[00:08] bdoin: subscribed, thanks [00:09] LaserJock: for the translations issue, you thing something can be done for gutsy ? [00:13] Silly qusetion...where would I look for ldm to play with settings? Are there any flat files for it? [00:16] it's lts.conf [00:16] those are the settings for it [00:17] darn.... [00:17] to get what you want, you'll prolly have to write some code [00:17] or get somebody else to write it for you [00:18] I wish I could write code..... [00:18] think there would be anyone out there interested inn doing it [00:18] nobody i know [00:18] except for pay obviously [00:19] yeah... [00:19] you should write out a description of exactly what you need, your post needs to be elaborated on [00:19] then post to the group? [00:20] yes [00:21] cool...I will give that a go [00:22] I have a few things I'm gonna try first...see what happens [00:29] bdoin: I really don't know, we have a fairly high barrier on what can go into the -updates repositories [00:30] bdoin: we can't have hundreds and hundreds of new packages going in [00:30] but gcompris translations are in a separate common translation package no ? [00:31] bdoin: on the other hand, if I can get a new translation put into the lang packs, which are updated something like monthly [00:31] without messing around with the gcompris package itself [00:31] I think we'd have a shot [00:31] I just don't have enough experience with translations to know exactly how difficult it'd be [00:31] but I can look into it and ask around [00:32] I'm still not 100% positive on what the problem is [00:32] are we just carrying old translations? or are they incomplete translations of the new versions [00:32] well we already have very good translations that we ship with each release. we are very formal on string freeze and it's sad it ends up so messy on Ubuntu [00:34] in many languages, GCompris is just not usable in schools [00:40] bdoin: because of Ubuntu messing up the translations? [00:41] yes [00:43] well that's not cool [00:43] we certianly shouldn't be making things worse [00:43] teachers in primary education does rarely speak english, at least in france. currently, when you launch GCompris in french, you have to dig around the menus to find something translated. [00:46] it's just annoying when translation are broken on some application but for the GCompris target and shool audience of Edubuntu, it's a show stopper [00:47] * bdoin have to sleep, bye [00:48] bdoin: well, I'm very sorry and I'll do my best to get this all cleaned up [00:49] thanks a lot, be assured that it's really important for non english speaker and it's a must for the credibility of edubuntu in the educational market [00:50] I agree [00:50] bye [01:11] anybody have a problem with firefox not completely closing on exit with ltsp? === [1]Netham45 is now known as Netham45 === nrp_ is now known as nrp [03:49] hi there [03:49] I need help mounting an ntfs drive please [03:51] is anyone having issues with 7.10 running slow on thin clients [03:52] I'm having issues mounting an ntfs drive [03:53] are you running edubuntu stand alone or as thin client? [03:54] I think it's the stand alone [03:54] I have tried a few faq's and websites but it still doesn't work [03:54] other than that I'm having good success with it and and happy [03:55] als I'm still a newbie [03:55] alas even [03:55] is this with 7.10? I'm a newbie too but will try to help :) [03:55] you have to use ntfs-3g [03:55] if you want read/write that is [03:56] it says that that driver is installed [03:56] yes it is 7.10 [03:57] I get an error msg [03:57] what is the message? [03:57] something about it wasn't dismounted properly [03:57] I treid what it said [03:57] and it didn't work [03:59] so have you ever been able to mount the drive? [03:59] no I havn't [03:59] not since the instal [04:00] do you have more than one user set up on this computer? [04:01] just me [04:01] when I try to acces it it says that I don't have permission tough [04:01] though even [04:02] used to say that [04:02] now it says unclean shut down [04:02] failed to mount [04:02] cannont mount volume [04:02] whem I click details it says [04:03] unclean shut down [04:04] when you click on system, Administration, then users and groups what does it show? [04:04] should be root and then your account [04:04] yes it does show that [04:05] can you click on your account and then Properties? [04:06] yes that works [04:07] then click the user priviledges and make sure administer system is checked [04:07] I checked it now [04:07] it wasn't checked? [04:08] no it wasn't [04:09] should I restart [04:09] now that is is checked i would do a restart and see if you can now mount the drive. from some of the other messages it sound like the computer was not turned off correctly at some point [04:10] so how do I fix that [04:10] how are you turning off the computer? [04:10] oh maybe i can try what it says again [04:11] I generally use the shutdown icon [04:11] unless something is frozen completely and I can't [04:12] I'll try a resart now though and come back it may have helped alot [04:12] i know that there are issues with the shutdown and especially hibernate and sleep mode so make sure you have run an update so you have any fixes [04:16] I'm back [04:16] I still get the same error message about unclean shutdown [04:17] mount is denied because ntfs is marked to be in use [04:19] have you opened terminal and typed sudo reboot ? [04:19] nope i havn't [04:20] I just got it to mount though just now [04:20] I can access my files yay [04:21] that is what is suggested on the forums. if you get the unclean shutdown again I would try that [04:21] :-D [04:24] I had to force a mount from console [04:24] that was of course after your help alowing my user administative privlages [04:24] that fised the first problem [04:24] fixed [04:24] then I had to use sudo to force a mount on the drive [04:24] now I have my files [04:24] thank you [04:24] your help is greatly appreciated [04:24] I have more questions for another day [04:24] but that will keep me happy till tomorrow [04:24] :) [04:25] I wish I could help you on your question [04:25] but I'm more of a newb than you [04:25] lol [04:27] no prob, i am trying to get 32 computers in my school lab going as thin clients. i have 14 set up and they are running a lot slower then they should [06:26] Tell please, whether it is possible to make, what OpenOffice it would be started as local_apps? And how it to make? I wish to lower loading on a server. And as in ltsp 5 to specify the coding, and that cyrillics on local device is displayed incorrectly [06:28] And still there is an appendix which everyone start in Wine, whether there is a sense to make administrative installation that all used one structure, whether will lower it loading? === effie_jayx is now known as man === man is now known as effie_jayx [14:45] Morning all [14:51] hi sbalneav [14:51] Morning RichEd [14:52] heya scottie [14:53] Morning sbalneav [14:54] Morning ogra [14:54] see my rantings in #ltsp? [14:54] nope [14:54] i'm not in there today [14:55] looks like we might have a nice alternative to getltscfg, eliminating the last binary [14:55] from the ltsp core package. [14:55] Q-Funk got a bit rude at me so i decided toi not do #ltsp for today [14:55] yay [14:55] thats awesome !! [14:55] Hopefully you still love ME though, right? [14:56] :) [14:56] indeed i do [14:56] just wanted to stop the argument with matin [14:56] * sbalneav hugs ogra [14:57] blaming me of spreading "nonsense" about amd [14:57] * ogra hugs sbalneav [14:57] What nonsense? [14:58] he says i would have gone around telling people a backport is the only possible solution ... (which is nonsense indeed) [14:58] I don't remember you saying anything like that. [14:58] all i asked was if someone had tried to backport the older working version ... whiout saying anything about idf it fixes stuiff or not [14:59] anyway, he was pretty wound up today, so i decided to stay out of the line of fire :) since my day was good so far and i didnt want to get wound up as well [15:00] :) [15:01] heh [15:01] * ogra has a new SDSL line sitting in the basement ... but still waiting to be able to use it ... and i'm so eager top see the upload rates ... [15:01] A tactical retreat is a perfectly valid strategy [15:01] but indeed they f*cked up my login data ... [15:01] ooh [15:01] so i'm waiting for them to fix it which apparently wont happen before apm today [15:02] *8pm [15:02] (twiddling thumbs for 4h more ) [15:02] yeah, we have a bunch of lawyers here who got blackberrys, so I've been dealing with a boatload of silly problems the last couple of days. [15:04] RichEd, btw http://lwn.net/Articles/198333/ [15:04] now getting the kernel team to accept it :) [15:05] cool is it a working patch ? [15:05] just needs approval ? [15:05] no idea [15:05] i just found it ... [15:06] but greg KH (one of the upstream kernel devs) didnt objetc it [15:06] so it seems to be fine from a general POV ... [15:06] but it was written for 2.6.18, we're at 2.6.24 with hardy [15:06] so might need modifications [15:07] but it means that we dont have to write it on our own, there is code that just needs to be made running on our current version [15:08] i'm waiting for BenC to get up to corner him and amitk and get some more info from the kernel team side [15:08] ogra: great news! [15:09] "utterly impossible" => "50 lines of code" => someone's already done the work [15:09] nice [15:09] \o/ [15:20] yo mr sladen ... fancy seeing you in here :) === ogra1 is now known as ogra [15:52] can someone help with installing a Novell client to my 7.04 install...I get an error "install: missing destination file operand after " [16:11] o00w: Novell client what? [16:12] sbalneav: Suse Novell Client 2.0 [16:12] I have no idea what that is :) [16:13] used for authenticating to network servers and handles script to automatically map drives for particular user accounts [16:13] also known as NetWare [16:17] anyway do you know what this error means...install: missing destination file operand after [16:17] this was the command I gave from terminal: sudo install ./ncl_install [16:17] Yeah, the install isn't finding something it needs. [16:18] is this client certified to work on Ubuntu, or only SuSE linux? [16:18] * ogra would guess thats a script on its own [16:18] i.e. did you try sudo ./ncl_install [16:18] ./ncl_install is not a bash command [16:19] ok, then its probably not a script [16:19] install: missing destination file operand after `./ncl_install' [16:19] there are two scripts though [16:20] autorun.sh and ...ok nm just one script [16:20] nm ncl_install is a script [16:21] but it doesn't have a sh file extension [16:21] Doesn't have to [16:22] perfectly acceptable to have a script without a .sh extention. [16:22] so the header #! /bin/bash is what defines it as a script? [16:23] Yup, that's called a shebang [16:24] wow and I thought you were joking [16:37] o00w: Know why "!" is called a "bang" in computer circles? [16:38] Because on the old IBM card punches, the "!" would punch out a whole row on the card. [16:38] This made the maximum number of the little fingers that made the punches move, making the loudest noise. [16:39] Therefore, "!" became known as a "bang" [16:39] It's also called a "dammit" [16:39] from the VI command :q! [16:39] interesting that wasn't in the wikipedia article or atleast I missed it [16:39] To quit without saving, usually after you've mucked up your edit. [16:40] read: "Quit, dammit!" [16:40] :) [16:41] http://www.ss64.com/bashsyntax/pronounce.html [16:42] Heya [17:41] Anyone care to help me debug a botched LDAP *client configuration on my LTSP server? [17:41] I followed a how-to [17:41] so I know exactly what I did [17:42] I followed this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3723403 [19:15] Aaaarg! I my boss' boss just installed Edubuntu Gutsy and our boot times went UP. 8-o [19:15] (according to him) [19:15] I told him about LDM_DIRECTX so hopefully that will make those TCs sing once they're booted, anyway. === moquist_ is now known as moquist [19:16] unlikely ... LDM_DIRECTX doesnt help with booting [19:18] ogra1: Could you test a site for me real quick? [19:19] just need to make sure its responding from outside of my firewall [19:21] nevermind [19:24] just post the url [19:24] there are 45 ppl in this channel, even if i wouldnt respond someone might be bored and take a look ;) [19:27] ogra1: About iTalc, I'll just do a small shell script starting "ica" in a while loop, it's still possible for users to kill it but not that easy (as it won't show up with the iTalc icon in the gnome process list) [19:27] yeah, sounds ok for a start [19:28] ogra1: solutions like using sudo would introduce way to much changes (we can't really change the sudoers) and I don't like running it as root (that'd be a bad point for its main inclusion too :)) [19:28] yeah [19:35] http://support.anderson5.net [19:36] can anyone get to that url? Or even ping it? [19:38] TelnetManta: I can [19:39] thank you [19:58] hi [19:59] anybody knows how to change the ip of the ltsp-server the ltsp-client will connect to? My dhcp/tftpd runs on a different maschine then my ltsp [20:05] you can use SERVER in lts.conf [20:13] ogra__ i've already tried that [20:13] but doesn't work :-( [20:14] where does it break exactly ? [20:15] i've to create a lts.conf in the same directory my kernels are located [20:15] in tftproot [20:16] and write something like [default] \n SERVER = 192.168.0.2 [20:18] I get initramfs shell of busybox [20:18] and on Alt + F1 the mounts fail because "invalid argument" [20:20] ogra__: I know. But it may be enough to speed up the TCs after booting...that may tide him over. [20:21] gamed|ph: are you past setting next-server in dhcpd.conf? [20:21] gamed|ph, aha ... thats gutsy then, right ? [20:21] next-server is the ip of my tftpd, i want to change the ip for my ltsp because its not equal to the tftp/dhcp-ip [20:22] if you are in busybox that means kernel and initramfs were loaded fine, so up to tftp everything is fine [20:22] * moquist nods [20:22] ogra__: yes, of course [20:22] it likely doesnt know where to get the rootfs from [20:22] yeah, i don't know how to set the nfs-ip [20:23] set nbdroot=":" [20:23] in your pxelinux.cfg/default file [20:23] at apped? [20:23] *append [20:23] right [20:23] just after quiet and splash [20:27] ogra__: I did tell him (boss' boss) that I haven't even tested Gutsy with any of our TCs yet, and that we don't have it in production, etc. *shakes head* [20:28] oh man [20:33] ok it works - thanks! But now the authentification seems to be a problem :-/ [20:33] verifying password takes a very long time [20:35] thats a bit tricky, you need the sshkey in your image [20:36] ahh, in the /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img? [20:36] ltsp-update-sshkeys does that [20:37] "this workstation isn't authorized..." mh,ok [20:37] but it will only work if the image server is the login server as well [20:37] is that the case ? [20:39] yes [20:41] mh, this workstatio isn't authorized to cv [20:41] onnect to the server [20:41] run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys ; sudo ltsp-update-image .... get a coffee ... rebot the client if its done with the image [20:42] that will fix the message [20:42] i assume you changed the IP of the machine after you ran ltsp-build-client [20:42] (its usually run on install in edubuntu fwiw) :) [20:47] cool it works! [20:47] thanks :-) [20:48] gern geschehn :) [20:48] ah du kannst auch deutsch [20:48] jup [20:48] da würg ich mir hier einen auf englisch ab ;-) [20:49] bildet doch ;) [20:49] haste zufällig ne gute idee wie ich das system nun noch an ne aktice directory anbinde? [20:49] EDUbuntu :) [20:50] ;-) [20:50] *active [20:51] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280702 ? [20:51] is fuer dapper ... [20:54] kriegt man das nicht einfacher hin? [20:54] nope [20:55] k, thx [21:35] hi all, hi ogra__ ! [21:36] for some reason, i installed from ubuntu gutsy alternate cd, not from edubuntu gutsy cd [21:36] what's the quick way to apt-get all the edubuntu stuff after the install si done. [21:36] It's not in the faq... can I put it in the faq after someone explained it to me ? [21:43] edubuntu-desktop will get you most everything. i think you still need to add the games though [21:47] ace_suares: are you wanting LTSP or just educational apps? [21:48] Hi LaserJock! [21:49] LTSP, especially. [21:49] with edubuntu-desktop, is does it do ltsp-build-client and things ? And configure dhcp and all that ? [21:51] no [21:51] I don't think we have anything that does everything that the Edubuntu disk does [21:51] but you can do most of it at least [21:51] ogra__ would know specifically [21:51] see, it would be nice if there was some way to get the exact result from an ubuntu-cd + some apt-get magic, as an install form an edubuntu-cd [21:52] like a button on the desktop 'add kubuntu' or 'add edubuntu' [21:52] you want to install ltsp-server-standalone [21:52] or lacking that, a faq... [21:52] Is there a walktrough somewhere ? [21:52] ace_suares: I believe it's on a wiki page [21:53] yeah i looked troughthe edubuintu wiki but didn't quickly find what I needed... [21:53] I mean, i've done this before (apt-get ltsp-server-standalone and such) but I always was missing somethin [21:53] here or there... [21:53] or am i being dimwitted ? [21:53] this might work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall [21:55] that page looks good... thanx ! === [1]Netham45 is now known as Netham45 [22:21] ping ogra__ [22:22] What's a good way to use alternative sources.list for ltsp-build-client ? [22:22] I have a local repository which saves me tons of time on every install and update of ubuntu, but ltsp-build-client uses [22:22] remote repos. [22:23] I think the name of the repos are in deifferent places, the security repo is in another place then the main ?? [22:24] oh... you build ins ome options in 010-manage-mirrors ? let me see ... [22:25] --copy-sourceslist ? that would be cool ! [22:28] nah... it still goes to security.ubuntu.com ! [22:38] tried --early-mirror and --security-mirror, but it's awfully slow, so I think it's still going to the internet to retrieve packages [22:39] sbalneav, i tried the suggestion you had, still no dice, ssh -X user@ltspserver from sh on the thinclients works fine [22:40] or rather.. i guess there was dice [22:40] i'm just at a loss of what to try next [22:49] I have a local mirror like this : http://tupac/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and I have dapper, feisty and gutsy there [22:50] the first part of the update goes fine, then suddenly it gives errors like 'http://tupac Releases.gz: ignored, can't find ... [22:50] In this case, it shouldn't strip the archive.ubuntu.com part... [22:51] i ran with ltsp-build-client --mirror http://tupac/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [22:51] I don't get it....! [23:05] ah... tupac is not in the chrooted /etc/hosts ! [23:14] this finally worked, in a couple of minutes ltsp-build-client completed ! [23:15] ltsp-build-client --mirror http://10.10.10.10/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu --security-mirror http://10.10.10.10/archive.ubuntu.com/ [23:15] note that if you put /ubuntu after the security mirror, it doesn't work!