[00:00] <RdPB> i try using dmraid
[00:00] <BluesKaj> keith, it should be in the k-menu
[00:00] <RdPB> but...
[00:00] <BluesKaj> if it's motherboard then it's BIOS
[00:00] <keith> BluesKaj it is not showing up in the k-menu
[00:01] <JohnFlux> RdPB: in windows, did you have to do anything special to get it to work?
[00:01] <BluesKaj> keith, not in utililties
[00:01] <JohnFlux> RdPB: I'm trying to work out if it is software raid or hardware raid
[00:02] <RdPB> when i install windows i press f10 and pass the driver of the motherboard
[00:02] <JohnFlux> hmmm
[00:02] <JohnFlux> RdPB: what motherboard?
[00:02] <RdPB> MSI P965 platinum
[00:02] <keith> nope not in the utilities Blueskaj
[00:02] <RdPB> with fedora 8 and suse 10.3 its plays
[00:02] <JohnFlux> RdPB: if I google for that, I bet I find it is fake raid :(
[00:02] <BluesKaj> keith , try launching from the Konsole
[00:03] <keith> I tried vmware and got a bash error that so no such command.
[00:03] <urbmen> just incase I'm doing this wrong as for everything I have tried installing this eveing since installing Kubuntu has said it is missing some file or somthing have I missed anything out
[00:03] <keith> BluesKaj I am not certain that I have it installed correctly.
[00:03] <BluesKaj> right keith , i suspect that may be the case
[00:03] <JohnFlux> RdPB: it doesn't show up in ubuntu though?
[00:04] <keith> Can you help me get it installed correctly then blueskaj
[00:04] <RdPB> no
[00:04] <RdPB> when i run dmraid activate the raid
[00:04] <RdPB> when i see with fdisk -l i see the disk and with raid and without
[00:05] <RdPB> and when i try to install then its see many partions that are mapped
[00:05] <urbmen> as at the moment I am trying to install that w32 thing and it is saying libstdc++5 is missing so it can not install tat, so I get it, its an rpm file I type rpm -ivh (the file name) thats then needs a load of files
[00:05] <JohnFlux> RdPB: do you have a /dev/md0  ?
[00:05] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: sudo aptitude install w32codecs ?
[00:05] <raylu> urbmen, are you still trying to install winamp?
[00:05] <BluesKaj> keith , it's been a while and I had help to install it too, but found it rather frustrating to use , so i removed it ..I won't be much help I'm afraid
[00:06] <sn00zer> howdy all, i'm having aptitude issues, i typically use apt-get but when i go into aptitude it wants to remove alot of packages because they are unused, but they aren't unused, amarok shows up on the list and its open at the time
[00:06] <BluesKaj> !VMWare
[00:06] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[00:06] <RdPB> JohnFlux: i see /dev/sda
[00:07] <raylu> sn00zer, what operation do you want apt to actually do?
[00:07] <WaltzingAlong> sn00zer: if you have not been using aptitude all of the time then it does not know which items you installed elsewhere; it keeps track of that; sudo aptitude then find (main) ones it wants to remove, instruct aptitude to keep (add/install) it
[00:07] <JohnFlux> RdPB: is that sda  the raid system?  or just one of the hard disks?
[00:07] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: add the medibuntu repositories then sudo aptitude update and then sudo aptitude install w32codecs
[00:08] <JohnFlux> RdPB: do you have a    /dev/sda1 ?
[00:08] <sn00zer> i'm not trying to do anything in particular right now, but a few days ago i noticed it and want to fix it
[00:08] <keith> BluesKaj I am just trying to run XP so that I can use Quicken and Quickbooks, but virtualbox doesn't want to work well with screen resolutions.
[00:08] <WaltzingAlong> sn00zer: and my comments let you know how
[00:08] <RdPB> JohnFlux:  can i post you to see it?
[00:08] <JohnFlux> RdPB: okay
[00:08] <WaltzingAlong> !wine | keith
[00:08] <ubotu> keith: WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[00:09] <raylu> keith, i think those will work with wine
[00:09] <raylu> what he said =\
[00:09] <keith> Wine does not work well with bank downloads.
[00:09] <raylu> bank downloads = ?
[00:09] <keith> Wine does not work well at all.
[00:09] <JohnFlux> RdPB: do:  ls /dev/sd*    and post me the results of that
[00:09] <urbmen> I was about to give up then and go to bed as my brain feels like mush, but that seems to be working thank you
[00:09] <raylu> wine works for WoW; i'd be surprised if it couldn't handle a banking operation
[00:10] <ardchoille> urbmen: Give up? Welcome to the addiction :)
[00:10] <sn00zer> thanks waltzingalong
[00:10] <BluesKaj> will Open Office handle Quicken and Quickbook files and apps
[00:10] <WaltzingAlong> ah what?
[00:10] <raylu> i don't think so
[00:10] <JohnFlux> RdPB: are you trying to /msg  me?
[00:11] <WaltzingAlong> !info kmymoney2 | keith
[00:11] <ubotu> keith: kmymoney2: personal finance manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.7-2 (gutsy), package size 7078 kB, installed size 14424 kB
[00:11] <urbmen> lol, I've always wanted to learn Linux
[00:11] <WaltzingAlong> !info gnucash | keith
[00:11] <ubotu> keith: gnucash: A personal finance tracking program. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.2.1-1ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 1746 kB, installed size 5360 kB
[00:11] <RdPB> yes
[00:11] <RdPB> JohnFlux: yes
[00:11] <JohnFlux> RdPB: you aren't idenitified
[00:11] <JohnFlux> you can't message anyone
[00:11] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: using kubuntu you never *need* to learn Linux
[00:11] <urbmen> whys that then
[00:11] <keith> Thanks WaltzingAlong but they both suck as far as keeping track of tax situations.
[00:11] <JohnFlux> RdPB: join #johnflux  :)
[00:12] <WaltzingAlong> keith: then may i interest you in seamless rdp with your virtual machine
[00:12] <keith> What is seamless rdp?
[00:13] <WaltzingAlong> urbmen: just because to use a system one not need to know how the pieces of it work
[00:13] <keith> WaltzingAlong I can't get a virtual machine running properly that is the problem.
[00:13] <urbmen> I dont have to reboot or anything do I for it to work
[00:13] <WaltzingAlong> keith: because of not getting virtualbox into fullscreen?
[00:14] <WaltzingAlong> keith: http://www.cendio.com/seamlessrdp/
[00:14] <i00nsu> well i cant edit startmenu... i cant start bootup manager, I cant open configuration manager, .... what is happening? the programs do not start... :/
[00:14] <keith> I have been unable to virtualbox into seamless windows mode to get a decent screen size.
[00:14] <urbmen> I want to learn it thought so I can support it
[00:15] <WaltzingAlong> keith: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=363649
[00:15] <raylu> i00nsu, can you run a konsole?
[00:15] <i00nsu> yes
[00:15] <Minataku> One should learn Linux, IMO
[00:15] <Minataku> If you're going to use something, you should at least learn a little about it
[00:15] <raylu> i00nsu, run whatever's not working from the konsole, then.
[00:16] <raylu> and what are "startmenu," "bootup manager," and "configuration manager?"
[00:16] <i00nsu> or... no ... i have closed the other and now the kansole is not working too
[00:16] <i00nsu> thats wierd
[00:16] <i00nsu> yes
[00:16] <i00nsu> in the configuration manager
[00:17] <raylu> kcontrol?
[00:17] <keith> Waltzingalong will this get seamless windows to work in virtualbox?
[00:18] <BluesKaj> ok,you SVN Experts : I think I've got kde4 65% installed (using SVN) , I'm at the ~/kde/build/KDE/kdebase$ prompt , but the previous line looks like an error , but I'm not sure what it means :[ 65%] Built target krandrtray/ make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kaj/kde/build/KDE/kdebase'/make: *** [all] Error 2.
[00:18] <i00nsu> nothing raylu
[00:18] <stdin> BluesKaj: it means something failed to compile somewhere earlier on
[00:19]  * WaltzingAlong has not used virtualbox (just vmware server); keith perhaps check too in #virtualbox
[00:19] <keith> WalzingAlong Virtualbox is the closed I have come to getting XP on my box, but I can't get the seamless stuff to work
[00:19] <keith> WaltzingAlong I have tried to install vmware server but have botched it.  I can't seem to get it running.
[00:19] <i00nsu> if i do here /exec konsole or sudo sometiog says [DCOP] Error
[00:20] <WaltzingAlong> keith: on gutsy?
[00:20] <keith> yes WaltzingAlong on gutsy
[00:20] <BluesKaj> stdin, i remember something about xine-video-widget, but i couldn't find it in the pkg managers
[00:20] <raylu> i00nsu, i had that issue earlier too; I rebooted
[00:20] <i00nsu> can't find script 'sudo' or 'konsole'
[00:21] <i00nsu> ok, lets see :P
[00:21] <stdin> BluesKaj: try running make again, it should skip right to the error and repost it
[00:22] <urbmen> I'm still getting - No suitable demux plugin, do I have to restart my machine or anything?
[00:22] <BluesKaj> stdin, make or cmake
[00:22] <BluesKaj> ?
[00:22] <stdin> BluesKaj: make
[00:23] <BluesKaj> ok
[00:23] <raylu> urbmen, no
[00:23] <raylu> urbmen, what are you trying to do anyway?
[00:23] <urbmen> stream internet radio
[00:23] <FroggyTheGreat> Oo, newly graded to Gutsy
[00:24] <FroggyTheGreat> Could someone please remind me where I can find the updated drivers for an Intel 845 graphics card?
[00:25] <stdin> just use the "intel" driver
[00:25] <urbmen> on a different note, what does this command line mean? sudo aptitude install
[00:25] <FroggyTheGreat> Specifically, I've got a 1680x1050 LCD monitor and the upgrade to Gutsy lost the config.
[00:26] <stdin> urbmen: aptitude is like apt-get
[00:26] <stdin> !aptitude
[00:26] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[00:26] <FroggyTheGreat> !drivers
[00:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about drivers - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:26] <urbmen> oright kool
[00:26]  * FroggyTheGreat sighs
[00:28] <BluesKaj> !intel
[00:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:28] <urbmen> YYYYYYYYYYYYYYeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssss
[00:28] <BluesKaj> !intel graphics
[00:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intel graphics - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:28] <Tm_T> urbmen: erm
[00:28] <urbmen> I'd for got to install the libxine1-ffmpeg
[00:29] <urbmen> its working
[00:29] <urbmen> thank you for your help
[00:31] <stdin> FroggyTheGreat: try the 915resolution tool
[00:31] <BluesKaj> stdin, make[1]: *** [workspace/kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kcm_keyboard_layout.dir/all] Error 2. make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kaj/kde/build/KDE/kdebase' make: *** [all] Error 2
[00:31] <stdin> BluesKaj: anything before that?
[00:32] <stdin> try "make &>makelog.log"  then post the file to pastebin
[00:33] <BluesKaj> stdin, home/kaj/kde/src/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kcontrol/kxkb/x11helper.cpp:37:37: error: X11/extensions/XKBrules.h: No such file or directory.make[2]: *** [workspace/kcontrol/kxkb/CMakeFiles/kcm_keyboard_layout.dir/x11helper.o] Error 1
[00:33] <stdin> ahh
[00:34] <yan> hi! problem : kubuntu (gutsy) +inspiron 9400 + wifi 3945. all work on windows... in linux, nothing work and the green led stay close even if i do fn+f2. thanx
[00:34] <FroggyTheGreat> stdin - what is the 915 resolution tool?
[00:34] <stdin> BluesKaj: that seem to be in the libxkbfile-dev package, try installing it
[00:35] <yan> lspci | grep -i network correctly identify the card
[00:35] <BluesKaj> right on stdin , thx ..will do that
[00:35] <stdin> FroggyTheGreat: it lets you set the native resolution for your GPU
[00:35] <FroggyTheGreat> I mean, where does one find it?
[00:35] <FroggyTheGreat> Or launch it?
[00:36] <stdin> FroggyTheGreat: you need to edit /etc/default/915resolution to have the settings you want, then it starts at boot
[00:37] <stdin> FroggyTheGreat: or you can start it manually with "sudo /etc/init.d/915resolution restart"
[00:37] <FroggyTheGreat> Let's try that then
[00:38] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, not installed.  Lovely.
[00:38] <FroggyTheGreat> know offhand the apt-get package name?
[00:38] <stdin> "915resolution" ;)
[00:38] <FroggyTheGreat> wooga
[00:38] <yan> i don't want to spam but anyone read my problem?
[00:39] <stdin> yan: if you have gutsy, setup a wired connection then go to system settings > advanced > restricted drivers
[00:39] <WaltzingAlong> yan: and you need a module that correctly interfaces with it
[00:41] <yan> "need to install the  package linux-restricted-modules for this to work"
[00:41] <yan> i uninstalled it cuz i have to install nvidia driver and they say to do that..
[00:42] <stdin> you should use the packaged driver too
[00:42] <stdin> and you are going to need the restricted packages to get the wireless working
[00:42] <stdin> (i'm thinking it's a broadcom)
[00:42] <yan> will installing that package will disturb my nvidia driver installed with envy?
[00:43] <stdin> eww, envy, BAD
[00:43] <WaltzingAlong> !envy | yan
[00:43] <ubotu> yan: envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[00:43] <stdin> just use the restricted manager an prey envy hasn't broken anything
[00:43] <yan> well.. it solved a lot of problem
[00:44] <WaltzingAlong> pray*
[00:44] <stdin> heh, thanks WaltzingAlong
[00:44] <WaltzingAlong> usually it steals from peter to pay paul
[00:44] <i00nsu__> something strange here... i edit last boot rc.local with this line> sh /home/user/scripts/mount.user and the boot up stoped... now i am on live cd mode, started qtparted and i have two swap partitions... ":> what was wrong with the rc.local comand, and can i delete one of the swap partiions >?
[00:44] <WaltzingAlong> looks like something works, it does even, but several other things are broken that show up later
[00:44] <ubuntu__> i love kde xD
[00:45] <yan> so i need to reinstall kubuntu ?
[00:45] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: maybe you wanted & at the end of that?
[00:45] <BluesKaj> stdin, ok , make looks like it finished with no errors , but should I run cmake again since it finished at 65% during the previous step ?
[00:45] <FroggyTheGreat> Oookay, 915reesolution is not finding 1680x1050, which is my LCD's intended resolution.
[00:45] <WaltzingAlong> yan: perhaps not.
[00:46] <stdin> BluesKaj: cmake is like the running "./configure" you should only need to run it once. but running it again will do no harm
[00:46] <yan> i should install restricted driver with apt-get or aptitude?
[00:46] <WaltzingAlong> yan: either or
[00:47] <WaltzingAlong> yan: but you can use the restricted manager to do it for you
[00:47] <BluesKaj> stdin, /usr/bin/cmake -E cmake_progress_report /home/kaj/kde/build/KDE/kdebase/CMakeFiles  100
[00:47] <BluesKaj> [100%] Built target krootimage
[00:47] <DreadKnight> test
[00:47] <stdin> DreadKnight: faild
[00:48] <FroggyTheGreat> So 915resolution isn't finding the right resolution mode - it's not on the list.  Any ideas?
[00:48] <DreadKnight> omg >_<
[00:48] <i00nsu__> well... so kubuntu can run with two swap partions... and is nothing wrong with that? ok... and the end of rc.local file have this line> exit:0 ... this should be the probl?
[00:48] <stdin> BluesKaj: ok, seems it's all good then :)
[00:49] <DreadKnight> is there a desktop recording software using qt ... something similar to recordmydesktop_gtk ?
[00:49] <BluesKaj> stdin, coolness :) thx
[00:49] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: perhaps take a look at one of the other rc scripts to get a feel for what they contain
[00:49] <WaltzingAlong> !find recordmydesktop
[00:49] <ubotu> Found: gtk-recordmydesktop, krecordmydesktop, recordmydesktop
[00:49] <WaltzingAlong> not as nifty but yes
[00:49] <WaltzingAlong> !info krecordmydesktop DreadKnight
[00:49] <ubotu> krecordmydesktop: kde frontend to recordmydesktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1~alpha1+debian-1 (gutsy), package size 75 kB, installed size 300 kB
[00:49] <DreadKnight> WaltzingAlong: thanks :)
[00:50] <yan> ok restricted driver r install
[00:50] <yan> my card is checked and status : in use
[00:50] <stdin> !away > Aresilek|Away
[00:50] <WaltzingAlong> DreadKnight: through launching it from konsole with 'recordmydesktop' is not so tough (and the krecordmydesktop seems to be missing lots of the options)
[00:50] <yan> i still dont see the green led and kwifimanager dont detect it
[00:51] <WaltzingAlong> yan: and now in konsole any wifi extensions with   iwconfig  ?
[00:51] <yan> same
[00:51] <yan> nothign found
[00:51] <yan> do i have to reboot?
[00:51] <DreadKnight> :)
[00:52] <DreadKnight> kinda bad most application start or use "K" xD
[00:52] <DreadKnight> ~s
[00:52] <yan> ok im rebooting
[00:53] <WaltzingAlong> ok yan you know where to find us
[00:55] <i00nsu__> something very very wrong here... none of the drives here is qtparted is the old drive instalation, so i cannot redit rc.local to delete the line...
[00:56] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: booted from the livecd? then you may wish to mount your local hd
[00:56] <i00nsu__> yes
[00:56] <i00nsu__> hm
[00:57] <i00nsu__> i have mounted all partiotion and none of them is the real
[00:57] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: otherwise in the 'livecd' the hd that appears there is not your computer's hd
[00:57] <i00nsu__> thats right
[00:57] <i00nsu__> so _
[00:57] <yan> back
[00:57] <yan> the reboot helped
[00:57] <yan> led is flashing
[00:57] <yan> iwconfig detect
[00:58] <yan> now i have to set wpa.. going to google for it.. thanks again guys
[00:58] <WaltzingAlong> great glad you got it going yan
[00:59] <yan> i just hope nothing break cuz of envy
[00:59] <yan> i need official nvidia driver, else i could not do dual screen...
[00:59] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: so figure out which device that should be. qtparted should show it. then which partition, mount it        sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/otherdrive -o defaults,rw       something like that
[00:59] <yan> and the normal instal break xserver
[00:59] <yan> only envy worked..
[00:59] <WaltzingAlong> yan, ok. or manual; and now restricted manager takes care of it
[01:00] <m_tadeu> hi...does anyone knows if kaffeine supports .sub files?
[01:00] <i00nsu__> but WaltzingAlong if i try to startup normaly i can go sleep and to boot is stoped in  execution rc.local ..
[01:00] <FroggyTheGreat> Okay, 915resolution doesn't seem to find the right graphics mode I want - there aren't any widescreen modes listed.
[01:01] <DreadKnight> m_tadeu: yes it does :)
[01:01] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: yeah sorry i do not know enough about manually editing scripts there. look at some of the existing ones, follow that pattern; in the livecd you could mount the partition on the hard drive inside your computer (i just sent that command). then you could edit the files as needed through /media/otherdrive/etc/ and so on
[01:02] <FroggyTheGreat> I've got the xserver-xorg-video-i810 and xserver-xorg-video-intel packages installed -would they be conflicting?
[01:02] <i00nsu__> the real is not here. WaltzingAlong it is not! sould i try mount /dev/ghost ?
[01:02] <m_tadeu> DreadKnight: well I'm trying to play an avi with a .sub that has the same name. it shows in the subtitles combo box, but no text on screen
[01:03] <WaltzingAlong> i00nsu__: that is a trick in itself
[01:03] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone know which driver I need to be using for my Intel 845 graphics card?
[01:03] <FroggyTheGreat> This worked before I upgraded to Gutsy, and I know it's a simple fix...
[01:04] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto  ?
[01:04] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: or restricted manager takes care of it?
[01:04] <FroggyTheGreat> Restricted manager is what?
[01:05] <WaltzingAlong> kmenu/system settings/advanced/restricted manager; ease the management of installing the restricted modules/drivers
[01:06] <FroggyTheGreat> thanks.
[01:06] <FroggyTheGreat> Says my hardware doesn't need restricted drivers.
[01:07] <BluesKaj> oh well, I tried ..gonna take a break from the kde4 pursuit ..still on 3.58 so I dunno where to go from here, altho kde4 appeared to install , I see no evidence of it in the login
[01:08] <FroggyTheGreat> Nevertheless, it's either I get 1600x1200 and it's squished to fit into 16680x1050, or I get 1680x1050, but with a moveable 1024x768 viewport.
[01:09] <FroggyTheGreat> Does the fact that I have two xserver-xorg-video packages installed hurt me?
[01:09] <MilitantPotato> FroggyTheGreat: resolution is rarely a video driver problem...
[01:09] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok.
[01:09] <MilitantPotato> atleast from what I've seen.
[01:09] <FroggyTheGreat> Any ideas, then?
[01:09] <FroggyTheGreat> I've done all the software and config-file things I know to do.
[01:09] <WaltzingAlong> !info xserver-xorg-video-intel | FroggyTheGreat
[01:09] <ubotu> froggythegreat: xserver-xorg-video-intel: X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver. In component main, is optional. Version 2:2.1.1-0ubuntu9 (gutsy), package size 173 kB, installed size 476 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm armeb armel hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 lpia m68k mips mipsel netbsd-i386 powerpc)
[01:10] <i00nsu__> ok ... i think this is nonsense... i will reinstall kubuntu
[01:10] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, that's a lot of information, but it's gibberish.  I think.
[01:10]  * BluesKaj wonders where KDE4 hides out after installation 
[01:10] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj:  /usr/lib/kde4 ?
[01:11] <yan> back, wifi wpa up and running...
[01:11] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: so in feisty and gutsy xserver-xorg-video-intel replaces i8xx and i9xx (you reported having 845)
[01:11] <yan> i would like to thanks you guys for you're help
[01:11] <FroggyTheGreat> Ok, so I uninstall i810 then.
[01:12] <FroggyTheGreat> right?
[01:12] <BluesKaj> WaltzingAlong, nope :(
[01:13] <MilitantPotato> FroggyTheGreat: install xserver-xorg-video-intel
[01:13] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: and no problem having more packages installed; could install xserver-xorg-video-all; pick which you want in         sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh           (intel)
[01:14] <FroggyTheGreat> xserver-xorg-video-all makes the others redundant then?
[01:15] <WaltzingAlong> just a meta package to grab all of them
[01:15] <MilitantPotato> it will check them all for you if I recall correctly.
[01:16] <MilitantPotato> !offtopic > militantpotato
[01:16] <FroggyTheGreat> Hunh.  I wonder why the system administration app won't let me change the video drivers through the gui.
[01:17] <inaety> how can i have the alt+f2 open to swiftfox instead of konqueror when i enter a web address?
[01:17] <WaltzingAlong> inaety: change default browser
[01:17] <inaety> WaltzingAlong: under what?
[01:17] <inaety> is there something in kcontrol
[01:18] <raylu> inaety, search for keyboard shortcuts in kcontrol
[01:18] <MilitantPotato> FroggyTheGreat: you can edit your xorg.conf to load the intel drivers, or reconfigure xserver
[01:18] <WaltzingAlong> inaety: yes search default applications
[01:18] <raylu> oh, wait, you want default applications
[01:18] <MilitantPotato> The GUI bit doesn't work for me either.
[01:18] <inaety> WaltzingAlong: ah i just found it.  that was too easy, sorry to waste your time
[01:19] <WaltzingAlong> inaety: ha ha ;)
[01:19] <raylu> why doesn't firefox's "check now" for default browser work in gutsy and
[01:19] <raylu> is 2.0.0.9 in backports?
[01:20] <m_tadeu> anyone? my kaffeine is not playing .sub files
[01:20] <raylu> sub files are subtitles, aren't they?
[01:20] <m_tadeu> yup
[01:20] <raylu> oh, you mean read them?
[01:20] <inaety> m_tadeu: you right click in the video, go to subtitles, and choose them, i thought?
[01:21] <WaltzingAlong> are the 2.x.x.x firefox releases anything other than fixes for when on ms windows?
[01:21] <m_tadeu> I do...the subtitles are selected but don't apear on screen
[01:21] <WaltzingAlong> m_tadeu: not sure. in vlc i need to load subtitles by selecting from a menu
[01:21] <FroggyTheGreat> IT WORKED!
[01:21] <FroggyTheGreat> Thank you, all who helped me.
[01:22] <BluesKaj> Wonder what's wrong: ssh -X kde-devel@localhost     ssh: connect to host localhost port 22: Connection refused
[01:23] <m_tadeu> BluesKaj: I think you can't ssh to localhost....as far as I know
[01:23] <m_tadeu> BluesKaj: my mistake...you can :)
[01:24] <BluesKaj> well , the instructions : You can now run KDE 4 programs (e.g. kwrite) by typing: ssh -X kde-devel@localhost
[01:25] <m_tadeu> do you have openssh-server installed?
[01:25] <FroggyTheGreat> Oo, here's an offhand semiflamebait question - Anyone succeeded in getting Amarok to administer a Zune?
[01:25] <WaltzingAlong> openssh-server installed and allowusers set to allow kde-devel (or the new user you created)
[01:25] <FroggyTheGreat> ...not bloody likely, I'm thinking.
[01:26] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: not sure. try a search or check in kde or amarok channels: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3708120
[01:26] <ignoramus> Need help with permissions...
[01:26] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+question/16373
[01:27] <raylu> !permissions
[01:27] <ubotu> An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[01:27] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus: you _may_ ask your questions here :) those kinds of permissions?
[01:27] <raylu> lol
[01:27] <FroggyTheGreat> Whoah, there's an answer for that.
[01:27] <raylu> o.0
[01:27] <WaltzingAlong> !anything | FroggyTheGreat, almost anything ;D
[01:27] <ubotu> FroggyTheGreat, almost anything ;D: So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[01:27] <ignoramus> i copied a bunch of music from another computer to dvd, and transferred the files to a folder in dolphin... (more coming)
[01:27] <FroggyTheGreat> Heh
[01:28] <FroggyTheGreat> So now the question is - do I have partition space I want to dump into a Win2K vmware?
[01:28] <ignoramus> a few didn't take (they are reading as "0kb"), so now when i try to overwrite them with a "good" version of the file, permission is denied
[01:28] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus: sudo chown ignoramus:ignoramus /home/ignoramus/ -R              should reset them                  or you could check the permissions of them
[01:28] <ignoramus> i can copy them to another foler, and *then* overwrite, but not from disc. what gives?
[01:29] <ignoramus> waltzingalong: i'll try that... brb
[01:29] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: you could use a file to store the virtual hd used in vmware
[01:29] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: since you copied from a cd/dvd permissions might be as read only
[01:30] <BluesKaj> heh , kde-devel@localhost is asking for a password , it never asked me to create one :)
[01:30] <FroggyTheGreat> Yeah, but it's more a matter of do I feel like bothering, or do I e-bay this Zune off for more than I paid for it?
[01:30] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: even though i enabled read/write permissions for all users with this particular folder?
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: "sudo passwd kde-devel"
[01:31] <stacey> is there a good dvd copying program that anyone can reccomend?  one that backs up movie dvds and compresses them when necessary?
[01:31] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: try checking the permissions of that specific file
[01:31] <WaltzingAlong> !info k9copy | stacey
[01:31] <ubotu> stacey: k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.3-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1409 kB, installed size 2748 kB
[01:31] <raylu> stacey, that's not dvd copying...
[01:31] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: it seems to be all the files in my "Music" folder
[01:32] <stacey> right i'm looking for something thats similar to dvd xcopy in windows
[01:32] <raylu> ignoramus, but what are the permissions?
[01:32] <stacey> compress and copy for dvd movies
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> ignoramus: m_tadeu: yes my reply was typed when you mentioned about dolphin and ... well liked mentioned, may be other issues than just kdesu issues
[01:32] <ignoramus> raylu: for the folder?
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> !info k9copy | stacey, this is it
[01:32] <ubotu> stacey, this is it: k9copy: DVD backup tool for KDE. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.3-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1409 kB, installed size 2748 kB
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> !backups | stacey
[01:32] <ubotu> stacey: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[01:32] <raylu> ignoramus, the permissions for whatever you're getting denied for
[01:32] <stacey> ok great thanks!
[01:32] <WaltzingAlong> !dvd | stacey
[01:32] <ubotu> stacey: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[01:32] <raylu> ignoramus, ls -l filenamhere; paste that output here
[01:33] <ignoramus> raylu: hang on... copying a couple gigs into another folder- system is dragging
[01:34] <ignoramus> raylu: if i run dolphin or konqueror as superuser, i can overwrite all files, but not if i just pop in a disc and try to overwrite the files in a folder
[01:34] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, pls explain , never seen sudo and password in the same command
[01:34] <raylu> ok...so what are the permissions ignoramus
[01:34] <raylu> BluesKaj, you're running the passwd command with su privilages
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: "sudo passwd kde-devel" sets the password for kde-devel
[01:34] <raylu> the passwd command takes an argument for username
[01:35] <ignoramus> raylu: will post... disc is almost done copying to different folder...
[01:35] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: try "sudo chown +r *" in the folder
[01:36] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: sorry "sudo chmod +r *"
[01:36] <raylu> it'd still help to know what it was before
[01:37] <raylu> if this is from a cd, his fstab might be messed uip
[01:37] <raylu> *up
[01:37] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: i have to "cd" to that folder in konsole, right?
[01:37] <draik> How do I download a DEB from the repos?
[01:37] <draik> I want aptoncd.DEB
[01:37] <raylu> ignoramus, yes, or chmod +r dir1/dir2/dir3/*
[01:37] <WaltzingAlong> draik: aptitude download package
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> draik: you can navigate the repositories..
[01:37] <draik> WaltzingAlong: Thank you
[01:37] <draik> nosrednaekim: How? Using what?
[01:38] <raylu> a web browser
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> draik: web browser/
[01:38] <m_tadeu> raylu: most probably, since files are RO in the dvd, they are copyed with those permissions
[01:38] <ignoramus> raylu: chmod: missing operand after `+r*'
[01:38] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, afraid that's not working for me ..says kde-devel is an unknown user
[01:38] <WaltzingAlong> draik: or browse to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ and so forth
[01:38] <raylu> ignoramus, there's a space after the r
[01:38] <ignoramus> aha
[01:38] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: did you creat the kde-devel user?
[01:38] <BluesKaj> when
[01:38] <raylu> BluesKaj, then it looks like that ssh login will never pass
[01:39] <BluesKaj> it asked me for a pw before i had a chance to create one
[01:39] <m_tadeu> BluesKaj: didn't you create the user?
[01:40] <raylu> BluesKaj, sudo cat /etc/passwd | grep kde-devel
[01:40] <ignoramus> m_tadeu | raylu: the chmod +r *  doesn't help
[01:40] <BluesKaj> it never asked for a user
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj:  ok :D run the command "sudo adduser kde-devel" you may also want to install the ssh server if you don't have in installed
[01:40] <raylu> ignoramus, what did it do/say?
[01:41] <stacey> I installed a program (facturalux) but it isnt in the K menu....it wont start with katapult either.  Can anyone tell me how I would go about starting it?
[01:42] <ignoramus> raylu: it didn't say anything - just went to next command prompt
[01:42] <m_tadeu> stacey: sometimes, running "kbuildsyscoca" helps
[01:42] <FroggyTheGreat> Does anyone know of any problems using Amaroq with a Creative Labs Zen Touch(tm)?
[01:42] <stacey> running it how?....sorry...noobish still
[01:42] <[ka]killer> only problem ive had with mp3 players is my zune =(
[01:42] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: but, is it still denying the overwrite?
[01:42] <ignoramus> i'm wondering if you are supposed to be allowed to overwrite files on HDD from disc
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> FroggyTheGreat: from what i;ve heard, zens work well.
[01:43] <flaccid> anyone have azureus working with sun java on gutsy?
[01:43] <FroggyTheGreat> Cool.
[01:43] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: yes
[01:43] <raylu> ignoramus, the problem is when you copied them. you could modify the permissions on the HDD, but it'd be better to fix the disc
[01:43] <ignoramus> raylu: i know :/
[01:43] <raylu> ignoramus; and the fact that it didn't say anything when you chmodded the directory means that there was nothing there, so you probably don't have r to the directory
[01:44] <raylu> and/or you didn't sudo the command
[01:44] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: can you type this under the folder "ls -la | grep damn_filename"? and paste the result here?
[01:44] <BluesKaj> bah! , kde-devel is 3.5.8 ,not 4.0 :(
[01:44] <raylu> m_tadeu, you can actually ls a single file
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: eh? did you compile/install kde4?
[01:45] <m_tadeu> raylu: :D you're right...bad habit
[01:45] <ignoramus> !pastebin
[01:45] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:45] <raylu> BluesKaj, wtf? did you compile the wrong version of kde?
[01:45] <[ka]killer> im just waiting for the release of KDE4
[01:45] <[ka]killer> betas and me dont mix well >.>
[01:46] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: for some reason, it's telling me that file doesn't exist.... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44674/
[01:46] <BluesKaj> yeah nosrednaekim Iran the svn version install, but guess it din't install properly :( ...everything seemed ok after cmake and make ...had a few glitches that stdin helped me with bit it seemed fine
[01:47] <ice9__> trying to upgrade adept wizard saying close adept and use the upgrade tool where is the upgrade tool ?
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh... you need to make a kdm session entry.
[01:47] <raylu> ice9__, adept wizard?
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: just a sec.//
[01:47] <stdin> ice9__: just click the button, it'll run automatically
[01:47] <raylu> ignoramus, when you use spaces, it thinks it's a new argument
[01:48] <ice9__> I did click finish and nothing happened
[01:48] <raylu> either way, you don't need to grep the file, you can just ls the filename. and, because you don't have r to the directory, you'll need to sudo it
[01:48] <ice9__> it verified the upgrade tool but still nothing
[01:48] <ice9__> can't find it
[01:48] <ice9__> can I do it by command line
[01:48] <ignoramus> raylu: but i can't if the filename has spaces?
[01:48] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: it's because of the spaces...put the filename between "...ls -la | grep "Aerosmith - - Dream On.mp3"
[01:48] <raylu> ignoramus, you can by using  quotations or "\ "
[01:48] <[ka]killer> lol
[01:49] <raylu> again, ls -l Aero*
[01:49] <raylu> would probably be easier
[01:49] <stdin> ice9__: if you install "update-manager-core" you can do "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[01:49] <ice9__> k
[01:49] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: http://nosrednaekim.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/kde4-or-bust-building-kde4/
[01:49] <raylu> oh, that upgrade wizard.
[01:50] <ignoramus> raylu: here, i changed a filename so no spaces.  Output = -r-xr-xr-x 1 user user 9274601 2006-12-05 12:40 Music.mp3
[01:50] <ice9__> File "/usr/bin/do-release-upgrade", line 5, in <module>
[01:50] <ice9__>     import apt
[01:52] <mike-kubuntu> hey guys, quake4 wont run for me on amd64
[01:52] <m_tadeu> ignoramus: :D my mistake again "chmod +w *" and not +r
[01:52] <mike-kubuntu> fails at opening libgl through sdl
[01:52] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: :) lemme try again
[01:52] <raylu> why are they owned by "user"?
[01:52] <raylu> oh...that's your username
[01:52] <ignoramus> raylu: u got it
[01:53] <raylu> that's a ...lame username =\
[01:53] <ice9__> where is apt located
[01:53] <raylu> ice9__, apt the binary or it's configuration files?
[01:53] <ignoramus> raylu: that's just what I put to post here ;)
[01:53] <ice9__> ./var/lib/apt
[01:53] <ice9__> I dunno just says apt
[01:53] <raylu> ignoramus, oh.
[01:53] <raylu> ice
[01:53] <raylu> what says apt?
[01:53] <raylu> if you're looking for "apt," you're doing something wrong
[01:54] <ice9__> python error
[01:54] <ice9__> import error
[01:54] <raylu> ok...mind pasting the output?
[01:54] <ice9__> apt-get works just fine
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: apt in that case is a python module
[01:55] <[ka]killer> oyasuminasai
[01:55] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: crap! the "sudo chmod +w *" works!
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: you many want to get the package "python-apt"
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> ignoramus: how... is... that.... crap?
[01:55] <m_tadeu> ignoramus:  :)
[01:55] <ignoramus> as in "oh crap! yes!"
[01:55] <ice9__> already have it
[01:55] <nosrednaekim> :D
[01:55] <ice9__> I could do an export but where is the apt located
[01:55] <ignoramus> can i do that to my home directory, or is that not advised?
[01:56] <raylu> not advised
[01:56] <raylu> that allows anyone to write to your home directory
[01:56] <ignoramus> raylu: i ask because i am the only user
[01:56] <ice9__> is it var/lib/apt
[01:56] <raylu> still not a good idea.
[01:56] <ice9__> or usr/lib/apt
[01:56] <ignoramus> raylu: gotcha... i mess enough stuff up
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: no, neither ofthose places, and there isnot export command in python ;)
[01:57] <raylu> though it's unlikely that anything will harm a single-user system anyway. so...have you modified your fstab, ignoramus?
[01:57] <ignoramus> raylu: to what?
[01:58] <ice9__> yes there is  export PYTHONPATH={$PYTHONPATH}:
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> oh... that. well, I doubt that is your problem, but to test, try this... run "python" and then type in "import apt"
[01:59] <m_tadeu> raylu: I think all files within the /home/user folder are writable....I see no problem on doing it
[01:59] <ignoramus> m_tadeu: i did it anyway ;) ... i like fixing stuff (with a little help, of course)
[01:59] <raylu> m_tadeu, it would set it for o
[02:00] <raylu> and nevermind about fstab
[02:00] <ignoramus> raylu: yeah, my drive works fine for now, so i dont plan on messing with the settings (its set to exec)
[02:00] <draik> I did a fresh install of Kubuntu Gutsy on my friend's computer.
[02:01] <draik> Why his DVD drive won't work is beyond me.
[02:01] <draik> Also, his computer fails to go online when I hook it up to my network.
[02:01] <ice9__>  nope don't have apt
[02:01] <ice9__> wierd
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> draik: did you install with the same dvd drive?
[02:01] <draik> The gateway doesn't stick
[02:01] <ice9__> I do have python-apt
[02:01] <ice9__> though
[02:01] <ignoramus> thanks all- time to get drinks now!  Cheers!
[02:01] <Aresilek> if a dvd doesn't auto-mount, is there a way to force it to?
[02:02] <draik> nosrednaekim: The DVD didn't change. Besides, it didn't work with Feisty. This is a fresh install. I nuked the HDD and paved it with Gutsy.
[02:02] <m_tadeu> ice9__: my system says apt can be found under sun-jave5-sdk....
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> Aresilek: try "sudo mount /dev/cdrom"
[02:02] <Aresilek> thx nosrednaekim
[02:02] <ice9__> apt is in java
[02:02] <ice9__> really
[02:02] <nosrednaekim> Aresilek: actually its.. "sudo mount /dev/cdrom /mnt"... sorry
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> draik: is it a SATA dvd drive?
[02:03] <m_tadeu> ice9__: kinda weird, but...it's what it shows up here
[02:03] <draik> nosrednaekim: Nope. IDE.
[02:03] <Aresilek> nosrednaekim: and if i already did teh first one then what?
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> draik: weird
[02:03] <draik> nosrednaekim: But it wants to go to /dev/scd1
[02:04] <draik> I'm about ready to do a new install
[02:04] <m_tadeu> The program 'apt' can be found in the following packages:
[02:04] <m_tadeu>  * sun-java5-jdk
[02:04] <Aresilek> hmmm, nvm mind it worked
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> Aresilek: if the first one didn't return any errors,that works too :D
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> m_tadeu: the "apt" we are talking aout is not exactly a program
[02:04] <Aresilek> nosrednaekim: it worked thanks
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> XD
[02:05] <draik> nosrednaekim: trying to mount the DVD drive results in "wrong fs type..." it's set to Automatic
[02:05] <m_tadeu> nosrednaekim: oh, sorry then :P
[02:05] <Aresilek> nosrednaekim: and to unmount what do i do? 'sudo umount /dev/cdrom'?
[02:05] <nosrednaekim> draik: try "eject /dev/scd1"
[02:05] <draik> Aresilek: Yes
[02:06] <draik> nosrednaekim: sudo?
[02:06] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, the kwrite export KDEHOME=~/.kde4, can't be saved
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> draik: maybe..
[02:06] <Aresilek> draik: thx
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh... did you run it with kdesudo?
[02:06] <draik> nosrednaekim: Nope. Wasn't needed. It ejected the DVD in the DVD drive
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> draik: it means it detects the hardware..
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh.... Never mind... just a second
[02:08] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: saves for me here...
[02:09] <BluesKaj> I'm using the run command ,
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: oh... no, run that command from within the ssh terminal.
[02:09] <draik> nosrednaekim: What do you suggest now?
[02:09] <nosrednaekim> draik: what type of dvd did you put in?
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> draik: data or a movie?
[02:10] <draik> nosrednaekim: Data; APTonCD results.
[02:10] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, nope, can't save it ..."not possible to write to the file"
[02:10] <BluesKaj> either way
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> huh..... did kwrite look any different?
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> like did it look kde4ish?
[02:12] <BluesKaj> dunno, looked the same to me ...din't see any diff
[02:12] <ice9__> python-apt is located at /usr/share/python-apt
[02:12] <ice9__> does that seem right
[02:12] <carbon_monoxide> hello, what is the preferred foreign input method?
[02:12] <ice9__> but I export pythonpath for /usr/share/python-apt
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: wait.... if you dont' want to log in as yourself.... you can skip that step, thats only neccesary if you aren't using the kde-devel user.
[02:12] <BluesKaj> i used kde-devel instead of kde-test
[02:13] <carbon_monoxide> I have some trouble on using skim
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: thats not where it is kept..
[02:13] <ice9__> where is it kept then
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: right.
[02:13] <ice9__> cause I can't find it
[02:13] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: I shall check
[02:13] <ice9__> thanks
[02:13] <draik> nosrednaekim: When I insert the DVD it doesn't load the queue for an action.
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> draik: hmmm, try another dvd..
[02:14] <draik> nosrednaekim: DVD or data?
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> draik: either.
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/apt
[02:15] <ice9__> all I have is AptSources
[02:15] <ice9__> hmm
[02:15] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: and/or /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/apt
[02:15] <draik> nosrednaekim: DVD is closest.
[02:16] <ice9__> and that is python-apt correct
[02:16] <BluesKaj> hmm .. cd .kde4/share/apps: No such file or directory
[02:16] <ice9__> or is it something different
[02:16] <draik> nosrednaekim: Well, it loaded the prompt for action, but when I try Kaffeine, I am told insufficient rights
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: you can skip all of those steps since you aren't loging in as yourself, but as a separate user
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> draik: ah.. good.!
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> draik: now try a data cd.
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> *dvd
[02:17] <draik> nosrednaekim: Hmmm? DVD or data?
[02:17] <nosrednaekim> data DVD
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> :D
[02:21] <ice9__> man I just don't have that dir
[02:21] <ice9__> how can I install it
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: "apt-get install python-apt"
[02:21] <ice9__> or can you just send it to me via email ?
[02:21] <ice9__> I did
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> nah.
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> and it says its installed?
[02:21] <ice9__> but its not there
[02:21] <ice9__> yep
[02:21] <ice9__> can you make me a copy and send it to my email
[02:22] <draik> nosrednaekim: Nothing. No prompt for action
[02:22] <ice9__> Reading package lists... Done
[02:22] <ice9__> Building dependency tree
[02:22] <ice9__> Reading state information... Done
[02:22] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: try removing that package and reinstalling it
[02:23] <ice9__> k
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> draik: thats odd, since it seems to be working.
[02:23] <nosrednaekim> draik: check you fstab and see what permissions ou gave your cd drive
[02:23] <MilitantPotato> Where do I change what programs are opened after login? it keeps opening my messanger, amarok, and a virtual keyboard
[02:23]  * nosrednaekim isn't good with the fstab though
[02:24] <BluesKaj> heh, kde-devel didn't pick up any of my settings ... what a PITA :(
[02:24] <ice9__> got it sweet
[02:24] <ice9__> wired I trid that before
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: of course it didn't... its a new directory
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> *user
[02:25] <BluesKaj> gonna dump it if possible , not going thru setting everything up again
[02:25] <draik> nosrednaekim: How do I check the fstab?
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: just cpy your currect /home over
[02:25] <ice9__> what the package you need for do-release-upgradde
[02:25] <ice9__> what the package you need for do-release-upgrade
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> sudo cp -R /home/Blueskaj /home/kde-devel
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> ice9__: no clue
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> !fstab
[02:26] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[02:26] <MilitantPotato> I can't get Adept or Synaptic to run from the K menu, I have to run them from terminal, any ideas?
[02:27] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: pribably a kdesu/kdesudo problem.
[02:27] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: how would I sort out what exactly, and how to fix it?
[02:29] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: first, your first question... go to system settings-> advanced-> session manager
[02:31] <MilitantPotato> nosrednaekim: thanks, I disabled restore prev. session.
[02:33] <MilitantPotato> Any idea about the adept and synaptic deal?
[02:34] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: no... not really, I've just noticed it.
[02:34] <MilitantPotato> hmm
[02:34] <MilitantPotato> kate, gedit, what's another editor?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> kwrite
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> vim
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> emacs
[02:35] <MilitantPotato> kdesu right?
[02:35] <nosrednaekim> kdesu is not an editor
[02:35] <MilitantPotato> Sorry, for envoking root
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[02:36] <nosrednaekim> well, in gutsy its kdesudo
[02:36] <MilitantPotato> !pastebin
[02:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:37] <draik> nosrednaekim: Ok. I did some editing of fstab. RELAX, I did a backup :)
[02:38] <MilitantPotato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44676/
[02:38] <MilitantPotato> hm...
[02:38] <MilitantPotato> i CAN do sudo gedit path
[02:39] <MilitantPotato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44677/
[02:39] <MilitantPotato> that's trying to open synaptic
[02:40] <MilitantPotato> weird that sudo works but kdesu/do doesn't
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> kdesudo isn't working? odd..
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> try "gksu"
[02:41] <BluesKaj> it wasn't working for me either kdesu or sudo worked but not kdesudo
[02:43] <MilitantPotato> gksu(do) works fine aswell.
[02:44] <Aresilek> i think i may have asked this before, but is there any way to disable the scroll thingys on the intergrated track pad?
[02:44] <Zombocom> hey
[02:45] <draik> nosrednaekim: rebooted and still get XINE plugin errors Kaffeine cannot play DVD
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> <_<
[02:45] <draik> nosrednaekim: Putting in a data DVD does nothing. Not even mount.
[02:45] <nosrednaekim> hmph.... I really don't have an idea
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> maybe look at the output of dmesg
[02:46] <Zombocom> wait
[02:46] <BluesKaj> draik, install libdvdcss2
[02:46] <MilitantPotato> BluesKaj: did you manage to kdesudo working?
[02:46] <draik> BluesKaj: It is.
[02:46] <Zombocom> are you sure the drive is dvd compatible?
[02:46] <draik> Zombocom: Yes. It's a DVD Burner. I would hope so :)
[02:46] <Zombocom> kk
[02:46] <BluesKaj> MilitantPotato, I'm not too concerned ...use sudo in the shell and kdesu in the run command
[02:46] <Zombocom> sorry
[02:47] <draik> Zombocom: It's all good. You didn't know.
[02:47] <MilitantPotato> so my K menu for administrative stuff is going to remain broken?
[02:47] <Dragnslcr> Aresilek- if so, it should be in ksynaptics
[02:48] <Zombocom> I have a question: I would like to use my screensaver as a desktop background, and I've found plenty of information on how to do it with nautilus, but not with kde.  is there any way to do it in KDE?
[02:48] <heinkel_112> Hello
[02:49] <DRtuxthepenguin> why is strigi weak
[02:49] <Zombocom> anyone have a solution?
[02:50] <ice9__> 007-11-15 20:47:49,665 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/release-upgrader-dpkg/release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i386.udeb' is NOT trusted
[02:50] <ice9__> wtf
[02:50] <heinkel_112> i have finally got a download of gutsy. I am pondering upgrade tactics. Wipe clean and new install or using the upgrade wizard this time? got some recommended reading?
[02:50] <Zombocom> Drtux: strigi pisses me off to no end
[02:50] <ice9__> not trusted
[02:50] <MilitantPotato> missing a key :)
[02:50] <ice9__> happens everytime I try to upgrade
[02:51] <ice9__> what key am I missing
[02:51] <BluesKaj> I don't understand strigi ...itdoesn't do anything for me ...I prefer to use  locate: in the konq addressbar
[02:51] <Zombocom> locate: is still there?
[02:51] <Zombocom> sweet
[02:51] <ardchoille> Zombocom: there is a way to do that with a screensaver, something about the option "-root" to draw it on the root window (desktop) but I forgot how
[02:52] <Zombocom> ardchoille: where can I find that out?
[02:53] <Zombocom> ardchoille: I tried google but I didn't come up with anything other than the nautilus instructions
[02:53] <ardchoille> Zombocom: I found it, tested and it works :)
[02:53] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Open kcontrol and I'll guide you trhu it
[02:54] <Zombocom> k
[02:54] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Go to Desktop > Behavior
[02:54] <Zombocom> alright?
[02:54] <ardchoille> Zombocom: second checkbox "Allow programs in desktop window" check it
[02:55] <Zombocom> apply?
[02:55] <ardchoille> yes
[02:55] <MilitantPotato> well for somereason the wacom device in xorg was uncommented, removed those, now to sort out why kdesudo doesn't work.
[02:56] <ardchoille> Zombocom: ls /usr/lib/xscreensaver   <-- choose a screensaver and launch it with: /usr/lib/xscreensaver/galaxy -root  (replace "galaxy" with a scr of your choice)
[02:56] <Zombocom> ardchoille: what next
[02:56] <ardchoille> Zombocom: You should then see the screensaver as your desktop wallpaper
[02:57] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Keep in mind that some of the screensavers will eat up a lot of your CPU
[02:57] <draik> What can I do to get the DVD player to see my data DVD? I want to get some apps installed
[02:58] <Zombocom> ardchoille: I don't have a directory called /usr/lib/xscreensaver
[02:59] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Holf on..
[03:00] <ardchoille> Zombocom: I'm not sure which package I installed provides it, maybe kdeartwork
[03:00] <mrtimbo> does anyone else have a problem with the tap to click settings being saved
[03:01] <ardchoille> Zombocom: That's not it, still looking for it..
[03:01] <Zombocom> ardchoille: thank you
[03:03] <mrtimbo> does anyone else have a problem with the tap to click settings being saved
[03:04] <FroggyTheGreat> Hmm.  What's an easy way to uninstall GNOME?
[03:04] <ardchoille> Zombocom: I don't remember which package provides is, but you can onstall xscreensaver and xscreensaver-data and get all the screensavers
[03:05] <Zombocom> ardchoille: I think it's just in /usr/bin
[03:06] <Zombocom> ardchoille: because I checked the kscreensaver thing and it said that
[03:06] <mrtimbo> does anyone else in here use ksynaptics?
[03:06] <ardchoille> Zombocom: That may be the binaryitself, but testing here with "/usr/lib/xscreensaver/galaxy -root" works great
[03:07] <ToddEDM> any of you guys notice that since installing Ubuntu on a laptop, that the screen is not as bright as it was in XP?
[03:07] <ToddEDM> kububuntu
[03:07] <BluesKaj> no joy..kde4 won't start ...some error reverts back to 3.5.8 ...dunno what kde-devel is supposed to do but i seems like a seperate desktop altogether ...anyway , now I'm stuck with 2 extra destops that don't work , it seems
[03:07] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Try: find /usr -name xscreensaver
[03:07] <FroggyTheGreat> Any pointers on completely uninstalling Gnome?
[03:08] <mrtimbo> my kubuntu is just as bright as vista i just had to turn the brightness up with keyboard shortcuts
[03:08] <ToddEDM> hmmmmm
[03:09] <ToddEDM> whats the keyboard shortcut.. just Fn ->
[03:09] <mrtimbo> Fn+ the brightness key, mine are blue keys
[03:09] <mrtimbo> looks like a sun
[03:09] <ToddEDM> yeah, you on an acer laptop?
[03:09] <mrtimbo> yes
[03:09] <ToddEDM> me too
[03:09] <mrtimbo> aspire 5610z
[03:09] <sn00zer> when i run aptitude it wants to uninstall all my kde programs but i still use them, how do i fix this?
[03:10] <mrtimbo> hold down the fn key and brightness key at the same time
[03:10] <sn00zer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44678/
[03:10] <FroggyTheGreat> So if I were to select all GNOME packages in Adept and "Request Purging", is that a bad idea?
[03:10] <ToddEDM> yeah i have it as high as it goes
[03:10] <mrtimbo> huh, do you have it on powersave?
[03:10] <mrtimbo> or a dark theme?
[03:10] <RandMC_> Gutsy Gibbon install had some errors halfway, and then tried again and gutsy doesn't recognize my wifi card. (i am currently on a windows machine) decided to install Dapper Drake, but it can't recognize my wifi card, waiting to see if Feisty Fawn CD is found and install that.
[03:10] <ToddEDM> no, theme is not dark
[03:11] <ToddEDM> powersave.. dunno
[03:11] <mrtimbo> what model do you have?
[03:11] <ToddEDM> 9300-5024
[03:12] <MilitantPotato> when I try to run kdesu(do) i get the following: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Xlib: No protocol specified, kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[03:13] <sn00zer> any ideas on my aptitude problem?
[03:14] <draik> ardchoille: Hello. How are you?
[03:15] <ardchoille> Hi draik :)
[03:17] <Zombocom> ardchoille: what is it that the command does
[03:17] <ardchoille> Zombocom: that command runs the selected screensaver in the root window
[03:18] <Zombocom> ohkay
[03:18] <Zombocom> so If I knew where the screensaver was
[03:18] <Zombocom> I could modify the command?
[03:18] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Try: find /usr -name xscreensaver
[03:18] <Zombocom> it doesn't return anything
[03:18] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Yes, the galaxy screensaver even has a man page
[03:18] <Zombocom> locate: xscreensaver
[03:19] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Did you update the slocate database before using locate?
[03:19] <MilitantPotato> I fixed it, :) xhost +local:<username>
[03:19] <Zombocom> locate: returns stuff
[03:19] <Zombocom> find doesn't
[03:19] <MilitantPotato> BluesKaj: xhost +local:username worked for me.
[03:20] <ardchoille> Zombocom: ok, use the path/screensaver with the -root option
[03:22] <Zombocom> ok
[03:25] <ice9__> damn never going to be able to upgrade to gusty
[03:25] <ice9__> lol
[03:25] <ice9__> now getting source not trusted
[03:25] <ice9__> wth
[03:25] <MilitantPotato> ice9 are you on feisty?
[03:25] <ice9__> yes
[03:26] <MilitantPotato> !repositories
[03:26] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:26] <ice9__> should I add those
[03:26] <MilitantPotato> nah
[03:26] <MilitantPotato> was reading it :)
[03:27] <ice9__> k
[03:28] <MilitantPotato> great time for ubuntu wiki to be down :)
[03:28] <MilitantPotato> oh wait there's a command
[03:28] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/  works here
[03:29] <MilitantPotato> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty
[03:29] <MilitantPotato> does that?
[03:29] <ice9__> I don't get that manage-repos window to pop up either
[03:29] <ice9__> and yes I do have software-properties-kde installed
[03:30] <MilitantPotato> there's a command to re-install the default repos
[03:30] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: Oh, I thought you meant *the* ubuntu wiki
[03:30] <MilitantPotato> i just can't remember it.
[03:30] <ardchoille> !easysource
[03:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:31] <Zombocom> ardchoille: I've found the screensavers
[03:31] <Zombocom> they end with .desktop
[03:32] <MilitantPotato> ice9__: go to the place ardchoille posted
[03:32] <MilitantPotato> that should get your sources/keys sorted, hopefully.
[03:33] <ardchoille> Zombocom: Those are .desktop files, not the screensavers themselves. you can open a .desktop file in kate and look at the "Exec" command to see what the .desktop file actually launches
[03:34] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, I've decided against trying to use kde4 since it's broken ..and I'd like to free the space it uses on the hdd ...got any advice how to uninstall it ?
[03:35] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: Sorry, no.
[03:35] <MilitantPotato> install something that conflicts with it and pray? :)
[03:35] <ardchoille> I don't use beta apps unless they come installed with the system.. learned my lesson before.
[03:35] <BluesKaj> stdin, you still around ?
[03:35] <stdin> tired, but still here
[03:36] <BluesKaj> yeah, my kde4 install is broken and i domn't feel much like fighting to make it work... what's the uninstall procedure
[03:37] <ice9__> nope same untrusted error
[03:37] <stdin> BluesKaj: it's just "rm -rf /place/I/installed/kde4/to"
[03:37] <ice9__> is it pulling it from another sources.list maybe
[03:37] <BluesKaj> hehe stdin
[03:37] <Zombocom> ardchoille: am I looking for the file that the kss file actually executes?
[03:37] <Zombocom> I mean
[03:37] <Zombocom> .desktop file launches a .kss file
[03:39] <ardchoille> Does that work on the desktop?
[03:39] <chino_> hi, I need some help
[03:39] <Zombocom> wait
[03:39] <Zombocom> so I run the command -root?
[03:39] <ice9__> there is a prerequists-sources.list
[03:39] <ice9__> in sources.list.d
[03:39] <chino_> i try to install flash player 9 in koqueror
[03:40] <ice9__> can I change the name
[03:40] <ardchoille> Zombocom: No, you run: /path/screensaver --root
[03:40] <ice9__> you think that might work better
[03:40] <ardchoille> Zombocom: No, you run: /path/screensaver -root
[03:41] <Zombocom> so I type in /path/screensaver -root as in the path to the file containing the screensaver?
[03:42] <ardchoille> Zombocom: That should work
[03:42] <Zombocom> k
[03:42] <ice9__> can you delete sources.list.d ?
[03:43] <ardchoille> ice9__: Why would you want to do that?
[03:43] <ice9__> cause thats were the prerequists for the repos are
[03:44] <ice9__> and thats the error I  am getting when upgrading to gusty
[03:44] <ardchoille> ice9__: My /etc/apt/sources.list.d is empty, most of your sources are in the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[03:44] <ice9__> no trusted sources
[03:46] <posingaspopular> how to get LaTek?
[03:46] <Zombocom> I ran it
[03:46] <ice9__> apt-cache search latek
[03:46] <Zombocom> and it appears that the screensaver isn't running
[03:47] <ice9__> then apt-get install <packagename>
[03:47] <ice9__> Getting upgrade prerequisites failed
[03:47] <ice9__> The system was unable to get the prerequisites for the upgrade. The upgrade will abort now and restore the original system state.
[03:47] <ardchoille> Zombocom: I don't know what to tell you, it works here
[03:47] <ice9__> thats the error I am getting
[03:47] <chino_> how can i get flash player in konqueror?
[03:48] <ardchoille> !flash
[03:48] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:48] <Zombocom> oh sweet
[03:48] <Zombocom> I did it
[03:48] <Zombocom> euphoria is running in the background
[03:48] <ardchoille> :)
[03:49] <Zombocom> thanks ardchoille
[03:49] <ardchoille> yw
[03:50] <ice9__> http://paste.lisp.org/display/50923.
[03:50] <ice9__> thats up upgrade error
[03:50] <ice9__> everytime
[03:56] <ice9__> can anyone check that out for me
[03:56] <spykedtomato> hi all - since my upgrade to gutsy my keyboard isn't working like it should - I've tried 2 different keyboards but the special keys (Alt Gr) don't work... any ideas?
[04:04] <chino_> i follow the steps in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash but it don't works
[04:04] <chino_> :(
[04:09] <chino_> I install the flashplugin-nonfre then in konqueror i go to Settings → Configure Konqueror -Plugins- Scan for new plugins then i restart the browser, but i don't get flash player
[04:10] <heinkel_111> i have a multiboot installation with two kubuntu partitions. How do I set from which one my machine will find grub at boot-up?
[04:10] <heinkel_111> (i also have a WinXP partition...)
[04:10] <heinkel_111> maybe i should call that two kubuntu installations
[04:11] <heinkel_111> they share a third /home partition but have separate /boot directories
[04:12] <mot_> what's the easiest way to get s-video out working on kubuntu so i can stream stuff to my tc?
[04:12] <mot_> tv*
[04:12] <heinkel_111> now i have upgraded my 64 bit installation to gutsy but grub only starts the feisty version, because it is on the 32 bit installation, and the upgrade process did not fix that
[04:12] <heinkel_111> i seem to be running gutsy with the feisty kernel right now
[04:12] <heinkel_111> ...
[04:15] <heinkel_111> anyone?
[04:15] <Zombocom> hello
[04:15] <heinkel_111> !dualboot
[04:15] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookPro https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[04:15] <heinkel_111> !multiboot
[04:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about multiboot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:15] <billyd> Hi yas Zombo
[04:29] <juanma> hola
[04:30] <juanma> como funciona esto
[04:34] <bobleny> Hi! Could some one help me please? I was messing around with some settings in Konqueror, trying to get it to open images in Kview. Apparently in my meddling, I screwed something up. Now the entire system is incapable of displaying thumbnail images of PNG and JPG files. The only two things I messed with, go figure... Anyways, my question is this, how do I reset the thumbnail preview thingy?
[04:37] <nite613__> Is there a fusion-icon package hiding somewhere in my apt tree? Or an equivalent handy tool for switching wms and decorators?
[04:37] <MarcC> how do I delete root's trash?
[04:38] <DeadJones> heyas
[04:38] <DeadJones> ive got some kicker issues
[04:39] <SudoKing> Can you install internet explorer in kubuntu?
[04:39] <DeadJones> as in .. its not coming up. and when i alt+f2 and type kicker, kicker comes up but task area on the right is garbled
[04:39] <MarcC> SudoKing: sure, just run ies4linux
[04:39] <\dEAD> why would you want to put IE on kubuntu?
[04:39] <SudoKing> no no just kidding
[04:39] <ubuntu_> Can someone tell me why this stupid live cd wont let me unmount my partitions? I need to mess with them.
[04:39] <\dEAD> live cd is just a taste
[04:39] <SudoKing> I just wonderhed how biased M$ was..
[04:39] <ubuntu_> qtparted wont even let me resize one
[04:39] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: and the error is...
[04:39] <jagcorvair> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44680/
[04:40] <\dEAD> you 'probably' could put IE on but its a waste of time and resource
[04:40] <ubuntu_> Tm_T: No error. it just doesnt have an option in qtparted to unmount
[04:40] <Tm_T> SudoKing: don't troll
[04:40] <jagcorvair> Can someone please take a look at the error messages I received from trying to watch a DVD with Kaffeine
[04:40] <jagcorvair> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44680/
[04:40] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: then umount in konsole
[04:40] <SudoKing> I didn't know wthat was trolling...
[04:40] <ubuntu_> Tm_T: It doesnt show on mount -l
[04:40] <ubuntu_> Tm_T: Or maybe i just dont know how
[04:41] <MarcC> jagcorvair: does it work if you start kaffeine with "kdesu kaffeine"?
[04:41] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: mount alone should list enough
[04:41] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: if not, it's not mounted
[04:41] <ubuntu_> Tm_T: It only lists proc, tmpfs, devpts, udev and varrun
[04:41] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: then no mounted
[04:41]  * BluesKaj wonders what fascination ppl have with IE , never understood that :)
[04:41] <ubuntu_> Tm_T: Then how come qt part ed won't allow me to resize one of my partitions?
[04:41] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: no idea
[04:42] <ubuntu_> *sigh*
[04:42] <ubuntu_> wow, this is ridiculous
[04:42] <ubuntu_> if i apt-get on a live, where does it save to?
[04:42]  * ubunturos wonders if apt-get on live, makes sense?
[04:42] <Hirvinen> Well, there are valid motivations(besides questions of preference) to install IE under Linux such as website testing or sites that are built to work only with it...
[04:43] <ubuntu_> because gparted > qtparted
[04:43] <Hirvinen> ubunturos: Yes, e.g. for testing an application not included on the cd or having a need for a newer version.
[04:43] <heinkel_111> is it standard practice in gutsy that my root partition is not visible in /etc/mtab?
[04:44] <heinkel_111> or do i have some kind of problem with the installation?
[04:44] <Tm_T> heinkel_111: latter
[04:44] <heinkel_111> yes
[04:44] <heinkel_111> it appeared rather strange
[04:44] <BluesKaj> Hirvinen, konq can be set to act like IE
[04:44] <ubuntu_> This is bad. QTParted won't let me resize my old linux partition.....
[04:44] <jagcorvair> MarcC: No. It actually crashed after I got the same error message.
[04:44] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: doesn't render like IE though
[04:44] <Tm_T> but this IE discussion is offtopic
[04:45] <Hirvinen> BluesKaj: To report itself as IE, yes. To behave like it, no.
[04:45] <Hirvinen> Yup.
[04:45] <BluesKaj> ubuntu_ , try gparted live cd ..DL and burn it , it's very effective and easy to use
[04:45] <heinkel_111> ubuntu_ is you old linux partition possible to resize then? you can only grow the partition if there is free space
[04:45] <heinkel_111> right next to it
[04:45] <ubuntu_> heinkel_111: I know
[04:45] <MarcC> jagcorvair: and it doesn't play in other media players like VLC?
[04:46] <ubuntu_> *sigh* now QTParted wont even load... cya guys
[04:46] <BluesKaj> anyway it's sacktime here
[04:46] <BluesKaj> nite folks
[04:46] <Hirvinen> ubuntu_: Try gparted, I hear it's better than Qtparted.
[04:47] <MarcC> ahhh, tried 1394 video capture on the dell ubuntu laptop today, first time....worked a charm
[04:47] <jagcorvair> MarcC: This is a new install. I have covered the basics, but I will keep trying. "sudo apt-get install vlc' right?
[04:48] <lisa_> myraiskool@hotmail.com
[04:48] <MarcC> jagcorvair: jep, proabably
[04:48] <MarcC> 0_o
[04:48] <lisa_> ??
[04:48] <lisa_> who r u??
[04:48] <MarcC> !offtopic
[04:48] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:50] <rockets> Hey guys
[04:50] <rockets> How can I make Konversation use a tree-style sidebar for channels, rather then tabs
[04:50] <jagcorvair> MarcC: mount: block device /dev/scd1 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[04:50] <rockets> ah found it.
[04:50] <rockets> also, how do I enable desktop effects?
[04:50] <MarcC> jagcorvair: I would think that's normal with a DVD :-/
[04:51] <jagcorvair> MarcC: Ok. But why can't it play at all?
[04:51] <MarcC> jagcorvair: did you do the CSS magic?
[04:51] <jagcorvair> MarcC: CSS magic?
[04:52] <jagcorvair> MarcC: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2
[04:52] <jagcorvair> MarcC: Is that it?
[04:52] <MarcC> jagcorvair: I did it through automatix...I don't recall the libdvdcss2 thing doing it for me
[04:52] <jagcorvair> MarcC: Do tell......
[04:53] <jagcorvair> MarcC: What is automatix?
[04:53] <MarcC> jagcorvair: http://getautomatix.com
[04:53] <rockets> Automatix is a fantastic way to break upgrades.
[04:53] <MarcC> just a quick setup utility for common stuff...but some say it's not kosher
[04:54] <MarcC> anyway, if you just want DVD support and are willing to really suck it up on your next dist-upgrade, give it a try :D
[04:54] <jagcorvair> MarcC: What do you mean? What does automatix do?
[04:55] <posingaspopular> someone say it's actively dangerous to the stability of the operating system. matthew made the case here: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/ i you read the third blog down
[04:55] <posingaspopular> some would say*
[04:55] <posingaspopular> if you read*
[04:55] <MarcC> jagcorvair: just read their FAQ...I think it breaks down most of the issues
[04:55] <MarcC> I think you can also remove whatever it installs through the same interface, but I haven't tried that
[04:56] <MarcC> I'm not sure how current most of the complaints/problems are
[04:56] <posingaspopular> ^^ complaints on matthew's blog
[04:57] <rockets> Ok, I'm having an actual "big deal" issue. When I log in to kubuntu with Xgl enabled, its slow as hell. With xgl disasbled its fine.
[04:57] <rockets> There's no problem at all with Xgl under gnome.
[04:58] <MarcC> posingaspopular: yeah, I read that before, but I'm not sure if they haven't addressed those issues since...august
[04:58] <MarcC> not to defend them or anything :(
[04:59] <spykedtomato> hi there - dumb lille konqueror question - I made some modifications a long time ago using the instructions here: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Hidden%20configuration - but I want to turn everything to defaults again - any ideas how?
[04:59] <posingaspopular> yea i dont think he's blogged much since then
[05:01] <rockets> Apparently nobody likes me in this channel.
[05:01] <rockets> How do I enable font anti-aliasing in KDE?
[05:02] <MarcC> control panel
[05:02] <MarcC> appearance -> fonts I think
[05:02] <rockets> found it
[05:02] <hydrogen> heh
[05:02] <hydrogen> the funny thing is
[05:03] <hydrogen> automatix is going to be integrated with ubuntu proper in hardy
[05:03] <rockets> Hmm . . .
[05:03] <rockets> No KDE sounds seem to be playing
[05:03] <rockets> arts is running
[05:03] <rockets> sound works in gnome
[05:04] <spykedtomato> hydrogen: where do you have that info from?
[05:04] <hydrogen> the blueprints
[05:04] <hydrogen> for hardy
[05:04] <spykedtomato> ... i thought automatix and ubuntu hated each other? or is that old news?
[05:05] <rockets> they dont *hate* eachother.
[05:05] <rockets> ubuntu just thinks automatix breaks ubuntu.
[05:05] <rockets> and it does.
[05:11] <jari> hi
[05:12] <Tm_T> moi
[05:12] <jari> does any one know how to setup the laptops touch pad? it works otherwise but needs tuning
[05:12] <jari> moi Tm_T :)
[05:13] <hydrogen> uhh
[05:13] <hydrogen> theres a factoid about it
[05:13] <hydrogen> !touchpad
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about touchpad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <Tm_T> !synaptics
[05:13] <ubotu> For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[05:13] <hydrogen> yea
[05:13] <hydrogen> thats it
[05:13] <hydrogen> I knew I was gonna type in the ubuntu package manager instead
[05:14] <hydrogen> because they have way too similar names
[05:15] <Tm_T> !touchpad | hydrogen
[05:15] <ubotu> hydrogen: For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[05:15] <hydrogen> !yay | tm_t
[05:15] <ubotu> tm_t: Glad you made it! :-)
[05:15] <Tm_T> erm
[05:15] <hydrogen> wow, that actually worked
[05:15] <hydrogen> and even what ubotu said made sense in context
[05:16] <hydrogen> that never happens for me
[05:20] <jari> thanks!
[05:22] <jagcorvair> I cannot manage to make any media player play the DVD. I keep getting "missing plugins" and "insufficient rights" errors
[05:23] <betomedin> hola? alguien habla español?
[05:23] <keith-> okay is there a way to make my toolbars in kopete not return after i restart kopete?
[05:23] <keith-> the main toolbar and the quick search are the ones i'm having issues with
[05:24] <Tm_T> !es | betomedin
[05:24] <ubotu> betomedin: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[05:24] <betomedin> gracias :D
[05:26] <jagcorvair> How do I just install everything that is DVD and DVD-plugin related?
[05:29] <hydrogen> !dvd | jagcorvair
[05:29] <ubotu> jagcorvair: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:36] <jagcorvair> hydrogen: I've tried all of that. Nothing seems to work :(
[05:36] <rockets> What's the metapackage for kde4 again>?
[05:43] <kristjan_> hey my adept lost the ability to use KDE's user style, colors and font size recently - is it temporally so or what has happened to kdesudo?
[05:44] <keith-> it's because there is no theme set for root
[05:45] <kristjan_> keith-: there doesn't have to be
[05:45] <kristjan_> keith-: that's the point of kdesudo in gutsy
[05:45] <keith-> i've never had it use my theme or font even with kdesudo...
[05:45] <kristjan_> keith-: adept should adapt the user kde preferences of look&feel
[05:46] <kristjan_> keith-: it did for me after, but now it doesn't after the last system update
[05:46] <kristjan_> keith-: err, scratch that extra "after"
[05:47] <keith-> hmm odd... check bugreports?
[05:47] <keith-> it could definitely be that i haven't noticed it working because i rarely use adept
[06:01] <Dr_Willis> !freenx
[06:01] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[06:09] <Rukus> hi
[06:09] <Rukus> I cant get my ATI card to use fglrx
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> hiddy hooo
[06:09] <Rukus> it defaults to Mesa
[06:09] <Rukus> why?
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> what card is this?
[06:09] <Rukus> this is resulting in a super slow pc
[06:10] <Rukus> i have a laptop with the xpress200m chipset
[06:10] <Dr_Willis>  I got a x200m laptop also.. :) dont expect it to do much 3d wise...
[06:10] <Rukus> i dont expect it to, i just expect it to atleast run the driver
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> Not sure if its using mesa or not. it is using the fglrx driver.
[06:11] <Rukus> try fglrxinfo on yours
[06:11] <Rukus> tell me if yours works
[06:11] <Dr_Willis> The laptop is not handy. :) let me go plug it in  downstairs.
[06:11] <Rukus> oh ok
[06:11] <Rukus> thanks for that too!
[06:12] <m4st3r> plz invite me the python channel
[06:12] <Rukus> i wonder if i need to enable the restricted driver??? that doesnt sound right
[06:13] <Dr_willis_> And here i am in the basement.. :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis_> all i did for my laptop was run the restircted-manmager tool and checked to let it install the fglrx drivers
[06:13] <Rukus> neatoo
[06:13] <Rukus> really
[06:13] <Rukus> whats that tool
[06:13] <Dr_willis_> Its in the menus somewhere.
[06:13] <Rukus> hmm
[06:13] <Dr_willis_> or try runnin sudo restricted-manager
[06:14] <Dr_willis_> actually I though the first time ya booted up - it asked even. :)
[06:14] <Rukus> so i should run restricted driversS??/
[06:15] <Rukus> i should reboot
[06:15] <Dr_willis_> All the restricted-manager tool does - Is install the actual ATI fglrx drivers and others your system may need
[06:15] <Rukus> so
[06:15] <Dr_willis_> lets see what the wiki says
[06:15] <Dr_willis_> !ati
[06:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:15] <bless09> msg nickserv set email dandelion1773@hanmail.net
[06:16] <Rukus> use status screenf or that
[06:16] <Rukus> for
[06:16] <Rukus> never issue nickerv/chanserv commands in a chat
[06:17] <bazhang> bless09: you need to /msg
[06:17] <Dr_willis_> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic restricted-manager-kde
[06:17] <Dr_willis_> Open the restricted drivers manager from KMenu → System Settings → Advanced → Restricted Drivers and select "ATI accelerated graphics driver". This will hopefully enable fglrx in a painless way
[06:17] <bless09> bazhang: ok i did
[06:17] <Rukus> ok
[06:18] <Rukus> all i need to do now is reboot
[06:18] <Rukus> thanks for the help, i'll be back to let u know how it went
[06:19] <rockets> Anybody have any KDE 3.5 theme reccomednations
[06:19] <rockets> Something nice and clean.
[06:19] <Dr_willis_> I tend to just use the Plastik or whatever themes are in the repos.
[06:21] <Dr_willis_> polyester is nice and clean also. :) easy on the eyes..
[06:21] <Dr_willis_> Of course if you start using compiz.. well that opens up other posibilites
[06:22] <rockets> Dr_willis I cant use compiz
[06:22] <Dr_willis_> thats proberly a good thing. :)
[06:23] <rockets> Dr_willis I have ATI, so I need to use Xgl, and Xgl works FINE in gnome, but makes KDE slow as hel
[06:23] <rockets> for some reason.
[06:23] <rockets> In gnome i have compiz with crazy effects all fine
[06:24] <Dr_willis_> the newer ati drivers i hear - remove the need for xgl.. but I dont use them.. so cant tell ya anything more.
[06:24] <rockets> Dr_willis_: I know that, those drivers segfault on my machine.
[06:26] <barkah> hi
[06:26] <barkah> i need help
[06:26] <barkah> i am using kubuntu now
[06:26] <barkah> i try mount hardisk with windows partition (FAT32) and success
[06:26] <pacman> hey dr_willis, can you PM me?
[06:26] <barkah> but i cannot edit the files on it
[06:27] <barkah> it become read only file
[06:27] <barkah> i cannot edit my files on windows patition
[06:27] <MilitantPotato> rockets: you can use the new ATI drivers, they don't need XGL
[06:27] <barkah> anyone can help me?
[06:27] <MilitantPotato> rockets: but they're a little buggy.
[06:28] <Dr_willis_> pacman,  whatever for?
[06:28] <MilitantPotato> barkah: use chown
[06:28] <barkah> what is chown?
[06:28] <MilitantPotato> type man chown into console to learn how to use it :)
[06:28] <MilitantPotato> it changes file permissions
[06:28] <Dr_willis_> When mounting a vfat partition you MUST use the proper options to set the permissions.
[06:28] <MilitantPotato> ah that too
[06:28] <Dr_willis_> you dont 'chown' vfat mount points, or files on a fat partition
[06:29] <MilitantPotato> you don't?
[06:29] <barkah> ok, i'll try
[06:29] <Dr_willis_> the umask=0002 is a common optiuon when mounting them
[06:29] <MilitantPotato> Ah sorry, thanks for correcting me.
[06:29] <Dr_willis_> MilitantPotato,  you can try.. :) it wont do anything.
[06:29] <pacman> I got a few questions, and I don't want to ass up the main chat
[06:29] <Dr_willis_> BRB
[06:29] <barkah> i mount from system administration
[06:30] <MilitantPotato> UUID=469E-6D26 /media/hda5 vfat defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0 1
[06:30] <barkah> and disks and file systems
[06:30] <MilitantPotato> that's the entry in my fstab for my vfat
[06:30] <rockets> I installed all the KDE4 stuff, how can I tell which things in the menu are KDE4 and which are KDE 3.5?
[06:31] <MilitantPotato> wb
[06:32] <MilitantPotato> !factoids
[06:32] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:33] <sonoftheclayr> How do I change the resolution of the terminal (tty1-6)? I have vga=791 appended to the boot options in grub's menu.lst but it is still 800x600
[06:34] <Dr_willis_> Hmm.. that advant-window-navagiator thing.. looks nice.. but cant get it to show up on the Correct Monitor.. heh heh..
[06:35] <MilitantPotato> !umask
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about umask - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <Dr_willis_> !ntfs
[06:36] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[06:36] <Dr_willis_> the ntfs/vfat guides show examples of using the umask optuon in the fstab file
[06:36] <rockets> Anybody have any reccomendations for making Kopete less ugly?
[06:36] <MilitantPotato> thanks willis
[06:38] <rockets> Hmm I can't seem to find a KDE cpu frequency monitoring applet
[06:39] <MilitantPotato> have you logged out and back in after installing it?
[06:39] <bazhang> rockets: what's wrong with kopete? you could ask in #kopete
[06:39] <rockets> bazhang: its ugly as hell.
[06:39] <MilitantPotato> rockets: get emerald :)
[06:40] <raylu> eh?
[06:40] <bazhang> rockets: not really a support channel issue--I like the way it looks
[06:40] <raylu> i hate how pidgin looks. kopete is awesome
[06:40] <rockets> II hate how kopete looks, pidgin is awesome.
[06:40] <rockets> ;-P
[06:40] <Rukus> my composite manager failed now
[06:40] <raylu> lol
[06:40] <raylu> if you like gtk, use ubuntu
[06:40] <rockets> I do, usually.
[06:41] <rockets> I can't stand the way Qt looks, its so cluttered. I just like fooling with KDE sometimes.
[06:41] <Daisuke-Ido> raylu: i like firefox, should i stop using kubuntu?
[06:41] <Tm_T> rockets: have you looked configurations?
[06:41] <rockets> what does "looked configurations" mean
[06:41] <raylu> Daisuke-Ido, eh? it's neither qt nor gtk, right?
[06:42] <Tm_T> raylu: Firefox is GTK
[06:42] <Rukus> http://pastebin.com/m404f64c0
[06:42] <Tm_T> rockets: look settings, twice
[06:42] <Rukus> whats that mean
[06:42] <raylu> o.0
[06:42] <rockets> "look settings"?
[06:42] <rockets> I'm going to guess that english is not your first language and that you're asking me to look AT configurations.
[06:43] <MilitantPotato> Rukus: what driver and card?
[06:43] <raylu> o.0, he's a kde dev
[06:43] <Rukus> ATI xpress200m fglrx. just rebooted into restricted drivers
[06:43] <Rukus> and enabled fglrx driver
[06:44] <rockets> raylu: it uses gtk
[06:44] <rockets> GTK + XUL
[06:44] <MilitantPotato> Rukus: unless you installed the drivers from the ATI website, your drivers don't support AIGLX, so you'll need to run XGL to get things like compiz and the fancier window decorations to work.
[06:44] <raylu> i see
[06:44] <rockets> Where is the Kubuntu gui for enabling effects btw
[06:44] <raylu> rockets, there is none :D
[06:44] <MilitantPotato> Rukus: on gutsy it should run XGL without any configuration, on feisty it requires some scripts.
[06:45] <Rukus> ohhhh
[06:45] <Rukus> so al li need to do i install xgl-server to correct this?
[06:45] <MilitantPotato> yep
[06:45] <Rukus> ok thanks man
[06:45] <MilitantPotato> hopefully.
[06:45] <Rukus> :)
[06:45] <bazhang> raylu: not quite so; none by default--but easily installed
[06:46] <raylu> right
[06:46] <raylu> but there's no gui for enabling them :D
[06:46] <MilitantPotato> it does mention enabling composite, but I seem to remember composite made compiz stop working for me on the old ATI drivers.
[06:46] <rockets> raylu: oh. great.
[06:47] <Rukus> xserver-xgl rather
[06:47] <Rukus> well we'll see
[06:47] <Rukus> i'm not running compix at the moment, i'm done with botching my ssystem for now
[06:47] <Rukus> i just want it to work now
[06:48] <MilitantPotato> compiz to work?
[06:48] <Rukus> no my video card
[06:48] <Rukus> i just got it back to normal res from 640x480
[06:48] <Rukus> ok bbl
[06:48] <Rukus> restarting X-server
[06:50] <gorlak> i know you can install a fresh copy of kubuntu from the CD, and you can use the web to upgrade the os, but can you use the CD to upgrade so you dont lose your settings /files ?
[06:51] <Rukus> ok everything seems to work now
[06:51] <Rukus> altho a lil slow
[06:51] <bazhang> gorlak: you mean to have a backup of everything you have ever installed?
[06:52] <bazhang> !info aptoncd
[06:52] <ubotu> aptoncd: Installation disc creator for packages downloaded via APT. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.97-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 135 kB, installed size 1024 kB
[06:53] <gorlak> upgrading the os to gutsy. kinda like how windows does its "upgrade" feature.
[06:54] <gorlak> not just the applications, being kept when it upgrades but everything in my home dir too
[06:54] <bazhang> gorlak: not sure about windows--never touch the stuff :} back up your home folder, then use aptoncd for the rest
[06:55] <Dr_willis_> I find its often much cleaner to just backup your home dir. (or keep it on its own partition) and do clean reinstalls
[06:56] <gorlak> backing up the home dir would be precautionary right? does it actually intentionally go through and wipe out those dirs or just in case?
[06:56] <MilitantPotato> gorlak: you can upgrade from the CD, but a fresh install is the best way to go.
[06:56] <gorlak> i see
[06:56] <bazhang> Dr_willis_: excellent point--but I always forget to do that--will remember next time :}
[06:56] <Tm_T> MilitantPotato: it's best way to go by who?
[06:57] <Tm_T> gorlak: try upgrading if you have nothing to lose
[06:57] <MilitantPotato> Tm_T: people who don't mind the extra bit of time it takes, or don't want to worry if something breaks I'd reccon
[06:57] <gorlak> tried doing it using the CD, but i couldnt figure out how to get it to use the CD for the upgrade is all
[06:57] <gorlak> i already have my homedir backed up, in a way.
[06:58] <vbgunz> what does rip dvd video in k3b do? I know it sounds straightforward, but seriously... what does it do? how do you work it?
[06:59] <MilitantPotato> the manual might tell you?
[06:59] <bazhang> vbgunz: it copies the dvd
[06:59] <vbgunz> I checked under toold 'rip dvd...' its not there
[07:00] <MilitantPotato> Tm_T: I guess I shouldn't of made it sound as definitive.
[07:00] <gorlak> ill have to look through it again, thanks :)
[07:00] <Tm_T> MilitantPotato: aye
[07:00] <vbgunz> I think I got it... I just double clicked a file and it ended up down stairs
[07:07] <vbgunz> hmm... I thought I could convert a dvd to avi through k3b. isn't this possible?
[07:12] <barkah> i cannot edit the files on my vfat (windows) hardisk partition. please help me
[07:13] <Tm_T> !dvd | vbgunz
[07:13] <ubotu> vbgunz: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[07:13] <mot_> welp
[07:13] <vbgunz> heh, am looking for libdvdcss3... not finding it in deb form though I have a single decss file...
[07:13] <mot_> i've officially seen the worst thing on the internet.
[07:14] <barkah> hello
[07:14] <mot_> there is simply nothing worse than this in existance, i guarantee it.
[07:14] <mot_> ho-lee-shit.
[07:14] <bazhang> !ohmy | mot_
[07:14] <ubotu> mot_: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:15] <barkah> anyone can help me?
[07:15] <mot_> are you serious?
[07:15] <mot_> why is everybody in this country so politically correct.
[07:15] <mot_> oh man, the "s" word guys.
[07:16] <Tm_T> mot_: we aren't in your country
[07:16] <bazhang> !ot | mot_
[07:16] <ubotu> mot_: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:16] <barkah> yea
[07:16] <mot_> Tm_T, where are you?
[07:16] <barkah> ubotu can help me?
[07:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about can help me? - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:16] <Tm_T> mot_: elsewhere
[07:16] <barkah> can you help me?
[07:16] <mot_> ahh you're finnish.
[07:17] <mot_> right. well, europeans are less prude than americans so i don't see where you're coming from.
[07:17] <barkah> ubotu?
[07:17] <mot_> nevermind.
[07:17] <Tm_T> mot_: well point is, this channel have to be suitable for all ages
[07:18] <mot_> Tm_T, right.
[07:18] <mot_> alright then, let's take careful observation of, let's say the US as a good microism of study.
[07:18] <Tm_T> mot_: you are free to disagree, but that brings me some freedoms with it
[07:18] <Tm_T> mot_: no, that's offtopic
[07:18] <mot_> it's acceptable to show blood, guts, gore and violence during mainstream prime-time television, but nudity and "coarse language" are oh-so lament-worthy? really now?
[07:19] <Tm_T> I know, but that's offtopic
[07:19] <mot_> you're right.
[07:19] <mot_> i'll just go to bed
[07:19] <Tm_T> please do
[07:21] <MilitantPotato> !mouse
[07:21] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[07:21] <Rukus> lets say i wanted to install gutsy on my machine, got any tips on doing so?
[07:22] <Rukus> errr
[07:22] <Rukus> waot
[07:22] <Rukus> wow
[07:22] <Rukus> i messed that up
[07:22] <Rukus> lets say i wanted to install compiz on my gutsy machine, got any tips on doing so?
[07:22] <Tm_T> !compiz | Rukus
[07:22] <ubotu> Rukus: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[07:22] <Tm_T> yes I got ;)
[07:22] <Rukus> lol
[07:22] <Rukus> niiice
[07:22] <Rukus> thanks
[07:23] <Rukus> i've never got ot to work yet. i dont think i've done it correctly
[07:24] <Rukus> i will try again
[07:24] <MilitantPotato> man my xorg is messed up :(
[07:25] <Rukus> mine used to be
[07:25] <Rukus> then i ran this command:
[07:25] <Rukus> one sec
[07:25] <Rukus> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[07:26] <Rukus> if you know what ie means, great
[07:26] <Rukus> it*
[07:26] <Rukus> also
[07:26] <Rukus> lol
[07:26] <MilitantPotato> well for some reason everything was changed to fail safe
[07:27] <Rukus> wow
[07:27] <Rukus> compiz works
[07:27] <MilitantPotato> is running dolphin via kdesudo a bad idea?
[07:28] <Rukus> no
[07:28] <Rukus> not from what i understand
[07:28] <Rukus> wait
[07:28] <Rukus> i dunno
[07:28] <Nyle> I just uploaded a video to youtube
[07:28] <Nyle> hehe
[07:29] <MilitantPotato> wish me luck.
[07:29] <Rukus> oh man
[07:29] <Rukus> i alwasy miss steps
[07:29] <Rukus> aughh
[07:30] <Rukus> oh wasnt a big deal
[07:30] <Rukus> o brb
[07:31] <MilitantPotato> sweet.
[07:31] <vbgunz> is xvid in any repos?
[07:31] <MilitantPotato> medibuntu i think
[07:32] <vbgunz> I enabled medibuntu. I have a few hits but nothing stands out :/
[07:32] <vbgunz> no xvid, libxvid...
[07:33] <MilitantPotato> !codecs
[07:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:34] <vbgunz> xvid not found on any of those pages...
[07:34] <vbgunz> thanks though
[07:35] <MilitantPotato> yea that wound up being usless
[07:36] <vbgunz> I see xvid4conf in the repos but not sure if thats what I need
[07:37] <Rukus> ok, i usually let my taskbar be covered by programs, and then touch the top of the screen to show it
[07:37] <Rukus> now that i run compiz, i can no longer do that
[07:38] <MilitantPotato> libxvidcore4
[07:39] <Rukus> kkkkk?
[07:39] <Rukus> err
[07:39] <Rukus> ?
[07:39] <MilitantPotato> @ vbgunz
[07:39] <vbgunz> yes
[07:40] <vbgunz> I think that is it. was looking through debian repos and that is the only one that links back to xvid.org :)
[07:40] <vbgunz> "libxvidcore4 is already the newest version."
[07:40] <vbgunz> heh
[07:40] <Rukus> man compiz is sweet
[07:41] <Rukus> now i just need the patience to configure it
[07:41] <vbgunz> thanks MilitantPotato!
[07:42] <Harahu> Hello I am on the site (wiki.kubuntu.org/) and was wondering where I can find a full list of the programs in Kubuntu 7.10 - Gutsy Gibbon, as well as if it is compatible with the Internet service provider "Wild Blue". I hope I am not interupting any thingI am new to Linuk-based OSs and am unfilimar with such thing (being new to computers and all). Ia terrible sorry if I am out of line in...
[07:42] <Harahu> ...anyway and can what for the answers to the aforementioned question. (sorry for any syntax or spelling errors, and real or perceived. |\|00|3ishness)
[07:43] <Tm_T> Harahu: full list? urm, that would be long one
[07:43] <Harahu> *or if this is an improper place to ask such questions.
[07:44] <Tm_T> no this is fine
[07:44] <Harahu> I was wonder about a site with such a thing.
[07:45] <Tm_T> Harahu: one kind of, packages.ubuntu.com
[07:46] <Harahu> So there are are costomible downlaods?
[07:46] <Harahu> *costomizeble
[07:46] <Tm_T> well, when you have installed Kubuntu, you can install ~whatever you like in it from package repositories
[07:46] <Rukus> wow
[07:46] <Rukus> this is so awesome
[07:46] <Harahu> cool.
[07:47]  * Harahu is 17% into a Kubuntu DL
[07:49] <Harahu> Does anyone here know if the ISP wildblue works with Kubuntu?
[07:50] <Harahu> or more accurately if their modems do?
[07:52] <Daisuke-Ido> is it a cable modem?  dsl modem?
[07:52] <Daisuke-Ido> you need to be more specific
[07:53] <Daisuke-Ido> how does it connect to the pc?  is the modem internal?  is the modem external?  is it a modem/router combo?
[07:53] <Harahu> Exernal.
[07:53] <Daisuke-Ido> cable?  dsl?
[07:54] <Harahu> Satalite
[07:54] <Daisuke-Ido> hmm
[07:54] <Daisuke-Ido> then i have no clue
[07:54] <Harahu> oh and I had a router connected to it as well.
[07:56] <Harahu> I live in the middle of nowhere, so I am such with it.
[07:56] <Harahu> *stuck
[07:56] <fignew> if you have a router
[07:57] <fignew> then you should be OK
[07:58] <Harahu> I see, I am connected to the router by Ethernet cable.
[07:59] <Harahu> Thank you both.
[08:00] <Rukus> oh man i wish i had a faster graphis ard
[08:00] <Rukus> so ool
[08:00] <Rukus> koool
[08:00] <Harahu> I read a bit on a forum and it work with ubuntu.
[08:01] <Harahu> *works
[08:01] <bazhang> Harahu: good luck! come back if you need help
[08:01] <Harahu> Can I stay?
[08:02] <bazhang> hehe
[08:02] <bazhang> of course--I thought you were off to install--sorry! :}
[08:02]  * Harahu has been wanting to join another chatroom.
[08:03] <bazhang> #kubuntu-offtopic is nice
[08:03] <Harahu> I have somewhat strange question.
[08:05] <Harahu> Can you (in the universal sense) program the "startbar"-like thing (I have no idea what it is called) on Kubuntu the open like a folder?
[08:06] <bazhang> kmenu--like in os x?
[08:06] <Harahu> So I can pick more then one program at a time.
[08:07] <killermike> Harahu: What I do is to create a launchbar and place it at the side of the screen. I then drop my most comonly used applications onto that.
[08:08] <Harahu> I see.
[08:09] <MilitantPotato> Does anyone have a fix for Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[08:09] <killermike> Harahu: That gives some of the benifits of what you are sugesting.
[08:09] <Harahu> yes.
[08:09] <MilitantPotato> I'm having to run <sudo xhost +local:usrname> after every login but it keeps breaking my xorg.conf
[08:11] <MilitantPotato> I can't run kdesudo untill I've run that command, but gksudo works fine.
[08:15] <MilitantPotato> anyone?
[08:16] <MilitantPotato> brb
[08:16] <AddyK> Hmm, it's strange that kubuntu be so quiet...
[08:17] <Harahu> Does Kubuntu have good tablet PC support. (my current PC is a non-tablet laptop. but I want to get one.)
[08:23] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[08:24] <Harahu> Hello.
[08:24] <kraut> moin
[08:25] <ActionParsnip> does anyone know how big is the basic install of kubuntu is?
[08:26] <vge> as big as large xp install would imho
[08:27] <bazhang> less than 4GB iirc
[08:27] <se7en> on the desktop installer it says minimum2gb recomended 4gb ActionParsnip
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> se7en: dave?
[08:28] <se7en> ActionParsnip: dave?
[08:28] <ActionParsnip> se7en: does the name shadoweater mean anything to you, maybe on yahoo?
[08:28] <vge> hmm, someone knows program to list last edited files in kde?
[08:28] <MilitantPotato> I keep getting Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server when I try to use kdesudo, running sudo xhost +local:jason makes it so I can run kdesudo.   But I have to do this every login, and it seems to also be breaking my display (whatever the issue is) because it keeps putting me in fail safe grafics mode.
[08:29] <se7en> ActionParsnip: nop sorry
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> se7en: I had an old mate who had the same/similar screen name to yours
[08:29] <ActionParsnip> se7en: oh well
[08:30] <ActionParsnip> Is there a way to choose apps to install / not install?
[08:31] <ActionParsnip> i can uninstall when it is in but figured it'd be more graceful
[08:31] <bazhang> not at this point in time
[08:31] <bazhang> unless you do the minimal install
[08:32] <ActionParsnip> bazhang: does minimal give me X?
[08:32] <bazhang> if you want it :}
[08:32] <ActionParsnip> ok cool
[08:33] <ActionParsnip> just trying to maximise storage as the system is to be a NAS
[08:46] <Harahu> oh by the way this is the thing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=color.png I was talking about.
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: which bit?
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: do you mean Adept?
[08:48] <Harahu> Harahu>	Can you (in the universal sense) program the "startbar"-like thing (I have no idea what it is called) on Kubuntu the open like a folder? | the thing clicked.
[08:49] <Harahu> "Adept", I am unfamiliar with this term.
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: so you want the startbar to give a folder view of the apps under each section
[08:51] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: so you can click "system" and folder with Adept, Dolphin, kbluetooth etc pops up?
[08:52] <Harahu> yes, so I can pick more then one app at a time without it closing first, or does it not do that, like windows startbar button does?
[08:52] <mikedomo> hi eyi have trouble with 3 D  cube
[08:52] <mikedomo> i cant zoom out it
[08:53] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: if you right click the menubar does it say open? I'm at work on an XP lappy at the moment so I cant investigate
[08:53] <Harahu> I am weird and I become annoyed when it closes in windows.
[08:54] <Harahu> oh my, I never in my life new you could do that.
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: did it work?
[08:55] <Harahu> yes, but not all my programs where in it.
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> mikedomo: not sure. let me google
[08:56] <Harahu> (note I am still run WinXP, the Kubuntu is not Dled yet)
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: can you add to what you now see?
[08:57] <se7en> how do i cd to a samba (xp) box from the terminal
[08:57] <mikedomo> ok
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> mikedomo: you could restart beryl :)
[08:58] <mikedomo> well i use compizfusion
[08:58] <Harahu> Oh I just cliked open allusers and everything was there, hmm weird.
[08:58] <mikedomo> not beryl
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> se7en: http://cri.ch/linux/docs/sk0001.html
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: oh you are wanting help in XP. This is KUbuntu chat
[09:00] <Harahu> No, I was using that as a way to ask a Kubuntu question.
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: ok I know what you mean. could run it from konsole
[09:01] <Harahu> I dislike window, hence the Kubuntu download.
[09:02] <ActionParsnip> Harahu: e.g. $ firefox; kate
[09:02] <[ifr0g]> !pdf
[09:02] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/evince, and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[09:02] <Harahu> AP: Oh, what does that do?
[09:04] <mikedomo> i will like watch 3 d cube far in the center of screen
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> mikedomo: change your zoom level in beryl-config
[09:05] <mikedomo> i use compiz fusion
[09:06] <mikedomo> where is that option
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> mikedomo: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Plugins/Ezoom
[09:06] <mikedomo> thanks
[09:06] <ActionParsnip> mikedomo: np :D
[09:10] <mikedomo> not work
[09:10] <[ifr0g]> Quick, whats the pdf creation program called ?
[09:10] <mikedomo> i will like rotate the 3 D cube far
[09:11] <mikedomo> zoom out
[09:11] <daffytheduck> hi im after some repo's for vmware can anyone help thnx
[09:11] <mikedomo> i dont know help me
[09:11] <daffytheduck> whats your problem
[09:12] <mikedomo> well
[09:12] <mikedomo> ifews hours i intalled compizfusion
[09:12] <mikedomo> and i  make great effects
[09:13] <mikedomo> but the 3 D cube i cant make it because i cant zoom out
[09:13] <mikedomo> for watch it completly
[09:13] <pacman> is the new version of kubuntu available via apt-get install?
[09:14] <daffytheduck> did u try ctrl +alt and the move the mouse on the desktop
[09:14] <mikedomo> mmm
[09:15] <daffytheduck> ctrl+alt and drag the mouse accross the Desktop
[09:15] <daffytheduck> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:15] <daffytheduck> or b4 u do that upgrade
[09:15] <mikedomo> yeah works only
[09:15] <mikedomo> i have a problme
[09:16] <mikedomo> i am in the cube
[09:16] <daffytheduck> ok
[09:16] <daffytheduck> your view is from inside the cube
[09:16] <mikedomo> i will like to staye out
[09:16] <mikedomo> yes
[09:16] <daffytheduck> ok
[09:16] <daffytheduck> there are settings there for that
[09:16] <daffytheduck> but youll have to hunt them down
[09:16] <xanax`> hello
[09:17] <daffytheduck> i dont have compiz here at the moment so i cant really help
[09:17] <daffytheduck> but i know what your talking about and Ive done it from the settings
[09:17] <mikedomo> well i think use beryl
[09:17] <daffytheduck> beryl is old
[09:17] <pacman> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:17] <pacman> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:18] <daffytheduck> anyway I need some repos for vmware can anyone help
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> pacman you need sudo for that
[09:18] <xanax`> I installed vmware player 2 and I run kubuntu 7.10 as guest OS (I found the appliance here : http://isv-image.ubuntu.com/vmware/ ) but I don't know what is the root password. Can someone help me find it out ?
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> daffytheduck: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-vmware-server-from-canonical-commercial-repository-in-ubuntu-feisty.html
[09:19] <daffytheduck> thnx :))))
[09:19] <pacman> still getting the same error, action....the first time I did that was under sudo bash
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> daffytheduck: has the repo deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu feisty-commercial main
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> pacman: what command are you running?
[09:20] <pacman> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:21] <daffytheduck> yeah i noticed should i replace feisty with gutsy
[09:21] <daffytheduck> see if it updates ok
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> pacman: you will need to do sudo for that command
[09:21] <pacman> as sudo bash?
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> daffytheduck: try it :D
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> pacman: run konsole as user then sudo the command
[09:22] <pacman> still same error
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> pacman: I would advise never running any app as root like that
[09:22] <ActionParsnip> pacman: do you have adept open?
[09:22] <daffytheduck> nope
[09:22] <daffytheduck> :(
[09:22] <pacman> I did, and it says I have the newest version
[09:23] <pacman> however, I'm on 7.04
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> daffytheduck: http://igordevlog.blogspot.com/2007/07/vmware-in-ubuntu-gutsy-kernel-2622.html
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> pacman: so are you trying to upgrade to gutsy??
[09:23] <pacman> yes
[09:23] <mikedomo> ttahanks y resolve that
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> pacman: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading has a link for upgrading KUbuntu as well
[09:26] <pacman> can you PM me, action?
[09:27] <schiste> pacman reinstall everything
[09:27] <xanax`> Can someone help me find out what is the root password for these (k)ubuntu vmware appliances ?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Player
[09:27] <schiste> It's the only flawless method
[09:28] <ActionParsnip> pacman: if you follow that walkthrough you should be ok
[09:28] <pacman> well, it won't let me talk back to you, action
[09:28] <Lynoure> xanax`: probably still no root, just sudo. I don't know, but I'd try  kubuntu  first
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> pacman: weird, anyway that walkthrough seems ok. You could download the CD and wang it in your CD drive and upgrade that way
[09:30] <pacman> yeah, I put a new HD in, and only have 7.04 on disk
[09:31] <pacman> might as well upgrade since I have to set everything up anyhow
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> pacman: try the site I sent. Should be ok
[09:32] <pacman> it's working now
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> pacman: or google for upgrade to gutsy
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> pacman: awesome :D
[09:33] <pacman> is wlassistant not available anymore?
[09:33] <pacman> or do I need to enable other repositories
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> pacman: not sure man. just wait and see what you get after the update and go from there
[09:37] <pacman> it's done?
[09:37] <pacman> that's it?
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> pacman: yeah pretty much
[09:39] <pacman> that was fast
[09:39] <pacman> thought it was gonna take an hour
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> pacman: depends what apps you have installed
[09:40] <pacman> I didn't have anything
[09:41] <pacman> I literally just hooked up my new HD and installed 7.06 onto it
[09:41] <pacman> then installed everything in that link
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> pacman: then you have very little to update
[09:42] <pacman> hmm
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> pacman: try a system reboot to test
[09:45] <pacman> okay, brb
[09:46] <serishema> i'm wondering why my battery life on my ibook g4 is so short under kubuntu as compared to under mac os x. With kpowermanager set to "power save" I only get about 2 hours, compared to 4 under mac os x.
[09:49] <MilitantPotato> .Xauthority should be owned by me right?
[09:49] <timri> MilitantPotato: yes
[09:49] <MilitantPotato> Awsome.
[09:49] <MilitantPotato> That was a huge headache.
[09:50] <MilitantPotato> somehow it was owned by root, so kdesudo aswell as the majority of the things in the K menu wouldn't load.
[09:50] <MilitantPotato> i had to use sudo and gksudo to open them
[09:50] <timri> MilitantPotato: NEVER use sudo and gui apps.
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> MilitantPotato: sudo chown should help :)
[09:51] <MilitantPotato> ActionParsnip: that's exactly what I did, worked like a charm
[09:51] <MilitantPotato> timri: yea, never do, not sure why I mentioned sudo
[09:51] <timri> MilitantPotato: Anyway, you should probably also sudo chown 0600 .Xauthority
[09:51] <pacman> ActionParsnip: I'm back
[09:51] <MilitantPotato> instead of chown jason:jason ?
[09:51] <timri> MilitantPotato: No, that also
[09:51] <MilitantPotato> will do.
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> pacman: all good?
[09:52] <ActionParsnip> timri: why not use sudo for gui apps?
[09:52] <pacman> I guess...how do I tell which version I'm on?
[09:52] <MilitantPotato> Something about GUI aps needing access to the X server
[09:53] <timri> ActionParsnip: It can mess up the ownership of some of your configfiles
[09:53] <MilitantPotato> how would I make sure all the files in my home directory are properly owned by me?
[09:54] <MilitantPotato> I ran sudo chown -hR jason:jason /home/jason
[09:54] <MilitantPotato> is that enough?
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> pacman: cat /etc/issue
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> pacman: ?
[09:54] <timri> MilitantPotato: Thats a very bad idea
[09:54] <pacman> hmm, still 7.04
[09:54] <MilitantPotato> Argh.
[09:55] <MilitantPotato> timri: bad enough I should re-install?
[09:56] <timri> MilitantPotato: Nah, but you might run into minor security problems. Like adept_managerrc  should be root.root
[09:56] <timri> MilitantPotato: That one is in ~/.kde/share/config btw
[09:56] <ActionParsnip> pacman: googling...sec
[09:57] <MilitantPotato> I don't have that file
[09:57] <MilitantPotato>  have adept_installerrc
[09:57] <timri> MilitantPotato: Well, of course not, or you would not have been able to take ownership :)
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> pacman $ kdesu update-manager -c
[09:58] <timri> MilitantPotato: Thought of that just a little too late :)
[09:58] <sFEARs> hello
[09:59] <MilitantPotato> timri: any other files I should de-own?
[09:59] <timri> One sec.
[09:59] <WaltzingAlong> some programs will work fine with sudo GUIapp; some will not; rather than make a list, remembering each, follow the general rule: kdesu/kdesudo GUIapp    but    sudo CLIapp       regardless of where it is started (alt+f2 or konsole)
[10:00] <MilitantPotato> What does CLI stand for?
[10:01] <pacman> I just sprayed my g/f's ass with a can of compressed air
[10:02] <WaltzingAlong> MilitantPotato: command line interface
[10:02] <niels_> ubotu: !adept fix
[10:02] <MilitantPotato> pacman: i gave my wife a scar from compressed air, frost bit her.
[10:02] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[10:03] <MilitantPotato> Needless to say I never play with compressed air around her :(
[10:03] <timri> processing...
[10:03] <jamesarthur> Help! i just installed kubuntu 7.10 and am stuck at 640x480,,,, how do i change to 1024x768?
[10:04] <MilitantPotato> timri: I hope my request wasn't to much of a pain
[10:04] <BenjaminD> hello, i am new to linux. i have install kubuntu. I would like to get compiz or beryl running. I have an old laptop with ATI graphics card.. Is there a way i can find out if i have a composite manager running or installed alredy?
[10:04] <pacman> it does warn against frostbite
[10:04] <timri> MilitantPotato: not at all, just found out I had mounted some samba shares under ~, so grep takes a while :)
[10:05] <WaltzingAlong> jamesarthur: it may help to provide /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf    to !pastebin
[10:05] <timri> MilitantPotato: Anyway, it looks like I exaggerated when I said "very bad idea", sorry lead you on a wild goose chase :)
[10:05] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | BenjaminD, follow this
[10:05] <MilitantPotato> Warning labels, bah
[10:05] <MilitantPotato> BenjaminD: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[10:05] <WaltzingAlong> jamesarthur: you could run, in konsole,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh             to reconfigure X
[10:06] <MilitantPotato> whoa wrong guy
[10:06] <jamesarthur> WaltzingAlong: thanks i hope :)
[10:07] <MilitantPotato> BenjaminD: With an ATI card you'll need XGL, or the latest ATI drivers from www.ati.com but that requires building from source and a hand full of xorg.conf modifications
[10:07] <MilitantPotato> BenjaminD: xserver-xgl is the package you'd need.
[10:07] <WaltzingAlong> timri: MilitantPotato     yes for some programs "sudo GUIapp" will use the 'wrong' permissions/rights/account when writing files which later results in the normal user not being able to write to files in /home/user          though some GUIapps will flatout not launch when called from sudo rather than
[10:07] <BenjaminD> i had it working on ubuntu with ATI fglrx
[10:07] <WaltzingAlong> MilitantPotato: that is true only for the fglrx module before this latest release
[10:08] <BenjaminD> but when i installed xserver-xgl my kubuntu redraw ran VERY slow
[10:08] <WaltzingAlong> fglrx ati howto wiki http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide (for 3d support on older radeon cards, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver for data) | BenjaminD, MilitantPotato
[10:08] <BenjaminD> ?
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> is there a way to make GUI apps not run if executed via sudo?
[10:08] <timri> WaltzingAlong: iirc kate has that refusal to run under sudo built-in
[10:08] <MilitantPotato> BenjaminD: you could attempt the new ATI drivers, and see how that works.
[10:08] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: yes with xserver-xgl especially with compiz not running, X can run very slowly
[10:09] <BenjaminD> is there an alternative?
[10:09] <BenjaminD> or better way?
[10:09] <timri> MilitantPotato: Ok, after the mother of all lousy greps, I conclude you did NOT mess up your system :)
[10:09] <BenjaminD> before i install compiz now?
[10:09] <MilitantPotato> timri: thank god, I havn't done a backup lately :D
[10:09] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: if you can use fglrx yes then you can grab the version from the link i sent to you, which is the first fglrx release to work with AIGLX  (so xserver-xgl is not needed)
[10:09]  * timri will never ever try recursive grepping a samba share again :)
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> BenjaminD: to run compiz you need 3d acceleration which vesa wont give you
[10:09] <BenjaminD> aiglx is an alternative to xgl?
[10:10] <MilitantPotato> XGL allows cards that don't support AIGLX to work
[10:10] <MilitantPotato> *drivers
[10:10] <MilitantPotato> the new ATI drivers are far from perfect.
[10:11] <BenjaminD> apt-get install compiz wants to install all the gnome librarys??
[10:11] <WaltzingAlong> aiglx is accelerate indirect glx
[10:11] <BenjaminD> was trying to avoid that
[10:11] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: compiz was created with gnome in mind. kde has had a composite manager already and kde4 will include its own with similar effects to that of compiz
[10:12] <BenjaminD> so am i better to not worry about compiz then?
[10:12] <BenjaminD> laptop is oldish..
[10:12] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: as you like really
[10:12] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: which video card?
[10:12] <BenjaminD> ati x300
[10:12] <BenjaminD> 64mb
[10:15] <MilitantPotato> ping
[10:15] <BenjaminD> so kde4 is coming soon?
[10:15] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: december. you would need to use the open source 'radeon' module/driver for 3d accel with that card             https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[10:16] <BenjaminD> fglrx ?
[10:16] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: fglrx is for newer ATI/amd cards
[10:17] <BenjaminD> i had compiz working on ubuntu before with fglrx
[10:17] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: yes fglrx will not work with your card anyway
[10:17] <daffytheduck> can i get compiz working with the nv driver
[10:18] <daffytheduck> or do i need nvidia
[10:18] <timri> BenjaminD: Re: your question about "kde4 coming soon", you might want to ask that in #kde (better don an asbestos coat though)
[10:18] <daffytheduck> lol
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> daffytheduck: you need 3d accel which nv does not provide as far as i know
[10:19] <daffytheduck> ok
[10:19] <daffytheduck> i thought so
[10:19] <daffytheduck> can i install nvidia from the repos or do i have to get it from nvidia
[10:20] <WaltzingAlong> !nvidia | daffytheduck, either or
[10:20] <ubotu> daffytheduck, either or: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:20] <daffytheduck> thnx
[10:21] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: as far as i know 'radeon' works with your video card, not 'fglrx'; using 'ati' should call the radeon module for supported devices. check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for data about how that went
[10:22] <BenjaminD> thanks, i dont want to change drivers just this minute. im meant to be studying. i will follow that tutorial you sent before a little later
[10:22] <BenjaminD> radeon should work better than fglrx yes?
[10:22] <MilitantPotato> I got this in terminal while running kate: DCOP Cleaning up dead connections.  kdecore (KProcess): WARNING: _attachPty() 11
[10:23] <daffytheduck> can i get a sources.list with fast mirrors all i seem to be getting is everything at 11kbps :((
[10:24] <MilitantPotato> BenjaminD: stick with the radeon drivers :)
[10:24] <sFEARs> i upgraded to 7.10 and have multiple options in my boot menu... RT, Generic, & Low Latency... Generic & Low Latench boot fine but when i pick RT which i think is Real Time it hangs on the very end of the boot process.  Any ideas?
[10:28] <daffytheduck> !compiz
[10:28] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[10:32] <se7en> what is the different between system;/ and /media/ and how can i get to system:/ from the terminal
[10:33] <emilsedgh> se7en: media:/ is just storage media, like hard disc and dvd/cd and...
[10:33] <WaltzingAlong> daffytheduck: build your own using the list at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[10:33] <emilsedgh> se7en: system:/ contains applications:/, media:/, settings:/ and....
[10:33] <emilsedgh> se7en: and they are just accessible by KDE, not terminal and even Gnome apps
[10:34] <WaltzingAlong> se7en: and as far as i know it is a kio slave which is accessible through kde
[10:34] <se7en> ok how to i get to system;/ from the terminal
[10:35] <WaltzingAlong> se7en: in konsole, konqueror system:/         :D
[10:35] <se7en> hmmmmm ok
[10:35] <WaltzingAlong> se7en: otherwise the short answer is you do not
[10:36] <se7en> WaltzingAlong: :P
[10:36] <TrAndy> Kubuntu Gutzy freezes randomly and continuously after first on-line default update. Before update it works  OK indefinitively. Any solution?
[10:37] <WaltzingAlong> TrAndy: actual hardware issue? which kernel? which video module?
[10:38] <se7en> WaltzingAlong: i have smbmounted a xp share on /media/xp and would like to set a link from system;/ so /media/xp/
[10:40] <WaltzingAlong> se7en: to show up in system:/ ? that i do not know how to do.
[10:41] <TrAndy> Feisty (v7.04) worked fine for months. Gutsy is a fresh install, not an upgrade from v7.04. Kernel is the default 2.6.22-14. I've tested it with the precedent 2.6.20.xx from v.7.04 but it freezes anyway. No hw changes.
[10:41] <se7en> WaltzingAlong: thanks anyway
[10:43] <Harahu> one more minute.
[10:44] <WaltzingAlong> TrAndy: so the trick is to find out which module, which piece of hardware; check the logs for any relevant errors
[10:45] <Harahu> It is done. yeah
[10:46] <conatic> Hi all
[10:47] <TrAndy> WaltzingAlong:ok, I'll look at the logs. The strange thing is it works ok if no update is made. I don't see any module/kernel related updates in this updates.
[10:47] <WaltzingAlong> TrAndy: yes strange though not enough for me to know what is the cause or remedy;
[10:48] <Zombocom> help
[10:48] <Zombocom> I need to upgrade
[10:48] <WaltzingAlong> Zombocom: with?
[10:49] <TrAndy> WaltzingAlong:will turn back after examining the logs and the updates content. Thanks!
[10:49] <Zombocom> my system went to hell so I tried reinstalling linux but I only had the 7.04 cd
[10:49] <WaltzingAlong> TrAndy: thanks to you
[10:49] <Zombocom> I want to upgrade to 7.10
[10:49] <Zombocom> how do I do so
[10:49] <WaltzingAlong> Zombocom: from 7.04 to 7.10? follow the instructions at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[10:51] <Zombocom> thank you waltzing
[10:53] <Zombocom> how do I uninstall strigi?
[10:54] <MilitantPotato> Thanks again for the help guys
[10:58] <zhenya> hi
[10:58] <ToMaK> hi
[10:59] <zhenya> Кто здесь из России???
[10:59] <Tm_T> !ru | zhenya
[10:59] <ubotu> zhenya: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:03] <Harahu> So how do I run in as a live CD?
[11:03] <Harahu> (Are people in here speaking Russian?)
[11:05] <GuHHH> hey, about mail listing services... whats the most simple to configure, mailman or majordomo?
[11:15] <B4S3M> i got a problem ... when kubuntu boots it keep fillin this blue bar ... after filling it shows me the bar again and stop there
[11:17] <B4S3M> haaalllo
[11:17] <user_> americans sux
[11:17] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: remove 'splash' and 'quiet' in the grub list so you can see what is going on. otherwise try the recovery entry; how: restart, after bios grub will be presented. press esc to see the menu. find the entry you are using (likely first one in the list); press e for edit; arrow to the right of the line, then remove splash and quiet (if they exist); press enter; press b to boot
[11:17] <user_> americans suks
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[11:17] <user_> americans sux
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[11:17] <user_> americans sux
[11:17] <user_> americans sux
[11:18] <WaltzingAlong> !ops | user_
[11:18] <ubotu> user_: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[11:20] <Harahu> I cannot run Kubuntu, please help.
[11:23] <BenjaminD> I changed from flgrx to open source radeon and i seem to have more features in KDE (transparency etc). glrx tells me i am using SGI. But my 3d Open GL screen savers run very slow
[11:23] <BenjaminD> ?
[11:26] <B4S3M> WaltzingAlong .... how can i run the KDM again ?
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: what do you mean? where are you? sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart        ?
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: check the X log /var/log/Xorg.0.log for relevant data
[11:27] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: in konsole, glxinfo | grep -i direct                  yes or no?
[11:28] <kak[ZzZ]> ohayou gozaimasu
[11:29] <B4S3M> WaltzingAlong .... i need to run Kubuntu with interfacing not in command line
[11:29] <Harahu> What do I click on to run it as a live CD?
[11:29] <Harahu> Do I have to restart first?
[11:30] <WaltzingAlong> Harahu: just put the desktop/live cd in the drive, start the computer. should boot from the cd (if bios is set accordingly) then so forth
[11:30] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: yes but you were telling me that the loading process was not getting that far
[11:30] <Harahu> what is the file name?
[11:31] <WaltzingAlong> Harahu: the file name of what; what are you attempting to do?
[11:31] <BenjaminD> no
[11:31] <BenjaminD> no direct rendering?
[11:31] <WaltzingAlong> !pastebin | BenjaminD, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log contents here
[11:31] <Harahu> run iot as a live cd.
[11:31] <ubotu> BenjaminD, paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log contents here: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:32] <WaltzingAlong> Harahu: download the desktop cd image. burn the iso as a cd. restart the computer. if bios is set to attempt to boot from the cd, then the livecd should start.
[11:32] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: direct rendering is 3d accel in hardware
[11:33] <Harahu> I have no burner. (I am sorry I know little of computers.)
[11:33] <BenjaminD> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44715/
[11:34] <WaltzingAlong> Harahu: without a burner. ok then you should ask a friend to burn one for you or order a free one from shipit
[11:35] <Harahu> My parent have a burner.
[11:35] <Harahu> I shall do it on there computer.
[11:36] <Harahu> I was going to network to there computer and make backup any way.
[11:37] <Harahu> oh does a DVD have to be a "special" DVD to burn data to it?
[11:37] <Harahu> (other then writable that is)
[11:37] <WaltzingAlong> Harahu: the dvd version can be both 'run live' and installed without running live. it also contains more packages
[11:38] <B4S3M> WaltzingAlong .... i have now a command line ... hence the problem is with KDE .... how can i fix or even how can i know it ?
[11:39] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: it may be kde or it may be X, among other possibilities. check the X log first; less /var/log/Xorg.0.log          scroll looking for lines starting with (EE) which mark errors
[11:39] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: mind pasting the /etc/X11/xorg.conf as well
[11:40] <Harahu> No, I mean a DVD, not the DVD version of Kubuntu.I wanted burn Kubuntu to one DVD and all the data on my computer to another for a back-up.
[11:40] <BenjaminD> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44716/
[11:42] <B4S3M> WaltzingAlong ok 2 error .... failed to load module fglrx and No drivers available
[11:43] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: ok. sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh                         then in the list of drivers pick either          ATI             or              vesa
[11:43] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: the log shows that dri would be disabled; check http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44717/ to add the modules to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. you could do the same through sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[11:43] <Harahu> (I know my DVD answer now. sorry for asking.)
[11:45] <BenjaminD> which models am i adding sorry?
[11:46] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: the modules section, you could enable all, but mostly dri and glx
[11:46] <BenjaminD> section modules up top
[11:46] <BenjaminD> got it
[11:46] <BenjaminD> will try now
[11:47] <MidMark> I have a process that take 100%, but top doesn't show it, how can I do?
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[11:47]  * ActionParsnip waves
[11:47] <BenjaminD> restarting..
[11:49] <WaltzingAlong> MidMark: ksysguard or htop or ps aux | grep -i nameofapprunningat100percent
[11:50] <ljahdasd> WaltzingAlong ... it gives me warning .... overwriting  possiby-customised configuration file backup in /location....
[11:51] <MidMark> ksysguard is the same as top, doesn't show the process
[11:51] <JohnFlux> MidMark: in top, what does it say your load it?
[11:51] <JohnFlux> the top right 3 numbers
[11:52] <B4S3M> WaltzingAlong ... it gives me warning .... overwriting  possiby-customised configuration file backup in /location....
[11:52] <MidMark> jhutchins: sorry top shows it... say xorg 76%
[11:52] <JohnFlux> heh
[11:52] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: ok, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart           to restart kdm
[11:53] <MidMark> but the question is: the abnormal cpu started before evenb starts kdm
[11:53] <MidMark> at very beginning of the kernel loading
[11:53] <sirjoshimus> hi there, i just install the metapackage ubuntustudio-audio
[11:53] <MidMark> so why xorg?
[11:53] <sirjoshimus> but just to check it out
[11:53] <sirjoshimus> and now that i want it gone, it wont get rid of everything it installed
[11:53] <blenbb> is there a guide for notebooks how to activate powersaving stuff?
[11:53] <sirjoshimus> such as sudo apt-get remove ubuntustudio-audio
[11:53] <BenjaminD> WaltzingAlong got your prv-msg, still no direct rendering..
[11:54] <sirjoshimus> it leaves everything it installed, which is a plethora of odd packages
[11:54] <BenjaminD> WaltzingAlong: after adding modules to xorg, i lost transluceny... :S
[11:54] <contrast83> blenbb: "sudo apt-get install kpowersave" might be a good start... What exactly are you trying to do?
[11:54] <WaltzingAlong> sirjoshimus: perhaps through autoremove in apt-get
[11:54] <B4S3M> thx WaltzingAlong ... owe u :)
[11:55] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: how about the new log to pastebin
[11:55] <WaltzingAlong> B4S3M: which module did you pick? ati or vesa?              if you are on gutsy and want fglrx  you could install it through the restricted manager
[11:55] <BenjaminD> cmd again?
[11:56] <sirjoshimus> WaltzingAlong: it still leaves all the metapackage contents
[11:56] <sirjoshimus> its very annoying, its sloppy work
[11:56] <WaltzingAlong> sirjoshimus: i typically use aptitude
[11:56] <WaltzingAlong> !aptitude | sirjoshimus
[11:56] <sirjoshimus> WaltzingAlong: whats the difference?
[11:56] <ubotu> sirjoshimus: aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies (on Dapper and earlier, however, only aptitude keeps track of unused dependencies). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[11:56] <blenbb> contrast83: I would like to save battery :)
[11:57] <B4S3M> WaltzingAlong i didnt pick any ... :S lol
[11:57] <magicalmoose> Hey, I have a problem. I'm currently trying to install a game with a tar.gz extension.
[11:58] <magicalmoose> and i can't get past the ./configure part
[11:58] <MidMark> JohnFlux: shut down xorg doesn't help in fact
[11:58] <contrast83> blenbb: kpowersave :-)
[11:58] <MidMark> now 1% us, 2 sys
[11:58] <BenjaminD> WaltzingAlong: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44720/
[11:59] <MidMark> but fan and cpu are @ 100%
[11:59] <JohnFlux> MidMark: fun
[11:59] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: perhaps you need to set the AGPGART in according to the radeon page i have sent
[11:59] <JohnFlux> MidMark: reboot ? :-)
[11:59] <contrast83> That'll let you set up a custom profile for when you're running on battery.
[11:59]  * contrast83 loathes the kde-guidance-powermanager applet.
[12:00] <B4S3M> any idea how to have a Verilogger on kubuntu ?
[12:00] <MidMark> JohnFlux: yeah, but sometimes the problem reappears
[12:00] <blenbb> hmm my laptop has 1024 mb ram, but free shows only: 905216. Kubuntu has highmem support i hope!
[12:01] <WaltzingAlong> blenbb: is your video card using some of that?
[12:01] <contrast83> Doesn't the video card only use system memory if you specifically set it up that way in your xorg.conf?
[12:02] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD:  also in konsole, LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo                     then pastebin those results
[12:02] <BenjaminD> if i add Virtual, do i put "1026x768" in quotes or     1024 768   like instructions?
[12:02] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: i was thinking of the intergrated video interfaces that have no dedicated RAM but use only main system RAM
[12:03] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: like in the instructions
[12:03] <contrast83> WaltzingAlong: Right, that's what I'm referring to.
[12:03] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: and in that case i do not know if xorg.conf allows one to manage the system ram available to the video interface
[12:04] <contrast83> It does. :-)
[12:04] <contrast83> Under the Device section, you just put in a line like VideoRAM "65536"
[12:05] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: ok to minimize it but not possible to put it to 0
[12:05] <contrast83> I'm pretty sure it defaults to 0, i.e., if you don't have a line like that there.
[12:06] <JohnFlux> MidMark: kill the programs one by one until the cpu drops?
[12:06] <contrast83> On my old laptop that had an integrated Intel, I couldn't even play 640x480 videos until I put that line in, so I'm pretty sure it just wasn't using any system RAM.
[12:06] <JohnFlux> MidMark: then you can find out which is the program
[12:08] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: oh, i see, interesting
[12:08] <WaltzingAlong> thanks for the update
[12:08] <contrast83> np
[12:08] <contrast83> Does anyone here play Frets on Fire? It performs *horribly* on Gutsy for me, played fine in Feisty on the same machine. :-\
[12:09] <renzo> si
[12:11] <WaltzingAlong> videoRAM: This optional entry specifies the amount of video ram that is installed on the graphics board. This is measured in kBytes. In most cases this is not required because the Xorg server probes the graphics board to determine this quantity. The driver-specific documentation should indicate when it might be needed.        so seems in your case it may have been using some already just not enough?
[12:13] <contrast83> maybe
[12:13] <BenjaminD> WaltzingAlong: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44723/
[12:13] <BenjaminD> added GART
[12:13] <BenjaminD> and virtual desktop
[12:14] <BenjaminD> transparency still gone
[12:14] <BenjaminD> :S
[12:14] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: now that one shows direct rendering yes
[12:15] <BenjaminD> shit it did too
[12:15] <BenjaminD> just looking now
[12:15] <BenjaminD> what abou tlibGL warinigns?
[12:15] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: what was giving transparency before? system settings/window behavior/translucency?
[12:16] <BenjaminD> yeah
[12:16] <BenjaminD> my opengl screen savers work better now
[12:16] <BenjaminD> :)
[12:16] <BenjaminD> id really love to get a window manager similar to beryl/compiz
[12:17] <BenjaminD> but continue with kde
[12:18] <nick_> Hey everyone, I have a dual boot question.  I installed windows after linux and it overrode my boot loader.  So, went back in Linux and re-overrode the bootloader so now it boots into Linux, but I want to make it a dual boot machine.  I nanoed into menu.lst but I didn't see Windows on the list  What should I do?
[12:18] <WaltzingAlong> nick_: if your system still has ms windows recovery may be as easy as adding a few lines, a new entry, to menu.lst
[12:20] <nick_> WaltzingAlong: Ok, I have this information so far...or at least I thougth I was looking for this, "Title of operating syste (new line) rootnoverify (hd0,0) (new line) make active (new line) chainloader +1"
[12:20] <nick_> But I didn't know if I was supposed to add that or find it
[12:20] <WaltzingAlong> nick_: is windows sitting on hd0,0? sda1 or hda1 ? sure you could manually add to that file
[12:20] <BenjaminD> No diversion `any diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1', none removed
[12:22] <nick_> WaltzingAlong: I have forgotten the find command...where should I put that in to find that information?
[12:22] <WaltzingAlong> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:24] <nick_> It says I have 3 Ubuntu installations, generic, recovery and memtest+86
[12:24] <WaltzingAlong> !grub | nick_, may be helpful to start here
[12:24] <ubotu> nick_, may be helpful to start here: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:25] <BenjaminD> WaltzingAlong: that worked!
[12:25] <BenjaminD> WaltzingAlong: thank you very much
[12:25] <nick_> WaltzingAlong: all of them are are hd0,1
[12:25] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: cheers!
[12:26] <WaltzingAlong> nick_: check the grub manual, there is a section on booting to dos/windows         http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/DOS_002fWindows.html#DOS_002fWindows
[12:26] <nick_> WaltzingAlong: So there's this one other small problem, I can't display webpages in Linux, for some reason my isp will only display webpages on Windows...it's been a long find and I still don't have the answer
[12:26] <nick_> WaltzingAlong: That's why I installed Windows again
[12:26] <nick_> fight not find*
[12:28] <WaltzingAlong> nick_: interesting; so you need at least to know which drive and partition contains ms windows
[12:29] <nick_> WaltzingAlong: Ok, wait, I got it to load in conquerer...lucky, this was the page that I was working from earlier
[12:29] <WaltzingAlong> yeah first guess on that is misconfigured proxy settings, nick_
[12:30] <nick_> WaltzingAlong: That seems to be the best bet, my guess is a transparent proxy because sometimes it will work, and then without touching any other settings it will stop, and all other internet services work, and my roommate has a mac and the same problems, but all my flatmates have windows and no problems
[12:32] <nick_> WaltzingAlong: Ok, I'm not understanding what's going on, I'm typing gksu gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst and nothign is happening, it is just returning me to the prompt
[12:33] <WaltzingAlong> kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[12:33] <nick_> That did it
[12:34] <nick_> Same thing I was looking at when I nanoed into it, still no windows on the list
[12:34] <nick_> Can we use process of elimination to tell where Windows is?  or is there another way to find it?
[12:36] <WaltzingAlong> nick_: you need to add the entry for ms windows to the list. sure qtparted could show you details about the disks/partitions/filesystems
[12:38] <BenjaminD> WaltzingAlong: would i be silly to install xglserver now i have my ati drivers working fine?
[12:38] <nick_> WaltzingAlong: So, I just need to know what the number after hd is (like in the example on the webpage hd0,0) plug in the lines and reboot?
[12:38] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: :D now you have the opensource 3d drivers for some ati cards working ... if it were my system, i would keep that part as it is (skipping on xserver-xgl)
[12:39] <BenjaminD> i was thinking that
[12:39] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: but you could investigate how to get transparency/translucency back
[12:39] <BenjaminD> no no, my transparency is back
[12:39] <BenjaminD> and opengl works
[12:39] <WaltzingAlong> oh!
[12:39] <BenjaminD> everything is running sweet
[12:40] <nick_> Found it, "01 /dev/sda1 ntfs"
[12:40] <BenjaminD> i would like to get beryl/compiz though.. can i use with the setup i have now (AIGLX is it?) ?
[12:40] <BenjaminD> im happy not to
[12:40] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: aiglx currently, yes. try it out (compiz-fusion)
[12:40] <BenjaminD> thanks
[12:41] <BenjaminD> that will still install all the gnome files yes?
[12:41] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: yes
[12:41] <BenjaminD> i think ill pass
[12:42] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | BenjaminD, instructions here
[12:42] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: :D ok
[12:42] <BenjaminD> is there an alternative app?
[12:42] <BenjaminD> or is installing the gnome stuff not that bad?
[12:43] <WaltzingAlong> BenjaminD: try it out. install it through aptitude    (sudo aptitude install <package> ) so you can easily remove it should you wish
[12:43] <BenjaminD> thanks again
[12:45] <obiajf> hm
[12:46] <nick_> WaltzingAlong: So, I add those lines under the three ubuntu entries yes?
[12:46] <WaltzingAlong> nick_: yes
[12:46] <nick_> WaltzingAlong: Awesome, thank you so much for the help
[12:46] <WaltzingAlong> nick_: well we will see how well that works ;)
[12:47] <nick_> If I'm back in 15 minutes you'll know :)
[12:58] <MarcoPau> hello, where do I disable automount?
[13:02] <timri> WaltzingAlong: "<nick_> If I'm back in 15 minutes you'll know :)" uh oh.... :)
[13:09] <WaltzingAlong> timri: maybe he was rounding?
[13:09] <timri> WaltzingAlong: :)
[13:09] <WaltzingAlong> or made it back in 5 minutes so decided not to let me know
[13:13] <toshi1> updates packet
[13:19] <thylio> How can i get my soundcard working?  Kubuntu doesent seem to find it.
[13:20] <Oldtoker> Finally I seem to have gotten a good download of kubuntu..
[13:21] <Oldtoker> wow. took long enough :)
[13:21] <MidMark> thylio: which one?
[13:21] <WaltzingAlong> !sound | thylio
[13:21] <ubotu> thylio: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[13:24] <Oldtoker> !libdecss |Oldtoker
[13:24] <Oldtoker> hummm :(
[13:25] <ScorpKing> Oldtoker: !bla > you
[13:25] <Oldtoker> yea he didn't know anything about it
[13:25] <Oldtoker> :)
[13:25] <Oldtoker> !playingdvds |Oldtoker
[13:26] <ScorpKing> what do you want to know?
[13:26] <Oldtoker> doesn't seem to know anything about that either.
[13:26] <Oldtoker> just where to get libdecss for kubuntu
[13:26] <ScorpKing> codecs?
[13:27] <Oldtoker> the library that lets you watch commerical dvd's in linux..
[13:27] <Oldtoker> it de-scrambles the css protection scheme
[13:27] <ScorpKing> ah i see.
[13:27] <llutz> Oldtoker: libdvdcss2
[13:27] <WaltzingAlong> !info libdvdcss2
[13:27] <ubotu> Package libdvdcss2 does not exist in gutsy
[13:28] <thylio> WaltzingAlong: Have allready done that. When i try to play mp3 files in xmms, it states that maybe another program is blocking the sound card (or somthing like that
[13:28] <WaltzingAlong> !medibuntu | Oldtoker
[13:28] <ubotu> Oldtoker: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[13:28] <ScorpKing> Oldtoker: sudo aptitude search dvd | grep lib
[13:28] <thylio> andreas@laptop:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards            --- no soundcard ---
[13:29] <WaltzingAlong> thylio: and that may be the case. in konsole, aplay -l         shows your sound card?                 set kde to use alsa       system settings/sound system/hardware then select device alsa
[13:29] <Oldtoker> WaltzingAlong: thanks for the info
[13:29] <Oldtoker> :)
[13:29] <ScorpKing> Oldtoker: that will show you the available lib packages for dvd ;)
[13:29] <Oldtoker> as soon as I'm done installing here.. I will check it out ;)
[13:29] <WaltzingAlong> !pastebin | thylio, paste the results of        lspci          (or lsusb if the sound card is usb)
[13:29] <ubotu> thylio, paste the results of        lspci          (or lsusb if the sound card is usb): pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[13:30] <thylio> WaltzingAlong: alsa is selected.
[13:31] <WaltzingAlong> thylio: but if aplay -l       shows no cards, a module/driver supporting the soundcard has not been loaded
[13:32] <thylio> WaltzingAlong: Here is the paste http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44729/
[13:32] <WaltzingAlong> !intehda
[13:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about intehda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:32] <WaltzingAlong> !intelhda
[13:32] <ubotu> For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[13:33] <WaltzingAlong> !intelhda | thylio, follow this guide
[13:33] <ubotu> thylio, follow this guide: please see above
[13:33] <thylio> WaltzingAlong: As always, thanks for the help
[13:34] <WaltzingAlong> thylio: you probably could skip the part on building the latest alsa, instead skipping to setting the module parameters
[13:35] <thylio> WaltzingAlong: Okay;D
[13:36] <MidMark> thylio: install also linux-backports-modules package
[13:36] <MidMark> it's needed because has a newer driver for your soundcard
[13:36] <thylio> MidMark:  Will do:)
[13:37] <MidMark> then you just need to add the model in the file as explained in that link
[13:37] <MidMark> usually acer or toshiba should work
[13:38] <thylio> "cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec"   No sutch file or directory
[13:38] <MidMark> thylio: yeah first install the package I said, then reboot
[13:39] <MidMark> then do the other things
[13:39] <thylio> MidMark. Aah Okay;D
[13:39] <MidMark> your card now doesn't exist so the command is useless
[13:39] <MidMark> till you install properly drivers
[13:40] <thylio> MidMark: aah. I see
[13:45] <thylio> WaltzingAlong: Can  u give me the link for the guide again?
[13:46] <WaltzingAlong> !intelhda | thylio
[13:46] <ubotu> thylio: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[13:46] <thylio> thx
[13:47] <WaltzingAlong> thylio: cat /proc/asound/card0/co         then tab to see the rest; mine was cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0
[13:48]  * genii guzzles a coffee
[13:48] <WaltzingAlong> thylio: or with cat /proc/asound/card0/codec*/*
[13:48]  * WaltzingAlong has thus far skipped on the mocha for today
[13:49] <genii> :)
[13:49] <WaltzingAlong> genii: perhaps coming later!
[13:50] <genii> WaltzingAlong: Need hot beverages here today, it's begun to snow (lightly but it's still snow)
[13:50] <WaltzingAlong> genii: about 2 inches here i think; yeah a bit cold too ;
[13:51] <thylio> WaltzingAlong:
[13:51] <thylio> andreas@laptop:~$ sudo cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[13:51] <thylio> Codec: SigmaTel STAC9205
[13:51] <thylio> Codec: Conexant ID 2c06
[13:51] <genii> Hmm problemmatic Conexant stuff again
[13:52] <thylio> I can only find the Conexant codec in alsa doc
[13:52] <MidMark> thylio: really
[13:52] <MidMark> use acer or toshiba will work
[13:52] <MidMark> as model, I had the same problem with another notebook and same ich8 chip
[13:52] <MidMark> try it :)
[13:53] <thylio> MidMarc: Hmm. Where do i find the acer/tochiba models then?
[13:53] <MidMark> put options snd-hda-intel model=acer in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[13:53] <MidMark> if it doesn't work try with options snd-hda-intel model=toshiba
[13:54] <MidMark> understood?
[13:54] <thylio> MidMark: Yeah, i'll try it;D
[13:54] <MidMark> you need to reboot every time AFAIK
[13:55] <thylio> AFAIK?
[13:56] <MidMark> As Far As I Know
[13:56] <timri> MidMark: You mean: As Far As I Know IIRC :)
[13:56] <timri> thylio: "If I Recall Correctly"
[13:58]  * timri is surprised at the short compile time for konversation
[13:58] <thylio> thx ppl, got to  go to bed now, big party tonight :D
[14:01] <MidMark> thylio: at least say us if it have worked!
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :>)
[14:03] <ScorpKing> hi BluesKaj
[14:03] <WaltzingAlong> rebooting is not necessary but likely much easier than manually unloading then loading the modules
[14:04] <BluesKaj> hey ScorpKing ...gave up on svn and kde4 ...broken beyond repair ...unbelievable  considering how easily it actually installed
[14:05] <ScorpKing> hehe.
[14:05] <BluesKaj> definitely not ready for 64bit gutsy
[14:11] <Oldtoker> hi all
[14:11] <Oldtoker> I added this to my adept..
[14:11] <Oldtoker> but still can't seem to find the libdcss2
[14:11] <Oldtoker> sudo wget http://www.medibuntu.org/sources.list.d/gutsy.list -O /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[14:11] <sharkp> Hi
[14:11] <sharkp> I've to compile amarok
[14:12] <sharkp> but configure asked to me kde headers
[14:12] <sharkp> what shall I do?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Oldtoker, libdvdcss2
[14:13] <sharkp> anyone?
[14:13] <Oldtoker> BluesKaj, doesn't show up..
[14:13] <Oldtoker> and I do see the repositories for media sources. loaded... but something is wrong.. I keep geting messages about some packages failing.
[14:14] <Oldtoker> either due to bad download or it will break something.
[14:14] <sharkp> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[14:14] <sharkp> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[14:14] <sharkp> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[14:14] <sharkp> what means??
[14:14] <timri> sharkp: you need at least  kdebase-dev
[14:14] <sharkp> ok,I'll try
[14:15] <timri> sharkp: But simpler is to just install kde-devel
[14:15] <Oldtoker> is there a way I can make it purge it's repositories.. and redownload?
[14:15] <Oldtoker> In mandriva it's possible.. Sorry new Convert here :)
[14:15] <sharkp> timri, which are the differences?
[14:16] <timri> sharkp: That will also pull in the arts dev packages (often necessary)
[14:16] <WaltzingAlong> Oldtoker: first sudo aptitude update; then        sudo aptitude -f install              shows what?
[14:16] <sharkp> timri, now I'm trying with kdebase-dv
[14:16] <timri> sharkp: dev
[14:16] <timri> sharkp: not dv
[14:16] <Oldtoker> WaltzingAlong, working.....
[14:16] <sharkp> timri, yes yes
[14:16] <sharkp> I know...
[14:17] <timri> :)
[14:17] <BluesKaj> source-o-matic | Oldtoker
[14:17] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic | Oldtoker
[14:17] <ubotu> Oldtoker: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[14:17] <sharkp> timri, I want to use new libgpod 6.0
[14:17] <sharkp> i've installed it
[14:17] <sharkp> Have I to do anything with amarok?
[14:18] <timri> sharkp: sharkp: I have no idea what libgpod does, nor do I have amarok installed :)
[14:18] <WaltzingAlong> !ipod + sharkp
[14:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipod + sharkp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:18] <WaltzingAlong> !ipod | sharkp
[14:18] <ubotu> sharkp: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[14:18] <sharkp> oh, ok :)
[14:18] <sharkp> WaltzingAlong, is it updated?
[14:18] <sharkp> 'couse I've a 3rd gen Ipod
[14:18] <Oldtoker> WaltzingAlong,   ---> http://pastebin.com/d3bbd2f8a
[14:19] <WaltzingAlong> Oldtoker: adept aptitude apt-get dpkg and so on, only one can have an exclusive lock on the DB at one time; any of those others running? otherwise check !aptfix
[14:19] <WaltzingAlong> sharkp: do not know
[14:20] <timri> sharkp: Tip: if you feel more comfortable developing in a IDE (I do), try kdevelop. You can then import other peoples' projects.
[14:20] <Kis> Русские есть!?
[14:20] <Oldtoker> and the output from the other command you wanted me to run
[14:20] <Oldtoker> http://pastebin.com/m29d3ce7c
[14:20] <timri> !ru
[14:20] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[14:21] <Oldtoker> WaltzingAlong, ok now the error about the DB went away
[14:21] <WaltzingAlong> Oldtoker: sure need to do those commands when no other application is using the db; ok
[14:22] <Oldtoker> WaltzingAlong, new info for ya http://pastebin.com/m66180684
[14:23] <WaltzingAlong> Oldtoker: default is N but i usually pick Y or I unless i know i modified the file
[14:23] <Oldtoker> This is a completely new install
[14:23] <psychoholic> hello is any one getting weard errors with ap-get
[14:23] <Oldtoker> Just finished about 10 minsa go
[14:23] <WaltzingAlong> Oldtoker: give it a Y then
[14:23] <WaltzingAlong> psychoholic: which
[14:24] <psychoholic> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/psychoholic/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[14:24] <Oldtoker> WaltzingAlong, http://pastebin.com/m2b9daf13
[14:24] <psychoholic> sorry thats the dolfin one i'm getting
[14:24] <Oldtoker> so that will have fixed the errors I have now?
[14:24] <timri> psychoholic: let me guess, bookmarks.xml does not exist ?
[14:24] <psychoholic> yes
[14:25] <timri> psychoholic: another guess: You recently ran some GUI app with sudo?
[14:25] <psychoholic> but sp -get is geting one too
[14:25] <psychoholic> ummm yep
[14:25] <WaltzingAlong> Oldtoker: ok and now     sudo aptitude install libdvdcss2           , that is the package you wanted from medibuntu right
[14:25] <timri> psychoholic: Never EVER use sudo with a gui app. Use kdesu if you must :)
[14:25] <psychoholic> hmm how
[14:26] <timri> psychoholic: ...to solve it ?
[14:26] <jpatrick> timri, psychoholic: kdesudo ;)
[14:26] <psychoholic> well i'll google kdesu
[14:26] <ScorpKing> kdesudo <app>
[14:26] <timri> jpatrick: that's a link to kdesu isn't it?
[14:26] <psychoholic> ok
[14:26] <WaltzingAlong> psychoholic: so reset the permissions. in konsole, sudo chown psychoholic:psychoholic /home/psychoholic -R
[14:26]  * Oldtoker Bows humbly at the feet of the kubuntu master "WaltzingAlong"
[14:26] <Oldtoker> LOL
[14:26] <WaltzingAlong> Oldtoker: haha
[14:26] <timri> WaltzingAlong: Heh! It was my turn... grumble :)
[14:27]  * WaltzingAlong passes the torch to timri; ok ok how about teaching him to use sudo CLIapp but kdesu/kdesudo GUIapp ? ;)
[14:27] <psychoholic> now let me see what that ap get error is brb
[14:27] <timri> WaltzingAlong: That was NOT a good thing to suggest, though. Some files (even in ~) should remain root.root owned !
[14:28] <Oldtoker> WaltzingAlong, I just hope I don't become too much of a pest.. being's as I have PTSD and a few other slight problems.. mostly stemming from war.. I tend to get things slower than the average person.. so I'd like to take the opportunity to apologize in advance.
[14:28] <WaltzingAlong> timri: such as? . and .. ? :D
[14:28] <jpatrick> timri: yeah, but kdesudo should cause less confusion with new users
[14:28] <timri> WaltzingAlong: :)
[14:28] <Oldtoker> but thank you for all your help thus far.
[14:28] <WaltzingAlong> Oldtoker: for what? are there more questions to come! ah glad to help
[14:28] <ajmoulen> actually kdesu is linked to kdesudo on ubuntu not the other way around
[14:28] <timri> WaltzingAlong: I think adept wants to store some credentials stuff in ~ sometimes
[14:29] <ajmoulen> but the same still holds I guess
[14:29] <timri> ajmoulen: Thanks, I took the 50% change I guessed right :)
[14:29] <psychoholic> this is the other error
[14:29] <timri> ajmoulen: And failed...
[14:29] <psychoholic> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[14:29] <WaltzingAlong> psychoholic: in konsole, sudo aptitude -f install              shows what?
[14:29] <ajmoulen> timri: it is Friday at least here, so that is okay ;-)
[14:30] <psychoholic> every time i update and install new apps
[14:30] <timri> Tsk, tsk what will big blue say ...
[14:30] <psychoholic> Adept
[14:30] <psychoholic> any update or install
[14:30] <ajmoulen> timri: if that was too me, they would say get back to work you slouch
[14:31] <timri> psychoholic: Adept spits out that generic warning for any number of reasons. Close adept, and try to run sudo aptitude from a konsole window
[14:31] <timri> ajmoulen: :)
[14:31] <Oldtoker> OH!!! WaltzingAlong, I had a wierd message about my nvidia driver.. it was trying to do some stuff.. "Restricted Driver manager" or something along those lines.. was trying to do something while the system was updating.. so I don't know if this is using the nvidia driver.. any way I can re-run the restricted driver thingy again?
[14:32] <Oldtoker> and yes BTW thingy is a very technical term.. :)
[14:32] <NightBird> question... I have a fresh install of fesity kubuntu, but when I pull up the package manager and update the list, it claims that there is a new version available.  If I click on that button, it starts the version upgrade tool, but then it notices that I'm already running Feisty and closes.  How do I fix this?
[14:32] <timri> psychoholic: Start konsole with alt+2, then konsole
[14:32] <timri> psychoholic: ehh... make that alt+F2
[14:32] <psychoholic> well is did some thing
[14:32] <WaltzingAlong> Oldtoker: sure it is in kmenu/system settings/advanced/restricted drivers
[14:33] <NightBird> I've also tried an apt-get dist-upgrade, and that doesn't do anything
[14:33] <ubuntu> Please help me! I'm using kubuntu live cd, but the partitioner wont resize one partition, what should I do? The partition I want to resize is ntfs.
[14:33] <psychoholic> i'm in konsol
[14:33] <DaSkreech> timri: The big blue E ?
[14:33] <psychoholic> right now and i used the sudo command
[14:33] <timri> DaSkreech: No some former typewriter manufacturer ... :)
[14:33] <ajmoulen> HEY!
[14:33] <WaltzingAlong> NightBird: feisty is 7.04 and gutsy is 7.10, so yes there is a dist upgrade for feisty to gutsy
[14:33] <timri> psychoholic: ok, run sudo aptitude and tell me what it says
[14:33] <DaSkreech> timri: oh THE big blue
[14:33] <timri> ajmoulen: hehe :)
[14:34] <NightBird> WaltzingAlong: er... right, I'm running gutsy....
[14:34] <Oldtoker> under k menu / system... that's as far as I get.. the settings is missing?
[14:34] <DaSkreech> ajmoulen: You take offence to typewriters?
[14:34] <WaltzingAlong> timri: sudo aptitude will run the ncurses interface
[14:34] <psychoholic> bunch of stuff and this
[14:34] <Oldtoker> if that's possible
[14:34] <psychoholic>      D     : show the differences between the versions
[14:34] <psychoholic>       Z     : background this process to examine the situation
[14:34] <psychoholic>  The default action is to keep your current version.
[14:34] <psychoholic> *** qt_plugins_3.3rc (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ?
[14:34] <ubuntu> Please help me! I'm using kubuntu live cd, but the partitioner wont resize one partition, what should I do? The partition I want to resize is ntfs. Please help!
[14:34] <ajmoulen> ubuntu: you may need to consider another partitioning tool
[14:34] <psychoholic> what sould i type
[14:34] <psychoholic> n
[14:34] <WaltzingAlong> NightBird: that is a known issue. fixed within updates so you should grab the updates, upgrade to them
[14:34] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: try gparted
[14:34] <WaltzingAlong> psychoholic: Y or I
[14:34] <ubuntu> ajmoulen: I'll try the qtparted
[14:34] <timri> psychoholic: Ah, that one. Press Y
[14:34] <psychoholic> I will go I
[14:34] <ajmoulen> ubuntu: what error do you get?
[14:35] <ajmoulen> it is likely you have data at the end of the drive it can't move
[14:35] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, download and burn GParted Live CD partition editor. It's a bootable live cd which will edit your partitons and it's easy to use
[14:35] <ubuntu> no error, the resizing just stucks in 0%
[14:35] <NightBird> WaltzingAlong: what do you mean I should grab the updates?  is there a new cd I need to download or something?
[14:35]  * timri already harrassed ridell about that qt3 package thingy.
[14:35] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: can I burn it on dvd?
[14:35] <ajmoulen> ubuntu: I would suggest uing BluesKaj suggestion
[14:35] <ubuntu> but can I burn it on dvd? I'm out of cds
[14:36] <ajmoulen> DaSkreech: nothing against typewriters
[14:36] <BluesKaj> ubuntu, data dvd should work yes
[14:36] <WaltzingAlong> NightBird: no i just meant through adept manager, update sources list, install any upgrades; or from konsole, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[14:36] <psychoholic> ok umm does this install a few programs or just the one you said kdesu
[14:36] <ubuntu> okay
[14:36] <DaSkreech> ajmoulen: Ok Just checking on the Hey response :)
[14:36] <ubuntu> BluesKaj: I'll do that
[14:36] <BluesKaj> cool:)
[14:36] <psychoholic> it is done
[14:36] <DaSkreech> genii: Coffee?
[14:36] <ubuntu> gparted live cd
[14:36] <ubuntu> brb
[14:36] <timri> psychoholic: This does not install anything. This was just an update that got stuck some days ago.
[14:36] <psychoholic> ahhh i c
[14:37] <ajmoulen> DaSkreech: oh I still say hey about the comment that they are just former typewriter makers, but I guess it is true
[14:37] <Oldtoker> WaltzingAlong, NVM... I found it now..
[14:37] <timri> psychoholic: When aptitude has finished you should again be able to use adept if you want
[14:37] <Oldtoker> it's working.
[14:37] <Oldtoker> thanks again
[14:37] <psychoholic> cool so now i can use adept
[14:37] <WaltzingAlong> Oldtoker: sure thing!
[14:37] <DaSkreech> ajmoulen: My Mom has a IBM typewriter
[14:37] <psychoholic> cool thanks
[14:37]  * genii hands DaSkreech a large mug of coffee
[14:37] <ajmoulen> DaSkreech: cool
[14:37]  * timri Fell in love with the p75 (with plasma screen)
[14:37] <Oldtoker> Well it's time for bed for me.. I'm tired.. just got home from work..
[14:37]  * DaSkreech does his usual tricks to get himself to stomach coffee and takes a sip
[14:37] <Oldtoker> :)
[14:38] <psychoholic> i might just idle here awhile
[14:38] <Oldtoker> TTYL
[14:38] <genii> DaSkreech: :0
[14:38] <psychoholic> Thanks To Every One!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:38] <timri> psychoholic: you could also run "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" to update your system now :)
[14:39] <psychoholic> hmm ok i can do that....
[14:39] <NightBird> it still thinks there is a version upgrade available
[14:39] <cuco> hi, i need some help with compiz. for some reason my "cude" has only 2 sides and not "4"
[14:40] <psychoholic> do i need to do that often or will it work in adept?
[14:40] <timri> psychoholic: The updater from adept will do it automatically for you
[14:41] <ajmoulen> cuco: in the configuration window you need to add more desktops
[14:41] <psychoholic> well i ran that last one you sent me do i need to restart
[14:41] <timri> psychoholic: You see it after you logon: the green round thing next to the clock.
[14:41] <psychoholic> or just run adept
[14:41] <WaltzingAlong> Kubuntu Gutsy is not shipping with compiz-fusion installed (or enabled). It can still be installed though. Follow the instructions for gutsy at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion . for more, ask in #compiz-fusion & see http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/ | cuco, check the wiki for the CUBE how to - or in the compiz channel
[14:41] <cuco> ajmoulen: i did that. in general serrings.
[14:41] <timri> psychoholic: No need to restart, you're ready and done :)
[14:41] <psychoholic> sweet thanks
[14:41] <ajmoulen> cuco: so under the k menu, go to settings, then Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[14:42] <ajmoulen> then in General Options
[14:42] <cuco> ajmoulen: i am running that application.
[14:42] <ajmoulen> Desktop Size
[14:42] <cuco> ajmoulen: and I horizontal size to 2, vertical 2, and number of desktop 4
[14:42] <ajmoulen> Horizontal Size 4, Vertical Size 1, Number of Desktops 1
[14:42] <ajmoulen> will make a normal cube
[14:43] <ajmoulen> the way you have it now you need to go up not just over
[14:43] <ajmoulen> your cube is 2 sided
[14:43] <ajmoulen> but 2 high
[14:43] <timri> For those young ones that have never seen an IBM  p75 before: http://www.starekompy.pl/p70.html
[14:44] <ehird_> anyone know where kde stores its sessions? mine crashes when restoring it so i want to rm it
[14:44]  * timri will now move to #kubuntu-offtopic
[14:44] <TheGateKeeper> !irssi
[14:44] <ubotu> Irssi is a terminal based IRC client. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Irssi for help.
[14:44] <ehird_> :| it's pretty important.
[14:44] <ajmoulen> ehird_: you could just delete .kde all together
[14:44] <psychoholic> man i am glad i took the time to learn IRC it helps lots installing linux and such
[14:45] <cuco> ajmoulen: ok, thanks. i see what went wrong. but still, i try to setup 4/1/1 and when i close that that and enter back it gets 2/2/1
[14:45] <ajmoulen> ehird_: or just copy .kde out of the way then you can copy back your settings
[14:45] <ehird_> ajmoulen: yeah but i've already done that yesterday! i'm going to go in and disable the saving, but i want to keep my settings
[14:45] <ehird_> ajmoulen: so i'd rather know where in .kde it is
[14:45] <ScorpKing> there is also bitchx for cli irc
[14:45] <ajmoulen> ~/.kde/share/config/sessions
[14:46] <ehird_> thanks
[14:46] <ehird_> Just rm -rf that, right, ajmoulen?
[14:46] <ajmoulen> I think so
[14:46] <ehird_> OK. Thanks.
[14:47] <DaSkreech> or you know ... mv it incase bad thigns happen
[14:47]  * ScorpKing nods
[14:47] <jpatrick> DaSkreech: too late, mate!
[14:48] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: I know but .. for future refrence
[14:48] <ajmoulen> DaSkreech: for him bad things already happened, he can't log in
[14:48] <ScorpKing> i hope he does not have mail in kmail
[14:48] <jpatrick> ajmoulen: and now he may have trashed his ~ dir if he didn't know what he was doing
[14:48] <ajmoulen> session doesn't keep track of email
[14:48] <BluesKaj> oops , I looks like GParted requires cd media , K3B won't burn it to a dvd+rw
[14:48] <ajmoulen> that is in the kmail configuration
[14:48] <ScorpKing> oh ya.
[14:49] <ajmoulen> sessions only stores what applications were running when you shutdown, the location and size of those applications
[14:49] <ScorpKing> i thought he'd rm .kde/
[14:49] <ajmoulen> and if you are running kwin restores them to the appropriate location and size, under compiz just to the size
[14:50] <ajmoulen> ScorpKing: nope he asked which directory stored sessions, so I said ~/.kde/share/config/sessions
[14:50] <ScorpKing> i see now.
[14:50]  * ScorpKing hides..
[14:50] <WaltzingAlong> should be able to burn the cd iso to dvdr
[14:51] <ajmoulen> ScorpKing: same thing as I said to timri - It's Friday ;-)
[14:51]  * BluesKaj waits for ..."It didn't work!"
[14:51] <VSpike> !backup
[14:51] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[14:51] <timri> ScorpKing: it is the session directory (omit the s )
[14:51] <ScorpKing> true.
[14:51] <BluesKaj> WaltzingAlong, wellK3B wants a cd to burn it
[14:52] <ajmoulen> timri: my typing is horrible
[14:52] <ajmoulen> I definitely need to copy and paste
[14:52] <timri> ajmoulen: If he tries to remove that one, he'll still have his problem.
[14:52] <timri> he or she
[14:53] <ajmoulen> timri: you know it will be my fault
[14:53] <timri> ajmoulen: :)
[14:53] <DaSkreech> !cloning
[14:53] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[14:53] <DaSkreech> Sweet
[14:53] <TheGateKeeper> how do you tell irssi what nick you want to use?
[14:54] <Lynoure> TheGateKeeper: /nick newnicknamehere
[14:54] <ajmoulen> oh that is cool
[14:54] <Lynoure> TheGateKeeper: or permanently?  then type  /save  after that to save config
[14:54] <caoli> hello
[14:55] <caoli> any one can hear me?
[14:55] <Lynoure> caoli: yes.
[14:55] <WaltzingAlong> caoli: no but i can read what you have typed
[14:55] <caoli> haha
[14:55] <ehird_> whoever-it-was-that-helped-me-last-time
[14:55] <ehird_> didn't work.
[14:56] <ehird_> it still started 'em.
[14:56] <timri> ajmoulen: :)
[14:56] <ehird_> ah yes, ajmoulen.
[14:56] <ajmoulen> I know my fault
[14:56] <ajmoulen> did you fix my typo?
[14:56] <DaSkreech> !nick
[14:56] <ehird_> so, where exactly in system settings is the setting to disable it?
[14:56] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[14:56] <timri> ehird_: rm ~/.kde/share/config/session/*
[14:56] <ehird_> (or in ~/.kde/config)
[14:56] <ehird_> ajmoulen: yes, i did
[14:56] <timri> pfff
[14:56] <ehird_> ajmoulen: (fix your typo)
[14:56] <ajmoulen> it is ~/.kde/share/config/session not sessions
[14:56] <ehird_> yes
[14:56] <ehird_> i know
[14:56] <ehird_> i tab-completed it
[14:57] <ajmoulen> and you still couldn't log in?
[14:57] <ehird_> however it still did it, just the window positions/sizes weren't remembered
[14:57] <ajmoulen> did you get any errors?
[14:57] <ehird_> so, where in ~/.kde/config is the RestoreItAtStartupThing option?
[14:57] <timri> ehird_: system settings - settings manager 'always start with a new session'
[14:57] <ehird_> and no
[14:57] <ehird_> it just froze.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> is there a way to burn a cd image to a dvd+rw ?
[14:57] <ehird_> timri: that'd be good if i could get into system settings.
[14:57] <ajmoulen> ehird_: good question
[14:57] <timri> ehird_: rm ~/.kde/share/config/session/*
[14:57] <ehird_> i did that
[14:57] <ehird_> i already said that.
[14:58] <stdin> BluesKaj: yep, just do it like it's a dvd image (ie: select "burn DVD image")
[14:58] <timri> ehird_: sudo adduser newuser
[14:58] <TheGateKeeper> ok thanks Lynoure let me try that
[14:58] <uhlive> can someone help me with a bootsplash
[14:58] <ehird_> timri i am aware i could just remove my .kde however i do not wish to lose all of it
[14:58] <timri> ehird_: I understand, but using a new account will let you keep your old, while at the same time giving (perhaps) useful debug info
[14:59] <ehird_> timri; i've moved .kde to .kdeold
[14:59] <uhlive> anyone?
[14:59] <ehird_> so i'm in a 'green' kde right now
[14:59] <BluesKaj> cool stdin .... seems to be working :)
[14:59] <ScorpKing> uhlive: what is wrong with it?
[14:59] <ajmoulen> ksmserverrc
[15:00] <stdin> BluesKaj: I've had to do it a few times when I couldn't find a CD, so I know it works fine
[15:00] <ehird_> ajmoulen: how obvious
[15:00] <ehird_> :D
[15:00] <uhlive> scorpking well see my computer boots and then goes to the grub menu it says press esc to enter menu etc etc.. well then after that the computer screeen goes blank and i can't see anything until my login screen comes up..
[15:00] <ajmoulen> ehird_: of course it is ;-)
[15:01] <ajmoulen> ksmserver -> KDE Session Management Server
[15:01] <uhlive> scorpking i would at least like to see all the text and stuff
[15:01] <ScorpKing> uhlive: make the resolution lower in /etc/usplash.conf
[15:01] <ajmoulen> makes perfect sense ;-), of course that is if you can find the silly thing via a search
[15:01] <BluesKaj> right on stdin...looks like it worked
[15:01] <ScorpKing> uhlive: you don't have to reboot to test it
[15:02] <WaltzingAlong> uhlive: remove 'splash' from the boot menu entries; perhaps 'quiet' as well
[15:02] <uhlive> scorpking it is set to 1024 768.. shouldn't that be ok?
[15:02] <uhlive> waltzingalong what file would i edit?
[15:02] <ScorpKing> uhlive: press control+alt+f1 and login. run sudo usplash -c . to get back press control+alt+f7.
[15:03] <ScorpKing> uhlive: maybe 800x600 wil work.
[15:03] <uhlive> scorpking ok.. but should i set that conf file to 800 600
[15:03] <uhlive> ah ok.. hang on let me try taht
[15:03] <ScorpKing> yes
[15:04] <WaltzingAlong> uhlive: /boot/grub/menu.lst       find # defoptions=         then change it accordingly; save the file and update grub;  update-grub
[15:05] <uhlive> k i'm gonna try all that.. thanks guys
[15:05] <ScorpKing> uhlive: after all that go back to tty1 and see if there are any errors.
[15:05] <ScorpKing> uhlive: don't go
[15:05] <uhlive> tty1?
[15:05] <uhlive> i'm not leaving
[15:05] <ScorpKing> ok
[15:05] <ScorpKing> any errors?
[15:05] <uhlive> just giving thanks lol
[15:05] <boris> hh
[15:05] <ScorpKing> !usplash
[15:05] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[15:06] <uhlive> when i hit ctl alt f1 the screen changes but the text is HUGE i can't really read anything
[15:07] <ScorpKing> ah ok. WaltzingAlong's advice might help as well.
[15:07] <uhlive> k let me do that first
[15:07] <ScorpKing> i'll go look for the vga options
[15:08] <^kaminix> What's new in the Koffice update? :o It's not a new version is it?
[15:09] <uhlive> scorpking i think i found the problem with the huge text
[15:09] <ScorpKing> uhlive: ok. and? ;)
[15:09] <ehird__> YEARRRGHHH!!!!!
[15:09] <ehird__> I lost all my goddamn settings.
[15:09] <ehird__> For no reason.
[15:10] <ehird__> Stupid, STUPID KDE.
[15:10] <uhlive> gonna test it..
[15:10] <ajmoulen> by deleting the ksmserverrc?
[15:10] <ehird__> no.
[15:10] <ScorpKing> for the mv .kde .kdeold
[15:10] <ehird__> no.
[15:10] <ehird__> I fixed the ksmserverrc's session info,
[15:10] <uhlive> i think i can handle it from here.. i'll have to do some rebooting
[15:10] <ehird__> did a "mv .kde2 .kde"
[15:10] <ehird__> and then hard-rebooted so kde couldn't mess it up
[15:10] <ehird__> evidently, kde watches ~/.kde like a hawk and synchs it
[15:10] <ajmoulen> apparently kde doesn't love you today
[15:10] <ScorpKing> uhlive: http://wiki.arklinux.org/index.php/Changing_the_bootup_splash_screen
[15:10] <ajmoulen> ah yes
[15:10] <ehird__> now i'm wondering how i tell kde to start being a lazy ass
[15:11] <uhlive> thanks for all the help
[15:11] <ajmoulen> it loads a fair amount of information into memory
[15:11] <ScorpKing> uhlive: save that link.
[15:11] <ajmoulen> then writes it out on session close
[15:11] <ScorpKing> uhlive: you're welcome
[15:11] <ehird__> ajmoulen: yeah, but i pressed the reset button on my computer!
[15:11] <ehird__> how could it have a chance? it literally had its power cut
[15:11] <ajmoulen> well you don't, what you do is make sure you are not in an X session when you modify the kde files
[15:11] <ehird__> yeah
[15:11] <ehird__> well. :|
[15:11] <WaltzingAlong> ehird__: and the journaling filesystem restored to when?
[15:11] <ehird__> too late now
[15:11] <ehird__> all my settings: gone
[15:12] <ehird__> waltzingalong: it didn't, actually
[15:12] <ehird__> waltzingalong: fsck checked it and it was OK
[15:12] <ehird__> now, WHERE do I disable setting saving so I can stop this happening ever again
[15:12] <timri> ehird__: Perhaps Iam missing something, but where did the kde2 dir come from ? You didnt mention creating that one iirc
[15:12] <ajmoulen> what happens is that the files were open when you tried to copy under them, even though they looked right, you couldn't have changed them
[15:13] <ehird__> timri: I typo'd, when I said kdeold I really meant kde2.
[15:13] <ehird__> ajmoulen: I rm -rf'd .kde beforehand.
[15:13] <timri> ehird__: ok
[15:13] <ajmoulen> ehird__: if the file is open Linux will not really delete it
[15:13] <ajmoulen> it will just remove the reference you see
[15:13] <ehird__> ah, i see
[15:13] <timri> ehird__: So no "Stupid, STUPID KDE" :)
[15:13] <ehird__> Implementation details affecting outcome = fun fun fun
[15:13] <timri> ehird__: but I understand your frustration
[15:14] <Guest51592> !list
[15:14] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[15:14] <ajmoulen> what you do is you log out of kde and go to a terminal window to do this stuff
[15:14] <ehird__> timtri: indeed, settings spree time
[15:14] <ehird__> ajmoulen: yeah, but i was already in kde so i was lazy :P
[15:14] <timri> ehird__: :(
[15:14] <ajmoulen> ehird__: understood, but for future reference
[15:14] <ajmoulen> as to not saving the session there is a setting to either save the session or to allow you to save a session
[15:14] <ajmoulen> this will allow you to save a default good session and always start with that
[15:15] <Guest51592> !list
[15:15] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[15:16] <timri> Guest51592: Adding a factoid ?
[15:16] <ehird__> ajmoulen: No True Good Session fallacy: it does this every time I boot up. :)
[15:16] <ajmoulen> ehird__: no no, you have to save a session you know is good
[15:16] <ajmoulen> you know with like konsoles and other minor things
[15:16] <ehird__> ajmoulen: EVERY session does this, you see
[15:16] <ehird__> ajmoulen: even just a konsole
[15:16] <ajmoulen> umm...
[15:16] <ajmoulen> then something else is wrong
[15:17] <ajmoulen> but if you want it to not do it at all you can go into kde
[15:17] <ajmoulen> go to system settings for kde
[15:17] <ajmoulen> under advanced, Session Manager
[15:17] <ajmoulen> choose Start with an empty session under On Login
[15:18] <jasonago> why do kubuntu gutsy still do not know how to play vcd??? It can't detect VCDs! And I think Feisty is better than gutsy...Gutsy even corrupted my usb drive! Font installer is also having problems when I browse files inside the media:/ protocol but when I browse inside /media/ (which is the same), it works...
[15:19] <ajmoulen> jasonago: so how do you really feel about Gutsy?
[15:19] <WaltzingAlong> jasonago: which program had you used with feisty to play the media?
[15:19] <ajmoulen> jasonago: what application can't do VCD?
[15:20] <timri> jasonago: Well, I think it does. Try kvdr with the vcd plugin
[15:20] <jasonago> why do kubuntu gutsy still do not know how to play vcd??? It can't detect VCDs! And I think Feisty is better than gutsy...Gutsy even corrupted my usb drive! Font installer is also having problems when I browse files inside the media:/ protocol but when I browse inside /media/ (which is the same), it works...
[15:21] <VSpike> bah - keep sucks
[15:21] <timri> jasonago: I already answered that it DOES.
[15:21] <timri> VSpike: rdiff-backup
[15:21] <jasonago> kaffeine can't play vcd...it crashes since feisty and now with gutsy...
[15:21] <tung> i can't start kdeinit
[15:21] <WaltzingAlong> !codecs | jasonago
[15:21] <timri> jasonago: sudo aptitude install kvdr vdr-plugin-vcd
[15:21] <ubotu> jasonago: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:22] <ajmoulen> jasonago: are you using compiz?
[15:22] <WaltzingAlong> !info vdr-plugin-vcd
[15:22] <ubotu> vdr-plugin-vcd: VDR Plugin for playing (S)VCD's. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.7-31 (gutsy), package size 48 kB, installed size 160 kB
[15:22] <ajmoulen> with an ATI graphics card
[15:22] <tung> i use compiz-fusion
[15:22] <ajmoulen> compiz will cause xv to crash X
[15:22] <ajmoulen> if using XGL
[15:22] <jasonago> but there are reports since feisty of the same problem and I think there's really a problem...if kaffeine can't play, then there's a problem...
[15:23] <SpoZen> hi why does the manual come up when i try to mount an iso file?
[15:23] <SpoZen> sudo mkdir /media/iso
[15:23] <SpoZen> sudo mount -t iso9660 filename.iso /media/iso -o loop
[15:23] <SpoZen> ls -la /media/iso
[15:23] <timri> jasonago: If you wont at least try my suggestion, so be it. :)
[15:23] <tung> i install kde in ubuntu but can't start kdeinit
[15:24] <ajmoulen> tung: kdeinit?
[15:24] <ajmoulen> what is that supposed to do?
[15:24] <tung> to start kde
[15:24] <timri> ajmoulen: it is the process in KDE that start all the others
[15:24] <ScorpKing> !iso
[15:24] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[15:24] <timri> ajmoulen: it's a bit of a hack to improve performance
[15:24] <ajmoulen> timri: ah, too lazy to improve performance ;-)
[15:25] <SpoZen> thanks but isnt that the command i just showed ya?
[15:25] <ScorpKing> try is
[15:25] <ScorpKing> it*
[15:26] <timri> ajmoulen: No, those issues are beyond the control of KDE
[15:26] <tung> when I start KDE in Ubuntu, it says "Could not start kdeinit. Check your installation". What should I do?
[15:26] <ajmoulen> timri: no I am too lazy to improve performance on my machine, so i don't pay attention to these things
[15:27] <timri> tung: You installed the meta package "kubuntu-desktop" ?
[15:27] <ajmoulen> tung: did you install kde under ubuntu?
[15:27] <SpoZen> thanks
[15:27] <tung> Yes
[15:27] <ajmoulen> timri: looks like we are going to the same place
[15:27] <timri> ajmoulen: Ah, ok :)
[15:27] <timri> :)
[15:27] <ajmoulen> tung: so you installed kubuntu-desktop not just a pile of kde packages
[15:28] <ajmoulen> from a command line, try sudo apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[15:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> tung: are you trying to launch kde from inside gnome?
[15:29] <timri> ajmoulen: it is called safe-upgrade nowadays, "upgrade" is the new dist-upgrade I think
[15:29] <tung> I can use KDE app inside GNOME
[15:29] <jasonago> also just a little prob, when creating numbered list or bulleted list in OpenOffice.org writer, it has this "field color" that wasn't present in earlier versions...I can't turn it off even in the configuration...now it looks like the page numbers with "field color" around them....
[15:29] <ajmoulen> timri: why do they break things like this, whose smart idea was that?
[15:29] <tung> but I can't start KDE session under Ubuntu
[15:30]  * timri shares ajmoulens sentiment
[15:30] <ajmoulen> timri: I left gentoo for crap like that
[15:30] <ajmoulen> heck through the years, I have left several distributions for stuff like that ;-)
[15:31] <ScorpKing> tung: you have to start a kde session from gdm/kdm
[15:31] <timri> ajmoulen: Yeah, the disregard for backwards compatibility is astounding
[15:31] <ajmoulen> tung: so when you are at the gdm login page you change your session to kde and while it is trying to start you get an error ?
[15:31] <tung> I start KDE session from gdm
[15:31] <jasonago> konqueror is also not functioning even in feisty unless I disable the cache although it is still very very slow and unbearable...Firefox do function without any glitches...I'm using a linuxant driver (free) and a dialup
[15:32] <ScorpKing> jasonago: it is a problem with knetworkmanager
[15:32] <tung> yes, I can't start KDE session
[15:32] <ajmoulen> jasonago: are you trying to carry forward old configuation files?
[15:32] <timri> jasonago: Try posing your statements more like specific questions, we can help you better that way.
[15:32] <ajmoulen> tung: you may need to reinstall the kde packages, I have seen that happen on a bad install before but not otherwise
[15:33] <ScorpKing> jasonago: klose knetworkmanager and it will work. because you use dailup and only have ppp0 and not eth* it thinks there is no default route so a lot of kde apps have no internet.
[15:33] <ScorpKing> close*
[15:33] <ajmoulen> tung: also did you have an old .kde directory you tried to move forward?
[15:33] <tung> I have installed kubuntu-desktop
[15:34] <ajmoulen> tung: unfortunately just removing and reinstalling that will not remove kde
[15:34] <ajmoulen> try running a kde app from within a terminal in gnome
[15:34] <ajmoulen> then check if kdeinit is started
[15:34] <tung> I see. The only thing I should do is to reinstall KDE. Right
[15:35] <ajmoulen> it may give you some ideas, also you could try startkde from within gnome and see what shows up in the terminal
[15:35] <ajmoulen> well I think you may need to figure out what is causing the failure and there should be some error message
[15:35] <tung> I can't use sudo apt-get install to install kdeinit
[15:35] <ajmoulen> so running startkde from a gnome terminal may give you some information that we may be able to help you with
[15:36] <ajmoulen> kdeinit isn't a package by itself
[15:36] <ajmoulen> at least I don't think it is
[15:36] <ajmoulen> what happens when you try typing kdeinit from a gnome terminal?
[15:36] <kuta> how to updates kubuntu?
[15:37] <VSpike> timri: looks like keep uses rdiff-backup in the background
[15:37] <stdin> kuta: see the topic
[15:37] <tung> I start KDE from GNOME terminal and the same error happens
[15:37] <timri> VSpike: Oops, didnt know that.
[15:38] <VSpike> me either :)
[15:38] <ajmoulen> but is that the only error?
[15:38] <VSpike> timri: as a UI, it sucks however.. so that's useful info as I'll try to just script rdiff-backup directly instead
[15:38] <ajmoulen> tung: that was toward you sorry
[15:39] <snake> hello
[15:39] <tung> when I type kdeinit in terminal, it says:
[15:39] <VSpike> timri: If I use rdiff-backup to an ntfs partition I'll lose ownerships and permissions, right?
[15:39] <tung> kdeinit: Shutting down running client.
[15:39] <B4S3M> i want to setup  HP 1020 printer on kubuntu
[15:39] <tung> ---------------------------------
[15:39] <tung> It looks like dcopserver is already running. If you are sure
[15:39] <tung> that it is not already running, remove /home/tung/.DCOPserver_tung-desktop__1
[15:39] <tung> and start dcopserver again.
[15:39] <tung> ---------------------------------
[15:39] <tung> KDE Daemon (kded) already running.
[15:39] <tung> kbuildsycoca running...
[15:39] <tung> Reusing existing ksycoca
[15:39] <timri> VSpike: I have NO idee
[15:39] <stdin> !paste | tung
[15:39] <ubotu> tung: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:39] <snake> i have a problem. i opened a shell in kde but now everytime i restart the pc the shell reopens automatically. can anyone tell me how to remove it please ?
[15:39] <timri> VSpike: idea
[15:40] <timri> !pastebin | tung
[15:40] <VSpike> timri: heh thought you just lapsed into french for a moment
[15:40] <stdin> snake: exit the shell before you logout
[15:40] <snake> stdin: i tried
[15:40] <Nitz> guys
[15:40] <timri> VSpike: No, just icy hands
[15:40] <snake> i exit it anytime
[15:40] <snake> at the beggining
[15:40] <Nitz> kubuntu is very dificult for begining
[15:40] <ajmoulen> under the kde menu, do you have an option "save session"?
[15:40] <VSpike> timri: I can't see how it will preserve them ... tar could i guess but if it's just mirroring files it can't unless it tries to store all that stuff as metadata somewhere
[15:41] <Nitz> so how can i help to improve it and suggest bugs?
[15:41] <stdin> snake: manual way is system setting > advanced > session manager     set it to start an empty session
[15:41] <timri> VSpike: one sec
[15:41] <snake> stdin: thank you
[15:41] <snake> going to try now
[15:41] <timri> VSpike: ok, Iam back.
[15:42] <VSpike> timri: oh actually it does.. "rdiff-backup records file metadata in a separate file so that all information is preserved even if the destination file system is missing features."
[15:42] <timri> VSpike: Even if it preserves your permissions (I could think of some kludge using ACls for that) you will have problems with some filenames
[15:43] <downix_> I hate printer makers that supply Linux drivers that only work in 1 distro.....
[15:43] <timri> VSpike: I have some files with * ? etc in them
[15:43] <VSpike> yeah i need to reformat this external hdd to ext3 :)
[15:43] <B4S3M> how can i install  HP lasrjet 1020 printer ?
[15:43] <Downix> Does anyone know how to extract a printer driver out of an .rpm so that I can manually install it?
[15:44] <timri> Downix: rms ?
[15:44] <VSpike> Downix: alien?
[15:44] <VSpike> B4S3M: did you check the database at http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting
[15:44] <tung> ajmoulen: how can I set up knetworkmanager to run at startup
[15:44] <timri> VSpike: That's what I do.
[15:44] <Downix> don't know rms, and alien just tried to install it like a .deb, which doesn't add it to the driver list for cups.
[15:45] <timri> Downix: ignore me pls.
[15:45] <ajmoulen> tung: wouldn't it make sense to first get kde to start before worrying about knetworkmanager?
[15:45] <mdos> hello all
[15:45] <Downix> timri:  but you're so nice and helpful!  8)
[15:45] <timri> Downix: :)
[15:45] <tung> ajmoulen: because i can use KDE app inside Ubuntu
[15:45] <Downix> My thought was, could I un-archive the rpm to get at the driver file underneath, and install it through the "have driver" button of cups?
[15:46] <VSpike> tung: put a link into ~/.kde/Autostart
[15:46] <ajmoulen> tung: use gnome's network manager rather than kde's
[15:46] <ajmoulen> it is more complete anyway
[15:47] <VSpike> B4S3M: http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1020
[15:47] <kuta> hi, after fectching updates in adept Manager, how to update my kubuntu to the latest patches?
[15:47] <ajmoulen> tung: if you haven't invested a lot into your system already, backup your home directory and reinstall kubuntu
[15:47] <ajmoulen> kuta: did you just fetch them? rather than install?
[15:47] <tung> ajmoulen: I think wicd is better than gnome network manager, but when I install kubuntu-desktop it force me to uninstall wicd
[15:48] <kuta> ajmoulen: fetch updates
[15:48] <timri> VSpike: To elaborate: my external backup drive also has a pristine kubuntu dapper install on it (separate partition), so that in case of disaster I can boot from it.
[15:48] <ajmoulen> kuta: on the bottom of the screen it should have install option
[15:48] <VSpike> timri: good idea
[15:48] <mdos> I have a little prb with amarok and wikipedia fr
[15:49] <mdos> If I use the fr locale the progress bar loops
[15:49] <mdos> and no info appears
[15:49] <mdos> it's work with other ( en , es ... )
[15:50] <mdos> somebody has already see that ?
[15:51] <ajmoulen> mdos: did you try in kubuntu.fr ?
[15:51] <timri> !fr
[15:51] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[15:51] <ajmoulen> err -fr, I always get that wrong
[15:51] <ajmoulen> I think I need to stop helping ;-)
[15:52] <mdos> everybody sleeping on kubuntu-fr :)
[15:52] <timri> mdos: Ask _4strO, he/she is from (around) strasbourg
[15:52] <mdos> oki
[15:53] <_4strO> mdos: exact
[15:53] <mdos> it's strange because it worked before
[15:54] <timri> mdos: You have to repeat your problem: _4strO just joined the channel, so he couldn't have heard you :)
[15:54] <_4strO> right !
[15:54] <mdos> I have a little prb with amarok and wikipedia fr
[15:54] <mdos> If I use the fr locale the progress bar loops and no infos appears
[15:54] <ajmoulen> timri: I picture you with a google map with the names of people pinned to it ;-)
[15:55] <VSpike> hehe
[15:55] <VSpike> and a white cat
[15:55] <mdos> can you test it 4strO ?
[15:55] <VSpike> wow, writing to usb hard drive is cpu intensive :/
[15:55] <NetersLandreau> how would one get kate's fish to work with a knock firewall?
[15:56] <mdos> I use amarok ver 1.4.5
[15:56] <timri> ajmoulen: Nope, I see the join/leave messages in konversation. Like me, _4strO is a wandoo/orange client, and they  include the some geographical info in the reverse dnsname (or whatever it is called ;))
[15:56] <mdos> someone can try to change the locale to fr and say me if the problem occurs ?
[15:57] <_4strO> mdos: i'm under 1.4.7
[15:57] <_4strO> but i will try
[15:57] <mdos> ok thx
[15:57] <mdos> I want to know if the problem come from me or if it's more general
[15:58] <timri> NetersLandreau: good question... :) I have no clue
[15:59] <timri> NetersLandreau: I doubt the fish kioslave supports knocking, though
[15:59] <_4strO> mdos: you speak fr ?
[15:59] <mdos> yes :)
[15:59] <NetersLandreau> thx timri
[16:02]  * timri if going. Bye everyone.
[16:11] <rafet> hello
[16:11] <rafet> how to install flash plugins?
[16:13] <raul> hla
[16:13] <raul> hola
[16:13] <raul> una cosa
[16:13] <raul> saveis cual es el programa
[16:13] <raul> de texto
[16:13] <raul> para kubuntu
[16:13] <raul> uno como el bloq de notas
[16:13] <raul> como el de window
[16:13] <raul> para pdoer modificar archivos php
[16:13] <raul> y demas
[16:14] <_4strO> !es
[16:14] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[16:15] <ajmoulen> rafet: install flashplugin-nonfree
[16:15] <_4strO> rafet: where do you want trhe plugin ...
[16:17] <rafet> adobe flash player 9
[16:17] <rafet> how to install kubuntu 7.10
[16:17] <Jucato> rafet: install "flashplugin-nonfree"
[16:19] <rafet> alt +f2 and run this command?
[16:19] <Jucato> rafet: no
[16:19] <rafet> help me please i am new on linux
[16:19] <Jucato> Go to K Menu -> Add/Remove Programs
[16:20] <rafet> yes
[16:20] <Jucato> then search for Flash there. mark the checkbox, and click on Apply Changes
[16:21] <rafet> i find
[16:21] <ajmoulen> it will be under the other category on the left
[16:22] <invite_> ubuntu
[16:22] <invite_> kubuntu
[16:22] <invite_> +++
[16:23] <rafet> thanks
[16:23] <invite_> you're welcome
[16:23] <rafet> now adept batch bussy for ubdate
[16:23] <rafet> when finished this time try it
[16:25] <rafet> #girne
[16:27] <invite_> KDE is cool
[16:28] <invite_> but MAc is cooler
[16:28] <Jucato> hmm
[16:28] <invite_> ==> KDE sucks
[16:28] <hydrogen> thats logical.
[16:28] <hydrogen> nothing like a MAc
[16:28] <invite_> compared to mac
[16:28] <Jucato> invite_: please stay on topic
[16:28] <Roey> KMac
[16:28] <invite_> ok guys
[16:28] <hydrogen> what he said.
[16:29] <invite_> don't want to get kicked
[16:29] <hydrogen> thens tay on topi
[16:29] <hydrogen> c
[16:29] <invite_> :)
[16:29] <invite_> just wanted to stimulate some of yours
[16:29] <invite_> and the best way to do that
[16:29] <Daisuke-Ido> is to troll?
[16:29] <invite_> is to attack kubuntu :)
[16:29] <Daisuke-Ido> like i said
[16:30] <Jucato> yes, you have successfully stimulated my kicking scripts
[16:30] <invite_> lol
[16:30] <hydrogen> ooh
[16:30] <hydrogen> you have aroused jucato
[16:30] <hydrogen> thats never good
[16:31] <invite_> So should I prepare myself to get Into The launchpad?
[16:31] <invite_> whixh by the way is awfull also
[16:31] <invite_> Im ready
[16:31] <invite_> now
[16:32] <Daisuke-Ido> invite_: you're not exactly inviting goodwill right now.
[16:33] <invite_> Nothing ...
[16:33] <hydrogen> so invite_... do you actually have a problem or are you looking for one
[16:33] <invite_> a little bit bored
[16:33] <invite_> since i have installed kubuntu
[16:33] <invite_> no more problems with my Pc
[16:34] <invite_> so the only thing that i have to do
[16:34] <invite_> is making problems
[16:34] <invite_> ...
[16:34] <invite_> Kubuntu made my life look like hell
[16:35] <invite_> no more joy
[16:35]  * hydrogen doesn't see this continueing for much longer
[16:35] <hydrogen> stay on topic, or leave
[16:36] <jhutchins> hydrogen: It's not like he's drowning out essential conversations.
[16:36] <hydrogen> jhutchins: that doesn't excuse it
[16:36] <hydrogen> the topic is the topic reguardless of what else is occuring
[16:37] <Jucato> rules are rules...
[16:37] <invite_> understood
[16:37] <Jucato> jhutchins: I've heard that argument a hundred times, and I can refute it a hundred times as well :)
[16:38] <jhutchins> Yes, but doing so is off topic.
[16:38] <hydrogen> what is it about people that feel the need to sound smart and in doing so only make themselves sound less intelligent..
[16:39] <invite_> So maybe that i can find a problem finally
[16:39] <invite_> It's not really a big problem
[16:40] <invite_> but when i launch a module
[16:40] <kristjan_> can someone confirm that adept no longer adapts the user's KDE style, colors and fonts?
[16:40] <invite_> Configuration module of KDE
[16:40] <invite_> like for example system services
[16:40] <Jucato> kristjan_: it should, unless you changed the users's theme
[16:41] <invite_> or monitor
[16:41] <invite_> & dispmlay
[16:41] <kristjan_> Jucato: something happened after recent update - adept no longer integrates into my desktop, uses kubuntu's default look
[16:41] <Jucato> kristjan_: apps that run as root (with sudo/kdesu) use a separate theme (the root user's theme). but it's configured to use the same default theme as the default users
[16:42] <invite_> the windows is always too small and the Administrator mode button along with the Cancel and ok
[16:42] <invite_> ones are always hidden
[16:43] <invite_> How can i change this behavior
[16:44] <invite_> even if I maxmize the windows then close them
[16:44] <invite_> the next time i open them they remain as described
[16:44] <kristjan_> Jucato: I think this is related to "libqt3-mt" - after the update there was an error and I had to "sudo dpkg --configure -a" http://hashbin.com/1627e.html
[16:45] <Jucato> kristjan_: I think I answerd Y (install package manager's version)
[16:45] <invite_> This is only happenig with Kde control Modules windows
[16:45] <kristjan_> Jucato: I answered N (default)
[16:46] <kristjan_> Jucato: can I rerun it and answer Y (to see if this caused adept strange behaviour)
[16:46] <kristjan_> invite_: run "kcontrol" - this version won't resize strangely
[16:46] <Jucato> kristjan_: I don't think so. but perhaps it works now. it might have not finished installing
[16:47] <invite_> So is this a common problem
[16:47] <invite_> ?
[16:48] <invite_> already listed in launchpad or kde bug tracking system...
[16:50] <kristjan_> invite_: not sure I understood your problem - do you mean this kind of resize? http://i14.tinypic.com/8bsem86.png
[16:52] <Thylio90> How do i accses my ntfs extern hdd?
[16:55] <nick_> I'm having major issues with Adept Updater. It won't update, sayin that there are broken packages.
[16:55] <invite_> I mean that kind of reseize : http://i17.tinypic.com/86sgc53.png
[16:55] <nick_> can anyone suggest anything?
[16:56] <nick_> I've tried
[16:56] <nick_> sudo dpkg --clear-avail
[16:56] <nick_> sudo apt-get update
[16:56] <nick_> but it doesn't work
[16:57] <kristjan_> nick_: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:57] <adam_> has anyone managed to or knows how to get the new creative zen player working under amarok?
[16:57] <kristjan_> invite_: heh, that looks broken, what style is it? qtcurve?
[16:57] <invite_> yes Qtcurve
[16:57] <kristjan_> invite_: does it happen with e.g. plastik or polyester style?
[16:57] <Thylio90> need some help. i cant mount my ntfs usb hdd
[16:58] <invite_> It's worst with plastik
[16:58] <invite_> the button are totally hidden
[16:58] <kristjan_> invite_: never happened to me, you should definitely file a bug report
[16:59] <jhutchins> adam_: There's an amarok specific channel, but be nice, the devs there are good people: #amarok
[16:59] <adam_> has anyone managed to or knows how to get the new creative zen player working under amarok?
[16:59] <adam_> oops ignore that >.>
[17:00] <invite_> Another thing that is strange is the power saving. If I enable it , keep using the computer and then
[17:00] <invite_> it's not working anymore
[17:01] <invite_> the screen doesn't turn black
[17:01] <kristjan_> invite_: define "not working"
[17:01] <invite_> iWhen i check the Power saving option i find it desactivated
[17:01] <invite_> The check box is not checked anymore
[17:02] <invite_> and the power saving by the way
[17:02] <kristjan_> invite_: really strange - works here
[17:02] <invite_> it's randomly happening
[17:02] <invite_> somtimes it last a day
[17:02] <invite_> sometimes 2
[17:03] <invite_> sometimes not even a hour
[17:03] <invite_> Last day i was doing a projection at school
[17:03] <kristjan_> invite_: can you post the output of "xset -q" in hashbin.com?
[17:03] <invite_> it was a movie i have disabled it
[17:03] <invite_> but the screen turned black after about 2 minutes
[17:04] <invite_> I have checked the power saving option and found it uncked
[17:04] <invite_> unchecked
[17:05] <invite_> when i switched to my gnome session
[17:05] <invite_> it worked fine
[17:05] <invite_> it was really disappointing
[17:06] <invite_> DPMS (Energy Star):  Standby: 60    Suspend: 60    Off: 60  DPMS is Enabled  Monitor is On
[17:07] <TheGateKeeper> ok on irssi I did /nick newnickname then did /save then restarted irssi and it restarted with the original user name, so how do I fix this?
[17:07] <jhutchins> invite_: Sometimes the settings in your BIOS will override the settings in Linux.
[17:08] <invite_> but it was working perfectly
[17:08] <invite_> with feisty
[17:08] <jhutchins> TheGateKeeper: Dunno, I run Konversation.  I suspect there's a manual, and probably a support channel where you can be told to read it.
[17:08] <invite_> and dapper
[17:08] <invite_> this issue happened when i upgraded to gusty
[17:08] <Jucato> TheGateKeeper: ~/.irssi/config file
[17:09] <xultz> Hello guys. I have a original DVD and I wanto to make a backup copy, but K3B says that he could not get the CSS keys and failed to break the DVD protection. Is there anything I can do to make that copy?
[17:09] <Thylio90> when i try to mount my extern hdd i get "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"  !?
[17:10] <invite_> and i think it will be hard to track as it is happening "randomly" even if I know that ther is certainly some reason
[17:11] <yan> hello all, problem : i have kubuntu (gutsy) and the language is set to canada (french), i have some document (actually .java) on a usb key and there is many é,è,à in the comments there, but they appear in kate and netbeans as ?(kate)  or square (netbeans), both r in utf8 and i tryed to change to every encoding in kate but this is not helping. thanks
[17:11] <timri> Thylio90: Page 4 and 5 on: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=473511
[17:13] <Thylio90> timri: thx
[17:13] <TheGateKeeper> thanks Jucato :)
[17:13] <timri> xultz: dd if=/dev/hdc of=mybackupcopy.iso
[17:14] <xultz> thank you timri, I will try it
[17:15] <timri> xultz: Note: you may need to use sudo, and your cdrom/dvd could be on another device than /dev/hdc
[17:16] <i00nsu_> this kubuntu is dificult to understand that slackware 3.0 jesus... joke ... why i cant make any software installation? every time I try ... ERROR :/ something wrong with the srver?
[17:17] <timri> i00nsu_: We need the exact error, please.
[17:17] <yan> hello all, problem : i have kubuntu (gutsy) and the language is set to canada (french), i have some document (actually .java) on a usb key and there is many é,è,à in the comments there, but they appear in kate and netbeans as ?(kate)  or square (netbeans), both r in utf8 and i tryed to change to every encoding in kate but this is not helping. thanks
[17:17] <i00nsu_> timi .. I will try to translate
[17:18] <BluesKaj> i00nsu_, http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[17:18] <i00nsu_> Amarok can't read mp3 :o
[17:19] <yan> you need a plug in
[17:19] <yan> didnt amarok asked you to download one?
[17:19] <BluesKaj> i00nsu_, sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[17:19] <invite_> i00nsu_:you have to install the proper codecs first
[17:19] <timri> yan: May be a problem with the mount. Please post the output of: cat /etc/mtab | grep media
[17:20] <i00nsu_> yan eyes .. but give me and error
[17:20] <yan> output : /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096 0 0
[17:20] <hydrogen> timri: eww
[17:20] <hydrogen> grep media /etc/mtab
[17:20] <hydrogen> much nicer!
[17:20] <timri> i00nsu_: sudo aptitude libxine1-ffmpeg
[17:21] <timri> hydrogen: It's a matter of taste. I like the consistency of the pipe'd one.
[17:21] <BluesKaj> sudo aptitude install libxine1-ffmpeg
[17:21] <hydrogen> timri: consistancy? whats consistant about using two commands over one
[17:21] <timri> BluesKaj: I SO pown you :)
[17:22] <hydrogen> with the exception of overcomplicating it..
[17:22] <timri> hydrogen: I can use the same syntax with data not from a file, eg ps aux | grep yada
[17:22] <yan> timri : /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,noatime,allow_other,default_permissions,blksize=4096 0 0
[17:22] <hydrogen> timri: right, thats because ps aux isn't a file
[17:22] <BluesKaj> timri, ??
[17:23] <hydrogen> you can grep stdout or you can grep a file
[17:23] <timri> hydrogen: Well duh :)
[17:23] <hydrogen> it makes more sense to grep the file
[17:23] <hydrogen> then to put the file in stdout and grep that
[17:23] <timri> BluesKaj: I typed the exact same thing some seconds before you
[17:23] <timri> yan: Ah, there's a utf missing!
[17:23] <BluesKaj> err, you forgot "install"
[17:23] <timri> hydrogen: Whatever.
[17:23] <timri> BluesKaj: *blush*
[17:24] <BluesKaj> ppl copy and paste :)
[17:24] <yan> how i add it?
[17:24] <timri> BluesKaj: copy and paste from where :)
[17:24] <BluesKaj> from the channel text
[17:25] <BluesKaj> at least i do :)
[17:25] <timri> Anyone can help yan with the correction of his automount? It's not using utf and I have to go NOW!
[17:25] <timri> yan: sorry, something just came up :(
[17:25] <yan> automount + utf on gogole will dop it :)
[17:25] <yan> thanx
[17:33] <excitatory> alrigh, so i have a radeon 9600 with dual heads (VGA & DVI).  I want to add a second monitor to the dvi port and have a spanning or extra wide desktop.  someone told me not to use xinerama anymore and to look into randr 1.2.  i've searched around and everything i find is a bit confusing.. is there a coherent guide for setting this up?
[17:39] <i00nsu_> excitatory: i have an 9600 but never put it on, alot of errors and my secound monitor never works...
[17:40] <i00nsu_> be sure u have an non-old monitor :)
[17:41] <yan> i have 2 monitor , but i have a nvidia , and i use them with xinerama..
[17:41] <yan> but its configured by my official nvidia driver..
[17:42] <i00nsu_> well is not ati
[17:42] <i00nsu_> lots of ppl says well good about nvidia cards
[17:43] <yan> i heard ati didnt have good linux support... *im not an official source*
[17:44] <i00nsu_> well maby you right .. cause the installation drive present itself as an wrong drive
[17:45] <i00nsu_> for other distros work but is instable
[17:47] <i00nsu_> maby in two three years linux will be more compatible for win games an so on
[17:48] <i00nsu_> alien-arena have good playig hehe
[17:48] <Downix> i00nsu_: The irony is that Linux with Cedega can get more games running than Windows Vista can.
[17:48] <Downix> in my experience
[17:48] <Downix> admittedly, they're majority older games
[17:49] <i00nsu_> Cedega?
[17:49] <i00nsu_> hmmm never did heard about
[17:49] <yan> i think its a non free wine like app
[17:49] <Downix> It's a port of Wine with heavy focus on DirectX games.  $5 a month
[17:49] <i00nsu_> non free?
[17:49] <Downix> worth the $15 I've paid for it.
[17:49] <i00nsu_> :/
[17:49] <Downix> It can be free if you compile it yourself from the CVS tree
[17:49] <alunos> How are you?
[17:50] <emilsedgh> aah, that should be merged be wine :(
[17:50] <i00nsu_> $5 for month ?
[17:50] <i00nsu_> boas juninho
[17:50] <Downix> right, pre-pay for 3 months.
[17:50] <Downix> I pay for 3 months once a year to keep up to date and thats about it
[17:50] <i00nsu_> there is no way to pay for life tiime? :)
[17:51] <lordofthepigs> Hello! I'm trying to mount an ISO with "sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 myiso.iso /media/iso", but for some reason I can't get it to work
[17:51] <Downix> Wine runs quite a few, but they're not as fast to update specific game crashes.
[17:51] <i00nsu_> well but u can run lineage2 for exemple?
[17:52] <yan> google lineage2 + cedega.. i think ull find something
[17:52] <yan> i never used wine or cedega to play game since i only play on xbox360 :P
[17:52] <i00nsu_> yes, wine crash with most software
[17:52] <i00nsu_> lol yanb
[17:52] <lordofthepigs> the iso mounts fine with deamon tools on windows
[17:53] <yan> lord, i don't think anyone here is skilled enought to help you :(
[17:53] <lordofthepigs> dmesg has the following message "Unable to identify CD-ROM format"
[17:53] <yan> im new to linux so i can't.. sry
[17:55] <Downix> I run City of Heroes on Cedega.  It runs under Wine, but less stable
[17:55] <i00nsu_> but some software everyone can run with wine .. i have tryd Fruity Loops 7.0 and just a few samples wouldn't installed .. but is ok..
[17:56] <i00nsu_> hmmm.. good references... now I will google it
[17:56] <Downix> lordofthepigs: What format is the disk in?
[17:57] <lordofthepigs> well, iso9660, I suppose
[17:57] <lordofthepigs> how can I find out for sure?
[17:57] <Downix> hex view the file?
[17:58] <lordofthepigs> er... and how is that going to tell me which format it is in?
[17:58] <lordofthepigs> I read somewhere to use the file command
[17:58] <lordofthepigs> and it returns myiso.iso: data
[18:00] <Downix> well, if you know what the different file format headers are, you'll know that way
[18:03] <jim88> can someone point me in the right direction concerning getting floppies to read ... getting an error when I click on the desktop icon ... The desktop entry file /home/me/Desktop/Floppy Device is of type FSDevice but has no DEV=... entry
[18:06] <mallize> can anyone help me w/ gutsy?  i upgraded today and i can't get a windows decorator to work w/ compiz
[18:06] <mallize> .. i used to have beryl
[18:07] <clemenml> can anyone help me w/ gutsy?  i upgraded today and i can't get a windows decorator to work w/ compiz
[18:09] <mkz> I'd like to buy a USB bluetooth transceiver.  Can anyone recommend a good source to identify a product that is linux-compatible?
[18:10] <mkz> wow... never seen this channel so dead.
[18:10] <genii> dlink worked for me... I think model is blt122 or so
[18:11] <mkz> dlink?  ok, thanks
[18:12] <genii> dbt-122
[18:12] <jim88> can someone point me in the right direction concerning getting floppies to read ... getting an error when I click on the desktop icon ... The desktop entry file /home/me/Desktop/Floppy Device is of type FSDevice but has no DEV=... entry
[18:12] <genii> (had to go check :)  )
[18:14] <pablo__> hi
[18:14] <jim88> hi
[18:17] <ajmoulen> jim88: don't know the last time I had a floppy drive on a computer, but does the floppy drive show up in the kde devices list?
[18:19] <Xeross> Hey
[18:19] <Xeross> i need help with grub
[18:19] <Xeross> i installed fresh
[18:19] <jim88> ajmoulen under what list
[18:19] <Xeross> grub points to correct hdd and partition
[18:19] <Xeross> but cannot mount it
[18:19] <ajmoulen> kde system settings, advanced, disks or something like that
[18:20] <Gerrit> Hello. How do I tell my wireless card (Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG) to use 802.11b (11 mbit) rather than 802.11g (54 mbit)? If we change the mode in the router, I can no longer connect, but if we change it back, I can. Do I configure it with iwconfig or something like that?
[18:20] <ajmoulen> I think floppy drives should appear there
[18:20] <jim88> what's the command line entry lol
[18:20] <grim_reaper2001> is there a way in irssi to get different people to show up in different colours?
[18:20] <ajmoulen> jim88: under the kde menu, system settings, no idea what the command line is for it
[18:21] <jim88> one sec
[18:21] <Gerrit> I am using the ipw2200 network driver.
[18:21] <ajmoulen> Gerrit: if your router is set to B you should automatically connect to it without changing anything
[18:22] <ajmoulen> Gerrit: you shouldn't need to tell the system you want B rather than G unless you router continues to advertise G when it refuses to negotiate G
[18:22] <lordofthepigs> how can I find out the FS type of an iso?
[18:22] <lordofthepigs> well, a CD image, since I'm not sure it actually is an iso9660 image
[18:22] <jim88> ajmoulen I dont see it but have mounted it and it the light comes on but cannot access it ... I did check and have permission
[18:23] <ajmoulen> check under /media
[18:23] <ajmoulen> you may find the mounted folder there
[18:23] <jim88> it's listed as fd0
[18:23] <Gerrit> ajmoulen: If it's set to B, it won't connect. If it's set to G, it will.
[18:24] <ajmoulen> Gerrit: let me ask the obvious question, why would you force your router to B?
[18:24] <seezer> lordofthepigs: try `file /path/to/fiilename`
[18:24] <Gerrit> ajmoulen: Because 10 other wireless routers are using G in a range of 20m.
[18:24] <Gerrit> or perhaps a range of 40m
[18:24] <ajmoulen> jim88: not sure I understand the problem
[18:24] <Gerrit> ajmoulen: There is a lot of interference when we use G
[18:24] <jim88> I cannot access the contents of the floppy
[18:24] <ajmoulen> B and G use the same frequency
[18:25] <lordofthepigs> Ah, I just found it using a windows tool...
[18:25] <ajmoulen> A is what you would want if you want to use a different frequency
[18:25] <Gerrit> My neighbours claim that the internet works better with B.
[18:25] <lordofthepigs> it seems the filesystem type is Joliet
[18:25] <ajmoulen> they may just have a devices that is better at dropping crosstalk
[18:25] <Gerrit> Is it possible that we have less packet loss with B than with G?
[18:25] <lordofthepigs> so how can I mount that? mount -t joliet?
[18:26] <seezer> lordofthepigs: iso9660 should work if joilet support is in the kernel
[18:26] <ajmoulen> Gerrit: not sure
[18:26] <lordofthepigs> seezer: and is it by default?
[18:26] <ajmoulen> Gerrit: you could try manually setting the channel to something other than 11
[18:26] <lordofthepigs> I don't remember installing that explicitely
[18:27] <seezer> yes should be
[18:27] <lordofthepigs> seezer: Well for some reason, it still doesnt want to mount
[18:27] <nagyv> Hello! How can I find out if my ethernet card is wrong or just the config/modules/sw? I've a Compaq Presario 700 with a built-in ehternet card, according to lspci it's a Realtek 8139. But still I have no net over it
[18:27] <seezer> perhaps its a "freak" format of alcohol120% or whatever products exist out there
[18:28] <Gerrit> ajmoulen: ok
[18:28] <lordofthepigs>  sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 myiso.iso /media/iso doesn't work
[18:28] <lordofthepigs> this yields an "Unable to identify CD-ROM format" in the syslog
[18:29] <ajmoulen> Gerrit: the only thing that may make sense is that G is a little more sensitive then B, but once you connect it shouldn't matter anymore
[18:29] <ajmoulen> lordofthepigs: are you sure the image is good?
[18:29] <Gerrit> ajmoulen: Then perhaps my neighbours are mistaken.
[18:29] <lordofthepigs> ajmoulen: It mounts in windows with poweriso
[18:29] <Gerrit> I will discuss it with them.
[18:30] <ajmoulen> lordofthepigs: are you trying to mount a file off a fat32 partition or something like that in Linux?
[18:30] <lordofthepigs> nope, it's on a ext3 partition
[18:30] <kingmanto> ho un problema con hard disc esterno
[18:30] <jim88> ajmoulen:I cannot access the contents of the floppy
[18:30] <ajmoulen> did you try just mount -o loop myiso.iso /media/iso
[18:31] <ajmoulen> jim88: from /media/fd0 or from that KDE link?
[18:31] <lordofthepigs> [13:28] <lordofthepigs> sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 myiso.iso /media/iso doesn't work
[18:31] <kingmanto> lo vedo ma non riesco ad aprire accesso negato
[18:31] <jim88> ajmoulen: from the KDE link
[18:31] <ajmoulen> lordofthepigs: notice the lack of -t iso9660
[18:31] <lordofthepigs> ajmoulen: If I don't use the -t iso9660 option, I get an "you need to specify the filesystem type" error
[18:31] <ajmoulen> lordofthepigs: it isn't recognizing the file type
[18:32] <jim88> ajmoulen:  media/fd0 does exist
[18:32] <ajmoulen> lordofthepigs: I mount iso files all the time, and never put a -t iso9660
[18:32] <lordofthepigs> ajmoulen: any idea what I can do?
[18:32] <ajmoulen> well if it works in windows burn it to CD would be my best suggestion
[18:33] <ajmoulen> jim88: if it is just the KDE link, then I would suggest just going direct to that directory from dolphin or whatever app you choose and forget the icon
[18:33] <lordofthepigs> bah, I'm trying to extract an ISO from my mounted image :)
[18:33] <lordofthepigs> we'll see what I get to with that...
[18:34] <jim88> ajmoulen:  I understand but there is nothing there and I know there is something on the disk
[18:36] <ajmoulen> jim88: from the command prompt when you do ls /media/fd0 you get nothing?
[18:36] <jim88> ajmoulen:  yes
[18:37] <ajmoulen> then you don't really have it mounted
[18:37] <lordofthepigs> ajmoulen: heh, it seems that my extracting the mounted image into another iso worked properly
[18:38] <jim88> ajmoulen:  I did mount -a
[18:38] <jim88> ajmoulen:  and got no errors
[18:38] <ajmoulen> type mount (do not paste it all here) do you see something specifically mounted to /media/fd0?
[18:39] <jim88> ajmoulen:  ok it gave me an error mddosfs
[18:41] <jim88> ajmoulen:  I changed fstab to auto and it gave no errors
[18:42] <jim88> ajmoulen:  now it works
[18:44] <jim88> ajmoulen:  thank you
[18:45] <ajmoulen> jim88: if anything I did was helpful you are welcome, sounds like you solved it on your own
[18:46] <chx> hi. Kopete can't connect to MSN. amsn can. I was able to connect to ICQ/AOL. Do not know whether it's related but this often (not always) happens after hybernation, ktorrent also seems to have problems. i did a /etc/init.d/networking restart.  is there any KDE specific networking service i need to restart? I run Gutsy.
[18:51] <patricio> what could be the reason, why knetworkmanager suddenly stops looking for active interfaces? seems like hotplug is down
[18:52] <patricio> but when I restart, nothing changes: No w-lan accesspoints show up, and if i plug in the ethernet cable, there is no automatic dhclient'ing
[18:52] <patricio> I can only go for manual network configuration in knetworkmanager
[18:53] <patricio> this all started when I first killed knetworkmanager and set ifconfig eth0 192.168.123.111 just because I only needed point to point there for accessing a newly bought router (so no dhcp there)
[18:55] <patricio> actually I think, this is knetworkmanager, clicking on "manual configure" doesn't let pop up any window ... :I
[18:55] <patricio> kNetworkManager 0.2
[18:58] <jim88> ajmoulen:  no, you helped ... just thankful you guys are here
[18:58] <patricio> knetworkmanager seems blind, it doesn't even detect, that I'm in here (ethernet, dhcp)
[18:58] <patricio> help :)
[19:00] <patricio> what input do you need, to better help me?
[19:04] <dthacker-work> patricio, why not use System-->Settings?
[19:04] <pacman> is there any particular reason why Kubuntu keeps freezing on me?
[19:05] <dthacker-work> pacman: you will need to provide more information than that.
[19:05] <pacman> it does it especially after I've been trying to add stuff in Adept
[19:06] <pacman> it'll just freeze, and I'll have to restart
[19:06] <patricio> ....... hmpf
[19:07] <dthacker-work> pacman: not sure, I am also having a
[19:07] <dthacker-work> Adept issues
[19:08] <yan> pacman, if u use aptitude is it freezing?
[19:08] <yan> or do you use the adept_manager? (GUI)
[19:08] <pacman> you mean sudo apt-get?
[19:09] <yan> there sudo apt-get and sudo aptitude
[19:09] <pacman> I use both....been using adept since I'm just setting up my new HD
[19:09] <yan> does sudo apt-get freeze kde?
[19:09] <pacman> no, it doesn't
[19:09] <yan> so only the gui does right?
[19:10] <pacman> yeah
[19:10] <yan> well i have some issu with the adept_manager (gui) 2.. so i started to use sudo apt-get
[19:10] <yan> i look in adept_manager for the package i want
[19:10] <yan> then download/install them trought apt-get
[19:11] <yan> if u absolutely need a GUI to do that then type in console sudo apt-get install synaptic
[19:11] <pacman> I guess I'll start doing that
[19:11] <yan> when it's installed, type synaptic
[19:11] <yan> its another package manager
[19:11] <pacman> synaptic is the Gnome version of adept, right?
[19:12] <yan> ewww i just started to use linux so i cant tell u
[19:12] <ardchoille> pacman: yes, but a lot of folks think synaptic is much better
[19:12] <pacman> I've never tried it, though my g/f has ubuntu on her box
[19:12] <yan> you could try it
[19:13] <ardchoille> pacman: I hate GTK apps, but I use synaptic when I need a gui for package management.
[19:13] <pacman> opening it now
[19:13] <ardchoille> Kinda says a lot
[19:14] <ardchoille> pacman: Synaptic?
[19:14] <pacman> yes
[19:14] <ardchoille> pacman: I'd like to make one suggestion wrt synaptic
[19:15] <pacman> okay
[19:15] <ardchoille> When it opens, click on Settings > Preferences and make sure the option "Show package properties in the main window" is checked.
[19:15] <ardchoille> That will get you a nice "package explanation" in the main window
[19:19] <yeniklasorr> Who got worked Ati radeon x1600 successfully? I have problems with beryl and tv capture card. Can you help me?
[19:22] <dthacker-work> I think I found the offending packages.  libsmclient, samba-common, and smbclient refuse to update via adept.  Everything else is applied.
[19:28] <pacman> okay, now I'm having an audio issue
[19:30] <pacman> hmm...vlc issue...works fine in mplayer
[19:30] <_Angelus_> use amarok ;p
[19:32] <ubuntu> Please help me :D I'm on kubuntu 7.10 live cd at the partitioning phase, I chose manual. How can I set the swap space?
[19:33] <_Angelus_> ubuntu simple
[19:33] <ubuntu> How?
[19:33] <_Angelus_> create a partition double the size of you're ram and choose to use as swap
[19:33] <_Angelus_> :)
[19:33] <ubuntu> allright
[19:33] <ubuntu> 2048
[19:33] <_Angelus_> yeah
[19:33] <ubuntu> but how do I choose it as swap?
[19:33] <_Angelus_> and select to use as swap
[19:34] <ubuntu> how to select?
[19:34] <ubuntu> there comes some box
[19:34] <_Angelus_> from were you select the size
[19:34] <ubuntu> ok
[19:34] <_Angelus_> yeah
[19:34] <_Angelus_> you have an option in that box
[19:34] <ubuntu> do I write "swap" in it or?
[19:34] <_Angelus_> use as:
[19:34] <_Angelus_> no
[19:34] <ubuntu> ok
[19:34] <_Angelus_> it's a drop down box
[19:34] <ubuntu> umm
[19:34] <ubuntu> ext3?
[19:34] <_Angelus_> you can select the filesystem type
[19:34] <_Angelus_> no
[19:34] <_Angelus_> swap
[19:34] <_Angelus_> not ext3
[19:34] <ubuntu> oooooooohhhkdjglkdjgldkfgj
[19:34] <ubuntu> lol :D
[19:34] <_Angelus_> you have a choice called swap
[19:34] <ubuntu> thanks alot!
[19:34] <_Angelus_> hehe
[19:34] <_Angelus_> xD
[19:34] <ubuntu> understood :D
[19:35] <_Angelus_> then make a partition and use it as /
[19:35] <ubuntu> I made the ext3 and / now
[19:35] <ubuntu> then swap
[19:35] <_Angelus_> i recommand making another to partitions, one as /boot and the other as /home
[19:35] <_Angelus_> *two
[19:35] <ubuntu> Well I'll make: windows, media, swap and a kubuntu
[19:35] <_Angelus_> oh
[19:36] <The_Machine> i have an xvid i'm trying to watch with Kaffeine and the video is all weird
[19:36] <_Angelus_> why would you do media on a separate partition?
[19:36] <ubuntu> well when windows crashes, then I can reinstall it without problems
[19:36] <ubuntu> by media I mean videos etc
[19:36] <The_Machine> i'm not sure how to troubleshoot it w/ linux
[19:36] <_Angelus_> oh
[19:36] <The_Machine> it's obviously a codec problem
[19:36] <The_Machine> but i've played other divx files on here just fine.
[19:37] <_Angelus_> ubuntu then why don't you make /home as a separate partition and save you're media in you're /home/user so if you format youre computer you won't loose you're programs settings and you won;t loose you're media :)
[19:37] <ubuntu> ummm
[19:37] <ubuntu> then I cant read it from windows
[19:38] <ubuntu> well I just want to make partition for media, isn't it ok? :P
[19:38] <ubuntu> "no root file system is defined"
[19:38] <ubuntu> how do I define it?
[19:38] <The_Machine> you have to basiclaly put it somewhere
[19:38] <The_Machine> how about /
[19:39] <The_Machine> it can't be blank
[19:39] <ubuntu> it worked! :D ty
[19:39] <ubuntu> yea
[19:39] <ubuntu> figured it out
[19:39] <The_Machine> :)
[19:39] <jamesarthur> hi, anybody get cryptsetup luksformat to work? i can't..........     :(
[19:39] <The_Machine> but wait
[19:39] <The_Machine> before you do that
[19:39] <The_Machine> i don't know if you want to do what you're doing
[19:39] <The_Machine> i know what you want to do
[19:39] <The_Machine> shared 'media' space
[19:39] <The_Machine> between both operating systems
[19:39] <ubuntu> I already did
[19:39] <ubuntu> yea
[19:39] <_Angelus_> ubuntu you must choose a partition with mount point /
[19:39] <The_Machine> but why are you putting it at root?  (/)
[19:39] <ubuntu> yeye
[19:40] <The_Machine> nm
[19:40] <The_Machine> you're high or something.
[19:40] <ubuntu> The_Machine: I haven't created the media partition yet
[19:40] <The_Machine> oh, then you're just installing it
[19:40] <ubuntu> I'm trying to create it afterwards
[19:40] <ubuntu> yea
[19:40] <The_Machine> and then you'll make your media partition later
[19:40] <The_Machine> okay :)
[19:40] <The_Machine> heh
[19:40] <ubuntu> thanks for trying to help! :)
[19:40] <The_Machine> thanks fine then :)
[19:40] <The_Machine> lol
[19:40] <ubuntu> I appreciate it
[19:40] <ubuntu> Formatting
[19:40] <_Angelus_> ubuntu listen , create swap , create the root file system and use it as / , then creat the media partition and mount it at /media/data for example and choose ntfs as partition for it ;0
[19:40] <ubuntu> i love the live cd <3 irc and formatting in a same window!
[19:41] <The_Machine> :)
[19:41] <The_Machine> yeah, tha'ts awesome
[19:41] <ubuntu> _Angelus_: I'll create the media afterwards
[19:41] <_Angelus_> well you can create it afterwards too
[19:41] <_Angelus_> just leave enough space
[19:41] <sfire_> ubuntu type /nick and you can get a nickname also :)
[19:42] <Eicca> oh ty :D
[19:42] <_Angelus_> btw ubuntu i would recomand installing windows first, and instaling kubuntu after, because windows re-writes the boot manager so you will have to boot into the livecd again and re-install grub after installing windows
[19:42] <Eicca> _Angelus_: thats what I've done
[19:42] <_Angelus_> oh
[19:42] <_Angelus_> ok
[19:42] <_Angelus_> :p
[19:42] <Eicca> :)
[19:43] <Eicca> I'm just trying to figure out how to create media partition, put the media from windows partition to media partition, and then resize the windows partition
[19:43] <Eicca> seems like a hard task, since partition magic 8 wasn't able to do it :/
[19:43] <BluDog_Anchorite> any idea why i am getting a 403-forbidden when trying to run updates today ?
[19:44] <BluDog_Anchorite> all the updates for samba today for dapper are getting 403'ed
[19:44] <Eicca> this Konversation seems like cool :P
[19:44] <Eicca> and the whole kde
[19:44] <jamesarthur> Sysinfo for 'jamespc': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMDAthlon64X2DualCore5200+ at 1000 MHz (2005 bogomips), , RAM: 527/1772MB, 138 proc's, 25.41min up
[19:45] <Eicca> Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: Intel(R)Core2CPU6300@1.86GHz at 1600 MHz (3726 bogomips), , RAM: 997/1010MB, 134 proc's, 3.53h up
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> wow... thats a low freq X2... how old it is
[19:45] <Eicca> pwnt joo :D
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> umm how did you get that?
[19:45] <Eicca> I wrote /sysinfo
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> i'll pwn everyone..
[19:46] <Eicca> :P
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> Sysinfo for 'geebee': Linux 2.6.22-14-generic running KDE 3.5.8, CPU: AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-50 at 800 MHz (1601 bogomips), HD: 38/84GB, RAM: 868/877MB, 127 proc's, 2.17h up
[19:46] <BluDog_Anchorite> failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/smbfs_3.0.22-1ubuntu3.4_i386.deb  403 Forbidden
[19:47] <Rukus> my xorg process is running twice
[19:47]  * freqmod_nx too
[19:47] <Rukus> is there a reason
[19:47] <nosrednaekim> BluDog_Anchorite: try switching mirrors
[19:47] <Eicca> omg "Installing system: 82%"!
[19:47] <BluDog_Anchorite> nosrednaekim: while I appreciate the suggestion, I could have done that on my own.  I am asking why, or if anyone else is having a similar issue with that mirror
[19:47] <Rukus> i have two xorg processes.  why?
[19:48] <sfire_> BluDog_Anchorite: yes.. same here... but you probably already knew that
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> BluDog_Anchorite: for some general info on 403 errors ...http://www.checkupdown.com/status/E403.html
[19:50] <ardchoille> BluDog_Anchorite: I just did "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" and didn't get any errors.
[19:50] <BluDog_Anchorite> ok, well I just didn't want to have to re-do mirror lists on all my servers
[19:50] <BluDog_Anchorite> i'll try that
[19:50] <BluDog_Anchorite> brb
[19:50] <nosrednaekim> BluDog_Anchorite: you should run a local apt mirror if you have more than two or three computers.
[19:51] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: Any tutorial on that? I have 11 computers in my home
[19:51] <sfire_> in your home :o
[19:51] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: yeah.. just a sec
[19:51] <sfire_> o.O
[19:52] <nosrednaekim> sfire_: 13 here:D
[19:52] <sfire_> here I thought I was a nerd
[19:52] <ardchoille> lol
[19:52] <nosrednaekim> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.howtoforge.com%2Flocal_debian_ubuntu_mirror%3Ftopic%3D306349&ei=4PQ9R6qICoeSpwTMy_TACg&usg=AFQjCNHVE8_eg7akGtAO1KPhSuXxWjgQpA&sig2=62yPc8DUdOldCrb85x1yLg
[19:52] <sfire_> nothing compared to you guys... I only have 4.. and I consider that to be a few too many
[19:52] <nosrednaekim> pardon the google redirect ;)
[19:52] <sfire_> I could easily virualize a few
[19:52] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: ty
[19:57] <jeroenvrp> samba
[19:58]  * BluesKaj wonders if ardchoille has 8 siblings :)
[19:58] <jeroenvrp> on the windows-site people must fill in username/password, but samba is set to anonymous; what can be wrong!?
[19:59] <jeroenvrp> on commandline at localhost works
[19:59] <jeroenvrp> firewall is open
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: I have 4 if that makes the abundance any better :D
[20:00]  * BluesKaj feels deprived , we only have 2 :)
[20:01] <BluesKaj> did have 3 , but donated one to the seniors dropin center
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> lol
[20:01] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: No, 11 coputers.. controlling various aspects of the house functions :)
[20:02]  * genii gets ardchoille a complete X10 home automation system for his birthday
[20:02] <ardchoille> genii: That's what we already use :)
[20:02] <ardchoille> Not many people know about those
[20:02] <ardchoille> Perl scripts ftw
[20:03] <BluesKaj> beleiev it or not there was an old about 75 , who immediately loaded debian sarge on it ..an old electronics guy , who used to have a repair business and had been into computers since around 1975 or so
[20:03] <genii> heh
[20:04] <genii> BluesKaj: Those old electronics guys know stuff. scary stuff like how to get your ham radio working inside a Faraday cage, etc
[20:04] <ardchoille> lol
[20:04] <BluesKaj> hehe yeah , genii :)
[20:05] <Eicca> hello
[20:05] <nosrednaekim> hello
[20:05] <Eicca> succesfully installed <3
[20:05] <BluesKaj> computers running house functions ardchoille ...sounds like avery hi tech house
[20:05] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: kubuntu?
[20:05] <Eicca> Kopete just wont work
[20:05] <Eicca> yea
[20:05] <Eicca> 7.10 :)
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: whats wrong with it..
[20:06] <Eicca> damn those "debian" texts
[20:06] <Eicca> looks like lesbian
[20:07] <BluesKaj> genii, lotsa old houses were faraday cages , plaster lath with the embedded chicken wire in the walls...try running wireless in one of those :)
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: its possible
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: slow though :D
[20:08] <Eicca> nosrednaekim: http://i.servut.us/i/kopete_error.png
[20:08] <BluesKaj> wired works for me , cat5 thru the snake channels I built under the floors for other media , years ago
[20:09] <Eicca> even the screenshot taking is made so easy in kubuntu ^
[20:09] <Eicca> ^^
[20:09] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: yeah, but my dad doesn't like drilling hole everywhere for13 cimputers :D
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: that doens't really help, what were you trying to do with kopete?
[20:10] <BluesKaj> we fished lines
[20:11] <zblach> hey all
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> hey zblach
[20:11] <zblach> anyone have samba working as a gobetween with ubuntu and vmware?
[20:11] <Eicca> nosrednaekim: while connecting to msn
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: ah... run allof your system updates.
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> *all of
[20:12] <Eicca> nosrednaekim: ok
[20:12] <Eicca> just running
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: it was a bug in the release version of kdelibs
[20:12] <Eicca> "Upgrading Kubuntu to version 7.10" <- lol?
[20:13] <Eicca> nosrednaekim: ok
[20:14] <MilitantPotato> !kdepim
[20:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdepim - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:15] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: What do you need to know about kdepim, I use it and may be able tohelp
[20:15] <MilitantPotato> I'm curious what it is :)
[20:15] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: I assume it is Kontact
[20:15] <nosrednaekim> MilitantPotato: it is called "Kontact"
[20:16] <MilitantPotato> ah, I marked akregator for removal and it said kdepim needed to be removed aswell
[20:16] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: akregator is a module of kontact
[20:16] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: Have you used kontact?
[20:16] <MilitantPotato> no.
[20:16] <MilitantPotato> I've just opened it though
[20:17] <ardchoille> It's quite nice
[20:17] <MilitantPotato> kdecore (KAction): WARNING: KAction::plugAccel(): call to deprecated action.
[20:17] <MilitantPotato> is that a common error when running it?
[20:18] <MilitantPotato> very cool application
[20:21] <Eicca> hmm
[20:22] <Eicca> 403 forbidden
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: mirror problems?
[20:22] <Eicca> how can I change it?
[20:22] <Eicca> yea
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: try switching mirrors
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> use columbia
[20:22] <Eicca> how?
[20:23] <polo2> I have the same error with the lasts 3 news actualisations and my native language is spanish
[20:23] <polo2> 403 forbidden
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: Adept->adept->manage repositories
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> uhh oh...i'm seeing something coming here...
[20:24] <Eicca> to what do i change these :P
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: leave all the check marks.. marked as they were.
[20:24] <BluesKaj> zblach, try  typing smb:/ in konq , doen't work in FF and I dunno about IE in VMWare
[20:24] <Eicca> ok, I changed to "Main Server"
[20:24] <zblach> it works fine in konq
[20:24] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: try using columbia as I KNOW that works.
[20:25] <zblach> i'm just having trouble accessing my samba shares from vmware
[20:25] <Eicca> nosrednaekim: I'll try the main first
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> ok
[20:25] <BluesKaj> yeah , vmware does that
[20:25] <zblach> it does
[20:25] <zblach> well, it should
[20:26] <zblach> shared on my vmachine shows only itself
[20:27] <BluesKaj> zblach, you may have to run the network wizard in windows/vmware
[20:28] <Eicca> I'm creating a Guest account, what privileges should I give to it?
[20:28] <Eicca> I don't want it to be able to log as root
[20:28] <Eicca> or change settings
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: then just leave the settings as default
[20:29] <Eicca> okay
[20:29] <Eicca> cool
[20:29] <zblach> BluesKaj: it's an issue of vmware being unable contact the outside network
[20:30] <polo2> What can I do with 403 forbbiden error?
[20:30] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: did switching mirrors help your 403?
[20:30] <BluesKaj> yes, i had the same problem ... trying to configure networking  vmware is harder than doing it in linux
[20:30] <Eicca> yea :)
[20:31] <Eicca> thanks
[20:31] <nosrednaekim> polo2: switch mirrors
[20:31] <Eicca> Main server still works
[20:31] <Eicca> Or atleast if you use English as language
[20:31] <nosrednaekim> :D
[20:31] <BluesKaj> zblach, what's the issue that you need to use vmware to connec to the net
[20:31] <Eicca> lol "could not commit updates"
[20:32] <Eicca> still succesfully completed
[20:32] <Eicca> umm
[20:32] <Eicca> what ever
[20:32] <Eicca> kopete goes
[20:32] <nosrednaekim> weird
[20:32] <Eicca> yea
[20:32] <nosrednaekim> does kopete work now?
[20:32] <Eicca> I think that the 3 last updates wasnt so important
[20:32] <Eicca> testing
[20:32] <polo2> mirrors 0k. My native language is spanish but I understanded. Thanks.
[20:32] <Eicca> yea works
[20:32] <Eicca> thanks again :D
[20:33] <Eicca> polo2 I ment if you can download spanish language packets from the Main Server
[20:33] <Eicca> what ever
[20:35] <Eicca> where can I check if my gfx card drivers are installed or not?
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: "restricted-manager-kde
[20:35] <nosrednaekim> or systemsettings->advanced->restrictedmanager
[20:37] <Eicca> ok
[20:37] <Eicca> downloading
[20:37] <Eicca> :)
[20:37] <Eicca> next stop: Wine
[20:37] <Eicca> needs computer restart
[20:37] <Eicca> brb
[20:38] <ardchoille> Eicca: Wait
[20:38] <ardchoille> Eicca: Did you just install graphics drivers?
[20:38] <Eicca> yea
[20:38] <ardchoille> Don't need to reboot for that
[20:38] <Eicca> ?
[20:38] <Eicca> oh
[20:38] <Eicca> then what? =)
[20:39] <ardchoille> Just need to restart xorg:  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[20:39] <Eicca> ok
[20:39] <Eicca> ty
[20:39] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: save anything you have open before you run that;)
[20:39] <ardchoille> Eicca: Rarely do you need to reboot Linux
[20:39] <Eicca> okay
[20:39] <Eicca> cool
[20:39] <Eicca> the kubuntu booting is kinda slow
[20:40] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: Glad you caught that, I'll make sure to say that in the future
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> Eicca: that was probably just the first boot
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> i'm down to 45 seconds here
[20:40] <Eicca> ok
[20:40] <Eicca> oh yea
[20:40] <Eicca> the first boot must be slower
[20:40] <ardchoille> Naturally
[20:40] <nosrednaekim> thats 45 seconds to a usable desktop... about 30 seconds to KDM
[20:40] <ubuntu> Hi guys, I'm in the Live CD (7.04), and its because my system got ruined, I can't start up normall anymore. At the time that the Graphical login window appears, only thing that happens is that the kubuntu startup bar appears, it's empty and it isn't moving, when I press the power button on my computer then the bar starts to get to decrease and the computer shuts off
[20:41] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: you can go "ctrl+alt+f1" and see the boot up logs and have the ability to log in from the command line
[20:41] <mastermanx2005> is thier a way to get some one ip with kubuntu
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> mastermanx2005: what do you mean?
[20:42] <Eicca> nosrednaekim: whats the partition tool for kubuntu?
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> !partitions
[20:42] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[20:42] <mastermanx2005> like getting some one ip adress
[20:42] <mastermanx2005> cuz i know cmd netstat -n u can do
[20:42] <nosrednaekim> mastermanx2005: check out "whois"
[20:43] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim , whats the point in logging in from command line, i somehow managed to do that, but I can't even imagine what that would do to solve the booting problem
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: its probably X..
[20:43] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim , Ok, is it possible to fix X :)?
[20:43] <ardchoille> ubuntu: There's a wealth of things you can do with that, like cat file, sudo apt-get install/remove, top, screen, etc
[20:44] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: you can run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and then "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[20:44] <nosrednaekim> and if it fails,it will tell you why
[20:44] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim , is there any way to do that without leaving the LIve CD :) ?
[20:44] <icheyne> hi all. I am trying to "apt-get upgrade", but I am getting "403 - Forbidden" errors from http://security.ubuntu.com. What is going on?
[20:45] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: no
[20:45] <nosrednaekim> icheyne: switch to the main us mirror
[20:45] <icheyne> nosrednaekim: do you know why it's broken?
[20:45] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim , those commands are spelled right right?, I'll writte em down and try
[20:46] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: Can't he use mount and nano to fix his xorg.conf?
[20:46] <urbmen> I am having trouble installing Unreal tournament 2004 on Kubuntu can any one tell me how to do it
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: yeah, they are right.
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: IDK what the [problem is... easier to do a dpkg-reconfigure
[20:47] <ardchoille> true
[20:47] <ubuntu> nosrednaekim , Thanks alot, I'll try that, so I press ctrl+alt+f1 after I get stuck?
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> yeah.
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> maybe ctrl+alt +f2 it sometimes depends
[20:48] <urbmen> its got the linux installer on disk one but I have no idea how to install it
[20:48] <ubuntu> cya soon :)
[20:48] <icheyne> nosrednaekim: I am using http://security.ubuntu.com - isn't that the main mirror?
[20:49] <nosrednaekim> icheyne: yes, and its broken, try the main us one, or anything else.
[20:49] <urbmen> !.sh
[20:49] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[20:50] <eicca> why do I need to use "Automatic Image Adjustion" on my view sonics VA903b every time the kde starts?
[20:50] <eicca> and that command didnt work
[20:50] <eicca> had to reboot
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> eicca: it probably got messed up by the boot splash
[20:51] <alucardromero> Anybody have any experience with Atheros wireless cards?  They give me mad loads of diarrhea.
[20:51] <eicca> nosrednaekim: yea, but it gets every time I open it
[20:51] <nosrednaekim> alucardromero: yalp.. got one.
[20:51] <eicca> can I change the resolution of the splash?
[20:51] <alucardromero> How did you get yours to work?
[20:52] <urbmen> does anybody play unrela tournament 2004
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> alucardromero: default driver ussually works, when it doesn't I use ndiswrapper
[20:52] <urbmen> unreal*
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> alucardromero: what chipset have you got?
[20:52] <icheyne> thanks nosrednaekim
[20:52] <alucardromero> Celeron 530
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> alucardromero: no... I mean which atherso chipset?
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> alucardromero: "lspci"
[20:54] <puzzud> hey guys, what's up with the "Forbidden" message when I try to download http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/libsmbclient_3.0.26a-1ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
[20:54] <alucardromero> Oh... um, ...
[20:54] <alucardromero> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5006EG 802.11 b/g Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01)
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> eww.... 5006
[20:54] <alucardromero> Yeah.
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> alucardromero: use ndiswrapper :D
[20:54] <alucardromero> Do I blacklist the restricted driver?
[20:54] <eicca> nosrednaekim: can I change the resolution of the splash screen to 1280x1024?
[20:55] <nosrednaekim> eicca: hrm...not sure.... you can change its res, but i'm not sure how high.
[20:56] <eicca> k
[20:56] <dthacker-work> puzzud: don't know, I'm getting it too.
[20:56] <dthacker-work> I must have forgot to register ;)
[20:56] <puzzud> yea, and I was really happy to do a online upgrade
[20:57] <arash> nosrednaekim , Yay, that commando worked, I was ubuntu recently
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> arash: ok.. sweert
[20:57] <puzzud> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/libsmbclient_3.0.26a-1ubuntu2.1_i386.deb and similar files are all dated for today
[20:57]  * dthacker-work left his coffee in the break room.....
[20:58] <puzzud> created/uploaded
[20:58] <puzzud> is it possible someone didn't set the correct group access rights on them?
[20:58] <arash> nosrednaekim: well, one thing for both of us, maybe you shouldnt tell newbies to type \ sudo dpkg/reconfigure xserver/xorg . non of what said there maid sense
[20:58] <eicca> nosrednaekim: is there a virtual machine available on kubuntu? some that could run windows xp
[20:58] <nosrednaekim> eicca: virtualbox
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> arash: well, if you go with the defaults,you are good :D
[20:59] <arash> but restarting x worked, but not my keyboard layout is changed , and also, I wonder if my ATI drivers is uninstalled now, can I upgrade to 7.10
[20:59] <arash> nosrednaekim , I just pressed esc out of scareness >D
[20:59] <eicca> nosrednaekim: is it good?
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> arash: your ati drivers are probably still installed, but not being used
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> eicca: excellent
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> eicca: youneed over a gig of ram though..
[21:00] <eicca> nosrednaekim: I like the sound of that :P
[21:00] <eicca> Well I have 1 gig
[21:00] <eicca> in windows the microsoft virtual machine worked fine
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> ok... you should be good then
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> ok
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> eicca: you will have to reinstall WindowsXP into it
[21:02] <eicca> nosrednaekim: I know
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> eicca: you aren't going to be playing any games in it though.
[21:08] <eicca> I know that too ;)
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> eicca: this your first time using linux?
[21:08] <eicca> umm no
[21:08] <arash> nosrednaekim , why can't you play games in a virtual machine?
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> I ask...cause I want to stop assuming that you know nothing..
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> ok.. good XD
[21:09] <eicca> I know just very little :P
[21:09] <eicca> arash you'd need a very fast computer
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> arash: no 3d acceleration
[21:09] <eicca> at all?
[21:09] <eicca> what about for example java games
[21:09] <eicca> that has a little 3d
[21:09] <arash> nosrednaekim: can I  play 10/13 year old games if I got a very good graphics card :p?
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> eicca: only what can be done on your CPU
[21:10] <eicca> umm ok
[21:10] <Dr_Willis> I play games in 'virtual' machines all the time.
[21:10] <eicca> For example runescape?
[21:11] <drarem> ok so i have glade and anjuta, now what...
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> arash: actually, anything more than 5-6 years old will play decently
[21:11] <eicca> I want to run macro on it
[21:11] <puzzud> is anyone here a kubuntu dev?
[21:11] <Dr_Willis> C64, amiga, Dosbox,  ect..  and all the mame games.. :0
[21:11] <drarem> on glade, the menu shows up in the middle of the window maximized, like any button or image control I add to it
[21:11] <drarem> it's confusing
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> eicca: don't know what that is.
[21:11] <arash> nosrednaekim: sounds interesting, I'll keep the name of it in mind :)
[21:11] <eicca> nosrednaekim: www.runescape.com
[21:11] <slow-motion> re
[21:12] <eicca> but yea
[21:12] <eicca> I have to go to sleep
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> puzzud: they hang out over at #kubuntu-devel
[21:12] <eicca> thanks alot guys and see you!
[21:12] <puzzud> nosrednaekim: thx
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> drarem: wrong channel for glade.
[21:12] <drarem> heh, don't have channel operator access to #glade
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> drarem: try #ubuntu-motu
[21:14] <drarem> thanks :)
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> or #ubunt-devel
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> or #gnome
[21:14] <drarem> cool
[21:26] <BluDog_Anchorite> well, aparently the 403 errors are a known issue.  Looks like i will have to wait until they fix the updates.
[21:40] <KDEusr> synaptic transaction set check failed
[21:40] <KDEusr> anyone know why?
[21:41] <Dr_Willis> check is in the mail?
[21:41] <Dr_Willis> :)
[21:42] <ardchoille> hahaha
[21:43] <Henkie> hi, my kdm doesnt recognize my default kde
[21:44] <Henkie> where is the setting responsible?
[21:44] <Henkie> it always start gnome
[21:44] <Henkie> starts
[21:44] <jpatrick> Henkie: in session menu press kde
[21:44] <Henkie> jpatrick, yeah, but it doesnt remember
[21:45] <jpatrick> hmm
[21:45] <ardchoille> I thought kdm rememberd the last session and set it to default
[21:45] <Henkie> same here, but it doesnt
[21:45] <Dr_Willis> the users have a .dmrc file (i think) that it saves it in.
[21:46] <Dr_Willis> some times that file gets the wrong permissions and cant be saved
[21:46] <Henkie> ah, sounds about right
[21:46] <ardchoille> Dr_Willis: my ~/.dmrc file says:  Session=default
[21:46] <sn00zer> Henkie: check this forum: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/27155-making-kde-default-session.html
[21:46] <Henkie> i moved my home dir to another uid because of winbind
[21:47] <Dr_Willis> ardchoille change it to kde then. :) or just delete the file
[21:47] <Dr_Willis> it will remake it next time you liogin
[21:47] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[21:48] <Henkie> alright, i'll try it at work tomorrow
[21:48] <arash> Hi, I try to upgrade to Gutsy, but I get this error after a short while http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44807/
[21:50] <WaltzingAlong> arash: should comment out those anyway since they are for feisty and you are on gutsy now
[21:52] <arash> WaltzingAlong: huh? Im on 7.04 now, I want to upgrade to 7.10, and during that installatioon with adept it hangs and says that those 3 lines are the problem
[21:53] <ardchoille> arash: What he meant was that if you are upgrading *to* Gutsy, you shouldn't have any Feisty repos enabled
[21:53] <arash> ardchoille: ah OK :), what acction should be taken
[21:53] <arash> ?
[21:54] <ardchoille> arash: as WaltzingAlong mentioned, comment out all the Fesity repos
[21:54] <arash> ardchoille: /etc/sources ?
[21:54] <ardchoille> arash: But, there's a better way to upgrade
[21:54] <ardchoille> !upgrade | arash
[21:54] <ubotu> arash: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:54] <Henkie> how do i get rid of dash?
[21:55] <Henkie> because it kinda annoys me
[21:55] <ardchoille> !info dash
[21:55] <ubotu> dash: The Debian Almquist Shell. In component main, is required. Version 0.5.4-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 85 kB, installed size 208 kB
[21:55] <ardchoille> Well, that description helped a lot
[21:55] <arash> ardchoille: huh?, not through the KDE applications?
[21:55] <Henkie> :)
[21:55] <Henkie> i kinda said i couldnt  :P
[21:55] <Henkie> i -> it
[21:55] <BluesKaj> arash, upgrading from launchpad ?
[21:55] <ardchoille> arash: I was under the impression that the gui upgrader took care of that for you
[21:56] <arash> BluesKaj: I followed the steps that were mentioned in the channels topic
[21:56] <arash> in the link in the channels topic *
[21:56] <ardchoille> amaranth.. I recognise that word from somewhere
[21:57] <MaTiAz> Nightwish?
[21:57] <arash> ardchoille: hmm, maybe I should comment em out manually?
[21:58] <ardchoille> arash: I would. /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:59] <Henkie> kde printing seems not to work, but printing from a gnome app does work
[22:00] <Henkie> what can be the problem?
[22:00] <ardchoille> arash: Where did you get those sources from anyway (amaranth)?
[22:01] <arash> ardchoille: dunno, :p, probably some manual told me too :)
[22:01] <arash> ardchoille: u know where they are from?
[22:02] <ardchoille> arash: Ok, the only reason I asked is because those sources are missing the "component"
[22:02] <sn00zer> i'm using beryl (i know its outdated) but aquamarine crashed and now all the window decorators disappeared from the list except gtk\
[22:02] <sn00zer> any clue as to what happened?
[22:02] <arash> ardchoille: u use 7.10 ?
[22:02] <ardchoille> arash: Yes
[22:03] <arash> ardchoille: hehe, Im gonna be enjoying KDE 3.5.8 anytime now :D
[22:03] <ardchoille> It's nice. I had my doubts about upgrading, but I'm glad I did. Kubuntu ROCKS!
[22:04] <arash> ardchoille: hehe, well, cya , it tells me to close down all programs,
[22:04] <ardchoille> ok
[22:04] <sn00zer> anyone?
[22:04] <MilitantPotato> my wife keeps getting 403 forbidden messages trying to upgrade samba via synaptic or adept, anyone else having this problem?
[22:05] <ardchoille> !beryl | sn00zer
[22:05] <ubotu> sn00zer: Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[22:05] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: Might be a problem with the repos.. althought it isn't often, it's known to happen
[22:05] <sn00zer> i know know.... upgrade...
[22:05] <Daisuke-Ido> MilitantPotato: about everyone's having the problem
[22:06] <MilitantPotato> Ok, atleast it's not a local issue :)
[22:06] <Daisuke-Ido> ardchoille: right now it seems very widespread
[22:06] <ardchoille> Daisuke-Ido: Ah, ok
[22:06] <Daisuke-Ido> but i have faith it will be restored to glory shortly
[22:07] <sn00zer> is the compiz in the fiesty repos the same as compiz-fusion?
[22:07] <MilitantPotato> are you using amaranth's repo?
[22:08] <sn00zer> talking to me MilitantPotato?
[22:08] <MilitantPotato> yea
[22:08] <sn00zer> i doubt it, i'm using the default repos
[22:08] <MilitantPotato> is compiz included in the feisty repos now?
[22:08] <BluesKaj> hmm, seems to me only certain countries are having repository/install-update probs , but not all. I haven't seen it in .ca repos ...but the prob could be package dependent
[22:08] <ardchoille> !info compiz
[22:08] <ubotu> compiz: OpenGL window and compositing manager. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1.1 (gutsy), package size 30 kB, installed size 64 kB
[22:09] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: No problems here (http://archive.ubuntu.com/blah)
[22:10] <sn00zer> well there's compiz, compiz-core, compiz-dev, compiz-extra, compiz-gnome, compiz-gtk, compiz-kde, and compiz-plugins under aptitude but could that be the old compiz?
[22:10] <arash> dang
[22:10] <arash> same problem, but new sources
[22:11] <arash> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44813/
[22:11] <ardchoille> arash: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ? I'll have a look
[22:11] <arash> any ideas?
[22:11] <ardchoille> arash: That looks like the same issue others are having right now
[22:12] <arash> oh, so theres nothing to do about it :< ?
[22:13] <ardchoille> Not at the moment
[22:13] <tilt> I'm a new user of Kubuntu and it's the first time that i wanna install a prog wich isn't on Add/Rem prog. How i'm supposed to do that?
[22:14] <arash> ardchoille , then Im gonna be an Vista user until the CD's arrive :(
[22:14] <ehird`> tilt: First you must flip the magnetic quantum flux of your soul.
[22:14] <arash> tilt , have you tried adept-manager?
[22:14] <ehird`> tilt: Then, you must reinforce the portal to exemplify its positive/negative output points.
[22:14] <tilt> yes... the prog is not in..
[22:14] <ehird`> tilt: Then, you must start konsole and type "sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME".
[22:14] <ehird`> Actually you only have to do the last bit.
[22:14] <tilt> nice thx i take this in note
[22:15] <ardchoille> ehird`: That's not helping
[22:15] <ehird`> ardchoille: Hey! I did help. ... eventually
[22:15] <ardchoille> hehe
[22:16] <myrdos> How can I tell what the dungeon I'm in is called?
[22:16] <myrdos> Like "gnomish mines" or "sokoban"
[22:16] <myrdos> Is there a way?
[22:17] <Daisuke-Ido> huh?
[22:17] <arash> well, thanks anyway :)
[22:17] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, this one is ok, http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/
[22:18] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: Ah, thanks
[22:18] <tilt> E: Couldn't find package poweriso.tar.gz
[22:18] <tilt> where the package should be?
[22:19] <ehird`> tilt: don't install from a tar.
[22:19] <ehird`> tilt: try 'sudo apt-get install poweriso', failing that google for ubuntu packages
[22:19] <BluesKaj> tar files are normally not listed in repositories that adept and synaptic use
[22:20] <ehird`> failing that, get dirty with the command line and compile it yourself with that tar
[22:20] <BluesKaj> not impressed with the latest version of poweriso
[22:21] <tilt> have  you another prog that read .daa?
[22:21] <BluesKaj> it's hacked from the windows app
[22:21] <ehird`> BluesKaj: does it use WINE? :|
[22:21] <ehird`> if so i wish they didn't say it supports Linux. Ive seen loads of things saying 'Supports linux too, with WINE!' and I just think 'no. just no.'
[22:22] <BluesKaj> dunno , ehird` ..using kiso or k3b
[22:22] <tilt> k3b do not open it
[22:22] <BluesKaj> the older vesions of acetoneiso were good
[22:23] <BluesKaj> but not the newer ones
[22:24] <Greenery> i cant update samba from the current update, something about commiting
[22:24] <BluesKaj> ehird`, tilt , I used poweriso in windows and it was clunky
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> ive herad of some others with similer issues Greenery - i think there may be a bug in the updates
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> Greenery may want to try again in a day or so
[22:25] <Greenery> okies
[22:26] <raylu> is it just me or is http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/libsmbclient_3.0.26a-1ubuntu2.1_i386.deb giving a 403?
[22:26] <raylu> as is all architectures of that one file, but nothing else
[22:26] <ardchoille> raylu: At the moment, several users have reported that problem.
[22:27] <raylu> ok, thanks
[22:27] <slow-motion> n8
[22:30] <MilitantPotato> Gnome is currently my login manager, how do I set KDE to handle it?
[22:31] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: /etc/X11/default-display-manager  ?
[22:32] <MilitantPotato> /usr/sbin/gdm
[22:32] <MilitantPotato> change it to /usr/sbin/kdm ?
[22:32] <BluesKaj> MilitantPotato, system settings/user management/admin mode
[22:32] <ardchoille> Mine has  /usr/bin/kdm  and I use kdm
[22:32]  * ardchoille likes BluesKaj's idea better
[22:33] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: But, without a gui, would that be the correct file to edit?
[22:34] <faires> Hello
[22:34] <MilitantPotato> BluesKaj: what am I modifying in here?
[22:34] <faires> How can I convert files to 3gp on Kubuntu?
[22:34] <BluesKaj> ardchoille, dunno , I normally use the gui ...it's easier for us old windows users :)
[22:34] <ardchoille> :)
[22:35] <faires> I tried ffmpeg, but it doesn't have a 3gp support when downloading through Adept
[22:35] <ardchoille> I always like to know the cli way of doing things in case a gui breaks. But, I've never had a gui break.
[22:35] <faires> (at least it's accusing it)
[22:35] <faires> ubotu: 3gp
[22:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3gp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:35] <tilt> root@CPE00112f54d8de-CM00111adeaa42:~# tar zxvf poweriso.tar.gz                        in wich folder it needed to be?
[22:35] <faires> ubotu: viedo
[22:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about viedo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:35] <faires> ubotu: video
[22:35] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[22:36] <BluesKaj> MilitantPotato, the users and groups , there should be listings for gnome and kde users
[22:36] <leo_rockw> hello everyone
[22:36] <leo_rockw> can someone help me set up kpf?
[22:37] <ardchoille> tilt: Are you logged into the root account? You can use sudo for tar
[22:37] <MilitantPotato> BluesKaj: yea, it lists me, but I'm not seeing an option to change the login windows manager..?  It's using the GDM login screen and options, instead of KDE's
[22:37] <tilt> ardchoille:  i have use sudo su - and i enter my password before i write down this command..
[22:38] <ubuntu> I am just about at wits end here with these STUPID partitioning programs on the live cds!!!!
[22:38] <ubuntu> why is my drive status "busy" when nothing's mounted?!!
[22:38] <faires> How can I convert files to 3gp on Kubuntu? I tried ffmpeg, but it doesn't have a 3gp support when downloading through Adept (or at least it say so)
[22:39] <MilitantPotato> when I first installed KDE on my Ubuntu install it asked if I wanted to use GDM or KDM as a login manager, I chose GDM because I wanted to try KDE first.  Turns out I prefer it and want KDE to handle the login screen.
[22:39] <leo_rockw> ubuntu: if the program is so "stupid" then program your own, otherwise don't complain
[22:39] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: thats a stupid way to look at it.
[22:39] <ubuntu> im not getting mnuch help here
[22:39] <ubuntu> this is day 2
[22:39] <ubuntu> i tried to gparted live cd, and it just crashes
[22:39] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: you can't say something is stupid when someone put a lot of effort into it
[22:39] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: one can complain about how bad a program is without having a better alternative
[22:40] <ardchoille> tilt: Ok, just for future reference, there is hardly a need to use su, using sudo can do most everything. I've been using ubuntu since 2004 and never have needed to be in a root shell
[22:40] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: sure you can.. we say it about windows all the time
[22:40] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: then program one yourself
[22:40] <MilitantPotato> ubuntu Serial or ATA?
[22:40] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: why?
[22:40] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: I can call it stupid without doing so
[22:40] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: why not?
[22:40] <ubuntu> MilitantPotato: ATA
[22:40] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: that's being ungrateful
[22:40] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: because programming my own doesn't automatically make the other more or less stupid
[22:40] <MilitantPotato> ubuntu do you have the jumpers set correctly?
[22:40] <ubuntu> It claims my old swap drive from the partition im trying to erase is mounted
[22:40] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: the source is there, if you want to make it better, then make it better
[22:40] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: right, but even if I don't make it better it doesn't stop it from being stupid
[22:41] <ubuntu> MilitantPotato: its been working fine.
[22:41] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: if you don't make it better, then don't complain
[22:41] <hydrogen> logic is good.
[22:41] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: No, I'm free to complain about it.
[22:41] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: the program is not stupid if it works for others
[22:41] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: if I choose to
[22:41] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: err, let me bring up windows again?
[22:41] <tilt> ardchoille:  ok... and you said that i can install a .tar.gz with sudo? the guys before you just said   that it was impossible
[22:41] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: i never called windows stupid
[22:41] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: nope, but we all think it
[22:41] <ubuntu> I did.
[22:41] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: so your logic ends there
[22:41] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: this is OT anyway
[22:41] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: i don't
[22:41] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: at least my logic started somewhere.
[22:41] <hydrogen> anyways
[22:41] <hydrogen> off topic
[22:41] <hydrogen> lets move on
[22:42] <ardchoille> tilt: tar packs and unpacks files, you can do that with sudo, it's not impossible. Someone gave you bad info.
[22:42] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: mine too: you don't like the program, don't use it, but don't complain
[22:42] <ubuntu> I thought windows is stupid was a statement... not like, a question or an opinion.
[22:42] <MilitantPotato> i did sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm and chose KDM, lets see if that works :)
[22:42] <hydrogen> ones free to have an opinion without 1000000 LOC to back it up.
[22:42] <hydrogen> and ones free to express that opinion
[22:42] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: not when you're complaining about someone's hard work
[22:42] <MilitantPotato> tilt: I'd think you'd need to build it if it's a source file
[22:42] <leo_rockw> if you complain to make things better, fine. if not, your complain is useless
[22:42] <ubuntu> Sooooo why is my drive considered "busy" by qtparted?
[22:43] <hlopez> Hi, anyone knows how to install Xmule?
[22:43] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: even if its useless (in your opinion) its still my (or whoevers) opinion
[22:43] <jpatrick> ubuntu: cos it's mounted?
[22:43] <tilt> MilitantPotato:  ok and how i do that?
[22:43] <MilitantPotato> ubuntu chances are it's mounted
[22:43] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: then say "it doesn't work for me"
[22:43] <ubuntu> MilitantPotato: I tried umount -a
[22:43] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: that doesn't make the program stupid
[22:43] <MilitantPotato> !source
[22:43] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[22:43] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: no, programs can be stupid and still work for me
[22:43] <MilitantPotato> hmm
[22:43] <ubuntu> MilitantPotato: nor do i see it when i do 'mount'
[22:44] <hydrogen> programs stupidity (how they are designed) is orthagonal to their functionality
[22:44] <Agreken> hello all
[22:44] <ubuntu> im on a live disc, trying to erase my old linux partition so i can make a new one
[22:44] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: the program works for everyone except for ubuntu
[22:44] <hlopez> Thanks!
[22:44] <hydrogen> leo_rockw: I highly doubt that as well.
[22:44] <ubuntu> i dont doubt it, that happens a lot
[22:44] <MilitantPotato> !build
[22:44] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[22:44] <leo_rockw> hydrogen: i haven't heard any other reasonable complain other than ubuntu's "this program is stupid"
[22:44] <Agreken> can someone help a noob connect to his external usb drive?
[22:44] <MilitantPotato> tilt: read that link
[22:45] <leo_rockw> if your complain is something like "the program is not working well because of so and so" that's a complain
[22:45] <tilt> i'm reading it
[22:45] <leo_rockw> otherwise you're just trolling
[22:45] <ubuntu> yadda yadda. When am i going to get this stupid thing installed...
[22:46] <leo_rockw> ubuntu: welcome to my ignore list
[22:46] <ubuntu> How about QTParted should have an 'unmount' option, and it should handle ext3 like gparted? Or how about, we should have gparted on the live cd instead of this old thing?
[22:46] <MilitantPotato> ubuntu: try swapoff -a
[22:46] <ubuntu> hmm
[22:46] <ubuntu> ok lets see
[22:47] <tilt> E: Unable to find a source package for poweriso.tar.gz
[22:47] <Agreken> can someone help a noob connect to his external usb drive?
[22:47] <hydrogen> errr
[22:47] <hydrogen> plug it in
[22:47] <hydrogen> and then
[22:47] <MilitantPotato> tilt: did you change the directory to your folder?
[22:47] <hydrogen> turn it on
[22:47] <ubuntu> BINGO
[22:47] <hydrogen> and watch the magic happen
[22:47] <Agreken> lol
[22:47] <ubuntu> MilitantPotato: You saved my life
[22:47] <MilitantPotato> ubuntu: google works wonders :)(
[22:47] <Agreken> I got that far :)
[22:47] <tilt> MilitantPotato: it is in desktop
[22:48] <Agreken> but no magic
[22:48] <ubuntu> MilitantPotato: what did you look up? lol!
[22:48] <MilitantPotato> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Unmount+SWAP+partition&btnG=Search
[22:48] <MilitantPotato> first hit had that command
[22:48] <MilitantPotato> tilt
[22:48] <ubuntu> slick
[22:48] <MilitantPotato> cd /home/username/Desktop
[22:48] <MilitantPotato> insert your username where the username bit is
[22:49] <jjones> who do I report problems to http://security.ubuntu.com to?  File permissions aren't set for files modified today.. can't upgrade!
[22:49] <MilitantPotato> !bug
[22:49] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[22:50] <tilt> MilitantPotato:  E: Unable to find a source package for poweriso.tar.gz
[22:50] <jjones> it's not a bug.. just an administration problem for the file server.
[22:51] <wpk> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/samba-common_3.0.26a-1ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
[22:51] <wpk> I'm gettin 403
[22:51] <tilt> MilitantPotato:  tilt@CPE00112f54d8de-CM00111adeaa42:~/Desktop$ apt-get source poweriso-1.1
[22:51] <jjones> go to http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/ and try to access any file changed today
[22:51] <nick_> Hey everyone, I have been in and out of this chatroom a lot in the past week asking for help to all kinds of things.  I just got kbuntu 3 weeks ago (only windows previously) and it has been a great experience, especially because you were all so friendly and helpful.  Especially you ScorpKing, if you are here, you have been a great consistent help for almost every question I've asked and I fixed that internet problem I was having with a bit of a workaround.
[22:51] <nick_> So, thanks again everyone
[22:53] <ardchoille> That is why I love this community ^^
[22:54] <leo_rockw> nick_: the community needs more people like you
[22:54] <Agreken> do i have to configure anything special to access my external usb drive?
[22:55] <jjones> Agreken, no, it should be recognized when you plug it in... a dialog should pop up with options
[22:57] <Agreken> any suggestions if it doesn't?
[22:57] <jjones> hmm.. well, if it doesn't for me it usually means I plugged the sd card in upside down in my reader ;)
[22:57] <jjones> but I think I had an issue otherwise a while ago..
[22:58] <MilitantPotato> tilt: no idea man, It's not working for me either.
[22:58] <smallfields> help, my kubuntu doesnt pass the login window, it always says my password is wrong, im sure its right...
[22:59] <jjones> Agreken, are you familiar with dmesg in the terminal?
[23:00] <FroggyTheGreat> So...How much space does 7.10 need?
[23:01] <BluesKaj> FroggyTheGreat, which install are using ?
[23:01] <BluesKaj> you
[23:01] <FroggyTheGreat> The standard Kubuntu 7.10 livecd.
[23:01] <jjones> Agreken, if you type dmesg at a terminal window right after you plug in the sd card it should give you some hints as to what is happening.
[23:01] <BluesKaj> FroggyTheGreat, and what kinds of apps do you intend to use
[23:01] <Agreken> ok, let me check that
[23:02] <FroggyTheGreat> Just general office and puttering-around stuff - no huge games or anything.
[23:03] <lounge-about> anyone really familiar with dpkg?
[23:03] <BluesKaj> I'd give kubuntu , if you're into media and photos, mp3s etc at least a 20G partition...30Gwould be better if you intend to burn movies etc
[23:03] <BluesKaj> !dpkg
[23:03] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[23:03] <lounge-about> im having a problem removing a package
[23:04] <FroggyTheGreat> I've got a 108gb drive.  I'm going to mount /home on the partitiion left from whatever the system gets.
[23:04] <lounge-about> would it be ok if i pasted a small terminal output?
[23:04] <Agreken> jjones: it looks like everything is loading correctly. how do I navigate to it?
[23:04] <BluesKaj> FroggyTheGreat, you got lots then: :)
[23:04] <FroggyTheGreat> Basically, I can't find the "Minimum System Requirements" page and I'm looking around.
[23:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> lounge-about: general rule of thumb is: one or two lines is fine, more than that you should pastebin it
[23:05] <FroggyTheGreat> Looks like a 30gb system partition should be plenty then?
[23:05] <jjones> Agreken, it should be in /media/disk/   the dmesg might tell you where it was mounted otherwise.. /media/camera etc
[23:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> BluesKaj: 30gb for multimedia?  i would have to delete about 400gb of stuff >_>
[23:06] <FroggyTheGreat> Basically, anything that I don't want destroyed if I have to wipe and reinstall is going on the non-system partition.
[23:07] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Laptop, wasn't alking about storage , just a 'working' type partition...was assuming he was gonna dual boot with windows
[23:07] <jjones> Areken,  dmesg just shows which device I guess..  sda sdb etc.. typing  mount  will sho you if it was mounted.
[23:07] <faires> !convert
[23:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about convert - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:07] <Agreken> jjones, it doesn't look like it ever mounts. it sees it, but no mount messages
[23:07] <jjones> Agreken, does /dev/sdb ( or whatever dmesg said it was) show up when you type mount?
[23:08] <Agreken> jjones, no, only /dev/sda1
[23:08] <BluesKaj> faires, convert what ?
[23:08] <faires> BluesKaj: an mpeg-avi to 3gp
[23:08] <faires> (The cell phone format)
[23:09] <faires> I found ffmpeg
[23:09] <jjones> Agreken, dmesg showed the usb drive as sdb correct?
[23:09] <faires> But the adept install doesn't recognize .3gp support
[23:09] <faires> The adept install of ffmpeg, I mean
[23:09] <jjones> Agreken, if you type    sudo pmount /dev/sdb1 /media/disk     what happens?
[23:09] <Agreken> jjones, however, i see one that says "proc on /proc type proc" which is what the drive shows up as in System Settings
[23:10] <jjones> Agreken, hmm.. proc is another thing entirely ( you can see system process info there)
[23:11] <jjones> is there a udev on /dev line ?
[23:11] <Agreken> "pmount: command not found"
[23:11] <jjones> did you do sudo pmount?
[23:11] <Agreken> yes
[23:11] <BluesKaj> faires, 3X 3GP Video Converter at http://www.3gp.com/
[23:11] <Agreken> "udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[23:12] <BluesKaj> faires, prolly have to run it in wine
[23:13] <faires> Doesn't have a free version?
[23:13] <BluesKaj> dunno
[23:13] <jjones> teh udev line is correct. udev is what should be mounting the usb key for you.
[23:13] <faires> :(
[23:13] <faires> Thanks a lot, anyway
[23:13] <BluesKaj> do a google
[23:13] <jjones> try    sudo apt-get install pmount
[23:13] <jjones> I need to go soon..
[23:14] <Agreken> jjones installing now
[23:14] <jereme> are the missing samba packages a common topic today for 7.10?
[23:14] <jjones> then try the pmount command again
[23:15] <jjones> brb
[23:15] <Agreken> jjones, Error: device /dev/sdb1 is not removable
[23:15] <Agreken> mount
[23:15] <Agreken> mt
[23:15] <jjones> ahh.. what did dmesg say
[23:16] <jjones> sdb: Write Protect is off
[23:16] <jjones> [63192.372000] sdb: Mode Sense: 23 00 00 00
[23:16] <jjones> [63192.372000] sdb: assuming drive cache: write through
[23:16] <jjones> [63192.372000]  sdb: sdb1
[23:16] <jjones> [63192.376000] sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb
[23:16] <Agreken> keeps saying something about it being SCSI, which it isnt
[23:16] <Agreken> sdc?
[23:16] <Dresken> When I try to run the synaptic package manager I  get an error saying "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. "
[23:16] <Dresken> Any idea how to resolve this issue?
[23:17] <jjones> it is a scsi device in this case..
[23:17] <jjones> or at least it uses the scsi driver or something..
[23:17] <jjones> do you get a line like this: sd 6:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb
[23:18] <ariane> hi. i'm trying to emulate N64 games with mupen64 and kamefu but neither of them is working. i downloaded roms, unzipped them in a folder and kamefu doesn't even see the files.  mupen64 sees the files but does nothing with them. could someone help me work this out please ?
[23:18] <cpk1> Dresken: run 'dpkg --configure -a' ?
[23:19] <Agreken> no, I see usb 3-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12
[23:19] <compilerwriter> Ok folks I am having trouble getting printer sharing set up with an XP machine.  I have tried to follow a thing I found online but kde must be a bit different.  Anyone able to walk me through it quickly?
[23:19] <Agreken> and usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[23:19] <Dresken> cpk1: I did, but it didn't do anything
[23:19] <Agreken> and
[23:19] <Agreken> usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[23:19] <Agreken> [11041.624000] scsi12 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[23:19] <jjones> Agreken, are you using a hub?
[23:20] <Agreken> no, laptop tho, if that matters
[23:20] <cpk1> Dresken: didnt give you any output just line returned?
[23:21] <ariane> hi. i'm trying to emulate N64 games with mupen64 and kamefu but neither of them is working. i downloaded roms, unzipped them in a folder and kamefu doesn't even see the files.  mupen64 sees the files but does nothing with them. could someone help me work this out please ?
[23:22] <cpk1> compilerwriter: iirc kde has a very easy wizard to set it up...
[23:22] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter,to which OS is the printer connected /
[23:22] <Dresken> Nevermind, fixed it, thanks anyway cpk1 :)
[23:22] <jjones> Agreken,  nothing more after the "emulation for USB Mass Stor.." line?
[23:22] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj and cpk1 the printer is currently connected to Kubuntu.
[23:23] <compilerwriter> I need to share it with XP machines.  I had it connected to an XP machine and then shared it with my Kubuntu box but that XP machine took a crap on me and now I have it working for Kubuntu but need to share it with the wifes lappy.
[23:23] <jjones> Agreken, if you type lsmod | grep usb-storage    wht do you get?
[23:24] <jjones> Agreken,  sorry.. lsmod | grep usb_storage
[23:24] <jjones> with an underscore.. not dash
[23:25] <HeiKu> hi there, anyone can help me with some problem updating the samba packages? 403 forbidden message
[23:25] <HeiKu> right in the middle of the upgrade to gutsy
[23:25] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, it's best to setup printer sharing from the windows machine so it can search for it on the network
[23:25] <jjones> Hi HeiKu .. I came on here for the same reason.. someone made a mistake and the files aren't accessable.. we might just have to wait until someone with permissions to change them finds out.
[23:26] <Agreken> jjones, 5 lines of stuff
[23:26] <cpk1> compilerwriter: go to the kmenu then system settings then printers and then in the pulldown menu "print server" then share printer on local network i think
[23:26] <jjones> accessible.. argh..  anything listed as changed today here: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/
[23:26] <Agreken> usb_storage            73024  0
[23:26] <Agreken> scsi_mod              147084  6 sbp2,sr_mod,sg,sd_mod,usb_storage,libata
[23:26] <jjones> Agreken, that's good.. at least the kernel module is loaded then.
[23:27] <Agreken> scsi_mod              147084  6 sbp2,sr_mod,sg,sd_mod,usb_storage,libata\
[23:27] <compilerwriter> cpk1 now that I have told it to share with the network how do I go about finding it on the XP box?
[23:28] <ariane> hi. i'm trying to emulate N64 games with mupen64 and kamefu but neither of them is working. i downloaded roms, unzipped them in a folder and kamefu doesn't even see the files.  mupen64 sees the files but does nothing with them. could someone help me work this out please ?
[23:30] <BluesKaj> cpk1, has a good point ...my setup is that both kubuntubox and windows both share a router and the printer is USB connected to the windows box . Since Kubuntu easily recognizes HP printers , it's a breeze to setup even a network printer from the kubuntubox.
[23:30] <BluesKaj> !patience | ariane
[23:30] <ubotu> ariane: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:31] <jjones> Agreken,  try running udevmonitor and then plug in the memory card.
[23:32] <Oldtoker> hi all I need some help.. if possible.. to install the new beta of skype?
[23:32] <Agreken> jjones, ok, printed a lot of stuff to the screen
[23:32] <begert> hey, anyone know what the little window is called the shows info when you hover over an application in the panel?
[23:32] <Agreken> UDEV  [1195255920.191430] add      /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb3/3-2/3-2:1.0/host13/target13:0:0/13:0:0:0 (scsi)
[23:33] <jjones> Agreken, what's the last line it printed?
[23:33] <Agreken> UDEV  [1195255920.289791] add      /block/sdc/sdc1 (block)
[23:33] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, controlpanel / printers/ ...on the left hand column there should be an option "network printers" ..click on it and the wizard should pop up.
[23:33] <jjones> try sudo pmount /dev/sdc1 /media/disk
[23:34] <compilerwriter> BluesKaj now I have to enter a url or something.
[23:34] <Agreken> ok, no error message
[23:34] <jjones> Agreken, now try ls /media/disk
[23:34] <BluesKaj> does windows wizaerd see the network printer?
[23:34] <jjones> anything there?
[23:35] <Agreken> permission denied
[23:35] <jjones> Agreken, try sudo ls /media/disk
[23:36] <Agreken> jjones, that worked!
[23:36] <jjones> cool, type sudo pumount /dev/sdc1
[23:36] <xristian> yesterday i installed ubuntu studio on my lap. works really nice. right now ive just edited a track with Audacity which is a very respectable audio editor. the point here is .. how the fck can i convert a wav to mp3. any idea ?
[23:36] <Agreken> done
[23:36] <jjones> then do the pmount without the sudo.. then you can get at it normally.
[23:37] <jjones> I'm not sure why it isn't mounting automatically for you.. but at least you can get at it now.
[23:37] <Oldtoker> what kind of libraries do I need to install to run 32 bit software on the 64 bit
[23:37] <jjones> Agreken, make sure you do the unmount ( ie  pumount ) before removing the device so that you don't lose any information.
[23:37] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, did you addprinter ?
[23:38] <Agreken> jjones, cool! Thank you VERY much!
[23:38] <jjones> Agreken,  I hope that works well enough for you now.. I need to go.
[23:38] <swampDweller> xristian: i think ´lame x.wav x.mp3´ or some such should do it
[23:38] <Agreken> jjones, is there a reason it doesnt show up in Dolphin?
[23:38] <Agreken> jjones, cool, thanks a lot!!
[23:38] <jjones> I'm not familiar with Dolphin..
[23:39] <jjones> but you might just need to refresh it?
[23:39] <jjones> it's a graphical dir browser I assume? it does ring a bell..
[23:39] <xristian> ok i ll try
[23:39] <Agreken> new gui file browser in KDE
[23:40] <Agreken> default browser witn 7.10 install
[23:40] <BluesKaj> compilerwriter, this may help, http://www.le.ac.uk/cc/dsss/docs/print-con.shtml
[23:40] <jjones> Agreken,   that's the bell it rang I guess. It should show up in there when you browse to /media/disk ...
[23:40] <GE> I'm trying to install kubuntu gutsy, but X isn't starting for me, can drop into a command line and try to manually start X, but it still fails w/ an error about AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
[23:40] <GE> and I've tried just about everything I can think of, and it just is not starting
[23:40] <jjones> Agreken,  ok, gotta move.. good luck... and don't forget to unmount befre you pull out the key if you've written to it at all.
[23:41] <shaffy> can someone tell me how to completely (purge) my OpenOffice installation?  i want to completely remove any trace of it and then reinstall it b/c i am having problems with it.
[23:41] <Agreken> jjones, will do, thanks man
[23:41] <GE> nothing in the log files either, I've tried disabling AIGLX and Compositing, still nothing, I'm running an ATI gfx card
[23:41] <jjones> pumount /dev/sdc1 or   pumount /media/disk  will both work.   adios
[23:42] <Sam1337> For some strange reason my /var has started to get filled up by logs as large as 250mb... I deleted a couple of them but my /var is getting filled up again now.
[23:42] <BluesKaj> GE, are you at the TTY prompt ?
[23:42] <GE> yes
[23:43] <GE> I have gotten kubuntu/ubuntu working on my laptop before, but I usually have to go and get the alternate install cd, and then also install the proprietary ATI drivers, and then X will start, but I don't have high-speed internet avaliable to me, so I'm trying to make the livecd work
[23:44] <faires> !mp4
[23:44] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:44] <BluesKaj> GE, I suggest reconfiging xorg using the generic vesa driver for X , at least that should help load X and kubuntu:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[23:44] <shaffy> can someone tell me how to completely remove (purge) my OpenOffice installation?  i want to completely remove any trace of it and then reinstall it b/c i am having problems with it.
[23:44] <faires> !avi
[23:44] <GE> BluesKaj, already done that
[23:44] <faires> !avi
[23:45] <GE> BluesKaj, already wiped out the xorg, and had dpkg create a new one, still won't start
[23:45] <BluesKaj> bummer GE , how about, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[23:45] <mockus> hello, i was installing kubuntu, and got fatal error when installing grub (i`m using asus z96s)
[23:46] <GE> BluesKaj, works for a sec, then nothing
[23:46] <GE> BluesKaj, I see X start, see the screen, can move the mouse around, then crashes back to the terminal
[23:46] <Oldtoker> WaltzingAlong, may I PM you?
[23:48] <BluesKaj> GE , perhaps you can edit Xorg , sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[23:49] <GE> BluesKaj, I don't think I want to cat it to edit it ;), but add what?
[23:49] <GE> brb, dinner
[23:49] <BluesKaj> try the ati driver
[23:56] <shaffy> do anyone have any objections to install openoffice 2.3 on a kubuntu desktop?
[23:57] <hydrogen> its already installed..
[23:57] <hydrogen> by defautl..
[23:57] <shaffy> 2.3 is?
[23:57] <Sam1337> My open office takes about 5 seconds to start up is this normal?
[23:57] <mockus> hem, i`m having problem installing kubuntu on laptop.. grub installer can see my hhd
[23:57] <mockus> hdd*
[23:57] <ardchoille> shaffy: 2.3 is installed on gutsy
[23:58] <shaffy> gutsy... i'm running ubuntu.. isn't that feisty?
[23:58] <shaffy> *kubuntu