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LaserJockbdoin: subscribed, thanks00:08
bdoinLaserJock: for the translations issue, you thing something can be done for gutsy ?00:09
bazzSilly qusetion...where would I look for ldm to play with settings? Are there any flat files for it?00:13
johnny_it's lts.conf00:16
johnny_those are the settings for it00:16
bazzdarn....00:17
johnny_to get what you want, you'll prolly have to write some code00:17
johnny_or get somebody else to write it for you00:17
bazzI wish I could write code.....00:18
bazzthink there would be anyone out there interested inn doing it00:18
johnny_nobody i know00:18
johnny_except for pay obviously00:18
bazzyeah...00:19
johnny_you should write out a description of exactly what you need, your post needs to be elaborated on00:19
bazzthen post to the group?00:19
johnny_yes00:20
bazzcool...I will give that a go00:21
bazzI have a few things I'm gonna try first...see what happens00:22
LaserJockbdoin: I really don't know, we have a fairly high barrier on what can go into the -updates repositories00:29
LaserJockbdoin: we can't have hundreds and hundreds of new packages going in00:30
bdoinbut gcompris translations are in a separate common translation package no ?00:30
LaserJockbdoin: on the other hand, if I can get a new translation put into the lang packs, which are updated something like monthly00:31
LaserJockwithout messing around with the gcompris package itself00:31
LaserJockI think we'd have a shot00:31
LaserJockI just don't have enough experience with translations to know exactly how difficult it'd be00:31
LaserJockbut I can look into it and ask around00:31
LaserJockI'm still not 100% positive on what the problem is00:32
LaserJockare we just carrying old translations? or are they incomplete translations of the new versions00:32
bdoinwell we already have very good translations that we ship with each release. we are very formal on string freeze and it's sad it ends up so messy on Ubuntu00:32
bdoinin many languages, GCompris is just not usable in schools00:34
LaserJockbdoin: because of Ubuntu messing up the translations?00:40
bdoinyes00:41
LaserJockwell that's not cool00:43
LaserJockwe certianly shouldn't be making things worse00:43
bdointeachers in primary education does rarely speak english, at least in france. currently, when you launch GCompris in french, you have to dig around the menus to find something translated.00:43
bdoinit's just annoying when translation are broken on some application but for the GCompris target and shool audience of Edubuntu, it's a show stopper00:46
* bdoin have to sleep, bye00:47
LaserJockbdoin: well, I'm very sorry and I'll do my best to get this all cleaned up00:48
bdointhanks a lot, be assured that it's really important for non english speaker and it's a must for the credibility of edubuntu in the educational market00:49
LaserJockI agree00:50
bdoinbye00:50
johnny_anybody have a problem with firefox not completely closing on exit with ltsp?01:11
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johnyhi there03:49
johnyI need help mounting an ntfs drive please03:49
scrapbunnyis anyone having issues with 7.10 running slow on thin clients03:51
johnyI'm having issues mounting an ntfs drive03:52
scrapbunnyare you running edubuntu stand alone or as thin client?03:53
johnyI think it's the stand alone03:54
johnyI have tried a few faq's and websites but it still doesn't work03:54
johnyother than that I'm having good success with it and and happy03:54
johnyals I'm still a newbie03:55
johnyalas even03:55
scrapbunnyis this with 7.10? I'm a newbie too but will try to help :)03:55
johnny_you have to use ntfs-3g03:55
johnny_if you want read/write that is03:55
johnyit says that that driver is installed03:56
johnyyes it is 7.1003:56
johnyI get an error msg03:57
scrapbunnywhat is the message?03:57
johnysomething about it wasn't dismounted properly03:57
johnyI treid what it said03:57
johnyand it didn't work03:57
scrapbunnyso have you ever been able to mount the drive?03:59
johnyno I havn't03:59
johnynot since the instal03:59
scrapbunnydo you have more than one user set up on this computer?04:00
johnyjust me04:01
johnywhen I try to acces it it says that I don't have permission tough04:01
johnythough even04:01
johnyused to say that04:02
johnynow it says unclean shut down04:02
johnyfailed to mount04:02
johnycannont mount volume04:02
johnywhem I click details it says04:02
johnyunclean shut down04:03
scrapbunnywhen you click on system, Administration, then users and groups what does it show?04:04
scrapbunnyshould be root and then your account04:04
johnyyes it does show that04:04
scrapbunnycan you click on your account and then Properties?04:05
johnyyes that works04:06
scrapbunnythen click the user priviledges and make sure administer system is checked04:07
johnyI checked it now04:07
scrapbunnyit wasn't checked?04:07
johnyno it wasn't04:08
johnyshould I restart04:09
scrapbunnynow that is is checked i would do a restart and see if you can now mount the drive. from some of the other messages it sound like the computer was not turned off correctly at some point04:09
johnyso how do I fix that04:10
scrapbunnyhow are you turning off the computer?04:10
johnyoh maybe i can try what it says again04:10
johnyI generally use the shutdown icon04:11
johnyunless something is frozen completely and I can't04:11
johnyI'll try a resart now though and come back it may have helped alot04:12
scrapbunnyi know that there are issues with the shutdown and especially hibernate and sleep mode so make sure you have run an update so you have any fixes04:12
johnyI'm back04:16
johnyI still get the same error message about unclean shutdown04:16
johnymount is denied because ntfs is marked to be in use04:17
scrapbunnyhave you opened terminal and typed sudo reboot ?04:19
johnynope i havn't04:19
johnyI just got it to mount though just now04:20
johnyI can access my files yay04:20
scrapbunnythat is what is suggested on the forums. if you get the unclean shutdown again I would try that04:21
scrapbunny:-D04:21
johnyI had to force a mount from console04:24
johnythat was of course after your help alowing my user administative privlages04:24
johnythat fised the first problem04:24
johnyfixed04:24
johnythen I had to use sudo to force a mount on the drive04:24
johnynow I have my files04:24
johnythank you04:24
johnyyour help is greatly appreciated04:24
johnyI have more questions for another day04:24
johnybut that will keep me happy till tomorrow04:24
johny:)04:24
johnyI wish I could help you on your question04:25
johnybut I'm more of a newb than you04:25
johnylol04:25
scrapbunnyno prob, i am trying to get 32 computers in my school lab going as thin clients. i have 14 set up and they are running a lot slower then they should04:27
ArtemkoTell please, whether it is possible to make, what OpenOffice it would be started as local_apps? And how it to make? I wish to lower loading on a server. And as in ltsp 5 to specify the coding, and that cyrillics on local device is displayed incorrectly06:26
ArtemkoAnd still there is an appendix which everyone start in Wine, whether there is a sense to make administrative installation that all used one structure, whether will lower it loading?06:28
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sbalneavMorning all14:45
RichEdhi sbalneav14:51
sbalneavMorning RichEd14:51
ograheya scottie14:52
Petaris_AkiMorning sbalneav14:53
sbalneavMorning ogra14:54
sbalneavsee my rantings in #ltsp?14:54
ogranope14:54
ograi'm not in there today14:54
sbalneavlooks like we might have a nice alternative to getltscfg, eliminating the last binary14:55
sbalneavfrom the ltsp core package.14:55
ograQ-Funk got a bit rude at me so i decided toi not do #ltsp for today14:55
ograyay14:55
ograthats awesome !!14:55
sbalneavHopefully you still love ME though, right?14:55
sbalneav:)14:56
ograindeed i do14:56
ograjust wanted to stop the argument with matin14:56
* sbalneav hugs ogra14:56
ograblaming  me of spreading "nonsense" about amd14:57
* ogra hugs sbalneav 14:57
sbalneavWhat nonsense?14:57
ograhe says i would have gone around telling people a backport is the only possible solution ... (which is nonsense indeed)14:58
sbalneavI don't remember you saying anything like that.14:58
ograall i asked was if someone had tried to backport the older working version ... whiout saying anything about idf it fixes stuiff or not14:58
ograanyway, he was pretty wound up today, so i decided to stay out of the line of fire :) since my day was good so far and i didnt want to get wound up as well14:59
ogra:)15:00
sbalneavheh15:01
* ogra has a new SDSL line sitting in the basement ... but still waiting to be able to use it ... and i'm so eager top see the upload rates ...15:01
sbalneavA tactical retreat is a perfectly valid strategy15:01
ograbut indeed they f*cked up my login data ...15:01
sbalneavooh15:01
ograso i'm waiting for them to fix it which apparently wont happen before apm today15:01
ogra*8pm15:02
ogra(twiddling thumbs for 4h more )15:02
sbalneavyeah, we have a bunch of lawyers here who got blackberrys, so I've been dealing with a boatload of silly problems the last couple of days.15:02
ograRichEd, btw http://lwn.net/Articles/198333/15:04
ogranow getting the kernel team to accept it :)15:04
RichEdcool is it a working patch ?15:05
RichEdjust needs approval ?15:05
ograno idea15:05
ograi just found it ...15:05
ograbut greg KH (one of the upstream kernel devs) didnt objetc it15:06
ograso it seems to be fine from a general POV ...15:06
ograbut it was written for 2.6.18, we're at 2.6.24 with hardy15:06
ograso might need modifications15:06
ograbut it means that we dont have to write it on our own, there is code that just needs to be made running on our current version15:07
ograi'm waiting for BenC to get up to corner him and amitk and get some more info from the kernel team side15:08
sbalneavogra: great news!15:08
sbalneav"utterly impossible" => "50 lines of code" => someone's already done the work15:09
sbalneavnice15:09
sbalneav\o/15:09
RichEdyo mr sladen ... fancy seeing you in here :)15:20
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o00wcan someone help with installing a Novell client to my 7.04 install...I get an error "install: missing destination file operand after "15:52
sbalneavo00w: Novell client what?16:11
o00wsbalneav: Suse Novell Client 2.016:12
sbalneavI have no idea what that is :)16:12
o00wused for authenticating to network servers and handles script to automatically map drives for particular user accounts16:13
o00walso known as NetWare16:13
o00wanyway do you know what this error means...install: missing destination file operand after16:17
o00wthis was the command I gave from terminal: sudo install ./ncl_install16:17
sbalneavYeah, the install isn't finding something it needs.16:17
sbalneavis this client certified to work on Ubuntu, or only SuSE linux?16:18
* ogra would guess thats a script on its own16:18
ograi.e. did you try sudo ./ncl_install16:18
o00w./ncl_install is not a bash command16:18
ograok, then its probably not a script16:19
o00winstall: missing destination file operand after `./ncl_install'16:19
o00wthere are two scripts though16:19
o00wautorun.sh and ...ok nm just one script16:20
o00wnm ncl_install is a script16:20
o00wbut it doesn't have a sh file extension16:21
sbalneavDoesn't have to16:21
sbalneavperfectly acceptable to have a script without a .sh extention.16:22
o00wso the header #! /bin/bash is what defines it as a script?16:22
sbalneavYup, that's called a shebang16:23
o00wwow and I thought you were joking16:24
sbalneavo00w: Know why "!" is called a "bang" in computer circles?16:37
sbalneavBecause on the old IBM card punches, the "!" would punch out a whole row on the card.16:38
sbalneavThis made the maximum number of the little fingers that made the punches move, making the loudest noise.16:38
sbalneavTherefore, "!" became known as a "bang"16:39
sbalneavIt's also called a "dammit"16:39
sbalneavfrom the VI command :q!16:39
o00winteresting that wasn't in the wikipedia article or atleast I missed it16:39
sbalneavTo quit without saving, usually after you've mucked up your edit.16:39
sbalneavread: "Quit, dammit!"16:40
sbalneav:)16:40
sbalneavhttp://www.ss64.com/bashsyntax/pronounce.html16:41
bddebianHeya16:42
Petaris_AkiAnyone care to help me debug a botched LDAP *client configuration on my LTSP server?17:41
Petaris_AkiI followed a how-to17:41
Petaris_Akiso I know exactly what I did17:41
Petaris_AkiI followed this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=372340317:42
moquist_Aaaarg! I my boss' boss just installed Edubuntu Gutsy and our boot times went UP. 8-o19:15
moquist_(according to him)19:15
moquist_I told him about LDM_DIRECTX so hopefully that will make those TCs sing once they're booted, anyway.19:15
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ogra1unlikely ... LDM_DIRECTX doesnt help with booting19:16
TelnetMantaogra1: Could you test a site for me real quick?19:18
TelnetMantajust need to make sure its responding from outside of my firewall19:19
TelnetMantanevermind19:21
ogra1just post the url19:24
ogra1there are 45 ppl in this channel, even if i wouldnt respond someone might be bored and take a look ;)19:24
stgraberogra1: About iTalc, I'll just do a small shell script starting "ica" in a while loop, it's still possible for users to kill it but not that easy (as it won't show up with the iTalc icon in the gnome process list)19:27
ogra1yeah, sounds ok for a start19:27
stgraberogra1: solutions like using sudo would introduce way to much changes (we can't really change the sudoers) and I don't like running it as root (that'd be a bad point for its main inclusion too :))19:28
ogra1yeah19:28
TelnetMantahttp://support.anderson5.net19:35
TelnetMantacan anyone get to that url? Or even ping it?19:36
stgraberTelnetManta: I can19:38
TelnetMantathank you19:39
gamed|phhi19:58
gamed|phanybody knows how to change the ip of the ltsp-server the ltsp-client will connect to? My dhcp/tftpd runs on a different maschine then my ltsp19:59
ogra__you can use SERVER in lts.conf20:05
gamed|phogra__ i've already tried that20:13
gamed|phbut doesn't work :-(20:13
ogra__where does it break exactly ?20:14
gamed|phi've to create a lts.conf in the same directory my kernels are located20:15
gamed|phin tftproot20:15
gamed|phand write something like [default] \n SERVER = 192.168.0.220:16
gamed|phI get initramfs shell of busybox20:18
gamed|phand on Alt + F1 the mounts fail because "invalid argument"20:18
moquistogra__: I know. But it may be enough to speed up the TCs after booting...that may tide him over.20:20
moquistgamed|ph: are you past setting next-server in dhcpd.conf?20:21
ogra__gamed|ph, aha ... thats gutsy then, right ?20:21
gamed|phnext-server is the ip of my tftpd, i want to change the ip for my ltsp because its not equal to the tftp/dhcp-ip20:21
ogra__if you are in busybox that means kernel and initramfs were loaded fine, so up to tftp everything is fine20:22
* moquist nods20:22
gamed|phogra__: yes, of course20:22
ogra__it likely doesnt know where to get the rootfs from20:22
gamed|phyeah, i don't know how to set the nfs-ip20:22
ogra__set nbdroot="<server ip>:<image serving port from inetd.conf>"20:23
ogra__in your pxelinux.cfg/default file20:23
gamed|phat apped?20:23
gamed|ph*append20:23
ogra__right20:23
ogra__just after quiet and splash20:23
moquistogra__: I did tell him (boss' boss) that I haven't even tested Gutsy with any of our TCs yet, and that we don't have it in production, etc. *shakes head*20:27
ogra__oh man20:28
gamed|phok it works - thanks! But now the authentification seems to be a problem :-/20:33
gamed|phverifying password takes a very long time20:33
ogra__thats a bit tricky, you need the sshkey in your image20:35
gamed|phahh, in the /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img?20:36
ogra__ltsp-update-sshkeys does that20:36
gamed|ph"this workstation isn't authorized..." mh,ok20:37
ogra__but it will only work if the image server is the login server as well20:37
ogra__is that the case ?20:37
gamed|phyes20:39
gamed|phmh, this workstatio isn't authorized to cv20:41
gamed|phonnect to the server20:41
ogra__run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys ; sudo ltsp-update-image .... get a coffee ... rebot the client if its done with the image20:41
ogra__that will fix the message20:42
ogra__i assume you changed the IP of the machine after you ran ltsp-build-client20:42
ogra__(its usually run on install in edubuntu fwiw) :)20:42
gamed|phcool it works!20:47
gamed|phthanks :-)20:47
ogra__gern geschehn :)20:48
gamed|phah du kannst auch deutsch20:48
ogra__jup20:48
gamed|phda würg ich mir hier einen auf englisch ab ;-)20:48
ogra__bildet doch ;)20:49
gamed|phhaste zufällig ne gute idee wie ich das system nun noch an ne aktice directory anbinde?20:49
ogra__EDUbuntu :)20:49
gamed|ph;-)20:50
gamed|ph*active20:50
ogra__http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280702 ?20:51
ogra__is fuer dapper ...20:51
gamed|phkriegt man das nicht einfacher hin?20:54
ogra__nope20:54
gamed|phk, thx20:55
ace_suareshi all, hi ogra__ !21:35
ace_suaresfor some reason, i installed from ubuntu gutsy alternate cd, not from edubuntu gutsy cd21:36
ace_suareswhat's the quick way to apt-get all the edubuntu stuff after the install si done.21:36
ace_suaresIt's not in the faq... can I put it in the faq after someone explained it to me ?21:36
scrapbunnyedubuntu-desktop will get you most everything. i think you still need to add the games though21:43
LaserJockace_suares: are you wanting LTSP or just educational apps?21:47
ace_suaresHi LaserJock!21:48
ace_suaresLTSP, especially.21:49
ace_suareswith edubuntu-desktop, is does it do ltsp-build-client and things ? And configure dhcp and all that ?21:49
LaserJockno21:51
LaserJockI don't think we have anything that does everything that the Edubuntu disk does21:51
LaserJockbut you can do most of it at least21:51
LaserJockogra__ would know specifically21:51
ace_suaressee, it would be nice if there was some way to get the exact result from an ubuntu-cd + some apt-get magic, as an install form an edubuntu-cd21:51
ace_suareslike a button on the desktop 'add kubuntu' or 'add edubuntu'21:52
LaserJockyou want to install ltsp-server-standalone21:52
ace_suaresor lacking that, a faq...21:52
ace_suaresIs there a walktrough somewhere ?21:52
LaserJockace_suares: I believe it's on a wiki page21:52
ace_suaresyeah i looked troughthe edubuintu wiki but didn't quickly find what I needed...21:53
ace_suaresI mean, i've done this before (apt-get ltsp-server-standalone and such) but I always was missing somethin21:53
ace_suareshere or there...21:53
ace_suaresor am i being dimwitted ?21:53
LaserJockthis might work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall21:53
ace_suaresthat page looks good... thanx !21:55
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ace_suaresping ogra__22:21
ace_suaresWhat's a good way to use alternative sources.list for ltsp-build-client ?22:22
ace_suaresI have a local repository which saves me tons of time on every install and update of ubuntu, but ltsp-build-client uses22:22
ace_suaresremote repos.22:22
ace_suaresI think the name of the repos are in deifferent places, the security repo is in another place then the main ??22:23
ace_suaresoh... you build ins ome options in 010-manage-mirrors ? let me see ...22:24
ace_suares--copy-sourceslist ? that would be cool !22:25
ace_suaresnah... it still goes to security.ubuntu.com !22:28
ace_suarestried --early-mirror and --security-mirror, but it's awfully slow, so I think it's still going to the internet to retrieve packages22:38
johnnysbalneav, i tried the suggestion you had, still no dice, ssh -X user@ltspserver  from sh on the thinclients works fine22:39
johnnyor rather.. i guess there was dice22:40
johnnyi'm just at a loss of what to try next22:40
ace_suaresI have a local mirror like this : http://tupac/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and I have dapper, feisty and gutsy there22:49
ace_suaresthe first part of the update goes fine, then suddenly it gives errors like 'http://tupac Releases.gz: ignored, can't find ...22:50
ace_suaresIn this case, it shouldn't strip the archive.ubuntu.com part...22:50
ace_suaresi ran with ltsp-build-client --mirror http://tupac/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu22:51
ace_suaresI don't get it....!22:51
ace_suaresah... tupac is not in the chrooted /etc/hosts !23:05
ace_suaresthis finally worked, in a couple of minutes ltsp-build-client completed !23:14
ace_suaresltsp-build-client --mirror http://10.10.10.10/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu --security-mirror http://10.10.10.10/archive.ubuntu.com/23:15
ace_suaresnote that if you put /ubuntu after the security mirror, it doesn't work!23:15

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