[00:00] soren: i grab-merge the package "yappy". my teacher norsetto told me to modify the changelog and add my name and e-mail address. but i don't know how to do. [00:00] s1024k1: It's a textfile. Open it in an editor and go nuts. :) [00:00] Either that or use "dch -e" [00:01] soren: what does "dch -e" do? [00:01] Open the changelog in an editor and changes the e-mail adress to yours. [00:02] soren: okay. thanks. so after i modify the file, must i re-compile the package? [00:02] You could just try it or look at the man page if you think I'm trying to trick you into something evil :) [00:03] s1024k1: Depends on what you want to do. [00:03] soren: i want to upload it of course, after the job has been done... [00:03] s1024k1: Then you just need to create the source package. [00:04] I suppose you could say "compile the source package". [00:04] * ajmitch usually forgets about the various things that dch does [00:05] mostly because emacs spoils me :) [00:05] "spoils" is not quite the word I'd use. [00:05] :) [00:05] soren: i used "grab-merge" to grab and merge the package already. and then i modify the changelog and the control file, add my messages in the files. and what next? [00:05] treats me to a gourmet meal with fine wine? :) [00:06] ajmitch: Rather something that starts with a b and rhymes with cutpuck. [00:07] s1024k1: build the source package with something like 'debuild -S' [00:07] * ajmitch tries to think of a word that fits [00:08] "backpacker potluck" [00:08] ajmitch: thank you. after i building the package again i can get something final for upload already? [00:08] that builds a source package - you can use that to build binaries using pbuilder, if you have that setup [00:09] ajmitch: thank you. [00:09] * ajmitch wonders why soren is even still awake & on irc :) [00:09] * soren wonders the same thing [00:10] too busy with server stuff, I'm sure [00:10] because he's DEDICATED [00:10] that's one word for it [00:16] hm [00:24] just now i want to get a new account in irc.freenode.net, but i found that my nick name in irc.ubuntu.com was changed... strange. does anyone know why? [00:24] irc.ubuntu.com == irc.freenode.net [00:26] hi all [00:26] Fujitsu, is octave2.9.17 in the repos? [00:26] StevenK: okay, thanks. but i want to use the same nickname to login because people know me as that nick name... but when i use pidgin just now, i saw my nick name was changed... [00:27] StevenK: now i am in window, using Xchat. I am afriaid that when i comeback to Pidgin the same thing happen... [00:27] If you try and sign in using both xchat and pidgin the same thing will happen [00:28] how do i find the latest version of a package? [00:28] i think its some ! trigger and ubotu or someone responds [00:28] !info libc6 hardy [00:28] libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.6.1-6ubuntu2 (hardy), package size 4093 kB, installed size 10136 kB [00:28] !info octave2.9 hardy [00:28] StevenK: no, i am using one tool each time. [00:28] octave2.9: GNU Octave language for numerical computations (2.9 branch). In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.9.12-2ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 7869 kB, installed size 26840 kB [00:29] umm.. seems like its not in yet [00:29] thanks StevenK [00:29] s1024kb: Shrug. Ask in #freenode? [00:29] freakabcd: Nice timing. The sources are, but something strange happened with wx 2.6, so it was uninstallable. [00:29] wx 2.6 ? [00:29] whats the deps with wx ? [00:31] It needs the development packages to build, and they are currently uninstallable. [00:31] Fujitsu, ok. i know what you mean. but you said '...wx 2.6...' [00:31] what is this dependency? i don;t think octave needs this [00:33] Fujitsu, is it possible to have the src package backported to gutsy _before_ getting it ready for hardy? i'm pretty sure we can get it going on gutsy [00:33] It is against policy to backport it before it's known to work in the development release, for good reason. [00:33] For what reason do you need it so absolutely urgently? [00:35] well, i've already got octave and octave-forge compiled and installed on my machine (manually, no debs). just thought it would be nice to have packages. Also, octave-forge packaging is being discussed actively right now, so i thought i might be able to contribute. [00:35] but i don;t run hardy and can work only in gutsy. [00:40] Fujitsu, were there non-trivial changes to be made changing the src package from 2.9.12 to current(2.9.17?) [00:40] if not, i want to have a go at building a package for octave2.9.17 (obviously this is not to be made for universe, just personal use) [00:41] Heya gang [00:41] freakabcd: You could always grab the source package from Debian and build it for your own system. That should work, and is fairly trivial. [00:41] Hi bddebian. [00:42] Heya Fujitsu [00:43] imbrandon, you here still? [00:54] Fujitsu, i've got another question: why is g77 still noted in deps for some packages? i thought gfortran was a drop in replacement [01:01] freakabcd: I'm pretty sure it's not a drop-in replacement, as there were/are migration issues. === asac_ is now known as asac [01:07] Fujitsu, fair enough. would there be some webpage mentioning/discussing the issues encountered? [01:09] Possibly, but I really have very little idea. [01:14] Fujitsu, is there a way to find out which packages depend on g77 ? [01:15] i'd like to see this list and find out the reasons (if any) they fail to work with gfortran [01:15] Is there an howto about "ubuntise" a debian package ? [01:16] Stemp: Nothing should be necessary, other than rebuilding it in an Ubuntu environment. [01:16] Shouldn't need to if it's in Debian [01:17] aren't there changelog naming conventions to adhere to? [01:17] with regard to Stemp's question [01:17] Only if it needs to differ from Debian [01:17] well, the repos are named differently, yes? [01:18] main/restricted/universe/multiverse versus main/contrib/unstable, etc [01:18] and gutsy/hardy [01:18] i had built some source the other day, tried to upload it to PPA and it complained to me for the changelog naming [01:18] changelog? where? :P [01:19] lol [01:19] :D [01:19] changelogs don't complain, they bitch and wine :-| [01:19] Rejected: [01:19] Unable to find distroseries: unstable [01:19] Further error processing not possible because of a critical previous error. [01:19] is what PPA sent to me [01:19] red wine? [01:19] with cheese? [01:19] j/k [01:19] alvinc: You could have just uploaded to /hardy or /gutsy or similar. [01:20] Most of our packages have unstable in the changelog, because they're taken bit-identically from Debian. [01:20] ah. as my PPA ignorance shines through [01:20] Fujitsu: If you wouldn't mind pointing me at the correct procedure for that, I'd be much obliged [01:20] I tried doctoring it in changelog [01:21] it got a little further [01:21] alvinc: There's a bug open about the lack of documentation. [01:21] I think that if you upload to ~username/ubuntu/somerelease it should override. [01:21] here was the second round of PPA giving me the finger: [01:21] Rejected: [01:21] Upload is binaryful, but policy refuses binaryful uploads. [01:21] Upload is source/binary but policy refuses mixed uploads. [01:21] PPA uploads must be for the RELEASE pocket. [01:21] lol [01:21] so it should be easy, just dch -i and dbuild -S -sa right ? [01:22] I really need a motu mentor, by the way. :( Been trying to get one for a month now. [01:22] I wonder if I can get one on EBay [01:22] alvinc: You didn't build with -S. [01:22] just kidding [01:22] Exactly. :) [01:22] You tried to upload _i386.changes, when you needed _source.changes. [01:22] But it got past the distro error [01:22] My final attempt worked [01:22] but, as i said, i had doctored the changelog to make it work [01:22] (with all due respect to changelog) [01:23] here is what i put: [01:23] iscsitarget (0.4.15-ubuntu1) gutsy-backports; urgency=low [01:23] * Added initd.ubuntu, due to Ubuntu using /bin/ash as the default target [01:23] of /bin/sh, changed debian/iscsitarget.init (Fixes: #160106) [01:23] * Fix build failure on feisty and gutsy (Fixes: #160104) [01:23] -- Alvin Cura Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:32:37 -0800 [01:23] i bet i'm not supposed to do that. :) [01:23] You can't upload to backports. [01:24] THat's the RELEASE pocket error. -backports is the BACKPORTS pocket. [01:24] ah ha... [01:24] *sigh* so much to learn [01:24] ubuntu1 not 0ubuntu1 ? [01:24] (And that would be the wrong version number if you were uploading to backports) [01:24] This isn't actually documented anywhere, of course. [01:24] Stemp: Why are you changing the versioning? [01:24] Now I am *really* going to cry [01:24] I googled a lot trying to find docs on it [01:24] Then I started hack-n-slashing [01:25] And there is a bug open about allowing uploads to the various other pockets. [01:25] Fujitsu: because on my package (midori) Debian packager changed the home page to debian.org [01:25] Ah. [01:25] What is the Debian version? [01:26] actuelly 0.0.10 [01:26] actually [01:26] but the source is since yesterday 0.0.11 [01:26] i really need to get this stuff all figured out [01:26] That's the whole Debian version? No -1 or anything? [01:26] i've got various fixes for several bugs ready to go, but i'm a moron on uploading. :( [01:27] lots of stuff that broke in linking /bin/sh to dash, you see. [01:27] easy fixes [01:27] alvinc: Why are you uploading them to a PPA? [01:27] Wouldn't it be better to have them in the Ubuntu archive? [01:27] Don't they need to be evaluated first? [01:27] Fujitsu: nah, the Debian version for midori is 0.0.10-1 [01:27] Fujitsu : 0.0.10-1 [01:27] I was going to have a friend apt-get my work, test it on his boxes [01:27] slangasek: Thanks. [01:27] and then annotate the bug [01:28] Stemp: Right, so the version with Ubuntu changes would be 0.0.10-1ubuntu1. [01:28] I don't know how to upload to the actual archive anyway. ROFL [01:28] I can't even upload to PPA [01:28] lol [01:28] alvinc: You can't upload to the actual archive; you need to attach a debdiff to a bug and get it sponsored. [01:28] Thanks Fujitsu, it's so obvious, i feel dumb :D [01:28] Thought so. [01:29] So that was why I was trying to put it in my PPA and make notes in the bug [01:29] So that someone could read it [01:29] You will need to attach a debdiff and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors. We don't review from PPAs. [01:29] I really was about to make a repo at home and make notes in the bug [01:29] ah ha..... [01:30] googling ubuntu-universe-sponsors now [01:30] thanks Fujitsu. :) [01:30] Damn, one less word I can tab-complete :( [01:30] alvinc: Why googling? [01:30] !sponsor [01:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about sponsor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [01:30] !sponsorship [01:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about sponsorship - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [01:30] Must be here somewher.e [01:30] !uus [01:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about uus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [01:30] lol [01:31] See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing. [01:31] That has useful information on what you're trying to do. [01:31] so... communication here is done in a mailing list? not in launchpad? [01:32] What gives you that idea? [01:32] You said to subscribe to the list? [01:32] I'm sorry, did I misunderstand? [01:33] Attach a debdiff to the bug, and subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors team to the bug. [01:33] Oh..... [01:33] Thanks Fujitsu [01:38] I have another dumb question, I get the debian package source from midori. I don't want the change (google.com to debian.org). So I remove the patche directory, run dhc -v 1ubuntu1, add to changelog New upstream ? is that all ? [01:40] It's not a new upstream... [01:40] You would say `Dropped patch to change homepage to debian.org' or similar. [01:40] ok [01:41] and if there is nothing to change ? [01:42] Then you don't make any changes, and it should be synced automatically. [01:42] Fujitsu, for updating a bug in Launchpad.... [01:42] thanks Fujitsu [01:43] If I attach a debdiff, do I check "This attachment is a patch"? [01:43] alvinc: You should yes. [01:43] +, [01:43] Thank you === asac_ is now known as asac [01:48] Thanks again Fujitsu. I attached debdiffs and subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug [01:48] alvinc: Thanks. [01:52] Fujitsu, what is the criteria for differentiating universe from multiverse, I'm curious? [01:53] universe is free software, multiverse is not [01:54] btw heya [01:54] oh... [01:54] okay, so better question: the difference between restricted and multiverse? ;) [01:54] or partner and multiverse? [01:55] partner is software that is not redistributable except by the vendor , multiverse can be distributed but is not OSS [01:56] restricted is binary blobs required to run the system, like frirmware [01:56] restricted is like multiverse, but supported. [01:56] Like main to universe. [01:57] thanks. :) [01:57] restricted doesn't have software does it? [01:57] only drivers and firmware [01:58] afaik yes [01:58] doh, should have looked at imbrandon's response first [01:58] :-p [01:59] LaserJock: It has MySQL documentation too. [01:59] I don't know if it's the right channel to post my question but how do you get some extras packages into your pbuilder system ? [01:59] And probably some other things. [02:00] Stemp: one way is to "sudo pbuilder login --save-after-login" and install them, but that will taint your pbuilder for further use and you should make a backup of the tgz first [02:00] and restore it once finished [02:01] I want to include libwebkitgtk and I hope it will be in Hardy ;) [02:01] We have webkit in Gutsy... [02:01] !info libwebkitgdk0d [02:02] !info libwebkitgdk0d gutsy [02:02] !ping [02:02] that's the problem [02:02] pong [02:02] gdk not gtk [02:03] Web content engine library for Gtk+ [02:03] looks gtk to me [02:03] It is the GTK+ variant. [02:03] What do you want it for? [02:03] http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/libs/libwebkitgdk0d [02:04] for epiphany-webkit and midori [02:04] epiphany-webkit builds with the aforementioned package. [02:04] http://packages.debian.org/sid/libwebkitgtk0d [02:04] (I know because I've done it multiple times) [02:05] We have that in Hardy. [02:05] hey Hobbsee [02:05] Stemp: its in hardy [02:06] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libs/libwebkitgtk0d [02:06] yes it's probably in Hardy but in my pbuilder (hardy) it is not :( [02:06] * ajmitch chased hobbsee away [02:06] you probably need to run "sudo pbuilder update" then [02:07] I did it [02:07] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=445060 [02:07] Debian bug 445060 in libwebkitgdk0d "webkit: should be renamed to libwebkitgtk0d" [Minor,Fixed] [02:07] *snicker* [02:08] alvinc: ? [02:08] sorry, spelling error, i found it funny [02:08] gdk versus gtk [02:08] Stemp: if you ran pbuilder update and its still not avail then you have other issues [02:08] It's not a spelling error. [02:08] ok imbrandon [02:08] Upstream renamed it. [02:09] either your not running hardy pbuilder or dont have universe enabled [02:09] the latter is more likely [02:09] universe for webkit ? [02:09] libwebkitgtk0d is in universe [02:09] * ajmitch tries not to chase Hobbsee away this time [02:10] It's certianly not officially supported by Cannonical :) [02:10] why ? not free software ? [02:10] universe is unsupported free software. [02:11] Canonical can't support *everything*... [02:11] unsupported or community-supported [02:11] *Especially* libraries that haven't even been released. [02:11] speaking of Canonical... what's the name of the team that takes care of main? [02:11] but webkit ~= khtml ? no ? [02:11] is there stuff to read? [02:11] alvinc: ubuntu-core-dev [02:11] Stemp: It forked quite some time ago... [02:12] frankly i'm still interested in the varrun varlock drama that causes all kinds of headaches when I FAI a new box. :) [02:12] Stemp: no, its a fork of khtml but != khtml [02:12] ajmitch: sorry. konvi borked. [02:12] apple forked the code quite some time ago [02:12] Heya Hobbsee. [02:12] greetings ScottK2 [02:12] ello Hobbsee [02:12] Hobbsee: ok, so you're not running away? [02:12] ajmitch: afraid not. [02:12] Hobbsee: How goes the battle against the evil corporate consipiracy? [02:13] ScottK2: erm...i cant talk about it :) [02:13] Ah. Right, wouldn't want to dampen the mood. [02:13] * ScottK2 holds big smile and thinks happy thoughts [02:15] hehe [02:15] So I came back to my hotel for lunch today and found the building next door to be on fire. Hopefully the evening will be quieter. [02:15] as in, i did not get a gag order - i'm just choosing not to talk about various bits, related to canonical. [02:15] Fun. [02:16] yay, fire! [02:16] * ajmitch takes the matches& petrol away from Hobbsee [02:16] * Hobbsee still has teh sparklers and looks for an aerosol can. [02:16] It had really great big billowing clouds of black smoke, but actually got put out pretty quickly. [02:16] Good Evening Everyone [02:17] ScottK2: from the build daemons? [02:17] :P [02:17] joejaxx: No, the building next to my hotel. [02:17] interesting [02:17] Business travel is fun! [02:17] :) [02:17] Fire is more fun. [02:17] But combining the two... [02:17] ScottK2: no it's not! [02:18] Ah. forgot the [02:20] gah. i suspect my question was already answered, but my scroll buffer is full [02:20] i'm sorry [02:21] here goes: how does one submit a package from debian experimental for consideration for ubuntu universe? [02:21] the leperchaun told me to burn things [02:22] alvinc: You ask for it to be sync'd, after you're really sure that the reason it's in experimental doesn't matter :) [02:22] alvinc: there isnt a strict policy, it could be a sync or could go through REVU, i'd push the REVU way, its in expirmental for a reason [02:23] imbrandon: Why not a sync? [02:23] well, it's new, for sure [02:23] If it needs a change to deal with whyever it's in experimental, then merge it. [02:23] lzma-dev and friends for squashfs [02:23] ..... , its in expirmental for a reason [02:23] imbrandon: Right, but REVU doesn't help that. [02:23] * Fujitsu would strongly advise against touching squashfs stuff. [02:23] Fujitsu: ? [02:24] ScottK2: it dosent? Reviewing new software before it hits the arcive never hurt either [02:24] The Canonical distro team will likely deal with that, and get annoyed if you meddle in it. [02:24] * ScottK2 has only sync'ed from Expermental twice. One of those experiences convinced him to be very careful. [02:24] Scottk2: Do tell? [02:24] imbrandon: Sure, but a sync bug sent to UUS would accomplish the same goal. [02:25] Fujitsu: Annoyed? Did I step in a steaming pile with this one? ;) [02:25] alvinc: What are you wanting to do with squashfs? No sponsor is going to go near that, as it's very touchy and prone to breaking on a lot of systems. [02:25] Ah... [02:25] alvinc: Yeah, I didn't understand why something was in experimental, needed it to fix something else, and then it took 3 or 4 uploads to fix why it was in experimental, including having to Tom Sawyer nixternal into fixing some stuff I couldn't figure out. [02:26] no wonder he went to vista... [02:26] I'll try to be brief. Kind of hard to do. [02:26] Having to Tom Sawyer? Is that like volutold? [02:26] AMD low power hardware comes cheaply here in Silicon Valley these days [02:26] Cisco hardware is still very spendy [02:26] fixing bug is so fun! [02:26] But use of aufs, squashfs with lzma, and friends.... [02:26] I can fit a Quagga router onto a compact flash [02:26] StevenK: No, it's convincing someone that work you are supposed to do will be fun/interesting so you won't have to do it. [02:26] And run it reliably drawing 47 Watts [02:27] very very useful [02:27] 47 sounds like a lot [02:27] ScottK2: Haha [02:27] StevenK: In Tom Sawyer, he gets told to paint a fence and does such a great job convincing other people painting the fence is fun, he avoids having to do it himself. [02:27] 47 watts is kinda high for low power stuff :) [02:27] So with the combination of google, and some headache in finding the right concoction of sources.list..... I got a kernel to build which boots squashfs/lzma off a compact flash, does the AUFS thing, and voila [02:28] ScottK2: they dont read american classics in australia i guess [02:28] Well, of course imbrandon... But this is off-the-shelf parts [02:28] pwnguin: I guess not. [02:28] alvinc: So is ARM [02:28] You can Newegg yourself an OSPF router this way, without funky cases and MiniITX boards and stuff [02:28] StevenK: You should read some Mark Twain. Very good stuff. [02:28] I have read Tom Sawyer - it was just over ten years ago [02:28] StevenK: Ah. OK then. [02:29] pwnguin: I have a little Buffalo Terastation which I believe has an embedded ARM processor [02:29] ScottK2: You'll let me off with that, then? :-) [02:29] alvinc: heh or i can just load openwrt on a off the shelf router, but i see your point ( kinda ) [02:29] I'm a little less than impressed at its RAID-5 performance [02:29] heh [02:29] StevenK: No. I was just about to mention that's probably 15 years more recently than I've read it. [02:30] well, raid5 involves xoring massive amounts of data [02:30] But seriously, at today's cheap RAM prices... I cheaply scored a MicroATX mobo, and Antec Minuet case, 2G of ECC RAM, la la la [02:30] ScottK2: Hah [02:30] no moving parts [02:30] Compact Flash booting [02:30] Anyhow, it was nifty [02:30] alvinc: there's also gumstix ;) [02:30] pwnguin: You're gonna make me google that now? lol [02:30] alvinc: and the nlsu2 [02:30] gumstix or nano-itx [02:31] w/ cf cards [02:31] alvinc: the nlsu2 should have better raid5 [02:31] * pwnguin wonders if anyone ever got a gumstix to commect to a usb keyboard, mouse and CRT [02:31] because that would be l33t [02:31] * nixternal remembers ScottK2's intentions [02:32] wow, that's slick. but pwnguin... that gumstix mobo costs the same as all the parts i picked up new... with a hole lot less RAM [02:32] cvc cook ScottK2.recip [02:32] +e [02:32] alvinc: well, you're ignoring the power costs, but point taken ^_^ [02:32] cvc add ScottK2.recipe && cvc ci [02:32] alvinc: size costs [02:32] * ajmitch throws a copy of vista at nixternal [02:32] :-D [02:32] * nixternal throws a copy of Foresight at Ubuntu! [02:32] alvinc: you can build a nano-itx x86 with the same specs much smaller and just as cheap [02:32] :p [02:32] size, power, and parts to break [02:32] also your gumstix thing means less spares to keep [02:32] plus less watts [02:33] * nixternal wants PICO! [02:33] less spares of what? [02:33] * nixternal needs PICO MONEY! [02:33] well, mucho money [02:33] things that break. RAM sticks, spare mobo, spare cpu, etc etc etc [02:33] yea the pico-itx are sweet, just a bit pricy [02:33] yup [02:33] whoever uses pico should be shot [02:33] imbrandon: you got me addicted sauce lapper [02:33] nixternal: lol [02:34] If I were to propose using such a thing at work, I'd definitely get the book thrown at me for spares and stuff [02:34] with that damn c64 keyboard [02:34] I had to sneak in a Quagga router as it was [02:34] zul: a MB CHIP RAM , basicly everything in a pack of smokes == pico-itx [02:34] I wanted to subnet, and they didn't want to spend on a Cisco, and I didn't want to wait [02:34] imbrandon, ah i thought you were talking about the text editor [02:34] alvinc: spare RAM? [02:34] nonsense [02:35] I don't know about you, but DDR2 has been pretty finicky for me [02:35] 240 pins, more stuff to screw up [02:35] well its soldiered on pretty good and designed to be compatible [02:35] alvinc: either way , back to the real topic, yes you can do the expirmental thing, but you will have to bug the right people in core-dev as it will be tricky [02:35] I've had 3 different guys at work break several boxes by He-Man(tm)-ing the RAM into slots [02:35] [ zul] imbrandon, ah i thought you were talking about the text editor [02:35] gahahah! [02:36] zul: so people who use nano should be shot as well right? [02:36] :) [02:36] lets get um! [02:36]