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| kwwii | hi all | 13:55 |
| pitti | hi | 13:57 |
| seb128 | hey pitti | 13:57 |
| Hobbsee | argh, it's a scary people meeting! | 13:58 |
| Keybuk | scary people? | 13:58 |
| * Hobbsee points at Keybuk. yes. | 13:58 | |
| Hobbsee | don't you count as scary? | 13:58 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: stop being sKary | 13:58 |
| * mvo waves | 13:58 | |
| * Hobbsee trouts kwwii | 13:59 | |
| kwwii | *ouch* | 13:59 |
| * Mithrandir gives Hobbsee some fresh salmon | 13:59 | |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: would now be an appropriate tiem to mention that i'm not running kubuntu? | 14:00 |
| * Hobbsee smacks Keybuk with the salmon, then | 14:00 | |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: don't tell me, tell Riddell | 14:00 |
| * seb128 hugs Hobbsee | 14:00 | |
| Hobbsee | (thanks. that's useful) | 14:00 |
| * Hobbsee hugs seb128 | 14:00 | |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:00 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: welcome to the dark^Wbrown side. | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: it's not brown anymore :) | 14:00 |
| kwwii | lol, black and orange! | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: bar the panels, looks remarkably like kubuntu. | 14:00 |
| Hobbsee | nah. bluey-purple. :) | 14:01 |
| Mithrandir | orangish, then | 14:01 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: ping | 14:01 |
| Mithrandir | kwwii: incidentially, the default openbox theme is quite a good match for our default look. | 14:01 |
| kwwii | Mithrandir: cool, i will check it out | 14:02 |
| MacSlow | Greetings everybody | 14:03 |
| Keybuk | Welcome back everybody | 14:03 |
| Keybuk | How's everyone settling back into their own timezones? | 14:03 |
| pitti | ~ sweet ~ | 14:03 |
| * kwwii actually slept through the whole night | 14:03 | |
| {ted} | Pretty good. | 14:04 |
| pitti | surprisingly easy, due to not being able to sleep on planes I could actually sleep Sunda ynight | 14:04 |
| {ted} | I had the easy one though. | 14:04 |
| MacSlow | Keybuk, sunday and monday felt a bit odd | 14:04 |
| * mvo is mostly good as well | 14:04 | |
| Keybuk | Better than me then! I slept most of Sunday daytime and thus am still vaguely unsure what day it is | 14:04 |
| MacSlow | but since tuesday everything feels solid again | 14:04 |
| pitti | {ted}: how have your first 'remote' days been? grinded through all the NewStaffTasks? | 14:05 |
| seb128 | I was sleepy on sunday afternoon and I'm back on local time since monday ;-) | 14:05 |
| Keybuk | First thing on the agenda, Welcome Aboard to {ted}! | 14:05 |
| MacSlow | {ted}, official greetings! | 14:06 |
| {ted} | pitti: I've done a bunch of them, I need to ensure that I've done them all. | 14:06 |
| pitti | {ted}: can you consider using [ted] instead, for no-shift-love? :) | 14:06 |
| {ted} | I'm pretty thrilled that my simple package finally built. | 14:06 |
| mvo | {ted}: welcome! | 14:06 |
| {ted} | Hmm, yeah, I thought for some reason the nickserv wouldnt' let me have that one. | 14:06 |
| MacSlow | {ted}, took me a few days to make sure I did all needed pieces | 14:06 |
| seb128 | {ted}: could you use a nickname without special chat at the start? it hurts my hand to use the modifier | 14:06 |
| * ogra would guess "ted" is taken | 14:06 | |
| seb128 | [ also needs a modifier on french layout :( | 14:07 |
| MacSlow | indeed... AltGr-7 is ugly | 14:07 |
| {ted} | Hmm, I might have to come up with something clever ;) | 14:07 |
| MacSlow | seb128, we should switch to US-layout | 14:07 |
| kwwii | he is just making sure you really want to chat with him ;-) | 14:07 |
| seb128 | MacSlow: I like to give non-english testing to Ubuntu because we have non-english users apparently | 14:07 |
| MacSlow | {ted}, what about TheTed? | 14:07 |
| pitti | MacSlow: US layout is *so* much better for programming, vim, etc. | 14:07 |
| pitti | tgould? | 14:07 |
| MacSlow | pitti, hell yeah | 14:08 |
| pitti | anyway, OT for meeting | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | And since {ted} has joined, and is in the balmy US/Pacific timezone, this brings us onto the second agenda item ... the meeting time | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | thanks for all not shouting at the sudden move of an hour | 14:08 |
| MacSlow | Keybuk, afternoon for me so... no issues there | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | {ted}: are you happy with this time? or would you prefer a little later in the day? | 14:08 |
| Keybuk | (obviously we now have to balance the fact the team spans nine timezones) | 14:08 |
| MacSlow | {ted}, must be just after getting up for you over there, right? | 14:09 |
| {ted} | This is good for me, it's when I normally wake up. | 14:09 |
| MacSlow | oh... I though all except for Ted are located in Europe | 14:09 |
| {ted} | It just means that i don't get to shower first. | 14:09 |
| {ted} | But, you guys can't smell me through IRC. | 14:09 |
| pitti | MacSlow: right, nothing in between the TZ span edges :) | 14:09 |
| pitti | {ted}: apt-get install irc-smell-plugin is not until 8.10 | 14:10 |
| {ted} | pitti: Heh, the way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised. | 14:10 |
| MacSlow | pitti, some specs just should not be considered at all | 14:10 |
| {ted} | But, in IRC, it'll all be encoded into your nick... just like state. | 14:11 |
| pitti | so, 1400 UTC then? | 14:11 |
| Keybuk | any objections to 1400 UTC? :p | 14:11 |
| MacSlow | nope | 14:11 |
| Hobbsee | i object! :P | 14:11 |
| * Hobbsee shuts up again | 14:11 | |
| pitti | Hobbsee: you are awake 24 hours a day, what do you care? :) | 14:12 |
| MacSlow | Hobbsee, can you be bribed with a cookie? | 14:12 |
| {ted} | nope | 14:12 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: not quite :) | 14:12 |
| Hobbsee | MacSlow: depends how much chocolate it contains. | 14:12 |
| Keybuk | mvo, kwwii, Riddell? | 14:12 |
| MacSlow | hm... 34% | 14:12 |
| pitti | (OT: these American cookies were sooooo yummy) | 14:12 |
| mvo | that is fine with me | 14:12 |
| * MacSlow misses the muffins | 14:12 | |
| ogra | s/yummy/heavy/ | 14:12 |
| Keybuk | ok, next agenda item | 14:13 |
| Keybuk | Spec Approval | 14:13 |
| * MacSlow is still working on them | 14:13 | |
| pitti | when can a spec go from review to pendingreview? | 14:13 |
| pitti | erm, pendingapproval? | 14:13 |
| pitti | when we got one or two positive feedbacks from our fellows? | 14:13 |
| Keybuk | pitti: in theory, when a "reviewer" reads it | 14:13 |
| Keybuk | in practice, I'll read anything >= review | 14:14 |
| Keybuk | spec approval basically involves nagging me all of next week to read your specs | 14:14 |
| pitti | after Sevilla we used peer review for that | 14:14 |
| Keybuk | please feel free to message me on IRC with a list of those you want me to read | 14:14 |
| Keybuk | and keep on doing it until I do it :) | 14:14 |
| pitti | which worked very well IME | 14:14 |
| MacSlow | Keybuk, I thought we still have time until 22nd to bring them into shape before review/approval | 14:14 |
| Keybuk | that's another good option | 14:14 |
| Keybuk | MacSlow: indeed, which is Thursday next week | 14:14 |
| pitti | especially feedback from upstream is helpful | 14:15 |
| MacSlow | Keybuk, I should have done them before the weekend | 14:15 |
| Keybuk | in practice, if you're mostly at review by Thursday, I'll be more than happy | 14:15 |
| pitti | MacSlow: NB, bring to state review != get them approved | 14:15 |
| MacSlow | Keybuk, the gdm dude, Jon, is pretty fast with replies... David Reveman is certainly slower with replies | 14:15 |
| MacSlow | pitti, indeed... I was oversimplifiying | 14:16 |
| MacSlow | the process | 14:16 |
| Keybuk | please don't let me block you - nag and shout at me if you need me to review something | 14:16 |
| {ted} | MacSlow: Did you ask the GDM guy about some of the power management stuff we were talking about with the logout? Not sure that it's going to be Hardy, but I was curious what he's thinking there. | 14:17 |
| MacSlow | {ted}, not yet | 14:17 |
| MacSlow | but on my list | 14:17 |
| Keybuk | does anyone have any questions about the spec process? | 14:17 |
| pitti | I would like to defer filling out the release notes part until a beta is available | 14:18 |
| MacSlow | I am a bit unsure about the difference between "Design" and "Implementation" | 14:18 |
| Keybuk | MacSlow: sometimes it's often the same bit | 14:18 |
| MacSlow | ok | 14:18 |
| pitti | ^ I usually describe the high-level "what?" bits in design, and the actual implementation details ("how?") in implementation | 14:19 |
| pitti | but often, the implementation is clear from reading the design, so I think it can sometimes be skipped | 14:19 |
| MacSlow | pitti, changing that a bit as things go on is possible I would guess... as long as only one part "Release Notes" changes, or? | 14:19 |
| Keybuk | specs can change as much as you like ;) | 14:20 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson is a great fan of rewriting a spec after implementation so that it actually matches | 14:20 |
| MacSlow | well :) | 14:20 |
| Keybuk | since it can then serve as documentation | 14:20 |
| MacSlow | ah... ok... I'll remember that one | 14:20 |
| Keybuk | ok | 14:21 |
| Keybuk | pitti: PolicyKit adoption strategy? | 14:21 |
| pitti | right; I'm a bit nervous about this | 14:21 |
| Riddell | MacSlow: often my specs don't have a design at all (since if it's a port from ubuntu it has already been designed) | 14:21 |
| pitti | since it's basically an on/off thing (main or not at all) | 14:21 |
| pitti | so my current gut feeling is to do enable it in hal and put it into main, but not necessarily use it for all the things in the admin menu | 14:22 |
| MacSlow | Riddell, you're lucky then | 14:22 |
| pitti | but only for some small applications and new usage cases like g-p-m and network-manager access control for the current console, etc. | 14:22 |
| pitti | for hardy I'd like to keep using gksu for gnome-system-tools, for example | 14:23 |
| Keybuk | that sounds very reasonable | 14:23 |
| pitti | at least until we disable ptrace() by default in the kernel | 14:23 |
| seb128 | I discussed that with pitti during allhand and I'm happy with doing it this way | 14:23 |
| pitti | it's not so much my inconfidence in the PK implementation itself | 14:23 |
| pitti | but more the fact that then all the admin UI will run with just user privileges | 14:24 |
| mvo | what about the package tools (synaptic and friends)? | 14:24 |
| pitti | and thus there is no security boundary any more to other user processes | 14:24 |
| pitti | mvo: same argument | 14:24 |
| mvo | gksu then | 14:24 |
| Keybuk | what's the ptrace issue? | 14:24 |
| pitti | I wouldn't like firefox plugins to install packages without notice | 14:24 |
| mvo | we have no tools that install without a question | 14:24 |
| pitti | Keybuk: e. g. if a firefox plugin ptraces users-admin or the synaptic frontend, it can use the PK privileges granted to users-admin | 14:25 |
| pitti | if those programs run as root, user processes can't ptrace them | 14:25 |
| pitti | I'm aware that you can still use Xevent injection, etc., but it's much harder | 14:25 |
| Keybuk | because it can steal the PK auth token? | 14:25 |
| pitti | whereas attaching gdb and calling system() is a trivial exploit | 14:25 |
| pitti | Keybuk: no, not steal | 14:25 |
| pitti | Keybuk: just execute arbitrary code in the process context of the target app | 14:26 |
| Keybuk | ahh | 14:26 |
| Keybuk | what did davidz have to say about that? | 14:26 |
| pitti | that's why I prefer having admin GUIs run as root | 14:26 |
| pitti | (a common misconception is that this is a bad thing per se) | 14:26 |
| pitti | Keybuk: it just came to my mind after we met, unfortunately | 14:26 |
| pitti | I'll ask him via email, but I had to catch up with too much so far | 14:26 |
| Keybuk | it'd be worth getting some thoughts on that | 14:26 |
| Riddell | pitti: doesn't policykit have a way to restrict which apps can run something? | 14:27 |
| pitti | so I think that using PK for things that already run as user, like g-p-m or the netapplet tool, PK is great | 14:27 |
| pitti | Riddell: sure it has, it assigns privileges based on process ID and executable path | 14:27 |
| pitti | Riddell: the point is, with ptrace() that does not help you *at all* | 14:27 |
| pitti | Kees and I talked about this, and he also would like to disable ptrace() by default | 14:27 |
| pitti | that's a slight inconvenience for developers, since they have to enable it to use gdb, strace, etc. | 14:28 |
| Keybuk | sadly I'm not helping that battle | 14:28 |
| pitti | but it's well worth it, IMHO | 14:28 |
| Keybuk | since Upstart *uses* ptrace | 14:28 |
| pitti | Keybuk: upstart == root, isn't it? | 14:28 |
| Keybuk | right | 14:28 |
| pitti | (it should only be disabled for normal users) | 14:28 |
| Keybuk | certainly user ptrace should be off by default | 14:28 |
| pitti | no reason to disable it for root | 14:28 |
| Keybuk | there should be a "I'm a developer" switch that enables ptrace and disables apport :) | 14:28 |
| pitti | something like that, yeah | 14:29 |
| seb128 | and change the yelp icon to a gnome-terminal one | 14:29 |
| Keybuk | seb128: ? | 14:29 |
| mvo | devel mode | 14:29 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: the icons you have on the default panel, I expect developer to want a command line rather than yelp there | 14:29 |
| pitti | once we have that, I'm fine with using PK for everything, since then it is equivalent protection like our current gksu (which is also susceptible to X event injection) | 14:30 |
| pitti | seb128: heh :) | 14:30 |
| pitti | so, any objection to this approach? we'll get PK for things that make good use of it, but continue to use gksudo for the main set of admin GUIs | 14:30 |
| Keybuk | seb128: if only yelp did devhelp stuff ;) | 14:30 |
| Keybuk | (one of my private annoyances) | 14:30 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti, looks a good approc | 14:31 | |
| Keybuk | pitti: what kind of timeline can we disable ptrace for users? | 14:31 |
| pitti | then we can at least drop libpam-foreground and the nasty hacks in g-v-m, g-p-m, nm-applet, etc. to only work on the currently active session | 14:31 |
| Keybuk | pitti: absolutely no objection; it's better than pam-foreground so should immediately replace that | 14:31 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I don't know | 14:31 |
| * pitti makes a note to mail kernel team and Kees | 14:31 | |
| pitti | the more interesting question is probably how to enable it again | 14:31 |
| pitti | disabling it is probably trivial | 14:31 |
| pitti | it would become a sysctl, but that might not be the most obvious interface | 14:32 |
| pitti | so we need to build something on top of it | 14:32 |
| pitti | (maybe patch strace and gdb to give an explanation?) | 14:32 |
| Keybuk | echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/root-me-root-me-root-me | 14:32 |
| Keybuk | ptrace has a CAP now, doesn't it? | 14:33 |
| pitti | "please uncomment kernel.user_ptrace in /etc/sysctl.conf" or so | 14:33 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I think it always had it | 14:33 |
| pitti | CAP_SYS_PTRACE | 14:33 |
| pitti | oh, sorry | 14:33 |
| pitti | that's only to trace processes which do not belong to you | 14:33 |
| pitti | a sysctl and useful explanation errors in strace and gdb seems like a reasonable start? | 14:35 |
| Keybuk | yup, very | 14:35 |
| Keybuk | if (((current->uid != task->euid) || | 14:35 |
| Keybuk | (current->uid != task->suid) || | 14:35 |
| Keybuk | (current->uid != task->uid) || | 14:35 |
| Keybuk | (current->gid != task->egid) || | 14:35 |
| Keybuk | (current->gid != task->sgid) || | 14:35 |
| Keybuk | (current->gid != task->gid)) && !capable(CAP_SYS_PTRACE)) | 14:35 |
| Keybuk | return -EPERM; | 14:35 |
| pitti | ACTION: pitti to mail kees and kernel team about disabling ptrace and re-enabling interface | 14:35 |
| pitti | (argh, I can't do that, can I) | 14:35 |
| Keybuk | can't do which? | 14:35 |
| Keybuk | oh, I gave up with mootbot after about the second meeting | 14:36 |
| * pitti adds it to his personal TODO list | 14:36 | |
| seb128 | pitti: is there any bot set for the meeting? | 14:36 |
| pitti | Keybuk: ACTION: | 14:36 |
| pitti | nevermind | 14:36 |
| Keybuk | the fact only the chair can do actions means I have to see, copy and paste them anyway | 14:36 |
| Keybuk | so s/mootbot/tomboy/ :) | 14:36 |
| siretart | sounds easy to fix, though | 14:36 |
| pitti | so, I'm done with the topic, unless someone else has questions? | 14:36 |
| Keybuk | ok, next topic then | 14:37 |
| Keybuk | Patches | 14:37 |
| Keybuk | send your patches upstream and to Debian whenever you can | 14:37 |
| Keybuk | :-) | 14:37 |
| pitti | ++ | 14:37 |
| Keybuk | jcastro can help you find your upstream, and find out from them how they want patches delivered and at what threshold | 14:37 |
| Keybuk | (this is going to be the topic of the next six months) | 14:38 |
| Keybuk | {ted}: well done for stepping up to deal with g-p-m so quickly! | 14:38 |
| pitti | now, at merge time, this is an excellent time to do so, when we clean up our patches and adopt them to the current version | 14:38 |
| Keybuk | exactly | 14:38 |
| seb128 | we will start using tags for desktop packages soon, I just need to mail the list to settle the tags list etc | 14:38 |
| Keybuk | this is something we're not terrible at anyway; but we can always be brilliant | 14:38 |
| seb128 | like adding bugzilla and launchpad bug numbers and a description in the patches | 14:38 |
| MacSlow | Keybuk, I will see to get as much as possible from my gutsy-work to Vincent | 14:39 |
| {ted} | tags? | 14:39 |
| seb128 | and we will not accepted easily patches which are not sent upstream first | 14:39 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, I thought you meant https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Debian/Usertagging | 14:39 |
| seb128 | {ted}: comments on the top of the patch | 14:39 |
| MacSlow | Keybuk, I talked with Vincent already at UDS and know how he expects the stuff | 14:39 |
| seb128 | pitti: what we discussed in Sevilla | 14:39 |
| pitti | Fedora's policy is that they do not apply and upload a patch before it is reported upstream | 14:39 |
| pitti | quite rigid, but effective apparently | 14:40 |
| seb128 | they don't respect it apparently | 14:40 |
| Keybuk | pitti: Fedora are upstream for almost everything in their distirbution | 14:40 |
| Keybuk | and the things that they aren't, they certainly bloody well don't do that | 14:40 |
| seb128 | because I browse their viewcvs quite often and they do have some patches which are not upstream there | 14:40 |
| Keybuk | look at the number of patches to things like sysvinit which they have | 14:40 |
| Keybuk | (Debian is upstream for sysvinit) | 14:40 |
| pitti | well, that's what Lennart told me anyway | 14:40 |
| pitti | (and he does) | 14:40 |
| seb128 | we will try to do the same for desktop packages | 14:41 |
| pitti | anyway, I just think it's an idea to be considered | 14:41 |
| seb128 | would probably be nice to not limit to desktop but I can't speak for other teams ;-) | 14:41 |
| Keybuk | amusingly | 14:41 |
| Keybuk | Fedora has patches in their RPMs for packages that they are upstream for | 14:41 |
| jcastro | seb128: do you have it written down someplace what the desktop patch policy for gnome will be? | 14:41 |
| pitti | heh | 14:41 |
| pitti | "Bow to seb128, buy him a beer, give him a hug" | 14:42 |
| seb128 | jcastro: no, as said I need to mail the list, it's on my TODO for this week to discuss it, then I'll write it on the wiki and let you know | 14:42 |
| Keybuk | but our goal here isn't to pick fault in other distributions ability to send patches back | 14:42 |
| Keybuk | but to make sure nobody can pick fault with us :) | 14:42 |
| Keybuk | I already think we do a better job than anybody else | 14:42 |
| * mvo is very happy about this policy! | 14:42 | |
| Keybuk | but we can always do better | 14:42 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: depending of the "we" | 14:42 |
| seb128 | I think it's less than optimal in MOTU land | 14:43 |
| pitti | *nod* | 14:43 |
| Keybuk | that's possibly true | 14:43 |
| pitti | this should probably be incorporated into the MOTU training process | 14:43 |
| seb128 | anyway that's OT for this meeting probably | 14:43 |
| Keybuk | that's the end of my list of topics | 14:43 |
| Keybuk | any other business? | 14:43 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: it already is, community side. | 14:44 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: it hasn't always been that way, though | 14:44 |
| pitti | but good to know that it is like that now | 14:44 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: has been emphasised in the las tcouple of releases, but perhaps not enough, making it mandatory, etc. | 14:45 |
| Riddell | have we considered asking QA for help with New queue and archive admin? | 14:45 |
| * MacSlow forgot lunch today | 14:46 | |
| Riddell | since New queue is essentially QA | 14:46 |
| seb128 | it should not be | 14:46 |
| seb128 | what is uploaded should have been QA reviewed first | 14:46 |
| dholbach | we have a lot of MOTUs feeding back patches and in sponsoring bugs it is requested a lot, though the degree of feeding of course back varies | 14:46 |
| Riddell | seb128: what should it be then? | 14:47 |
| pitti | isn't that a classic archive-admin task? | 14:47 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell motu's, etc, should be doing the job of qa | 14:47 |
| Hobbsee | as in, checking it. | 14:47 |
| Riddell | the emphasis is different from revu et al, but it's essentially just another check | 14:47 |
| Hobbsee | there shouldnt *be* anything in that queue that isnt fine to upload. although i'm aware that it's not the case. | 14:48 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: it's not that bad, though | 14:48 |
| seb128 | well, I would not trust all the QA people to accept packages in the archive | 14:48 |
| pitti | most rejections are due to licensing issues, not due to bad packaging | 14:48 |
| pitti | (IME anyway) | 14:48 |
| Keybuk | (no other business? => end of meeting, to let you continue the discussion) | 14:48 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: thanks | 14:48 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 14:48 |
| Keybuk | if you haven't already done so, make sure you get your performance review feedback in by tomorrow (for canonical staff except MacSlow and {ted}) | 14:48 |
| mvo | thanks | 14:49 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: true, but motu's should be doing licencing too, no? | 14:49 |
| Riddell | seb128: indeed, I'd be unsure if there's enough packaging experience | 14:49 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: they should, yes | 14:49 |
| * Hobbsee should be in bed. night all. | 14:49 | |
| seb128 | Riddell: not only packaging, I'm not sure QA people know or care about licenses | 14:49 |
| seb128 | Hobbsee: 'night | 14:50 |
| Riddell | I include caring about licence in packaging expertese :) | 14:50 |
| pitti | Riddell: btw, seb128 and I thought a "do three source NEWs a day" approach for the three of us would work; WDYT? | 14:50 |
| seb128 | pitti: works for me | 14:50 |
| pitti | (until the current backlog is finished) | 14:50 |
| seb128 | should we claim the packages we review somewhere? | 14:50 |
| pitti | then, with so many archive days we shouldn't get a big backlog anytime soon | 14:50 |
| Riddell | that would take about 6 weeks to clear the backlog | 14:51 |
| pitti | Riddell: no, it's only 30ish Ubuntu source NEWs | 14:51 |
| seb128 | Riddell: there is not so many source NEW, that should rather be a week | 14:51 |
| Riddell | right, does seem like a good idea | 14:51 |
| MacSlow | he's taking the shower now I bet | 14:51 |
| pitti | ok, seems we are done; thanks again everyone | 14:52 |
| seb128 | thanks pitti | 14:52 |
| * MacSlow goes for late lunch now | 14:53 | |
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