[02:46] <ToHellWithGA> is a macbook an appropriate testing platform?  i'm running ubuntu gutsy 32-bit on one / partition and 64-bit on another / partition and sharing /home
[02:46] <Hobbsee> should be fine.
[02:46] <ToHellWithGA> i figure there's always new fun stuff to learn
[02:46] <ToHellWithGA> hey man how you doin?
[02:46] <ToHellWithGA> @lart 28 to you :)
[02:48] <Hobbsee> considering options and such ;)
[02:48] <crimsun> 'lo sarah
[02:49] <ToHellWithGA> so right now is before alpha 1, will an s/gutsy/hardy/g and a dist-upgrade get the ball rolling?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> crimsun!
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ToHellWithGA: yeah.  but maybe too far, though.
[02:49] <ToHellWithGA> unless yall are running some super keen new svn madwifi i'd have to build a wireless module anywho
[02:49] <Hobbsee> some of it's awfully unstable.
[02:49] <ToHellWithGA> it's my toy installation, it can break a lot :)
[02:56] <ToHellWithGA> i dunno how package selection goes, but is virtualbox possibly going to be included in hardy's repositories?
[02:57] <ToHellWithGA> the open source edition is a fairly easy-to-use virtualization package, and the private use and evaluation license version works nicely for individuals to setup some pretty slick integration of VMs
[02:58] <crimsun> hmm?
[02:58] <crimsun> virtualbox-ose | 1.5.0-dfsg2-1ubuntu3 | gutsy/universe | source, amd64, i386
[02:58] <crimsun> virtualbox-ose | 1.5.0-dfsg2-1ubuntu3 | hardy/universe | source, amd64, i386
[02:58] <ToHellWithGA> ok then
[02:58] <crimsun> IIRC, stevenk uploaded it for gutsy, even.
[02:58] <ToHellWithGA> i guess i've had their repostiory in my sources.list too long XD
[02:59] <ToHellWithGA> s/sti/sit/
[05:24] <ToHellWithGA> synaptics entries in /etc/X11/xorg.conf are not being respected
[05:25] <ToHellWithGA> i'll check back tomorrow to see if a bug has been filed or an update has fixed the problem, but until then imma sleep
[09:18] <_StefanS_> what kernel is expected to be included in hardy ?
[09:28] <Amaranth> _StefanS_: 24
[09:28] <_StefanS_> good, thats what I was hoping ;)
[09:32] <_StefanS_> anyone know why amd64 versions always display "Kernel Alive" in the bottom of the screen.. seems kinda wierd :)
[09:33] <Amaranth> _StefanS_: The developers like portal?
[09:34] <Amaranth> They want you to know the kernel is still alive
[09:34] <_StefanS_> heh, so the kernel is usually more dead on 64bit then ? because its not displayed on x86 :)
[09:34] <Amaranth> I don't think you got the reference?
[09:35] <_StefanS_> probably not. But I'm also tired.
[09:35] <_StefanS_> please rephrase
[09:40] <Amaranth> portal is a video game
[09:41] <Amaranth> If you haven't played it, drop everything and start doing so
[09:50] <_StefanS_> Amaranth: does it work for linux?
[09:51] <Amaranth> it's hl2 based so it works perfectly with wine
[09:52] <_StefanS_> uhm okay
[13:56] <IdleOne> anybody know when boinc-manager will be fixed?
[13:58] <Hobbsee> IdleOne: when someone (like you) fixes it?
[13:58] <IdleOne> Hobbsee: I wish I had the know how to do that
[13:59] <Toma-> whats wrong with it?
[13:59] <Hobbsee> learn it :)
[13:59] <IdleOne> Toma-: it is broken apperrently and apt removed it
[13:59] <IdleOne> couple days ago
[14:00] <Toma-> ill have a glance at it, but im no programmer
[14:00] <IdleOne> Toma-: nm seems it wants to install now. I'll let you know if it works
[14:01] <Toma-> hmm
[14:01] <IdleOne> Toma-: btw thanks for jumping in and offering to help :)
[14:01] <Toma-> np :)
[14:01] <IdleOne> I just tried to install it after I asked about it
[14:01] <Toma-> waiting for e17 to compile. kinda bored
[14:02] <Toma-> you might want to check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/boinc/+bug/48768 if it works
[14:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 48768 in boinc "boinc-manager startup program fails to log in" [Medium,Confirmed]
[14:02] <Toma-> theres a work around for it
[14:03] <IdleOne> going to let it install and see what happens
[14:03] <Toma-> Rad.
[14:06] <IdleOne> boinc-manager seems to be working fine for me :)
[14:06] <Toma-> cool
[14:06] <IdleOne> yay! back to crunching
[14:07] <IdleOne> e17 how is it looking?
[14:07] <Toma-> im making a theme for it
[14:07] <IdleOne> havent played with it in a while
[14:07] <Toma-> so damn sexy ;D
[14:07] <IdleOne> really? what is the theme?
[14:07] <Toma-> ill snapshot it
[14:07] <IdleOne> cool
[14:07] <IdleOne> why you compiling and not using the package?
[14:08] <IdleOne> hmmm thought there was as package maybe not
[14:08] <IdleOne> !e17
[14:08] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[14:09] <Toma-> need up-to-date builds to keep the theme code crisp
[14:09] <IdleOne> I see
[14:09] <IdleOne> think I wanna break my system and compile it also lol
[14:10] <Toma-> gimme a sec, ill throw u a script
[14:10] <IdleOne> epiphany-browser is acting up again . wont load
[14:10] <Toma-> http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17fireball0.png
[14:10] <Toma-> window borders are a work in progress
[14:11] <IdleOne> looking
[14:12] <Toma-> http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/get_e.sh
[14:12] <IdleOne> errrr this darm machine is slow
[14:12] <Toma-> it will pull in all the ubuntu packages for you to build
[14:13]  * IdleOne needs to get a new pc with less slowness and more fastness
[14:14] <Pici> I hear computers with that feature are all the rage nowadays
[14:14] <IdleOne> yeah me too
[14:14] <IdleOne> if rage is what your looking for I can send this computer to you Pici
[14:15] <Pici> hehe, No thanks. I have enough of that right now.
[14:15] <IdleOne> Toma-: under the fireball and a impact crater with molton rocks or sumsuch :)
[14:16] <IdleOne> but it looks good to me
[14:16] <Toma-> thx :)
[14:16] <Toma-> need to get cracking on this border, because its yuck
[14:30] <IdleOne> Toma-: can I add a desktop background image in e17? there is a certain image of a motorcycle that I like having on my desktop. reminds me that I need to go and buy it for myself
[14:30] <Toma-> of course
[14:31] <Toma-> Config > Wallpaper > Picture
[14:31] <IdleOne> ahh ok well then I will install
[14:31] <Toma-> btw, theres no systray.
[14:32] <IdleOne> lmao my only requirements is that I can add a picture to my desktop. wether it works or not  means nothing :)
[14:34] <IdleOne> is there a command to list the number of files on my system?
[14:34] <IdleOne> I mean everything
[14:35]  * Hobbsee would assume some use of "file"
[14:35] <Hobbsee> and linecount
[14:36] <IdleOne> Toma-: sh get_e.sh correct?
[14:37] <Toma-> chmod +x get_e.sh
[14:37] <Toma-> ./get_e.sh
[14:37] <IdleOne> ty
[14:38] <IdleOne> Toma-:
[14:38] <IdleOne> Check /etc/ld.so.conf sanity
[14:38] <IdleOne> Add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf please.
[14:38] <IdleOne> also says check sudo access
[14:38] <IdleOne> above those lines
[14:38] <Toma-> yep
[14:39] <IdleOne> hmmm ok ?!
[14:39] <Toma-> Youll need to do that :)
[14:39] <IdleOne> hehe how?
[14:39] <Toma-> gksudo gedit /etc/ld.so.conf
[14:39] <IdleOne> oh
[14:39] <Toma-> type - /usr/local/lib
[14:39] <Toma-> save exit
[14:40] <IdleOne> I need to add that line at the end?
[14:40] <Toma-> yep
[14:40] <IdleOne> just /usr/local/lib or include /usr/local/lib
[14:41] <Toma-> and when its all done, ¨sudo ln -s /usr/local/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/¨
[14:41] <Toma-> just the path
[14:41] <IdleOne> ok done
[14:41] <Toma-> when its ALL done
[14:42] <Toma-> Trying to get that problem fixed
[14:42] <Toma-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/162326
[14:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162326 in xorg "Should include /usr/local/share/xsessions" [Undecided,New]
[14:43] <Toma-> kind of embarrassing that ubuntu doesnt respect /usr/local
[14:43] <IdleOne> Your distribution is not supported. Please adit this script and
[14:43] <IdleOne> add a section to detect your distribution and then to install
[14:43] <IdleOne> required packages for it.
[14:43] <Toma-> ....what distro are you using?
[14:43] <IdleOne> heron
[14:43] <Toma-> ah.
[14:43] <IdleOne> hardy
[14:43] <Toma-> well.
[14:44] <Toma-> ill tweak it for you then
[14:44] <IdleOne> hehe ok
[14:48] <Toma-> you can do this
[14:48] <Toma-> text editor > swap all instances of gutsy with heron
[14:48] <Toma-> and go
[14:49] <IdleOne> sure thing
[14:52] <IdleOne> why not use the e login manager? you have it set to not compile
[14:52] <IdleOne> or it is set to not compile
[14:53] <Toma-> its set to not compile
[14:53] <Toma-> most folks already have a login manager
[14:53] <IdleOne> yeah
[14:53] <Toma-> and then more folks have no idea how to setup entrance as a login manager :)
[17:30] <IdleOne> where is toma- when you need him
[19:01] <hydrogen> err
[19:01] <hydrogen> swapping gutsy for heron is really going to eff up your system
[19:02] <nanonyme> hydrogen, with x86 plain you still have chances of getting a working heron, right?
[19:02] <hydrogen> no
[19:02] <hydrogen> yoiu have a cahnce of getting a working hardy
[19:02] <nanonyme> heh
[19:02] <hydrogen> not a working heron
[19:03] <nanonyme> i think i'm confused and am unsure if it's because of the anime music of the terminology
[19:03] <nanonyme> s/of/or/
[19:03] <nanonyme> gah, too confused to do replaces, apparently...
[19:05] <IdleOne> nanonyme: read the topic. DO NOT RUN HARDY it is not stable or near stable and it will break
[19:06] <nanonyme> IdleOne, well, i understand it's still very deep in developing, i just didnd't get the hardy vs. heron bit
[19:07] <IdleOne> ahh well 8.10 is codename Hardy heron and normally the codenames are shortened to the adjective in this case hardy or Fiesty or Gutsy
[19:07] <IdleOne> and so on
[19:08] <nanonyme> mmkay
[19:08] <IdleOne> just one of those things. not a set rule but one ppl seem to follow