[00:00] <asac> gnomefreak: for this issue you don't need to test a full rebuild
[00:00] <]reed[> asac: hey, I just filed LP #162993
[00:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162993 in ia32-libs "ia32-libs missing 32-bit gnome libraries needed for gtk stock icons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162993
[00:00] <asac> just build sources ...like what you upload and verify that it done right
[00:00] <gnomefreak> its still building the tar.gx
[00:00] <asac> bug 162993
[00:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162993 in ia32-libs "ia32-libs missing 32-bit gnome libraries needed for gtk stock icons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162993
[00:00] <]reed[> what's the best way to get somebody to look at it?
[00:00] <gnomefreak> not building diff
[00:01] <gnomefreak> dpkg-source: building lightning-sunbird in lightning-sunbird_0.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu1.tar.gz
[00:01] <gnomefreak> dpkg-source: building lightning-sunbird in lightning-sunbird_0.7+nobinonly-0ubuntu1.dsc
[00:01] <gnomefreak> why the fuck is it building ubuntu1.tar.gz
[00:02] <Ubulette> rename the dir
[00:02] <gnomefreak> to what?
[00:02] <Ubulette> mv lightning-sunbird_0.7+nobinonly lightning-sunbird-0.7+nobinonly
[00:02] <gnomefreak> lightning-sunbird_0.7+nobinonly
[00:02] <asac> ]reed[: usually you should try to ping the last uploader and usually subscribe him to that bug
[00:02] <Ubulette> tar cvzf lightning-sunbird_0.7+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz  lightning-sunbird-0.7+nobinonly/*.tar.bz2
[00:02] <gnomefreak> it should be - not _
[00:03] <gnomefreak> why would dir be - when tarball is _
[00:03] <Ubulette> the name of the tarball is right, the dir in it is not
[00:03] <asac> ]reed[: but given the low bug count on that package it will probably get attention on its own. so maybe wait a few days
[00:03] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, look before the nobinonly:
[00:03] <Ubulette> ix:~/bzr/tarballs$ tar ztvf lightning-sunbird_0.7.orig.tar.gz
[00:03] <Ubulette> drwxr-xr-x fta/fta           0 2007-10-28 19:19 lightning-sunbird-0.7/
[00:03] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- fta/fta    37292115 2007-10-28 19:18 lightning-sunbird-0.7/lightning-sunbird-0.7-source.tar.bz2
[00:04] <Ubulette> so just reproduce with s/0.7/0.7+nobinonly/
[00:04] <Ubulette> take extra care about "_" and "-"
[00:05] <Ubulette> you have to create APP_VERSION.orig.tar.gz containing APP-VERSION/something.tar.bz2
[00:06] <gnomefreak> why would dir matter in that instance since tarball is _ figured dir should be aas well
[00:06] <Ubulette> where APP is lightning-sunbird and VERSION is 0.7+nobinonly
[00:06] <asac> ]reed[: i think a lot of kde users will complain if you pull in all those gnome libs
[00:06] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, try it
[00:06] <gnomefreak> i am but i dont get why it matters
[00:06] <gnomefreak> but you answere that
[00:06] <Ubulette> it's how dpkg-sources works
[00:07] <]reed[> asac: well, we're requiring them for Firefox 3 on Linux
[00:07] <]reed[> for now, at least
[00:07] <asac> ]reed[: i doubt that all those libs are needed for gtk stock icons
[00:08] <]reed[> we're open to help!
[00:08] <]reed[> help us! :)
[00:08] <]reed[> see mozilla bug 402742
[00:08] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 402742 in ImageLib "nightlies on Ubuntu 7.10 x64 do not show stock icons" [Major,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402742
[00:08] <asac> ]reed[: what kind of api do you use for stock icons?
[00:08] <]reed[> see comment #29
[00:09] <]reed[> in that moz bug
[00:09] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: how can i run lintian and/or linda on this now?
[00:09] <gnomefreak> save me from uploading to find out errors
[00:09] <asac> Ubulette: do we see those stock icons?
[00:10] <Ubulette> in the file list ? yes
[00:11] <asac> without gnome-support?
[00:11] <Ubulette> I have gnome support
[00:11] <gnomefreak> the bule globe with or without
[00:11] <gnomefreak> asac: iirc it doesnt matter its blue globe either way
[00:11] <Ubulette> oh, mine are orange, not yellow
[00:12] <gnomefreak> yellow?
[00:12] <asac> Ubulette: yeah its probably from your theme :)
[00:12] <asac> Ubulette: can you try to uninstall xul-gnome-support and see if they go away as well?
[00:12] <asac> i only have a8 build here on this system
[00:12] <gnomefreak> i see the same icons as the mozilla bug has as attachments
[00:12] <Ubulette> i'm with b2pre
[00:12] <gnomefreak> this is on a9
[00:12] <gnomefreak> a9pre
[00:13] <asac> Ubulette: right ... please try :-D
[00:13] <asac> Ubulette: bug was filed 06-11 ... so b2pre should be fine i guess
[00:13] <[reed]> the new Linux theme just landed last night
[00:13] <[reed]> that makes the main icons use stock icons
[00:13] <gnomefreak> mine looks like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=287563
[00:14] <gnomefreak> in help about
[00:17] <Ubulette> hold on, i'm gonna upgrade to 1.9~b2~cvs20071115t1439
[00:19] <gnomefreak> asac: lintian == no errors linda == waiting on it to install
[00:19] <gnomefreak> grrrrrrr
[00:20] <gnomefreak> if i remove debhelper from control linda complains if i add it linda complains
[00:20] <gnomefreak> wonder if its linda
[00:20] <Ubulette> gasp, without gnome support, it's broken
[00:20] <gnomefreak> but native is gone
[00:21] <gnomefreak> not here
[00:21] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: i dont have gnome-support for firefox-3.0a9pre and i get the fuse on the globe
[00:21] <gnomefreak> assuming that is the correct icon
[00:22] <gnomefreak> using defaul gnome icons here
[00:22] <[reed]> no, you need to look at ftp listings
[00:22] <[reed]> go to ftp://ftp.mozilla.org
[00:22] <[reed]> do you see icons?
[00:22] <gnomefreak> the folders and files yes
[00:23] <gnomefreak> ugly as hell but yes
[00:23] <[reed]> download ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/tinderbox-builds/fx-linux-tbox-trunk/firefox-3.0b2pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2
[00:23] <[reed]> unpack it and run it
[00:23] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Minefield-without-gnome.png
[00:23] <[reed]> Ubulette: yes, that's what people are reporting :0
[00:24] <[reed]> we'd like to fix it
[00:24] <gnomefreak> ok it looks right here ill let you know when download is done what b2 looks like
[00:24] <Ubulette> readding gnome support does not change anything, it's still broken
[00:25] <[reed]> Ubulette: does that include libgnomeui ?
[00:26] <Ubulette> what ?
[00:26] <gnomefreak> ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/tinderbox-builds/fx-linux-tbox-trunk/firefox-3.0b2pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2
[00:26] <gnomefreak> shit
[00:26] <gnomefreak> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=81twl7d&s=1
[00:26] <asac> [reed]: ok ... the idea is to just use gtk_icon_theme_lookup_icon and guess the name from mime-type
[00:26] <gnomefreak> that is a9pre
[00:26] <asac> is that good enough?
[00:26] <gnomefreak> waiting for b2
[00:27] <[reed]> asac: hmm, can you comment in the bug?
[00:27] <asac> yes
[00:28] <Ubulette> http://paste.ubuntu.com/2016/
[00:28] <Ubulette> well, that's with gnome-support but it looks like without
[00:29] <Ubulette> maybe a chrome reg
[00:29] <Ubulette> damn, it's borked
[00:29] <Ubulette> i can't stay like that
[00:30] <asac> Ubulette: he?
[00:30] <Ubulette> look at my screenshot
[00:30] <Ubulette> i'm like that now
[00:34] <Ubulette> i've downgraded to b1 rc3, it's back in shape.. aaaahh, i feel better
[00:35] <gnomefreak> testing upstream build waiting for it to open
[00:36] <gnomefreak> i see icons
[00:36] <gnomefreak> its using ubuntu themes
[00:36] <gnomefreak> theme
[00:36] <Ubulette> i've upgraded again but this time with gnome support, i see the icons but my bmtoolbar is missing
[00:37] <gnomefreak> post screenshot in a moment
[00:37] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: i dont have -gnome-support for 3.0 installed
[00:37] <gnomefreak> would it be using 2.0 gnome-support?
[00:37] <gnomefreak> i wouldnt think so
[00:37] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Minefield-with-gnome.png
[00:38] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, no, firefox-3.0-gnome-support & xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support
[00:38] <[reed]> Ubulette: yeah, I think the bookmark toolbar issue is mozilla bug 403743
[00:38] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 403743 in Toolbars "Bookmark toolbar items don't show up even though they are accessible in the Bookmark Toolbar Folder" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403743
[00:38] <gnomefreak> i dont have neither
[00:39] <Ubulette> Error: uncaught exception: [Exception... "'[JavaScript Error: "this._result is null" {file: "chrome://browser/content/places/toolbar.xml" line: 357}]' when calling method: [nsIController::isCommandEnabled]"  nsresult: "0x80570021 (NS_ERROR_XPC_JAVASCRIPT_ERROR_WITH_DETAILS)"  location: "JS frame :: chrome://browser/content/places/controller.js :: updatePlacesCommand :: line 1644"  data: yes]
[00:40] <Ubulette> ok, it's mozilla bug 403854
[00:41] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 403854 in Search "Removing searchbar or location bar breaks many things" [Normal,Assigned] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403854
[00:41] <[reed]> yeah, so that should be reviewed and landed for tomorrow's nightliews
[00:41] <[reed]> -w
[00:42] <Ubulette> i don't like the new icons at all
[00:42] <Ubulette> the two arrows look weird when you hover them
[00:43] <Ubulette> is it really supposed to look native ???
[00:43] <[reed]> the tab scrolling arrows?
[00:43] <[reed]> or what?
[00:44] <[reed]> what arrows?
[00:44] <[reed]> back/forward?
[00:44] <Ubulette> b/f
[00:45] <[reed]> what's the proper way of doing things?
[00:45] <[reed]> you should file bugs :)
[00:47] <Ubulette> i can't take a screenshot showing that hovering thing
[00:48] <Ubulette> the border of the arrow when hovered is complete, the one of the smaller arrow on the right (for history) has only 3 sides
[00:48] <Ubulette> that looks weird to me
[00:49] <[reed]> can you not use "Take Screenshot" and set a delay?
[00:49] <Ubulette> the close button of tabs disappear when hovered
[00:49] <Ubulette> even with delay, the hovering is not visible
[00:50] <Ubulette> i've tried twice
[00:50] <[reed]> lame
[00:50] <Ubulette> sorry
[00:50] <[reed]> so, you should file all these issues in bugzilla
[00:50] <[reed]> so we can fix them :)
[00:52] <Ubulette> close button doesn't seem vertically centered: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/tabs.png
[00:53] <gnomefreak> firefox hates me
[00:53] <[reed]> Ubulette: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org :)
[00:53] <[reed]> please file
[00:53] <Ubulette> well, i have enough bugs opened everywhere. i usually don't care much about color/theme. Here, i was just used to the previous ones
[00:54] <[reed]> well, people really want it native
[00:54] <[reed]> so, that's what we're doing
[00:54] <[reed]> with new Tango icons making up stuff that gtk stock icons doesn't have
[00:54] <[reed]> http://tango.freedesktop.org/Firefox
[00:55] <Ubulette> no offense intended. i know it's important for end users. i'm just not representative of the mass ;)
[00:55] <gnomefreak> http://i9.tinypic.com/7xui9w5.png
[00:55] <gnomefreak> that is with b2 upstream
[00:55] <gnomefreak> ubuntu doesnt use tango by default
[00:56] <gnomefreak> atleast not yet
[00:56] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, yep, i see the same now. i fixed my toolbar by adding a search bar
[00:56] <gnomefreak> toolbar wont fix your icons though
[00:57] <gnomefreak> default ubuntu themes firefox 3.0* shows icons fine
[00:57] <gnomefreak> flash is working on pissing me off something awfulol
[00:58] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/FF3-Unresponsive-script.png
[00:58] <Ubulette> this is weird too
[00:58] <gnomefreak> its not 3.0 thats stuck its 2.0 here
[00:58] <gnomefreak> cant do shit
[00:58] <gnomefreak> tinypic is freezing me up
[00:58] <gnomefreak> cant open term to kill ff
[00:58] <Ubulette> lol
[00:59] <[reed]> Ubulette: yeah, we've had some people complaining that the unresponsive script thing comes up at odd times
[01:00] <Ubulette> i'm talking about the icons
[01:00] <Ubulette> stop is green and continue red ?
[01:00] <Ubulette> counter intuitive
[01:02] <[reed]> Ubulette: oh, lol
[01:02] <[reed]> I didn't notice that
[01:03] <gnomefreak> ok asac sunbird is fixed firefox broken sb fixed :(
[01:45] <Ubulette> asac, I've patched xulrunner and seamonkey to ifdef that part
[01:54] <Ubulette> i've created mozilla bug 403994
[01:54] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 403994 in Build Config "Don't install nss headers when sysytem-nss is used" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403994
[01:55] <Ubulette> oops, sysytem
[01:55] <Ubulette> mozilla bug 403994
[01:55] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 403994 in Build Config "Don't install nss headers when system-nss is used" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403994
[01:56] <Ubulette> better
[02:28] <[reed]> oh
[02:28] <[reed]> that's you
[02:28] <[reed]> :p
[02:29] <Ubulette> ?
[02:29] <[reed]> Ubulette: so, you need to request review
[02:29] <Hobbsee> erm...how do i run firefox-3.0?  i'm getting an error
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Could not find compatible GRE between version 1.9a8 and 1.9a8.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> (hardy)
[02:30] <Ubulette> you probably have a bad xul install
[02:30] <Hobbsee> how would i go about fixing that?
[02:31] <Ubulette> which version of xulrunner-1.9 do you have ?
[02:31] <Ubulette> (dpkg -l xulrunner-1.9)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Setting up xulrunner-1.9 (1.9~b1~rc3+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) ...
[02:31] <Ubulette> oh
[02:31] <Hobbsee> not up to date?
[02:32] <Ubulette> it's just that firefox-3.0 b1 rc3 has not been built
[02:32] <Ubulette> it's still stuck in the merge flood
[02:32] <Hobbsee>   Installed: 3.0~alpha8+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[02:32] <Ubulette> yep
[02:32] <Hobbsee> oh, crumbs you're right
[02:32] <Ubulette> that's why
[02:32] <Hobbsee> ok, will try to shove.  i want buildd admin powers dammit.
[02:32] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+builds?build_text=firefox-3.0&build_state=all
[02:33] <Hobbsee> damn edge.  stop timing out on me!
[02:34] <Ubulette> [reed], i never know which knob to select so i usually wait forever :p
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:34]  * Hobbsee is too familiar with edge :(
[02:34] <Ubulette> but as i merge my patches directly here, it doesn't matter much
[02:34] <Ubulette> Hobbsee ??
[02:35] <Hobbsee> it often times out on me.
[02:35] <[reed]> Ubulette: it matters to us
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Ubulette: right, problem solved.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Ubulette: btw, you had a dpkg patch ages ago.  iwj told me some stuff about it, but i've no idea what it was - about why some parts werent wise.
[02:36] <Hobbsee> you may want to ask him
[02:36] <Ubulette> Hobbsee, i have tons of patches everywhere, most of them are beeing ignored
[02:37] <Hobbsee> are the sponsorship teams subscribed to them?
[02:37] <Ubulette> i have no idea
[02:37] <Hobbsee> if not, that's why.
[02:37] <Ubulette> as i run my patches anyway
[02:37] <Ubulette> i have my own builder
[02:37] <Hobbsee> (ubuntu-universe-sponsors, ubuntu-main-sponsors, as the package requires)
[02:38] <Hobbsee> hardly helpful for anyone else, though.
[02:39] <Ubulette> well, i file bugs and post patches, that should be enough. if maintainers don't care to even have a look, why should i ?
[02:39] <Ubulette> all my patches are public
[02:39] <Hobbsee> ubuntu doesnt have maintainers.  i thought you'd been around enough to know this.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> that's *why* we have a sponship queue
[02:40] <Ubulette> i'm running linux since 1991 so I know
[02:40] <Hobbsee> at last count, i think everyone in ~ubuntu-dev (and not all are active), have around 800 packages each.
[02:40] <Ubulette> and debian since 1996
[02:40] <Hobbsee> oddly enough, they probably don't see all of them.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised you don't file to debian, as they do actually have maintainers.
[02:41] <Ubulette> i'm no longer interested by debian.
[02:42] <Ubulette> i'm still running it on a dozen servers but no more on desktops
[02:42]  * Hobbsee wonders just how many patches there are which arent on the sponsorship queue.
[02:43] <Ubulette> no idea
[02:43] <Hobbsee> 1425, apparently.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> modulo dupes, and not-real-patches.
[02:44] <Ubulette> good, ff3 is building now. did you do something or is it just happening now ?
[02:44] <Hobbsee> yes, i poked the relevant people
[02:45] <Hobbsee> it wasn't going to happen for ages, otherwise.
[02:45] <Ubulette> excellent
[02:45] <Ubulette> thx
[02:46] <Hobbsee> no problem.  things work well, when done in effective ways
[02:50] <Ubulette> fortunately, ff3 is fast to build now
[02:50] <Ubulette> 3 or 4 minutes instead of 1 hour
[02:51] <Hobbsee> wow, 8 mins.
[02:51] <Ubulette> that's mostly the chroot upgrade + builddeps install
[02:51] <Ubulette> I build locally in 1 minute
[02:51] <Hobbsee> yup
[02:52]  * Hobbsee ponders.  wait for the binaries to become available, or nuke the debs.
[02:53] <[reed]> you build a clobber build in 1 minute?
[02:55] <[reed]> oh, huh
[02:55] <Ubulette> ff with libxul
[02:55] <Ubulette> xul still takes 1h though ;)
[02:56] <[reed]> k, thought so :p
[02:58] <Ubulette> ok, pushing seamonkey2 to my ppa, and going to bed, it's 4am here
[03:00] <[reed]>    [ Alexander Sack ]
[03:00] <[reed]>    * Use granparadiso branding for alpha and beta builds and official branding
[03:00] <[reed]>      for final builds:
[03:00] <[reed]>      - update debian/rules
[03:00] <[reed]> asac: er?
[03:00] <[reed]> why Gran Paradiso branding on beta?
[03:01] <[reed]> official builds will be official branding
[03:01] <[reed]> for betas
[03:01] <Ubulette> that's what I've said too
[03:01] <Ubulette> but it's b1 rc3, so asac prefered to revert my change
[03:02] <[reed]> well, it's just going to make you all look odd!
[03:02] <[reed]> :p
[03:02] <Ubulette> b1 final will automatically have the official branding
[03:02] <[reed]> ah
[03:02] <[reed]> and how will rc3 be different from final?
[03:03] <Ubulette> we don't know. we'll see when the tarball will be available
[03:03] <Ubulette> here, I just fetched the rc3 tag from cvs
[03:04] <Ubulette> problem is, there's no official tarballs for xulrunner
[03:06] <Hobbsee> ooh, shiny :)
[03:06] <Ubulette> does it work ?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:08] <Hobbsee> themes and such arent updated, though
[03:08] <Ubulette> most are just not compatible so they are there but disabled
[03:09] <Hobbsee> i wonder if it can be fooled with the nightly tester tools, as 2.x was
[03:09] <Ubulette> you can fool that with a key
[03:10] <Hobbsee> haha, nice.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> new about:config window warning.
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Ubulette: presumably extensions.lastAppVersion?
[03:12] <Hobbsee> nope, that didn't work
[03:12] <Hobbsee> which key do i want?
[03:19] <Ubulette> i don't remember and the about:config is broken in minefield. cpu over the roof
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hm.
[03:19]  * Hobbsee assumes that the current minefield is quite far aawy from the beta, then.
[03:19] <[reed]> ?
[03:19] <[reed]> not reall
[03:19] <[reed]> really
[03:19] <[reed]> Ubulette: about:config wfm
[03:20] <[reed]> Minefield doesn't have many problems
[03:20] <Ubulette> it's the 1st time is doesn't work
[03:20] <Hobbsee> woot!  extensions!
[03:20] <Hobbsee> switftabs, how i love thee!  :D
[03:21] <Ubulette> [reed], cpu rockets for a while, then the popup asks me if I want to continue or kill the script
[03:21] <[reed]> strange
[03:21] <[reed]> any extensions?
[03:22] <Ubulette> not much, mostly tabmix+ and adblock+
[03:22] <Hobbsee> erk, tabmix+
[03:23] <[reed]> adblockplus is compatible with Minefield
[03:23]  * Hobbsee had that crashing even on 2.0
[03:23] <[reed]> is tabmix+ ?
[03:23] <Ubulette> the dev one is in sync with trunk usually
[03:32] <Hobbsee> uh oh, apparently using history tab complete is a bad idea.
[03:32] <Ubulette> tabs look weird in trunk... or at least, different. maybe it's tabmix+ fault. i'm daily building firefox so i'll see if it improves :)
[03:33] <Ubulette> bed time for me. 'night guys
[04:52] <PoofDaddy> Is this a chan to ask questions on Thunderbird?
[05:02] <tonyyarusso> PoofDaddy: it's mostly development-related, actually, but given that nobody's having real discussions right now, I guess you could try.  (#ubuntu-offtopic, oddly enough, is often successful for TB stuff too)
[05:03] <PoofDaddy> I'll give it try.
[11:31] <bluekuja> Ubulette, are you around?
[11:50] <Ubulette> HI
[11:50] <Ubulette> bluekuja, ping
[11:51] <bluekuja> Ubulette, heya
[11:51] <bluekuja> can you please test something for me?
[11:51] <bluekuja> it's a 5 min work
[11:51] <bluekuja> so I can finally move to sm
[11:53] <Ubulette> tell me
[11:53] <bluekuja> download http://incoming.ibluepaper.com/diff-ext_0.2.3-2_i386.deb
[11:53] <bluekuja> then
[11:53] <bluekuja> install it
[11:53] <bluekuja> then do
[11:53] <bluekuja> killall nautilus
[11:53] <bluekuja> and then right click on a folder/file
[11:53] <bluekuja> does it crash or works fine?
[11:53] <bluekuja> :)
[11:54] <Ubulette> does is matter if i run nautilus HEAD ?
[11:54] <bluekuja> I guess no
[11:54] <Ubulette> i'm far ahead of hardy for most of gnome
[11:54] <Ubulette> ok, give me 5 min, i was on something.
[11:55] <bluekuja> ok
[12:03] <Ubulette> done
[12:03] <Ubulette> no crash
[12:03] <Ubulette> but it does nothing.
[12:04] <Ubulette> i right click on a file, select "Compare later"
[12:04] <Ubulette> right click another file, select "Compare to my1stfile..."
[12:05] <Ubulette> nothing happens
[12:05] <Ubulette> bluekuja, ^^
[12:05] <bluekuja> yes, it's ok
[12:05] <bluekuja> :)
[12:05] <bluekuja> but no crashes?
[12:05] <bluekuja> right?
[12:07] <bluekuja> you need to setup everything
[12:07] <bluekuja> to have it working
[12:08] <Ubulette> ? it's not automatic ?
[12:10] <bluekuja> nope
[12:10] <bluekuja> you have to select a file comparison tool
[12:11] <bluekuja> from the configuration program
[12:11] <Ubulette> how am i supposed to know ?
[12:11] <bluekuja> by reading docs
[12:11] <bluekuja> ^^
[12:12] <Ubulette> you should provide a default conf that does something
[12:12] <Ubulette> here, it's just confusing
[12:12] <bluekuja> I gonna add a README then
[12:12] <Ubulette> do you know many users who read docs ? I don't
[12:12] <bluekuja> they should
[12:12] <Ubulette> lol
[12:12] <bluekuja> lol
[12:13] <Ubulette> i started the setup tool (difficult to find), clicked on about, I can't close the about dialog
[12:13] <bluekuja> it's a known bug
[12:13] <bluekuja> will be fixed
[12:13] <bluekuja> :)
[12:16] <Ubulette> setting /usr/bin/diff didn't work. should it be a gui ?
[12:16] <bluekuja> yes
[12:16] <Ubulette> so i'm doomed
[12:16] <bluekuja> lol
[12:17] <bluekuja> it have to be a gui
[12:17] <bluekuja> you can use meld
[12:17] <bluekuja> it works fine
[12:17] <bluekuja> brb -- lunch
[12:27] <bluekuja> bak
[12:27] <bluekuja> *back
[12:27] <bluekuja> Ubulette, anyway the docs are inside
[12:27] <bluekuja> and usually an user is supposed to read them
[12:27] <bluekuja> before using an application
[12:27] <bluekuja> if not why ppl include them?
[12:28] <bluekuja> ;)
[12:29] <Ubulette> as you want, i just think that it should work by default
[12:29] <bluekuja> actually I cannot say an user what's the best diff comparison tool to use
[12:30] <bluekuja> and plus it should depends on tons of packages
[12:30] <bluekuja> so avoid ppl to search them
[12:31] <bluekuja> but it's just a 2 steps work
[12:31] <bluekuja> 1) configure
[12:31] <bluekuja> 2) compare
[12:31] <bluekuja> not really hard
[12:32] <Ubulette> not much, it's a an for nautilus which is already heavy on deps. so just dep on meld | diff-gui, let meld have a diversion to diff-gui and just pre configure diff-gui as default diff for your extension. any other differ could implement the same diversion
[12:33] <Ubulette> s/a an/an ext/
[12:33] <bluekuja> that's true as well
[12:33] <bluekuja> I should ack upstream files
[12:33] <bluekuja> to get a default configuration
[12:33] <bluekuja> I'll talk with the main developer
[12:33] <bluekuja> to see what he thinks about that
[12:34] <Ubulette> it's a packaging decision. upstream should not be concerned/impacted much
[12:34] <bluekuja> yes, but having a default configuration
[12:34] <bluekuja> should concern modifing upstream files
[12:34] <Ubulette> we do that for everything
[12:34] <bluekuja> yep
[12:35] <bluekuja> Ubulette, do you have a debian unstable machine as well?
[12:35] <Ubulette> not anymore
[12:35] <Ubulette> just servers
[12:36] <bluekuja> ah damn
[12:36] <Ubulette> my own desktops were debian unstable for 10 years
[12:36] <bluekuja> really?
[12:36] <Ubulette> yes
[12:38] <Ubulette> I never had to reinstall the system. just regular upgrades
[12:38] <bluekuja> amazing
[12:38] <bluekuja> :)
[12:38] <Ubulette> sometimes dirty ones but i always managed
[12:40] <Ubulette> same for ubuntu. I've jumped on the dev ones the day they opened
[12:41] <Ubulette> anyway, no crash with your stuff
[12:41] <bluekuja> perfect
[12:41] <bluekuja> now I need an unstable test
[12:41] <bluekuja> and It can be uploaded
[12:45] <Ubulette> damn, another lang pack flood in the ppa
[12:45] <bluekuja> aww
[12:48] <Ubulette> ~500 debs
[12:48] <bluekuja> 0_0
[12:48] <Ubulette> not debs but packages
[12:59] <Ubulette> [reed], i've tried to ask for review for my nss patch from yesterday. not sure i did it right
[13:00] <Ubulette> damn, seamonkey2 i386 is stuck in the flood in ppa.
[13:02] <Ubulette> rhelmer, do you have any idea if there's an ETA for prism 0.9 ?
[13:03] <Ubulette> rhelmer, I want to have a release for ubuntu hardy as cvs is not welcome
[14:31] <Ubulette> asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=614647
[14:38] <Ubulette> bluekuja, any progress with sm1 ?
[14:39] <bluekuja> Ubulette, for this evening
[14:39] <bluekuja> yes
[14:39] <Ubulette> ok
[14:43] <asac> Ubulette: ffox 3 is built
[14:43] <asac> you probably already noticed ;)
[14:43] <Ubulette> i know
[14:44] <Ubulette> Hobbsee wanted it yesterday so he pulled the right string
[14:44] <asac> Hobbsee == she
[14:45] <asac> she is buildd admin as well from what i know
[14:45] <Ubulette> she ? really ? excellent
[14:45] <asac> yeah
[14:45] <asac> sarah hobbs
[14:56] <asac> Ubulette: i think we should make libxul*pc Require: mozilla-nss and then create a link mozilla-nss.pc => nss.pc in case we use system-nss/nspr
[14:57] <asac> otherwise the headers are missing in epiphy
[14:58] <Ubulette> so you want to hack the pc files using debian/rules ?
[14:58] <asac> not sure ... i think in that way we can contribute it upstream
[14:58] <asac> or patch the .pc.in files
[14:59] <asac> including xul headers without nspr usually means build failure ... so having it without that Requires is just good luck that in some cases the nspr/nss headers are shipped in the same directory
[15:00] <Ubulette> that kind of things is distro specific, i don't see how upstream could accept that
[15:06] <asac> Ubulette: its not really upstream specific... its just out of luck that they ship the headers in the same directory
[15:07] <Ubulette> maybe that could be changed
[15:07] <asac> its not the default for them, but it semantically makes sense ... they ship mozilla-nss.pc ... and -nspr.pc so why not express the dependency properly
[15:08] <Ubulette> they ship mozilla-nss.pc ? you sure ?
[15:08] <asac> well .. its not invented by us ... we just run make install and have it, right?
[15:21] <Ubulette> hmm, no anymore
[15:21] <Ubulette> http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsview2.cgi?diff_mode=context&whitespace_mode=show&file=Makefile.in&branch=&root=/cvsroot&subdir=/mozilla/build/unix&command=DIFF_FRAMESET&rev1=1.29&rev2=1.30
[15:21] <Ubulette> asac, this is mozilla bug 389673
[15:21] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 389673 in Build Config "Fix "make install" to copy from dist/ rather than recursive makefile traversal" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389673
[15:22] <Ubulette> s/no/not/
[15:22] <Ubulette> (i really need a new keyboard and a new mouse)
[15:22] <Ubulette> and new hands too to come with those ;)
[15:23] <asac> hehe
[15:24] <asac> Ubulette: when was that checkin?
[15:24] <asac> Ubulette: i mean i still have that .pc files installed from what i know
[15:24] <Ubulette> 2007-08-03 07:46
[15:24] <asac> i think that patch is just to remove the manual make install thing
[15:25] <Ubulette> i still see xulrunner-1.9-1.9~b2~cvs20071115t1159+nobinonly/mozilla/xulrunner/installer/mozilla-nss.pc.in but it's no longer installed/used
[15:25] <Ubulette> well, maybe it is, but not with system nss
[15:26] <asac> yes ... but for that case its like i proposed :)
[15:26] <asac> create link to real system one ... and always Requires: mozilla-nss
[15:28] <asac> $ dpkg -L xulrunner-1.9-dev | grep mozilla-nss
[15:28] <asac> /usr/lib/pkgconfig/mozilla-nss-1.9.pc
[15:28] <asac> thats for the a8 in gutsy
[15:29] <asac> maybe it would be better to produce the proper path in system-nss/nspr case though
[15:30] <asac> e.g. ship a good mozilla-nss in all cases
[15:32] <Ubulette> do we ever want to be able to install two sdk at once ?
[15:33] <asac> i doubt that
[15:33] <asac> why?
[15:33] <asac> the .pc files would conflict anyway
[15:33] <Ubulette> that's why i ask
[15:34] <Ubulette> upstream allows to install as many sdk as you want
[15:34] <asac> yeah ... i see the .pc files the single point of stableness developers need to figure out build paths et al
[15:34] <asac> how does upstream do that? i mean its not us that install those .pc files in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ .. its the upstream behaviour
[15:35] <Ubulette> we're close to allow one xulrunner per branch, but only one sdk
[15:35] <asac> yes .. but i am sure thats the same for upstream ... one sdk per major bracnh
[15:35] <asac> e.g. 1.8 sdk + 1.9 sdk is good
[15:35] <asac> and since they don't even have the version in pc files its just one sdk at once for them
[17:18] <Ubulette> good. seamonkey2 has finally been built in my ppa.
[17:19] <asac> great :)
[17:35] <Ubulette> asac, what's your status with python/xul1.9 ? jamino bloged about it
[17:37] <gnomefreak> i was just thinking why do we keep xpcom, afaik its cross-platform components and we dont build cross platform unless it is used for 32 64 ppc since we dont build for windows
[17:39] <gnomefreak> asac: also you can grab sunbird from http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=663 and push its all good and been tested here
[17:40] <gnomefreak> oh and for some damn reason firefox isnt remembering the settings for the pop up warnings about encryped pages ect.
[17:41] <gnomefreak> yay 60 updates
[17:43] <gnomefreak> make that 73
[17:43] <Ubulette_sm2> hmm.. chatzilla in seamonkey2 has an empty user list
[17:44] <gnomefreak> suprise you?
[17:44] <Ubulette_sm2> and the issue with localization of wallet is still there
[17:44] <gnomefreak> wallet is still giving issues?
[17:45] <Ubulette_sm2> it's obsolete, supposed to be removed
[17:45] <Ubulette_sm2> firefox did it a while ago
[17:45] <gnomefreak> already?
[17:45] <gnomefreak> firefox had wallet?
[17:45] <Ubulette_sm2> up to ff2, yes
[17:45]  * gnomefreak is now confused
[17:46] <gnomefreak> what does it use now?
[17:46]  * gnomefreak thinking wallet is what saved info/passwords ect..
[17:47] <Ubulette_sm2> indeed
[17:47] <gnomefreak> what took its place?
[17:47] <gnomefreak> i know 3.0 offers to save passwords in a dialog at top of page but not sure what its called
[17:48] <Ubulette_sm2> satchel
[17:48] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[17:49] <Ubulette_sm2> mozilla bug 390025
[17:49] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 390025 in XP Apps "Move to LoginManager and remove wallet from SeaMonkey" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=390025
[17:49] <Ubulette_sm2> here it is
[17:50] <Ubulette_sm2> not very active :(
[17:50] <gnomefreak> can we remove it atleast until upstream does? or we would have to remove it and provide something in place
[17:50] <Ubulette_sm2> there's an issue with localization of wallet so it's too bad it's not moving
[17:53] <gnomefreak> this isnt good
[18:00] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: did you see bug 162723 (i ask since i know you worked ass off on xulrunner-1.9)
[18:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162723 in xulrunner-1.9 "xulrunner-1.9 build leaves orphaned find processes, hangs buildds" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162723
[18:00] <Ubulette> oops
[18:01] <Ubulette> i meant to say; hmm no
[18:05] <Ubulette> ok, i'll handle that
[18:09] <Ubulette> i'm trying to do some ajax in xul, that's giving me headaches
[18:19]  * gnomefreak will be back later
[18:27] <Ubulette_> http://www.cnet.com/surveillance-state/8301-13739_1-9813407-46.html
[18:28] <Ubulette_> http://shaver.off.net/diary/2007/11/16/correction-mozilla-stopbadware-and-google/
[18:38] <Ubulette_> http://ascher.ca/blog/2007/11/16/open-source-peer-to-peer-transportation-systems/
[18:38] <Ubulette_> that's what I'm using to commute everyday
[18:47] <asac> Ubulette_: bug 162723
[18:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162723 in xulrunner-1.9 "xulrunner-1.9 build leaves orphaned find processes, hangs buildds" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162723
[18:47] <asac> ??
[18:49] <Ubulette_> maybe the redirection you've added
[18:49] <Ubulette_> never been an issue for my bot
[18:49] <Ubulette_> it monitors orphaned processes too
[18:49] <asac> Ubulette_: well ... i did nothing like that before upload
[18:50] <Ubulette_> i don't know it's new
[18:50] <Ubulette_> i don't think it's new
[18:50] <Ubulette_> (my hands are typing things that my brain never ordered)
[18:51] <asac> hehe
[18:52] <Ubulette_> btw, i've trying to ping elmo to discuss that bug, no answer so far
[18:53] <asac> Ubulette_: he has stated that its clear to him :)
[18:53] <Ubulette_> tried
[18:53] <asac> good luck in pinging elmo
[18:53] <Ubulette_> god, what's happening to me ?
[18:53] <Ubulette_> why ?
[18:54] <asac> Ubulette_: nevermind ... he often had high latency in the past:)
[18:55] <asac> why the hell would they orphan? ... i had something like that yesterday on my system before I had to reboot ... e.g. lots of those finds dangling around
[18:55] <asac> i thought i had killed the make with -KILL
[18:57] <asac> Ubulette_: i get
[18:57] <asac> test -d mozilla/_tests && rm -rf mozilla/_tests ; \ test -d mozilla/staticlib && rm -rf mozilla/staticlib ; \ find mozilla -type f -name \*.pyc -exec rm {} \; &> /dev/null; \ find mozilla -type l -exec rm {} \; &> /dev/null
[18:57] <asac> rm -f debian/xulrunner-1.9.postinst debian/xulrunner-1.9.prerm
[18:57] <asac> when running just debian/rules clean
[18:57] <asac> asac@ubun:/tmp/xulrunner-1.9-1.9~a8$ semop(1): encountered an error: Invalid argument
[18:57] <asac> semop(2): encountered an error: Invalid argument
[18:58] <Ubulette_> my bot:
[18:58] <Ubulette_> rm -f debian/stamp-autotools-files
[18:58] <Ubulette_> test -d mozilla/_tests && rm -rf mozilla/_tests ; \
[18:58] <Ubulette_> 	test -d mozilla/staticlib && rm -rf mozilla/staticlib ; \
[18:58] <Ubulette_> 	find mozilla -type f -name \*.pyc -exec rm {} \; &> /dev/null; \
[18:58] <Ubulette_> 	find mozilla -type l -exec rm {} \; &> /dev/null
[18:58] <Ubulette_>  dpkg-source -b xulrunner-1.9-1.9~b2~cvs20071116t0151+bbot
[18:58] <Ubulette_> semop(1): encountered an error: Invalid argument
[18:58] <Ubulette_> semop(1): encountered an error: Invalid argument
[18:58] <Ubulette_> dpkg-source: building xulrunner-1.9 using existing xulrunner-1.9_1.9~b2~cvs20071116t0151+bbot.orig.tar.gz
[18:58] <asac> yeah ... what are those semop things?
[18:58] <asac> maybe > is used for seomthing in make?
[19:00] <Ubulette_> let me check when it started
[19:01] <asac> ok apparently its really &>
[19:02] <Ubulette_> cvs20070925t0251
[19:02] <asac> we need to use > /dev/null 2>&1
[19:02] <asac> that works here without semop
[19:02] <Ubulette_> cvs20070924t0733 was ok
[19:02] <Ubulette_> yep, i told you that. in pure sh, &> is not supported
[19:02] <asac>         find $(DEB_SRCDIR) -type f -name \*.pyc -exec rm {} \; > /dev/null 2>&1 ;\
[19:03] <asac>         find $(DEB_SRCDIR) -type l -exec rm {} \; > /dev/null 2>&1
[19:03] <asac> k
[19:03] <asac> but is this the problem?
[19:03] <asac> most likely i guess
[19:03] <Ubulette_> that's at best a bashism, for me it's in fact csh syntax
[19:04] <Ubulette_> well, no csh/tcsh use >& and |&
[19:04] <asac> well in dash it works
[19:04] <asac> echo hallo &> /dev/null
[19:04] <asac> doesn't give me semop
[19:04] <Ubulette_> try that when invoked as /bin/sh
[19:05] <Ubulette_> and nohup
[19:05] <asac> ok its really backgrounded
[19:05] <asac> ok ... wanna add that fix?
[19:05] <Ubulette_> i can do it
[19:05] <asac> like above?
[19:05] <asac> thanks
[19:05] <Ubulette_> ok
[19:06] <asac> set it to fix committed and add the .dev branch to the bug then.
[19:06] <Ubulette_> btw, i've created a xul.head branch yesterday
[19:06] <Ubulette_> i need that to fix, hmm, xul head :)
[19:06] <Ubulette_> needed
[19:06] <Ubulette_> i'm merge in dev later
[19:07] <Ubulette_> i'll
[19:07] <Ubulette_> gasp
[19:07] <asac> after b1 i guess
[19:07] <Ubulette_> yes
[19:07] <asac> we could have greated a b1 branch and keep main dev on .dev
[19:07] <asac> s/gr/cr/
[19:09] <Ubulette_> that's what I wanted to do with the non dev branch but you complained
[19:14] <Ubulette_> asac, pushed to xul.dev : http://paste.ubuntu.com/2034/
[19:15] <Ubulette_> if you want to push, feel free
[19:16] <Ubulette_> well, i've committed assuming you'll sponsor it immediately
[19:24] <Ubulette_> asac, ok, elmo seems happy
[19:32] <Ubulette_> asac, about prism, any objection to push a cvs release ? we'll get a real release before hardy is out for sure. problems with this one (0.7) are 1/ real source tarball is not available and 2/ it has been released for win only, then weeks later for linux/mac.. so it's not the same sources.
[19:47] <asac> i have to hand this computer over to my gf for a few
[19:57] <rhelmer> Ubulette: i'll find out about 0.9
[19:57] <Ubulette> rhelmer, cool, thx
[19:57] <rhelmer> Ubulette: there's a #prism channel on irc, i'll see if anyone has plans yet
[19:58] <rhelmer> on irc.mozilla.org that is
[20:03] <Ubulette> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/2035/
[20:03] <Ubulette> xul failed
[20:07] <Ubulette> seems fixed
[20:08] <Ubulette> hmm, nope
[21:25] <asac> Ubulette: unless something else pops up i would rather wait till beta is out
[21:25] <asac> Ubulette: about prism: yeah ... we can get this up
[21:26] <asac> Ubulette: maybe try to get the package sponsored the ubuntu way though ... of course, only if you are interested to become a motu at some point
[21:27] <asac> so you have me + bluekuja + whoever that can vouch for you before the council
[21:27] <Ubulette> if it means doing more politics than packaging, i'm not sure.
[21:27] <asac> Ubulette: he?
[21:28] <asac> Ubulette: no its just the easiest way to get people to vouch for you ... its not about policits, just multiple persons that can confirm your technical supremacy
[21:29] <asac> so did xul fail now?
[21:29] <asac> or did this resolve on its own?
[21:31] <Ubulette> i'm discussing with the owner of the patch
[21:39] <gnomefreak> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[21:39] <gnomefreak> dpkg-source: failure: gzip gave error exit status 1
[21:39] <gnomefreak> bzr: ERROR: The build failed.
[21:39] <gnomefreak> that has got to suck
[21:41] <gnomefreak> ah i found it
[21:49] <Ubulette> motu seems to just be about doing merges or/and learning about how to do debs
[21:49] <Ubulette> i think i already know how to do both
[21:53] <gnomefreak> asac: sunbird is done iceape is in the works for gutsy
[21:55] <Ubulette> i don't see anything related to what i'm doing in the motu/todo list
[21:55] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: sort of yes that is about it but becoming motu give you access to upload to universe/multiverse
[22:00] <asac> Ubulette: you do new packages :)
[22:00] <asac> Ubulette: thats revu
[22:00] <asac> then you maintain them
[22:01] <asac> but indeed ... maybe you should rather become a debian NM :)
[22:03] <Ubulette> no, thanks. i have enough already.
[22:08] <gnomefreak> dpkg-source sucks big time :(
[22:09] <gnomefreak> it cant overwrite folders nor can it name it something else
[22:10] <gnomefreak> seems i fixed it
[22:12] <gnomefreak> yep i fixed it, ill be back later to check on it, building bins before pushing
[22:24] <Ubulette> xulrunner 1.8.1.4-2ubuntu5 	1.8.1.9-1 	1.8.1.4-2
[22:24] <Ubulette> that one i can merge :)
[22:24] <asac> Ubulette: yeah ... go ahead
[22:25] <asac> read merge-o-matic instructions ... and just do it :)
[22:25] <Ubulette> maybe not, i'll not be able to resist cleaning it
[22:25] <asac> then ask on motu for someone to sponsor :)
[22:25] <asac> Ubulette: one virtue is to stick to things that suck :)
[22:25] <asac> Ubulette: but we should really do it .. i already see motus that have no idea wiping the alternative change we made
[22:26] <asac> or even worse things like resurrecting the old python patch ... or whatever :)
[22:26] <asac> Ubulette: who is listed as mergeee?
[22:26] <asac> is it me?
[22:26] <Ubulette> you
[22:26] <asac> ok if you want go ahead :)
[22:27] <asac> usually one should ping the last uploader because otherwise they will complain ... like \sh did for seamonkey ;)
[22:27] <asac> aeh kaze
[22:28] <asac> Ubulette: if there are things you want to clean up ... post a bug to mike :)
[22:38] <Ubulette> -  * debian/patches/99configure.dpatch: Updated and added nsprpub/configure.in
[22:38] <Ubulette> +  * debian/patches/99_configure.dpatch: Updated and added nsprpub/configure.in
[22:38] <Ubulette> everywhere
[22:38] <Ubulette> that's considered cosmetic
[22:39] <Ubulette> I guess we have to accept that
[22:40] <asac> out getting cigarrettes
[23:04] <Ubulette> we build-depend on ecj, not debian
[23:25] <asac> Ubulette: hmm ... maybewe build java xpcom?
[23:26] <Ubulette> am i only supposed to look at the conflicts ?
[23:26] <Ubulette> basically, control and 99_configure
[23:26] <Ubulette> i solved that
[23:26] <Ubulette> and i've dropped a patch
[23:27] <Ubulette>   - drop debian/patches/68_python25_api_breakage.dpatch adopted by Debian as
[23:27] <Ubulette>     debian/patches/35_python_2.5.dpatch
[23:27] <Ubulette>   - update 00list
[23:27] <Ubulette>   - update debian/patches/99_configure.dpatch
[23:27] <Ubulette> everything else has been done by the script
[23:29] <Ubulette> well, that's no good. that f*g script reverted our stuff
[23:31] <Ubulette> hmm maybe not
[23:48] <Ubulette> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/2041/
[23:48] <Ubulette> oh, and maintainer
[23:49] <Ubulette> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>, why not mt ?
[23:51] <asac> well its not really something we want to be responsible for ... do we?
[23:52] <Ubulette> no
[23:52] <asac> keeing MOTU means that motus will take a look at bugs and all :)
[23:52] <asac> otherwise it will end up on our plate ;)
[23:54] <Ubulette> i'm done, i'll build it completely