[00:00] <ronnie> oh they are, I'll look for way to add it in then
[00:02] <heavenlyblade101> man, idk how to get my heatsink off
[00:03] <evil_tech> unless it is a crappy one there should be a tab on one side or the other to stick a screwdriver in
[00:03] <evil_tech> push down and out
[00:03] <zoredache> that would depend on how it got on...  Some evil manfuacturers attach the heatsink to the cpu with thermal glue
[00:04] <evil_tech> yeah that sucks too
[00:04] <evil_tech> dell is notorious for it
[00:04] <evil_tech> as is compaq and hp on their p4 systems
[00:05] <heavenlyblade101> dude, this thing has melted white stuff on it
[00:05] <heavenlyblade101> so do you think the cpu is fried?
[00:06] <evil_tech> thats the thermal paste
[00:07] <evil_tech> you'll want to wipe that stuff off of the proc and heatsink and apply new
[00:07] <heavenlyblade101> i dont need it, its got the metal clasp for it
[00:07] <zoredache> you DO need it
[00:08] <evil_tech> inspect the proc too for discoloration and obvious burn marks
[00:08] <heavenlyblade101> what is it needed for?
[00:08] <evil_tech> that provides a medium for the heat to go through
[00:08] <zoredache> it is needed because the heatsink and cpu is not perfectly flat, and the heatsink compound fills the air-gap
[00:08] <evil_tech> otherwise the heatsink is pretty much useless
[00:09] <zoredache> air is horrible as heat conductor
[00:09] <evil_tech> yup yup
[00:10] <heavenlyblade101> lol, well i guess i'm f*cked cuz i dont have any of it
[00:11] <zoredache> you can usually get some at the local hardware store for like a couple dollars..
[00:11] <heavenlyblade101> well i shouldnt have wiped it off lol, i cant get to a hardware store or a pc shop atm
[00:13] <ronnie> is this a desktop computer?
[00:13] <evil_tech> lol
[00:13] <evil_tech> yes
[00:13] <heavenlyblade101> yeah a messed up one
[00:14] <evil_tech> you dont have any around the house? thermal paste i mean
[00:14] <ronnie> get a plastic storage container and use some vegetable oil then ^^
[00:15] <heavenlyblade101> nope. no thermal paste
[00:15] <evil_tech> lol
[00:16] <zoredache> :| the search 'improvised thermal compound' comes up with a lot of information about bombs... I think the dhs is coming after me...
[00:16] <evil_tech> if you could figure out how that would work... maybe... is vegatable oil conductive?
[00:18] <ronnie> evil_tech: no vegetable oil is not conductive, and its used in foods to evenly cook things because it disperses heat
[00:18] <ronnie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ8L1Prl6tk
[00:18] <heavenlyblade101> :/ but how, its not thick enough and i dont have anyway of keeping it there
[00:19] <ronnie> you stick the whole internal system in it
[00:19] <evil_tech> i know that its a good conductor of heat
[00:19] <heavenlyblade101> kinda hard for me lol
[00:20] <evil_tech> ***contemplates vegetable cooling his FX53
[00:20] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: just don't stick the power supply in there think that will cause problems
[00:20] <heavenlyblade101> lol
[00:20] <heavenlyblade101> i dont plan on doing that
[00:21] <evil_tech> you could take the board out of the case and put it in a tub and have everything else octopused off it
[00:21] <ronnie> okay
[00:21] <heavenlyblade101> nah, i'd rather get it working first lol
[00:22] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: just get the thermal lube :P
[00:22] <heavenlyblade101> theres some left on the heatsink, i wonder if its enough
[00:23] <evil_tech> is it still wet and liquidy?
[00:24] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: and whatever you do don't inhale, ingest, or touch it very deadly
[00:24] <zoredache> use a paste of petroleum jelly and talcum powder
[00:24] <ronnie> zoredache: how exactly does that work?
[00:24] <zoredache> it isn't great, but he might have it in his house...
[00:25] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: I'm just kidding kay should be okay to touch it..
[00:25] <zoredache> the talc will keep the petrolum jelly from running when it gets hot... the petrolum jelly will transfer the heat
[00:25] <heavenlyblade101> yes after all these years its still liquidy slightly
[00:25] <zoredache> ronnie: or at least this web site says...
[00:25] <ronnie> zoredache: petroleum jelly hmm would that be like vaseline?
[00:26] <evil_tech> i think vaseline is similar but adds stuff
[00:29] <zoredache> vaseline is petroleum jelly...
[00:29] <heavenlyblade101> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmPm-YV9vdA&feature=related
[00:30] <evil_tech> i dont think Vaseline is just plain ole petroleum jelly though.
[00:31] <zoredache> The Vaseline company does have one product that is pure petroem jelly... they have other products that include lotions and other stuff
[00:35] <evil_tech> ah ok
[00:35] <zoredache> but as a temporary hack he could probably get away with whatever he has in his cupboard...
[00:36] <heavenlyblade101> meh
[00:39] <evil_tech> i have so many p3 i could give you...lol shop full of em
[00:40] <heavenlyblade101> too bad ur so far away
[00:40] <heavenlyblade101> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8shVDvMdo4&feature=related  <<<they droped the psu in too
[00:42] <evil_tech> i think youd have to remove the fans
[00:43] <evil_tech> nevermind
[00:43] <evil_tech> they said exactly that
[00:44] <heavenlyblade101> y remove the fans tho?
[00:45] <evil_tech> they cant turn through something that viscous
[00:45] <evil_tech> so theyll end up burning out and could cause a fire
[00:45] <evil_tech> thats my guees
[00:45] <evil_tech> guess*
[00:47] <heavenlyblade101> i suppose, so i wonder if theres enough thermal paste on my heatsink
[00:48] <evil_tech> well worse case scenario you fry it
[00:51] <heavenlyblade101> yeah i guess, its already pretty bad anyway
[00:56] <heavenlyblade101> holy crap it booted!
[00:56] <evil_tech> lol
[00:56] <evil_tech> *keeps fingers crossed
[00:57] <evil_tech> yay newegg's shipped my ram
[00:58] <FoulOleRon> hello anyone
[00:58] <evil_tech> hello single person
[00:58] <FoulOleRon> heh..
[00:58] <FoulOleRon> I deserved that :D
[00:59] <FoulOleRon> may I ask a technical question?
[00:59] <totalmakeitso> !ask
[00:59] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[00:59] <totalmakeitso> :P
[00:59] <FoulOleRon> ok, I have a niggle with XMMS and Xubuntu...
[01:00] <FoulOleRon> I tried Fluxbuntu and XMMS keeps all the path in memory...
[01:00] <FoulOleRon> but with Xubuntu it only stores about 4 or 5 levels
[01:00] <FoulOleRon> any ideas how to change this?
[01:01] <FoulOleRon> cos I store my MP3s on a network drive and it's a real pita to have to go from root all the time
[01:03] <evil_tech> you mean like a command history buffer?
[01:03] <FoulOleRon> maybe I should have prefixed with "I just moved from Windows".....
[01:03] <FoulOleRon> so "Wha'?"
[01:04] <FoulOleRon> here's the deal...
[01:04] <FoulOleRon> I have my remote drives in mnt...
[01:05] <MilitantPotato> are you playing songs one at a time?
[01:05] <FoulOleRon> so the path owuld be home/name/mnt/<networkdrive>/<driveletter>/my documents/mp3/spoken workd/comedy/<file>.mp3.......
[01:06] <FoulOleRon> BUT, when I go to put in another file I have to fo from my documents...
[01:06] <MatBoy> mhh, no screenshotplugin for FF in linux :(
[01:06] <MatBoy> may I cry ?
[01:06] <FoulOleRon> it doesn't seem to keep any more
[01:06] <evil_tech> MayBoy: yes
[01:06] <MilitantPotato> FoulOleRon: why not add all of them to the playlist?
[01:06] <zoredache> FoulOleRon: just a though, why not create a symlink in your documents folder?
[01:06] <FoulOleRon> Spud: cos I change my mind all the time...
[01:06] <FoulOleRon> ache.... how would I do that?
[01:07] <MatBoy> evil_tech, in you lap ?
[01:07] <MatBoy> *your
[01:07] <FoulOleRon> ... but Fluxbuntu DID keep them in the path....
[01:07] <evil_tech> no it must stay contained to a bubble 1 foot radius of your person
[01:07] <zoredache> so if you wanted a link to your mp3s in your home ~/ the start a terminal and type cd
[01:07] <FoulOleRon> what does Xfs do different to Fluxbox?
[01:07] <evil_tech> xfs?
[01:07] <FoulOleRon> err...
[01:08] <zoredache> from there do an 'ln -s /mnt/blah.here/there.whatever/mp3s mp3_folder'
[01:08] <evil_tech> thought fluxbuntu used Rox Filer
[01:08] <FoulOleRon> forgot what Xubuntu uses
[01:08] <evil_tech> Thunar
[01:08] <evil_tech> as file manager
[01:08] <FoulOleRon> XMMS acts different between flux and x
[01:09] <zoredache> of course you could also use something like vlc, which includes then xfce open dialog box.
[01:09] <FoulOleRon> I'm determined to find a version of Linux that does what I want it to!!!
[01:09] <zoredache> on the xfce open dialog box you can create shortcuts to folders
[01:09] <evil_tech> i love vlc.. wanna marry it
[01:09] <FoulOleRon> zoredache: yeah.... VLC keeps the full path
[01:10] <FoulOleRon> awww.... Tits :(
[01:11] <FoulOleRon> I can drag and drop from Thunar from a mounted drive, but it's still a pain with XMMS
[01:11] <TheSheep> FoulOleRon: use bmp
[01:11] <TheSheep> FoulOleRon: or audacious
[01:11] <FoulOleRon> hmmmm
[01:11] <FoulOleRon> I just like the way XMMS works..
[01:11] <TheSheep> FoulOleRon: they are identical to xmms except for fixed file open dialog
[01:11] <FoulOleRon> I've been a Gates-Slave too long :(
[01:12] <FoulOleRon> ahhh...
[01:12] <FoulOleRon> soooooo...
[01:12] <FoulOleRon> a possibility
[01:12] <evil_tech> FoulOleRon: you used to use Winamp in windows huh?
[01:12] <Tony_> gates slave lol
[01:12] <totalmakeitso> ^^
[01:12] <FoulOleRon> no, I abandoned Winamp ages ago...
[01:12] <FoulOleRon> in Windows (i.e. THIS machine) I use QCD
[01:12] <Tony_> do you smile like this ^_^ or this? :)
[01:12] <FoulOleRon> :)
[01:12] <evil_tech> QCD? whats that. I like media player classic when im in windows
[01:13] <FoulOleRon> QCD is Quintessential
[01:13] <FoulOleRon> I use VLC and QCD for Windows...
[01:14] <evil_tech> heavenlyblade101: any luck with that computer?
[01:18] <heavenlyblade101> well, it hasent crashed yet
[01:18] <heavenlyblade101> so.....
[01:18] <heavenlyblade101> idk
[01:19] <heavenlyblade101> :/ went to open the terminal and the os rebooted
[01:21] <evil_tech> hmm
[01:21] <heavenlyblade101> goes to the text base then the log in
[01:23] <evil_tech> then reboots?
[01:24] <heavenlyblade101> just back to the log in
[01:24] <evil_tech> so X is crashing
[01:25] <heavenlyblade101> ??
[01:26] <evil_tech> xserver might be crashing. if the computer isnt rebooting and you just go back to the login screen then the xserver might be crashing
[01:26] <evil_tech> you could login on a different tty and reconfigure x to see if that fixes it
[01:27] <heavenlyblade101> i have no idea what you said lol im a total n00b
[01:27] <evil_tech> ok you at the login screen
[01:27] <evil_tech> ?
[01:28] <heavenlyblade101> no hold on
[01:29] <heavenlyblade101> k
[01:29] <evil_tech> at the graphical login?
[01:29] <heavenlyblade101> yeah
[01:30] <evil_tech> ok now you can press CTRL + ALT + F3 should get you to a text login
[01:30] <evil_tech> or F4 through F6 for that matter
[01:31] <heavenlyblade101> got it
[01:31] <evil_tech> logged in?
[01:31] <heavenlyblade101> *runs to login
[01:31] <heavenlyblade101> k
[01:32] <evil_tech> once logged in type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:32] <heavenlyblade101> k
[01:33] <heavenlyblade101> wht now?
[01:34] <ronnie> if its crashing *after* you go from the graphical login trying to enter the desktop its most likely you have the wrong session setup
[01:34] <ronnie> perhaps its set for a session that doesn't exist anymore
[01:35] <heavenlyblade101> its crashing after i log in and i can run ff but when i run terminal it crashes
[01:35] <evil_tech> hmm
[01:35] <ronnie> your using xfce and when you run terminal it crashes...
[01:35] <ronnie> where are you running this "terminal" thing from?
[01:36] <heavenlyblade101> the applications menu
[01:36] <heavenlyblade101> lol
[01:36] <evil_tech> probably Applications -> Accessories ->Terminal
[01:36] <heavenlyblade101> exactly
[01:36] <ronnie> try alt f2 then xfce4-terminal
[01:36] <ronnie> does that give different result?
[01:37] <heavenlyblade101> wait. i'm at the text based login and reconfiguring xserver.
[01:37] <ronnie> or better yet enter "xterm" for a terminal through the xserver
[01:37] <ronnie> evil_tech: could he have really screwed up xfce terminal configurations?
[01:37] <evil_tech> seems that way
[01:38] <ronnie> like set it for undefined color or enormous scrollback... something to make the x server die
[01:38] <evil_tech> dont know how though the system hasnt worked very well
[01:38] <ronnie> I know maybe he has terminal transparency that his gfx card doesn't support!
[01:39] <evil_tech> but isnt transparency set system wide and not per application
[01:39] <evil_tech> though we have suspected his onboard vid to e bad
[01:39] <ronnie> could there be memory errors with the dedicated video ram?
[01:39] <heavenlyblade101> dude, i'm running it as it was installed.
[01:40] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: kk
[01:40] <heavenlyblade101> how do i get to graphical login from text
[01:40] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: ctrl alt f7
[01:40] <ronnie> that is if there is current graphical session
[01:40] <heavenlyblade101> k got it
[01:41] <heavenlyblade101> i'll try terminal agian
[01:41] <ronnie> try xterm instead I doubt it will fail
[01:41] <heavenlyblade101> nope
[01:41] <ronnie> perhaps then you can diagnose it easier
[01:41] <evil_tech> back to login?
[01:41] <heavenlyblade101> how do i try xterm
[01:41] <ronnie> alt f2 then type xterm
[01:41] <ronnie> while your on your desktop
[01:41] <heavenlyblade101> k
[01:42] <heavenlyblade101> k now what?
[01:42] <ronnie> dmesg list anything odd?
[01:42] <evil_tech> whats the difference between xterm and terminal other than one is black with white text and the other is the inverse
[01:42] <heavenlyblade101> nothings listed.
[01:42] <ronnie> evil_tech: you can change colors for both, difference is xterm runs at different application layer built into x server as a default terminal. (because of such you can't copy or paste and it has certain display limitations)
[01:43] <evil_tech> ah i see
[01:43] <heavenlyblade101> so i use this instead of terminal?
[01:44] <ronnie> evil_tech: how about he evokes xfce4-terminal from xterm and pipes its error messages to separate file, how would he word such command?
[01:44] <evil_tech> hmm let me try it
[01:44] <ronnie> think its "xfce4-terminal >> error.txt"
[01:45] <MatBoy> what html editor was just so good for Linux ? I forgot the name
[01:45] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: yeah you can use that, but its odd your having glitch with other terminal
[01:45] <evil_tech> well xterm wont let me run xfce-terminal
[01:45] <heavenlyblade101> :/
[01:45] <evil_tech> says the command isnt found
[01:45] <ronnie> MatBoy: dunno I use kompozer
[01:45] <ronnie> MatBoy: and no its not kde based
[01:46] <MatBoy> ronnie, that is the one :)
[01:46] <renee_> how do i create /dev/video1
[01:46] <ronnie> MatBoy: think eclipse has html support and if you want something lite there is Scite
[01:46] <MatBoy> ronnie, I knew it was somehing with "making it" in the name
[01:46] <heavenlyblade101> so i guess i'm stuck using xterm?
[01:46] <evil_tech> yeah until someone can come up with why terminal is hosed
[01:46] <heavenlyblade101> k thanks for the help guys
[01:46] <MatBoy> ronnie, but compozer is better I thought ?
[01:47] <evil_tech> and how to fix it without a terminal lol
[01:47] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: yeah trying to recall how to export application errors to a text file
[01:47] <evil_tech> got to route stderr to a txt file
[01:47] <evil_tech> i think
[01:47] <ronnie> >> right?
[01:47] <evil_tech> really not liking not having my linux bible
[01:48] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: try what I said earlier see if it creates an error.txt file with some output
[01:48] <heavenlyblade101> k..
[01:48] <renee_> how do i create /dev/video1
[01:49] <ronnie> cd /dev && touch video1
[01:49] <evil_tech> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/+bug/114124
[01:49] <ronnie> I suppose...?
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114124 in xfce4-terminal "Xubuntu 7.04 xserver crashes when launching terminal (dup-of: 91849)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91849 in xfce "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[01:49] <evil_tech> take a look at that
[01:49] <heavenlyblade101> crashed it again
[01:50] <ronnie> I had an i810 card before but it seemed to work until I did something then I had similar problem
[01:50] <heavenlyblade101> whats an i810?
[01:50] <ronnie> I gave up on it though and put blackbox on there because only had 64mb ram
[01:50] <evil_tech> chipset
[01:51] <evil_tech> ive had this problem with 6.10 and 7.04 now that i recall
[01:51] <ronnie> i810 is an intel integrated card driver
[01:51] <heavenlyblade101> hmmm
[01:51] <evil_tech> but i fixed it by reconfiguring x and setting color depth to 16 (was a bunch of Thinkpad 770's)
[01:51] <ronnie> I think one of my friends uses that with ubuntu
[01:52] <ronnie> evil_tech: I always set mine to 16 guess that's why I wasn't whining about that issue on forums lol
[01:52] <evil_tech> ever since then on older machines i set the depth to 16, most people cant tell the difference any way
[01:53] <ronnie> evil_tech: the human eye doesn't support that many colors yet bottlenecks with the few brainsquishies :)
[01:53] <heavenlyblade101> can u set colour depth without exiting the graphical desktop?
[01:53] <evil_tech> dunno
[01:54] <evil_tech> you could edit xorg.conf and set it that way
[01:54] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf change 24 to 16 then ctrl alt backspace to restart x server only (like rebooting only graphical portion of system)
[01:54] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: does it take a long while to boot?
[01:55] <heavenlyblade101> that mousepad thing a command for xterm?
[01:55] <evil_tech> no its a text editor
[01:55] <heavenlyblade101> lol k
[01:55] <evil_tech> you need to start it with root privledges
[01:56] <heavenlyblade101> hey, that command earlyer made an error.txd
[01:57] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: what does it say?
[01:57] <heavenlyblade101> nothing :/
[01:57] <evil_tech> wow gksu is really really slow
[01:57] <ronnie> yeah I probably worded it wrong or it crashed too fast
[01:57] <evil_tech> what did i miss
[01:58] <ronnie> netham45 joined and flicked you off evil_tech
[01:58] <ronnie> that's all
[01:58] <ronnie> netham45: :D
[01:58] <evil_tech> oh so not much :D
[01:58] <evil_tech> has he successfully edited xorg.conf?
[01:58] <evil_tech> by he i mean heavenlyblade101
[02:00] <heavenlyblade101> no i didnt suceed, couldnt write to file
[02:00] <evil_tech> cause you werent root
[02:01] <heavenlyblade101> how do i become root?
[02:01] <evil_tech> open up xterm
[02:01] <evil_tech> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:02] <evil_tech> or you can do ALT + F2 then gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:02] <heavenlyblade101> k in xterm
[02:04] <evil_tech> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:04] <evil_tech> wow its 6pm already
[02:05] <evil_tech> got to go pick up the girlfriend
[02:05] <heavenlyblade101> k ttyl
[02:05] <evil_tech> good luck heavenlyblade101. worse case you can run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again and itll ask you for color depth. set it to 16 then restart x
[02:05] <heavenlyblade101> k
[02:05] <evil_tech> ttfn
[02:06] <heavenlyblade101> how do i reboot xserve again lol
[02:06] <heavenlyblade101> ctrl alt backspace?
[02:06] <ronnie> yes
[02:07] <heavenlyblade101> k, now lets see if it fixed terminal
[02:07] <ronnie> evil_tech: dude just change the config file value for xorg lol
[02:07] <heavenlyblade101> yep, and evil tech is gon
[02:07] <ronnie> ah that ass always leaving when I say something to him rofl
[02:08] <heavenlyblade101> it worked, thanks guys. i guess maybe tommarrow i'll try to get beryl going
[02:08] <heavenlyblade101> rofl
[02:08] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: compiz you mean, beryl merged with latest compiz
[02:08] <heavenlyblade101> brb
[02:09] <heavenlyblade101> back
[02:10] <heavenlyblade101> so whats different about it now?
[02:10] <ronnie> seems more stable I guess
[02:10] <heavenlyblade101> do you run emule? or amule?
[02:11] <ronnie> nah I usually use frostwire
[02:11] <heavenlyblade101> whats that? torrent or p2p?
[02:12] <ronnie> p2p, usually on deluge for torrenting
[02:12] <heavenlyblade101> it wont read edk2 links tho :/ thats what i need emule for
[02:13] <ronnie> might want to check www.sourceforge.net see if you can find a certain client you like then
[02:14] <heavenlyblade101> i guess emule cant run on linux
[02:15] <ronnie> if you don't want it to, don't know why though. Is it rather buggy usually?
[02:15] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: could try gnutella think its in ubuntu repositories see if it can read those links
[02:16] <heavenlyblade101> ubuntu repositories?
[02:16] <ronnie> yeah applications > system > synaptic
[02:16] <ronnie> lot of programs there you can install
[02:16] <ronnie> use the search function
[02:17] <heavenlyblade101> nothing came up
[02:17] <ronnie> try reload then and check your sources
[02:17] <ronnie> perhaps you don't have all the repositories marked
[02:17] <heavenlyblade101> reload?
[02:18] <heavenlyblade101> k nvm
[02:19] <ronnie> it worked?
[02:20] <heavenlyblade101> no
[02:20] <heavenlyblade101> :/
[02:20] <ronnie> eh I'm on amule right now
[02:20] <heavenlyblade101> how do u get it?
[02:21] <ronnie> application> system>software sources check the boxes there then pull up synaptic and hit reload then search amule
[02:21] <ronnie> mark to install and click apply then your done
[02:22] <heavenlyblade101> k thanks, reloading
[02:23] <heavenlyblade101> i wonder whats up with this comp, it occasionally gets a bios, and now once i get it booted its good
[02:24] <heavenlyblade101> but its getting it booted. i think its the mobo but i cant afford a new one
[02:24] <ronnie> reloading doesn't mean reboot xD
[02:24] <heavenlyblade101> no i know, just kinda wondering aloud
[02:24] <ronnie> lol
[02:25] <ronnie> what do you mean by mobo?
[02:25] <ronnie> ohh motherboard
[02:25] <heavenlyblade101> lol
[02:25] <ronnie> have you tried linuxbiox yet?
[02:25] <ronnie> linuxbios I mean
[02:26] <heavenlyblade101> no, never heard of it
[02:31] <jmolek28> is there anyway to install xubuntu if there is no cd drive?
[02:35] <heavenlyblade101> network boot
[02:35] <heavenlyblade101> idk how tho
[02:36] <jmolek28> hmm okay.. i was trying to install 7.10 tonight and the cd drive stopped working after i found out that i only have 128mb ram on the comp so it didnt work
[02:36] <jmolek28> usb possible?
[02:37] <snerfu> somehow while playing around with wireless stuff I accidently got two nm-applets starting up.  Do you know where I might look to fix that?
[02:37] <umarzuki> nope
[02:38] <umarzuki> hi guys
[02:39] <snerfu> hi
[02:39] <heavenlyblade101> how do i format a NTFS drive via Xubuntu?
[02:39] <umarzuki> gparted?
[02:39] <umarzuki> tried that?
[02:39] <umarzuki> xnyone got prob with xfmedia when playing video?
[02:40] <snerfu> Don't know that you can heavenlyblade101, what are you trying to accomplish?
[02:40] <umarzuki> mine can't play videos; tried .avi ang .ogm
[02:40] <umarzuki> it hanged
[02:40] <umarzuki> even .pls
[02:42] <umarzuki> anyone know y?
[02:42] <heavenlyblade101> snerfu: trying to make a 10 gb drive usable without rebooting, long story as to why i cant reboot
[02:43] <snerfu> heavenlyblade101, it needs to be visible from windows?
[02:43] <heavenlyblade101> no, i want to remove windows
[02:44] <heavenlyblade101> windows is on the drive i want to format
[02:45] <snerfu> heavenlyblade101, what partition is it on, the whole drive?
[02:45] <heavenlyblade101> the whole drive
[02:45] <heavenlyblade101> i have a 6 gb running linux adn a 10 gb running windows
[02:45] <snerfu> sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/something1
[02:46] <snerfu> usb drive?
[02:46] <heavenlyblade101> what do u mean?
[02:46] <umarzuki> you can do it point and click with gparted tho
[02:46] <snerfu> is it an internal drive?
[02:46] <heavenlyblade101> yeah its internal
[02:47] <snerfu> is it ide or sata?
[02:47] <heavenlyblade101> idk.. lol its a maxtor
[02:48] <snerfu> type "mount" and tell me what your partition says for /
[02:48] <snerfu> true umarzuki, but this might be a good learning experience for him for the future.
[02:49] <umarzuki> agreed
[02:49] <heavenlyblade101> sorry lol i dont think it gives me info on the drive. but i feel like a MAJOR n00
[02:49] <heavenlyblade101> b
[02:50] <umarzuki> but if ur had short term memory like me..
[02:50] <snerfu> that's alright heavenlyblade101, just run the mount and tell me what it says on the line that has /
[02:50] <heavenlyblade101> it cant mount it
[02:51] <heavenlyblade101> failed to determine the mount point for /dev/sda1
[02:51] <snerfu> you aren't mounting anything at the moment don't worry.
[02:52] <snerfu> Ok, now run "fdisk /dev/sda"
[02:52] <heavenlyblade101> in the terminal?
[02:52] <snerfu> yeah
[02:52] <snerfu> you should have run that mount command in the terminal as well.
[02:52] <heavenlyblade101> unable to open
[02:53] <umarzuki> it's weird tho
[02:53] <snerfu> ah do a "sudo fdisk /dev/sda"
[02:53] <umarzuki> any ntfs drive should've been mounted from boot
[02:53] <umarzuki> spare me some info?
[02:53] <snerfu> it probably is mounted, I would guess.
[02:54] <umarzuki> y that would occur
[02:54] <snerfu> I was just trying to figure out which device and partition its on.
[02:54] <snerfu> explatory questioning.
[02:54] <heavenlyblade101> how do i know this wont try to format the drive with linux on it?
[02:54] <umarzuki> mine already got oh
[02:54] <umarzuki> partition..
[02:55] <umarzuki> thought it's the whole disk
[02:55] <snerfu> fdisk is for changing the partition layout heavenlyblade101, we are just going to loo at the layout.
[02:55] <snerfu> err look at the layout.
[02:55] <heavenlyblade101> k
[02:56] <heavenlyblade101> so what now?
[02:56] <snerfu> once in fdisk, press p
[02:56] <snerfu> that will print the paritions
[02:56] <heavenlyblade101> k
[02:56] <heavenlyblade101> what next
[02:56] <heavenlyblade101> ?
[02:56] <snerfu> how many does it say?
[02:56] <heavenlyblade101> one :/
[02:57] <snerfu> ok good.
[02:57] <heavenlyblade101> shouldnt there be one for each drive tho?
[02:57] <snerfu> on the end, under the syste part, what does it say?
[02:57] <heavenlyblade101> hpfs/ntfs
[02:57] <snerfu> no, we are only looking at the partition table on one disk right now.
[02:58] <snerfu> OK heavenlyblade101, so now we know that your ntfs drive is on /dev/sda1 in linux.
[02:58] <heavenlyblade101> k...
[02:58] <snerfu> write down /dev/sda1 or make a mental note
[02:58] <heavenlyblade101> k
[02:58] <snerfu> press q
[02:58] <snerfu> tha will quit out of it
[02:58] <snerfu> without writing anything.
[02:59] <heavenlyblade101> k
[02:59] <snerfu> ok type "sudo mount"
[02:59] <snerfu> it will print out everything that is mounted.
[02:59] <heavenlyblade101> k
[02:59] <snerfu> scour for anything that says /dev/sda1
[03:00] <snerfu> and tell me if it shows up.
[03:00] <heavenlyblade101> nothing
[03:00] <snerfu> ok good
[03:00] <snerfu> it is ready to format
[03:00] <heavenlyblade101> k
[03:00] <ronnie> jmolek28: yeah usb install xubuntu
[03:01] <heavenlyblade101> how do i format then lol
[03:01] <snerfu> the comand is "sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1"
[03:01] <ronnie> jmolek28: if you only have 128mb ram use the alternate install cd
[03:01] <heavenlyblade101> k
[03:01] <heavenlyblade101> so its formating now?
[03:02] <ronnie> umarzuki: try a gstreamer player and the version 10 plugins
[03:02] <snerfu> yeah, it will come back to a prompt when done heavenlyblade101.
[03:02] <snerfu> should be quick.
[03:02] <heavenlyblade101> its done then
[03:02] <heavenlyblade101> lol
[03:02] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: fdisk the drive
[03:02] <snerfu> do you see something along the lines of "creating journal entriies"?
[03:03] <umarzuki> ronnie: n i should 'apt-get ?'
[03:03] <heavenlyblade101> no
[03:03] <heavenlyblade101> i got that at the end of the format
[03:03] <snerfu> did it say anything heavenlyblade101? paraphrase it
[03:03] <snerfu> ah ok good.
[03:04] <snerfu> now to mount it.
[03:04] <ronnie> umarzuki: could use synaptic or "apt-cache search gstreamer" and apt-get install whatever
[03:04] <heavenlyblade101> how?
[03:04] <snerfu> mkdir /mnt/sda1
[03:04] <heavenlyblade101> its at command
[03:04] <ronnie> snerfu: ubuntu usually uses /media for mounted stuff, a bit more meaningful then acronym mnt
[03:04] <heavenlyblade101> k
[03:05] <snerfu> ah sorry ronnie.
[03:05] <ronnie> snerfu: no just saying it might already be mounted lol
[03:05] <heavenlyblade101> so i just got the command help thing lol
[03:06] <snerfu> is it help information about mkdir?
[03:07] <heavenlyblade101> just the letters abc ext with their meanings
[03:07] <heavenlyblade101> p= print partition table
[03:08] <snerfu> hmm one sec
[03:09] <snerfu> are you back at the prompt that has # in front of it?
[03:10] <heavenlyblade101> no still at the command prompt
[03:10] <snerfu> hmm then where do you see "p= print partition table?"
[03:11] <heavenlyblade101> in that help thing it gave me
[03:11] <snerfu> ok try this
[03:12] <snerfu> highight that last line with your mouse and then right click on it and select copy
[03:12] <heavenlyblade101> what last line
[03:12] <heavenlyblade101> ?
[03:12] <heavenlyblade101> extra functionality?
[03:13] <snerfu> no, the very last line you see
[03:13] <snerfu> the prompt
[03:13] <ronnie> snerfu: he is in fdisk
[03:13] <heavenlyblade101> k
[03:14] <snerfu> yeah that is what I thought, but he did an mkfs just  a moment ago, which I can't figure out.
[03:14] <snerfu> hehe
[03:14] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: d to delete that partition then n for new partition select primary yes start there, ok end at that amount w write changes then exit
[03:14] <heavenlyblade101> no partition defined yet
[03:15] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: then create one
[03:15] <ronnie> I would follow along but I don't want to fdisk one of my working drives lol
[03:15] <snerfu> n for new
[03:15] <heavenlyblade101> k lol
[03:16] <ronnie> k = kill ?
[03:16] <snerfu> it will ask you the start and end points
[03:16] <heavenlyblade101> did that
[03:16] <heavenlyblade101> and wrote it
[03:16] <snerfu> ok
[03:16] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: however do you want any swap space on that drive?
[03:16] <heavenlyblade101> ?
[03:16] <snerfu> your going to need to do that format again
[03:17] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: a swap partition is used so hard drive space can be used for memory with libraries and such that are rarely accessed by programs but need to be loaded
[03:17] <snerfu> I think that might be a little advanced for him ronnie, he is just trying to get extra storage.
[03:17] <heavenlyblade101> ok...
[03:18] <heavenlyblade101> i just want to format this as a secondary drive
[03:18] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: its like that index file on windows that changes size except being on different partition it doesn't need to be defragged or worry about corruption
[03:18] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: alright thought you might be doing a dualboot nvm then
[03:18] <heavenlyblade101> lol trying to remove a dual boot
[03:18] <ronnie> kk :)
[03:18] <snerfu> sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1
[03:19] <ronnie> ^ that command there creates the journal onto the ext2 system thereby upgrading it to ext3
[03:19] <ronnie> more speed and stability (not good for livecds though they usually ext2 for space save)
[03:20] <heavenlyblade101> command not found
[03:20] <heavenlyblade101> sorry no i f*cked up there
[03:20] <ronnie> did it work?
[03:20] <heavenlyblade101> working atm
[03:20] <ronnie> snerfu: hey do you know what unionfs file system is?
[03:21] <snerfu> yes ronnie, had one briefly on my sharp zaurus
[03:21] <ronnie> I don't know but heard it mentioned on this application
[03:21] <heavenlyblade101> k its done
[03:21] <snerfu> it allows mixed permissions on directory trees somehow.
[03:22] <ronnie> snerfu oooh zaurus aren't those called umm blackberries or something? (the palm devices)
[03:22] <snerfu> zaurus was a pure pda
[03:22] <snerfu> yeah
[03:22] <ronnie> pda that's the term thx
[03:22] <snerfu> heavenlyblade101, time to mount it, one of two ways.
[03:23] <heavenlyblade101> which are?
[03:23] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: might want to add it into /etc/fstab to be mounted on boot
[03:23] <ronnie> dunno what option 2 is but there several fstab ways to mount it
[03:23] <snerfu> since you aren't going to be rebooting you can mount it as root, but then your normal user won't be able to use it, you will have to use sudo to copy everything to it or....
[03:24] <heavenlyblade101> lets set it to mount on boot
[03:24] <ronnie> yeah make it so root only one that can mount it stash all your secret files there :D
[03:24] <snerfu> you can edit a file called /etc/fstab with "sudo nano /etc/fstab"
[03:25] <heavenlyblade101> k
[03:25] <snerfu> there is a great howto on the wiki on how to encrypt your home parition for stashing secret files hehe.
[03:25] <snerfu> I did that on my laptop in case I lose it somewhere.
[03:25] <heavenlyblade101> i dont want that lol im the only user
[03:25] <ronnie> but its nicer if they on a separate drive :)
[03:25] <snerfu> Ok heavenlyblade101 so you are in the /etc/fstab file now?
[03:26] <heavenlyblade101> ya
[03:27] <snerfu> ok one sec I need to type out a line for you to put in there
[03:27] <heavenlyblade101> lol
[03:28] <ronnie> hmm maybe something like this "/dev/sda1        /media/pr0n   ext3,user,noauto,rw  0       0"
[03:28] <ronnie> think I got the syntax wrong *is such a noob*
[03:29] <ronnie> I dunno but when your done editing /etc/fstab just do mount -a to update your changes
[03:30] <snerfu> one a new line at the bottom "/dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ext3 user,rw 0 0"
[03:30] <ronnie> oops I put noauto in there sorry
[03:31] <ronnie> jmolek28: sup
[03:31] <ronnie> jmolek28: how did that usb install of xubuntu go?
[03:32] <jmolek28> i didnt try yet.. i am trying to get my cd drive to work.. no luck yet :\
[03:34] <heavenlyblade101> *waiting patiently
[03:34] <heavenlyblade101> lol
[03:34] <snerfu> did you type all that in there on a new line?
[03:35] <heavenlyblade101> sorry lol missed what you put. 1 min
[03:35] <snerfu> no prob
[03:36] <ronnie> jmolek28: also if you have 128mb ram use alternate install cd
[03:36] <heavenlyblade101> k what now
[03:37] <jmolek28> alternate install cd?
[03:37] <snerfu> ok to save it, press ctrl and x at the same time. it will ask you if you want to save it and press y for yes, and then enter to accept the default location.
[03:38] <snerfu> then when you are back at the command prompt type "sudo mount -a"
[03:39] <heavenlyblade101> error. no such directory
[03:39] <snerfu> what is the question it is asking you?
[03:39] <heavenlyblade101> nothing, just error. no such directory
[03:40] <snerfu> oh when you did the mount part?
[03:40] <heavenlyblade101> when i hit ctrl c then y then
[03:40] <heavenlyblade101> enter
[03:41] <snerfu> you mean ctr and x right?
[03:41] <snerfu> err ctrl and x
[03:41] <jmolek28> ronnie: whats the alternate install cd, i only saw the main one thats live cd and install
[03:41] <heavenlyblade101> yeah sorry lol
[03:42] <ronnie> jmolek28: where you located?
[03:42] <snerfu> does it say in white at the bottom "File Name to Write: /etc/fstab?
[03:43] <bigfuzzyjesus> hello
[03:43] <bigfuzzyjesus> anyone care to see my screenshot
[03:43] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: be sure to leave a space at bottom of fstab
[03:43] <ronnie> jmolek28: I would use this one http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/DVDs/xubuntu/7.10/release/xubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso
[03:44] <heavenlyblade101> what do u mean leave a space at the botom?
[03:44] <snerfu> a blank line
[03:44] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: has to do with out fstab is parsed for input you'll see when you type mount -a
[03:44] <jmolek28> ronnie: now to fix the cd drive.. ha
[03:44] <ronnie> with how* its parsed sorry
[03:45] <bigfuzzyjesus> ronnie, that is a fast server!
[03:45] <ronnie> jmolek28: you were able to run the live session right?
[03:45] <ronnie> bigfuzzyjesus: what screen shot you talking about and which server?
[03:45] <heavenlyblade101> how do i leave a space at hte bottom and where? under the line you gave me?
[03:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> ronnie, my screenshot
[03:46] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: go to the end press enter that is all
[03:46] <bigfuzzyjesus> and that server you told jmolek28 about
[03:46] <heavenlyblade101> k well i did that and i still have the error of no such directory
[03:46] <ronnie> umm okay
[03:46] <heavenlyblade101> no such file or directory
[03:47] <snerfu> try the save again with ctrl and x
[03:47] <jmolek28> ronnie: i first tried to run ubuntu.. that didnt work because i did not have the system specs.. now my cd drive stopped working
[03:47] <heavenlyblade101> same thing
[03:47] <jmolek28> ronnie: so now i have to fix that and then live boot xubuntu
[03:47] <snerfu> does it immediately say that after you press y heavenlyblade101?
[03:48] <ronnie> jmolek28: it requires 192mb to install from live cd because the installer requires more memory
[03:48] <heavenlyblade101> no after i press enter
[03:48] <bigfuzzyjesus> http://seifnet.no-ip.org:8080/screensecks.jpg
[03:48] <snerfu> hmm press esc and see if it goes away
[03:48] <ronnie> jmolek28: however if you formatted the drive and created a swap partition then did swapon /dev/drive it should allow you to use hard drive for memory (would be slow but still work)
[03:49] <heavenlyblade101> it just goes back to where it was before i tried to save only with the error on the bottom
[03:50] <jmolek28> ronnie: okay, so just run the iso image you linked me and it should download
[03:50] <snerfu> is that fluxbox in the screenshot?
[03:50] <ronnie> jmolek28: yes the alternate install cd requires only 64mb ram I think
[03:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> snerfu, yes sir
[03:51] <snerfu> hmm let me play around in nano for a sec heavenlyblade101.
[03:51] <ronnie> jmolek28: you might also try removing the hard drive and installing from a computer with more ram, then you can put the hard drive back into that system and reconfigure xorg for its video card will be exact same as if it was installed there
[03:51] <heavenlyblade101> k
[03:51] <jmolek28> ronnie: thanks alot, i feel stupid asking all of this stuff, im an IST major and am getting into open source OS's now.. just a beginner with that part
[03:51] <snerfu> heavenlyblade101, press ctrl and c to cancel
[03:52] <heavenlyblade101> k
[03:52] <jmolek28> ronnie: so swap drives and then install, and then reconfigure..okay sounds good
[03:52] <snerfu> did that error go away?
[03:52] <heavenlyblade101> yeah
[03:52] <snerfu> ok try the ctrl and x once more
[03:52] <heavenlyblade101> k
[03:52] <snerfu> try and ge to the part that asks you if you want to write /etc/fstab
[03:53] <heavenlyblade101> k
[03:53] <heavenlyblade101> k im ther
[03:53] <heavenlyblade101> e
[03:53] <ronnie> jmolek28: had to do same for my grandma's old pc, she recently got broadband
[03:53] <snerfu> ok just press enter
[03:53] <heavenlyblade101> error
[03:53] <snerfu> hmm same error?
[03:53] <heavenlyblade101> uh huh
[03:54] <snerfu> hmm open up a new terminal
[03:54] <heavenlyblade101> exit this one or not?
[03:54] <snerfu> and type "ls -l /etc/fstab"
[03:54] <snerfu> no don't exit it
[03:54] <ronnie> jmolek28: some laptops and mobile devices come without cd drives so a flash drive with xubuntu really comes in handy. Wish I had more experience with them
[03:54] <snerfu> or you will have to type all that again.
[03:55] <heavenlyblade101> no file found
[03:55] <snerfu> well you would have to type that new line again.
[03:55] <snerfu> hmmm
[03:56] <snerfu> ls -l /etc
[03:56] <heavenlyblade101> no such file or directoru
[03:56] <snerfu> does it list a bunch of files?
[03:56] <heavenlyblade101> *y
[03:56] <jmolek28> ronnie: think i could use an external hard drive to read the files off of?
[03:56] <snerfu> hmm
[03:57] <ronnie> jmolek28: yeah but setting up mbr and grub would be a pain
[03:58] <ronnie> jmolek28: does that computer's bios even support booting from external hard drive?
[03:58] <snerfu> well heavenlyblade101, I am stumped for the moment, let me look something up.
[03:58] <jmolek28> doubtful
[03:58] <jmolek28> ronnie: its just an older system i want to install ubuntu on and its quite the pain haha
[03:59] <heavenlyblade101> jmolek, think urs is a pain, mine occasionally has a bios
[03:59] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: yeah you should fix that bios
[03:59] <jmolek28> haha
[03:59] <heavenlyblade101> no shit lol
[04:00] <jmolek28> i trashed a few servers at school this year because i forgot about RAID BIOS
[04:00] <jmolek28> that was fun
[04:00] <jmolek28> :\
[04:00] <snerfu> he is also missing the whole /etc/directory at the moment.
[04:00] <heavenlyblade101> lol
[04:00] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: no worries you like every other linux bum don't care how long system takes to boot long as it stays running
[04:00] <heavenlyblade101> yeah, i just have to get it set up so i can keep it running full time lol
[04:00] <jmolek28> they are fixed now so the profs happy
[04:01] <heavenlyblade101> schools should really lock booting from anything but HDD's
[04:01] <heavenlyblade101>  i bypassed the security on the schools systems with my live cd
[04:01] <jmolek28> it was the stuff they let IST students screw with
[04:01] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: copy the /etc directory from live cd perhaps
[04:02] <heavenlyblade101> meh, im not worried about it atm, i have all next week if i can get it booted :P
[04:02] <jmolek28> when they say (United States DVD) does that mean it needs to be burnt to a dvd?
[04:02] <ronnie> heavenlyblade101: that's kind of impossible for most any organization seeing as the cmos batteries usually die from not being runned for long periods of time (summer vacation) and its all back to default bios settings
[04:02] <snerfu> he edited the fstab file though and it puled up so /etc/ was there. just can't figure out why he can't see it now.
[04:03] <snerfu> first time for everything.
[04:03] <ronnie> snerfu: I'm thinking he just color blind and got the fancy extra terminal bling bling (hence xfce4-terminal crashage)
[04:03] <heavenlyblade101> k well snerfu thank you for all the help but i guess its time to give up, i have to go to bed
[04:03]  * ronnie high fives heavenlyblade101
[04:03] <heavenlyblade101> lol
[04:04] <snerfu> ok well you did good tonight heavenlyblade101, its semi complicated to mount a new drive and gets quicker after the first time.
[04:04] <heavenlyblade101> thanks for all the help guys, i might be on tomarro night. ttyl
[04:04] <ronnie> okay bye then
[04:04] <snerfu> I have a bad feeling that thing won't boot again heh
[04:04] <jmolek28> ronnie: that alternative download doesnt have a live version does it?
[04:05] <ronnie> jmolek28: you have already confirmed everything working with the live session you did earlier correct?
[04:06] <jmolek28> i cant get a live version of xubuntu to run.. i got ubuntu to run but it crashed and then the cd drive is no longer working
[04:06] <snerfu> want to see my screenshot of xubuntu on the eee pc? 800x480 screen.
[04:06] <ronnie> jmolek28: just get something on the drive, anything you run from cd will be extremely inefficient on that low performing hardware
[04:07] <jmolek28> yea i just want to get a version of ubuntu and xubuntu sounds like it would run on it
[04:07] <ronnie> 128mb perfectly
[04:07] <jmolek28> good
[04:08] <ronnie> now run that alternative cd :P
[04:08] <jmolek28> the alternate iso doesnt have a live desktop does it
[04:08] <jmolek28> its just download
[04:09] <ronnie> download burn it to disc and boot
[04:09] <ronnie> it skips past showing everything and just installs
[04:09] <jmolek28> okay
[04:09] <ronnie> then you can just boot from hard drive
[04:09] <jmolek28> does it partition some space or wipe and repartition
[04:09] <jmolek28> gosh.. sorry i ask so much
[04:10] <jmolek28> 15 hours of download to go
[04:10] <ronnie> if you have space that no other system currently on the hard drive has access to then it can use that, or it can format the drive and install on it.
[04:11] <ronnie> ouch long wait..
[04:11] <ronnie> jmolek28: your best just sticking with defaults unless you have a particular need
[04:11] <jmolek28> okay, the reason i was going to clean the drive was because my mom wanted to get rid of all her info and didnt have the original disk and i wanted to mess with ubuntu, she just got a new pc so i figured it would be worth it
[04:12] <ronnie> jmolek28: are you giving this computer to someone else? might want to run wipe then to completely erase all traces of data from the drive
[04:12] <jmolek28> only linux experience i have is using our schools linux cluster and having to log into it
[04:13] <jmolek28> im using this computer now, she wanted to get rid of it
[04:13] <jmolek28> so i offered :)
[04:13] <ronnie> yeah just go with default then and erase all current stuff
[04:13] <jmolek28> okay
[04:13] <jmolek28> goodbye windows ME
[04:13] <jmolek28> ha
[04:13] <ronnie> lol
[04:13] <jmolek28> it is mighty slow on it now
[04:14] <ronnie> windows me... I bet :D
[04:14] <jmolek28> xubunu looks quite fast on a system that is similar to mine
[04:15] <ronnie> hmm what sort of graphics card you got?
[04:15] <jmolek28> onboard one on this one, but i have some around i could install
[04:15] <jmolek28> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-97005813957914687&q=xubuntu+7.10&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
[04:16] <jmolek28> i was looking at that, its similar to mine
[04:17] <ronnie> I'd probably turn it into a gaming box but if you want the flashy eye candy w/e rocks your boat
[04:17] <jmolek28> i just want it to do work and to look and perform well
[04:17] <jmolek28> i have a gaming rig already
[04:17] <ronnie> oh what you run on it?
[04:18] <jmolek28> dont laugh.... xp
[04:18] <ronnie> here's something funny how much ram xp take by itself?
[04:18] <jmolek28> alot
[04:18] <jmolek28> i need more
[04:18] <ronnie> like over 100mb?
[04:18] <jmolek28> i need to get like 2 more gigs
[04:18] <jmolek28> just to make sure i have enough to do whatever
[04:19] <ronnie> if you run linux in text mode and tweak the kernel can get it down to like 20mb memory or less
[04:19] <jmolek28> nice
[04:19] <jmolek28> do most games support linux?
[04:19] <ronnie> speed of how fast kernel swaps about memory usage also is a bonus
[04:19] <ronnie> jmolek28: there are emulators and wine as well as native ones
[04:20] <ronnie> jmolek28: windows xp also has a memory limit you know
[04:21] <jmolek28> yea
[04:21] <ronnie> linux has several work arounds for that limit
[04:21] <ronnie> or you could use a 64 bit system and operating system then throw in support for 32 bit applications
[04:24] <jmolek28> i tried to boot ubuntu on my laptop and it couldnt find my video card
[04:24] <jmolek28> had a black screen with green lines.. freaked me out at first
[04:25] <ronnie> jmolek28: what sort of laptop you got?
[04:25] <jmolek28> dell inspiron 1100
[04:25] <ronnie> what processor?
[04:25] <jmolek28> its a couple years old
[04:26] <jmolek28> pentium 4 at 2.4 ghz
[04:27] <ronnie> hmm what graphics card?
[04:27] <ronnie> try safe mode option to use vesa
[04:27] <ronnie> should boot fine then
[04:27] <ronnie> it probably just picked wrong graphics driver
[04:27] <jmolek28> intel 82845 something
[04:27] <ronnie> lol yeah
[04:28] <ronnie> intel released lot of open source code for their integrated cards
[04:28] <jmolek28> it was using vesa as default
[04:28] <ronnie> been having so many updates its hard to keep track
[04:28] <jmolek28> yea
[04:28] <ronnie> might be a framebuffering issue then
[04:28] <jmolek28> i would like ubuntu on my laptop.. but i would be afraid to lose my data
[04:28] <ronnie> I don't really understand that myself think it has to do with the lcd type
[04:29] <ronnie> can't you burn, file transfer, or use a flash drive?
[04:30] <jmolek28> yea.. i was going to put all my data on an external hd..
[04:30] <jmolek28> but theres ALOT of stuff
[04:30] <ronnie> if you install windows first and leave free space for an ubuntu partition you can dual boot
[04:30] <ronnie> the ubuntu installer does it automatically
[04:30] <ronnie> or at least it does with the alternate install and server install discs
[04:31] <jmolek28> yea.. split the partition in half or so
[04:31] <ronnie> yeah could resize ntfs volume you got
[04:32] <ronnie> I usually use windows xp on virtualbox for seamless integration aspect however it can't do all those 3d things for gaming but I don't use windows for that anyway
[04:32] <ronnie> just for testing because some I know still use it
[04:32] <jmolek28> yea ive really only used windows most of my life
[04:33] <jmolek28> and i dont like mac
[04:33] <jmolek28> at all
[04:33] <jmolek28> dont know why
[04:33] <ronnie> yeah mac is like a nudered linux with virus support :(
[04:33] <jmolek28> hahahaha
[04:33] <ronnie> costly drm hardware and no kool gaming apps or portability
[04:34]  * ronnie cringes
[04:34] <jmolek28> yea.. and they make people cocky
[04:34] <ronnie> I know I had a gf before that loved them, think it was main reason we broke up lol
[04:35] <ronnie> she was all like "you just like your linux box so you can browse for porn you perv"
[04:35] <jmolek28> haha yea.. soooooo?
[04:35] <ronnie> lmao
[04:35] <jmolek28> maybe if you were more like the porn we would be better
[04:36] <jmolek28> who knows!?
[04:36] <ronnie> I tried that line it don't work
[04:37] <jmolek28> haha i would imagine
[04:37] <jmolek28> you got tired of her so you cd SINGLE
[04:38] <jmolek28> sorry had to try to pull off a terminal joke
[04:39] <ronnie> hmm let me show you little pic
[04:40] <jmolek28> for some reason this download is taking forever, probably someone in the neighborhood torrenting
[04:42] <ronnie> where are you located?
[04:42] <ronnie> perhaps its just bad location for you
[04:44] <jmolek28> i think its the mirror
[04:46] <jmolek28> im in Pennsylvania
[04:46] <jmolek28> so i dont know if the mirror is in like cali or something
[04:47] <ronnie> don't think so
[04:47] <ronnie> ah canadian one probably better its on ontari
[04:47] <ronnie> o
[04:47] <ronnie> http://hex1a4.net/xubuntu/mirror/releases/7.10/release/xubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso
[04:48] <jmolek28> oh that is amazingly fast
[04:48] <jmolek28> thank you
[04:49] <ronnie> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=73fhveg&s=1 check that
[04:49] <jmolek28> okay
[04:49] <jmolek28> took my download down to 1 hour
[04:49] <jmolek28> haha
[04:50] <ronnie> hmm need to fix time on that though
[04:50] <ronnie> I do regular install cd and its usually under 20 minutes
[04:50] <ronnie> you'll probably love the download speeds after you switch off windows
[04:51] <jmolek28> is that a theme for ubuntu?
[04:51] <ronnie> currently over my cousins house though he uses different isp
[04:51] <ronnie> yeah tango icons and umm forget what the window theme is, its default settings
[04:52] <jmolek28> okay
[04:52] <jmolek28> i just want a version of ubuntu
[04:52] <jmolek28> so xubuntu is almost the same as ubuntu?
[04:52] <jmolek28> except "lighter"
[04:52] <ronnie> they both based on gtk "gimp tool kit" for graphics
[04:52] <ronnie> yes much lighter
[04:53] <jmolek28> still works like ubuntu
[04:53] <jmolek28> like interface and stuff
[04:53] <ronnie> basically
[04:53] <ronnie> and none the system coupling like kde, everything that starts with k is kernel related
[04:54] <jmolek28> cool
[04:56] <ronnie> thor: yo
[04:56] <jmolek28> so wheres a good place to get "add ons" for xubuntu
[04:59] <ronnie> synaptic
[04:59] <ronnie> and lot of sites that have ubuntu .deb packages
[04:59] <ronnie> getdeb usually showcases some highly anticipated software
[05:00] <ronnie> its a website that one is
[05:00] <jmolek28> okay thanks for all your help tonight
[05:00] <ronnie> kk
[05:00] <ronnie> playing urban terror 4 just ask if need any help
[05:01] <jmolek28> im gonna try to get this to work tomorrow.. gonna go to bed.. ill let you know how it ends up..
[05:02] <ronnie> kk
[06:00] <kirika> does anyone know if i can copy my desktop settings from my root account to my user account because my borders are gone and now i cant get them back.
[06:33] <jd_> how do i view network computers in xubuntu dapper drake
[06:37] <jd_> anyone here
[06:37] <jd_> i need some help please
[07:39] <ronnie> anyone here running zsnes on xubuntu 7.10
[07:39] <ronnie> its giving some weird output
[07:40] <ronnie> just installed it
[07:40] <ronnie> something abuot /home/user/.kde :/
[07:40] <ronnie> and access to /dev
[07:41] <ronnie> I gots some candy who still up and wants some candy!
[07:41] <ronnie> ah oh well
[07:51] <TheSheep> ronnie: run it in a terminal
[07:51] <ronnie> I did
[07:52] <ronnie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44694/
[07:52] <ronnie> says something about my mouse and kde and mcop w/e that is
[07:53] <TheSheep> what kind of mouse do you have?
[07:53] <TheSheep> com?
[07:53] <ronnie> the old kind
[07:53] <ronnie> plugs into mouse port
[07:53] <ronnie> has a ball inside 2 buttons and a scroller
[07:53] <TheSheep> 'mouse port'?
[07:53] <ronnie> yeah its green and has picture of mouse beside it
[07:54] <TheSheep> ps/2
[07:54] <ronnie> guess so
[07:55] <TheSheep> ronnie: here's mine, works fine
[07:55] <TheSheep> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44695/
[07:56] <ronnie> what desktop environment you using?
[07:57] <TheSheep> ronnie: what channel is this?
[07:58] <ronnie> is that a trick question?
[07:59] <ronnie> cause technically you can have several installed.. and I hope I don't need kde libraries to run zsnes :(
[07:59] <TheSheep> you shouldn't need them
[07:59] <TheSheep> try zsnes -as alsa
[07:59] <TheSheep> ad
[08:00] <TheSheep> try zsnes -ad alsa
[08:00] <ronnie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mplayer/+bug/64241 its a common bug with mcop I hear
[08:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 64241 in mplayer "can't create mcop directory / unable to play sound as another user" [Undecided,New]
[08:00] <ronnie> and what you put works too
[08:00] <ronnie> why is that?
[08:01] <TheSheep> ronnie: it forces the alsa sound driver, insted of the kde's one
[08:01] <TheSheep> ronnie: maybe you have some old config?
[08:01] <ronnie> nope just installed this 3 days ago
[08:01] <TheSheep> ronnie: well, save that alsa driver in the config and it should be ok
[08:02] <ronnie> kk
[08:31] <tehk> Anyone know how to use the variable theme color feature (like in gnomes theme selector) available in many themes?
[08:33] <TheSheep> tehk: I guess you define the colors in .gtkrc-2.0
[08:38] <tehk> TheSheep, thanks
[08:57] <ronnie> TheSheep: some apps I was using few moments ago before zsnes now aren't working. They freeze up when trying to access alsa, what was that advice you gave me before? -ad alsa?
[08:58] <TheSheep> -as
[08:58] <TheSheep> -ad
[08:58] <TheSheep> sorry
[08:58] <TheSheep> but it's for zsnes only
[08:58] <ronnie> think I might be having alsa trouble?
[08:58] <TheSheep> check if zsnes isn't hogging the audio
[08:58] <TheSheep> your sound card probably doesn't have a hardware mixer
[08:59] <ronnie> I saw some random python script going but killed that
[08:59] <ronnie> don't see anything that is using audio
[08:59] <TheSheep> so only one application can use it directly
[08:59] <TheSheep> lsof | grep /dev/dsp
[08:59] <ronnie> shows nothing
[09:00] <TheSheep> lsof | grep snd
[09:00] <ronnie> xfce4-mix and xfce-mcs
[09:00] <ronnie> sound works in firefox...
[09:00] <TheSheep> hmm...
[09:01] <TheSheep> so what doesn't work exactly?
[09:01] <ronnie> tremulous
[09:01] <ronnie> it gives blank screen pausing at sdl alsa part
[09:01] <ronnie> it was playing smoothly earlier though
[09:01] <TheSheep> can you pastebin your ps x
[09:01] <ronnie> perhaps I should try reboot?
[09:02] <TheSheep> if you reboot we will never know what's happening
[09:02] <ronnie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44701/
[09:03] <NotPullin> uh, so, if I installed a new kernel only having the linux-headers for it, what is the "right" way to build a new module from the source tree that wasn't included?
[09:03] <TheSheep> use module-assistant
[09:04] <TheSheep> ronnie: what was that 'random python script' you killed?
[09:05] <ronnie> no clue
[09:05] <TheSheep> name?
[09:06] <ronnie> I had exaile leave a random python script going before playing music and it pissed me off so I killed it
[09:06] <ronnie> but I don't even have that app on here
[09:06] <ronnie> I have absolutely no clue...
[09:06] <TheSheep> maybe it was supposed to clean up audio :)
[09:06] <ronnie> doubt it would be on user level then..
[09:07] <ronnie> either way audio works in firefox
[09:07] <TheSheep> I'm out of clues too
[09:07] <ronnie> restart then?
[09:07] <TheSheep> you can try
[09:07] <ronnie> knowing me I probably screwed up sound config again
[09:08] <ronnie> kk thx for help
[09:10] <NotPullin> TheSheep: uh, is m-a straightforward to use? it's not apparent to me what it's quite doing
[09:12] <ronnie> TheSheep: problem fixed, I think I'll grab zsnes from getdeb.net don't trust one in repository
[09:14] <ronnie> nope none there hmm..
[09:14] <ronnie> wonder if the feisty one works okay
[09:16] <ronnie> odd I don't see it there
[09:17] <ronnie> w/e guess I'll have to test it
[09:29] <whyking_> hi
[09:30] <whyking_> from firefox and opera totem player is normally started, lets me assume that it is set in xubuntu, how/where can I exchange totem with mplayer?
[09:31] <TheSheep> whyking_: it's set infirefox/opera
[09:31] <whyking_> hm
[09:31] <TheSheep> whyking_: they both have their own mechanisms for that
[09:31] <whyking_> can't find it though (in opera) but I'll have another look
[09:32] <TheSheep> whyking_: you can change the default application in the file's properties in thunar
[09:35] <whyking_> thx!
[09:36] <NotPullin> I hope I don't break my system doing this
[09:49] <umarzuki> hey guys
[10:11] <NotPullin> sweet jesus why is it so impossible to get the "right" kernel source
[10:35] <whyking_> I have an existing, bootable windows install on my hd, whats the best way to start that from linux? qemu, vmware...?
[11:34] <benpicco> Hi, if i plug in my usb stick, I get the message that mount is refused
[11:34] <benpicco> only if i mount it using sudo it works
[11:35] <benpicco> what might this be?
[11:43] <nopcode> hey
[11:43] <nopcode> i'm trying to boot with the xubuntu CD but after "kernel mapping tables..." the screen stays blank
[11:43] <nopcode> even when pressing escape and selecting text-mode
[11:43] <nopcode> actually i just want to repair my grub on the hdd after a vista installation :(
[11:43] <nopcode> any suggestions?
[11:43] <nopcode> (x86-64)
[12:22] <T0ft3n> Hello, I'm having trouble installing java6 on xubuntu, when I try sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre it tells me it depends on java-common and that java-common can't be installed
[12:24] <T0ft3n> is it possible to install java on xubuntu?
[13:04] <MatBoy> wow it's update week :)
[14:13] <aladinsane> can i somehow change the settings for windows so the don't snap to the left of my screen when i open them, maybe even so they open in the same place as the last time the were open?
[14:21] <aladinsane> aha! got it, if anybody else has the same problem you have to change the slider under settings->window manager tweaks->placement
[14:24] <kwhk> thanks aladinsane
[15:06] <dimeotane> is there a way to edit the xubuntu menu?  I want the kids account not to show accessories or system tools.  It doesn't show the changes I've made using the menu editor
[16:56] <sergio_> hello everybody. Need help on finding a graphical irc client. New to Linux (veryyyyyyy new) :-)
[16:57] <pshr> x-chat
[16:58] <sergio_> tried that one but couldn't figure how to hide localident
[17:00] <sergio_> Another
[17:00] <sergio_> oops, thkU pshr
[17:01] <pshr> hide ?
[17:01] <pshr> just dont run identd
[17:01] <sergio_> now for another subject (please be patient. Im not only non-english but also new to linux)
[17:02] <pshr> ok
[17:02] <sergio_> firewall. I have a standard xubuntu install, do i have already a firewall, should I install one, wich one?
[17:03] <pshr> firestarter is a setup friendly firewall
[17:04] <pshr> search for it in synaptic package manager and choose install
[17:04] <sergio_> AFAIK it comes with almost all ports closed. Now, assuming I instaled it... how do I open standard ports: irc, ftp.. and so on
[17:04] <pshr> first time you run it, it will be a wizard
[17:05] <sergio_> ok, ill try that. Thank you pshr, you really are patient :-)
[17:05] <sergio_> lol
[17:05] <pshr> np :)
[17:07] <sergio_> are you still with me? I have another question ;-)
[17:09] <sergio_> Ive partitioned hd, Winxp on primary, 3 ext3 parts, one for Opensuse, another forXubuntu, and a last one for /home. Another one for swap
[17:10] <sergio_> question: is /home "shared" among the distros?
[17:17] <sergio_> ok, c ur busy. I ll try some other time. T U pshr
[17:17] <sergio_> bye
[17:28] <kwhk> about firewall in xubuntu. if i want to open, say, port 22.  is there any simple way to do it without installing firestarter?
[17:29] <zoredache_> if you don't install a firewall then there is no... everything is open
[17:29] <zoredache_> *is none*
[17:34] <kwhk> isn't it that all ports by default are closed with xubuntu installation?
[17:34] <zoredache> no, it is that there are no listening services on a default installation
[17:35] <zoredache> the kernel will accept the traffic, but there is nothing there so it will simply return a message saying nobodies home
[17:39] <kwhk> the case is, from xubuntu box, i ssh the mac box, then copy a file from mac box to xubuntu box.  the error is, i am refused by port 22 on the xubuntu box.
[17:40] <zoredache> have you installed openssh-server on your xubuntu box?
[17:40] <zoredache> the ssh server is not installed by default
[17:42] <kwhk> u mean, the copy file function needs ssh server installed on the xubuntu box?
[17:43] <zoredache> the ssh server is not installed by default
[17:43] <zoredache> try this... on your xubuntu box go to a terminal and run an 'apt-get install openssh-server'
[17:51] <kwhk> thanks, zoredache. will try it.
[18:02] <dimeotane> is there a way to edit the xubuntu menu?  I want the kids account not to show accessories or system tools.  It doesn't show the changes I've made using the menu editor
[18:19] <kwhk> zoredache: u said by default all ports are open. so, for security reasons, should we install firewall software?
[18:24] <evil_tech> i thought all ports were closed by default?
[18:28] <kwhk> evil_tech: i did google but with no luck ...
[18:30] <evil_tech> having all ports open is a huge security hole i cant see a linux distribution doing that
[18:30] <evil_tech> i dont even think windows does that anymore
[18:36] <evil_tech> suppose a way to find out would be to port scan yourself
[18:37] <zoredache> there is no firewall by default, and the kernel will accept traffic on all ports by default.  But there are no listening services
[18:37] <kwhk> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=404630
[18:37] <zoredache> you really shouldn't need to run a firewall though
[18:38] <kwhk> that thread was about ubuntu. may apply to xubuntu as well.
[18:39] <zoredache> yes, but they are wrong when they tell you there is a firewall installed
[18:39] <zoredache> or perhaps it is how they use the word...
[18:40] <zoredache> to test... do this from a command line... 'sudo iptables --list'
[18:42] <evil_tech> its empty
[18:44] <zoredache> and everything is set to (policy ACCEPT)
[18:45] <zoredache> so to be specifc, you do have the kernel netfilter firewall module installed, but you don't have any configuration that blocks anything
[18:45] <zoredache> when I am saying you don't have a firewall installed, I mean you don't have a tool installed to manage the rules
[18:46] <zoredache> some people reccomend firestarter... Personally I prefer using firehol
[18:46] <evil_tech> cant you do it from the cli
[18:46] <zoredache> sure, but rules aren't saved between reboots
[18:47] <zoredache> most tools like firehol come with a script and a configuration file so the rules are re-establised on a reboot
[18:48] <zoredache> if you are behind a nat rounter (broadband router) then there really is no point though
[18:48] <evil_tech> true
[18:48] <zoredache> or if you don't have any listening services installed which IS the default
[18:48] <evil_tech> learn something new everyday :)
[18:48] <zoredache> by default the packets will get to your computer, but nothing will happen
[20:03] <Pollywog> does anyone know how I can keep NetworkManager from changing my /etc/resolv.conf ?
[20:03] <Pollywog> resolv.conf says not to edit the file
[20:03] <Pollywog> but I want to edit
[21:11] <slow-motion> re
[21:12] <somerville32> Hi
[21:21] <Quetzalcoatl> Question:  Installed Xubuntu 7.10 on my 1115-S103 laptop and mouse doesn't work.  Dmesg sees it, X says it uses it.  Had Ubuntu 7.04 that worked great.
[21:22]  * somerville32 is not sure.
[21:22] <somerville32> TheSheep will most likely know
[21:31] <TheSheep> Quetzalcoatl: what does xev say?
[22:00] <jmolek28> how do i change the hardware configuration, i need to change a cd drive
[22:02] <somerville32> jmolek28, Should do it automatically
[22:02] <jmolek28> okay, thanks.. i had to swap out a cd drive to install it and now im swapping it back
[22:27] <slow-motion> n8
[23:20] <heavenlyblade101> hey guys! guess what!
[23:21] <heavenlyblade101> ^.^ It was the monitor all along lol. i hooked it up to my grandmothers comp and it did the same thing to her, then tried it with my lappy and it happened 3 times before starting
[23:23] <evil_tech> didnt we ask if youd checked the monitor? :)
[23:24] <heavenlyblade101> i did :/ thats whats weird. i guess it was just luck that it wouldnt do it wiht hers until today
[23:25] <evil_tech> well at least you finally found the problem
[23:26] <heavenlyblade101> yeah, now i gotta go look for a new, cheap/free, monitor
[23:26] <heavenlyblade101> lol
[23:27] <heavenlyblade101> anyway gtg to work. ttyl thanks for all the help
[23:39] <evil_tech> should have used the pythagorean theorem b****
[23:40] <evil_tech> oops wrong window
[23:40] <evil_tech> ignore that