[00:08] <LaserJock> bdoin: subscribed, thanks
[00:09] <bdoin> LaserJock: for the translations issue, you thing something can be done for gutsy ?
[00:13] <bazz> Silly qusetion...where would I look for ldm to play with settings? Are there any flat files for it?
[00:16] <johnny_> it's lts.conf
[00:16] <johnny_> those are the settings for it
[00:17] <bazz> darn....
[00:17] <johnny_> to get what you want, you'll prolly have to write some code
[00:17] <johnny_> or get somebody else to write it for you
[00:18] <bazz> I wish I could write code.....
[00:18] <bazz> think there would be anyone out there interested inn doing it
[00:18] <johnny_> nobody i know
[00:18] <johnny_> except for pay obviously
[00:19] <bazz> yeah...
[00:19] <johnny_> you should write out a description of exactly what you need, your post needs to be elaborated on
[00:19] <bazz> then post to the group?
[00:20] <johnny_> yes
[00:21] <bazz> cool...I will give that a go
[00:22] <bazz> I have a few things I'm gonna try first...see what happens
[00:29] <LaserJock> bdoin: I really don't know, we have a fairly high barrier on what can go into the -updates repositories
[00:30] <LaserJock> bdoin: we can't have hundreds and hundreds of new packages going in
[00:30] <bdoin> but gcompris translations are in a separate common translation package no ?
[00:31] <LaserJock> bdoin: on the other hand, if I can get a new translation put into the lang packs, which are updated something like monthly
[00:31] <LaserJock> without messing around with the gcompris package itself
[00:31] <LaserJock> I think we'd have a shot
[00:31] <LaserJock> I just don't have enough experience with translations to know exactly how difficult it'd be
[00:31] <LaserJock> but I can look into it and ask around
[00:32] <LaserJock> I'm still not 100% positive on what the problem is
[00:32] <LaserJock> are we just carrying old translations? or are they incomplete translations of the new versions
[00:32] <bdoin> well we already have very good translations that we ship with each release. we are very formal on string freeze and it's sad it ends up so messy on Ubuntu
[00:34] <bdoin> in many languages, GCompris is just not usable in schools
[00:40] <LaserJock> bdoin: because of Ubuntu messing up the translations?
[00:41] <bdoin> yes
[00:43] <LaserJock> well that's not cool
[00:43] <LaserJock> we certianly shouldn't be making things worse
[00:43] <bdoin> teachers in primary education does rarely speak english, at least in france. currently, when you launch GCompris in french, you have to dig around the menus to find something translated.
[00:46] <bdoin> it's just annoying when translation are broken on some application but for the GCompris target and shool audience of Edubuntu, it's a show stopper
[00:47]  * bdoin have to sleep, bye
[00:48] <LaserJock> bdoin: well, I'm very sorry and I'll do my best to get this all cleaned up
[00:49] <bdoin> thanks a lot, be assured that it's really important for non english speaker and it's a must for the credibility of edubuntu in the educational market
[00:50] <LaserJock> I agree
[00:50] <bdoin> bye
[01:11] <johnny_> anybody have a problem with firefox not completely closing on exit with ltsp?
[03:49] <johny> hi there
[03:49] <johny> I need help mounting an ntfs drive please
[03:51] <scrapbunny> is anyone having issues with 7.10 running slow on thin clients
[03:52] <johny> I'm having issues mounting an ntfs drive
[03:53] <scrapbunny> are you running edubuntu stand alone or as thin client?
[03:54] <johny> I think it's the stand alone
[03:54] <johny> I have tried a few faq's and websites but it still doesn't work
[03:54] <johny> other than that I'm having good success with it and and happy
[03:55] <johny> als I'm still a newbie
[03:55] <johny> alas even
[03:55] <scrapbunny> is this with 7.10? I'm a newbie too but will try to help :)
[03:55] <johnny_> you have to use ntfs-3g
[03:55] <johnny_> if you want read/write that is
[03:56] <johny> it says that that driver is installed
[03:56] <johny> yes it is 7.10
[03:57] <johny> I get an error msg
[03:57] <scrapbunny> what is the message?
[03:57] <johny> something about it wasn't dismounted properly
[03:57] <johny> I treid what it said
[03:57] <johny> and it didn't work
[03:59] <scrapbunny> so have you ever been able to mount the drive?
[03:59] <johny> no I havn't
[03:59] <johny> not since the instal
[04:00] <scrapbunny> do you have more than one user set up on this computer?
[04:01] <johny> just me
[04:01] <johny> when I try to acces it it says that I don't have permission tough
[04:01] <johny> though even
[04:02] <johny> used to say that
[04:02] <johny> now it says unclean shut down
[04:02] <johny> failed to mount
[04:02] <johny> cannont mount volume
[04:02] <johny> whem I click details it says
[04:03] <johny> unclean shut down
[04:04] <scrapbunny> when you click on system, Administration, then users and groups what does it show?
[04:04] <scrapbunny> should be root and then your account
[04:04] <johny> yes it does show that
[04:05] <scrapbunny> can you click on your account and then Properties?
[04:06] <johny> yes that works
[04:07] <scrapbunny> then click the user priviledges and make sure administer system is checked
[04:07] <johny> I checked it now
[04:07] <scrapbunny> it wasn't checked?
[04:08] <johny> no it wasn't
[04:09] <johny> should I restart
[04:09] <scrapbunny> now that is is checked i would do a restart and see if you can now mount the drive. from some of the other messages it sound like the computer was not turned off correctly at some point
[04:10] <johny> so how do I fix that
[04:10] <scrapbunny> how are you turning off the computer?
[04:10] <johny> oh maybe i can try what it says again
[04:11] <johny> I generally use the shutdown icon
[04:11] <johny> unless something is frozen completely and I can't
[04:12] <johny> I'll try a resart now though and come back it may have helped alot
[04:12] <scrapbunny> i know that there are issues with the shutdown and especially hibernate and sleep mode so make sure you have run an update so you have any fixes
[04:16] <johny> I'm back
[04:16] <johny> I still get the same error message about unclean shutdown
[04:17] <johny> mount is denied because ntfs is marked to be in use
[04:19] <scrapbunny> have you opened terminal and typed sudo reboot ?
[04:19] <johny> nope i havn't
[04:20] <johny> I just got it to mount though just now
[04:20] <johny> I can access my files yay
[04:21] <scrapbunny> that is what is suggested on the forums. if you get the unclean shutdown again I would try that
[04:21] <scrapbunny> :-D
[04:24] <johny> I had to force a mount from console
[04:24] <johny> that was of course after your help alowing my user administative privlages
[04:24] <johny> that fised the first problem
[04:24] <johny> fixed
[04:24] <johny> then I had to use sudo to force a mount on the drive
[04:24] <johny> now I have my files
[04:24] <johny> thank you
[04:24] <johny> your help is greatly appreciated
[04:24] <johny> I have more questions for another day
[04:24] <johny> but that will keep me happy till tomorrow
[04:24] <johny> :)
[04:25] <johny> I wish I could help you on your question
[04:25] <johny> but I'm more of a newb than you
[04:25] <johny> lol
[04:27] <scrapbunny> no prob, i am trying to get 32 computers in my school lab going as thin clients. i have 14 set up and they are running a lot slower then they should
[06:26] <Artemko> Tell please, whether it is possible to make, what OpenOffice it would be started as local_apps? And how it to make? I wish to lower loading on a server. And as in ltsp 5 to specify the coding, and that cyrillics on local device is displayed incorrectly
[06:28] <Artemko> And still there is an appendix which everyone start in Wine, whether there is a sense to make administrative installation that all used one structure, whether will lower it loading?
[14:45] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:51] <RichEd> hi sbalneav
[14:51] <sbalneav> Morning RichEd
[14:52] <ogra> heya scottie
[14:53] <Petaris_Aki> Morning sbalneav
[14:54] <sbalneav> Morning ogra
[14:54] <sbalneav> see my rantings in #ltsp?
[14:54] <ogra> nope
[14:54] <ogra> i'm not in there today
[14:55] <sbalneav> looks like we might have a nice alternative to getltscfg, eliminating the last binary
[14:55] <sbalneav> from the ltsp core package.
[14:55] <ogra> Q-Funk got a bit rude at me so i decided toi not do #ltsp for today
[14:55] <ogra> yay
[14:55] <ogra> thats awesome !!
[14:55] <sbalneav> Hopefully you still love ME though, right?
[14:56] <sbalneav> :)
[14:56] <ogra> indeed i do
[14:56] <ogra> just wanted to stop the argument with matin
[14:56]  * sbalneav hugs ogra
[14:57] <ogra> blaming  me of spreading "nonsense" about amd
[14:57]  * ogra hugs sbalneav 
[14:57] <sbalneav> What nonsense?
[14:58] <ogra> he says i would have gone around telling people a backport is the only possible solution ... (which is nonsense indeed)
[14:58] <sbalneav> I don't remember you saying anything like that.
[14:58] <ogra> all i asked was if someone had tried to backport the older working version ... whiout saying anything about idf it fixes stuiff or not
[14:59] <ogra> anyway, he was pretty wound up today, so i decided to stay out of the line of fire :) since my day was good so far and i didnt want to get wound up as well
[15:00] <ogra> :)
[15:01] <sbalneav> heh
[15:01]  * ogra has a new SDSL line sitting in the basement ... but still waiting to be able to use it ... and i'm so eager top see the upload rates ...
[15:01] <sbalneav> A tactical retreat is a perfectly valid strategy
[15:01] <ogra> but indeed they f*cked up my login data ...
[15:01] <sbalneav> ooh
[15:01] <ogra> so i'm waiting for them to fix it which apparently wont happen before apm today
[15:02] <ogra> *8pm
[15:02] <ogra> (twiddling thumbs for 4h more )
[15:02] <sbalneav> yeah, we have a bunch of lawyers here who got blackberrys, so I've been dealing with a boatload of silly problems the last couple of days.
[15:04] <ogra> RichEd, btw http://lwn.net/Articles/198333/
[15:04] <ogra> now getting the kernel team to accept it :)
[15:05] <RichEd> cool is it a working patch ?
[15:05] <RichEd> just needs approval ?
[15:05] <ogra> no idea
[15:05] <ogra> i just found it ...
[15:06] <ogra> but greg KH (one of the upstream kernel devs) didnt objetc it
[15:06] <ogra> so it seems to be fine from a general POV ...
[15:06] <ogra> but it was written for 2.6.18, we're at 2.6.24 with hardy
[15:06] <ogra> so might need modifications
[15:07] <ogra> but it means that we dont have to write it on our own, there is code that just needs to be made running on our current version
[15:08] <ogra> i'm waiting for BenC to get up to corner him and amitk and get some more info from the kernel team side
[15:08] <sbalneav> ogra: great news!
[15:09] <sbalneav> "utterly impossible" => "50 lines of code" => someone's already done the work
[15:09] <sbalneav> nice
[15:09] <sbalneav> \o/
[15:20] <RichEd> yo mr sladen ... fancy seeing you in here :)
[15:52] <o00w> can someone help with installing a Novell client to my 7.04 install...I get an error "install: missing destination file operand after "
[16:11] <sbalneav> o00w: Novell client what?
[16:12] <o00w> sbalneav: Suse Novell Client 2.0
[16:12] <sbalneav> I have no idea what that is :)
[16:13] <o00w> used for authenticating to network servers and handles script to automatically map drives for particular user accounts
[16:13] <o00w> also known as NetWare
[16:17] <o00w> anyway do you know what this error means...install: missing destination file operand after
[16:17] <o00w> this was the command I gave from terminal: sudo install ./ncl_install
[16:17] <sbalneav> Yeah, the install isn't finding something it needs.
[16:18] <sbalneav> is this client certified to work on Ubuntu, or only SuSE linux?
[16:18]  * ogra would guess thats a script on its own
[16:18] <ogra> i.e. did you try sudo ./ncl_install
[16:18] <o00w> ./ncl_install is not a bash command
[16:19] <ogra> ok, then its probably not a script
[16:19] <o00w> install: missing destination file operand after `./ncl_install'
[16:19] <o00w> there are two scripts though
[16:20] <o00w> autorun.sh and ...ok nm just one script
[16:20] <o00w> nm ncl_install is a script
[16:21] <o00w> but it doesn't have a sh file extension
[16:21] <sbalneav> Doesn't have to
[16:22] <sbalneav> perfectly acceptable to have a script without a .sh extention.
[16:22] <o00w> so the header #! /bin/bash is what defines it as a script?
[16:23] <sbalneav> Yup, that's called a shebang
[16:24] <o00w> wow and I thought you were joking
[16:37] <sbalneav> o00w: Know why "!" is called a "bang" in computer circles?
[16:38] <sbalneav> Because on the old IBM card punches, the "!" would punch out a whole row on the card.
[16:38] <sbalneav> This made the maximum number of the little fingers that made the punches move, making the loudest noise.
[16:39] <sbalneav> Therefore, "!" became known as a "bang"
[16:39] <sbalneav> It's also called a "dammit"
[16:39] <sbalneav> from the VI command :q!
[16:39] <o00w> interesting that wasn't in the wikipedia article or atleast I missed it
[16:39] <sbalneav> To quit without saving, usually after you've mucked up your edit.
[16:40] <sbalneav> read: "Quit, dammit!"
[16:40] <sbalneav> :)
[16:41] <sbalneav> http://www.ss64.com/bashsyntax/pronounce.html
[16:42] <bddebian> Heya
[17:41] <Petaris_Aki> Anyone care to help me debug a botched LDAP *client configuration on my LTSP server?
[17:41] <Petaris_Aki> I followed a how-to
[17:41] <Petaris_Aki> so I know exactly what I did
[17:42] <Petaris_Aki> I followed this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3723403
[19:15] <moquist_> Aaaarg! I my boss' boss just installed Edubuntu Gutsy and our boot times went UP. 8-o
[19:15] <moquist_> (according to him)
[19:15] <moquist_> I told him about LDM_DIRECTX so hopefully that will make those TCs sing once they're booted, anyway.
[19:16] <ogra1> unlikely ... LDM_DIRECTX doesnt help with booting
[19:18] <TelnetManta> ogra1: Could you test a site for me real quick?
[19:19] <TelnetManta> just need to make sure its responding from outside of my firewall
[19:21] <TelnetManta> nevermind
[19:24] <ogra1> just post the url
[19:24] <ogra1> there are 45 ppl in this channel, even if i wouldnt respond someone might be bored and take a look ;)
[19:27] <stgraber> ogra1: About iTalc, I'll just do a small shell script starting "ica" in a while loop, it's still possible for users to kill it but not that easy (as it won't show up with the iTalc icon in the gnome process list)
[19:27] <ogra1> yeah, sounds ok for a start
[19:28] <stgraber> ogra1: solutions like using sudo would introduce way to much changes (we can't really change the sudoers) and I don't like running it as root (that'd be a bad point for its main inclusion too :))
[19:28] <ogra1> yeah
[19:35] <TelnetManta> http://support.anderson5.net
[19:36] <TelnetManta> can anyone get to that url? Or even ping it?
[19:38] <stgraber> TelnetManta: I can
[19:39] <TelnetManta> thank you
[19:58] <gamed|ph> hi
[19:59] <gamed|ph> anybody knows how to change the ip of the ltsp-server the ltsp-client will connect to? My dhcp/tftpd runs on a different maschine then my ltsp
[20:05] <ogra__> you can use SERVER in lts.conf
[20:13] <gamed|ph> ogra__ i've already tried that
[20:13] <gamed|ph> but doesn't work :-(
[20:14] <ogra__> where does it break exactly ?
[20:15] <gamed|ph> i've to create a lts.conf in the same directory my kernels are located
[20:15] <gamed|ph> in tftproot
[20:16] <gamed|ph> and write something like [default] \n SERVER = 192.168.0.2
[20:18] <gamed|ph> I get initramfs shell of busybox
[20:18] <gamed|ph> and on Alt + F1 the mounts fail because "invalid argument"
[20:20] <moquist> ogra__: I know. But it may be enough to speed up the TCs after booting...that may tide him over.
[20:21] <moquist> gamed|ph: are you past setting next-server in dhcpd.conf?
[20:21] <ogra__> gamed|ph, aha ... thats gutsy then, right ?
[20:21] <gamed|ph> next-server is the ip of my tftpd, i want to change the ip for my ltsp because its not equal to the tftp/dhcp-ip
[20:22] <ogra__> if you are in busybox that means kernel and initramfs were loaded fine, so up to tftp everything is fine
[20:22]  * moquist nods
[20:22] <gamed|ph> ogra__: yes, of course
[20:22] <ogra__> it likely doesnt know where to get the rootfs from
[20:22] <gamed|ph> yeah, i don't know how to set the nfs-ip
[20:23] <ogra__> set nbdroot="<server ip>:<image serving port from inetd.conf>"
[20:23] <ogra__> in your pxelinux.cfg/default file
[20:23] <gamed|ph> at apped?
[20:23] <gamed|ph> *append
[20:23] <ogra__> right
[20:23] <ogra__> just after quiet and splash
[20:27] <moquist> ogra__: I did tell him (boss' boss) that I haven't even tested Gutsy with any of our TCs yet, and that we don't have it in production, etc. *shakes head*
[20:28] <ogra__> oh man
[20:33] <gamed|ph> ok it works - thanks! But now the authentification seems to be a problem :-/
[20:33] <gamed|ph> verifying password takes a very long time
[20:35] <ogra__> thats a bit tricky, you need the sshkey in your image
[20:36] <gamed|ph> ahh, in the /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img?
[20:36] <ogra__> ltsp-update-sshkeys does that
[20:37] <gamed|ph> "this workstation isn't authorized..." mh,ok
[20:37] <ogra__> but it will only work if the image server is the login server as well
[20:37] <ogra__> is that the case ?
[20:39] <gamed|ph> yes
[20:41] <gamed|ph> mh, this workstatio isn't authorized to cv
[20:41] <gamed|ph> onnect to the server
[20:41] <ogra__> run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys ; sudo ltsp-update-image .... get a coffee ... rebot the client if its done with the image
[20:42] <ogra__> that will fix the message
[20:42] <ogra__> i assume you changed the IP of the machine after you ran ltsp-build-client
[20:42] <ogra__> (its usually run on install in edubuntu fwiw) :)
[20:47] <gamed|ph> cool it works!
[20:47] <gamed|ph> thanks :-)
[20:48] <ogra__> gern geschehn :)
[20:48] <gamed|ph> ah du kannst auch deutsch
[20:48] <ogra__> jup
[20:48] <gamed|ph> da würg ich mir hier einen auf englisch ab ;-)
[20:49] <ogra__> bildet doch ;)
[20:49] <gamed|ph> haste zufällig ne gute idee wie ich das system nun noch an ne aktice directory anbinde?
[20:49] <ogra__> EDUbuntu :)
[20:50] <gamed|ph> ;-)
[20:50] <gamed|ph> *active
[20:51] <ogra__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280702 ?
[20:51] <ogra__> is fuer dapper ...
[20:54] <gamed|ph> kriegt man das nicht einfacher hin?
[20:54] <ogra__> nope
[20:55] <gamed|ph> k, thx
[21:35] <ace_suares> hi all, hi ogra__ !
[21:36] <ace_suares> for some reason, i installed from ubuntu gutsy alternate cd, not from edubuntu gutsy cd
[21:36] <ace_suares> what's the quick way to apt-get all the edubuntu stuff after the install si done.
[21:36] <ace_suares> It's not in the faq... can I put it in the faq after someone explained it to me ?
[21:43] <scrapbunny> edubuntu-desktop will get you most everything. i think you still need to add the games though
[21:47] <LaserJock> ace_suares: are you wanting LTSP or just educational apps?
[21:48] <ace_suares> Hi LaserJock!
[21:49] <ace_suares> LTSP, especially.
[21:49] <ace_suares> with edubuntu-desktop, is does it do ltsp-build-client and things ? And configure dhcp and all that ?
[21:51] <LaserJock> no
[21:51] <LaserJock> I don't think we have anything that does everything that the Edubuntu disk does
[21:51] <LaserJock> but you can do most of it at least
[21:51] <LaserJock> ogra__ would know specifically
[21:51] <ace_suares> see, it would be nice if there was some way to get the exact result from an ubuntu-cd + some apt-get magic, as an install form an edubuntu-cd
[21:52] <ace_suares> like a button on the desktop 'add kubuntu' or 'add edubuntu'
[21:52] <LaserJock> you want to install ltsp-server-standalone
[21:52] <ace_suares> or lacking that, a faq...
[21:52] <ace_suares> Is there a walktrough somewhere ?
[21:52] <LaserJock> ace_suares: I believe it's on a wiki page
[21:53] <ace_suares> yeah i looked troughthe edubuintu wiki but didn't quickly find what I needed...
[21:53] <ace_suares> I mean, i've done this before (apt-get ltsp-server-standalone and such) but I always was missing somethin
[21:53] <ace_suares> here or there...
[21:53] <ace_suares> or am i being dimwitted ?
[21:53] <LaserJock> this might work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
[21:55] <ace_suares> that page looks good... thanx !
[22:21] <ace_suares> ping ogra__
[22:22] <ace_suares> What's a good way to use alternative sources.list for ltsp-build-client ?
[22:22] <ace_suares> I have a local repository which saves me tons of time on every install and update of ubuntu, but ltsp-build-client uses
[22:22] <ace_suares> remote repos.
[22:23] <ace_suares> I think the name of the repos are in deifferent places, the security repo is in another place then the main ??
[22:24] <ace_suares> oh... you build ins ome options in 010-manage-mirrors ? let me see ...
[22:25] <ace_suares> --copy-sourceslist ? that would be cool !
[22:28] <ace_suares> nah... it still goes to security.ubuntu.com !
[22:38] <ace_suares> tried --early-mirror and --security-mirror, but it's awfully slow, so I think it's still going to the internet to retrieve packages
[22:39] <johnny> sbalneav, i tried the suggestion you had, still no dice, ssh -X user@ltspserver  from sh on the thinclients works fine
[22:40] <johnny> or rather.. i guess there was dice
[22:40] <johnny> i'm just at a loss of what to try next
[22:49] <ace_suares> I have a local mirror like this : http://tupac/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and I have dapper, feisty and gutsy there
[22:50] <ace_suares> the first part of the update goes fine, then suddenly it gives errors like 'http://tupac Releases.gz: ignored, can't find ...
[22:50] <ace_suares> In this case, it shouldn't strip the archive.ubuntu.com part...
[22:51] <ace_suares> i ran with ltsp-build-client --mirror http://tupac/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[22:51] <ace_suares> I don't get it....!
[23:05] <ace_suares> ah... tupac is not in the chrooted /etc/hosts !
[23:14] <ace_suares> this finally worked, in a couple of minutes ltsp-build-client completed !
[23:15] <ace_suares> ltsp-build-client --mirror http://10.10.10.10/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu --security-mirror http://10.10.10.10/archive.ubuntu.com/
[23:15] <ace_suares> note that if you put /ubuntu after the security mirror, it doesn't work!