[00:10] <alesan> hey, a question, do you think "pulseaudio" will be used for hardy?
[00:11] <Toma-> seems so
[00:15] <alesan> thanks
[03:10] <shirish> hi guys, does anybody know of some good project management systems/PMS they can tell me ?
[03:28] <bardyr> shirish, i dont think any have been uploaded to hardy yet
[03:29] <shirish> bardyr: any which were in gutsy? I wanna know if ubuntu has had any good PMS tools ever
[03:29] <bardyr> shirish, i dont know i dont use them, but there should be a couple good ones
[03:30] <bardyr> shirish,  but this channel is for Hardy Development talk, general linux/ubuntu is in #ubuntu
[03:30] <bardyr> :)
[03:31] <shirish> bardyr: I'm using Hardy, I was just asking if somebody knew, but you're right, that question should be for #ubuntu
[03:32] <bardyr> shirish, im probably to anal i just got the same response thrown in my head to many times
[03:33] <shirish> bardyr: btw see if you can comment something on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3780327#post3780327
[03:34] <bardyr> shirish, whats the problem?
[03:35] <shirish> broken packages if I try to do a full-upgrade, the only issue they have held back for about a week now. It normally doesn't take that much time.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> depends.  it can take much longer
[03:36] <Hobbsee> but really, you should know how to resolve them by now, as you like continuously running dev versions.
[03:36] <bardyr> !info xmms
[03:36] <ubotu> xmms: Versatile X audio player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.2.10+20070601-1 (gutsy), package size 2101 kB, installed size 6292 kB
[03:37] <Hobbsee> particualrly with something like xfwm4, which doesnt have any paid devs on it anyway
[03:37] <Hobbsee> that needs a merge.
[03:37] <shirish> Hobbsee: you are right, I should, but don't so any help would be appreciable.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> so yeah, will probably take a while.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> seeing as there are ~500 things to merge in universe alone, last i checked.
[03:38] <shirish> phew, /me whistles
[03:39] <Hobbsee> and why *are* you running medibuntu stuff on a hardy system?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> most of that will likely break, and you can fix it yourself.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> or, go to medibuntu for support.
[03:40] <bardyr> Hobbsee, do you got any idea when we can expect a kernel update?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> bardyr: before the first lot of cds.
[03:40] <bardyr> kk
[03:40] <bardyr> so any day now :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> not really
[03:40] <Hobbsee> other stuff needs merging first
[03:41] <Hobbsee> but they're working on it
[03:41] <bardyr> first alpha is out 29th
[03:41] <bardyr> any day == ~10days
[03:41] <Hobbsee> wow, thought it must be soonish, yeah.
[03:47]  * Hobbsee ponders attempting to upgrade xorg again
[03:51] <bardyr> Hobbsee, xorg have been working for some time now?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> bardyr: not on intel cards - driver is very chuggy
[03:52] <bardyr> Hobbsee, oh then get the intel 2.2.0 release :)
[03:53] <Hobbsee> requires the drm stuff in hte kernel.
[07:15] <Laser87> Hi!
[07:29] <Xemanth^> Laser87: hi
[13:22] <IdleOne> why is FF3.0 being placed in Applications > Other instead of Internet?
[13:24] <Balaams_Miracle> IdleOne: probably because FF3 is still alpha software
[13:24] <Pici> *beta, but its all the same.
[13:24] <IdleOne> makes sense
[13:27] <Balaams_Miracle> Oh wait, this is Hardy (forgot which room i was in). Haven't been playing with Hardy yet, so it's quite possible that there is a beta in the Hardy repo's. I was looking at the Gutsy repos which contains 3.0 ~ alpha 8
[13:28] <IdleOne> Balaams_Miracle: your answer still applies :)
[13:29] <Pici> !info firefox-3.0
[13:29] <Balaams_Miracle> :-)
[13:29] <ubotu> firefox-3.0: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (Development Version). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0~alpha8+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1130 kB, installed size 3832 kB
[13:29] <Pici> !info firefox-3.0 hardy
[13:29] <ubotu> firefox-3.0: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (Development Version). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0~alpha8+nobinonly-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 1130 kB, installed size 3832 kB
[13:29] <Pici> oh well.
[13:29] <IdleOne> lightweight is sorta not exactly the truth
[13:30] <Balaams_Miracle> Not anymore :-)
[13:30] <IdleOne> I guess if you compare it to IE it is
[13:30] <IdleOne> but even then ...
[13:30] <Balaams_Miracle> If people want lightweight, they should use Lynx :-)
[13:31] <IdleOne> !info lynx
[13:31] <ubotu> lynx: Text-mode WWW Browser. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.6-2ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1138 kB, installed size 4860 kB
[13:31] <IdleOne> yeah I would like a real lightweight GUI browser that doesnt lock up my pc
[13:32] <IdleOne> that actualy works and is still being maintained
[13:32]  * Balaams_Miracle uses Opera...
[13:33] <IdleOne> Epiphany seems the closest I can get. havent tried opera yet
[13:34] <IdleOne> wowndering if having 5 different browsers installed would affect performance
[13:34] <IdleOne> I dont see why it would though not like I run all 5 at same time
[13:35] <IdleOne> is Opera packaged?
[13:35] <Balaams_Miracle> It shouldn't affect your perf, but as you say, it would if you ran them all simultaneously
[13:36] <Balaams_Miracle> It used to be, but i prefer to use the opera repo mysepf (deb.opera.com)
[13:36] <Balaams_Miracle> mysepf = myself
[13:37] <avatar_> IdleOne: #deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu     gutsy   partner main
[13:37] <IdleOne> avatar_: I run hardy
[13:38] <avatar_> IdleOne: i think that one wil work for hardy also
[13:39] <Balaams_Miracle> Time to "upgrade" my Gutsy VM to Hardy...
[13:40] <IdleOne> I hate this .....computer
[13:41] <IdleOne> only good thing about it is that it is consistantly a piece of crap
[13:45] <IdleOne> Balaams_Miracle: what repo do I need to use? sid?
[13:50] <Balaams_Miracle> I always use sarge, but i don't know if that's the best one for Ubuntu users
[14:07] <IdleOne> Opera is nice. Have a good day folks
[14:30] <pvandewyngaerde> can i install   latex-xcolor  from the hardy repo ?   i need 2.11 ,  with 2.09 nothing compiles anymore
[14:32] <Tomcat_> pvandewyngaerde: If it works out for the deps, sure...
[14:33] <pvandewyngaerde> and do you know how ??  i have 64 bit ?
[15:09] <Tomcat_> pvandewyngaerde: Download the package from packages.ubuntu.com, install it. :o
[15:09] <Tomcat_> pvandewyngaerde: If you don't know the specifics, I guess it's best if you don't try it... might mess up.
[17:55] <nanonyme> hmm, which do you think will break my system more: using a self-compiled kernel or trying out hardy? :P
[17:55]  * nanonyme bets for hardy and proceeds with the compiling
[20:44] <icangoogleit> ping ompaul
[20:44] <icangoogleit> ompaul ping
[20:44] <icangoogleit> ompaul
[20:50] <icangoogleit> ompaul
[20:50] <icangoogleit> did it work now?
[20:50] <icangoogleit> ^_^
[20:58] <ompaul> na
[20:58]  * ompaul goes to config again
[21:00] <icangoogleit> ompaul
[21:01] <ompaul> got that
[21:01] <ompaul> not the signal
[23:00] <ouellettesr> what repositories do I use
[23:00] <ouellettesr> haha
[23:06] <humbolto> Why does the Xen kernel not support CPU frequency scaling? Does not make much sense considering that some people want to use Xen for running Windows and Linux side by side on their laptops.