LaserJock | bdoin: subscribed, thanks | 00:08 |
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bdoin | LaserJock: for the translations issue, you thing something can be done for gutsy ? | 00:09 |
bazz | Silly qusetion...where would I look for ldm to play with settings? Are there any flat files for it? | 00:13 |
johnny_ | it's lts.conf | 00:16 |
johnny_ | those are the settings for it | 00:16 |
bazz | darn.... | 00:17 |
johnny_ | to get what you want, you'll prolly have to write some code | 00:17 |
johnny_ | or get somebody else to write it for you | 00:17 |
bazz | I wish I could write code..... | 00:18 |
bazz | think there would be anyone out there interested inn doing it | 00:18 |
johnny_ | nobody i know | 00:18 |
johnny_ | except for pay obviously | 00:18 |
bazz | yeah... | 00:19 |
johnny_ | you should write out a description of exactly what you need, your post needs to be elaborated on | 00:19 |
bazz | then post to the group? | 00:19 |
johnny_ | yes | 00:20 |
bazz | cool...I will give that a go | 00:21 |
bazz | I have a few things I'm gonna try first...see what happens | 00:22 |
LaserJock | bdoin: I really don't know, we have a fairly high barrier on what can go into the -updates repositories | 00:29 |
LaserJock | bdoin: we can't have hundreds and hundreds of new packages going in | 00:30 |
bdoin | but gcompris translations are in a separate common translation package no ? | 00:30 |
LaserJock | bdoin: on the other hand, if I can get a new translation put into the lang packs, which are updated something like monthly | 00:31 |
LaserJock | without messing around with the gcompris package itself | 00:31 |
LaserJock | I think we'd have a shot | 00:31 |
LaserJock | I just don't have enough experience with translations to know exactly how difficult it'd be | 00:31 |
LaserJock | but I can look into it and ask around | 00:31 |
LaserJock | I'm still not 100% positive on what the problem is | 00:32 |
LaserJock | are we just carrying old translations? or are they incomplete translations of the new versions | 00:32 |
bdoin | well we already have very good translations that we ship with each release. we are very formal on string freeze and it's sad it ends up so messy on Ubuntu | 00:32 |
bdoin | in many languages, GCompris is just not usable in schools | 00:34 |
LaserJock | bdoin: because of Ubuntu messing up the translations? | 00:40 |
bdoin | yes | 00:41 |
LaserJock | well that's not cool | 00:43 |
LaserJock | we certianly shouldn't be making things worse | 00:43 |
bdoin | teachers in primary education does rarely speak english, at least in france. currently, when you launch GCompris in french, you have to dig around the menus to find something translated. | 00:43 |
bdoin | it's just annoying when translation are broken on some application but for the GCompris target and shool audience of Edubuntu, it's a show stopper | 00:46 |
* bdoin have to sleep, bye | 00:47 | |
LaserJock | bdoin: well, I'm very sorry and I'll do my best to get this all cleaned up | 00:48 |
bdoin | thanks a lot, be assured that it's really important for non english speaker and it's a must for the credibility of edubuntu in the educational market | 00:49 |
LaserJock | I agree | 00:50 |
bdoin | bye | 00:50 |
johnny_ | anybody have a problem with firefox not completely closing on exit with ltsp? | 01:11 |
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johny | hi there | 03:49 |
johny | I need help mounting an ntfs drive please | 03:49 |
scrapbunny | is anyone having issues with 7.10 running slow on thin clients | 03:51 |
johny | I'm having issues mounting an ntfs drive | 03:52 |
scrapbunny | are you running edubuntu stand alone or as thin client? | 03:53 |
johny | I think it's the stand alone | 03:54 |
johny | I have tried a few faq's and websites but it still doesn't work | 03:54 |
johny | other than that I'm having good success with it and and happy | 03:54 |
johny | als I'm still a newbie | 03:55 |
johny | alas even | 03:55 |
scrapbunny | is this with 7.10? I'm a newbie too but will try to help :) | 03:55 |
johnny_ | you have to use ntfs-3g | 03:55 |
johnny_ | if you want read/write that is | 03:55 |
johny | it says that that driver is installed | 03:56 |
johny | yes it is 7.10 | 03:56 |
johny | I get an error msg | 03:57 |
scrapbunny | what is the message? | 03:57 |
johny | something about it wasn't dismounted properly | 03:57 |
johny | I treid what it said | 03:57 |
johny | and it didn't work | 03:57 |
scrapbunny | so have you ever been able to mount the drive? | 03:59 |
johny | no I havn't | 03:59 |
johny | not since the instal | 03:59 |
scrapbunny | do you have more than one user set up on this computer? | 04:00 |
johny | just me | 04:01 |
johny | when I try to acces it it says that I don't have permission tough | 04:01 |
johny | though even | 04:01 |
johny | used to say that | 04:02 |
johny | now it says unclean shut down | 04:02 |
johny | failed to mount | 04:02 |
johny | cannont mount volume | 04:02 |
johny | whem I click details it says | 04:02 |
johny | unclean shut down | 04:03 |
scrapbunny | when you click on system, Administration, then users and groups what does it show? | 04:04 |
scrapbunny | should be root and then your account | 04:04 |
johny | yes it does show that | 04:04 |
scrapbunny | can you click on your account and then Properties? | 04:05 |
johny | yes that works | 04:06 |
scrapbunny | then click the user priviledges and make sure administer system is checked | 04:07 |
johny | I checked it now | 04:07 |
scrapbunny | it wasn't checked? | 04:07 |
johny | no it wasn't | 04:08 |
johny | should I restart | 04:09 |
scrapbunny | now that is is checked i would do a restart and see if you can now mount the drive. from some of the other messages it sound like the computer was not turned off correctly at some point | 04:09 |
johny | so how do I fix that | 04:10 |
scrapbunny | how are you turning off the computer? | 04:10 |
johny | oh maybe i can try what it says again | 04:10 |
johny | I generally use the shutdown icon | 04:11 |
johny | unless something is frozen completely and I can't | 04:11 |
johny | I'll try a resart now though and come back it may have helped alot | 04:12 |
scrapbunny | i know that there are issues with the shutdown and especially hibernate and sleep mode so make sure you have run an update so you have any fixes | 04:12 |
johny | I'm back | 04:16 |
johny | I still get the same error message about unclean shutdown | 04:16 |
johny | mount is denied because ntfs is marked to be in use | 04:17 |
scrapbunny | have you opened terminal and typed sudo reboot ? | 04:19 |
johny | nope i havn't | 04:19 |
johny | I just got it to mount though just now | 04:20 |
johny | I can access my files yay | 04:20 |
scrapbunny | that is what is suggested on the forums. if you get the unclean shutdown again I would try that | 04:21 |
scrapbunny | :-D | 04:21 |
johny | I had to force a mount from console | 04:24 |
johny | that was of course after your help alowing my user administative privlages | 04:24 |
johny | that fised the first problem | 04:24 |
johny | fixed | 04:24 |
johny | then I had to use sudo to force a mount on the drive | 04:24 |
johny | now I have my files | 04:24 |
johny | thank you | 04:24 |
johny | your help is greatly appreciated | 04:24 |
johny | I have more questions for another day | 04:24 |
johny | but that will keep me happy till tomorrow | 04:24 |
johny | :) | 04:24 |
johny | I wish I could help you on your question | 04:25 |
johny | but I'm more of a newb than you | 04:25 |
johny | lol | 04:25 |
scrapbunny | no prob, i am trying to get 32 computers in my school lab going as thin clients. i have 14 set up and they are running a lot slower then they should | 04:27 |
Artemko | Tell please, whether it is possible to make, what OpenOffice it would be started as local_apps? And how it to make? I wish to lower loading on a server. And as in ltsp 5 to specify the coding, and that cyrillics on local device is displayed incorrectly | 06:26 |
Artemko | And still there is an appendix which everyone start in Wine, whether there is a sense to make administrative installation that all used one structure, whether will lower it loading? | 06:28 |
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sbalneav | Morning all | 14:45 |
RichEd | hi sbalneav | 14:51 |
sbalneav | Morning RichEd | 14:51 |
ogra | heya scottie | 14:52 |
Petaris_Aki | Morning sbalneav | 14:53 |
sbalneav | Morning ogra | 14:54 |
sbalneav | see my rantings in #ltsp? | 14:54 |
ogra | nope | 14:54 |
ogra | i'm not in there today | 14:54 |
sbalneav | looks like we might have a nice alternative to getltscfg, eliminating the last binary | 14:55 |
sbalneav | from the ltsp core package. | 14:55 |
ogra | Q-Funk got a bit rude at me so i decided toi not do #ltsp for today | 14:55 |
ogra | yay | 14:55 |
ogra | thats awesome !! | 14:55 |
sbalneav | Hopefully you still love ME though, right? | 14:55 |
sbalneav | :) | 14:56 |
ogra | indeed i do | 14:56 |
ogra | just wanted to stop the argument with matin | 14:56 |
* sbalneav hugs ogra | 14:56 | |
ogra | blaming me of spreading "nonsense" about amd | 14:57 |
* ogra hugs sbalneav | 14:57 | |
sbalneav | What nonsense? | 14:57 |
ogra | he says i would have gone around telling people a backport is the only possible solution ... (which is nonsense indeed) | 14:58 |
sbalneav | I don't remember you saying anything like that. | 14:58 |
ogra | all i asked was if someone had tried to backport the older working version ... whiout saying anything about idf it fixes stuiff or not | 14:58 |
ogra | anyway, he was pretty wound up today, so i decided to stay out of the line of fire :) since my day was good so far and i didnt want to get wound up as well | 14:59 |
ogra | :) | 15:00 |
sbalneav | heh | 15:01 |
* ogra has a new SDSL line sitting in the basement ... but still waiting to be able to use it ... and i'm so eager top see the upload rates ... | 15:01 | |
sbalneav | A tactical retreat is a perfectly valid strategy | 15:01 |
ogra | but indeed they f*cked up my login data ... | 15:01 |
sbalneav | ooh | 15:01 |
ogra | so i'm waiting for them to fix it which apparently wont happen before apm today | 15:01 |
ogra | *8pm | 15:02 |
ogra | (twiddling thumbs for 4h more ) | 15:02 |
sbalneav | yeah, we have a bunch of lawyers here who got blackberrys, so I've been dealing with a boatload of silly problems the last couple of days. | 15:02 |
ogra | RichEd, btw http://lwn.net/Articles/198333/ | 15:04 |
ogra | now getting the kernel team to accept it :) | 15:04 |
RichEd | cool is it a working patch ? | 15:05 |
RichEd | just needs approval ? | 15:05 |
ogra | no idea | 15:05 |
ogra | i just found it ... | 15:05 |
ogra | but greg KH (one of the upstream kernel devs) didnt objetc it | 15:06 |
ogra | so it seems to be fine from a general POV ... | 15:06 |
ogra | but it was written for 2.6.18, we're at 2.6.24 with hardy | 15:06 |
ogra | so might need modifications | 15:06 |
ogra | but it means that we dont have to write it on our own, there is code that just needs to be made running on our current version | 15:07 |
ogra | i'm waiting for BenC to get up to corner him and amitk and get some more info from the kernel team side | 15:08 |
sbalneav | ogra: great news! | 15:08 |
sbalneav | "utterly impossible" => "50 lines of code" => someone's already done the work | 15:09 |
sbalneav | nice | 15:09 |
sbalneav | \o/ | 15:09 |
RichEd | yo mr sladen ... fancy seeing you in here :) | 15:20 |
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o00w | can someone help with installing a Novell client to my 7.04 install...I get an error "install: missing destination file operand after " | 15:52 |
sbalneav | o00w: Novell client what? | 16:11 |
o00w | sbalneav: Suse Novell Client 2.0 | 16:12 |
sbalneav | I have no idea what that is :) | 16:12 |
o00w | used for authenticating to network servers and handles script to automatically map drives for particular user accounts | 16:13 |
o00w | also known as NetWare | 16:13 |
o00w | anyway do you know what this error means...install: missing destination file operand after | 16:17 |
o00w | this was the command I gave from terminal: sudo install ./ncl_install | 16:17 |
sbalneav | Yeah, the install isn't finding something it needs. | 16:17 |
sbalneav | is this client certified to work on Ubuntu, or only SuSE linux? | 16:18 |
* ogra would guess thats a script on its own | 16:18 | |
ogra | i.e. did you try sudo ./ncl_install | 16:18 |
o00w | ./ncl_install is not a bash command | 16:18 |
ogra | ok, then its probably not a script | 16:19 |
o00w | install: missing destination file operand after `./ncl_install' | 16:19 |
o00w | there are two scripts though | 16:19 |
o00w | autorun.sh and ...ok nm just one script | 16:20 |
o00w | nm ncl_install is a script | 16:20 |
o00w | but it doesn't have a sh file extension | 16:21 |
sbalneav | Doesn't have to | 16:21 |
sbalneav | perfectly acceptable to have a script without a .sh extention. | 16:22 |
o00w | so the header #! /bin/bash is what defines it as a script? | 16:22 |
sbalneav | Yup, that's called a shebang | 16:23 |
o00w | wow and I thought you were joking | 16:24 |
sbalneav | o00w: Know why "!" is called a "bang" in computer circles? | 16:37 |
sbalneav | Because on the old IBM card punches, the "!" would punch out a whole row on the card. | 16:38 |
sbalneav | This made the maximum number of the little fingers that made the punches move, making the loudest noise. | 16:38 |
sbalneav | Therefore, "!" became known as a "bang" | 16:39 |
sbalneav | It's also called a "dammit" | 16:39 |
sbalneav | from the VI command :q! | 16:39 |
o00w | interesting that wasn't in the wikipedia article or atleast I missed it | 16:39 |
sbalneav | To quit without saving, usually after you've mucked up your edit. | 16:39 |
sbalneav | read: "Quit, dammit!" | 16:40 |
sbalneav | :) | 16:40 |
sbalneav | http://www.ss64.com/bashsyntax/pronounce.html | 16:41 |
bddebian | Heya | 16:42 |
Petaris_Aki | Anyone care to help me debug a botched LDAP *client configuration on my LTSP server? | 17:41 |
Petaris_Aki | I followed a how-to | 17:41 |
Petaris_Aki | so I know exactly what I did | 17:41 |
Petaris_Aki | I followed this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3723403 | 17:42 |
moquist_ | Aaaarg! I my boss' boss just installed Edubuntu Gutsy and our boot times went UP. 8-o | 19:15 |
moquist_ | (according to him) | 19:15 |
moquist_ | I told him about LDM_DIRECTX so hopefully that will make those TCs sing once they're booted, anyway. | 19:15 |
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ogra1 | unlikely ... LDM_DIRECTX doesnt help with booting | 19:16 |
TelnetManta | ogra1: Could you test a site for me real quick? | 19:18 |
TelnetManta | just need to make sure its responding from outside of my firewall | 19:19 |
TelnetManta | nevermind | 19:21 |
ogra1 | just post the url | 19:24 |
ogra1 | there are 45 ppl in this channel, even if i wouldnt respond someone might be bored and take a look ;) | 19:24 |
stgraber | ogra1: About iTalc, I'll just do a small shell script starting "ica" in a while loop, it's still possible for users to kill it but not that easy (as it won't show up with the iTalc icon in the gnome process list) | 19:27 |
ogra1 | yeah, sounds ok for a start | 19:27 |
stgraber | ogra1: solutions like using sudo would introduce way to much changes (we can't really change the sudoers) and I don't like running it as root (that'd be a bad point for its main inclusion too :)) | 19:28 |
ogra1 | yeah | 19:28 |
TelnetManta | http://support.anderson5.net | 19:35 |
TelnetManta | can anyone get to that url? Or even ping it? | 19:36 |
stgraber | TelnetManta: I can | 19:38 |
TelnetManta | thank you | 19:39 |
gamed|ph | hi | 19:58 |
gamed|ph | anybody knows how to change the ip of the ltsp-server the ltsp-client will connect to? My dhcp/tftpd runs on a different maschine then my ltsp | 19:59 |
ogra__ | you can use SERVER in lts.conf | 20:05 |
gamed|ph | ogra__ i've already tried that | 20:13 |
gamed|ph | but doesn't work :-( | 20:13 |
ogra__ | where does it break exactly ? | 20:14 |
gamed|ph | i've to create a lts.conf in the same directory my kernels are located | 20:15 |
gamed|ph | in tftproot | 20:15 |
gamed|ph | and write something like [default] \n SERVER = 192.168.0.2 | 20:16 |
gamed|ph | I get initramfs shell of busybox | 20:18 |
gamed|ph | and on Alt + F1 the mounts fail because "invalid argument" | 20:18 |
moquist | ogra__: I know. But it may be enough to speed up the TCs after booting...that may tide him over. | 20:20 |
moquist | gamed|ph: are you past setting next-server in dhcpd.conf? | 20:21 |
ogra__ | gamed|ph, aha ... thats gutsy then, right ? | 20:21 |
gamed|ph | next-server is the ip of my tftpd, i want to change the ip for my ltsp because its not equal to the tftp/dhcp-ip | 20:21 |
ogra__ | if you are in busybox that means kernel and initramfs were loaded fine, so up to tftp everything is fine | 20:22 |
* moquist nods | 20:22 | |
gamed|ph | ogra__: yes, of course | 20:22 |
ogra__ | it likely doesnt know where to get the rootfs from | 20:22 |
gamed|ph | yeah, i don't know how to set the nfs-ip | 20:22 |
ogra__ | set nbdroot="<server ip>:<image serving port from inetd.conf>" | 20:23 |
ogra__ | in your pxelinux.cfg/default file | 20:23 |
gamed|ph | at apped? | 20:23 |
gamed|ph | *append | 20:23 |
ogra__ | right | 20:23 |
ogra__ | just after quiet and splash | 20:23 |
moquist | ogra__: I did tell him (boss' boss) that I haven't even tested Gutsy with any of our TCs yet, and that we don't have it in production, etc. *shakes head* | 20:27 |
ogra__ | oh man | 20:28 |
gamed|ph | ok it works - thanks! But now the authentification seems to be a problem :-/ | 20:33 |
gamed|ph | verifying password takes a very long time | 20:33 |
ogra__ | thats a bit tricky, you need the sshkey in your image | 20:35 |
gamed|ph | ahh, in the /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img? | 20:36 |
ogra__ | ltsp-update-sshkeys does that | 20:36 |
gamed|ph | "this workstation isn't authorized..." mh,ok | 20:37 |
ogra__ | but it will only work if the image server is the login server as well | 20:37 |
ogra__ | is that the case ? | 20:37 |
gamed|ph | yes | 20:39 |
gamed|ph | mh, this workstatio isn't authorized to cv | 20:41 |
gamed|ph | onnect to the server | 20:41 |
ogra__ | run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys ; sudo ltsp-update-image .... get a coffee ... rebot the client if its done with the image | 20:41 |
ogra__ | that will fix the message | 20:42 |
ogra__ | i assume you changed the IP of the machine after you ran ltsp-build-client | 20:42 |
ogra__ | (its usually run on install in edubuntu fwiw) :) | 20:42 |
gamed|ph | cool it works! | 20:47 |
gamed|ph | thanks :-) | 20:47 |
ogra__ | gern geschehn :) | 20:48 |
gamed|ph | ah du kannst auch deutsch | 20:48 |
ogra__ | jup | 20:48 |
gamed|ph | da würg ich mir hier einen auf englisch ab ;-) | 20:48 |
ogra__ | bildet doch ;) | 20:49 |
gamed|ph | haste zufällig ne gute idee wie ich das system nun noch an ne aktice directory anbinde? | 20:49 |
ogra__ | EDUbuntu :) | 20:49 |
gamed|ph | ;-) | 20:50 |
gamed|ph | *active | 20:50 |
ogra__ | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280702 ? | 20:51 |
ogra__ | is fuer dapper ... | 20:51 |
gamed|ph | kriegt man das nicht einfacher hin? | 20:54 |
ogra__ | nope | 20:54 |
gamed|ph | k, thx | 20:55 |
ace_suares | hi all, hi ogra__ ! | 21:35 |
ace_suares | for some reason, i installed from ubuntu gutsy alternate cd, not from edubuntu gutsy cd | 21:36 |
ace_suares | what's the quick way to apt-get all the edubuntu stuff after the install si done. | 21:36 |
ace_suares | It's not in the faq... can I put it in the faq after someone explained it to me ? | 21:36 |
scrapbunny | edubuntu-desktop will get you most everything. i think you still need to add the games though | 21:43 |
LaserJock | ace_suares: are you wanting LTSP or just educational apps? | 21:47 |
ace_suares | Hi LaserJock! | 21:48 |
ace_suares | LTSP, especially. | 21:49 |
ace_suares | with edubuntu-desktop, is does it do ltsp-build-client and things ? And configure dhcp and all that ? | 21:49 |
LaserJock | no | 21:51 |
LaserJock | I don't think we have anything that does everything that the Edubuntu disk does | 21:51 |
LaserJock | but you can do most of it at least | 21:51 |
LaserJock | ogra__ would know specifically | 21:51 |
ace_suares | see, it would be nice if there was some way to get the exact result from an ubuntu-cd + some apt-get magic, as an install form an edubuntu-cd | 21:51 |
ace_suares | like a button on the desktop 'add kubuntu' or 'add edubuntu' | 21:52 |
LaserJock | you want to install ltsp-server-standalone | 21:52 |
ace_suares | or lacking that, a faq... | 21:52 |
ace_suares | Is there a walktrough somewhere ? | 21:52 |
LaserJock | ace_suares: I believe it's on a wiki page | 21:52 |
ace_suares | yeah i looked troughthe edubuintu wiki but didn't quickly find what I needed... | 21:53 |
ace_suares | I mean, i've done this before (apt-get ltsp-server-standalone and such) but I always was missing somethin | 21:53 |
ace_suares | here or there... | 21:53 |
ace_suares | or am i being dimwitted ? | 21:53 |
LaserJock | this might work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall | 21:53 |
ace_suares | that page looks good... thanx ! | 21:55 |
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ace_suares | ping ogra__ | 22:21 |
ace_suares | What's a good way to use alternative sources.list for ltsp-build-client ? | 22:22 |
ace_suares | I have a local repository which saves me tons of time on every install and update of ubuntu, but ltsp-build-client uses | 22:22 |
ace_suares | remote repos. | 22:22 |
ace_suares | I think the name of the repos are in deifferent places, the security repo is in another place then the main ?? | 22:23 |
ace_suares | oh... you build ins ome options in 010-manage-mirrors ? let me see ... | 22:24 |
ace_suares | --copy-sourceslist ? that would be cool ! | 22:25 |
ace_suares | nah... it still goes to security.ubuntu.com ! | 22:28 |
ace_suares | tried --early-mirror and --security-mirror, but it's awfully slow, so I think it's still going to the internet to retrieve packages | 22:38 |
johnny | sbalneav, i tried the suggestion you had, still no dice, ssh -X user@ltspserver from sh on the thinclients works fine | 22:39 |
johnny | or rather.. i guess there was dice | 22:40 |
johnny | i'm just at a loss of what to try next | 22:40 |
ace_suares | I have a local mirror like this : http://tupac/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and I have dapper, feisty and gutsy there | 22:49 |
ace_suares | the first part of the update goes fine, then suddenly it gives errors like 'http://tupac Releases.gz: ignored, can't find ... | 22:50 |
ace_suares | In this case, it shouldn't strip the archive.ubuntu.com part... | 22:50 |
ace_suares | i ran with ltsp-build-client --mirror http://tupac/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu | 22:51 |
ace_suares | I don't get it....! | 22:51 |
ace_suares | ah... tupac is not in the chrooted /etc/hosts ! | 23:05 |
ace_suares | this finally worked, in a couple of minutes ltsp-build-client completed ! | 23:14 |
ace_suares | ltsp-build-client --mirror http://10.10.10.10/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu --security-mirror http://10.10.10.10/archive.ubuntu.com/ | 23:15 |
ace_suares | note that if you put /ubuntu after the security mirror, it doesn't work! | 23:15 |
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