[00:15] https://edge.launchpad.net/~shawarma/+archive/+build/444858 <-- The builder is listed as an i386 one, but produces amd64 binaries. [00:17] It seems to be supposed to build amd64 binaries. I think it's just listed incorrectly. [00:17] soren: file a bug on soyuz [00:17] soren, that bug's reported, I confirmed it yesterday [00:17] mpt: Oh, ok. [00:18] Sorry for the trouble. [00:19] no trouble :-) [00:23] soren, it's bug 159606 [00:23] Launchpad bug 159606 in launchpad-buildd "osmium incorrectly described as i386" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/159606 [00:30] New bug: #162763 in launchpad-bazaar ""Register merge proposal" is indirect" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162763 [01:01] New bug: #162771 in rosetta "Poor feedback from translation export queue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162771 === rick_h is now known as deuce868 === deuce868 is now known as rick_h === rick_h is now known as rick_h_ === jclerner is now known as jlerner [05:35] New bug: #162803 in malone "Please support different "Also affects distribution" targets for different bug tasks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162803 [06:21] mpt: :P [06:21] mpt: that requires me to re-login, etc, just to post a damn question. [06:21] which requires finding my LP p/w [06:23] if only web browsers could remember details like that [06:25] it does - for the vanilla, and beta ones. assuming i'm on launchpad.net itself, not a url off that. [07:11] lamont: did you find teh chroot problem, btw? [07:22] Hobbsee, what does? [07:22] mpt: your comment on my question, about that i should use staging, not production [07:23] oh [07:23] You don't know your Launchpad password? That's mildly alarming [07:25] mpt: my password safe does. === stu2 is now known as stub [08:11] morning [08:13] morning carlos === soren_ is now known as soren === cprov-away is now known as cprov === rick_h_ is now known as deuce868 === deuce868 is now known as rick_h === rick_h is now known as rick_h_ [13:45] New bug: #162873 in launchpad "LookupError when editing team if you changed your Launchpad ID after loading the form" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162873 [13:46] Hobbsee: I had, um, computer problems. [13:47] lamont: ...right [13:47] so no. I'll look when I get to the office today [13:48] lamont: cool, OK [13:48] Hobbsee: amusingly (1) INIC162x doesn't support SATA drives of over 2^28 sectors (LBA48), (2) my mother board doesn't allow me to have both primary IDE and SATA active (so the IDE-to-SATA adapter was not successful as a solution), and (3) best buy actually has a non INIC162x SATA controller card. [13:48] lamont: ouch! [13:48] so, two trips into town yesterday :-( [13:49] oh, and the new machine has a different video card, so it shouldn't randomly lock up because I moved the mouse at the wrong instant. [13:49] and I need to leave 3 minutes ago. [13:49] gone [14:00] hello SteveA [14:00] you? [14:00] meh [14:01] me! [14:01] :-P [14:01] who? [14:01] he! [14:01] Couldn't be! [14:01] We [14:01] are the knights [14:01] mao [14:01] * schwuk feels like he's reading Dr Seuss [14:01] no talking [14:02] penalty card - talking [14:02] meow [14:02] woof [14:02] who say.. [14:02] Rinchen: :) [14:02] (everyone) [14:02] here, but a bit sleepy [14:03] jamesh, I know the feeling. [14:03] * Hobbsee force feeds jamesh coffee [14:03] isn't the meeting now? [14:03] jamesh, with the timezone changes I have to get up at 6:40 [14:03] mthaddon is even worse. [14:03] Hobbsee: if you could do that to the whole LP team, that'd be great. [14:03] Rinchen: it's the 10 hours of jet lag that's making me sleepy [14:03] gmb: that would require an awful lot of flying. and i dont make good coffee :) [14:03] * jtv lines up for coffee [14:03] gmb: except I don't like coffee [14:03] not so much the time of day [14:03] jamesh, see, you should have stayed here and setup shop :-) [14:04] Hobbsee: no-one said it had to be good ;) [14:04] * Rinchen is attempting to locate SteveA [14:04] haha [14:04] You should all come to Bangkok for the LP meeting [14:04] can i ask a question, while you're waiting? [14:04] Rinchen: that's why we're moving this meeting to 1500utc, right? [14:04] stub: I'm trying! [14:04] and miss the nice 30°C weather? [14:04] stub: I'd rather be further south on one of the islands :) [14:04] Hobbsee: fire away. No promises that we'll answer, though. [14:04] gmb: when are the LP sprints? [14:05] jamesh: I disagree with you value of nice [14:05] /dev/random [14:05] I'll compromise on Phuket if necessary [14:05] jamesh, good point, it's -8 right now here in Colorado [14:05] schwuk: you meant "cat /dev/random" right? [14:05] Rinchen: can you answer Hobbsee's question? ^^ [14:05] ddaa: I did miss a 39°C day earlier this week, apparently [14:05] Phuket is way too expensive [14:05] gmb: can anyone answer that? :) [14:05] actually, you probably meant "unrandom" too [14:06] ddaa: If you want to be precise... [14:06] Hobbsee, which sprints? :-) We had some planning time over the last two weeks [14:06] Rinchen: the ones you all are at, i think. [14:06] Hobbsee, ah, then... the last two weeks. This week we are back to normal [14:06] Hobbsee: you just missed one [14:06] Rinchen: we are? [14:06] ddaa: i know that :) [14:06] Hobbsee: we're in recovery mode [14:07] normal is relative of course [14:07] * schwuk puts the Jager away [14:07] schwuk: For a value of normal [14:07] jamesh: haha. liver is becomming sane again [14:07] schwuk: Normalised by Jager. [14:08] well, seems SteveA is unavailable for the moment. mpt would you kindly do the honours? [14:08] ok, one moment [14:09] thank you sir [14:09] * mpt finds his gavel [14:09] MEETING TIME [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] Welcome one and all to the weekly Launchpad development meeting [14:09] Other than stub and mthaddon, who is here? [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:09] meep [14:09] you. [14:09] me [14:09] me [14:10] me [14:10] me [14:10] hey jrydberg__: long time no see [14:10] SteveA, I see you hiding there [14:10] me [14:10] mpt: thanks for starting -- network issue here :-/ [14:10] mrevell and matsubara send their regretts. [14:10] me [14:10] ddaa: yeah! sup? [14:10] SteveA, is it fixed, or continuing? [14:11] jrydberg__: talk after meeting [14:11] mpt: I hope it's fixed. meanwhile, please continue :-) [14:11] ddaa: agree! [14:11] mpt, today is a holiday in Brazil. I'm around but may not be responsive [14:11] Team leads, please find your absent colleagues [14:11] what a time for wifi to die [14:11] == Agenda == [14:11] * Next meeting [14:11] * Actions from last meeting [14:11] * Oops report (Matsubara) [14:11] * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [14:11] * Bug tags [14:11] * Operations report (mthaddon) [14:11] * DBA report (stub) [14:12] * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [14:12] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [14:12] * Next meeting [14:12] * Actions from last meeting [14:12] except minus the last two lines [14:12] * postgres shared memory - flacoste [14:12] * Renaming Launchpad projects? (malone, rosetta, meta-lp-deps, blueprint, soyuz) - kiko [14:12] * What to do with tickcount? - kiko [14:12] * Blockers [14:12] If you have any other items, please /msg me [14:12] the issues from kiko are old [14:12] from last meeting [14:12] ok, ta [14:13] flacoste's one is old too [14:13] me [14:13] there should be an item about removing [trivial] [14:13] That means there's a meeting I need to transcribe somewhere, then [14:13] == Next meeting == [14:13] Anyone who will be unable to attend same time next week? [14:13] US holiday [14:13] I'll be on vacation. [14:13] me [14:14] i'll be on vacation the whole week [14:14] what mthaddon said [14:14] ^^ [14:14] I'll be off too [14:14] I make a motion to cancel next week's meeting. :-) [14:14] SteveA and kiko are away also next week? [14:15] SteveA will not be there. Kiko is unknown. [14:15] kiko is an enigma [14:15] Let's set the next meeting to the 29th then. [14:16] ok, next meeting in two weeks === mpt changed the topic of #launchpad to: Next developer meeting: Thu 29 Nov 2007, 1400UTC | List: launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com | Support: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | Help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | Join the beta team: https://help.launchpad.net/JoiningLaunchpadBetaTesters [14:16] I think a few of our US folks might want that to be 15:00 UTC [14:16] Ah, now that daylight saving has begun [14:17] 4am NZT, whee [14:17] Midnight here [14:17] Oops... 10pm. Can't count. [14:17] Hello [14:17] It might be better to discuss that on the mailing list [14:17] +1 [14:17] == Actions from last meeting == [14:17] 15:00 UTC is better for me too [14:17] mpt: didn't we have a simple table in the wiki for everyone to say their preferences? [14:18] fwiw, we moved the ameu reviewers meeting to 1500utc [14:18] Yes, if everyone updates their data on , that will make the decision easier [14:18] so please go and do that [14:19] mpt: you might want to send that to the list as well, for those that aren't here [14:19] ok, I'll do that [14:19] About PPA, is that normal to see AMD64 packages beeing built by osmium (xen-i386) ? [14:19] Is this one doing both AMD64 & x86 ? [14:19] Since I've forgotten to minute the last meeting (because I wasn't present), there are no actions [14:19] Hi LeRoutier, just a moment please. We're holding a meeting. [14:20] I'll mail any to the list [14:20] ok, no prob [14:20] == Oops report == [14:20] mpt, let us hear it :) [14:20] There's one new oops I've deciphered so far, bug 162873 [14:20] Launchpad bug 162873 in launchpad "LookupError when editing team if you changed your Launchpad ID after loading the form" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162873 [14:20] Who would like to take that one? [14:21] * mpt flees the stampede of volunteers [14:21] that sounds like a corner case to me... [14:21] flacoste, does salgado-afk have any time for that?> [14:21] Rinchen: no [14:21] Yes, it's a corner case [14:21] I'd make that a seriously low priority [14:21] as in, let's not fix it in the next 2 cycles [14:21] ok, we can leave it unassigned [14:22] that's the kind of thing we can look at making robust when we look at ajax stuff [14:22] Common recent oopses include bug 50617 and bug 42599 [14:22] Bug 50617 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/50617 is private [14:22] Bug 42599 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/42599 is private [14:22] both timeouts [14:22] (wakes up) It wasn't us this time? [14:23] Bless. [14:23] jtv, I was just about to say, "and of course +translate is timing out much more than any of those" [14:23] i can take a look at 50617 [14:23] mpt: I hope this is the last meeting with that issue ;-) [14:23] SteveA, it's not obvious to me why the team editing form needs to have a hidden field with the owner in it in the first place [14:24] carlos: flw [14:24] mpt: that's worth another bug. [14:24] mpt: I'd say that's a separate bug to one coping with forms that are loaded while an id is changed behind the scenes. [14:25] mpt: using old form infrastructure maybe? [14:25] using ContextWidget or whatever it is called [14:25] SteveA, for this specific bug, removing the owner field is one possible solution [14:25] If there are other forms that have owner and shouldn't, I agree those are separate bugs === Ubulette_ is now known as Ubulette [14:25] mpt: yeah, converting that form to LaunchpadFormView would solve the issue [14:25] mpt: true. however, I still say we don't need to fix that specific bug. [14:26] 42599 is about distroarchreleases, and 50617 is about blueprints. Who should fix them? [14:27] mpt: i volunteered for 50617 [14:27] thanks intellectronica [14:27] ok, moving on [14:27] == Critical bugs (Rinchen) == [14:27] Hi, 3 for today, all Soyuz. [14:27] cprov, bigjools: Status for Bug #155921, Bug #157552, and Bug #159304 please. :-) Thanks. [14:27] Launchpad bug 155921 in soyuz "copy-package cannot copy between archives" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155921 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) [14:27] Bug 157552 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/157552 is private [14:27] Bug 159304 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/159304 is private [14:28] Rinchen: my two pieces are under review [14:28] fantastic [14:28] mine is landed [14:28] and released [14:28] Great. Please update the bug if you haven't in the last hour :-) [14:28] Thanks. [14:28] and cprov is currently fudging production to re-publish the indexes [14:28] I have :)( [14:29] That was easy. And painless. [14:29] Thanks. Back to you mpt [14:29] == Bug tags == [14:30] says there are two proposed tags, bugtag and hwdb [14:30] Is that accurate, or have they already been discussed? [14:30] that's accurate [14:30] both from kiko i guess [14:30] Yes, both are from kiko [14:30] who isn't here [14:31] * SteveA looks [14:31] He's already used "bugtags" on 28 bug reports [14:32] how often are the NEW for hardy reviewed ? [14:32] rather than "bugtag" proposed? [14:32] SteveA, yeah. [14:32] Ubulette: that's a question for the ubuntu people. [14:32] Ubulette: we're the launchpad people. [14:32] Ubulette: maybe you are looking for #ubuntu [14:32] oh, right :) [14:33] Ubulette: when the archive admins do it. [14:33] and they are not LP people. [14:33] Yes, he's proposed "bugtag" but used "bugtags" [14:33] ok, thanks [14:33] There is only one example of a bug that would use "hwdb", bug 3382 [14:33] Launchpad bug 3382 in malone "Enable users to submit HW info to a DB and reference these DB records in bug reports" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3382 [14:34] SteveA, what's your verdict? [14:34] Eventually I'd like to have non-bug tags. However we can cross the bridge when we come to it. [14:34] I'm ok with both at the moment. [14:34] Rinchen, by then we might have mass tag-changing, so we won't even need to have this discussion :-) [14:34] remove the proposal of hwdb. it needn't be an official tag. needn't reject it either. [14:35] there doesn't seem to be much call for an official hwdb tag just now in the bug data [14:36] there are 0 bugs tagged 'bugtag' [14:36] so obviously that's not going to be accepted :-) [14:36] should the tag be 'bugtag' or 'bugtags' ? [14:36] I vote for bugtags since it's already in use [14:36] SteveA, there have often been tags proposed before they were used [14:37] The search in the proposal yields what appears to be those tagged with bugtags [14:37] All right, bugtag is declined because people should be using bugtags instead. Onward! [14:37] mpt: there's "used" as in "bugs exist that would be tagged with this", and there's "used" as in "bugs have been tagged with this tag" [14:37] hang on [14:37] == Operations report (mthaddon) == [14:37] please wait a sec [14:37] ok [14:38] is 'bugtag' clearly a superior name to 'bugtags' ? [14:38] or vice versa? [14:38] if they're equivalent, then we can update the proposed tag to 'bugtags', and approve it [14:38] With the disclaimer that I don't think any of this really matters, we have "bugwatch" not "bugwatches" [14:38] if 'bugtag' is clearly better as a name, we should update all 'bugtags' tags to 'bugtag', and approve 'bugtag' [14:39] "motu", not "motus" [14:39] and "ppa", not "ppas" [14:39] then, 'bugtag' approved. someone needs to do (a db query perhaps) to update the tags [14:39] * Rinchen assigns that to kiko. ;-) [14:39] ok. [14:39] I'll send him an email with this. [14:39] == Operations report (mthaddon) == [14:39] Moving to release-critical in PQM on (most likely) Sat morning US time [14:39] Nothing else to report [14:40] thanks Tom [14:40] mthaddon: Which US time? [14:40] If you have to ask, you are LATE [14:40] :) [14:40] == DBA report (stub) == [14:40] gmb, was being vague, but west coast [14:40] * gmb wants to know how far he can push his luck [14:40] The DB review queue is clear except for one branch from cprov and another from Edwin. I suspect Edwin's patch shouldn't go through yet (private team boolean). I think cprovs will be fine but want to get sign off from sabdfl if possible. [14:40] The next rollout will have significant downtime (4 hours or so) due to the Rosetta schema migration assuming the branch lands in time. I would suggest delaying the rollout if that is a problem because this is a good time of the year to do it. [14:40] Nothing else thrilling happening. [14:40] EOM [14:41] thanks Stuart [14:41] == Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) == [14:41] Hi! Is anyone blocked on an RT or have any that are becoming urgent? I'm aware of APIs and Feed items. [14:41] and mailing list [14:41] stub: would you like to book a conference call to discuss my patch ? [14:42] cprov: I'm happy with it. I'll wave it through if I can't wave it past mark by my tomorrow. [14:42] no takers. Ok, back to you mpt. [14:42] stub: okay, thanks [14:43] thanks Joey [14:43] == A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) == [14:43] skip [14:43] ok [14:43] In mrevell's absence, I'm fairly confident in stating that the top user-affecting issue at the moment is the translations timeouts [14:43] jtv, is your branch on track for landing? [14:44] mpt: getting there [14:44] mpt: and timeouts in general, yes. [14:44] we should make it. [14:44] ok [14:44] mpt: anything requiring a search box is also quite bad. [14:44] == Blockers == [14:44] (w.r.t timeouts) [14:44] Foundations team: not blocked [14:44] Translations team: Not blocked. [14:45] Bugs team: not blocked [14:45] Releases Team: Not Blocked. [14:45] Perhaps SteveA would like to say something here about when to regard yourself as blocked? [14:46] given that we've been discussing it recently [14:46] Soyuz team? Bazaar team? Special Ops team? [14:46] we were dicussing 'blocked' vs 'stalled' [14:46] SC: not blocked [14:46] Collaborative Commerce: Feeds blocked on new caching setup [14:47] hwdb: not blocked [14:47] where 'blocked' means 'cannot proceed because of depending on someone or something external to the team' [14:47] or 'out of the team's control' [14:47] Soyuz: not blocked [14:47] ddaa, are you representing the LP-Bazaar team today? [14:47] and 'stalled' meaning 'not making progress, despite not being blocked' [14:47] and that might be because there is other work going on [14:47] Code team: bug 144744 [14:47] Launchpad bug 144744 in launchpad-bazaar "get a better design for loggerhead" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144744 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) [14:48] or because the task in question was not RTC (ready to code) when started [14:48] * mwhudson_ was hunting bug numbers [14:48] mpt: was talking with mwhudson_ offline about blockage [14:48] ok === mwhudson_ is now known as mwhudson [14:48] maybe it'll be helpful to have team leads report on stalled tasks too. I dont' want to discuss that here, today, though, as we're almost out of time. [14:49] ok, thanks SteveA [14:49] bac, who should be setting up the caching? [14:49] or is that an RT? [14:49] mpt: work between SteveA, Joey, and an external resource [14:50] mwhudson, I'll discuss with Rinchen scheduling that for next cycle [14:50] there is a blocking rt which elmo knows about [14:50] ok [14:50] mpt: thank you [14:50] And that's all for today [14:50] Thanks for running the meeting mpt. [14:50] MEETING ENDS [14:50] thank you everyone [14:50] and sorry we went over time [14:50] mpt: it's not super-duper hi priority, nor do i necessarily want _you_ to do the work [14:51] mpt: but you said you'd get something done... [14:51] mwhudson, basically the answer is, (1) embed it in main-template.pt or (2) give it the Launchpad color scheme but nothing else [14:51] and iirc (1) is impossible, right? [14:52] mpt: er [14:52] the question is simply _getting a better design_ [14:52] the css and layout are both pretty terrible at the moment [14:53] once a better groundwork is laid for that, we can see about the launchpad integration aspect [14:53] mwhudson, oh, so you mean a design for loggerhead wherever it's used, whether in Launchpad or not? [14:54] bac: for setting up cacheing for feeds, IS should be able to do that for basic testing [14:54] bac: we shouldn't block launching feeds on having a whole new infrastructure [14:54] mpt: yes === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch [14:55] mwhudson, ok. I misunderstood the bug report. [14:55] SteveA: from our meeting at AH it was my impression we could not proceed until we had squid in place and it was going to be done as a single effort. [14:55] mpt: apologies for not being clearer [14:55] mpt: do you want to amend it, or should i? [14:56] SteveA: i'll talk to mthaddon and figure out how to proceed. [14:56] mwhudson, I can [14:56] mpt: thanks [14:56] mwhudson, are there lists anywhere of problems people have with the current design? [14:57] the project I just registered, https://edge.launchpad.net/libvirt is set to not do translations, questions or bug reports, but there are three prominent buttons on the main page prompting people to use it for just that - what's up? [14:58] mpt: well, i have a problem in that the css is terrible [14:58] in the sense that there's a selector for practically every element [15:00] cprov-lunch: when you're back from lunch, wondering of chroot-problem failures autoretry, or if there is a mass give-back to do... [15:00] and the link for the bug tracker leads not to the redhat bugzilla, but to a list of all launchpad bugs being watched at redhat - hardly the place someone would want to go to report a bug, I'd think [15:14] lamont: how do you mean ? [15:17] lamont: can I help? [15:20]