnome uses ALSA and/or ESD
[07:20] <Jucato> I see...
[07:21] <Jucato> KDE can use something else as long as 1) there's a command/app to play sounds and 2) it can play ogg's and wav's (such as the "play" command from sox)
[07:22] <rockets> Amarok confuses me.
[07:22] <Jucato> ?
[07:22] <rockets> Idk i dont get the whole everything-is-a-playlist paradign.
[07:22] <rockets> paradigm rather
[07:22] <rockets> things dont do what i expect
[07:23] <Jucato> everything is a playlist?
[07:23] <rockets> meh.
[07:23] <Jucato> you need to put files in the playlist window to play them. but you don't need to save it to a playlist
[07:23] <smorg> what does wip mean?
[07:24] <smorg> must be work in progress :-/
[07:25] <rockets> Jucato, exactley.
[07:25] <rockets> in rhythmbox i can just play things
[07:25] <Jucato> rockets: er? so? then just play things
[07:25] <rockets> Jucato, i like playing albums.
[07:26] <rockets> in rhythmbox i just click the album once and it becomes the current playing list of songs
[07:26] <Jucato> and? I can't see why you're having problems with that
[07:26] <rockets> essentially rhythmbox works like itunes.
[07:26] <rockets> anyway, id just use rhythmbox if there was a functional now-playing plugin for pidgin or kopete that worked with rhythmbox.
[07:26]  * Jucato still doesn't understand
[07:27] <Jucato> why can't you play albums?
[07:27] <rockets> nvr mind . . .
[07:27] <Jucato> no, seriously. I'm trying to understand
[07:27] <rockets> i donnu i cant phrase this correctly.
[07:28] <rockets> ok like here
[07:28] <rockets> I just found an album
[07:28] <rockets> and double clicked on it
[07:28] <rockets> and it added all the songs in that album to the current playlist
[07:28] <rockets> but
[07:28] <rockets> in rhythmbox
[07:28] <rockets> if i did the same thing
[07:28] <rockets> it would just start playing THAT album right away
[07:28] <rockets> i like that behavior.
[07:29] <Jucato> where are you double-clicking the album?
[07:29] <rockets> the "collection" sidebar
[07:29] <rockets> is there another place i can double click it?
[07:29] <Jucato> Files sidebar, from Konqueror, etc.
[07:30] <rockets> i cant do it from konqueror . . . im using gnome
[07:30] <rockets> i mean I *could*
[07:30] <rockets> but i wont.
[07:30] <rockets> since i use nautilus
[07:30] <Jucato> right-click -> Load replaces the contents of the playlist window
[07:30] <rockets> actually if i double click the album in "Files"
[07:30] <rockets> it just opens that folder within amarok
[07:30] <rockets> ok
[07:31] <rockets> ill try that thanks
[07:31] <rockets> nice
[07:31] <rockets> that works
[07:31] <Jucato> but now that you've explained it better. I believe there have been user requests about that behavior
[07:32] <rockets> mm
[07:32] <rockets> Whoa!
[07:32] <rockets> kopete can do video chat?
[07:32] <rockets> does it work with iChat?
[07:32] <Jucato> it has webcam support. yes
[07:32] <Jucato> not sure if it works 100%
[07:32] <rockets> does it work with standard AIM voicechat?
[07:33] <rockets> or is it like a kopete-to-kopete thing
[07:33] <Jucato> you'll have to try it. don't do AIM or video/voice chats :)
[07:34] <rockets> why not.
[07:34] <rockets> i cant just not do AIM. i use google talk when I can but 99% of everybody I know uses AIM
[07:34]  * Jucato has a similar problem with Yahoo
[07:37] <rockets> How do I play my whole library on shuffle?
[07:39] <Jucato> rockets: load all your collection, then at the status bar, there are 2 icons, one turns Random On
[07:39] <rockets> ah.
[07:39] <rockets> the dice.
[07:39] <rockets> see its like
[07:39] <rockets> everything is one more step
[07:39] <rockets> because it always involves creating a playlist
[07:40] <smorg> anyone know much about cpu optomizations for the gcc?
[07:40] <Jucato> not really. iirc in any media player, loading/playing a file adds it to a sort of "now playing" area or list. it's practically the same
[07:40] <WaltzingAlong> or with amarok? usually can instruct amarok to just play a random set of tracks
[07:40]  * Jucato hasn't seen Rhythmbox in a looong time though...
[07:40] <Jucato> smorg: man gcc? :)
[07:40] <rockets> Jucato, i can just SINGLE CLICK all artists in rhythmbox, click random, then click play
[07:41] <rockets> single left click.
[07:41] <smorg> of course! always a good source of info
[07:41] <Jucato> rockets: it just means one thing... Amarok isn't a clone of Rhythmbox or of iTunes. it's its own thing
[07:41] <Jucato> you can't really expect different apps to always behave or be used in the same way 100% of the time, in all areas/aspects
[07:42] <smorg> actually i'm wondering if there is some utility to tell me which -mtune paramater or -march option is best
[07:42] <smorg> cpu specifics
[07:42] <surgy> hellp
[07:42] <surgy> hello*
[07:42] <Jucato> help or hello? :)
[07:42] <Jucato> (or both?)
[07:42] <rockets> I just don't see the benefit of doing it this way though. In rhythmbox I CAN create playlists.
[07:42] <rockets> I just dont *need* to.
[07:43] <smorg> ooooh duh
[07:43] <surgy> my resolution, on my login screen, is higher than my monitor supports, how do i adjust this? i checked in xorg.conf and it looks good, also my refresh rate seams a bit high. im running 7.10 gutsy. thanks for any help on the subject
[07:43] <smorg> I would use -mtune native if compiling for the current machine
[07:43] <smorg> that just makes too much sense XD
[07:44] <Jucato> rockets: like I said, you don't have to either. you just need to place them in a queue. it doesn't create/save that into a playlist unless you want to.
[07:44] <rockets> yeah i get that . . . but its a playlist-like-object
[07:44] <Jucato> iirc in iTunes you can't even mix and match songs from different collections w/o creating a new collection...
[07:44] <Jucato> could be wrong. haven't used iTunes in a loooooonger time than rhythmbox
[07:45] <surgy> jucato can you help me please?
[07:45]  * Jucato likes the way Amarok is... uses the playlist as a scratchpad for dumping songs and mixing them
[07:45] <surgy> : agrees
[07:46] <Jucato> surgy: try to see if xorg.conf has "Virtual" entries near the resolution entries
[07:46] <Jucato> not really sure though
[07:46] <surgy> Jucato: weird huh? i figured it should use the same resolution as my desktop
[07:46] <kraut> moin
[07:46] <smorg> geh... it doesn't explain the difference between mtune and march in the manual!
[07:47] <Jucato> surgy: it doesn't
[07:49] <timri> smorg: it does here. from man gcc : "This option is very similar to the -mcpu= option, except that instead of specifying the actual target processor type, and hence restricting which instructions can be used,"
[07:49]  * timri needs new glasses
[07:50]  * smorg apparantly needs glasses
[07:50] <smorg> cool though... thats useful
[07:50] <timri> smorg: No, you were right, I misread your mtune for mcpu :)
[07:50]  * timri Just realizes he does not HAVE glasses
[07:51] <keegan> hi guys , how do  i know what  user my apache webserver is running under
[07:54] <sub[t]rnl> keegan: www-data as user and group by default
[07:55] <keegan> thanks
[07:56] <keegan> sub[t]rnl:  but ps -aux | grep apache shows root
[07:56]  * timri though apace was running under nobody by default
[07:56] <keegan> root      6601  0.0  0.1  10168  2668 ?        Ss   12:04   0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k
[07:57] <keegan> its  a default install
[07:57] <timri> s/gh/ght
[08:02] <keegan> sub[t]rnl:
[08:05] <smalls> hi gang.
[08:05] <smalls> whats a program where i can make coppies of games ?
[08:05] <timri> smalls: cp ?
[08:06] <smalls> i would like to  burn a copy of half life
[08:06] <smalls> a cd burning program.
[08:06] <timri> smalls: k3b ?
[08:06] <smalls> will it be just as valid ?
[08:07] <timri> smalls: ??? You want to duplicate your license too ?
[08:07] <mrigns> I think you will have to use dd and make an iso after which you can burn
[08:07] <mrigns> man dd
[08:07] <smalls> whats a dd ?
[08:07] <mrigns> type man dd in the terminal and you'll see
[08:07] <smalls> ahh
[08:07] <mrigns> it's the man(ual)
[08:07] <smalls> thought it was  a technical term. thanx guys.
[08:08] <timri> smalls: If you want to make illegal copies of something (not saying you are), this is the wrong channel to ask for help :)
[08:09] <smalls> yes.  but my question is not about legal issues of course, simply making valid (un-warped) coppies.
[08:09] <smalls> thanx.
[08:09] <timri> smalls: In that case you can use: dd if=/dev/hdc of=/home/smalls/copy.iso
[08:09]  * timri is going to grab something to eat
[08:10] <timri> smalls: Then you can use k3b to burn it to cd
[08:11] <[ifr0g]> !find wicd
[08:12] <ubotu> Package/file wicd does not exist in gutsy
[08:12] <smalls> timri:  is there a particular format when burning as k3b ?
[08:13] <mrigns> smalls: it doesn't hvae it's own format
[08:13] <mrigns> iso, bin+cue,
[08:14] <mrigns> for nero images you would need something like acetoneiso
[08:14] <mrigns> which can convert
[08:14] <mrigns> http://www.acetoneteam.org/
[08:15] <virnik> hi there
[08:15] <virnik> is there some option, how can I modify kmilo stepping when lowering or rising sound volume?
[08:15] <twylight> hey, what's a good program for running an IRC server on kubuntu?
[08:16] <Jucato> !ircd
[08:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ircd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:16] <Jucato> bah
[08:17] <mrigns> a server with an installed DE? kinky
[08:19] <unix_infidel> why would i be able to ping google.com but not do w3m google.com
[08:22] <unix_infidel> anyone?
[08:24] <xevious> unix_infidel: port 80 traffic blocked?
[08:24] <ubuntu> hi all is there a way to upgrade an older kubuntu.. to the 7.10 without a cd / dvd ?
[08:24] <unix_infidel> nope.
[08:24] <xevious> dunno
[08:24] <unix_infidel> no proxy, no ports blocked.
[08:24] <xevious> ubuntu: read the topic
[08:25] <Jucato> ubuntu: the "normal" upgrade process uses an internet connection, not CD's/DVD's
[08:25] <xevious> hahaha
[08:25] <xevious> nice nick
[08:26] <Netizen1993> damn
[08:26] <twylight> ircd is compiling now
[08:26] <Netizen1993> my name is gone here.
[08:26] <Netizen1993> LOL
[08:26] <Netizen1993> I have been having some extreem problems getting a good download of the .iso
[08:26] <Netizen1993> and I have this old version.. that I am currently running in live mode.
[08:26] <xevious> which version are you running that you want to upgrade?
[08:27] <Netizen1993> I just don't know if I should attempt another download
[08:27] <Netizen1993> or just install this and then figure out how to upgrade to 7.10
[08:27] <xevious> wait, you have an old version installed or you're running an old version off the live cd?
[08:27] <Netizen1993> old on a live
[08:27] <twylight> 7.10 is broken in my opinion
[08:28] <Netizen1993> ubuntu 7.10 rocks..
[08:28] <aabrahao> hi, when start the x the error appears: could not open default font 'fixed'
[08:28] <Netizen1993> but I want KDE
[08:28] <Netizen1993> :(
[08:28] <xevious> Netizen1993: if you dont have it installed on a hard drive you're definitely best off downloading a 7.10 cd for doing a fresh install
[08:28] <Netizen1993> ok will try it again
[08:28] <xevious> are you using bittorrent to download it?
[08:28] <xevious> what kind of problems are you having with the download?
[08:29] <WaltzingAlong> !info kubuntu-desktop | Netizen1993
[08:29] <ubotu> netizen1993: kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.59 (gutsy), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB
[08:29] <Netizen1993> xevious: I'ts just failing the md5's
[08:29] <WaltzingAlong> grab a torrent; or the burn is failing? then burn more slowly
[08:29] <xevious> if you download via bittorrent, it can't fail the md5
[08:30] <Netizen1993> the iso is failing the md5's
[08:30] <Netizen1993> I won't burn till it passes the md5 checks.. can't afford to just randomly burn coasters.
[08:30] <xevious> Netizen1993: you said ubuntu 7.10 is great but you want KDE... do you have ubuntu 7.10 installed (on the hard drive)
[08:30]  * Netizen1993 is a starving student
[08:31] <WaltzingAlong> Netizen1993: so grab a torrent corresponding to the .iso you have. have the torrent check over the iso you already have; it will download the pieces that fail the checks/are not right
[08:31] <Netizen1993> not at the present.. I erased it..
[08:31] <Netizen1993> but I do have it on disk.
[08:31] <xevious> ok... best off with a fresh install then
[08:31] <WaltzingAlong> Netizen1993: then you can install from that, install the package 'kubuntu-desktop' and remove the package 'ubuntu-desktop'
[08:31] <Netizen1993> I just want the *ntu system with kde.. :)  I Kan't stand gnome.
[08:32] <Netizen1993> ahhh so it is possible then
[08:32] <WaltzingAlong> Netizen1993: yes so you can do that with the instructions i just provided
[08:32] <xevious> that's a way to do it
[08:32] <WaltzingAlong> if one already has the ubuntu cd
[08:32] <xevious> Netizen1993: or just grab the iso using bittorrent and it'll pass the md5 guaranteed
[08:32] <Netizen1993> I have a 7.10 64 bit
[08:32] <Netizen1993> burned and that works
[08:33] <Netizen1993> I'm already 35 % on the new download..
[08:33] <Netizen1993> so I will let this finish..
[08:33] <WaltzingAlong> from a torrent?
[08:34] <Netizen1993> no from FTP
[08:34] <xevious> Netizen1993: we're suggesting bittorrent because it does hash checks of portions of the download as it downloads, and automatically fixes errors
[08:34] <WaltzingAlong> unless there is a packet sniffing torrent blocker ... your download should be faster and nothing shy of 100% verified with torrent
[08:34] <Netizen1993> ok well if this one fails..
[08:35] <Netizen1993> I can do the slower torrent then
[08:35] <Netizen1993> torrents can be soooo slow..
[08:35] <xevious> hehe
[08:35] <Netizen1993> when compared to axel
[08:35] <xevious> not for ubuntu downloads
[08:35] <xevious> i was pulling 2.5MB/sec the last time i downloaded a kubuntu iso
[08:35] <Netizen1993> do I even have a torrent client with the Live CD?
[08:35] <WaltzingAlong> ok so grab from the ftp source. then you have the iso, you can still use the torrent to point to that already downloaded iso so the torrent can verify the iso
[08:35] <xevious> it completely maxed out my comcast cable connection
[08:36] <WaltzingAlong> !info ktorrent
[08:36] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.1-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 2698 kB, installed size 9932 kB
[08:38] <Netizen1993> holly tolledo.. torrent is slooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww..... :(
[08:38] <Netizen1993> man sayin like gonna be a day to get it :(
[08:39] <Jucato> that really depends on a lot of factors
[08:40] <Jucato> torrents are faster than ftp in some cases, depending on the factors
[08:40] <WaltzingAlong> Netizen1993: it would be nice to know if the iso you had was failing the md5sum or just the burnt one
[08:40] <Netizen1993> I'm just spoiled I guess..... I got used to using axel to do downloads.. I'm used to seeing 300+
[08:41] <Netizen1993> WaltzingAlong: I thought I had specified that the .iso was failing.. sorry If I didn't make that clear.. I do that from time to time,  sorry
[08:42] <WaltzingAlong> Netizen1993: ah yeah you did. ok so with the one you grabbed already you use torrent to finish the pieces that are not matching
[08:42] <Netizen1993> I didn't know I could do that already had deleted from the drive..
[08:42] <crazy_bus> my computer gets to the login screen.  I type my password in and press enter and the screen goes black.  It then returns to the login page.  Why would this be?  Is their anyway to check freespace from the commandline so I can check its not that?
[08:42] <WaltzingAlong> so rather than downloading the entire file again, just a few sections so the entire .iso passes the md5 check
[08:42] <Netizen1993> no biggie.. I will just redownload it
[08:42] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: df -h
[08:43] <Netizen1993> axel should have it here in about an hour or so.
[08:43] <Netizen1993> I'm downloading the DVD.iso this time.. and not the CD.iso
[08:43] <Netizen1993> perhaps it will be better.
[08:44] <crazy_bus> my /home isn
[08:44] <crazy_bus> t listed doing that WaltzingAlong ?
[08:44] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: should list all
[08:44] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: df -h /home
[08:45] <crazy_bus> it's listed their.  0 avail :(.  Any way I can boot in and ]b'
[08:45] <crazy_bus> burn files off?
[08:46] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: do you have a lot free elsewhere? you could move a big one, free up some space, then log into kde like normal, doing whatever from familiar territory
[08:46] <crazy_bus> ok.  I'll try that
[08:51] <Jason_w_w> can anybody help me with getting wine to work?
[08:51] <WaltzingAlong> crazy_bus: partitioning is the fine art of assuring not enough space will be where it is needed ;)
[08:51] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: sure, the issue?
[08:51] <Jason_w_w> well, it's a program that seems to want to run in 640 x 480
[08:52] <crazy_bus> WaltzingAlong: seems to have worked.  It only logged me into a blue kde screen with a terminal but Im sure a reboot will fix it
[08:52] <Jason_w_w> when I tried to run it before, it gave an error about "wine could not switch display mode"
[08:52] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: which wine version do you have? wine --version
[08:52] <Jason_w_w> now I have forced kubuntu into 640x480 (miserable), and still it is not working
[08:53] <Jason_w_w> wine-0.9.49
[08:54] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: are you using 3d drivers for your video card?
[08:55] <Jason_w_w> is there an easy way to check?  (I know this program will not require them)
[08:56] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: you could configure wine through systemsettings/advanced/windows applications
[08:56] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: in konsole, glxinfo | grep -i direct
[08:56] <Jason_w_w> I've looked around there, and played around with a few of the settings, but nothing seems to have helped so far
[08:57] <Jason_w_w> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[08:57] <Jason_w_w> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[08:58] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: which windows version is wine reporting to the application?
[08:58] <Jason_w_w> xp
[09:00] <twylight> wthca
[09:00] <twylight> figjewufgijlk'
[09:00] <WaltzingAlong> Jason_w_w: mind relaying which program it is? (btw help with wine may be found elsewhere, such as #winehq )
[09:00] <twylight> sorry, my cat just walked across my keyboard
[09:01] <Jason_w_w> sure, it is called PowerPrep...it is GRE preparation software available for free download online
[09:06] <Jason_w_w> WaltzingAlong:  thanks so much for your help, but I have to run...I'll figure something out I'm sure
[09:06] <WaltzingAlong> ok
[09:19] <VIVIsect> hello :)
[09:19] <WaltzingAlong> hello
[09:20] <VIVIsect> Is anyone here in the mood of giving an absolute noob some advice
[09:20] <twylight> sure
[09:21] <emilsedgh> !ask | VIVIsect
[09:21] <ubotu> VIVIsect: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:21] <VIVIsect> Well, i installed kubuntu 7.10, and it worked perfectly, but, i cant install 2 things
[09:21] <VIVIsect> my lexicon lambda usb soundcard
[09:22] <VIVIsect> and crappy chinese accessrunner adsl modem
[09:22] <VIVIsect> which is the only type of modem i can get here :(
[09:25] <aabrahao> when the x is started and I pressed ctrl f2 to go to terminal mode, how can I back to graphical mode?
[09:28] <lup0> aabrahao: Ctrl+F7
[09:29] <lup0> aabrahao: sorry, ctrl+alt+F7
 grato
[09:31] <aabrahao> e como faco para o x nao inice sozinho?
[09:33] <VIVIsect> no advices?
[09:35] <emilsedgh> VIVIsect: as far as i know, there are problems with usb adsl modems :(
[09:37] <VIVIsect> Yep, i know
[09:37] <VIVIsect> but i don know where to start xD
[09:39] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[09:39]  * ActionParsnip waves
[09:54] <frojnd> I have a q. Is it possible to write in kate like this: if I put down three spaces and than "{" I want to write in the next line 3 spaces after start and not from beginning  ??
[09:55] <Jucato> you mean auto-indenting?
[09:55] <ardchoille> frojnd: I believe that would be syntax hilightin. Have you checked syntax hilighting?
[09:55] <ardchoille> ok, maybe I'm wrong
[09:55] <frojnd> ardchoille, nop I wasn't, it would save a lot of work in programming..
[09:55] <Jucato> syntax highlighting = (as the name suggests) highlighting words (colors)
[09:56] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[09:56] <Jucato> frojnd: Tools -> Indentation
[09:56] <Jucato> if you want to set a default one, Settings -> Configure Kate -> Editor -> Indentation (affects Kwrite too)
[09:57] <ardchoille> Jucato: Does that mean it's a kpart?
[09:57] <frojnd> thanx Jucato
[09:58] <Jucato> ardchoille: katepart has always been a kpart. used in kwrite, kate, quanta, kdevelop, etc
[09:58] <ardchoille> ok
[09:58] <Jucato> http://kate-editor.org
[09:58] <ardchoille> That's one rocking editor, I know that much.
[09:59] <twylight> kate is the stuff
[10:01] <[ifr0g]> !find dd_rescue
[10:01] <twylight> !lol
[10:02] <ubotu> File dd_rescue found in ddrescue
[10:02] <ubotu> Please don't use "LOL" and "OMG" and so forth on a regular basis. This is IRC, not IM, and using those lines on their own is not required, and it is rather annoying to the rest of the people in the channel; thanks.
[10:02] <utnubuk> is there a way to install the new gnome online desktop in ubuntu ?? i did sudo apt-get as per instructions from redhatmagazine.com and its not in the repos
[10:03] <utnubuk> just wondering if anyone here may have tried it...
[10:03] <Jucato> utnubuk: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/gnome
[10:04] <utnubuk> thanks Jucato
[10:05] <twylight> !gnome
[10:05] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[10:06] <utnubuk> one more questino (i think :) if I update with synaptic will that update KDE stuff as well? is everything in the same 'bucket' so to speak?
[10:06] <WaltzingAlong> utnubuk: yes
[10:06] <utnubuk> cool ty
[10:06]  * Jucato nods
[10:10] <zgmf-x20a> anyone know how to convert files from avi to mpeg4??
[10:12] <utnubuk> Jucato i think you may have misunderstood me, take a quick look at http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/11/13/tour-of-gnome-online-desktop/
[10:12] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: mencoder <filename.avi> -ovc xvid -oac mp3lame -o <output.avi>
[10:12] <Jucato> utnubuk: oh yeah. missed the "online" word
[10:12] <utnubuk> :)
[10:12] <Jucato> utnubuk: try asking in #ubuntu
[10:13] <utnubuk> kk
[10:20] <[ifr0g]> !corrupted
[10:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about corrupted - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: i see.  is there a gui front end available that i can get for mencoder?
[10:23] <llutz> avidemux
[10:23] <zgmf-x20a> and this will allow me to convert avi files to mpeg 4 llutz?
[10:23] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: not for mencoder, but imho best gui for video-conversion
[10:23] <toker> Hi all.. how can I install KDE on Ubuntu 7.10
[10:24] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: avi is just a container, not a codec
[10:24] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: ok, so if i install avidemux it will allow me to do simple conversions of avi files to mp4 files though right?
[10:24] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: yes
[10:25] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: sweeeeeeeeet.. trying things out on my psp
[10:25] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: more help at http://avidemux.berlios.de/index.html
[10:27] <mizerydearia> Using putty, how can I type or send non-ascii characters such as hex 90 (int 144 / asc É)?
[10:28] <utnubuk> mizerydearia: what exactly are you trying to do?
[10:28] <utnubuk> login? pswd?
[10:31] <mizerydearia> utnubuk I'm trying to type in a string that includes hex value 90 (int 144 / ascii É) using putty (ssh connection to my Linksys WRT54G router
[10:33] <utnubuk> For putty, you have to chose UTF-8 from Window > Translation
[10:34] <utnubuk> not sure if you checked http://www.gammu.org/wiki/index.php?title=Gammu:SMS_Character_Set_Conversion
[10:34] <utnubuk> i misunderstood your question, doubt that link will help
[10:34] <utnubuk> hopefully you find it useful
[10:40] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: havin some difficulty with this thing, its not working proper i dont think.  basically, all i ahve to do is open the file i want, and in fromat area change to mp4, hit save and it should be done right?  but the file doesnt work...
[10:40] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: any suggestions?
[10:41] <llutz> zgmf-x20a: http://www.avidemux.org/admWiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[10:43] <zgmf-x20a> llutz: yah i took a look at that... doesnt say, "to convert avi to mp4, just.... "
[10:45] <ocs> hi. the clock of my PC has an error of one hour. how can i see if there are kernel's problems associated to that?
[10:47] <Zombocom> is it because it didn't do the time change?
[10:47] <ocs> Zombocom: no
[10:48] <Zombocom> is the system time alright if you go into setup at the bios?
[10:48] <fomle> Hello.. i got a question about beryl? is there a quick inbstall guide anywhere? only 1 i found lead to was not longer there.. :(
[10:48] <Zombocom> beryl has merged with compiz to form compiz-fusion
[10:48] <Zombocom> their room is #compiz-fusion
[10:48] <ocs> Zombocom: let me check
[10:48] <Zombocom> k
[10:50] <fomle> thnx Zombocom
[10:50] <Zombocom> no problem fomle
[10:52] <ocs> Zombocom: the bios time is ok, and after rebooting also the OS time has been corrected... but why?
[10:52] <Zombocom> no clue
[10:53] <Zombocom> someone else could explain it probably, I was just trying to use a system of elimination to find where the problem was
[10:53] <ocs> ok, thnks
[10:53] <Zombocom> no problem
[10:53] <ocs> another question: how can i check if the installation of my OS is for i386 or for i686 ?
[10:54] <llutz> ocs uname -a
[10:57] <zgmf-x20a> anyone know a good psp channel?
[10:58] <ocs> thnks  llutz
[11:03] <timri> Is there a way to make klipper store images as well?
[11:06] <timri> In some previous version of KDE klipper could store images like it does text, so you did not have to keep the source app open to copy&paste something. I want to enable this feature, but do not know how. Anyone?
[11:09] <sammy> anyone trying kmail+gmail with imap?
[11:11]  * sammy pokes dje_ and mnm1
[11:11] <sammy> your hostnames are interesting
[11:18] <bonzai> anyone around that can help a first time installer noob
[11:18] <timri> !ask
[11:18] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:18] <bonzai> lol
[11:18] <bonzai> k
[11:18] <sammy> that bot is snarky.
[11:18] <joetheodd> Is that a tonguetwister?
[11:18] <bonzai> ahh
[11:19] <bonzai> installing kubuntu on a lappy with via everything
[11:19] <timri> bonzai: Unichrome graphics?
[11:19] <bonzai> looks like i have to recompile the source
[11:19] <bonzai> yes
[11:19] <bonzai> the chrome9 hc
[11:19] <bonzai> wich is the unichrome, yes
[11:19] <timri> bonzai: Oh! that one is even worse supported than my k8m800 :)
[11:20] <timri> bonzai: What exactly do you want to recompile, though. Openchrome ?
[11:20] <bonzai> na
[11:20] <bonzai> looks about he same challenge as the one from via
[11:20] <bonzai> *the
[11:21] <timri> bonzai: And your question is ? :)
[11:22] <bonzai> is lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic not complete or something?
[11:23] <timri> bonzai: Not that I know of, what's your problem?
[11:23] <bonzai> this is the dvd 7.04 i have installed as gusty wonn't even get to the livecd
[11:23] <bonzai> well my next step is to sudo make modules_prepare
[11:24] <bonzai> but i get lots of errors about files/directories missing
[11:24] <timri> bonzai: pastebin?
[11:25]  * timri wonders why bonzai needs to recompile his kernel at all :)
[11:25] <bonzai> let me see if i can post what i've done so far with out getting booted
[11:26] <timri> !pastebin
[11:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:26] <bonzai> ahh, good call
[11:27]  * timri wishes there was another way to control ubotu, without the exclamation mark
[11:27] <jack-> timri: /msg
[11:27] <_lucas> Buenas
[11:28] <timri> jack-: Ah! thanks. (I should have read the docs a little better :)
[11:28] <jack-> :)
[11:28] <jack-> <3 blootbot
[11:29] <sammy> timri: if it's anything like the old infobot, you can remove the ! trigger, but then it'll just shout out anytime someone says anything that matches.
[11:29] <jack-> not recommended ;)
[11:30] <timri> sammy: In #kubuntu, that does not seem really wanted behavior from a bot :P
[11:31] <sammy> *nod* hence the trigger :P
[11:31] <sammy> unless you were talking about something else? it's 4am here in seattle, I'm a little slow
[11:31] <timri> :)
[11:32] <sammy> and wondering if anyone's tried kmail+gmail imap? it's .... quirky. as to be expected, I guess.
[11:32] <bonzai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44598/
[11:32] <carwash^> kmail tends to coredump when using imap
[11:33] <jpatrick> sammy: it's dead slow, and I have to download a message again just to view it
[11:33] <sammy> carwash^: I just installed a ton of -dbg packages for just that sort of thing :) and, yes, kontact crashes a good bit, and kmail is usually the culprit
[11:34] <sammy> jpatrick: and the way that labels vs folders work is odd. if I have a filter on gmail set to apply a label, the message appears in my inbox, then disappears and appears in the folder for the label
[11:34] <jpatrick> sammy: I switched back to pop for my sake..
[11:34] <timri> bonzai: You left out the interesting part: the error messages themselves :)
[11:35] <sammy> again, quirky, I know they have things to work out. but sometimes, like now, I'm seeing messages appear and disappear, then reappear as new on the next mail check, the same message over and over. a message that isn't matching any filter rules.
[11:36] <bonzai> refresh
[11:36] <sammy> jpatrick: I'm probably headed back to the web interface. I'm already using gmail to check my personal accounts via pop. If I get adventurous I might try to triage a few bugs, but imap is a scary beast, even with servers like courier
[11:37] <sammy> I've seen a few tutorials that suggest implementing offline imap with an intermediary imap server you maintain yourself.
[11:37] <timri> bonzai: Nope, still nothing (our paste ends with "errors out there^^^^")
[11:37] <bonzai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44600/
[11:38] <bonzai> sorry
[11:38] <wickedsmaat> Linux Newbie With A Question . . .
[11:38] <wickedsmaat> I'm using Ubuntu-GNOME, I installed KDE.
[11:39] <wickedsmaat> Can I uninstall GNOME (ubuntu-desktop) in Synaptic?
[11:39] <wickedsmaat> It says it's "unrecomended" in Synaptic.
[11:39] <jpatrick> !purekde
[11:39] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here ┬½ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE ┬╗
[11:40] <wickedsmaat> *THANKS*
[11:40] <sammy> I'm going to make a video of this and post it somewhere. watch my messages appear and instantly disappear! kmail: it's magic. though, it's not going to get any better unless I go double check that all the issues I'm having have been filed on a bug tracker somewhere. such is life in the big city.
[11:41] <timri> bonzai: Ah, got it now :)
[11:42] <luigi> !it
[11:42] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:44] <timri> bonzai: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[11:46] <bonzai> bingo
[11:46] <bonzai> what was that
[11:46] <timri> bonzai: :) You were missing libc6-dev amongst other things :)
[11:46] <timri> bonzai: It works now?
[11:47] <bonzai> sorry, i used to work on solaris, about 10 years ago, first time touching this side of the world again since then
[11:47] <bonzai> it licked it, that's for sure
[11:47] <timri> bonzai: :)
[11:48]  * timri is going to try nexenta sometime soon
[11:49] <timri> bonzai: By the way: I am not convinced you actually need to compile your kernal.
[11:50] <timri> bonzai: Feisty already has modular X I believe, so your new via driver (if that's what you are doing) should work just like that (famous last words)
[11:51] <bonzai> best i can get is 800x600
[11:52] <bonzai> anything higher makes it look like i selected the wrong or too high of video mode
[11:53] <bonzai> got to do this again with the audio too
[11:54] <timri> bonzai: Curious. Could you pastebin the output of lspci for me?
[11:55]  * timri Just now notices he has joined the legions of "kernAl" sayers... ouch. That was a typo of course *blush*
[11:55] <smorg> !libsdl
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libsdl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:56] <timri> !info libsdl
[11:56] <ubotu> Package libsdl does not exist in gutsy
[11:56] <timri> oops
[11:58] <bonzai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44603/
[11:58] <timri> smorg: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/libs/libsdl1.2debian
[11:59] <bonzai> if you know an easier way, i'll all ears
[12:00] <smorg> cool that helps :-)
[12:00] <snconnect> hello
[12:00]  * twylight eats smorg
[12:00] <snconnect> do you speak french?
[12:00] <sammy> !fr
[12:00] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:01] <snconnect> thanks you
[12:03] <twylight> !ru
[12:03] <ubotu> ą¤ąŠąČą░ą╗čāą╣čüčéą░ ą▓ąŠą╣ą┤ąĖčéąĄ ą▓ #ubuntu-ru ą┤ą╗čÅ ą┐ąŠą╝ąŠčēąĖ ąĮą░ čĆčāčüčüą║ąŠą╝ čÅąĘčŗą║ąĄ  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:03] <twylight> haha
[12:03] <timri> bonzai: I would suggest to try Gutsy using the normal LiveCd, starting in Safe Graphics mode
[12:03] <bonzai> tried that
[12:03] <timri> bonzai: Blank screen?
[12:04] <bonzai> no, looks like it's in the wrong video mode
[12:04] <timri> bonzai: Some whitewash starting from the bottom ?
[12:05] <bonzai> that is there but goes away
[12:05] <timri> bonzai: known modeline problem
[12:05] <timri> bonzai: First time I hear it affects vesa, btw
[12:06] <bonzai> once booted, you can tell it's text,
[12:06] <bonzai> hmm
[12:06] <timri> bonzai: Try to switch to a console, and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:07] <bonzai> now or in gutsy?
[12:07] <timri> bonzai: You could try it now, but thats how I got over my via troubles in Gutsy.
[12:09] <timri> bonzai: The upside to using gutsy: your audio troubles should be smaller (still an alsamixer pb as far as I can see on launchpad, don't have the same audio chip unfortunately)
[12:10] <bonzai> ok, i ran it, put in an identifier, not quite sure what it is asking me to do here
[12:10] <bonzai> d'oh
[12:10] <timri> bonzai: Just press OK lots of times, until you come at the resolution selection.
[12:10] <bonzai> the xconf file, nm
[12:10] <bonzai> there is no ok
[12:11] <timri> bonzai: Fell of your screen perhaps: try tab followed by enter
[12:12]  * timri has to go in 10 minutes
[12:12] <bonzai> there it goes
[12:12] <bonzai> what's a good amount of mem to use?
[12:12] <timri> bonzai: Unselect all bogus resolutions (gutsy thought my 1024x768 ldc could do 1600 something)
[12:13] <timri> bonzai: Just leave it as-is, and OK your way through those screens
[12:13] <bonzai> 128mb i think is the max, maybe 64mb
[12:13] <bonzai> it's asking me to type it in
[12:13] <timri> bonzai: You can (and usually should :) ) leave it blank
[12:13] <bonzai> nm
[12:13] <bonzai> helps if i read
[12:13] <timri> :)
[12:15] <bonzai> back to a prompt
[12:15] <timri> bonzai: You got to the resolutions screen ?
[12:16] <bonzai> yeah, i selected 1024 for now
[12:17] <timri> bonzai: good, one second, I'am gonna pastebin my xorg.conf, might help you in the future
[12:17] <timri> bonzai: http://pastebin.com/m3dd6e07d
[12:18] <timri> bonzai: You can now cross your fingers, log out, restart X (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace) and it *should* work.
[12:19] <timri> bonzai: But first, you might want to pastbin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf :)
[12:22]  * timri is starting to think he fried bonzais computer from a distance
[12:22] <timri> bonzai: ?
[12:23] <timri> Sigh, smb4k 0.8.4 still has the annoying "DCOPServer wants to connect to kwallet" bug on my system
[12:24] <timri> bonzai: ping!
[12:24]  * timri looks around innocently but slightly worried
[12:24]  * timri has to go now, bye all
[12:25] <bonzai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44604/
[12:25] <bonzai> sorry, mouse battery
[12:26] <bonzai> i think it looks right
[12:26] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: what is the issue?
[12:26] <bonzai> d'oh
[12:26] <bonzai> knew he had to leave
[12:26] <bonzai> via video on a lappy
[12:27] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: 3d or just any?
[12:27] <bonzai> via driver, or better than the vesa 800x600
[12:27] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: how about a pastebin of the resulting /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[12:28] <bonzai> think i'm going to try the settings...
[12:28] <bonzai> ok, 1 sec
[12:30] <bonzai> all 2200 lines?
[12:30] <WaltzingAlong> sure to pastebin
[12:31] <bonzai> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44606/
[12:33] <bonzai> be right back, going to try this last change it's easy enough to undo
[12:34] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: what did timri have you do? comment out option usefbdev? comment out busid? in /etc/X11/xorg.conf  ; ok paste 44606 is the log when loading vesa driver. and what happens with the 'via' module
[12:35] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: make a copy of the log /var/log/Xorg.0.log before changing back to vesa
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[12:42]  * ActionParsnip waves
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> ActionParsnip: greetings
[12:44] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: were you at all interested in the latest from viaarena? http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=25&CatID=2580&SubCatID=163                 also http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44607/
[12:47] <Bonzai> so much for quick lol
[12:48] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[12:48] <WaltzingAlong> bonzai: were you at all interested in the latest from viaarena? http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420&OSID=25&CatID=2580&SubCatID=163                 also http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44607/
[12:48] <Bonzai> it didn't work, this is my main pc, i'm trying to recover the lappy
[12:48] <WaltzingAlong> Bonzai: ssh into it ? change xorg.conf back
[12:49] <Bonzai> couldn't get that far, i'll get it once i get a console, it's almost there
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> WaltzingAlong: whats he trying to do?
[12:49] <WaltzingAlong> ActionParsnip: get better than 800x600 using vesa or use vga video module
[12:49] <Bonzai> I was trying the viaarena driver, it has ya compile the kernel
[12:50] <ActionParsnip> WaltzingAlong: what gfx card?
[12:51] <WaltzingAlong> Bonzai: which graphics unit is it exactly? lspci
[12:52] <Bonzai> just a sec, lappy's almost back up
[12:52] <Bonzai> it's the via chrome9 hc
[12:52] <WaltzingAlong> ActionParsnip: via chrome9 hc
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> WaltzingAlong: bad news http://forums.viaarena.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=80202&enterthread=y
[12:55] <Bonzai> I've seen that, i don't have the link right now, but someone got it going with the via driver in 7.04
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> Bonzai: http://www.hombrepac.com.ar/software-libre/linux/how-to-via-k8m890-chrome-9-igp-and-linuxs-xorg-ubuntu-edgy-610/
[12:56] <ActionParsnip> Bonzai: seen that one?
[12:56] <WaltzingAlong> yeah ActionParsnip i have seen that
[12:56] <WaltzingAlong> Bonzai: but may have some success with http://www.hombrepac.com.ar/software-libre/linux/how-to-via-k8m890-chrome-9-igp-and-linuxs-xorg-ubuntu-edgy-610/
[12:56] <WaltzingAlong> Bonzai: and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
[12:58] <nado> hi
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> Is the command to open a URL with firefox, firefox %u
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> hi nacer
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> hi nado
[12:59] <WaltzingAlong> Bonzai: and you may wish to subscribe to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/11807
[13:00] <WaltzingAlong> ActionParsnip: yes firefox %u
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> WaltzingAlong: cheers man
[13:01] <nado> after switching to kubuntu, my graphics are kinda laggy. i.e. when i try to mark several icons at once and resize that rectangle quickly, the framerate drops drastically. nv drivers for my geforce6800 are installed, settings in xorg.conf are similar to the old ones that worked with another distribution. what can i do?
[13:02] <Bonzai> Bonzai:  http://www.hombrepac.com.ar/software-libre/linux/how-to-via-k8m890-chrome-9-igp-and-linuxs-xorg-ubuntu-edgy-610/
[13:02] <WaltzingAlong> nado: use the !nvidia driver? turn off some of the eye candy in kde through kcontrol or the program kpersonalizer
[13:03] <utnubuk> it's late and my head hurts.
[13:05] <nado> WaltzingAlong: alright, i'll try to go for nvidia drivers
[13:06] <mikl> Is Kubuntu going to package KDE4 beta 4?
[13:06] <nado> but there's the second problem, my adept won't work anymore
[13:06] <WaltzingAlong> nado: in konsole, sudo aptitude -f install   shows what?
[13:06] <WaltzingAlong> nado: (or sudo apt-get -f install)
[13:06] <WaltzingAlong> mikl: according to #kubuntu-devel yes! in a few days!
[13:07] <mikl> WaltzingAlong: ok, I'm looking forward to taking it for a spin :)
[13:07] <WaltzingAlong> mikl: or to see the latest/greatest you could build from svn yourself
[13:07] <nado> i tried to install java, that installation failed, now everytime i try to install/remove something, i get an error
[13:07] <nado> WaltzingAlong: um, wait...
[13:08] <WaltzingAlong> mikl: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version for a guide on how to do just that
[13:08] <mikl> WaltzingAlong: yeah, I know, but I think I'll save myself the headache of figuring KDE's new build system out ;)
[13:09] <nado> it says that sun-java5-plugin shall be deleted
[13:09] <nado> when i continue, i get an error, saying sun-java5-jre could not be found
[13:09] <nado> and i should correct it myself
[13:10] <mikl> nado: remove it and get the java6-packages instead :)
[13:10] <nado> miki: that's what i'm trying
[13:10] <WaltzingAlong> nado: though sun-java5-jre should be in the repos too
[13:10] <nado> but i can't remove it
[13:11] <WaltzingAlong> nado: sudo aptitude update    first
[13:11] <mikl> yeah, that sounds rather strange...
[13:11] <nado> same error
[13:12] <ubuntu_> i am trying to install ubuntu7.10 from livecd ,manully  editing  partition return error ,it says cant create file system
[13:12] <nado> can't i get rid of the package without adept?
[13:12] <WaltzingAlong> nado: and to remove all of sun-java5: sudo aptitude purge sun-java5-bin sun-java5-demo sun-java5-doc sun-java5-fonts sun-java5-jdk sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin sun-java5-source
[13:13] <nado> yup saw it now, too ;)
[13:13] <nado> i'll give it a try
[13:13] <WaltzingAlong> nado: then to install the java6 plugin  sudo aptitude install sun-java6-plugin     or through adept
[13:13] <ubuntu_> please someone help me
[13:14] <nado> do i need the plugin package only?
[13:14] <nado> basically i just need compatibility with firefox to do my homework for the university
[13:14] <WaltzingAlong> nado: well depends on what you want with java. plugin should pull in a few others too
[13:14] <WaltzingAlong> nado: oh so you want the jdk (development kit) as well
[13:15] <nado> i think you misunderstood me ;) i need to use applets, i don't want to develop them
[13:15] <WaltzingAlong> nado: :) ok
[13:16] <nado> gnarf
[13:16] <nado> now i can't get past the user's agreement
[13:16] <WaltzingAlong> tab to ok
[13:16] <WaltzingAlong> then enter
[13:16] <nado> oops :D
[13:17] <ubuntu_> error i got "The ext3 file system creation in partition #9 of IDE1 slave (hdb) failed."
[13:18] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: with the msdos partition table there can be 4 primary partitions or 3 and one extended
[13:18] <nado> yay, it works! thanks a lot WaltzingAlong!
[13:18] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: perhaps that has something to do with the error?
[13:19] <WaltzingAlong> nado: congrats
[13:19] <WaltzingAlong> nado: should be able to use adept manager as you had been
[13:20] <nado> yup it works as well
[13:20] <ubuntu_> WaltzingAlong how do you say i have msdos partition ?
[13:21] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: referring to the type of partition table - not the file systems on any of the partitions; just a guess
[13:21] <nado> i'll try the driver thing now, brb
[13:22] <WaltzingAlong> !nvidia > nado
[13:23] <andreas> My NetworkManager seems to have gone nuts. When i try to log on my wlan, it just wont. Worked fine yesterday. Symptoms: wifi symbol on my comp. is blinking like a blitz, all the bars in Knetworkmanager is gone, and the pop-up when i try to log in to a wlan, is all over my desktop.
[13:23] <timri> ubuntu_: in Xubuntu Feisty this is a known pb (http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/704)
[13:25] <WaltzingAlong> knetworkmanager not listing anything for your devices? open /etc/network/interfaces then comment out all lines referring to the corresponding devices (ethx for example), though you can leave the auto lines; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes | andreas
[13:26] <ubuntu_> timri i have kubuntu
[13:26] <andreas> It is showing up all my networks, but cant connect
[13:26] <ubuntu_> andreas enable eth0
[13:27] <ubuntu_> sudo ifup eth0
[13:27] <nado> WaltzingAlong:  nvidia drivers solved my problem, thanks again ;)
[13:27] <WaltzingAlong> nado: enjoy! :D
[13:27] <nado> hehe, will do
[13:27] <andreas> ubuntu_ it is already listed as eth1, when i iwconfig
[13:28] <nado> another question: why isn't beryl in the repos?
[13:28] <WaltzingAlong> nado: it is
[13:28] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | nado
[13:29] <nado> is beryl compiz again? O.o
[13:29] <timri> ubuntu_: As a workaround you could setup your paritions manually without the installer (http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/)
[13:29] <WaltzingAlong> compiz-fusion is beryl+compiz, yeah
[13:29] <nado> cool
[13:29] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu_: you could use qtparted in the livecd to configure the partitions
[13:31] <andreas> what suold i do to install nvidia drivers?  Got a Geforce 8400m GS
[13:32] <WaltzingAlong> !nvidia > andreas
[13:32] <timri> WaltzingAlong: If it is in fact a problem with non-unmountable partitions that wont help him much, hence my link to http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[13:33] <nado> !nvidia
[13:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> timri: i see. yes and it may help to disable automount as per the release notes with 7.04
[13:33] <nado> cool
[13:33] <nado> !commands
[13:33] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> !bot > nado
[13:33] <nado> that's what i was looking for ;)
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> nado: play with the bot using /msg ubotu !tell me everything
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> oh
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> ;d
[13:33] <jpatrick> has anyone had any problems with updates?
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> which updates?
[13:34] <jpatrick> WaltzingAlong: I've installed gutsy updates and some kde apps just won't load
[13:34] <vbgunz> I am cd'ed in a directory. I would like to recursively search inside every file for something. how do i do this from the command line? what utility?
[13:34] <jpatrick> vbgunz: "rgrep"
[13:34] <vbgunz> jpatrick: thanks, will check it out!
[13:34] <timri> WaltzingAlong: The pb with the workaround in the Feisty release notes is that they seem to apply specifically to Xubuntu, and "ubuntu" is using Kubuntu (WHOA!)
[13:35] <nado> alright, gotta go
[13:35] <nado> cya
[13:35] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: graphically you may be interested in kfind; otherwise the command 'locate' uses the db updated upon boot by 'updatedb'; and of course the greps
[13:36] <timri> vbgunz: Use grep with the recurs action or -r flag
[13:36] <vbgunz> I usually pipe things through grep for file names. i love locate too. I am trying to recursively search through a directory though for words *in* a file and not just the file name :)
[13:37] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: then kfind or grep as pointed out.
[13:37] <vbgunz> timri: I just tried rgrep -i 'prototype' -r (while in the directory)
[13:37] <Jucato> grep -ir pattern *
[13:37] <WaltzingAlong> jpatrick: which package?
[13:37] <vbgunz> it's taking forever though... the directory isn't that big
[13:38] <Jucato> vbgunz: I think you misplaced -r
[13:38] <vbgunz> Jucato: thanks. that gem did it. :)
[13:38] <llutz>  !ntfs-3g
[13:38] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[13:38] <vbgunz> Jucato: yes, I did, heh, thanks :)
[13:39]  * timri Thinks pressing Ctrl+F in konqueror is a totally cool feature, it esp. rocks combined with the quicksearch toolbar in icon view (no idea if dolphin does this as well)
[13:39] <Jucato> timri: it should have both too
[13:39] <emilsedgh> timri: i didnt knew it! thanks man!
[13:40] <emilsedgh> aah, Konqueror has many, 'many' secrets!
[13:40] <emilsedgh> for example its smooth scrolling feature rocks
[13:40]  * timri gives the KDE guys and girls a pat on the backs
[13:40] <timri> emilsedgh: shift+arrow  you mean>
[13:40] <timri> emilsedgh: shift+arrow  you mean?
[13:40] <emilsedgh> timri: yes
[13:41] <Jucato> and the search as you type in Konqueror while browsing
[13:41] <timri> emilsedgh: I esp. like the way you can change the speed / pause etc
[13:41] <emilsedgh> Jucato: '/' ?
[13:41] <timri> Jucato: Yeah!
[13:41] <Jucato> yeah
[13:41] <emilsedgh> timri: yes thats cool and really smooth, really usefull feature
[13:42] <Jucato> did you know that you can do the same thing in file management mode, without the '/', IF you type fast enough?
[13:42] <emilsedgh> Jucato: yes, but thats useless with filenames with more than 3 characters :D
[13:42] <posingaspopular> that's your answer to everything Jucato
[13:42] <Jucato> O.o
[13:42] <timri> Jucato: And did you know you can use regexps in the url ? like /home/timri/*.txt to only show textfiles :)
[13:42] <Jucato> timri: yep
[13:43] <Jucato> emilsedgh: why? 4 letters can still do well... as long as you type fast enough :)
[13:43] <emilsedgh> Jucato: thats the only thing that i prefer in gtk+ open/save dialogs
[13:43] <emilsedgh> Jucato: thats the point, i cant type 4 characters in less than a second :D
[13:43] <Jucato> :P
[13:43]  * Jucato thinks he can type 5...
[13:43] <timri> ;)
[13:44] <emilsedgh> timri: thats not regexp, wildcards
[13:44] <Jucato> in a second.
[13:44] <emilsedgh> Jucato: youre too fast!
[13:44] <timri> emilsedgh: Correct, my fault. It still rocks though!
[13:44] <emilsedgh> timri: yes it does!
[13:44]  * timri stops himself before he starts waxing poetics about the fish:/ kio slave
[13:45] <emilsedgh> i hope konqueror uses Kate part with writing mode...then it will be me prefered IDE :D
[13:45] <Jucato> O.o
[13:45] <Jucato> now let me see... kopete kpart, kovni kpart, amarok kpart.. what else? :)
[13:46] <Jucato> [/sarcasm] :P
[13:46] <timri> Jucato: Filelight!
[13:46] <Jucato> there already is
[13:46] <Jucato> :P
[13:46] <emilsedgh> Jucato: K3B needs one, really
[13:46] <timri> Jucato: I know! :)
[13:46] <emilsedgh> Jucato: burn:// is missing in kde
[13:46] <Jucato> emilsedgh: afaik there should have been one already... or was it something else. afaik K3b 1.0 has kde integration
[13:47] <Jucato> and afaik there are some stuff like that in kde-apps.org
[13:47] <emilsedgh> Jucato: really? i saw it in nautilus: the only feature that nautilus has and konqueror...
[13:47] <timri> Are there people with questions around here? Or just lots of answers :)
[13:48] <Jucato> might be a context/service menu though...
[13:49] <emilsedgh> Jucato: no, i mean full intergration, burn right from konqueror, i hope this will be in kde4, k3b started to port to kde4 this week
[13:49]  * Jucato recalls a kde-app thing
[13:49] <WaltzingAlong> timri: ok a question what is a main difference between fish:/ and sftp:/ ?
[13:50] <Jucato> fish:/ uses a Perl hack for servers that don't have ssh afaik..
[13:50] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: fish:// is SSH and SCP, SFTP is FTP...
[13:50] <Jucato> emilsedgh: sftp uses ssh
[13:51] <WaltzingAlong> ftps is secure ftp. sftp is SSH ftp
[13:51] <timri> WaltzingAlong: Haven't got a clue I only use fish:/ Btw: coming from you thats in NO WAY a support question :)
[13:51] <emilsedgh> then so sorry for wrong info
[13:51] <WaltzingAlong> timri: :D
[13:51] <WaltzingAlong> timri: now you qualify it - needs to be a support question
[13:51] <Jucato> hold on. still looking for more accurate info
[13:52] <Jucato> ah both use fish
[13:52] <Jucato> er both use ssh
[13:52] <emilsedgh> Jucato: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Konqueror+Burning+Sidebar?content=14779 the Kde-app thing
[13:52] <timri> WaltzingAlong: My mentioning "questions" was ment as a subtle reminder of the channel topci :)
[13:52] <WaltzingAlong> have not used fish:/ until just now, had been using sftp:/ to perform the same end i guess
[13:52] <WaltzingAlong> about sftp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_file_transfer_program
[13:52] <Jucato> http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kioslave/fish.html
[13:52] <Jucato> http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kioslave/sftp.html
[13:53] <Jucato> emilsedgh: yeah probably that sidebar. can't be sure...
[13:53]  * Jucato does something else
[13:53] <emilsedgh> Jucato: thats a ioslave and depends on k3b
[13:53] <Thylio> i cant connect to my wlan, when i do iwconfig i get: eth1 unassociated ESSID: "Jensen AriLink" Mode:managed. exc. Why cant i connect?
[13:54] <timri> WaltzingAlong: come to think of it. I couldnt use sftp instead of fish, as i have no ftp server running! So that's your difference :)
[13:54] <Thylio> knetworkmanager is stuck at configurating unit.
[13:54] <WaltzingAlong> timri: i am also not using an ftp server. sftp:/ connects to the openssh-server
[13:55] <WaltzingAlong> !wifi | Thylio has troubleshooting tips here
[13:55] <ubotu> Thylio has troubleshooting tips here: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[13:55] <timri> WaltzingAlong: Ah, I learned something today :)
[13:55] <saad_> hello is any body using UBUNTU
[13:56] <WaltzingAlong> saad_: in a way most of us here would be; #ubuntu maybe you could find more; performing a poll?
[13:56] <saad_> i have a probleme i use a dvbs card
[13:56] <saad_> and che deasnt work with ubuntu
[13:56] <WaltzingAlong> saad_: this is the support channel of kubuntu you could also check in #ubuntu
[13:57] <timri> saad_: For kubuntu question you have come to the right place, for Ubuntu ones, trie #ubuntu
[13:57] <saad_> ok  thinks
[13:58] <timri> saad_: If it doesn't work with Ubuntu it is not very likely to work with Kubuntu either :(
[13:58] <WaltzingAlong> timri: (you may have been thinking of ftps)
[13:58] <timri> WaltzingAlong: I'am feeling dizzy :)
[13:59] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[14:01] <jeffm___> hi, all
[14:02] <timri> jeffm___: hi
[14:02] <jeffm___> Hey, dumb question.  I've got audio working on my machine, as evidenced by Amarok.  However, starting vmplayer gives me a message about /dev/dsp not existing.  I checked and it doesn't exist -- so what to do I tell vmplayer to use?
[14:02] <jeffm___> This must have been a result of the move to Gutsy because this is a VM that was configured on the same hardware under Feisty.
[14:03] <WaltzingAlong> !alsa
[14:03] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[14:03] <WaltzingAlong> !audio | jeffm___
[14:03] <ubotu> jeffm___: please see above
[14:06] <timri> jeffm___: Some suggestions I found: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=182304&highlight=vmware+sound
[14:07] <andreas> what is the command for installing rpm packages in terminal?
[14:07] <WaltzingAlong> !info alien | andreas
[14:07] <ubotu> andreas: alien: install non-native packages with dpkg. In component main, is optional. Version 8.68 (gutsy), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[14:08] <francesco_> !it
[14:08] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[14:09] <francesco_> come si apre conqueror da root?
[14:10] <Chrom_> greetings!
[14:10] <andreas> Why cant i install alien without the cd?
[14:11] <timri> Chrom_: Hi
[14:11] <Chrom_> has anyone found a workaround for the bug in compiz that makes the KDE systray crash and display docked icons as small windows?
[14:12] <timri> francesco_: This is VERY dangerous, but if you must: kdesu konqueror
[14:12] <timri> drat, too late
[14:13] <jeffm___> timri: thanks for the search.  I was pursuing the AOSS route and just hadn't come across that one yet.  I'm fighting a cold and finding the energy to even Google is becoming problematic.
[14:13] <andreas> a install prosses has locked how do i quit it?
[14:14] <timri> jeffm___: yeah, it is fairly obvious it is the lack of oss that is the problem. Perhaps your driver doesnt support it (or not anymore). There are several drivers with that problem
[14:15] <timri> jeffm__: you could pastebin the output of lspci, perhaps I could help you further.
[14:16] <WaltzingAlong> andreas: remove the cd as a source in /etc/apt/sources.list or graphically through manage repositories in adept manager
[14:18] <andreas> WaltzingAlong: Cant klikk on anything becuse i exited the installation of alien in the middle of the session
[14:19] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix | andreas, so adept/apt-get/dpkg/aptitude or the like is stuck, locking the database?
[14:19] <ubotu> andreas, so adept/apt-get/dpkg/aptitude or the like is stuck, locking the database?: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: ┬½ sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a ┬╗
[14:19] <andreas> thx:)
[14:24] <JohnsonWE> Greetings kubuntuers... trying to get my wireless working after upgrading to gutsy... doesn't recognize the wireless because it needs the linux-restricted-modules.  Installed this - apt-cache showpkg displays 2.6.22.14.21, but restricted driver mgr still fails with "You need to install... linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-14-386.  help!
[14:26] <Downix> hmm, need to ask something in #fedora
[14:30] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE: uname -a   in konsole
[14:30] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE: probably shows -386  ... though you should run the -generic kernel; be sure that one is installed then select it from grub
[14:31] <JohnsonWE> Yes it does show 386.  Are you saying I should run the 386 or the generic kernel - can't tell from your response?
[14:31] <Jucato> !generic
[14:31] <ubotu> Background to the decision to replace -686, k7 and -smp kernels with -generic can be found here https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html (the -386 kernel is still available if needed)
[14:32] <JohnsonWE> OK - rebooting now.
[14:34] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE: suggesting you run -generic instead of -386 (an upgrade to gutsy installed -386 on one of the computers i admin)
[14:37] <hanyaasa> Hello...Is there any indonesia here.........??
[14:38] <Jucato> !id | hanyaasa
[14:38] <ubotu> hanyaasa: join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[14:38] <JohnsonWE> Thanks folks - the generic kernel fixed it!
[14:42] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE: great
[14:43] <blizzzek> bye
[14:52] <jkimilu> hey am on kubuntu and am wondering whats the command to run apt-get to by pas the proxy
[14:56] <timri> jkimilu: Something like APT::Acquire::http::Proxy=no ?
[14:59] <jkimilu> oh yeah what plugins do i requier to play mp3s
[15:00] <Jucato> jkimilu: libxine1-ffmpeg. or just install the Kubuntu Restricted Extras package to get most of what you need
[15:01] <WaltzingAlong> jkimilu: you could also set the options in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[15:03] <WaltzingAlong> jkimilu: man apt.conf      shows it as DIRECT
[15:04] <timri> jkimilu: To expand on what WaltzingAlong is saying: If you want to pass options on the commandline, use  -o
[15:05] <JohnsonWE> How do I change the screen resolution in kubuntu?  In fedora, I believe you could do ctrl-alt-+ or something like that.
[15:05] <WaltzingAlong> JohnsonWE: that could work in kde as well. otherwise in kmenu/system settings or in console to create xorg.conf sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:05] <jkimilu> so in /etc/apt/apt.conf am supposed to delete the libne that specifies the proxy or what?
[15:07] <timri> jkimilu: No, you set that line to DIRECT, as WaltzingAlong said
[15:07] <jkimilu> uh.mmm sorry but what line?
[15:07] <timri> Acquire::http::Proxy DIRECT
[15:08] <WaltzingAlong> jkimilu: APT::HTTP::Proxy "DIRECT"; though i am not sure of the syntax              such as http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44619/ is the expanded format
[15:08] <WaltzingAlong> jkimilu: ^^ see timri's response
[15:10]  * timri wonders why you would want to circumvent the proxy just for apt...
[15:10] <WaltzingAlong> timri: i specify mine to use either squid or apt-cacher
[15:10] <Downix> ok, this is odd.  I installed kubuntu on a co-workers machine in dual-boot, and now it's behaving oddly
[15:10] <Downix> kubuntu's graphics are all messed up
[15:11] <timri> WaltzingAlong: I use apt-cacher as well, but jkimilu wants to BYPASS the proxy.
[15:11] <WaltzingAlong> timri: yeah i noticed that
[15:11] <timri> WaltzingAlong: Why anyone would want to is beyond me
[15:11] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: how so; which video modes; which video card; which module/driver
[15:11] <JohnFlux> for ages I wanted to get flash working
[15:11] <JohnFlux> and now that I finally have it
[15:12] <WaltzingAlong> timri: maybe something in the cash is corrupt?
[15:12] <JohnFlux> I want to block flash ads :)
[15:12] <JohnFlux> can mozilla block flash ads?
[15:12] <Jucato> hah :)
[15:12] <WaltzingAlong> JohnFlux: adblock plus?
[15:12] <jkimilu> yahwell its because i have a laptop that i use at work and they use a proxy but now am on a direct line
[15:12] <timri> WaltzingAlong: Then solve it there :)
[15:12] <timri> jkimilu: Thanks, there HAD to be a reasonable explanation :)
[15:13] <jkimilu> most welcome timti
[15:13]  * timri Removes foot from mout
[15:13]  * timri Removes foot from mouth
[15:13] <jkimilu> so any idea how cuz i just did the changes in the proxy configs
[15:14] <jkimilu> but all i get is this
[15:14] <jkimilu> Err http://security.ubuntu.com dapper-security/main Packages
[15:14] <jkimilu>   403 Forbidden
[15:14] <yurimxpxman> my screensaver isn't coming on. Any ideas?
[15:14] <WaltzingAlong> JohnFlux: firefox? adblock plus extension
[15:14] <WaltzingAlong> JohnFlux: also adblock list in konqueror
[15:15] <JohnFlux> thanks
[15:15] <JohnFlux> yurimxpxman: kick it
[15:16] <timri> jkimilu: Could you pastbin your sources.lst and apt.conf please.
[15:17] <jkimilu> ok
[15:17] <JohnFlux> what's the replacement for init called...
[15:17] <JohnFlux> I've forgotten :/
[15:17] <JohnFlux> in ubuntu
[15:17] <WorkRoey> hi,
[15:17] <WorkRoey> JohnFlux:  Mr. Tapsell!
[15:17] <WorkRoey> Good day sir
[15:17]  * JohnFlux hides
[15:17] <JohnFlux> :)
[15:18] <WorkRoey> question:  is insserv or chkconfig the best tool to use for configuring bootup services ?
[15:18] <cecka1> what`s up
[15:18] <WorkRoey> JohnFlux:   :)
[15:18] <WorkRoey> hey cecka1
[15:18] <Downix> WaltzingAlong: it loads KDE, then the background goes white, then the toolbar vanishes, then the mouse pointer goes supersized, then the GUI stops responding.  Command-line is useless on it as well, the resolution is completely out of range and I just get random ASCII characters
[15:18] <cecka1> i ?
[15:18] <WorkRoey> j
[15:18] <cecka1> what ?
[15:18] <WorkRoey> k
[15:18] <JohnFlux> z
[15:18] <WorkRoey> y
[15:19] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: check the /etc/X11/xorg.conf for monitor h/v refresh rates. if you have access still, pastebin the log from /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:19] <Jucato> g
[15:19] <WorkRoey> g+1
[15:19] <timri> JohnFlux: Upstart ?
[15:19] <JohnFlux> timri: ah thanks
[15:20] <Downix> WaltzingAlong: SSH is your friend.  8)  They look ok, as this monitor is pretty high end.  I use it for my SPARC most of the time.
[15:21] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: you could comment out the manually specified h/v rates; which video module? vesa? nvidia? ati? so on
[15:23] <Downix> WaltzingAlong: Looks like it defaulted onto vesa.  Don't know the video chip on the board, so looking into that
[15:23] <floyd> hi all
[15:23] <WaltzingAlong> floyd: greetings. welcome to #kubuntu
[15:24] <Downix> hey floyd!
[15:26] <floyd> does anyone know thie issue withe KDE4 on Gutsy: parley: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeprint.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:26] <floyd> exits since yesterday
[15:27] <osman47> someone can give me link to german chat?????????
[15:27] <timri> !de
[15:27] <llutz> !de
[15:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[15:27] <WaltzingAlong> osman47: ja klar
[15:27] <osman47> !de
[15:27] <WaltzingAlong> osman47: /join #kubuntu-de
[15:27] <waylandbill> so I made a manual configuration change to my wireless card and now knetworkmanager won't show me available wireless networks.
[15:27] <waylandbill> how do I get it back to the way it was?
[15:27] <WaltzingAlong> knetworkmanager not listing anything for your devices? open /etc/network/interfaces then comment out all lines referring to the corresponding devices (ethx for example), though you can leave the auto lines; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes | waylandbill; because of this?
[15:28] <waylandbill> WaltzingAlong: thanks. will try that
[15:28]  * Tm_T slaps MeTa[AwAy] 
[15:30]  * WaltzingAlong slaps Tm_T with MeTa[AwAy]'s large trout
[15:31] <Tm_T> WaltzingAlong: erm?
[15:31]  * WaltzingAlong awaits support questions
[15:31] <Tm_T> WaltzingAlong: you should :-P
[15:34] <BluesKaj> howdy all :)
[15:34]  * timri suppresses a remark about fish:/
[15:34] <timri> BluesKaj: hi
[15:34] <BluesKaj> hi timri
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> !info spamasassin
[15:37] <ubotu> Package spamasassin does not exist in gutsy
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> doh missed an s
[15:38] <Downix> ok, trying again
[15:38] <Downix> this is still preculiar, it runs kdm fine, but kde it doesn't like it
[15:38] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: using compiz? have a virtual desktop setting in the xorg.conf ?
[15:39] <Downix> no compiz
[15:39] <Downix> and no VD setting atm
[15:39] <Downix> ok, this is odd
[15:39] <Downix> if I launch from kdm, it goes wonky
[15:39] <Downix> I launch from CLI, no problem
[15:40] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: same result with other profile on kde? maybe a new user or ... ah
[15:40] <WaltzingAlong> beyond my scope
[15:40] <Downix> yup
[15:40] <Downix> this is a new one for me
[15:42] <Downix> ok, got it I think
[15:43] <Downix> it uses an Intel graphics chip
[15:43] <Downix> seems to be working fine, save for the CLI
[15:45] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: now the cli is not working? what do you mean? launching kde from kdm works but not kde from cli?
[15:46]  * genii sips a coffee
[15:46] <Downix> WaltzingAlong: the CLI is completely resolution-messed-up.  I can interact, but not see anything.  Launching KDE from KDM doesn't work, but from CLI it does
[15:46] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: perhaps adjusting the vga= settings in grub's menu.lst        ?
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: or reconfigure console sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[15:47] <Downix> *nods*  ok, I'll try that next
[15:50] <kuta> anyone knows any undeleted software?
[15:50] <WaltzingAlong> kuta: how do you mean? recover deleted files or reinstall removed programs?
[15:50] <WaltzingAlong> !undelete | kuta
[15:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about undelete - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:51] <Lynoure> WaltzingAlong: just another person taking a poll, now gone.
[15:51] <WaltzingAlong> Lynoure: need to be slower with my responses ;)
[15:55] <bachir> salut
[15:59] <timri> !fr
[15:59] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[16:01]  * genii puts on a pot of coffee for anyone that might need it
[16:02] <Jucato> me?
[16:02]  * BluesKaj brings his coffee cup over
[16:03]  * genii pulls out the large mug labelled Jucato and points him in the direction of the coffeepot
[16:03] <genii> ;)
[16:03] <genii> BluesKaj: Ah, now theres someone who knows already LOL
[16:03] <Jucato> thanks
[16:03] <BluesKaj> coffee!,coffee!,coffee!
[16:04] <BluesKaj> thx genii...am awake again
[16:04]  * Jucato falls asleep... too late
[16:05] <genii> I think jucato suffers from that disease where you fall asleep anywhere...can't remember the name ofhand
[16:05] <Jucato> sleephere-itis
[16:05] <SSJ> Narcolepsy
[16:05] <genii> ah, yeah thats it
[16:06] <lg188> hello
[16:06] <Jucato> what about the disease of typing while sleeping?
[16:06] <genii> Automatic writing?
[16:06] <sub[t]rnl> ircolepsy
[16:06] <sub[t]rnl> lg188: greetings
[16:07] <lg188> sub[t]rnl: watsup ?
[16:16] <lg188> why nobody say a thing ???
[16:16] <lg188> its o so quiet its o so stil
[16:16] <lg188> still*
[16:17] <Dr_willis> ZZZzzz... :)
[16:17] <lg188> Dr_willis: zzzzz
[16:17] <lg188> zzzzzzzzzz
[16:17] <lg188> oh i thatg tha was a smliy
[16:18] <genii> Any pending tech support questions?
[16:18]  * lg188 snoring
[16:19] <tekstacy> So a friend and I have identical laptops, his runs XP, what would be a good comparison of performance?
[16:20] <jpatrick> tekstacy: the fact that one doesn't BSOD
[16:20] <Dr_willis> weight. :)
[16:20] <WaltzingAlong> tekstacy: what would you like to show? lots of statistics but in the end none may matter.
[16:20] <tekstacy> well, yeah, I KNOW mine is better, but I wanted to run something to find out just how much
[16:21] <lg188> genii:  no not really but i try to awake you guys get some coffee
[16:21] <WaltzingAlong> tekstacy: well would be helpful if we knew if the friend was a programmer, plays lots of audio, drafts cad, or so on
[16:22] <tekstacy> not really, mostly office work, web stuff and games
[16:22] <tekstacy> f**king warcraft junkie
[16:23] <Downix> Warcraft sucks!  CoH rules!
[16:23] <WaltzingAlong> ha
[16:23] <genii> tekstacy: Install POVRay then render the same scene side by side
[16:23] <Dr_willis> Heh. Havent played C0H in ages. :) been playibng LOTR online on and off. :)
[16:24] <Downix> Dr_willis: we talked about that the other day didn't we?  I11 goes live soon, which means there will be a free weekend coming up.  Come back and try the update, it's really incredible, especially the new lvl-50 content
[16:24] <tekstacy> I'd like to find some sort of performance test that will work on both OSs
[16:24] <Dr_willis> Downix,  that was one of the reasons i gave up.. I was a healer.. and never  could get with enough people/groups to gain levels.. I couldent solo worth a poo. :)
[16:25] <tekstacy> wow, POVray looks cool
[16:25] <Dr_willis> I started whtn the game started.. and  I think im at like level 34 or so. :)
[16:25] <WaltzingAlong> !info povray
[16:25] <ubotu> povray: Persistence of vision raytracer (3D renderer). In component multiverse, is extra. Version 1:3.6.1-6 (gutsy), package size 707 kB, installed size 1768 kB
[16:25] <Dr_willis> but if they got a free weekend i may try.
[16:26] <Dr_willis> I normally notice/get the free notices in my email - a few weeks after the free events
[16:26] <genii> tekstacy: Since povray comes for a few platforms, you can install it on both boxes, load the same scene into it then do a side by side comparison of how long to render the same one on both machines
[16:26] <tekstacy> cool, I will try that
[16:27] <Dr_willis> i wonder if the 64bit version of POV would gain any speed boost
[16:29] <tekstacy> Hmm, I have a amd64 (kubuntu 7.10) I could also compare it to
[16:29] <tekstacy> :(  But I have to fix it first
[16:31] <genii> Dr_willis: You have me wondering now too LOL
[16:33] <Downix> Dr_willis: I'd check the main website around dec 10th or so
[16:34] <genii> I wonder if there's some free equivelent of geekbench
[16:37] <tekstacy> :(  off to work, bye all
[16:49] <softmaster> hi all
[16:49] <WaltzingAlong> !hi | softmaster
[16:49] <ubotu> softmaster: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[16:50] <softmaster> i have a simple request
[16:50] <softmaster> i want repository
[16:50] <softmaster> that i can download realplayer
[16:50] <softmaster> skype ...etc
[16:50] <softmaster> for gutsy
[16:51] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: such a repo exists
[16:51] <softmaster> WaltzingAlong what is it
[16:51]  * Dr_willis wonders what web sites people are going to that they need realplayer.
[16:51] <softmaster> ?
[16:51] <WaltzingAlong> softmaster: perhaps is already in your /etc/apt/sources.list file: deb     http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu     gutsy   partner
[16:52] <WaltzingAlong> !medibuntu | softmaster, you may also wish to check here
[16:52] <ubotu> softmaster, you may also wish to check here: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[16:52] <softmaster> i'll check
[16:52] <WaltzingAlong> !find helix
[16:52] <ubotu> Found: helix-player, mozilla-helix-player
[16:52] <WaltzingAlong> !info helix-player | softmaster
[16:53] <ubotu> softmaster: helix-player: the helix audio and video player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6-3 (gutsy), package size 3966 kB, installed size 10184 kB (Only available for i386 powerpc sparc)
[16:53] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis: would be interesting to find out
[16:53] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis: compile a list of them
[16:53] <Dr_willis> with the deb http://archive.canonical i just see opera in there. No realplayer.
[16:53] <Dr_willis> let me look some more. :)
[16:54] <softmaster> Dr_willis thanks
[16:54] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis: then in medibuntu i suppose
[16:55] <WaltzingAlong> Dr_willis: ? http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/r/realplay/
[16:55] <WaltzingAlong> but yes none for gutsy :(
[16:56] <Dr_willis> The KMPlayer KPart plugin for Konqueror mimics QuickTime, MS Media Player and
[16:56] <Dr_willis> RealPlayer plugin browser plugins.
[16:57] <Dr_willis> :) found that...
[16:57] <WaltzingAlong> !info mozilla-helix-player
[16:57] <ubotu> mozilla-helix-player: the helix audio and video player (browser plugin). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.6-3 (gutsy), package size 47 kB, installed size 148 kB (Only available for i386 powerpc sparc)
[16:58] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. aint getting any of the packages under http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/ to show up.
[16:58] <Dr_willis> perhaps the sources.list line is wrong.
[16:59] <Dr_willis> and i did 'apt-get update' :)
[16:59] <Dr_willis> I got the 2 lines
[16:59] <Dr_willis> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu     gutsy-commercial main
[16:59] <Dr_willis> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu     gutsy   partner
[17:02] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: use partner not commercial
[17:02] <gnomefreak> partner == commercial
[17:02] <softmaster> what about skype?
[17:02] <gnomefreak> what about it?
[17:02] <Dr_willis> i got one of each. :) or ya mean to use gutsy-partner not 'gutsy partner'
[17:03] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: hold on ill give you exact name
[17:03] <osh_> anyone know how to extract the vob-files from an iso? Just a loopback mount and copy?
[17:03] <Dr_willis> osh_,  thats one way.
[17:03] <gnomefreak> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner  is the repo you want
[17:04] <osh_> Dr_willis: any other good way you know of?
[17:04] <gnomefreak> osh_: stick cd in and browse it right click and copy folder to ~/ or /tmp/ or where ever
[17:04] <kiryo> ciao....
[17:04] <kiryo> ita?
[17:04] <gnomefreak> kiryo: #kubuntu-it
[17:05] <Dr_willis> osh_,   i dont know of ANY other way - other then burning it to dvd. :)
[17:05] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: use that repo and the src version of it remove commercial and other partner.commercial repos
[17:06] <osh_> gnomefreak: I don't have a cd, just a too large iso that I need some files from.
[17:06] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmmmm
[17:06] <osh_> but loopback will do just fine i think.
[17:07] <gnomefreak> osh_: wont right clicking it and using extract (do this in a new dir.) and grab it, there is apps that will repack it but i dont have names off hand
[17:08] <gnomefreak> sudo dpkg -i intlclock_1.0-1ubuntu1~ppa2_i386.deb
[17:08] <gnomefreak> oh crap
[17:08] <gnomefreak> ignore that
[17:08] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  somthings odd with it.. I get a hit on it.. and it downloads  the info,. but i see no new packages.
[17:08] <osh_> gnomefreak: ah? will try that.
[17:08] <ajmoulen> isn't it a little odd having gnomefreak in the kubuntu channel? ;-)
[17:09] <osh_> ajmoulen: no. we're all lovechildren of linux. :-)
[17:09] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: that i dont know maybe its not up to date, but packages like acroread should be in it
[17:09] <timri> ajmoulen: It's a 12 step program I think
[17:09] <ajmoulen> timri: ah I see, so he is in denial now, got it
[17:10] <gnomefreak> sorry i sold my kdefreak already
[17:10] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  No acroread, Hmm.. odd.. Perhaps just a glitch on their end. ill try on another box later.
[17:10]  * Dr_willis goes back to reading the news.
[17:11] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: not sure im not on gutsy atm but if i find something out ill let you know
[17:11] <Dr_willis> PS3 has a $400 variant that cant play PS2 games...  well thats a deal killer for me. :)
[17:11] <Dr_willis> Doing my Xmas shopping. for what the wife can get me. I want an Eee. :)
[17:12] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: I am with you there, if my PS3 couldn't play PS2 games I would be in sad shape since I play more PS2 games than PS3 games still
[17:12] <timri> Dr_willis: I heard skype has the video stuff working on the EEE now.
[17:12] <BluesKaj> hmm, I guess Frostwire just won't run on 64bit
[17:13] <ajmoulen> but a 7" 800x480 display just seems wrong
[17:13] <Dr_willis> ajmoulen,  so i guess if i want a PS3 i need to get a higher end one? or is the no ps2 games  on them, the standard?
[17:14] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: the 60G now the 80G I think, does play PS2 games
[17:14] <Dr_willis> timri,  :) that would be neat.  Ive mainly been reading comic books with comix on my laptop
[17:14] <softmaster> is there a repository that i can download skype from it?
[17:14] <Dr_willis> comic books at 800x480 = may not be too good.
[17:14] <BluesKaj> amule crashes as does emule on wine, so I'm kinda stuck with frostwire , unless there's something else available ... justr trying to DL some old tv shows that aren't available on commercial site
[17:15] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: I have the original 60G one which had the hardware unit, the newer ones that still do play PS2 I think do it in software
[17:15] <BluesKaj> torrent sites are hopeles for what I'm looking for
[17:15] <Downix> is there a way to disable the framebuffer?
[17:15] <Dr_willis> ajmoulen,  may be cheaper/better to just buy me a new PS2. :) my old one died.
[17:15] <Downix> for the cli I mean
[17:15] <Dr_willis> Downix,  use the 'nofb' kernel option to the kernel at boot time
[17:16] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: ah, maybe, buy a refurb
[17:16] <Dr_willis> Downix,  i normally disable it.
[17:16] <Downix> still not used to a kernel with a fb outside of my old Amiga
[17:16] <Dr_willis> ajmoulen,  yep. But they are only like $20 cheaper then a new one - from what ive seen
[17:16]  * Dr_willis has several amigas. :)
[17:16] <Dr_willis> 2 short now.. i FINIALLY sent 2 to Minataku
[17:16] <Dr_willis> if hes awake.
[17:16] <osh_> BluesKaj: Freenet? If you don't mind waiting a few days for the download that is.
[17:17] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: never really looked, I have a PS2 sitting in a crate somewhere at home, haven't used it since i bought the PS3 in Feb.
[17:17] <Dr_willis> ajmoulen,  i got a wii when i found one. :) aparanely they will be short supply this xmas.
[17:17] <ajmoulen> the sad thing is that my wife let me buy a PS3 since we only play games about once a month and then only one or two days then stop again till the next month
[17:17] <Dr_willis> havnet bought any wii games howeer just play my GC games on it.. and web surf.
[17:18] <ajmoulen> so my PS3 spends 95% of its life folding ;-)
[17:18] <timri> Dr_willis: I have been nagging Ink-media for a while now, but they dont reply to my mails (http://ink-media.com/Ink-Computer.html), a pity 'cause that screen is slightly better.
[17:18] <BluesKaj> osh_, freenet ?
[17:18] <ajmoulen> I need to put linux on it at some point
[17:18]  * timri is already waiting in #kubuntu-offtopic
[17:18] <ajmoulen> is there a kubuntu release for PS3?
[17:19] <Dr_willis> !ps3
[17:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ps3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:20] <Downix> the PS3 runs it's own distro IIRC
[17:20] <ajmoulen> there is an Ubuntu release for ps3
[17:20] <Downix> the PS3 runs it's own distro IIRC
[17:20] <ajmoulen> fiesty, don't see anything abought gutsy
[17:20] <ajmoulen> Downix: there is an available PS3 distro
[17:21] <ajmoulen> but any distro can also release to the PS3 it isn't special
[17:21] <ajmoulen> Yellowdog is probably the most known PS3 distro
[17:21] <BluesKaj> osh_, I've been trying for weeks to find a particular brit tv series from the 70s which is only available on some obscure brit invite only torrent site ...I've heard from others that one of the p2p networks has one season on it
[17:21] <Dr_willis> I rember when there was the big deal about PS2 Linux.. and look at it now! :)
[17:22] <ajmoulen> well PS2 linux was a pain because you had to add all this crap to your machine to do it
[17:22] <Dr_willis> ajmoulen,  :) yep
[17:22] <ajmoulen> it had no harddrive, couldn't really boot normally
[17:22] <ajmoulen> the PS3 really is a complete computer that plays games
[17:22] <cloakable> Isn't that the xbox?
[17:22] <cloakable> :P
[17:22] <ajmoulen> cloakable: true
[17:23] <cloakable> That's the IA_32 powered device :)
[17:23] <hagabaka> [12:17:47] <Downix> the PS3 runs it's own distro IIRC
[17:24] <Chousuke> Hmm
[17:24] <cloakable> Yeah but you can run linux on a toaster if it had a CPU :P
[17:24] <hagabaka> i interpreted that as that PS3 runs Linux when it's out of the box
[17:24] <Chousuke> PS3 can run Linux, but it does so under a hypervisor. I think the OS itself is something else though.
[17:25] <hagabaka> oh
[17:25] <mathieu_> quelqu'un sait comment faire fonctionner le wifi sur un portable?
[17:26] <sstchur> what is the name of that menu w/ built in search that is available in openSUSE?  I'm trying to find it on KDE-apps.org
[17:26] <Downix> I don't think anyones made a Distro for the Cell CPU the PS3 runs.
[17:26] <timri> !fr
[17:26] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[17:26] <WaltzingAlong> playstation did
[17:26] <mathieu_> how do we make wifi work on kubuntu?
[17:26] <ajmoulen> Downix: Yellowdog does because the Cell CPU is a PowerPC cpu with special processing units
[17:27] <WaltzingAlong> !wifi | mathieu_
[17:27] <ubotu> mathieu_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[17:27] <timri> mathieu_: If your hardware is supported, use knetworkmanager, if not... :)
[17:27] <ajmoulen> the Yellowdog distro can only support so many of the nodes off the Cell though because Sony put a limiter on the number made available
[17:28] <Dr_willis> OpenSuSE, Ubuntu[7], Fedora Core 7[8], Gentoo [9] and Debian [10] can be run on the PlayStation 3.[11] Sony sponsors a specific distribution, Yellow Dog Linux for the
[17:28] <Dr_willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_for_PlayStation_3
[17:29] <timri> Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for non-support discussions
[17:29] <Downix> ajmoulen: No, it's not a PowerPC.  No more than an i860 is an x86.  Cell is based on POWER, like how PowerPC is, but they're not 100% compatible.
[17:29] <Downix> POWER != PowerPC
[17:29] <mkz> I've recently installed gutsy and have been having a problem with sporatic system lockups.  I think it's related to firefox, but I have no way of verifying.  Can I enable system logging (are are there already system logs) which might help me to trace down what the system was doing at the moment it froze?
[17:30] <Downix> mkz: total freeze or just the GUI?
[17:30] <ajmoulen> mkz: does the system come back alive after locking?
[17:30] <mkz> background: by freeze I mean freeze - no alt-f1 through fx response and no sysrq response
[17:30] <mkz> Dow
[17:30] <ajmoulen> ah so X locked up and everything
[17:30] <mkz> Downix: complete lockup
[17:30] <Downix> mkz:  can you ssh into the machine?
[17:30] <mkz> ajmoulen: nope
[17:30] <Dr_willis> Ick.
[17:31] <Dr_willis> Can firefox even cause such a lockup?
[17:31] <mkz> Downix: good question.  I haven't tried to ssh from another machine
[17:31] <ajmoulen> Dr_willis: anything can, just generally shouldn't
[17:31] <Downix> Dr_willis: a bad driver can lockup under any app
[17:31] <mkz> Dr_willis: I don't want to cast aspertions: it may not in fact be ff, it's just that I notice it hanging usually when I've done something within FF
[17:31] <ajmoulen> mkz: what graphics device is on your machine? and are you using compiz?
[17:31] <Dr_willis> Downix,  thats what i was thinking. the X driver could.. but firefox in gernal shouldent cause a whole system lockup.
[17:31] <Downix> mkz:  would be helpful to debug.  If you can, then you can check to see what the lockup is exactly.
[17:32] <Downix> Dr_Willis:  could be a firefox module not liking the gfx or sound driver.
[17:32] <mkz> Downix: ok.  I haven't debugged before, so I'd appreciate any help
[17:32] <ajmoulen> also mkz have you tried running memtest?
[17:32] <mkz> as to the graphics system: it's an nvidia 7900 with restricted drivers and I'm using compiz as released from the repos (which I've been using for 6 months without problem).
[17:32] <Downix> ah, could be compiz
[17:32] <mkz> ajmoulen: nope.  You mean at boot time?
[17:33] <ajmoulen> mkz: right
[17:33] <Dr_willis> Heh - troubleshooting 101. disable compiz :)
[17:33] <mkz> ajmoulen: I will do that next boot
[17:33] <mkz> Dr_willis: have disabled compiz and it's still frozen (was the first thing I thought of)
[17:33] <ajmoulen> mkz: it could be a bad memory chip and Firefox has a tendency to slowly eat more memory so it could be you don't see it until firefox is running for a bit
[17:34] <mkz> what I'm looking for now is some direction on how to enable system logging, or at the very least some guidance and where the relevant logs might be (/var/log?) and what in general I should look for...
[17:34] <Downix> ajmoulen: Or a memory chip being run at the wrong speed.  Had that happen once, the mobo set it to run at 266Mhz when the chip could only handle 233Mhz
[17:34] <ajmoulen> mkz: the problem is if the system really locked, it isn't likely writting to the logs anymore
[17:34] <ajmoulen> if the display is just frozen then that is a different subject
[17:34] <mkz> interesting hypothesis. I can certain run a memtest and see what comes of it.  I did double the RAM about 6+ months ago.  Hadn't had any problems like this until I installed gutsy though...
[17:35] <mkz> ajmoulen: yes, but it should have written something up until it hung, and that might give me a clue.
[17:35] <ajmoulen> each release of an operating system will beat on a machine a little harder to get performance out of it
[17:35] <mkz> ajmoulen: but I'm still relatively new to troubleshooting linux, so I'm not entirely clear on what to look at.
[17:35] <ajmoulen> you can check /var/log/messages
[17:36] <ajmoulen> and /var/log/kern.log
[17:36] <ajmoulen> they should roll over so you should still have any messages written up to the last lock
[17:36] <ajmoulen> just pick one of the older files
[17:37] <ajmoulen> syslog and dmesg are other good ones to look through
[17:37] <Downix> ajmoulen: I worked for a PPC mobo maker, got to see the Cell before release.  I know the differences, and most PPC OS's and apps need a compatibility layer to run on them.
[17:37] <ajmoulen> Downix: um...no comment
[17:38] <Downix> ajmoulen: that being said, it's about the same difficulty as making m68k apps run on Coldfire, a custom made OS kernel can handle trapping errant code.
[17:39] <ajmoulen> Downix: note where I am logged in from, I really can't get into that discussion
[17:39] <Downix> ajmoulen: Understood.  We all have limits due to day jobs.  If we got to discussing magazines I'd have to be silent as well
[17:40] <Downix> and if it was my old job with the PPC maker, I'd have to be silent about CPU's too.
[17:40] <Downix> so let's discuss Kubuntu!
[17:40] <Downix> ok, disabling fb fixed both the CLI *AND* X's issues
[17:40] <ajmoulen> kubuntu and I don't get along ;-)
[17:40] <Downix> wth?!?
[17:40] <ajmoulen> but I do run kde on ubuntu
[17:41] <ajmoulen> I still haven't figure out why it didn't work, something odd happened and things like my logout buttons were all missing
[17:41] <Downix> Well, I don't technically run kubuntu, I run server Ubuntu w/ KDE on it.  SPARC ftw
[17:41] <ajmoulen> I went and installed almost all the kubuntu packages on ubunu and it is happy
[17:41] <Downix> ajmoulen: sounds similar to my issues.
[17:41] <mkz> ok, looking at message.log and kern.log.  Both show last entries from about 10 minutes ago, around the time of the lock up.  I've also checked dmesg and syslog.  Here are the tail of these files (in case you can see something I can't): http://rafb.net/p/1CaRI565.html  It looks to me as though it might have something to do with networking, but I might be reading this wrong.
[17:41] <ajmoulen> I did this install 3 times on kubuntu and each time I got odd failures
[17:42] <Downix> ajmoulen: *nods*  the server ubuntu w/ kubuntu packages added to it worked for me.  Was a real treat as I netboot-installed it
[17:42] <ajmoulen> mkz: what type of wireless device are you using?
[17:43] <mkz> ajmoulen: err... none.  This machine might have a wireless adapter, but I'm not aware of it and I'm not using it.
[17:43] <ajmoulen> never mind you are using an intel card
[17:43] <ajmoulen> not wireless
[17:44] <mkz> what's that hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read method instead message mean?
[17:44] <ajmoulen> intel wired cards have been problems in the past, but I thought the e1000 driver had finally been fixed
[17:44] <ajmoulen> High Definition Audio I believe is what hda-intel is
[17:45] <mkz> I see I have IPv6 bound to the card, which is unnecessary for my needs.  Might unbinding IPv6 help? though that seems more like a stab in the dark...
[17:45] <ajmoulen> does network manager support PPP?
[17:46] <mkz> I also don't have a bluetooth transeiver (to the best of my knowledge) but I can see that bluetooth support is enabled.  Though it may not solve this lock-up issue, is it prudent to remove bluetooth support?
[17:46] <mkz> s/transeiver/transieve
[17:46] <mkz> s/transeiver/transiever
[17:46] <ajmoulen>  mkz it shoudln't really matter
[17:47] <mkz> ok
[17:47] <ajmoulen> it looks like you may be having problems with the hda-intel module, you could try disabling sound support
[17:47] <mkz> so, IPv6 and bluetooth aren't likely suspects.
[17:47] <ajmoulen> but that is only a guess based on it showing up right at the end of your log
[17:48] <ajmoulen> the hda-intel module has been known to have issues in the past
[17:48] <mkz> a best guess is all I can expect right now.  I wouldn't even bother if this was a once-in-a-blue-moon event, but it's something that happens nearly once per day.  I don't like to have an unstable machine (it's why I ditched windows in the first place) and I definitely do not intend to return to using windows.
[17:49] <mkz> ok, what is the best/easiest method for removing hda support?
[17:49] <mkz> s/hda/hda-intel
[17:50] <ajmoulen> well the easiest method isn't the best method, you could move the module to your home directory and reboot
[17:50] <mkz> heh... ok... what's the best method?
[17:50] <ajmoulen> honestly on ubuntu no idea, on gentoo I would stop alsasound from loading
[17:50] <mkz> the module being snd-hda-intel.ko
[17:51] <ajmoulen> mkz: yes
[17:51] <tomas__> Hello
[17:51] <mkz> I would imagine that if the module is missing it can't be loaded and thus should simply generate an error during boot but should not impede any other functionality (save audio, which is not critical on this platform), yes?
[17:51] <ajmoulen> I have only been using ubuntu for about 3 months, so my experience in workarounds is a little short
[17:52] <ajmoulen> mkz: that is correct, it should just turn off sound support
[17:52] <ajmoulen> you will get errors on login that you have no sound
[17:53] <ni1s> Is ot possible to setup SW RAID using the regular installer CD now a days? or is it still only possible with the alternative CD?
[17:53] <mkz> i'm reading the man for asoundconf to see if there is something I can set here.
[17:54] <ajmoulen> I think that it would have to be something in the hardware detection in ubuntu as it automatically finds and loads modules for hardware
[17:54] <mkz> ni1s: are you referring to sw-raid as provided by linux or as provided by data motherboards that claim raid?
[17:54] <cloakable> Linux
[17:54] <cloakable> I presume
[17:54] <ajmoulen> although it apparently doesn't like my bluetooth device since it stopped paying attention to it
[17:54] <ni1s> linux sw raid
[17:54] <ni1s> not "hardware fake raid"
[17:54] <Downix> you want irony, Kubuntu handles my sons sound card when windows doesn't.  The manu was bought my CL years ago, and the drivers don't exist for XP or Vista
[17:54] <cloakable> Heh
[17:54] <mkz> ni1s: I can't swear by it, but I know feisty requires alternate cd.  Not sure about gutsy
[17:55] <ajmoulen> I think gutsy still required alt-cd
[17:55] <ajmoulen> but it is supposed to be in the regular cd for the April release
[17:55]  * mkz installs from alt cd
[17:55] <ajmoulen> along with encrypted lvm
[17:56] <ajmoulen> at least that is what I heard the plan was, plans change
[17:56] <ni1s> coolio, I'll try the alt cd
[17:58] <Downix> it's an old Aureal card that uses a CM chipset
[18:00] <mkz> ok, well, thanks for the clues Downix and ajmoulen.  I can't say for sure I have a fix, but at least I have a few more places to look.  I will also try to ssh into this box the next time it hangs.
[18:00] <Downix> and it even supports the full 6-channel surround that Windows could never get working right
[18:02] <Downix> I'm about to buy a cable to run my TV-out to my main TV and use my computer as my DVD player as a result
[18:02] <Downix> better sound than my DVD player ever had
[18:02] <Downix> 8)
[18:03] <ScorpKing> Downix: that will be fun. hehe
[18:03] <Downix> ScorpKing: eventually I'll buy an EKiFA and use that as a remote "target" machine
[18:04] <ScorpKing> hmm.. nice
[18:05] <Downix> providing anyone knows what an EKIFA is
[18:06] <ScorpKing> google will tell. ;)
[18:07] <bEbeShoChKa> what`s up all
[18:07] <Downix> nada
[18:08] <Downix> ScorpKing: I used to work for the company that makes them, so trying to convince the old boss to give me a discount.  8)
[18:08] <ni1s> downloading the kubuntu alt cd
[18:08] <nick_> Hi, can someone tell me how to release and renew your ip address from the command line?
[18:10] <ajmoulen> are you using network manager?
[18:10] <nick_> Yes
[18:11] <ajmoulen> not sure you can manually do it from command line without messing up network manager but you can try dhclient -r
[18:11] <ajmoulen> followed by the interface name
[18:11] <ni1s> nick_, sudo dhcpcd -k
[18:11] <ajmoulen> then dhclient <interface> and it should get a new lease
[18:11] <ajmoulen> network manager doesn't use dhcpcd
[18:12] <ajmoulen> it uses dhcbd
[18:12] <ajmoulen> and dhclient
[18:12] <ni1s> then I don't know
[18:13] <nick_> Hmm, said permission denied
[18:13] <ajmoulen> did you sudo?
[18:13] <ajmoulen> sudo dhclient -r eth0 (or whatever interface)
[18:13] <ajmoulen> sudo dhclient eth0
[18:14] <ni1s> nick_, can't you disable the interface and then just start it again in the network manager?
[18:15] <nick_> ni1s: Yes, I guess...I'm in a dorm and I was trying to force the router downstairs to give me another IP
[18:16] <ScorpKing> sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[18:16] <ajmoulen> well you can also do /etc/init.d/networking restart right?
[18:17] <ScorpKing> yes
[18:24] <ehird`> when kde opens
[18:24] <ehird`> my old konsole and kate from last time start up
[18:25] <ehird`> but white-washed screen [button areas are kind of gray]
[18:25] <ehird`> then it freezes
[18:25] <ehird`> i can move the cursor etc but the loading trail does not follow and nothing responds
[18:25] <ehird`> i need to hard reboot.
[18:25] <ajmoulen> using compiz?
[18:27] <ehird`> ajmoulen: nope
[18:28] <Merkosus> hello, I've got a problem:
[18:28] <Merkosus> I'm behind an HTTP-proxy. HTTP works perfectly (at least in the browser), IRC also (as you can see). But I can't renew the apt-lists. The error-output tells me, that apt-get couldn't connect to the server. Trying to install the MP3-support for Amarok fails therefore (The message box shows a succesful installation and that I shall restart Amarok, but after that, the MP3-support isn't installed).
[18:33] <ehird`> ajmoulen: weird isn't it
[18:33] <Merkosus> Is it possible, that apt-get ignores the proxy-settings of the system?
[18:34] <ajmoulen> ehird`: it is, not sure why it isn't working
[18:41] <alen> does any now how to msn work on kopete ?
[18:41] <alen> i use 7.10
[18:42] <boguh> Merkosus i think proxy settings are stored in a variable, so just set it to blank. but i dont know the name of that  variable
[18:45] <Merkosus> do you know, in which config-file that variable might be in?
[18:46] <boguh> bash variable
[18:46] <boguh> echo $http_proxy or something like that
[18:46] <Merkosus> ah, okay. thank you
[18:47] <mjbrooks> is xgl installed by default on gutsy?
[18:47] <yogi> #join post
[18:50] <thefuzzball> I have a serious problem caused by GPartEd, is there a server/channel where someone can help me?
[18:52] <ajmoulen> mjbrooks: no
[18:53] <ajmoulen> thefuzzball: did you lose partitions and were you resizing?
[18:54] <ajmoulen> and generally I would say that the ubuntu channel would be a good source if this was an install issue but not sure
[18:54] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: some of us use it. please explain the problem.
[18:55] <mjbrooks> For some reason compiz is drawing something other than my background around my windows now :/ and it seems everyone in #compiz is sleeping
[18:56] <ardchoille> mjbrooks: #compiz-fusion ?
[18:56] <tuxinator> mjbrooks: hmm, tried #bery or #compiz-fusion ?
[18:56] <mjbrooks> ah,  my bad  thanks
[18:56] <tuxinator> mjbrooks: i mean't #beryl
[18:56] <Darkrift411> Question
[18:56] <ScorpKing> !ask
[18:56] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[18:57] <Darkrift411> when my internet goes down (even for a second), I have to reboot to make it work again, but windows picks it up automatically
[18:57] <Darkrift411> what can i do/type instead of rebooting to make it re-recognize the connection
[18:57] <Darkrift411> and i wasnt asking if i could ask
[18:57] <sfire_> Darkrift411: do you have a router?
[18:57] <Darkrift411> yes
[18:57] <sfire_> Darkrift411: setup your machine with a static IP
[18:57] <sfire_> that will cure the problems
[18:57] <Darkrift411> there is no other way?
[18:57] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing, I had an empty space behind a partition and wanted to add it to the partition in front and it crashed
[18:58] <sfire_> Darkrift411: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
[18:58] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: is the first partition still there?
[18:58] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: it's unknown
[18:59] <sfire_> Darkrift411: some routers (like mine) allow for something called Static DHCP
[18:59] <Darkrift411> i c
[18:59] <BluesKaj> uhm, usually the router software assigns a stsic ip to all pc's behind the router ...the router needs to reagin the connection in his case not the pc
[18:59] <sfire_> Darkrift411: see if yours supports that.. it makes using a static IP easy.. its all automatic right from DHCP
[18:59] <Darkrift411> i know windows doesnt even notice the downtime, it reconnects and the apps never notice (they show lag, bu tnot a disconnect)
[18:59] <Darkrift411> i figured linux should be able to do something simmilar
[19:00] <ScorpKing> ouch. try sudo cfdisk /dev/<your disk> and see it it shows up. maybe you can set it there.
[19:00] <ScorpKing> if*
[19:01] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: It's pretty screwed
[19:01] <sfire_> Darkrift411: the bigger question is why are you getting disconnected
[19:01] <sfire_> Darkrift411: are you using wireless?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> Darkrift411, check your knetwork manager , usually it's something like 192.168.1.1
[19:02] <Darkrift411> sometimes its an isp hiccup
[19:02] <Darkrift411> sometimes my kids bump my modem (its in thier room behind the dresser)
[19:02] <sfire_> Darkrift411: ISP hiccup isn't inside the LAN
[19:02] <sfire_> should have 0 effect
[19:02] <Darkrift411> see, the wifi connection never dies
[19:02] <Darkrift411> its just the modem > router that dies
[19:02] <sfire_> then you have a bad cable
[19:02] <Darkrift411> which is odd
[19:03] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: It says: sda4                    Primary   Linux                            17503.40
[19:03] <BluesKaj> usually the router will absorb the hiccup and keep your systen on line ,, sort of a buffer
[19:03] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: it should say Linux ext3
[19:03] <Darkrift411> no, not bad cable, its got a sleep button on top that if barely pressed, causes a very short outage (half a second)
[19:03] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: what does sudo fdisk -l /dev/<disk> say? copy the output to pastebin
[19:03] <sfire_> Darkrift411: disable the sleep button
[19:03] <Darkrift411> there is no options, and i tried taping something over it
[19:04] <Darkrift411> but the point is
[19:04] <ehird`> anyone?
[19:04] <Darkrift411> the router > computer connection never goes down
[19:04] <Darkrift411> but i still have to reboot to get it working
[19:04] <Darkrift411> which is odd
[19:04] <BluesKaj> Darkrift411, is it really an router or just a DSL modem ?
[19:04] <Darkrift411> motorola modem, netgear router
[19:04] <sfire_> bad cables.. gotta be
[19:04] <Darkrift411> i know my way around a network, ive checked the router itsself
[19:04] <Darkrift411> im telling you
[19:04] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: http://pastebin.com/d139f2186
[19:04] <Darkrift411> the cables are NOT the issue
[19:05] <Darkrift411> the issue is somewhere in linux
[19:05] <BluesKaj> why the modem then , whynot just use the netgear router ?
[19:05] <Darkrift411> erm.....
[19:05] <Darkrift411> without a modem...... no internet?
[19:05] <ScorpKing> Darkrift411: don't use knetworkmanager. close it and configure it from cli
[19:05] <sfire_> so what is this "sleep" button on.. the modem?
[19:05] <Darkrift411> knetworkmanager isnt running, just kwifimanager
[19:06] <Darkrift411> yes
[19:06] <Darkrift411> its on top of the modem (bad spot for it)
[19:06] <BluesKaj> routers are modems (usually)
[19:06] <Darkrift411> no
[19:06] <sfire_> BluesKaj: only shitty ones
[19:06] <sfire_> oops.. language.. sorry
[19:06] <Darkrift411> modems sometimes have routers built in, but rougters are not useually modems
[19:06] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: run sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda , not sda4
[19:07] <BluesKaj> interesting , my speesdstrem router is shitty cuz it has a modem ?
[19:07] <sfire_> Darkrift411: well if you disconnect the modem the LAN is still working.. which means you shouldn't lose your ethernet connection
[19:07] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: http://pastebin.com/d79526f8b
[19:07] <sfire_> BluesKaj: yes
[19:07] <Darkrift411> exactly
[19:07] <sfire_> speedstream = junk
[19:07] <Darkrift411> but it does
[19:07] <Darkrift411> and the odd part, like i said, is that windows handles the same situation completely different
[19:07] <sfire_> and it does
[19:07] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: is there data on sda4?
[19:08] <Darkrift411> windows shows the connection lost in task bar, and then connection found, and the program (xchat, wow, etc) just have lag, but never disconnect
[19:08] <sfire_> windows keeps tabs on the connection.. and when a connection is pulled then restored it does its DHCP thing again
[19:08] <sfire_> the easiest way around all this is a static IP
[19:08] <BluesKaj> oh really, why doe sit work so well in linux then , no probs whatsoever ...wow , must be real experts on speedstream equipment here
[19:08] <Darkrift411> where as linux, everything stops working, adn i have to reboot to get it working
[19:08] <Darkrift411> even disconnecting fromteh wifi, and reconnecting doesnt work
[19:08] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: yes, It's my root partition
[19:08] <ScorpKing> Darkrift411: look for a keepalive setting on the router
[19:09] <Darkrift411> i even tried connecting to a different router, and then back to mine, but no internet till i reboot
[19:09] <Darkrift411> k
[19:09] <Darkrift411> ill check it
[19:09] <sfire_> Darkrift411: ifdown and ifup will do it
[19:09] <sfire_> (without a restart)
[19:09] <Darkrift411> k
[19:09] <sfire_> but a static IP will totally fix the problem
[19:09] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: can you run mout and give me the output?
[19:09] <ardchoille> *mount
[19:09]  * ScorpKing agrees with sfire_
[19:09] <ScorpKing> mount* yes.
[19:09] <ScorpKing> ty ardchoille
[19:10] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: np, I don't think the output of "mout" will be helpful to you :)
[19:10] <ScorpKing> yeah, true ;)
[19:11] <ehird`> Surely this is simple
[19:11] <ehird`> :|
[19:11] <BluesKaj> sfire have you ever used a speedstream router ...I just have to ask cuz you called it junk
[19:11] <sfire_> yep
[19:11] <sfire_> totally awful equipment
[19:12] <BluesKaj> what was your prob with it
[19:12] <sfire_> well.. the fact that it went down whenever I pushed too many connections through it
[19:12] <sfire_> the firmware is buggy beyond description
[19:12] <sfire_> the wireless barely worked
[19:12] <BluesKaj> 4 on mine , using  2
[19:12] <ScorpKing> ehird`: what is wrong?
[19:13] <ardchoille> You didn't buy it from "modumz R us" did you?
[19:13] <ehird`> when kde opens
[19:13] <ehird`> my old konsole and kate from last time start up
[19:13] <BluesKaj> seimens speedstream 6300
[19:13] <ehird`> but white-washed screen [button areas are kind of gray]
[19:13] <sfire_> BluesKaj: I don't use a network like most people... I use utorrent a lot
[19:13] <ehird`> then it freezes
[19:13] <ehird`> i can move the cursor etc but the loading trail does not follow and nothing responds
[19:13] <sfire_> utorrent opens many many connections
[19:13] <ehird`> i need to hard reboot.
[19:13] <sfire_> the speedstreams puke every time
[19:13] <sfire_> over 200 connections they just die
[19:13] <ScorpKing> ehird`: create a new user and see if it helps
[19:13] <ehird`> ScorpKing: hmm, not sure it would
[19:13] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[19:14] <ehird`> + i've got tons of stuff on that user
[19:14] <BluesKaj> sfire_,strange , never happened with mine
[19:14] <sfire_> BluesKaj: but you are correct.. for grandma that speedstream is alright :)
[19:14] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: just type mount
[19:14] <BluesKaj> sfire_,have you checked out the 6300 ?
[19:14] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: I am on the LiveCD btw
[19:15] <sfire_> I won't buy any more equipment from them
[19:15] <sfire_> totally not interested
[19:15] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: oh ok. nvm mount then
[19:15] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: I can't mount my root partition
[19:15] <sfire_> BluesKaj: simply their routers are built for n00bs and totally lack the features I need
[19:15] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: can you start gparted from konsole and see if it gives any usefull errors?
[19:16] <BluesKaj> sfire_ ,  http://www.dealtime.com/xPF-Siemens-Siemens-SpeedStream-6300-Wireless-router-5-port-switch-DSL-EN-ATM-Fast-EN-802-11b-802-11g
[19:16] <sfire_> yay.. worthless wireless and a shitty router :)
[19:17] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: It doesn't load properly
[19:17] <sfire_> I'm tellin you.. once you get a "real" router you'll forget all about those
[19:17] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: I used the GPartEd LiveCD
[19:17] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: run sudo fsck -N /dev/sda
[19:18] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: I get [/sbin/fsck.ext2 (1) -- /dev/sda] fsck.ext2 /dev/sda
[19:18] <vbgunz> when I say hdparm /dev/sda i do not see any info about dma. how can I get it and how can I check the unmaskirq flag? I am playing with -i and -I but not sure if I am getting a really straight answer here...
[19:19] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: try sudo fsck -N /dev/sda4
[19:19] <BluesKaj> interesting...that routers been working on our sustem for 4 yrs without any problems  been using ktorrent utorrent ,amule emaule, frostwire , youname it ...no probs ... however you obviously have made up your mind so i won't persue it any further :)
[19:19] <_Shade_> hi
[19:19] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: [/sbin/fsck.ext2 (1) -- /dev/sda4] fsck.ext2 /dev/sda4
[19:19] <sfire_> BluesKaj: for 1 I couldn't use that router.. lacks features I need.. For 2 the wireless is so deaf that I REALLY couldn't use it
[19:19] <_Shade_> is there any kde app that allows to pick a color from a screen?
[19:20] <sfire_> BluesKaj: they put 5 dollar wireless chipsets in those
[19:20] <BluesKaj> sfire_ , explain deaf ?
[19:20] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: this suck. i'm too scared if you run fsch on it it migh stuff up things but it might also fix it.
[19:20] <ScorpKing> fschk*
[19:20] <sfire_> BluesKaj: deaf in wireless means that it cannot pickup a weak signal like a "good" chipset
[19:20] <BluesKaj> i don't use wireless anyway , always preferred wired
[19:20] <sfire_> they are not all created equal
[19:21] <andreas_> How do i install drivers my soundcard? Where can i find them?
[19:21] <sfire_> the difference between cheap wireless and good wireless is about 3 times the range
[19:21] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: fschk isn't found
[19:21] <ScorpKing> fsck* sorry
[19:21] <onur_> is this the right place to ask how to uninstall Kubuntu installed over Ubuntu?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> it seems wireless sucks on most routers , from the probs I've seen here in the channel
[19:22] <sfire_> BluesKaj: yea 5 dollar wireless does that
[19:22] <ScorpKing> onur_: sudo apti-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[19:22] <ScorpKing> apt-get*
[19:22] <ScorpKing> bah
[19:22] <onur_> ScorpKing: i did that!!! nothing has changed
[19:23] <onur_> and i cannot redo it because it says: kubuntu-desktop cannot be uninstalled because it is not installed!!
[19:23] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: I think my root partition is in between it's oly partition and the empty one it was murging with
[19:23] <stdin> onur_: try "sudo apt-get autoremove" then
[19:23] <onur_> i did autoremove already, dude :D
[19:23] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: My brother has fixed this before, but I have no clue
[19:23] <BluesKaj> andreas_, sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[19:24] <andreas_> BluesKaj: How do i find the name of my card?
[19:24] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: i'm not sure what fsck /dev/sda4 will do. it might work and might not
[19:24] <ehird`> ScorpKing: I really don't want to lose the user
[19:24] <ehird`> ScorpKing: Can I like reset its KDE stuff while keeping ~/?
[19:24] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: already did it
[19:24] <BluesKaj> andresj, cat /proc/asound/cards
[19:24] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: it didnt do much
[19:25] <ScorpKing> ehird`: just create a new one. don't delete the old one and see if it works.
[19:25] <BluesKaj> andreas_ , cat /proc/asound/cards
[19:26] <BluesKaj> andreas_, or this : lspci | grep audio
[19:26] <ehird`> ScorpKing: OK, and suppose it does... what would I do?
[19:26] <andreas_> BluesKaj: Thx
[19:26] <ScorpKing> thefuzzball: i think ask your brother. the rest is too risky and i don't have a lot of experiance with linux partitions
[19:26] <BluesKaj> andreas_, NP :)
[19:26] <ScorpKing> ehird`: copy all the stuff from the olde user over.
[19:27] <ehird`> ScorpKing: yow
[19:27] <ehird`> :|
[19:27] <andreas_> BluesKaj: when i did lspci | grep audio nothing happend
[19:27] <thefuzzball> ScorpKing: thanks anyway
[19:27] <ehird`> ScorpKing: do i reeeeallly have to? i've got loads of stuff set up for that user (not just ~/)
[19:27] <BluesKaj> andreas_, did you try , cat /proc/asound/cards in the Konsole ?
[19:27] <andreas_> no
[19:28] <ScorpKing> ehird`: when you find the problem share it with us.
[19:28] <ehird`> ScorpKing: ok.
[19:28] <andreas_> BluesKaj: --no soundcards--
[19:28] <BluesKaj> andreas_, all the commands i gave you are done in the konsole
[19:29] <andreas_> BluesKaj: I know:p
[19:29] <ehird`> ScorpKing: what adduser script of choice does kubuntu use? useradd?
[19:29] <ScorpKing> ehird`: you can delete ~/.kde* but all your mail, bookmarks and stuff is in there. type mv .kde .kdeold and see if it helps
[19:30] <ehird`> hmm
[19:30] <ehird`> what is 'stuff'
[19:30] <ehird`> I use firefox so bookmarks is no prob
[19:30] <andreas_> BluesKaj: --no soundcards--
[19:30] <ScorpKing> ehird`: if something goes missing you can go look in .kdeold for it.
[19:30] <ehird`> ScorpKing: I'll do that in recovery mode then
[19:31] <ScorpKing> no need
[19:31] <vit_____> fddssdf
[19:31] <ScorpKing> log out and go to tty1
[19:31] <BluesKaj> andreas_, try" lspci "and look for some thing like "audio controller"
[19:31] <ScorpKing> vit_____: don't do that.
[19:31] <vit_____> fgfasggas
[19:31] <vit_____> what
[19:32] <vit_____> hi
[19:34] <andreas_> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
[19:34] <andreas_>  (rev 02)
[19:35] <andreas_> BluesKaj: now what?:p
[19:37] <BluesKaj> andreas_, sudo asoundconf set-default-card "Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller"
[19:39] <andreas_> BluesKaj: Got this message: Please note that you are attempting to run asoundconf as a privileged superuser, which may have unintended consequences.
[19:41] <ScorpKing> what is the command to start Add & Remove Programs from cli?
[19:41] <BluesKaj> andreas_, are there any other users on your machine?
[19:41] <emilsedgh> ScorpKing: apt-get ?
[19:41] <andreas_> nope
[19:41] <bnebb> I have a question for someone smarter than I am.  I just installed Kubuntu on this PC.  I am not able to invoke administrator mode.  Kubuntu works fine on another PC.  Any suggestions?
[19:42] <ardchoille> !sudo
[19:42] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[19:42] <BluesKaj> andreas_,then go ahead
[19:42] <ardchoille> bnebb: Does sudo not work?
[19:42] <ajmoulen> bnebb: what do you mean?
[19:42] <ScorpKing> emilsedgh: no. i don't have it in my kbfx menu and want to start it to see what is available
[19:42] <bnebb> sudo does work in a terminal window.  It is the administrator mode in system settings which will not work.
[19:42] <ajmoulen> bnebb: did you install the update to kdesudo?
[19:43] <ardchoille> bnebb: It should ask you for the password, which means your user password.
[19:43] <bnebb> didn't know there was one.
[19:43] <stdin> ScorpKing: kdesu adept_manager
[19:43] <bnebb> ok, I'll try that first.  we'll see what happens.  Thanks.
[19:43] <emilsedgh> hey stdin, are you busy these days? not hanging much here
[19:44] <ScorpKing> stdin: that's not the one i'm looking for. nvm, i'll open kmenu again
[19:44] <stdin> emilsedgh: I'm playing with Qt these days
[19:44] <andreas_> BluesKaj: How do i do that?  Dont get any options.
[19:45] <stdin> ScorpKing: the "Add/Remove Programs" is "kdesu adept_installer"
[19:45] <BluesKaj> will some pls explain kdesudo...can one use in place of kdesu and sudo ?
[19:45] <ScorpKing> stdin: oh ok. thanks
[19:45] <emilsedgh> stdin: nice, so keep going!
[19:45] <sea4ever> erhm
[19:45] <sea4ever> How do I configure this "Shorewall" thing?
[19:46] <ScorpKing> ah. got it. :D
[19:46] <stdin> BluesKaj: kdesudo is a GUI that calls the command sudo, (kdesu uses su) but it provides the same functions as kdesu (as sudo can do everything su can)
[19:46] <ajmoulen> I thought kdesudo replaced kdesu so that it used sudo rather than su
[19:47] <ajmoulen> so that when you type kdesu it really is calling kdesudo
[19:47] <stdin> it is
[19:47] <stdin> kdesu is still installed tho, as kdesu.distrib
[19:47] <ajmoulen> good then i am only half as crazy as I thought I was ;-)
[19:47] <BluesKaj> I use kdesu in the run command a sudo in the shell ...I don't see the point of kdesudo :)
[19:47] <ajmoulen> BluesKaj: you are using kdesudo
[19:48] <stdin> BluesKaj: kdesudo sets up the environment to use sudo in a GUI safely
[19:48] <ScorpKing> kdesu is linked to kdesudo
[19:48] <stdin> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2007-11-01 21:05 /usr/bin/kdesu -> kdesudo
[19:48] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: using sudo with a gui app can change the permissions of files in your $HOME to root
[19:48] <BluesKaj> ok, stdin, that's the answer i was loking for
[19:49] <ScorpKing> kdesudo is a better and improved kdesu
[19:49] <stdin> or, it will be once the bugs are worked out ;)
[19:50] <ScorpKing> ;) yep
[19:50] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, yes I'm aware of the permiisions probs with sudo in guis so I just assumed kdesu was the proper command for the run box ... "shrug"
[19:50] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: I always thought kdesu was the proper command for the Run dialog too
[19:50] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: kdesudo was meant to replace kdesu because of some bug in kdesu, i thought
[19:51] <BluesKaj> I'll stick to what worked before and still works
[19:51] <BluesKaj> :)
[19:51] <WaltzingAlong> kdesu/kdesudo GIUapp (altf2 or konsole) or sudo CLIapp
[19:51] <bnebb> OK.  I've check kdesudo.  Latest version installed.  Problem here is: right click on the time.  Select change time.  No action.  Try to change time from the system settings panel.  Try to access administrator mode to change time.  Does not ask for password and does not grant administrator access.
[19:51] <stdin> kdesu is kdesudo, and kdesudo is kdesu (on kubuntu boxes)
[19:51] <_Shade_> i'd like to install a program from svn... is there a possibility to use apt to install all dependant packages for it?
[19:52] <ardchoille> bnebb: does using sudo work in a terminal?
[19:52] <bnebb> ardchoille, yes it does.
[19:52] <stdin> _Shade_: no, not unless it's already in the repositories
[19:52] <WaltzingAlong> _Shade_: if you built the correct .deb for it ... but otherwise there would be a list of things needed and those available in the repos you could install through apt/deb
[19:52] <ehird`> does anyone else hate Kate :|
[19:52] <BluesKaj> andreas_, hit the enter key after that 'permissions' message
[19:52] <ardchoille> bnebb: Sounds like maybe "kdesudo" process is still running in the background
[19:53] <ni1s> Well that didn't work :(
[19:53] <bnebb> ardchoille: any way to stop it?  I've tried rebooting.
[19:53] <_Shade_> oh that's too bad... i wanted to install inkscape-svn because i need it's specific features but compiling it gives some pain
[19:53] <ardchoille> bnebb: Oh, well if you've tried rebooting, then that isn't the problem.
[19:53] <BluesKaj> svn is still an enigma to me ...guess I'm just too thick headed to understand what it does :)
[19:53] <ni1s> Anyone got Linux SW RAID working from the ALT install cd, and then to have it boot up properly
[19:54] <andreas_> BluesKaj: Cant. then i am at  ~
[19:54] <ardchoille> ehird`: Och! Nae, I love kate
[19:54] <Downix> Hmm, I wonder if it would be possible to make a Kubuntu for SPARC32, as most of the apps run in 32-bit land anyways
[19:54] <stdin> _Shade_: inkscape is in the repositories, so you can use apt
[19:54] <ardchoille> Oops, sorry for the foreign language there
[19:54] <stdin> _Shade_: sudo apt-get build-dep inkscape
[19:55] <_Shade_> stdin: yes indeed but it's 0.45.1
[19:55] <ehird`> ardchoille: Kate lacks a file tree plugin :|
[19:55] <stdin> _Shade_: I didn't say the version you wanted has to be there, just _a_ version of it
[19:55] <ehird`> (directory tree, that is)
[19:55] <stdin> _Shade_: the build dependencies probably haven't changed much, so you can use apt to get them
[19:56] <BluesKaj> I've got svn folders all over my /home/user/, but I tried to install kde4 ,but it says: CMake Error: The source directory "/home/user" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
[19:56] <_Shade_> stdin: i just meant the trick you provided... the point is i didn't know how to name it :)
[19:56] <ni1s> All my hdbN has vansihed, I got hda1,2,3 and a hdb, but not the partitions on hdb(those should be 1,2,3)
[19:57] <BluesKaj> ok andreas_ now do this : k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[20:00] <_Shade_> Could not read chunk delimiter: Secure connection truncated (https://inkscape.svn.sourceforge.net
[20:00] <_Shade_> what's wrong with it?
[20:00] <ehird`> anyone know how to get file trees in kate?
[20:00] <ehird`> (and tabs)
[20:00] <ehird`> that might make it usable
[20:04] <ajmoulen> ehird`: in the plugins
[20:05] <ajmoulen> there is the tab bar extension, not sure if that is what you mean
[20:05] <ehird`> No plugs here ajmoulen
[20:05] <ehird`> the list is empty
[20:05] <ajmoulen> really?
[20:05] <ajmoulen> then install them ;-)
[20:06] <ajmoulen> kate-plugins
[20:06] <ajmoulen> is the package in case you are looking
[20:06] <compilerwriter> Ladies and Gentlemen anyone currently running virtualbox know How I can get seamless mode up and running in Gutsy?
[20:07] <ehird`> Ladies and Gentlemen /me starts all his messages with 'Ladies and Gentlemen' from now on
[20:07] <ni1s> gah!
[20:07] <disr> Hello!
[20:07] <ajmoulen> I use vmware server so I am sure I am not helpful
[20:08] <ajmoulen> disr: that is just too chipper for this time of day
[20:08] <disr> I know
[20:08] <disr> but i have pressing problem
[20:08] <ajmoulen> who is it pressing?
[20:08] <disr> I have this 4.3 gb file
[20:09] <disr> in my hard drive
[20:09] <compilerwriter> amjoulen will vmware server run XP?
[20:09] <ajmoulen> and you want to move it don't you? and all you have is an external drive with vfat?
[20:09] <disr> i can't get it out of hard drive and transfer it to another desktop
[20:09] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: yes, I run Windows XP Pro and several other ubuntu children on my vmware-server
[20:10] <disr> what software can i use to move it / sync it
[20:10] <ajmoulen> disr: sync?
[20:10] <disr> to another desktop
[20:10] <ajmoulen> disr: you just want to move a copy?
[20:10] <disr> yes
[20:10] <ajmoulen> you likely won't be able to keep the file in sync
[20:10] <disr> anything
[20:10] <miguel_> hola
[20:11] <ajmoulen> since a file that large is likely a binary file and would require moving the whole thing again unless you had special software
[20:11] <ajmoulen> well you can move it via rsync or ssh, but I would suggest considering ftp as much as I hate to say it
[20:11] <ajmoulen> because you will likely want resumable copy
[20:11] <disr> windows has intellimover
[20:11] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen Do you have time to help me get vmware server set up.  I really need to run Quicken and Quickbooks badly.  Heaven knows I have tried, but I just haven't found OS software that works as well as they do.
[20:12] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: I feel your pain man
[20:12] <disr> i have usb cable
[20:12] <ehird`> how do i get Kate to remember my toolbar layout
[20:12] <ehird`> :|
[20:12] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: download vmware server from vmware, make sure it is 1.0.4 (the current version)
[20:12] <ajmoulen> get a license key
[20:12] <disr> connecting both ends
[20:12] <ajmoulen> run the installer as instructed from vmware.
[20:12] <ajmoulen> then download the server console and install that as instructed
[20:12] <ajmoulen> there is nothing special to do
[20:12] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen It is those two software titles alone that keeps me from making a total conversion.
[20:13] <ajmoulen> gutsy does not have vmware in the repository yet so using the ubuntu process won't work
[20:13] <jhutchins> !info vmware
[20:13] <ardchoille> !vmware
[20:13] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: no biggy, I use quicken on my vmware-server setup
[20:13] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen how much does a licence key cost?
[20:13] <ubotu> Package vmware does not exist in gutsy
[20:13] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[20:13] <Wolven_Pariah_UK> amarok just quit on its own..it wont reopen again..
[20:13] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: vmware-server is free
[20:14] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: vmware-player, vmware-server -> free.  vmware-workstation, vmware-esx -> cost money
[20:14] <compilerwriter> cool.
[20:14] <ehird`> :|
[20:15] <ajmoulen> you want server so you can create a virtual machine, player can only run existing virtual machines, and is slower than server anyway
[20:15] <ajmoulen> disr: you don't have a network between the machines?
[20:15] <disr> no
[20:15] <ajmoulen> ah, well that complicates matters
[20:15] <disr> just usb cables connecting 2 machines
[20:16] <genii> attach dvd-r burn dvd etc
[20:16] <disr> windows has software called Intellimover
[20:16] <ajmoulen> never tried to do that in linux, I always can use my cross-over network cable
[20:16] <disr> like laptop to desktop
[20:17] <ajmoulen> yea I do that all the time, laptop to desktop via a crossover network cable plugged into the ethernet ports on each machine
[20:17] <jhutchins> No need for vmware to run quicken, it works fine under wine.
[20:17] <ajmoulen> jhutchins: it works 'ok' under wine
[20:17] <ajmoulen> if you do bank downloads it doesn't work reliably
[20:17] <disr> Oh i have that ethernet cable too
[20:17] <ajmoulen> I have had a crossover license and tried under wine for years
[20:18] <jhutchins> Yeah, downloads didn't work at first, but they've worked for several years now.
[20:18] <ajmoulen> and certain banks just don't behave under wine, so I do my sync up in vmware and then copy the data files to linux to view daily
[20:18] <ajmoulen> jhutchins: I tried just last week
[20:18] <jhutchins> "at first" being 5+ years ago.
[20:18] <ajmoulen> with a new copy of crossover office
[20:19] <ajmoulen> it still was failing for my bank but works fine under winxp
[20:19] <ajmoulen> not only that but there are still display anamolies in wine
[20:19] <disr> so ajmoulen what program can i sue?
[20:19] <disr> use?
[20:20] <disr> sorry
[20:20] <cloakable> lol
[20:20] <ehird`> ajmoulen: do you know?
[20:20] <ajmoulen> disr: if you setup a computer with a cross over cable, you will need to manually set the ips but once you have two ips you can just use ssh to copy the files
[20:20] <cloakable> disr: Are you SCO in disguise? ;)
[20:20] <ajmoulen> ehird`: sorry I missed your question
[20:20] <disr> sorry
[20:20] <ajmoulen> ehird`: no idea
[20:21] <disr> what's ssh, i don't know
[20:21] <ajmoulen> ehird`: I just knew it had tabs available, I don't like the kate tabs, i wish it just used the konqueror tabs or even the konsole tabs
[20:21] <andreas_> BluesKaj: It has been restarting the sound thing for 30 min now:S
[20:22] <ajmoulen> ehird`: you might want to consider quanta, it has a better tab setup and can generally edit the same file types with highlighting as kate
[20:22] <cloakable> !ssh | Ubotu is all knowing
[20:22] <ubotu> Ubotu is all knowing: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[20:22] <ajmoulen> I know it is designed as a web editor
[20:22] <disr> cloakable, terrible how i mistype
[20:23] <ajmoulen> disr: sorry to say, I think you are going to need more help that I can really walk you through on IRC, you would be better served grabbing a cheap home router with dhcp and actually networking your machines together
[20:24] <ehird`> You'd think KDE would have a decent minimal IDE-editor blend
[20:24] <ajmoulen> then just install ssh-server from the synaptic or adept installer
[20:24] <ehird`> (KDevelop does not count because it's big-liek-mammoth)
[20:24] <ajmoulen> ehird`: kate isn't horrible as far as development goes, but unfortunately it hasn't really adopted the KDE look completely
[20:24] <ajmoulen> I am hoping they fix it for kde 4
[20:24] <emilsedgh> openssh-server
[20:25] <disr> thanks but does krdc do anything
[20:25] <disr> remote desktop?
[20:25] <ajmoulen> remote desktop isn't likely to give you file copy capabilities
[20:25] <[ka]killer> ok im going to stab my monitor
[20:25] <emilsedgh> yes disr
[20:25] <[ka]killer> all the sudden the gamma is all screwy
[20:26] <ajmoulen> ehird`: I know what you mean, at least sort of
[20:26] <ajmoulen> I still use emacs for that sort of thing
[20:26] <ajmoulen> no tabs but i am used to pulling down buffers
[20:26] <disr> what about that krdc?
[20:27] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen I am about to uninstall virtualbox;  How will I then need to look at my hard drive to make sure I have reclaimed the space?
[20:27] <[ka]killer> i fix the gamma, then it some how changes again
[20:27] <disr> if i want to copy to WinXp can i do it with ssh?
[20:27] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: umm... you are way too used to the windows world
[20:28] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: generally when you uninstall it will remove the application files, it will not remove any personally created files
[20:28] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen Yes I am.  I am trying to recover from that.
[20:28] <[ka]killer> dont worry, a lot of us know where your coming from
[20:28] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen therefore it should have removed the windows partition it created.
[20:28] <ajmoulen> no
[20:28] <ajmoulen> that was a personally created file
[20:29] <[ka]killer> format the partition?
[20:29] <ajmoulen> so whatever directory you said to create your virtual machines you will need to go there and purge them
[20:29] <ajmoulen> disr: you will need something like winscp to do that
[20:29] <disr> what's that?
[20:29] <disr> what's winscp?
[20:29] <ajmoulen> install openssh-server on the ubuntu system and then do a google for winscp
[20:30] <ajmoulen> it is a free ssh file copy program for windows
[20:30] <[ka]killer> do you want to copy files to a windows box?
[20:30] <ajmoulen> really easy to use
[20:30] <disr> hey thanks ajmoulen
[20:30] <[ka]killer> i dont under stand disr's problem
[20:30] <disr> i'll try and come back if it doesn't work
[20:31] <BluesKaj> andreas_, just quit
[20:31] <[ka]killer> is he just trying to copy files to a windows box? or to a different partition of his hdd
[20:31] <ajmoulen> between two computers
[20:31] <mamefan> today my desktop icons are all gone but in their place I have the root file system (icons for /media, /home, /mnt, /opt, and so forth)  - this is with Hardy.  Is this to be expected?  Can I get back to my normal ~/Desktop
[20:31] <[ka]killer> then just share one drive
[20:31] <ajmoulen> that weren't even networked to each other
[20:31] <[ka]killer> o
[20:31] <ajmoulen> so we suggested he get them networked first
[20:31] <BluesKaj> andreas_, sorry was away doing errands for a while
[20:31] <[ka]killer> yah
[20:32] <ajmoulen> was going to try to do it via USB but I couldn't think of any way you could do that
[20:32] <[ka]killer> i have 2 drives in my brothers box i use for storage (well one for now, one is still ntfs and im not formatting it)
[20:32] <[ka]killer> usb memory stick?
[20:32] <ajmoulen> [ka]killer: 4.3G
[20:32] <ajmoulen> DVD sized
[20:32] <ajmoulen> little too big for most sticks, although I guess you can get 8G ones these days
[20:32] <[ka]killer> ive seen up to 16gb drives, and 8gb ones for not to much
[20:33] <ajmoulen> yea the 16G ones aren't generally very good
[20:33] <[ka]killer> i still have a 2gb =P and it works just fine
[20:33] <ajmoulen> the problem with sticks though is that they still have a 2G file limit
[20:33] <Creationist> I'm planning on installing Ubuntu 7.10 over my current Kubuntu 7.10.  However, what do I need to backup to retain all users/passwords/permissions that I currently have setup?
[20:33] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen is there a way to simply remove a directory regardless of whether it is empty or not?
[20:33] <[ka]killer> Creationist, just install the ubuntu-desktop
[20:33] <Creationist> compilerwriter: rm -r [directory]
[20:33] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: rm -rf directory_name
[20:33] <ajmoulen> be very careful
[20:34] <Creationist> [ka]killer: THat's not what I want to do.
[20:34] <ajmoulen> it will remove all files within that directory, you do it on the wrong directory and bad bad things happen
[20:34] <[ka]killer> Creationist, what exactily do you want to do that for then
[20:34] <Creationist> compilerwriter: And do use sudo with it
[20:34] <Creationist> :)
[20:34] <mamefan> Creationist:  are you simply trying to switch from KDE to GNOME?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> Creationist, uninstall kubuntu desktop and installgnome-desktop then , go to #ubuntu for advice afterwards :)
[20:35] <[ka]killer> mamefan, thats what i thought, thats why i sugested just installing the ubuntu-desktop and uninstalling kubuntu
[20:35] <mamefan> right.
[20:35] <Creationist> [ka]killer, mamefan: Not exactly.  I've been having a lot of problems with my video driver under KDE.  While I don't think this will necessarily fix it, I think Ubuntu seems to have a more robust support in general.
[20:35] <[ka]killer> what kind of video card?
[20:35] <Creationist> [ka]killer: nVidia Geforce 7600 GT.
[20:35] <[ka]killer> did you install the drivers?
[20:35] <mamefan> both Ubuntu and Kubuntu have the same fundamental support for video hardware as both use Xorg
[20:36] <ajmoulen> that is the second time today someone mentioned nviida 7600GT
[20:36]  * genii does modprobe usbnet 
[20:36] <Creationist> [ka]killer: Although I think it's more an issue with my monitor.  I install nvidia-glx-new just fine, but then my resolution gets distorted and can't be changed.
[20:36] <[ka]killer> the only real difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is one is gnome and the other kde
[20:36] <BluesKaj> the 7000 series has poor support in linux
[20:36] <darlos> hello all
[20:36] <[ka]killer> is the restricted device enabled?
[20:36] <ajmoulen> Creationist: if you have the diskspace add the ubuntu-desktop with kubuntu desktop
[20:36] <maduser> as does broadcom 48xxx
[20:36] <Creationist> [ka]killer: Not at the moment, but I've done that; that is what causes the problems.
[20:36] <ajmoulen> you should get an option to change to gdm
[20:36] <[ka]killer> humm
[20:37] <ajmoulen> login to gnome from your existing account, if you still have video problem then it isn't kde
[20:37] <mamefan> I'm using the 7600 and it's working great for me with the 100.14.19 drivers (not sure if these are what's in the repos but I'm using ones downloaded from NV.
[20:37] <[ka]killer> turning off the restriction fixed mine (not a 7000 card) with it restricted i had problems
[20:37] <mamefan> today my desktop icons are all gone but in their place I have the root file system (icons for /media, /home, /mnt, /opt, and so forth)  - this is with Hardy.  Is this to be expected?  Can I get back to my normal ~/Desktop
[20:37] <sule> someone gimme link to german chat pls?
[20:37] <BluesKaj> yup Creationist , why not keep kubuntu desktop and just add gnome-desktop ? :)
[20:37] <Creationist> [ka]killer: It's hard to explain the distortion.. when changing to my LCD's native resolution (1400x1050), it only uses about 75% of my monitor...
[20:37] <[ka]killer> humm
[20:37] <Creationist> BluesKaj: It's not that I want gnome... I prefer KDE.
[20:37] <genii> ajmoulen: Too bad he left, just found this: http://www.linux-usb.org/usbnet/ and the driver exists on feisty, i just tested it
[20:38] <[ka]killer> have you tried adjusting it on the monitor?
[20:38] <ajmoulen> I don't watch exits
[20:38] <ajmoulen> or joins
[20:38] <sule> someone gimme link to german chat pls?
[20:38] <BluesKaj> then it's adriver issue you need to solve
[20:38] <darlos> wher can i download games to kubuntu?
[20:38] <ajmoulen> clutters my windows
[20:38] <genii> !de
[20:38] <BluesKaj> !de
[20:38] <sule> !de
[20:38] <[ka]killer> darlos: search in adept for games =P
[20:38] <Creationist> [ka]killer: Yep... my monitor's control seem to think the size of itself has changed... can't extend it further ;)
[20:38] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[20:38] <[ka]killer> hum... yah sounds like a driver issue
[20:39] <[ka]killer> wait, does yoru monitor require a driver?
[20:39] <Creationist> [ka]killer: It works fine with the OS drivers, but of course I get no acceleration
[20:39] <ardchoille> Creationist: Which vid card do you have?
[20:39] <Creationist> ardchoille: Geforce 7600GT
[20:39] <darlos> kajkiller: thanks
[20:40] <ardchoille> !nvidia | Creationist
[20:40] <Creationist> [ka]killer: I don't think it does, as it works without the nvidia-glx-new drivers.
[20:40] <ubotu> Creationist: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[20:40] <BluesKaj> yes , monitor drivers are often overlooked when graphics probs arise ...ppl tend to focus on the card and forget the screen
[20:40] <[ka]killer> i know some LCD monitors require a driver to display at full size
[20:40] <BluesKaj> Creationist, what monitor ?
[20:41] <[ka]killer> the os driver might have compensated for this, but the NV driver does not
[20:41] <Creationist> [ka]killer: Well, my manufacturer (Westinghouse) isn't even listed in the Monitor dialogs
[20:41] <[ka]killer> humm...
[20:41] <Creationist> And I somehow doubt their website would offer a Linux driver.
[20:41] <BluesKaj> westinghouse ? ... wow
[20:41] <Creationist> BluesKaj: You've never heard of it either? ;)
[20:42] <BluesKaj> gotta be one of the biggies that made it for westinghouse .
[20:42] <genii> Creationist: Whats the make/model of your monitor?
[20:42] <[ka]killer> never heard of it either
[20:42] <genii> BluesKaj: Yeah what i'm thinking too
[20:42] <Creationist> genii: It's the 2046NV
[20:43] <genii> Creationist: I may be able to find the OEM of it, gimme a minute or so
[20:43] <BluesKaj> yes westinghouse is an old name in appliances and tv s etc from the 50,60s & 70s ..but LCD monitors ?
[20:43] <Creationist> BluesKaj: Yeah, it's a budget monitor, but fairly decent.
[20:44] <BluesKaj> well good , sounds like a little detective work is in order
[20:44] <[ka]killer> http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=104
[20:44] <BluesKaj> westinghouse model number?
[20:44] <Creationist> Now, is it normal for running glxinfo to give errors that the GLX extension was not found?
[20:45] <[ka]killer> L2046NV
[20:45] <Creationist> Yeah, that's my monitor.
[20:47] <slow-motion> hi
[20:47] <ajmoulen> anyone have an opinion on the results of upgrading from fiesty to gutsy are?  I have a server I have been considering moving up but am nervous I will kill it
[20:47] <[ka]killer> humm for a server, personally i would stick with fiesty for now
[20:48] <ajmoulen> I may just wait till the next LTS version comes out and convert to that and leave it there for a while
[20:48] <[ka]killer> gusty is giving me to many problems
[20:48] <ajmoulen> i have 3 gutsy servers, they seem okay
[20:48] <[ka]killer> if it works for you then upgrade =P
[20:48] <ajmoulen> but they are all virtual servers so probably not much to it
[20:48] <[ka]killer> xD
[20:49] <ajmoulen> this is the physical box so I am real nervous about breaking it as it would take out not just 1 server but 6
[20:49] <ajmoulen> so I will probably leave it to the next LTS update and mvoe to that, I would have stayed on LTS if not for a PHP version upgrade I needed
[20:49] <[ka]killer> like i said, personally i would stick with fiesty
[20:50] <genii> Interesting. Even searching Westinghouse website for 2046NV produces nothing. Was gonna look at the windoze .inf file if one exists to see similes for same specs.
[20:50] <ajmoulen> I thought lcd specs were pretty much normalized based on native resolution
[20:50] <Creationist> genii: http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=104 <--That's my official page for the monitor
[20:50] <gan|y|med> hi
[20:51] <ajmoulen> Creationist: I think he was trying to find an windows driver file for that monitor
[20:51] <ajmoulen> which would give performance numbers that may help you
[20:51] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen vmware server is a kind of ugly install for gutsy but I am getting through it.
[20:51] <gan|y|med> i have some trouble with the kde session management (at least i think it is the session management)
[20:52] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: ? ugly?
[20:52] <Creationist> oh
[20:52] <aztun> compilerwriter: are u installing from source┬┐
[20:52] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: I can't even think of what I had to do other than install gutsy and then grab the package
[20:52] <ajmoulen> from vmware.com
[20:53] <compilerwriter> I followed the link ubotu sent me.
[20:53] <ajmoulen> on fiesty it was more work because I had to install all the build essential and kernel header stuff
[20:53] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server
[20:53] <gan|y|med> when i make settings in ksynaptics they don't survive a restart (not sure about surviving a session). this is a known bug, but it also happens with the energy saving module for displays. any setting just takes no effect at all except it is "reset". any ideas?
[20:53] <ajmoulen> you don't need the vmware-any-any package
[20:54] <ajmoulen> that is why I directed you to 1.0.4
[20:54] <compilerwriter> aztun I am doing the ugly source plust patch thing ubotu sent me.
[20:54] <ajmoulen> 1.0.3 required the patch 1.0.4 doesn't
[20:55] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen should I stop what I am doing and do something else then? or am I now committed to the path I started?
[20:55] <ajmoulen> I wish these lines were numbered
[20:56] <ajmoulen> anyway if you untarred the VMware-server package and haven't copied the files from vmware-any-any you should be fine to just continue to do the install
[20:56] <ajmoulen> you don't need to touch the ssl files either not sure what that is about
[20:56] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen I am in the middle of downloading the first wget.
[20:56] <ajmoulen> so run the very first line, then download the 1.0.4 package from vmware
[20:56] <ajmoulen> kill that
[20:56] <ajmoulen> you don't want 1.0.3
[20:57] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen Do I need to do anything to clean up what I have already done?
[20:57] <gan|y|med> anybody having trouble with ksynaptics?
[20:57] <ajmoulen> delete the half downloaded file
[20:58] <ajmoulen> darn apparently I need to register my nick
[20:58] <Alloosh> hi, how do I configure my cgi
[20:58] <ajmoulen> Alloosh: to do what?
[20:58] <Alloosh> I dont have it in the www, and I think I will need it there to use it
[20:59] <Alloosh> vgi-bin
[20:59] <Alloosh> cgi-bin
[20:59] <ajmoulen> the cgi directory is in /usr/lib/cgi I think
[20:59] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen Which one of these do I need?  http://register.vmware.com/content/download.html
[20:59] <ajmoulen> modify /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[21:00] <Alloosh> ajmoulen: iam trying to use mapserver, and iam not sure how :)
[21:00] <ajmoulen> http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmserver/VMware-server-1.0.4-56528.tar.gz
[21:00] <gan|y|med> anybody having problems with kde settings not being stored???
[21:00] <ajmoulen> http://download3.vmware.com/software/vmserver/VMware-server-linux-client-1.0.4-56528.zip
[21:00] <ajmoulen> gan|y|med: depends on what you mean not being stored
[21:00] <ajmoulen> compiz messes with some of my settings
[21:01] <ajmoulen> but if you aren't using compiz then I would say no I haven't seen that issue
[21:01] <ajmoulen> Alloosh: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default will tell you where your cgi-bin folder is and what it is using to call it
[21:02] <ajmoulen> unfortunately I don't have apache installed on this particular machine or i would check the file
[21:02] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen thanks for the links.
[21:02] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: sure
[21:02] <gan|y|med> ajmoulen: i.e. i switch on energy saving for my display, let's say i set it to 2 min. after reboot it won't come on after 2 min. i do have to uncheck and check it again for it to work properly. same in ksynaptics
[21:02] <Minataku> Hm
[21:02] <ajmoulen> unpack the first one I gave you first, go into vmware-server-distrib and run the installer
[21:02] <Minataku> Is Dr_Willis here? No. Crap.
[21:03] <ajmoulen> gan|y|med: not seen that issue before
[21:03] <genii> Creationist: Windows apparently uses the generic PnP monitor driver for this thing. So I figure it should respond to edid calls. If you have the package read-edid installed, you can get an xorg.conf compatible monitor setting output by: sudo get-edid|parse-edid
[21:03] <genii> Sorry for lag, work is getting busy a bit ehre
[21:03] <genii> *here
[21:04] <gan|y|med> and i hoped i might not be the only one :(
[21:05] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen I will need to install the server package and then install the client will I not?
[21:05] <ajmoulen> right
[21:06] <DrX> why does it say "operation not supported" on some of the files and subdirectories when I run a cp out to a network share or USB thumb drive but not locally?
[21:07] <BluesKaj>   Note regarding LCD Drivers Since Westinghouse LCD TVs and Monitors are plug-and-play devices, they do not require any drivers.
[21:07] <Creationist> genii: So, basically just install read-edid, run get-edid|parse-edid, then install nvidia-glx-new, restart X and I should be good to go?
[21:08] <BluesKaj> genii and Creationist the above is a quote from the Westinghouse LCD Monitor page
[21:09] <Creationist> BluesKaj: Right, but something isn't working properly.
[21:09] <genii> Creationist: install whatever drivers first. then use the method with sudo get-edid|parse-edid to get output which you can copy and paste into the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file replacing the section titled "Monitor" with the output from the edid command that begins "Monitor"   etc
[21:09] <Creationist> BluesKaj: Right now I'm using nvidia-glx and a generic LCD Monitor
[21:09] <Creationist> genii: Alright, I'll give that a shot
[21:10] <Creationist> genii: And the proprietary nvidia driver package is nvidia-glx-new, correct?
[21:12] <gan|y|med> can it be that when i install certain ms fonts (ttf package), standard fonts get overridden?
[21:13] <BluesKaj> right Creationist , the graphics card is the obvious issue here ...didn't mean to sidetrack the problem
[21:14] <DrX> why does it say "operation not supported" on some of the files and subdirectories when I run a cp out to a network share or usb thumb drive with FAT but not to the local drive?
[21:15] <genii> Creationist: The exact driver packagename escapes me. But it is likely correct (nvidia-glx-new)
[21:16] <Creationist> BluesKaj, genii: Okay, thank you.
[21:17] <Creationist> genii: read-edid failed.
[21:18] <BluesKaj> Creationist, nvidia-glx-new is listed in adept
[21:18] <genii> BluesKaj: When he sets the display to do the native resolution of the monitor, thats what it does except that the monitor is only showing something like screen coverage of 75%
[21:19] <genii> Creationist: installing read-edid failed? or the command: sudo get-edid|parse-edid     failed
[21:19] <genii> note get-edid in the command not read-edid and also sudo
[21:19] <BluesKaj> yeah genii , got it
[21:19] <Creationist> genii: Running the command.  Here's the output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44654/
[21:20] <genii> Creationist: OK, looking
[21:21] <genii> Creationist: Bah, annoying. Means you need to look up the horizontal and vertical refreshes and add them manually. Bleh
[21:22] <ehird`> anyone use kate and ruby know how to get good autoindentation?
[21:23] <Creationist> Great... I've tried doing that before.
[21:23] <Creationist> I know how to find them, but I can't figure out how to add them.
[21:24] <Creationist> I can find the horizontal and vertical "frequency."  Is that the same?  They're exact amounts, though, and not ranges.  They're also different depending on what I'm doing on the computer (I look them up through my monitor's OSD)
[21:24] <BluesKaj> genii, can he edit the xorg file to reflect (scuse the pun) the refresh rates ?
[21:26] <genii> Creationist: Well, they are different than the entries we would need to make so no.
[21:27] <Creationist> genii: Well, that's all I've been able to find with all my searching on Google.  My monitor's manual doesn't even specify hor and ver refresh rates... just the overall refresh rate of 60hz
[21:27] <ardchoille> What is kwebdesktop?
[21:27] <ardchoille> I just noticed I can use it to draw the desktop bg
[21:27] <genii> Interestingly the user manual states "VESA Plug and Play eliminates the complicated and time-consuming installation process. Your computer system will identify and automatically adjust the LCD monitor. " Have you tried for kicks setting the driver to vesa?
[21:28] <acidBURN> is there a fix for the SLOW>>>>> bootup with kubuntu 7.10
[21:28] <Creationist> genii: No, because that defeats the purpose of what I'm trying to do.  The monitor works perfectly with the nv driver.  But I want to use my card's 3D capabilities.  That's when it causes problems.
[21:29] <Creationist> acidBURN: Yeah, a new processor  ;)
[21:29] <ehird`> anyone notice tabs are fugly in GTK apps using Polyester and gtk-qt? It displays one column of styled pixels then horrible flatness
[21:29] <Creationist> acidBURN: Mine boots from system power to login screen in about 30 seconds.  How slow is yours?
[21:29] <genii> Creationist: Lemme look for the rates
[21:30] <ardchoille> ehird`: Using gtk apps in kde?
[21:30] <ehird`> ardchoille: what about it
[21:31] <ardchoille> ehird`: I noticed that too and also noticed that installing gtk-engines-qtpixmap gtk2-engines-qtpixmap gtk2-engines seems to make gtk apps look much better in kde
[21:31] <Creationist> ardchoille: That's not exactly against any rules... in fact, sometimes it's necessary ;)
[21:31] <ardchoille> Creationist: I know :)
[21:31] <DrX> anyone know why cp crashes with "cp: writing './images/file/file/file' : No space left on device" but I just checked the device despite having 463GB free space on the device
[21:32] <ehird`> ardchoille: didn't work
[21:33] <ajmoulen> DrX: that sounds like an odd issue, almost like you have too much diskspace
[21:33] <ardchoille> ehird`: Did you select "Qt" in the GTK Styles and Fonts dialog in System Settings?
[21:33] <ardchoille> ehird`: Sorry, select "Use my KDE style in GTK applications"
[21:33] <ehird`> ardchoille: ofc
[21:33] <t1n0m3n> hi, I need help with using minicom to connect to a serial device.  I am using 7.10.  I am using a FTDI usb to serial converter and I am connecting to a cisco router.  This worked fine under 7.04.  I am getting "usb 2-1: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0" and then after 2 seconds I get "usb 2-1: usbfs: interface 0 claimed by ftdi_sio while 'brltty' sets config #1" and then "ftdi_sio ttyUSB0: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now disc
[21:33] <t1n0m3n> /messages
[21:34] <compilerwriter> ok ajmoulen now I have gotten the things downloaded.
[21:34] <ajmoulen> did you also go and register for a license key?
[21:34] <compilerwriter> not yet.
[21:34] <t1n0m3n> it seems like I have a conflict, but I dont know where to go next
[21:34] <ajmoulen> you will want to do that before you start the install because you need to supply the key during the install
[21:35] <phoenix_> slt
[21:35] <ardchoille> t1n0m3n: What are you trying to do?
[21:35] <sato_> hello
[21:35] <phoenix_> comment va tout le monde?
[21:35] <acidBURN> Creationist: how about 3-4 mins on a new install
[21:35] <t1n0m3n> ardchoille: what do you mean?  Like trying to connect to a cisco router? or something else?
[21:36] <ehird`> ardchoille: http://content.imagesocket.com/images/rcrc2f2.png
[21:36] <ardchoille> t1n0m3n: nvm, I missed your first post, sorry
[21:36] <phoenix_> j'ai un soucis sous linux kubuntu quelqu'un paut'il m'aider?
[21:36] <ehird`> ardchoille: see how a few pixels of nice kde is drawn then flatness
[21:36] <ehird`> (in vim)
[21:36] <Creationist> acidBURN: Ouch.  Try running dmesg in a terminal and looking at the times on the left (counted in seconds).  Look for large time gaps between entries.
[21:37] <lgkan> what does squashfs error: sb_bread failed reading block 0x40249  mean, is that a hard drive error or cd erro
[21:37] <acidBURN> working
[21:37] <Creationist> acidBURN: My guess is that something is failing (and being retried) many times during boot up.  I've had the problem in the past.
[21:37] <acidBURN> but this is a new install
[21:37] <Creationist> !fr | phoenix_
[21:37] <ubotu> phoenix_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[21:37] <Creationist> acidBURN: Yeah, I know... my problem was an unrecorgnized CD writer.
[21:37] <compilerwriter> ajmoulen I have registered and now have a key
[21:38] <ajmoulen> in vmware-server-distrib run the installer script
[21:38] <phoenix_> kubuntu fr en fait
[21:38] <ajmoulen> it will prompt you through things, use the default for everything
[21:38] <t1n0m3n> I need help with a usb serial converter conflict with ttyUSB0
[21:38] <phoenix_> merci c'est cool je vais aller faire un tour de suite parce que je ne vois plus rien sur mon ecran
[21:39] <Creationist> !en | phoenix_
[21:39] <ubotu> phoenix_: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[21:39] <genii> Creationist: Bah. All I can find is that it will do it's max resolution at 60. And i need to leave soon.
[21:39] <acidBURN> Creationist: I see a error with bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed.
[21:39] <Creationist> acidBURN: And there is a large time gap between that and the next entry?
[21:39] <acidBURN> but seen those before in 7.04
[21:39] <acidBURN> no gaps
[21:39] <Slash> hi men
[21:40] <Creationist> acidBURN: Well, where do your times jump up to over 100 seconds?
[21:40] <Creationist> acidBURN: Look in there...
[21:40] <Creationist> genii: Yeah, I know, I haven't been able to find more than that either.  Thank you for trying, though.
[21:40] <Creationist> genii: I just miss Compiz, that's all :)
[21:41] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: I have to run, my wife isn't going to be pleased if I don't go pick her up soon
[21:41] <Creationist> genii: My system functions perfectly without it, so this isn't a major issue.  I can wait until April if I have to (just hope 8.04 gets it fixed)
[21:41] <acidBURN> well, its like this: see the grub loader, and see a complaint mesage about apc or something then the screen close black for 3-4 mins
[21:41] <acidBURN> then I get my login
[21:41] <compilerwriter> ok ajmoulen
[21:41] <ajmoulen> compilerwriter: just follow the prompts it should get you where you want to be, when you get done with installing the server, install the console
[21:41] <genii> Creationist: You could add a mode next to the one which is the problemmatic setting and specify 60hz in it perhaps. eg "1024x768@60"  or similar
[21:41] <Creationist> acidBURN: But when you ran dmesg, did you look through the whole thing to see if there are any time delays?
[21:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> good morning kubuntu
[21:41] <ajmoulen> once you have done both you should run vmware-server-console and build your virtual machine
[21:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> why vmware.
[21:42] <acidBURN> what I'm I supposed to see
[21:42] <acidBURN> a number
[21:42] <acidBURN>  a error
[21:42] <genii> Creationist: Then do the ctrl-alt - or + on numpad to cycle to it
[21:42] <acidBURN> 1422.832000] APIC error on CPU0: 00(40)
[21:42] <Creationist> acidBURN: On the far left, something similar to this: [   45.632478
[21:43] <Creationist> acidBURN: Look at those and see if there is a big jump from one to the other.  Say, from 45 to 55, etc.
[21:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> i'm still wondering why vmware rather than something that seems to work far better (like, say, virtualbox)
[21:43] <genii> OK, gotta go... g'nite all
[21:43] <acidBURN> nope, goes from 33. to 120.
[21:43] <ajmoulen> Daisuke_Laptop: he was having problems with virtual box and an install of windows xp
[21:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> ahhh
[21:43] <Daisuke_Laptop> that would do it.  was just curious :)
[21:44] <t1n0m3n> ahh, ok, the braille tty is kicking off my ftdi usb to serial converter.  looks to be a known bug
[21:44] <Creationist> acidBURN: Uhm, then that would be a big jump.  That means it took 87 seconds to perform whatever function is listed at 33.  Look for an error in that area.
[21:44] <ajmoulen> I know how to help him with vmware as I manage several vmware installs at work
[21:44] <ajmoulen> currently running something like 25 virtual machines over 4 servers
[21:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> i have no idea what the problems were with vbox, so couldn't help anyway :D
[21:44] <acidBURN> oh,
[21:45] <acidBURN> so if the numbers are out of wack
[21:45] <acidBURN> then its a big jump
[21:45] <ajmoulen> Daisuke_Laptop: yea virtualbox is cool but it is a little more hands on than vmware tends to be
[21:45] <bjwebb> im having trouble burning a dvd
[21:45] <Creationist> acidBURN: Tell you what, why don't you just copy/paste your whole output from dmesg onto pastebin http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[21:45] <ajmoulen> especially if you are doing remote stuff too
[21:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> ajmoulen: it can be, yeah, but seamless mode is awesome :)
[21:45] <Creationist> acidBURN: That is correct.  dmesg is basically showing your entire bootup procedure and at what time a certain function took place.
[21:46] <t1n0m3n> where are the "hotplug/udev scripts" located?
[21:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> they both have their place.
[21:46] <ajmoulen> what does seamless mode do?
[21:46] <ajmoulen> does it let you run windows apps on a linux desktop type of thing?
[21:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> yep
[21:46] <ajmoulen> ah
[21:46] <Creationist> ajmoulen: Exactly.  You won't see the windows desktop :)
[21:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> my windows apps are running virtualized alongside my regular apps
[21:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> and running at speed, too
[21:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's the only way i can stay sane when using jbuilder.  the windows desktop makes me want to vomit
[21:47] <Creationist> ajmoulen: Since you're struggling with VMware, though.... I'll throw out my recomendation.  VirtualBox is fabulous, easy, and works flawlessly for me.
[21:47] <ajmoulen> Daisuke_Laptop: I use vmware to run server farms of virtual machines
[21:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> ajmoulen: biiig difference then :)
[21:47] <ajmoulen> oh I am not haveing any issues with vmware
[21:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> and vmware is doubtless the way to go
[21:47] <ajmoulen> I just haven't dealt with virtualbox
[21:48] <bjwebb> im trying to burn something with k3b and fail - http://pastebin.ca/776124
[21:48] <Creationist> Daisuke_Laptop: May I ask why you suggest vmware over VB?
[21:48] <ajmoulen> Creationist: vmware has mangement console and management web site
[21:48] <acidBURN> Creationist: here the link http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44660/
[21:48] <ajmoulen> virtualbox is cool but to do remote management is a little less easy
[21:49] <ajmoulen> I did research it but couldn't find a good way to do what i can easily do in vmware-server
[21:49] <Creationist> acidBURN: Looks like the problem is your external harddrive.  Are you able to access it with Dolphin?
[21:49] <t1n0m3n> where are udev rules kept?
[21:50] <acidBURN> Creationist: no
[21:50] <acidBURN> why
[21:50] <Creationist> acidBURN: Of course, those Microcode errors are taking a couple thousand seconds too.  But I don't know what they are, personally.
[21:50] <acidBURN> oh, yes I can access it
[21:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> Creationist: ajmoulen just nailed it.  for that many installs with that much administration involved, vmware is better equipped to handle it
[21:56] <ehird`> NOW I AM THE LIZARD QUEEN
[21:58] <Tm_T> ehird`: erm?
[21:58] <ehird`> Tm_T: See above netsplit.
[21:59] <Tm_T> ehird`: what about it?
[21:59] <ehird`> It was big.
[22:01] <Creationist> Welcome back to the land of the living :)
[22:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> welcome back from splitsville, population NOT MEH!
[22:04] <compilerwriter> Ladies and Gentlemen I think I have vmware installed now I need some help firing it up, and perhaps confirming I have it installed correctly.
[22:04] <mike-kubuntu> how do i turn off compiz-fusion once started?
[22:04] <mike-kubuntu> would a kwin --replace, do the trick?
[22:05] <Creationist> mike-kubuntu: It should.
[22:05] <mike-kubuntu> hmm, anyone here run into opengl refusing to start on a amd64 system?
[22:05] <Creationist> mike-kubuntu: That's what my "Stop Compiz" launcher is set to :)
[22:05] <mike-kubuntu> er, with quake4, and only quake4
[22:06] <ardchoille> How do I stop konqueror web browser form using kparts?
[22:06] <ehird`> So, anyone know re: tabs
[22:07] <Darkrift411> what are the advantages to upgrading to 7.10? and will the adept upgrade go smoothly?
[22:08] <Creationist> Darkrift411: Using the adept upgrade has always broken my system.  For others it works flawlessly.  There's no way to say if it will go smoothly for you.
[22:08] <Creationist> Darkrift411: I always recommend a clean install as a sure-fire safe way to do it.
[22:10] <WaltzingAlong> Darkrift411: and ask here for help along the way (should the gui installer crash on you)
[22:10] <Tm_T> mike-kubuntu: yes
[22:11] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: rebuild it?
[22:11] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: I was afraid someone would say that
[22:11] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: well i do not know if it is otherwise possible
[22:12] <Darkrift411> ill just stick with what i have for now
[22:12] <Darkrift411> reinstalling is a pita
[22:12] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: It may not be, I've looked all over for such an option
[22:12] <Darkrift411> and things are working good
[22:12] <Tm_T> ardchoille: khtml is kparts
[22:12] <WaltzingAlong> Darkrift411: which dist are you now? dapper? feisty?
[22:12] <Tm_T> ardchoille: Konqueror is just a shell for kparts, it does nothing without them
[22:12] <compilerwriter> Anyone have a second to help me sort out vmware
[22:12] <Darkrift411> feisty
[22:12] <WaltzingAlong> release i suppose&
[22:13] <ardchoille> Tm_T: What I was wanting is when I click on an .ics file online, I don't want konq to open it as a calendar in a kpart
[22:13] <Tm_T> Darkrift411: should be safe if you don't have weird quirks in your system
[22:13] <ardchoille> Tm_T: Interesting, didn't know that
[22:13] <Darkrift411> well.. it is a laptop
[22:13] <Darkrift411> so there are lots of wierd quirks lol
[22:13] <Darkrift411> took lots of work to get everythig working
[22:13] <Darkrift411> wifi took a week
[22:13] <Darkrift411> video.... 2 weeks lol
[22:13] <Creationist> Darkrift411: If everything is working well and you don't have need for what Gutsy offers, then I see no reason to upgrade.
[22:13] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: should be able to customize how .ics files are handled
[22:14] <Darkrift411> i was kinda wondering what gutsy offered, didnt see the details on the site
[22:14] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: I haven't figured that out yet
[22:14] <Darkrift411> what new bells and whistles i would get
[22:14] <Tm_T> ardchoille: rightclick? should give you some menus
[22:14] <kristjan_> what package conf is responsible for the looks of apps launched via "kdesudo" - I lost the adept's ability to integrate into my customized desktop after installing "comipz-kicker" package from kde-apps.org website
[22:14] <ardchoille> Tm_T: yeah
[22:14] <Tm_T> Darkrift411: doesn't mean it
[22:14] <WaltzingAlong> file associations
[22:14]  * Tm_T slaps voidmage 
[22:15] <kristjan_> (now adept is using kubuntu's default settings instead)
[22:15] <Creationist> Darkrift411: Gutsy didn't really reinvent itself with features.  A couple of notable ones (KDE specific) are the inclusion of a restricted drivers manager.
[22:15] <pete> I'm getting appplications refusing to start and no usable output when starting them via konsole; everything worked fine right up until this morning when kde4 was built on a seperate user account (safely, done it before and know how it gets done). amarok and katapult seem to be the worst offenders, but there might be others. which amarok and which katapult shows the corect locations of them; x restarts and package reinstalls don't work. any other
[22:15] <pete> suggestions?
[22:15] <Creationist> Darkrift411: Hmm... that's really all I  can think of.
[22:16] <Darkrift411> i thought i installed a restricted drivers manager to get my video working
[22:16] <Tm_T> pete: install related dbg packages
[22:16] <Creationist> Darkrift411: Yeah, you may have.  But it was included by default with 7.10
[22:16] <Darkrift411> i c
[22:16] <Darkrift411> guess ill stick with what i have till i find a reason to do otherwise
[22:16] <Darkrift411> with windows, i always had to have the latest and greatest
[22:16] <DrX> why does cp /xen/images/file/* . -r fail with cp: writing './hdd' : No space left on device when the device has 463GB free (it's copying via an smb share to a Windows box)?
[22:17] <Darkrift411> but i dont feel that need here lol
[22:17] <Creationist> Now, I have a question.  I want to switch to Gnome, but keep KDE.  How do I go about doing that WITHOUT cluttering my Gnome and KDE menus with entries from the other environment?
[22:17] <WaltzingAlong> Creationist: build the menus yourself
[22:18] <_seezer> DrX: copying a single file > 2GB onto a fat32 partition (on windows side)
[22:18] <_seezer> ?
[22:19] <aguu> hi
[22:19] <flodine> Hi
[22:20] <pete> Tm_T: for? the offending apps? can't find any in adept.
[22:20] <Tm_T> pete: kdemultimedia-dbg for amarok etc
[22:20] <pete> right, cheeers
[22:21] <TheWozA> hey guys whats the command to kill a database lock
[22:21] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix
[22:21] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: ┬½ sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a ┬╗
[22:21] <TheWozA> ahh thx
[22:22] <DrX> why does cp /xen/images/file/* . -r fail with cp: writing './hdd' : No space left on device when the device has 463GB free (it's copying via an smb share to a Windows box)?
[22:23] <seezer> DrX: did you read my question?
[22:23] <tuxthepenguin933> is kde4 going to be in gusty
[22:24] <WaltzingAlong> tuxthepenguin933: it is already (beta3)
[22:24] <DrX> seezer: checking...
[22:24] <DrX> seezer, yes
[22:25] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, I've been trying to follow the instrctions on this page to install kde4 via svn , but I get only as far as "cmakekde"on this page :http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4#Kubuntu_and_Debian,  then I get errors about cmake : The source directory "/home/kaj" does not appear to contain CMakeLists.txt.
[22:25] <WaltzingAlong> DrX: fat32 cannot handle singe file larger than 2gb
[22:25] <pete> BluesKaj: you need to cd before you can cmakekde
[22:25] <seezer> err it's ~4gb on 32, sorry
[22:26] <seezer> but a xen image might be around that size ;)
[22:26] <BluesKaj> cd to where?
[22:26] <DRtuxthepenguin> is kde4 beta going to be in gusty
[22:26] <pete> to the dir you just checked out of svn
[22:26] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: it is already in gutsy. check www.kubuntu.org
[22:26] <Darkrift411> its not in it, but its in the repositories
[22:26] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: you should get the module, not single applications
[22:26] <pete> so if you just checked out kdesupport, you need to do cd kdesupport
[22:26] <BluesKaj> svn is in that dir , that's what confuses me
[22:26] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: at least when i get module instead of single aplication, this solves
[22:27] <pete> emilsedgh: correct, the structure won't allow building of individual apps
[22:27] <BluesKaj> emilsedgh, ??
[22:27] <pete> BluesKaj: what did you just check out, and what's your pwd?
[22:27] <DRtuxthepenguin> when kde4 final is released will it be backported from hardy
[22:27] <seezer> DrX: so that's what windows tells you about "can't handle this freakin' file" :) convert the filesystem into ntfs (m$ knowledgebase has some information on that) or just drop that OS ;)
[22:29] <WaltzingAlong> DrX: in msdos *cough ms windows* convert /?
[22:29] <DrX> yes, of course, thanks
[22:30] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: i would guess so
[22:31] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: but certainly perhaps not. :(
[22:31] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: besides 8.04 is the next LTS release
[22:32] <DRtuxthepenguin> 8.10
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> 8.10 is the first release with any hope of containing kde4
[22:32] <raylu> why not 8.04?
[22:32] <tekstacy> What do I use to check the phisical health of a hard drive?
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> and at most it would be backported to hardy
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> raylu: LTS
[22:32] <WaltzingAlong> raylu: because 8.04 is LTS
[22:32] <tekstacy> Like DOS's chkdsk
[22:32] <raylu> er...LTS = long-term support?
[22:32] <WaltzingAlong> but may be backported to it
[22:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> you don't stick an initial release DE in a long-term-support release :)
[22:32] <WaltzingAlong> raylu: yes
[22:32] <ardchoille> raylu: yes
[22:33] <raylu> tekstacy, chkdsk doesn't check physical health
[22:33]  * raylu doesn't get it
[22:33] <raylu> OH
[22:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> raylu: 8.04 is going to be supported for the next three years.  it will be an equivalent to debian stable
[22:33] <raylu> 8.04 is the LTS. ok.
[22:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> not the newest packages, but the ones that are gonna work, and work for a long time :)
[22:34] <tekstacy> Bad sectors, that sort of stuff, the drive has been dropped
[22:35] <WaltzingAlong> raylu: but kde4 may be available in the repos for 8.04 but not installed as part of it by default, (or so i imagine anyway)
[22:35] <raylu> ooh :D
[22:35] <raylu> tekstacy, fsck = chkdsk
[22:36] <raylu> btw, is kde4 usable yet?
[22:36] <slow-motion> n8
[22:36] <Darkrift411> not from what the site says
[22:36] <raylu> it's already the third beta :'(
[22:37] <WaltzingAlong> raylu: 4th has been released. in my experience a program here or there, not as a full desktop yet
[22:37] <raylu> T.T
[22:37] <raylu> i tried beta 1 and it died left and right, so I haven't dared touch it since then
[22:37] <cloakable> The Debian kde4 beta 4 livecd is quite good.
[22:37] <andy_> hi all
[22:37] <urbmen> Hi everyone
[22:38] <raylu> !hi
[22:38] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[22:38] <urbmen> I am wondering if anyone can help me
[22:38] <andy_> can anyone tellme how to get the installation of 7.10 without aixgl?
[22:38] <raylu> a...glx?
[22:38] <WaltzingAlong> andy_: what would you prefer instead?
[22:38] <tekstacy> raylu, thanks
[22:39] <andy_> WaltzingAlong: I just need the X to start
[22:39] <kubureaucrat> hello.  i used to be able to download pictures direct from my olympus fe-210 into digikam.  now i can't. i can't connect to the camera.  i can however still download from other computers running the same software.  kubuntu 7.10, current digikam version.
[22:39] <kubureaucrat> i'm guessing that the port is locked, or something, and that i need to unlock it somehow.
[22:39] <andy_> currently it complinas that AIXGL canot load, becasue my driver does not support it
[22:39] <raylu> kubureaucrat, USB cable?
[22:39] <kubureaucrat> yep
[22:39] <WaltzingAlong> andy_: which video device? which module/driver?
[22:39] <Darkrift411> does lsusb show it connected?
[22:39] <raylu> kubureaucrat, I'd start with lsusb
[22:40] <kubureaucrat> i searched kubuntuforums, ubuntuforums, and digikam forums
[22:40] <raylu> andy_, video card brand?
[22:40] <kubureaucrat> raylu okay
[22:40] <andy_> I've got an ATI 2600
[22:40] <kubureaucrat> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 07b4:0109 Olympus Optical Co., Ltd
[22:41] <andy_> and the driver provided with 7.10 does not support it...
[22:41] <andy_> but even with the vesa driver the setup tries to start aixgl and fails of course...
[22:41] <WaltzingAlong> !ati | andy_
[22:41] <ubotu> andy_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[22:41] <raylu> he shouldn't need the binary drivers, though
[22:41] <urbmen> I am having problems installing RPM files
[22:41] <andy_> just need to know how to get X withut any 3D
[22:41] <raylu> *he shouldn't need AIGLX, though
[22:42] <WaltzingAlong> need the extensions composite off?
[22:42] <raylu> urbmen, what are you installing?
[22:42] <andy_> raylu: exactly what I want...
[22:42] <andy_> 7.10
[22:42] <urbmen> Winamp
[22:42] <kubureaucrat> raylu is there a command to reset the usb port?
[22:42] <andy_> want to install it off CD
[22:42] <raylu> kubureaucrat, that doesn't really make sense
[22:42] <raylu> kubureaucrat, what does DigiKam do/show?
[22:43] <raylu> urbmen, why do you want WINamp?
[22:43] <andy_> just need to know how to deactivate composite/aixgl so X will start
[22:43] <jpatrick> urbmen: just use amarok
[22:43] <raylu> andy_, in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf, see if the Composite option is on
[22:44] <keith> Can anyone help me with vmware?  Specifically verifying I installed it correctly and then getting it fired up for the first time?
[22:44] <kubureaucrat> raylu "Failed to connect to the camera.  Please make sure it is connected properly and turned on.  Would you like to try again?"
[22:44] <urbmen> erm well I queit new to linux I've more aless just install Kubuntu, and I wanted to be able play stream files
[22:44] <seezer> andy_: or put the line 'Option "AIXGL" "off"' into the "ServerFlags" section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:44] <andy_> raylu, that's the prob...there is no such option, so it looks like it's hardcoded in another config file
[22:44] <kubureaucrat> and it is indeed plugged in etc
[22:44] <urbmen> i'm quiet*
[22:44] <andy_> ah...that's it then....
[22:44] <Darkrift411> quite
[22:44] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: there are several programs which will do that for you. amarok, for instance
[22:44] <andy_> will try it...thanx a lot guys...
[22:44] <raylu> kubureaucrat, sorry, I have no experience with that
[22:45] <urbmen> cheers
[22:45] <kubureaucrat> is there maybe some sort of portlock?  maybe i had to disconnect the camera at some point improperly - or there was a crash or something - and i am being blocked from reconnecting one way or another
[22:45] <andy_> bye for now...and thanx again...rebooting
[22:45] <raylu> kubureaucrat, again, that really doens't make sense
[22:45] <raylu> *doesn't
[22:46] <kubureaucrat> like if you run synaptic and then try to start adept but can't because synaptic has apt blocked
[22:46] <raylu> right...but that's because each locks the apt database
[22:46] <kubureaucrat> raylu, well, okay, i don't know what to say but that was the output from lsusb
[22:46] <raylu> whereas a usb port can't really be locked
[22:47] <urbmen> amorok does not seem to work
[22:47] <urbmen> amarok
[22:47] <raylu> urbmen, i'm listening to a stream right now :D
[22:47] <kubureaucrat> raylu okay but maybe digikam or kde has a residual file blocking me from reconnecting the same camera because digikam / kde think it still is connected from when i crashed before?
[22:47] <kubureaucrat> * residual config
[22:48] <noobuntu> im trying to do ssh port forwarding to get passed a firewall/router using this command " ssh -p 22 -R 80:localhost:9999 user@remotecomputer " and it is giving me this message. "Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 80" why is this happening? i tried running the command as root too and the same thing happened.
[22:48] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: amarok/playlist menu/add stream ?
[22:48] <raylu> kubureaucrat, have you restarted since then? is digikam listed in your process list?
[22:48] <WaltzingAlong> noobuntu: something is listening to that port already?
[22:48] <BluesKaj> pete, I retried the commands on the how to page and it seems i hadn't installed some of the pkges properly , it seems to be building kde4 now :)
[22:48] <kubureaucrat> yes many times.  this has been for many boot cycles i haven't gotten around to trying to fix it till now
[22:48] <raylu> noobuntu, why do you need to do that?
[22:49] <noobuntu> WaltzingAlong, yes, something is supposed to be listening on the port
[22:49] <DrX> does the rule that Linux cannot reliably write to NTFS partitions not apply when you are writing to an NTFS partition on a windows network PC via cifs?
[22:49] <noobuntu> thats why i want to forward it to another computer
[22:49] <noobuntu> raylu, to get passed a firewall without using port forwarding on the router
[22:49] <[Relic]> Hello :)
[22:49] <raylu> DrX, that rule stopped applying when ntfs-3g went stable
[22:49] <WaltzingAlong> DrX: using ntfs-3g one could write to ntfs
[22:49] <raylu> noobuntu, I don't think that works...unless you have 80 forwarded
[22:49] <DrX> I have SUSE 10.2, so that doesn't apply to me, right?
[22:50] <raylu> DrX, ntfs-3g is distro-independent
[22:50] <urbmen> Error Loading Media
[22:50] <urbmen> No suitable input plugin. This often means that the URL's protocol is not supported. Network failures are other possible causes.
[22:50] <urbmen> http://media10.cqservers.com/kcp-unite
[22:50] <urbmen> that link does not seem to work for me
[22:50] <raylu> urbmen, have you enabled mp3 support?
[22:50] <DrX> right, but I don't think I have that, so am I still okay because the writing is going thru cifs?
[22:50] <urbmen> I dont no how to do it so no
[22:51] <noobuntu> raylu, i already know it works. dont worry about it though. i think i found the problem.
[22:51] <raylu> DrX, the actual writing to the FS is done by the other computer, so yes
[22:51] <raylu> urbmen, sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs, or just play an mp3 file
[22:51] <tekstacy> :)   Just finished a fresh install for a buddy. Another windows box bits the dust....
[22:51] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: could also try vlc or mplayer
[22:51] <urbmen> thanks I'll try that
[22:52] <urbmen> I've been messing with mplayer for the last hour lol
[22:52] <DrX> is ntfs-3g available as an RPM package?
[22:52] <kubureaucrat> okay so i guess no answers.  urg.  will continue poking around on my own.
[22:53] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: ah it wishes to play .asf ? (this url you pasted)
[22:53] <Tm_T> !ntfs | DrX
[22:53] <ubotu> DrX: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[22:53] <Tm_T> hmh
[22:53] <Tm_T> !NTFS-3g | DrX
[22:53] <ubotu> DrX: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[22:53] <Tm_T> erm
[22:54] <urbmen> is there a way to play this through
[22:54] <Gulars> how would I go about setting up the equivalent of "use free space and set up encrypted LVM", to get it installed with windows?
[22:54] <urbmen> amarok
[22:54] <WaltzingAlong> DrX: i suppose it is but on kubuntu you should desire a .deb instead
[22:54] <Tm_T> !mp3 | urbmen
[22:54] <ubotu> urbmen: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[22:54] <urbmen> thanks
[22:54] <Gulars> I've got the alternate installer, but I'm unsure as to how I'd have to set it up manually
[22:55] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: and amarok (or vlc or mplayer) here too find a stream it cannot play; in my experience this is rare
[22:58] <urbmen> oh right, I've also tried to play a stream from 1club.fm but that did not work either
[23:00] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: take note that amarok (and vlc) has several playlists already listed
[23:04] <BluesKaj> urbmen, check playlists in amarok/ for radio streams and try those
[23:04] <urbmen> okay thanks will do
[23:07] <DrX> what do you do when you get timeout errors copying files to network shares and Retry doesn't work?
[23:07] <urbmen> Error Loading Media No suitable demux plugin
[23:09] <BluesKaj> urbmen, yeah that happens with slower loading stations , you have to try up to 3 times with some
[23:10] <urbmen> okay thanks
[23:11] <BluesKaj> i recommend the eclectic stns in shoutcast, radio free phoenix or radio paradise ...they should work for testing purposes at least
[23:11] <edtronic> hola a donde puedo encontrat una guia de todos los comandos del terminal
[23:12] <yan> hey
[23:12] <edtronic> Hey
[23:12] <yan> i have 2 problem with kicker...
[23:12] <yan> someone could help me?
[23:13] <WaltzingAlong> yan: state your issues
[23:13] <yan> well.. i ll tell u the situation...
[23:14] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: also may happen with very ms eccentric sites?
[23:14] <yan> i had : entries in kmenu as prefix for all app in kmenu.,, so i decided to reinstall kicker
[23:14] <yan> now i still have that and plus, i cant go in panel configuration
[23:14] <yan> "the specified library kicker could not be found
[23:15] <yan> diag : library files for "kcm_kicker.la" not found in paths
[23:15] <ehird`> anyone use Kate?
[23:15] <ehird`> and Ruby
[23:15] <ehird`> I have this:
[23:15] <ehird`> Variables=kate: indent-mode varindent; var-indent-indent-after ^( )*(if|while|def|class|for).*|\\{[^\\}]*$|else|elsif|rescue|do|begin; var-indent-indent; var-indent-unindent end|else|elsif|rescue|^[^\\{]*\\}; var-indent-triggerchars }def; space-indent on; indent-width 2;
[23:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> ehird`: bit chauvanistic, eh?
[23:15] <ehird`> but it isn't indenting ruby cod eproperly
[23:15] <ehird`> Daisuke_Laptop: hah
[23:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> ask in #ruby?
[23:15] <ehird`> it's a Kate question
[23:15] <yan> im searching on google for hours and i cant find answer
[23:15] <Minataku> Either way, Python is better
[23:15] <ehird`> Minataku: I have used both extensively.
[23:16] <WaltzingAlong> yan: sudo aptitude reinstall kubuntu-desktop ?
[23:16] <ehird`> Minataku: Call me back when Python doesn't have huge flaws to common functional-programming tasks.
[23:16] <yan> so i have to reinstall all kde?
[23:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> ehird`: it's a ruby question, they're more likely to know how to set up kate to properly indent ruby code
[23:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> or...  they'll tell you to be a man and use vi
[23:17] <ehird`> Daisuke_Laptop: unlikely, mine just has a minor kate bug
[23:18] <WaltzingAlong> yan: no my suggestion was to reinstall the 'kubuntu-desktop' meta-package
[23:18] <ehird`> Daisuke_Laptop: it indents, but it also indents the previous line and indents one too many
[23:18] <ehird`> that is
[23:18] <WaltzingAlong> yan: but that may not address the issue either
[23:18] <ehird`> "def x\n" -> "  def x\n    |" (| = cursor)
[23:18] <yan> should i try?
[23:18] <urbmen> every stream I try is not working is that demux plugin easy to install
[23:19] <WaltzingAlong> ehird`: have you had kate grab the latest highlight definitions? kate/settings/configure kate/highlighting/download
[23:19] <yan> walt, ty a lot for your time
[23:19] <yan> im gonna try it
[23:19] <ehird`> WaltzingAlong: I'll do that. But I wrote that mysel
[23:19] <ehird`> f
[23:20] <yan> i come back after
[23:20] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: do you know of any sites which prefer mpeg to asf ? ;p
[23:20] <WaltzingAlong> yan ok
[23:20] <ehird`> Also I have the latest.
[23:21] <urbmen> no sorry
[23:22] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: :D does http://www.smgradio.com/core/audio/mp3/live.pls?service=vrbb play for you in amarok
[23:22] <WaltzingAlong> ehird`: ok only other thing i have is ... it is probably something easier than you first thought
[23:23] <urbmen> No suitable demux plugin
[23:23] <Ghaal> Anyone able to help me out with a problem ? When trying to start K3B, it hangs, simply won't start, no cpu used on it, just doesn't start, like in a query. Also leaves an instance going wich I can't get to kill, if reinstalling, gives error saying something 'bout /dev/hdd seems to be cdrom, and then hangs, but gives no real error message ... it seems in kubuntu /dev/cdrom is used, and I tried open k3b with "k3b --copycd /dev/cdrom" but didn't
[23:23] <Ghaal> go any different. And I can't find any solution to it through google. Oh, and permissions appears to be in order. CDrom is working normally.
[23:25] <ehird`> WaltzingAlong: well what looks wrong
[23:26] <WaltzingAlong> ehird`: perhaps you could ask in #kde
[23:28] <Ghaal> noone seen my problem before ?
[23:28] <yan> hey
[23:29] <urbmen> is it easy to install the libxine-extracodecs
[23:29] <yan> it fixed the control panel one
[23:29] <yan> thanks
[23:30] <yan> i still have "_: entries in k-menu : (app name) app name, (description) description"   where (app name) is the real app name and (description) is the real description
[23:31] <yan> thats the most of my kmenu listed app show
[23:31] <yan> if i put to name only it only show the correct name
[23:32] <yan> but im noob to linux so i prefer to have both...
[23:32] <WaltzingAlong> yan: ok and that is a known issue. and that is the workaround (setting show name only or description only)
[23:32] <yan> oki
[23:32] <yan> thanks, ill stick to name only
[23:34] <WaltzingAlong> yan: there may be a fix for it but if so i do not (yet) know of it
[23:34] <urbmen> I have down loaded the libxine-extracodecs but have no idea how to install them
[23:34] <WaltzingAlong> !medibuntu | urbmen
[23:34] <ubotu> urbmen: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[23:34] <yan> thats cool waltzing.. ill survive to it :D i thank you a lot
[23:36] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: then you install the w32codecs package from the medibuntu repository
[23:36] <yan> now i need to get my 3945 wireless work.. any site r dedicated in linux wireless?
[23:37] <WaltzingAlong> !wifi | yan, sure enough
[23:37] <ubotu> yan, sure enough: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:37] <yan> thanx guys
[23:38] <i00nsu> hello to al
[23:38] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: you may also want libxine1-ffmpeg            which you can install through adept manager
[23:38] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu: greetings
[23:39] <i00nsu> greatings WaltzingAlong
[23:40] <i00nsu> can I use rc.local in /etc to exec a script at startup?
[23:41] <i00nsu> normaly is in /etc/rc.d .. but here i have alots of rc.d dirs
[23:41] <WaltzingAlong> !boot | i00nsu
[23:41] <ubotu> i00nsu: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[23:41] <yan> erm.. i do iwconfig like said but i get no wireless extensions for lo and eth0
[23:41] <yan> no wlan0 or other
[23:42] <yan> !wifi
[23:42] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[23:42] <WaltzingAlong> yan which device did you have? lspci (or if it is usb, lsusb); either /msg WaltzingAlong the results           or !pastebin them
[23:42] <WaltzingAlong> !pastebin > yan
[23:42] <i00nsu> very nice, and now for the reboot/halt?
[23:43] <i00nsu> is just for mount partitions at startup, and umount when rebooting or halting
[23:44] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu: to put them in the corresponding levels i guess; check the package 'bum'
[23:44] <WaltzingAlong> !info bum | i00nsu
[23:44] <ubotu> i00nsu: bum: graphical runlevel editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.10-1 (gutsy), package size 82 kB, installed size 532 kB
[23:45] <yan> !pastebin > yan
[23:45] <yan> !pastebin 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Conne
[23:46] <Tm_T> yan: erm
[23:46] <i00nsu> hmmm... the comand line says to insert the kubuntu cd, but it is in. where can i change the default drive ?
[23:47] <Tm_T> i00nsu: desktop cd?
[23:47] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu: you could also comment out the cd as a source in /etc/apt/sources.list or graphically through manage repositories in adept manager
[23:47] <i00nsu> you mean if the icon is in desktop? yes
[23:51] <RdPB> hello
[23:52] <RdPB> can here ask for some help in something? or a simple question? please im very sad
[23:53] <RdPB> about kubuntu installation and raid please someone
[23:53] <Tm_T> !helpme | RdPB
[23:53] <ubotu> RdPB: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[23:53] <RdPB> i try 3 days to install my kubuntu
[23:53] <RdPB> with raid 0 support
[23:54] <Tm_T> !raid | RdPB
[23:54] <ubotu> RdPB: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO - For software RAID, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[23:54] <RdPB> i have 2 250G in raid 0 with vista install
[23:54] <RdPB> i read all of them...
[23:56] <RdPB> did someone work with this? or its a simple reading.. and never works?
[23:56] <Tm_T> never used raid myseldf
[23:56] <keith> how do I verify I have correctly installed vmware and then how do I fire the thing up for the first time.
[23:56] <RdPB> i think that will give up the try and stay in windows
[23:58] <JohnFlux> RdPB: you created the raid 0 setup in windows?
[23:58] <JohnFlux> RdPB: it is software raid?
[23:59] <RdPB> in bios i setup the raid
[23:59] <RdPB> no in windows
[23:59] <RdPB> its from my motherboard