[00:00] <Sam1337> Somebody told me that Ubuntu means "can't install Debian" is this true?
[00:00] <Dr_willis> Sam1337,  its african for Friends I think.. check ubuntu.org for  the real info
[00:01] <Sam1337> I've been pronouncing Ubuntu wrong for ages and I've only just found out how to pronounce it lol
[00:02] <jdong> Sam1337: wrongly ;-)
[00:02] <Dr_willis> Like all the ways people in the stores Pronounce 'linux'
[00:02] <jdong> Sam1337: and lol @ that explanation of Ubuntu :)
[00:02] <BluesKaj> shaffy, ubuntu uses the gnome desktop , kubuntu uses the kde desktop , but both have the same name feisty or gutsy or whatever release and use the same 'kernel"
[00:03] <Sam1337> I pronounce Linux as lye nucks is that right?
[00:03] <Dr_willis> Linux is all about 'Layers and legos' :)
[00:03] <Dr_willis> Layers of legos even..
[00:03] <jdong> Sam1337: Linus himself pronounces it with a soft i, linn-ux
[00:03] <Dr_willis> where lego = bits of software
[00:03] <shaffy> BluesKaj: thanks for the clarification.
[00:03] <Dr_willis> Lynn-uxx
[00:03] <Dr_willis>  :)
[00:03] <BluesKaj> Sam1337, no it's like lynn -ucks
[00:03] <shaffy> so can i install openoffice2.3 from adept-manager?
[00:04] <Dr_willis> !info open-office
[00:04] <ubotu> Package open-office does not exist in gutsy
[00:04] <ardchoille> shaffy: Are you on Gutsy?
[00:04] <Sam1337> Why do so many people call it lynn -icks?
[00:04] <Dr_willis> Linix ? :)
[00:04] <purpleposeidon> I got 403 forbidden errors when I tried to update! :O
[00:05] <BluesKaj> yeah, heard that too
[00:05] <Sam1337> Because they are stupid I think.
[00:05] <Daisuke-Ido> a step below Minix?
[00:05] <jdong> Sam1337: because it rhymes with Unix and Minix better
[00:05] <Daisuke-Ido> purpleposeidon: so did the rest of us, calm down.
[00:05]  * purpleposeidon calms down
[00:05] <ardchoille> purpleposeidon: Lots of folks are getting the same error
[00:05] <jdong> !sambabug
[00:05] <ubotu> A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[00:05] <manager> hi
[00:05]  * Daisuke-Ido hands purpleposeidon a cup of tea
[00:05] <shaffy> ardchoille: i'm not sure how i find out if i am on Gutsy
[00:06] <ardchoille> shaffy: lsb_release -a | grep Release
[00:06] <purpleposeidon> Hmmm, but I can't upgrade the rest of the stuff. :/
[00:06] <pault> i didn't get 403 error, but some message about failed dependencies
[00:06] <shaffy> ardchoille: it just says release 7.04
[00:06] <PriceChild> !sambabug | pault
[00:06] <ubotu> pault: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[00:06] <shaffy> and that no LSB modules are available
[00:07] <Daisuke-Ido> shaffy: then you're on feisty
[00:07] <purpleposeidon> So, uhm, why don't the devs just hide the updates?
[00:07] <ardchoille> shaffy: 7.10 or 7.04?
[00:07] <jereme> purpleposeidon: add --fix-missing to your upgrade as the error suggests
[00:07] <shaffy> 7.04
[00:07] <jereme> purpleposeidon: that will make it ignore the offending packages
[00:08] <ardchoille> shaffy: Given the size of OO.o, if you want 2.3, I'd recommend upgrading to Gutsy. But, it's your call.
[00:08] <purpleposeidon> bah, --ignore-missing would be a better option name! :P
[00:08]  * Dr_willis pokes Minataku
[00:08] <jereme> purpleposeidon: well aren't you just a picky one today
[00:08] <ardchoille> shaffy: However, do not attempt to use gutsy sources in Feisty, that is dangerous
[00:08] <shaffy> ardchoille: what's the advantage to Gutsy?
[00:09] <jereme> shaffy: updated packages
[00:09] <ardchoille> shaffy: I haven't seen any yet
[00:09] <jereme> ardchoille: new file browser
[00:09] <Dr_willis> Gutsy is da latest and greatest. :)
[00:09] <ardchoille> well, other than newer versions of apps
[00:09] <Sam1337> Gutsy has compiz fusion :D
[00:09] <Dr_willis> new kernel, new drivers, new porn,, err.. scratch that...
[00:09] <ardchoille> Sam1337: I wouldn't call that an "advantage"
[00:09] <Sam1337> Gutsy supports drive encryption :D
[00:09] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: hahaha
[00:09] <jereme> the addition of the Dolphin file browser is a big difference
[00:10] <purpleposeidon> jereme: No, I'm being practical. "--fix-missing" sounds like it would do something else
[00:10] <Dr_willis> jereme,  and its easy to FIX that :)
[00:10] <jereme> compiz runs like dog crap with KDE.... last I tried
[00:10] <Dr_willis> !dolphin
[00:10] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[00:10] <Dr_willis> I have no real issues with compiz. (a few little bugs)
[00:10] <jereme> Dr_willis: I don't need to fix it.. I like dolphin better
[00:10]  * Dr_willis writes a perscription for jereme's head injury.
[00:10] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:10] <pault> purpleposeidon: i agree, but do you really want to help the user? :)
[00:10] <ardchoille> hahaha
[00:10] <shaffy> can someone tell me how to upgrade to Gutsy then?
[00:10] <shaffy> !info Gutsy
[00:11] <ardchoille> !upgrade
[00:11] <Greenery> my X keep oepning vesa driver although xorg.conf was set to driver nvidia. Any idea?
[00:11] <Dr_willis> Greenery,  how do you know its using the vesa driver?
[00:11] <ubotu> Package gutsy does not exist in gutsy
[00:11] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[00:11] <jereme> Greenery: get an nvidia card ;)
[00:11] <Sam1337> !dstats gutsy
[00:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dstats gutsy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:11] <jereme> !vista
[00:11] <ubotu> vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org
[00:12] <Greenery> well support from nvidia said so
[00:12] <Sam1337> Lol Vista has capatalism written all over it.
[00:13] <jereme> !capitalism
[00:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about capitalism - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:13] <Dr_willis> AnarchyLinux
[00:13] <jereme> haha
[00:13] <jereme> !communism
[00:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about communism - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:13] <Sam1337> Jereme please pm the bot instead of spamming up the chat.
[00:14] <jereme> Sam1337: my apologies
[00:14] <jereme> just feeling a little loopy late on a friday
[00:14] <Sam1337> It's Saturday.
[00:14] <jereme> that's debatable
[00:14] <Sam1337> It's been Saturday for nearly 15 minutes now.
[00:14] <Greenery> i was trying to use the proprietery beta driver from nvidia for my 8800GT but X won't load dues to GLX error
[00:14] <jereme> and it will be saturday in 7 hours and 45 minutes
[00:15] <jereme> GMT man
[00:15] <shaffy> so is Gutsy officially released for kubuntu?
[00:15] <jereme> shaffy: yup.. has been for a bit now
[00:15] <Sam1337> Why anybody would use any timezone other than gmt on a public irc channel is beyond my understanding.
[00:15] <shaffy> jereme: it's just weird that my system didn't ask me to upgrade to
[00:16] <shaffy> *to it
[00:16] <jereme> Sam1337: well the simple fact is that the sun isnt' down, and I don't work nights or weekends, and therefor it is not saturday morning for me
[00:17] <jereme> shaffy: see the upgrade link in the topic
[00:17] <BluesKaj> Sam1337, most ppl like their time locally :)
[00:17] <jereme> Sam1337: though it would satisfy you if I used GMT, the other some odd thousand people in my life wouldn't so much appreciate the sudden change
[00:18] <jereme> so forgive me if I don't adjust for a channel full of people I don't know
[00:19] <jereme> and... scene.
[00:19] <MilitantPotato> bravo.
[00:19]  * jereme bows
[00:20] <Greenery> anyone with Kubuntu and 8800GT here can use the latest beta driver from nvidia without any problem?
[00:20] <Dr_willis> I got an 8800 - but dont use the latest beta. :)  sorry
[00:21] <Greenery> u got the GT?
[00:21] <Dr_willis> i got a gtsxxx :)
[00:21] <Dr_willis> and yes its called a XXX :P
[00:21] <Greenery> heh okies
[00:21] <shaffy> jereme: thanks.  i'm on my way.
[00:21] <Dr_willis> I think.. it may be a gtxxx
[00:22] <Greenery> XFX card eh?
[00:22] <Dr_willis> Of course theres the new 8800's comming oyut soon.
[00:22] <Sam1337> The 8800gt looks well good. I hope that nvidia makes a new driver compatable with it and while its at it they should open the source of their driver to.
[00:22] <Dr_willis> yep. they had the best reviews at the time.
[00:22] <Dr_willis> I wouldent hold your breath for the OpenSource part. :P
[00:22] <Greenery> they've just released the beta driver for the 8800GT card, but seems like my X won't load after installing it
[00:23] <Sam1337> Is the fglrx driver open sourced yet?
[00:23] <Dr_willis> Sam1337,  not that i am aware of.
[00:23] <jereme> open sores
[00:24] <Dr_willis> i thought they were working on some licensing changes.. but i did not think they were going opensourced.
[00:24] <Dr_willis> But it will take a LOT of changes befor i ever buy an ati card again.
[00:24] <Rukus> i have two xorg processes.  any suggestions?
[00:24] <jereme> supposedly the newest ATI card is a big change
[00:24] <MilitantPotato> Rukus: using the new ATI drivers I take it?
[00:24] <Rukus> no
[00:24] <Rukus> using propritary with fglrx
[00:25] <MilitantPotato> built from the ati source drivers?
[00:25] <Sam1337> Ati cards are slower, noisier and hotter.
[00:25] <MilitantPotato> 8.43.2?
[00:25] <Dr_willis> It will take more then just a few changes to get ATI back into my good graces. heh
[00:25] <Rukus> built with the drivers that came with gutsy
[00:25] <MilitantPotato> Ah, no idea then.
[00:25] <Rukus> 8.43.2 are suppsoed to be better are they not?
[00:25] <Rukus> to fix my xorg problem i heard
[00:26] <Rukus> but, i dont wanna get into something from one small thread
[00:27] <Rukus> and of 512mb of ram, ubuntu uses it all
[00:27] <BluesKaj> Sam1337, the restricted ati driver in gutsy works better on the low -end onboards , the 8.43 driver works best on higher end ati seperate graphics cards
[00:27] <Rukus> is that normal?
[00:28] <Sam1337> BluesKaj so the 8.43 is open source then?
[00:28] <JavaMan> Hi All - anyone seen problems with update -  like won't complete?
[00:30] <Greenery> yup wait for the next update to fix that issue i guess
[00:31] <JavaMan> sounds like catch-22
[00:32] <vigil> hola
[00:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> oi
[00:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> !sambabug | JavaMan
[00:33] <ubotu> JavaMan: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[00:37] <Minataku> Dr_willis: :D
[00:37] <JavaMan> Thanks !
[00:40] <BluesKaj> Sam1337, nothe 8.43 is the ATI proprietary linux driver
[00:45] <Knoogle> I have a issue with Dolphin I was hoping someone could help me with....   When Mapping a Drive to a SMB share in Dolphin I can't create files on the Share...     But When using the Same Credentials on Konqueror it works just fine...
[00:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> !d3lphin
[00:47] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[00:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> i recommend following that
[00:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> because d3lphin is horrible.
[00:47] <Daisuke_Laptop> mind you, once kde4 drops, you can use dolphin, which is a much much nicer experience
[00:48] <Knoogle> Well it seems to be a Bug in Dolphin..  That I can't copy files to a SMB share..  Of course I haven't tried doing the same to sftp
[00:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> again, it isn't dolphin
[00:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> dolphin works
[00:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> d3lphin has actually been abandoned for some time, as i understand it
[00:50] <Dr_willis> Minataku,  did ya get the package?
[00:50] <Dr_willis> Knoogle,  ive had all sorts of issues with the dolphin manager.
[00:51] <Knoogle> Ahhh, Now I get it...  The Backport sucks
[00:51] <Dr_willis> Knoogle,  for samba shares. You may want to try out that samba-fuse tool. it jiust seems to work better for me then the built in samba browser features of these filemanagers
[00:52] <Knoogle> Will do..  I was just wondering if I was doing something screwed...
[00:52] <MilitantPotato> How do I get the small volume control icon back in system tray?
[00:53] <Dr_willis> run kmixer (i think)
[00:53] <Dr_willis> kmix :)
[00:54] <Knoogle> Go To the Launcher --> Under Multimedia there is kmix Also
[00:54] <MilitantPotato> awsome, thanks.
[00:55] <MilitantPotato> t
[00:55] <ForeverZero> Is there any way to play Chess with someone using Windows?
[00:55] <MilitantPotato> now to figure out why my volume keys stopped working
[00:55] <Dr_willis> ForeverZero,  theres several free chess programs out. :) but i dont use any.
[00:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> ForeverZero: get out a chess set and sit down to play a game
[00:55] <GE> BluesKaj, if by ATI driver, you mean fglrx, I'm not even past the live cd phase, and 'ati' doesn't work
[00:55] <ForeverZero> I want to use the "MSN gaming zone", but it only likes iexplore.exe , maybe I can run that on wine?
[00:56] <BluesKaj> no GE , in xorg it's called ati , not fglrx
[00:56] <Dr_willis> ForeverZero,  i belive theres places other then MSN's lameing zone. :)
[00:56] <GE> yeah, tired that already
[00:56] <GE> *tried
[00:57] <GE> error is "No devices detected"
[01:00] <GE> I'm trying to make the kubuntu livecd start, I have a radeon FireGL V5200 (X1600) and X kinda starts, then crashes, when I try to just type 'startx' It load up so I get a mouse, can move the mouse around, then crashes back to the terminal.  Nothing in the logs.  Any ideas?
[01:05] <gon> !easyeclipse
[01:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easyeclipse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:05] <kak[ZzZ]> ok
[01:05] <kak[ZzZ]> i have a question
[01:06] <[ka]killer> why the hell does my gamma keep getting screwed up
[01:06] <Minataku> Dr_Willis: I did
[01:06] <Minataku> However, both A500s seem to be broken
[01:07] <[ka]killer> when i lock the computer, adn come back, the gamma on my monitor is all screwed up
[01:07] <Dr_willis> well i had one working befor i boxed it up
[01:08] <[ka]killer> its way to hi and everythign is much brighter then it should be
[01:08] <Dr_willis> Its possible its just a power supply issue.
[01:08] <Minataku> Where is the A1200?
[01:08] <Dr_willis> its still looking for a decent box. the UPS store dident want me to use the other box i had. They got some  stricter rules now.
[01:08] <Minataku> Heh
[01:08] <Dr_willis> and i got 3 box's of disks.
[01:08] <Minataku> Coo
[01:08] <Dr_willis> aparently paperwrapped box's is not a good thing to them.
[01:08] <Minataku> Heh
[01:09] <Dr_willis> But i DO rember one of those 500's working. I even played some game on it for about 10 min in the garrage befor i packed it up
[01:09] <BluesKaj> paper fibers cause minute scratches on discs
[01:09] <Minataku> Hm
[01:10] <Minataku> Well, when I tried them, neither were
[01:10] <Minataku> And I've stripped one for parts
[01:10] <Dr_willis> bummer. Its hard to tell if the PS's are good either. since they got no fans.
[01:10] <Minataku> Since it was a total mess
[01:10] <Dr_willis> Yep. :) that was the parts machine.
[01:10] <Minataku> Bingo
[01:10] <Dr_willis> I got a CD32 also i need to pack up
[01:10] <Minataku> It's keyboard was nice, though
[01:10] <Minataku> In fact, I swapped the keyboard out of the messy one into the good one
[01:11] <Dr_willis> Its just sad that C= never really did use normal PC keybsards..  Actually the CD32 CAN use a PS2 keyboard.
[01:11] <Dr_willis> and Mouse I think.
[01:11] <Minataku> It was in pretty nice condition, unlike the rest of the parts machine XD
[01:11] <BluesKaj> well, gonna watch some tv for a while ...BBL
[01:11] <Minataku> But I do have an ultrawide DIP-64 68000 in my collection now :D
[01:11] <Dr_willis> But the CD32 is missing its PS. but it does have a CD and with a parnet cable you can get the other amigas to use the cd.
[01:12] <Minataku> Coo
[01:12] <Dr_willis> Been doing the rounds at work looking for another nice cardbord box.
[01:12] <Minataku> Heehee, thx ^^
[01:13] <Dr_willis> It sat here boxed up for like 3 weeks.. then one day i tripped over it as i was going to the  grocery store. :)
[01:14] <MilitantPotato> where do I modify media keys?
[01:14] <MilitantPotato> on the keyboard
[01:14] <ibrahim> hi everyone
[01:14] <ibrahim> ı want to ask sth.
[01:15] <ibrahim> is there anyone who use groovy & grails
[01:15] <Dr_willis> what the heck is Grovy and Grails?
[01:16] <ibrahim> it is agile web development tool
[01:20] <ibrahim> i think no one knows :(
[01:21] <Minataku> It sounds like one of those lousy Web 2.0 dev things like "Ruby on Rails"
[01:21] <Minataku> They're extremely poor
[01:21] <ibrahim> realy ?
[01:21] <ibrahim> why ?
[01:21] <Minataku> I would suggest not using them at all unless your project will only be used by a small amount of users
[01:21] <Minataku> Ruby on Rails in particular doesn't scale well at all
[01:22] <ibrahim> groovy & grails is design for java platform and seems like ruby on rails
[01:22] <ibrahim> did you use any of them minataku ?
[01:23] <Minataku> No, but I know of a project that basically collapsed because of Ruby on Rails' poor scalability
[01:23] <Minataku> Twas called "Danbooru"
[01:23] <Minataku> Eventually the whole thing had to be rewritten from scratch without using Ruby at all
[01:24] <ibrahim> hımm thanks alot minakatu
[01:24] <Minataku> The number of people using the app caused the server, a quad-core monsterbox to flail like a PC/XT
[01:24] <Minataku> lol
[01:25] <Minataku> np
[01:25] <Minataku> That said, I know nothing about the one you mentioned
[01:25] <Minataku> It may be good, but Java isn't known for being incredibly fast, especially in web applets
[01:27] <ibrahim> for the grails framework the developers develop a new language wihich's syntax is similar to
[01:27] <ibrahim> java
[01:27] <maduser> when i upgrade, everything will upgrade except something with samabia if i try to upgrade it i get an error
[01:27] <ibrahim> and its called
[01:27] <ibrahim> groovy
[01:27] <ibrahim> its like ruby
[01:27] <maduser> everything will upgrade except sambia
[01:27] <Minataku> Python is better
[01:27] <Minataku> !sambabug | maduser
[01:27] <ubotu> maduser: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[01:27] <maduser> thanks
[01:27] <Minataku> np
[01:28] <ibrahim> you use python ?
[01:28] <inversekinetix> what sets kubuntu apart from ubuntu?
[01:28] <Minataku> inversekinetix: KDE instead of GNOME
[01:29] <inversekinetix> basically nothing other than the gui
[01:29] <Minataku> ibrahim: No, but I've seen things done in both, and Python is a lot better
[01:29] <Minataku> inversekinetix: Yep
[01:29] <bazhang> inversekinetix: superior apps, better integration, better looking, more customizable, no brown :}
[01:30] <inversekinetix> why do some apps fail to run on on other desktops?
[01:30] <Minataku> bazhang: No GNOME is as far as one needs to go
[01:30] <Minataku> That's the dealmaker right there
[01:30] <Minataku> lol
[01:30] <inversekinetix> can i use compiz with it?
[01:30] <bazhang> Minataku: some would disagree, but I am agnostic :}
[01:31] <Minataku> lol
[01:31] <bazhang> I like em both
[01:31] <bazhang> just installed ubuntu on my other machine
[01:31] <Minataku> I hate GNOME
[01:31] <Minataku> I'm also extremely displeased with GTK
[01:31] <soberon> Good evening... please: Amarok do not play radio streams; says no-decoders How can I fix it?
[01:31] <inversekinetix> get decoders
[01:32] <bazhang> soberon: what streams are you trying to play mms?
[01:32] <soberon> somafm
[01:32] <inversekinetix> synpatic >>> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:32] <bazhang> adept in this case
[01:33] <soberon> adept?... what i must look for?
[01:34] <bazhang> kubuntu-restricted-extras soberon
[01:34] <bazhang> also available from the command line sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:35] <bazhang> try installing those soberon
[01:35] <soberon> Thanks a lot... so restricted extras will install decoders OK?
[01:36] <bazhang> soberon: likely will do; if not you can get the medibuntu repositories as well
[01:36] <bazhang> try it and see soberon
[01:36] <soberon> all right!! Thanks again an see you
[01:37] <bazhang> soberon:  no worries :}
[01:37] <soberon> good look bazhang
[01:37] <ibrahim> thanks alot minataku
[01:37] <ibrahim> see you cav
[01:43] <[ka]killer> ok i have 6 files to update and it keeps failing
[01:44] <bazhang> !sambabug | [ka]killer
[01:44] <ubotu> [ka]killer: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[01:44] <[ka]killer> k
[01:44] <[ka]killer> tx
[01:44] <[ka]killer> ty*
[01:45] <bazhang> np
[01:45] <bazhang> should be fixed in short order
[01:45] <[ka]killer> k
[01:49] <tuxwulf> How to fix the "error committing changes" situation when updating with adept?
[01:51] <tuxwulf> Mmmm... CLI rules, stilll...
[01:51] <CPrompt^> i'm running Feisty and there's an update to Samba.  But when I download it, there's errors and it quits.  Says 403 Forbidden.  Any ideas?
[01:51] <tuxwulf> CPrompt^: See a few lines up ...
[01:52] <tuxwulf> !sambabug | CPrompt^
[01:52] <ubotu> CPrompt^: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[01:52] <CPrompt^> tuxwulf : just came in and I don't have anything  except you saying "CLI rules"
[01:52] <CPrompt^> ah....good stuff.  Thanks!  ubotu comes to the rescue  LOL
[01:52] <CPrompt^> thanks again
[01:53] <jmichaelx> anyone else getting '403 forbidden' when trying to upgrade packages from the security.ubuntu.com repos?
[01:53] <tuxwulf> CPrompt^: ....YOu do not get some history lines when you come in...? Oh I guess that is optonal then...
[01:53] <tuxwulf> !sambabug | jmichaelx
[01:53] <ubotu> jmichaelx: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[01:53] <tuxwulf> Spread the word....
[01:54] <jmichaelx> tuxwulf: ty much, kind sir
[01:54] <NightBird> so I take it this was a pretty serious defect then, eh?
[01:54] <Daisuke-Ido> could we get an op to put it in the topic?
[01:54] <tuxwulf> I guess it must be ....
[01:54] <Daisuke-Ido> or...  an on-join notice?
[01:55] <NightBird> Daisuke-Ido: on join notice == spam for the most part, and people rarely read the topic :-/
[01:55] <jmichaelx> i hope they're not too bad, because i have those upgrades installed on my lappy....
[01:55] <jmichaelx> i upgraded that machine early this morning
[01:57] <NightBird> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/163042 << this may be the bug
[01:57] <jmichaelx> does compiz still kill superkaraba widgets in KDE?
[01:57] <jmichaelx> superkaramba
[01:57] <Daisuke-Ido> NightBird: you're right :\
[01:58] <Daisuke-Ido> but spamming the bot message right now is just as bad
[01:58] <NightBird> hm... but this says it's the dapper repos
[01:58] <jmichaelx> dapper and edgy
[01:58] <NightBird> oh, no, feisty and gutsy are also affected
[01:58] <jmichaelx> it says feisty and gutsy are ok
[01:59] <NightBird> "Turns out that upstream's fix for CVE-2007-4572 was incomplete and Feisty and Gutsy are also affected. As such, feisty and gutsy packages have been disabled. I have also linked to the upstream bug report. Updated packages without this patch will be provided for all releases. CVE-2007-4572 is a DoS but believed to not be exploitable."
[01:59] <NightBird> from the comment section
[01:59] <jmichaelx> ahh
[02:00] <jmichaelx> does anyone know if compiz/compiz-fusion still kills superkaramba widgets in KDE?
[02:00] <NightBird> jmichaelx: does it appear to be doing so?
[02:01] <jmichaelx> NightBird: i do not have it installed..... but beryl did in feisty. maybe my question should have been more specific
[02:02] <Harahu> Hi all
[02:03] <NightBird> jmichaelx: I don't know... you could always install compiz and find out :P
[02:03] <NightBird> hi Harahu
[02:03] <jmichaelx> well i just upgraded the video card on my very out-of-date box to a PCI GeForce 6200, thank God for envy
[02:04] <jmichaelx> NightBird: that might be what i do to find out :-D
[02:04] <Harahu> Hello Night Bird. What is the most recent stable Kubuntu OS (mean out of testing and such)?
[02:04] <NightBird> 7.10 is the current version of Kubuntu
[02:04] <jmichaelx> 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon
[02:06] <Harahu> So it is stable now,  I thought it was still in beta, I must have mis read something.
[02:06] <NightBird> Harahu: 7.10 has been out of beta since october
[02:07] <Harahu> Then I did misread something.
[02:07] <NightBird> (the way the numbers go is the year.month of release.  so 7.10 means it got released in October of 2007)
[02:08] <Harahu> I see, I was confused 'cause on the site it said the the release before it was 4.sometime, well that explains it.
[02:17] <sfears> hello
[02:22] <Harahu> Are any of Y'all developers?
[02:22] <Harahu> (Just wondering.)
[02:29] <NickPresta> Harahu, developers of what? Kubuntu?
[02:30] <Harahu> Yes.
[02:30] <Jucato> there might be some lurking around. but this is mostly the user channel
[02:31] <Harahu> I see.
[02:32] <sherwin> hey, guys. Just did a clean installation on a friends computer. He had Suse 10.2. I preserved his home directory. Everything works fine except when a cd or any external medium is put in, he gets a double pop up asking what he wants to do. How do i make this behave normally?
[02:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> how many times have you asked that now?
[02:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> sherwin: have you sprinkled the chicken blood on the installation media?
[02:33] <sherwin> ummm.. no
[02:33] <sherwin> trying to quit :)
[02:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> hmm
[02:33] <Daisuke_Laptop> have you danced around naked with a stick clenched in your teeth?
[02:33] <sammy-afk> so kde4-beta 3 packages were available the day kde4-beta3 was announced. kde4-beta4 was announced before halloween, are there no plans to release packages for beta4? can't seem to find any forum posts with answers other than 'compile it', which I guess is an option.
[02:33] <sherwin> i think there is something left over from the suse home partition that is messing with things,. just need to know what to delete.. Anyone got a real answer?
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> i was just making sure you weren't trying to run windows
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> lemme think for a second
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> is the disc reading at two mount points?
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> that could possibly explain it
[02:34] <sherwin> hang on, let me check the fstab
[02:35] <sherwin> no. Example: i put in a thumb drive, i get two windows asking what i want to do with it.
[02:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> two copies of the same window, i'm assuming
[02:35] <sherwin> yes, except one has a (2) in the titlebar
[02:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> right
[02:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> hmm
[02:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> i should probably use kde more than i do
[02:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> i would be more useful in this
[02:36] <sammy> sherwin: when you say preserved, how exactly did you go about that? did the user log into kde before you copied over ~/.kde, or was it in place before he logged in the first time?
[02:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> but, not knowing what suse puts in its home partition...
[02:37] <sammy> are there any other users on the machine that you can login and try to duplicate the behavior? that'll at least narrow it down to his personal settings.
[02:37] <sherwin> i left the /home partition intactr, formatted the root partition, performed a clean install and mounted the old home partition, using the same username
[02:37] <sammy> and the kde versions were identical?
[02:37] <sherwin> probably not... everything else works fine, though. I assume there is one config file i need to delete and let kde rebuild it on next boot
[02:38] <sammy> that's really weird. maybe try grepping everything in ~/.kde for things like mount or whatever the device name is, like cdrom or sda1
[02:39] <sherwin> sammy: can you help me with formatting? not usre how to use grep
[02:42] <sammy> check ~/.kde/config/medianotifierrc
[02:43] <sammy> that seems like the place to start. btw grep is "grep string file" so "grep mount *" or "grep mount * */* */*/*" etc. there's probably a better way of searching recursively, using 'for each' or some such
[02:43] <Kalamarenku> konversation won't allow me connect to other servers! Why ? anybody knows how to correct that?
[02:44] <sammy> oh. grep -r checks recursively.
[02:44]  * sammy pets the manpage
[02:44] <Jucato> Kalamarenku: how are you trying to connect to other servers?
[02:44] <Kalamarenku> by using the command /server eu.undernet.org
[02:44]  * Jucato throws an -i at sammy too
[02:45] <Jucato> Kalamarenku: I don't think that really is a command that Konversation recognizes. Have you tried File -> Quick Connect?
[02:45] <Kalamarenku> it works with mIRC in windows.. ssame system ... it should work on konversation too
[02:45] <Kalamarenku> jucato yes
[02:46] <Jucato> oops sorry bout that
[02:48] <BluesKaj> Kalamarenku, konversation requires manual server setup
[02:48] <Kalamarenku> ok did that
[02:48] <Kalamarenku> and yes it recognizes the command
[02:49] <Kalamarenku> it works fine for freenode
[02:49]  * Jucato can connect to other servers, but not with the /server command
[02:49] <BluesKaj> freenode is the default konversation server
[02:50] <Kalamarenku> i know
[02:55] <FroggyTheGreat> I've got some install questions, if anyone can help...
[02:56] <MilitantPotato> My volume keys still won't work, I can't even get them to bind now :(
[02:56] <MilitantPotato> if i hit the volume up key my curser flashes when it's in a text window
[02:56] <flodine> i really like kde
[02:56] <MilitantPotato> it's registering a keypress but it's obviously confused as to which
[02:56] <FroggyTheGreat> gparted made my new partition ext2, but my data partition is already ext3.  Is there a difference I'd notice?
[02:57] <MilitantPotato> !ex3
[02:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ex3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:57] <MilitantPotato> !ext3
[02:57] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[02:57] <FroggyTheGreat> !ext2
[02:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ext2 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:57] <MilitantPotato> try googling EXT3 vs EXT2
[02:59] <FroggyTheGreat> Got it.  ext3 is ext2 with journaling.
[02:59] <FroggyTheGreat> Considering how often I hit that bad memory sector and freeze, I want ext3.
[03:01] <MilitantPotato> this is frustraiting
[03:02] <MilitantPotato> i can bind all the other media keys to volume up and down, just not the ones that worked earlier today
[03:04] <FroggyTheGreat> Nothing quite like that moment of terror when you hit "install" and wonder "I did pick the right partition to format, right?"
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> heh
[03:05] <FroggyTheGreat> ...even though I double-checked.
[03:06] <MilitantPotato> yea
[03:07] <MilitantPotato> I whiped about 4 years of pictures e-books and random stuff I'd gathered doing htat
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> yech.
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> always make backups..
[03:08] <FroggyTheGreat> Backups, by and large, are made.
[03:16] <MilitantPotato> well
[03:16] <MilitantPotato> with xev it's registering a keypress
[03:17] <MilitantPotato> KDE is just ignoring it, lovely.
[03:32] <MilitantPotato> meh.
[03:33] <MilitantPotato> Anyone have an idea why xev registers my volume up and down, but I can't bind them in Kmix
[03:33] <MilitantPotato> mute works fine though.
[03:35] <BigIron> #singles
[03:35] <BigIron> #singles
[03:41] <kijutsu> My motherboard (a8v deluxe) has a built in sound card.  In the BIOS it's disabled, it seems that Kubuntu is ignoring BIOS settings and re-enabling the onboard card (VIA 8237), however I also have a SBLive! card installed.  I want to use the SBLive! as my main card and disable the Via 8237 entirely.  How would I go about doing this?  I have no sound output at all from the SBlive!.
[03:42] <ignoramus> Help! I can't update --> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[03:44] <MilitantPotato>  !xmodmap
[03:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xmodmap - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:44] <MilitantPotato> !xmod
[03:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xmod - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <ignoramus> Got this in Konsole:Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[03:48] <ignoramus> neither option fixes the problem
[03:49] <Daisuke-Ido> oi
[03:49] <Daisuke-Ido> !sambabug | ignoramus
[03:49] <ubotu> ignoramus: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[03:49] <Daisuke-Ido> i should just hotkey that
[03:50] <ignoramus> daisuke-ido: so i should just ignore this?
[03:50] <Daisuke-Ido> ignoramus: for now
[03:51] <ignoramus> daisuke-ido: thank you.  at least i know it wasn't something i screwed up, then XD
[03:51] <ignoramus> gnite all
[03:53] <MilitantPotato> :(
[03:54] <MilitantPotato>     174         0x1008ff11 (XF86AudioLowerVolume)
[03:54] <MilitantPotato>     176         0x1008ff13 (XF86AudioRaiseVolume)
[03:54] <MilitantPotato> yet they don't work, I don't get it.
[03:56] <MilitantPotato> Is anyone willing to help?
[04:02] <sheldonc> any chance we'll see newer version of libsoprano in the repos/
[04:02] <sheldonc> ?
[04:03] <Dr_willis> proberly not.
[04:03] <Dr_willis> perhaps in backports. :) but normally ubuntu does updates every 6 mo.
[04:10] <MilitantPotato> :(
[04:11] <MilitantPotato> willis any idea why KDE would ignore a keypress?
[04:12] <Dr_willis> Never noticed. :) it may be more of an X issue then KDE.
[04:12] <Tm_T> MilitantPotato: what you mean by ignore
[04:12] <MilitantPotato> it's being detected with xev
[04:12] <Dr_willis> But i do seem to recall my laptop/media keys doing that XF86 Raise/Lower stuff.. and they worked.
[04:12] <MilitantPotato> Well, I can't bind them to volume up and down
[04:12] <Tm_T> roger
[04:13] <Dr_willis> I got a knob on my speakers. :) so  i dont mess with the stuff much
[04:13] <Dr_willis> i wonder if the thing would work properly with gnome.
[04:13] <MilitantPotato> I can check.
[04:13] <Tm_T> yuck
[04:13] <darksider415> Same here.. Although I wish my play/pause, etc.. buttons on the notebook would work under Gutsy, like they did under Feisty and Gutsy until Tribe 4...
[04:14] <MilitantPotato> state 0x10, keycode 174 (keysym 0x1008ff11, XF86AudioLowerVolume)      174         0x1008ff11 (XF86AudioLowerVolume)
[04:16] <MilitantPotato> pressing the keys causes the text curser to flicker
[04:17] <ubuntu> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:17] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager: Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 498 kB, installed size 3268 kB
[04:17] <ubuntu> !info compizconfig-settings-manager feisty
[04:17] <ubotu> Package compizconfig-settings-manager does not exist in feisty
[04:17] <ubuntu> hmm
[04:17] <altg> hie all
[04:17]  * ubuntu sips a coffee
[04:19] <genii> Hi gang :)
[04:19] <MilitantPotato> brb ill see if it works in gnome
[04:20] <Kalamarenku> are you guys able to connect to other servers?
[04:20] <Kalamarenku> can you connect to undernet?
[04:20] <Jucato> give me a server addy and I'll try
[04:20] <Kalamarenku> type /server SantaAna.CA.US.Undernet.org
[04:21] <Kalamarenku> or type /server eu.Undernet.org
[04:21] <MilitantPotato> it works perfectly in Gnome
[04:21] <altg> im french, recently under linux, and only under kubuntu for 6 months
[04:21] <Jucato> Kalamarenku: yes, but again, not using /server
[04:22] <Kalamarenku> XCHAT?
[04:22] <Jucato> konversation
[04:22] <Kalamarenku> Jucato: I have tried everything...
[04:22] <altg> why does he speak of gnone in this kubuntu chan ??
[04:22] <Jucato> oh I've tried using /server eu.undernet.org now
[04:22] <Kalamarenku> Jucato: I have added it with quick connect with config...is not working
[04:22] <MilitantPotato> because it was mentioned my problem might be caused by Xserver
[04:23] <Kalamarenku> Konversation , XCHAT can be installed in Kubuntu ...
[04:23] <Jucato> Kalamarenku: [12:22] [Welcome] Welcome to the UnderNet IRC Network, Jucato
[04:23] <Kalamarenku> altg after all it is Linux, and is Ubuntu....
[04:23] <MilitantPotato> Anyone have any idea why KDE is ignoring my X86 keypresses?
[04:23] <Jucato> !keyboard
[04:23] <ubotu> To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[04:24] <Jucato> hm...  no not that
[04:24] <Kalamarenku> !IRC
[04:24] <Jucato> !shortcuts
[04:24] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[04:24] <altg> Working server eu.undernet.org
[04:24] <ubotu> keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[04:24] <Jucato> MilitantPotato: ^^^
[04:24] <MilitantPotato> yeabeen there done that :)
[04:24] <altg> just test, and it works
[04:24] <Kalamarenku> yeah
[04:24] <Jucato> Kalamarenku: it might be a problem on your end/connection
[04:24] <Kalamarenku> I did that it does not work
[04:24] <Kalamarenku> next thing I will contact my ISP ..
[04:24] <Jucato> it works for 2 of us
[04:24] <MilitantPotato> Jucato: they worked earlier today
[04:24] <Kalamarenku> and see what is going on
[04:24] <Kalamarenku> yeah
[04:24] <Jucato> Kalamarenku: tried using some other IRC client?
[04:25] <Kalamarenku> I was connecting in Kubuntu from work in Pidgin and konversation
[04:25] <Jucato> does it also not work?
[04:25] <Kalamarenku> yes
[04:25] <Kalamarenku> all of em
[04:25] <Kalamarenku> nope
[04:25] <Kalamarenku> they do not
[04:25] <Kalamarenku> but !
[04:25] <Kalamarenku> I am chatting in Kubuntu !
[04:25] <Jucato> then it's not an app problem :)
[04:25] <Kalamarenku> yes...
[04:25] <Kalamarenku> it is veeery strange though
[04:26] <Jucato> very :/
[04:26] <Tann> does anyone know how to make kubuntu start without starting the Xserver
[04:26] <altg> yes that's strange
[04:27] <simon__> removing kdm?
[04:27] <Tann> no, just not starting xserver
[04:27] <Jucato> nah, that'd be too much :)
[04:27] <stdin> Tann: permanently or temperately?
[04:27] <crimsun> Tann: just remove the executable bits on /etc/init.d/kdm
[04:27] <Jucato> "temporarily"
[04:27] <stdin> yeah :p
[04:27] <Jucato> crimsun: is that even recommended?
[04:28] <crimsun> Jucato: <dev hat>no</dev hat>
[04:28] <stdin> update-rc.d is the recommended way
[04:28] <Tann> well, i mean so that i can start it manually. I guess i do the  /etc/init.d/kdm
[04:28] <Jucato> crimsun: oooh where did you buy that hat? or does it come w/ shipit? :)
[04:28] <crimsun> stdin: update-rc.d will cause the reinstallation of that file on upgrades.  You likely /don't/ want those semantics.
[04:28] <stdin> Tann: sudo update-rc.d kdm remove
[04:29] <stdin> crimsun: removing the +x will be undone on upgrades too
[04:29] <Tann> stdin: may i ask what exactally that does?
[04:29] <stdin> Tann: removed the links that run the script at startup (and shutdown)
[04:30] <stdin> s/removed/removes/
[04:30] <crimsun> stdin: not in my experience.
[04:30] <Tann> stdin: thanks a bunch
[04:30] <stdin> ie: the ones in /etc/rc.?/?kdm
[04:30] <Jucato> (silly upstart!)
[04:31] <sfears> i use dhclient to grab an ipaddress when i boot up, when i right click on my knetwork manager it doesn't show any available wireless networks, any idea why it wouldn't be displaying anything?
[04:32] <Kalamarenku> can you check which ports are blocked in Ubuntu ?
[04:32] <sfears> i also tried to remove an applet from the panel and accidentallly clicked on something (not sure what) and all my open applications disapeared from the panel. does anyone know how to get them back?  I added window list manager and it works but it's not the same thing
[04:33] <stdin> no ports are blocked by default
[04:33] <Kalamarenku> damn it
[04:33] <Kalamarenku> then it is my freakin ISP
[04:33] <sfears> ports are usually blocked by the router
[04:33] <sfears> you need to configure port forwarding
[04:33] <Jucato> Kalamarenku: have you tried connecting to a specific port when you connect to other IRC servers? by default I think Kubuntu uses 8001
[04:33] <MilitantPotato> Jucato: thank you.
[04:34] <Jucato> MilitantPotato: did the link help?
[04:34] <MilitantPotato> yep, I'm at a loss why the volume controls broke but the rest didn't
[04:34] <Jucato> :)
[04:34] <Kalamarenku> Jucato: undernet uses ports 6667-7000
[04:34] <Jucato> Kalamarenku: try connecting w/ port 6667
[04:35] <Kalamarenku> did that also
[04:35] <Jucato> that would be a possible cause :)
[04:35] <Kalamarenku> and 6668-6669-7000
[04:35] <Kalamarenku> yes, I am almost sure it is the ISP has the ports blocked
[04:37] <ubunturos> if there's just 2 MB of RAM available, will newer apps start slower, than they actually do? (from #kde)
[04:37] <crimsun> not necessarily.
[04:37] <Jucato> not noticeablly slower, unless you're running out of swap too
[04:38] <crimsun> (and we're missing detail whether there's a considerable amount that's freeable, e.g., dcache)
[04:38] <ubunturos> hmm, well, they appear to do so for me..
[04:38] <Tann> grr, sory to ask this again
[04:38] <Tann> but what was the comand that i was told
[04:38] <crimsun> Mem:          1509        840        669   <-- does not imply that I can only start an app with a footprint smaller than 669 MB.
[04:38] <stdin> Tann: sudo update-rc.d kdm remove
[04:38] <Tann> thx
[04:39] <crimsun> -/+ buffers/cache:        251       1258  <-- it's more realistically closer to 1258 MB
[04:39] <ubunturos> hmm, does Konqueror has a "Window" menu in the menu bar?
[04:40] <ubunturos> have*
[04:40] <stdin> not that I can see
[04:40] <Jucato> Konqueror has. but Kubuntu's Konqueror doesn't :)
[04:41] <ubunturos> Jucato: ah, ok.
[04:41] <Jucato> a.k.a. vanilla Konqueror has
[04:41] <stdin> so that's a "yesno"
[04:41] <ubunturos> hmm
[04:41] <Jucato> "okcancel"
[04:41] <Jucato> ubunturos: most of the entries under the Window menu can be reached via right-click on the status bar
[04:41]  * ubunturos was going through the KDE QUickstart guide (for tips) and found that Konqueror should have Window-Show terminal emulator
[04:42] <Jucato> ubunturos: press F8
[04:42] <ubunturos> Jucato: F8 works, right click doesn't :-?
[04:42] <Jucato> hm?
[04:42] <Jucato> F8 = Show terminal emulator (embedded terminal)
[04:42] <ubunturos> Jucato: right click only offers, split views
[04:43] <Jucato> right-click on status bar = split views
[04:43] <Jucato> yes, I did say "most" entries in the Window menu, not *all*
[04:43] <ubunturos> Jucato: oops, sorry.
[04:45] <DRtuxthepenguin> !dolphin
[04:45] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[04:45] <Jucato> ubunturos: well, basically the Window has 3-4 sets of entries. The first set is for splitting views, which can be reaches via right-click on the status bar or keyboard shortcuts (my favorite)
[04:45] <ubunturos> Jucato: hmm, thanks.
[04:45] <DRtuxthepenguin> !Konqueror
[04:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konqueror - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <ubunturos> :-o
[04:45] <Jucato> ubunturos: 2nd and 3rd sets are for tab management
[04:45] <Jucato> 4th set is for Terminal Emulator (F8) and Navigation Panel (F9)
[04:46] <ubunturos> Jucato: hmm, ok.
[04:56] <Gannondorf> Need help with compiling error
[04:57] <Gannondorf> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[04:58] <Jucato> !xincludes | Gannondorf
[04:58] <ubotu> Gannondorf: When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   xorg-dev
[05:00] <Gannondorf> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:00] <Gannondorf> oops
[05:00] <Gannondorf> E: Package xlibs-dev has no installation candidate
[05:00] <crimsun> use libx11-dev and the others
[05:00] <crimsun> xorg-dev should pull in the basic ones
[05:01] <Gannondorf> thanks
[05:02] <ubunturos> smbclient and samba-common failed upgrades yesterday - how do I fix the
[05:02] <ubunturos> them*
[05:08] <Gannondorf> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[05:09]  * Jucato wonders what Gannondorf is trying to compile...
[05:09] <Gannondorf> ktorrent
[05:09] <ubunturos> oh,
[05:09] <Jucato> you need Qt 3 hearders (libqt3-mt-dev)
[05:09] <\dEAD> i got a kicker problem
[05:09] <Jucato> Gannondorf: it's installed by default
[05:09] <Gannondorf> not for me
[05:09]  * ubunturos tried to configure ktorrent and it failed for something else
[05:09] <Jucato> or you mean a new version?
[05:09] <Jucato> Gannondorf: it's in K Menu -> Interenet -> KTorrent
[05:10] <Jucato> !info ktorrent
[05:10] <\dEAD> where the volume control should be, its all garbled. can see the network, Xchat and trashbin, clock.  just not the audio control
[05:10] <ubotu> ktorrent: BitTorrent client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.1-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 2698 kB, installed size 9932 kB
[05:10] <Jucato> and you can install it from the repositories
[05:10] <ubunturos> Jucato: he, probably is trying a to compile a new verison
[05:10] <Jucato> ubunturos: he said "not for me", perhaps it isn't installed
[05:10] <Gannondorf> yea
[05:10] <Gannondorf> it wasnt
[05:10] <Jucato> \dEAD: run K Menu -> Multimedia -> KMix
[05:10]  * ubunturos goes afk to wash his face :)
[05:11] <Jucato> Gannondorf: just install it from the repositories (using Add/Remove Programs or Adept Manager)
[05:11] <\dEAD> jucato, thanks much. works now.  any idea what causes that?
[05:11] <Jucato> dunn :)
[05:12] <Jucato> dunno :)(
[05:12] <ubunturos> I get this error while compiling the latest version " libmse_la.all_cpp.lo "
[05:12] <ubunturos> of Ktorrent
[05:19] <NickPresta> Is there a reason I'm getting a 403 Forbidden error from the gutsy/security main repo (samba related packages)?
[05:20] <crimsun> yes.
[05:20] <crimsun> see the topic of #ubuntu
[05:20] <NickPresta> crimsun, thanks
[05:21] <Jucato> !sambaupdate
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sambaupdate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <Jucato> bah
[05:21] <Jucato> !sambabug | NickPresta
[05:21] <ubotu> NickPresta: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[05:22] <NickPresta> thanks Jucato. I assume apt-get -m dist-upgrade will continue without the samba upgrades?
[05:22]  * Jucato doesn't know
[05:22] <NickPresta> well, apparently it's working so :)
[05:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> Jucato: there's got to be a better way of getting that info out to users...
[05:23] <Jucato> yeah... but the /topic is too overcrowded :)
[05:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> agreed
[05:23] <Jucato> (and does anyone *really* read the topic anyway?)
[05:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> and as someone pointed out earlier, an onjoin could be considered spam
[05:24] <NickPresta> Changing the topic doesn't help users who are already in the channel and idle :)
[05:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> nor does an onjoin
[05:24] <NickPresta> exactly
[05:24]  * Jucato nods
[05:25] <NickPresta> oh well. I guess that factoid will get some use for the next day or two
[05:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> but if you've been idling, it's been mentioned at least 20 times in the past couple hours :)
[05:25] <Jucato> so given all that, the best way is to use !sambabug :)
[05:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> i take that back, it hasn't been used much lately
[05:25]  * Daisuke_Laptop binds it to a key-combo
[05:27] <vsudilov> anyone know what my adept always crashes when I try to update or install with it?
[05:30] <vasilisa> How come the latest updates of gutsy are "forbidden"?
[05:31] <vasilisa> libsmbclient samba-common smbclient all give error 403 when i sudo aptitude install
[05:32] <NickPresta> !sambabug | vasilisa
[05:32] <ubotu> vasilisa: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[05:32] <vasilisa> ^-^ yay thanks
[05:40] <ectospasm> does anyone know why adept has decided to ignore my chosen KDE color theme... on two different machines?  I updated each over the past week or so, and now adept looks like it's using the default color theme, which doesn't match what I use at all...
[05:41] <josue> en español
[05:41] <josue> hola
[05:41] <NickPresta> !es | josue
[05:41] <ubotu> josue: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[05:41] <josue> gracias
[05:43] <Jucato> ectospasm: Adept, and any app that you run with sudo/kdesu (root) uses a different theme from normal users. it just so happens that it's configured to use the same initial theme as the default initial theme for all users. once you change a user's theme, Adept won't automatically adjust unless you change it yourself
[05:43] <ectospasm> Jucato:  it did exhibit proper behavior before, but somehow it switched...
[05:44] <matt__> hello I am trying to install kubuntu-desktop with apt-get and it keeps telling me to insert cdrom..  I am wired to the internet
[05:44] <ectospasm> So it's a kdesu thing
[05:44] <matt__> any ideas?
[05:44] <Jucato> yes. "stay around long enough for the answer." :/
[05:44] <matt__> hello I am trying to install kubuntu-desktop with apt-get and it keeps telling me to insert cdrom..  I am wired to the internet  Any ideas?
[05:44] <ectospasm> matt__:  try inserting the install CD
[05:45] <ectospasm> or are you not physically near the machine?
[05:45] <NickPresta> matt__, your sources.list most likely contains cdrom lines
[05:45] <matt__> i know that will work but why can't it select source form the internet
[05:45] <NickPresta> you may want to comment those out
[05:45] <Dr_willis> matt__,  you have the cd as a 'source' in your  sources.list
[05:45] <matt__> ok so i can take that out..
[05:45] <matt__> thaks for the advice
[05:45] <Dr_willis> disable the  cd in the package manager is aniother way
[05:46] <matt__> on another note.. has anyone  experienced a failed binariy upgrade to the new 7.10.. mine failes on libsmbclient and friends.
[05:46] <NickPresta> !sambabug | matt__
[05:46] <ubotu> matt__: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[05:46] <Dr_willis> known bug.. wait a few days :)
[05:46] <matt__> ;-)
[05:46] <NickPresta> alternately, use the -m option to ignore it
[05:46] <NickPresta> although waiting is probably best
[05:46] <matt__> ah thanks.
[05:46] <josue> mnm
[05:47] <matt__> sorry I'm new to ubuntu.. mainly solaris and oracle linux at work.. have ubuntu on laptop and  havinga hard time keeping up with all these different oss... work takes precedence.. Thanks for the tip on the cdrom.
[05:49] <ectospasm> Jucato wasn't helpful.  He identified the problem but not a solution... how do I get adept (or any kdesu program) to choose my user theme?
[05:49]  * Jucato was just pointing out that it's not really a "problem". but fine....
[05:49] <Dr_willis> you need to set the theme as the root user. use kdesu to run the kde theme selection tool.
[05:50] <Dr_willis> its not a problem. :) the root user has his own settings.
[05:50] <Jucato> people nowadays...
[05:50] <Dr_willis> I perfer my root user to have a BRIGHT RED theme. :) so i know what programs are getting ran as root.
[05:50] <NickPresta> its actually a feature and a benefit to running a multiuser system :)
[05:50] <Jucato> "kdesu systemsettings" and get done with it.
[05:50]  * Jucato is done here as well
[05:51] <Dr_willis> onec ya get used to the idea of  a actual multiuser system. and the linux fundamentals. :P
[05:51] <matt__> like windows 98 ?
[05:51] <Dr_willis> like DOS! :)
[05:51] <Nyle> hmm
[05:51] <NickPresta> lol
[05:52] <matt__> Windows 98 was pretty sweet
[05:53] <Nyle> xp is good
[05:53] <Nyle> xp pro 64
[05:53] <Nyle> never crashes man
[05:53] <NickPresta> !windows
[05:53] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[05:55] <matt__> heh
[05:56] <matt__> windows 98 + AD client is pretty sweet
[05:56] <ectospasm> Thanks guys... that worked (and gave me a good idea)
[05:56] <shaffy> could someone please tell me the command to find out which release i have? (gutsy, feisty, etc)
[05:57] <matt__> so i can just apt-get -m upgrade
[05:57] <NickPresta> matt__, sudo apt-get -m dist-upgrade
[05:57] <NickPresta> shaffy, `lsb_release -a`
[05:57] <rdvon> Hey, I'm having trouble Compiling a program from source, it's the gimp normal map plugin.. Here's the error I get http://pastebin.com/m67f8e20b
[05:57] <rdvon> In fact, I haven't gotten one program to compile correctly. it bothers me :\
[05:58] <ubuntu> can someone help me install kubuntu to my comp please
[05:58] <NickPresta> rdvon, do you have "build-essential" installed?
[05:58] <NickPresta> ubuntu, what seems to be the problem?
[05:58] <rdvon> Nickpresta, one sec. I'll try it.
[05:58] <shaffy> NickPresta: thanks bro.
[05:58] <ubuntu> its asking for some host file at the install
[05:58] <ubuntu> im new at linux
[05:58] <rdvon> Haha, I didn't thanks!
[05:59] <rdvon> So much better to get help here than at #ubuntu >.>
[05:59] <NickPresta> ubuntu, specific error messages are helpful. Screenshots too, if they will help explain your problem in greater detail. What exactly is the problem? What stage of the install does the installer ask you?
[05:59] <rdvon> I'm still getting the same error it seems.
[05:59] <ubuntu> can i PM u?
[05:59] <NickPresta> ubuntu, sure
[06:00] <rdvon> Yeah.. nick, that Didn't work, same error. :(
[06:01] <NickPresta> rdvon, gimme one sec
[06:01] <ubuntu> sorry nick but it said it blocked from private messages
[06:01] <rdvon> oK.
[06:01] <rdvon> thanks.
[06:01] <excitatory> where would i find the md5sum of the kubuntu desktop cd iso?
[06:01] <NickPresta> ubuntu, you need to have a registered nickname, I believe
[06:01] <ubuntu> ok
[06:01] <NickPresta> ubuntu, you can type up your question and such in a pastebin and post it here. We will read it
[06:01] <NickPresta> !pastebin | ubuntu
[06:01] <ubotu> ubuntu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:02] <matt__> NickPresta will that perform version upgrade?  The manual leads me to believe it is just an upgrade of the current packages
[06:02] <rdvon> What problem is he having? the kubuntu install is pretty straight forward..
[06:02] <NickPresta> matt__, oh, you are upgrading to gutsy? I would wait a couple days then.
[06:03] <matt__> k
[06:03] <matt__> tip of the spear u know
[06:03] <matt__> chases -rHEAD
[06:03] <ubuntu> at install , its at a partition stage, its says " no root system is defined'....'please correct this from the partitioning menu
[06:04] <rdvon> Are you trying a dual boot?
[06:04] <ubuntu> yea
[06:04] <rdvon> Oh.
[06:04] <rdvon> Well, you might need to resize your windows (ntfs) partition.. is that the problem?
[06:04] <rdvon> to give space for kubuntu.
[06:05] <ubuntu> im doing it to an external drive.....
[06:05] <matt__> or delete it :-/
[06:05] <matt__> ah
[06:05] <rdvon> it should ask you which hard drive to install too.
[06:05] <ubuntu> yea it did
[06:05] <ubuntu> i selected the drive
[06:05] <rdvon> Oh.
[06:06] <rdvon> Nothing on it?
[06:06] <ubuntu> and i select te type and mounting and all of that
[06:06] <ubuntu> and then i get that error
[06:06] <ubuntu> no
[06:06] <rdvon> Hmm..
[06:06] <rdvon> Ask nick ;)
[06:06] <ubuntu> yea
[06:06] <ubuntu> nick??
[06:06] <rdvon> Nickpresta
[06:07] <rdvon> Where'd he go anyways...
[06:07] <rdvon> I'm still having problems compiling ;(
[06:07] <ubuntu> beats me...
[06:07] <rdvon> Well.
[06:07] <rdvon> What was the host file?
[06:07] <rdvon> Name?
[06:07] <ubuntu> me?
[06:07] <rdvon> Yeah.. whatever that error was..
[06:07] <rdvon> :P
[06:08] <ubuntu> it says " no root file system defined"
[06:08] <ubuntu> i dont know what it wants
[06:08] <rdvon> One sec.
[06:08] <ubuntu> ok
[06:08] <ectospasm> ubuntu:  did you set a  / mount point?
[06:08] <ubuntu> yea
[06:08] <NickPresta> rdvon, according to INSTALL, you need to have the -dev packages for glib2, gtk+ and gimp. Do you have those? (libglib2.0-dev, libgtk1.2-dev,libgimp2.0-dev)
[06:09] <ectospasm> ubuntu:  did you set a filesystem type?
[06:09] <NickPresta> ubuntu, you should have created a root partition (of what ever size). You should have formatted it as ext3 or the filesystem of your choice. You should then, on the next screen, set that partition (sda4, for example) to /
[06:09] <ubuntu> yea
[06:10] <rdvon> I was just about to say that ;)
[06:10] <ubuntu> it didnt go to a next screen
[06:10] <ubuntu> i got the error
[06:10] <rdvon> The mount it to / part..
[06:10] <ubuntu> yea
[06:10] <matt__> Have a great night.
[06:10] <ectospasm> ubuntu:  are you marking it bootable?
[06:10] <Dr_willis> if he had fdisked  the disk and changed the partitions about. Ive had to 'reboot' some machines. other wise the kernel sees the older partiotion layout.
[06:10] <ubuntu> where?
[06:11] <rdvon> If this is relevant at all... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=416154
[06:11] <rdvon> Seems to do the trick for most people.
[06:11] <ectospasm> Dr_willis:  I've seen that too, come to think of it
[06:12] <rdvon> Now... My compiling woes :(
[06:12] <inversekinetix> anyone know alien arena well?
[06:12] <rdvon> inversekinetix: it's *ok* try urban terror though.
[06:12] <rdvon> or sauerbraten :)
[06:13] <inversekinetix> rdvon how do you update the game?
[06:13] <NickPresta> rdvon, according to INSTALL, you need to have the -dev packages for glib2, gtk+ and gimp. Do you have those? (libglib2.0-dev, libgtk1.2-dev,libgimp2.0-dev)
[06:13] <ubuntu> im still lost here
[06:13] <Dr_willis> Tremulus is fun.. but makes me puke. :)
[06:14] <ectospasm> ubuntu:  did you take Dr_willis' advice and reboot the system after the repartitioning?
[06:14] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  its possible you need to reboot.. and restart the installer and tell it where to put /
[06:14] <rdvon> Say *NO* to tremulous :P
[06:14] <ubuntu> its already partitioned
[06:14] <Dr_willis> I normally just leave a large part of the hd Unallocated.
[06:14] <ubuntu> i just select the partition
[06:14] <inversekinetix> no?
[06:14] <rdvon> urT ftw!
[06:14] <rdvon> NickPresta: I think that should make it work..
[06:14] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  IF youjust changed the partitionlayouts. the kernel MAY be confused. reboot to be doubly sure its ok withthe disk layout.
[06:15] <ubuntu> i have been rebooting a couple of times...
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Of course it may be you are just not setting the partitions/mount point propery then.
[06:15] <jetsaredim> some failed updates seem to be blocking any further invocation of any installation commands - how do I clear this?
[06:15] <ubuntu> i looked at snapshots online...and it look right
[06:15] <ubuntu> i dunno :(
[06:15] <Dr_willis> jetsaredim,  wait a day or 2 and try again.
[06:15] <Jucato> what failed updates?
[06:15] <Jucato> !sambabug
[06:16] <ubotu> A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[06:16] <rdvon> nickpresta: same error :(
[06:16] <jetsaredim> Jucato: adept crashed during an update
[06:16] <Jucato> !adeptcrashfix
[06:16] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[06:18] <Art_> Unable to get CUPS working on Kubuntu 7.10.  Any ideas?
[06:18] <inversekinetix> use windows
[06:19] <Dr_willis> or be a little more clear as to whats not working.
[06:19] <Art_> Dr_willis, It doesn't seem to find the printer.
[06:19] <Dr_willis> Art_,  and whats the printer?
[06:20] <sebr> how can i get dolphin to stop generating thumbnail previews of documents like pdfs
[06:20] <Art_> Dr_willis, Epson Stylus Color 600.
[06:20] <Dr_willis> check the cups.org site to see how well its supported for a start. I guess.
[06:20] <Art_> Dr_willis, Works fine in 7.04.
[06:20] <Dr_willis> could check the forums also - see if others have issues.
[06:20] <rdvon> Compiling woes still :(
[06:21] <Art_> Dr_willis, It seems to find the correct driver.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> i converted my printer to a networked printer. So i rarely have issues now a days.
[06:21] <Art_> This is a local printer.
[06:22] <polo2> I can see the follow problem when I try to install the last 3 actualisations:
[06:22] <polo2> http://pastebin.ca/777513
[06:23] <polo2> And I have swiched de mirror and is de same
[06:23] <polo2> and my english is more or less very basic
[06:24] <Jucato> !sambabug
[06:24] <ubotu> A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[06:24] <Dr_willis> Thers a bug going on at this time polo2  with that packages.. wait a day or 2 for the fixes to get made.
[06:25] <rdvon> NickPresta: help? :(
[06:26] <crazypoultry> i'm getting ready to do a new install on a laptop i just got,  iwould like to have to partitions setup so that i wont lose data if i have to reinstall kubuntu(it's gonna be for my wife something is bound to get screwed up) i'm looking at 53406MB of free space(it's dual booted) any sggestions on how i should set these up
[06:28] <Dr_willis> ive heard around 10gb or so for / and  as much for /home as you can spare.
[06:29] <Dr_willis> + some for a swap partition.
[06:29] <polo2> sorry I'm trying to understad english. You say, the 403 forbidden will be fix. And easily I would wait, and nothing more because other people will be fix the bug?
[06:30] <Dr_willis> polo2,  the package has a security problem. Wait a day or 2 and it will get fixed.
[06:30] <Nyle> hm
[06:30] <Nyle> security is important
[06:30] <crazypoultry> that was what i was thinking 10gig for / a gig for swap and the rest /home(which is all personal data right?, sorry still new to linux)
[06:30] <Dr_willis> crazypoultry,  thats about right.
[06:30] <Nyle> crazypoultry: that sounds great
[06:30] <Dr_willis> Unless you know you need more for /
[06:30] <Dr_willis> of course ya could always do some tweaking later.
[06:30] <Nyle> 10gb ought to be good enough
[06:31] <polo2> 0k. Only I will wait and all will be 0k.
[06:31] <Dr_willis> I keep a lot of vmware images - so my / is a bit bigger then that..
[06:31] <polo2> Thanks
[06:32] <crazypoultry> thanks for the help, guess i'll try it and worse case i gotta burn off the stuff i need to save and redo it :)
[06:45] <rdvon> Compiling errors. :(
[06:53] <TheWozA> !aptfix
[06:53] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[06:57] <sfears> is the program that resizes the partition on the live cd installed in kubuntu?
[06:58] <TheWozA> hey guys i got updates that wont install it collects headers and everything when it comes to installing it says "there was an error commiting changes, possibly there was a problem downloading packages or the commit would break packages"
[06:59] <TheWozA> anyone else having this prob?
[07:00] <Tm_T> TheWozA: known, wait a day or two
[07:00] <TheWozA> gah
[07:00] <TheWozA> brb change video driver
[07:01] <soberon> Hi... Please Somebody knows about the zd1211-firmware?
[07:20] <TheWozA> hmmm whats going on i installed restricted package and still i have no flash player in konquer and i scanned for the plugin
[07:21] <Jucato> TheWozA: double check that you have flashplugin-nonfree installed
[07:21] <TheWozA> it usually comes with the restricted package does it not>
[07:21] <TheWozA> ?
[07:22] <Jucato> it should. but then again, it should have worked already. there might have been something wrong.
[07:22] <Jucato> hence double check :)
[07:23] <TheWozA> im installing it manual
[07:23] <Jucato> so it wasn't installed?
[07:24] <TheWozA> no but apt was is giving me trouble since them updates wont download
[07:25] <Jucato> samba updated bug maybe
[07:27] <TheWozA> heh least manual install works
[07:27] <Jucato> :)
[07:37] <disw> Hi room
[07:38] <TheWozA> hallo disw
[07:38] <disw> Anyone awake ?
[07:38] <disw> hi
[07:38] <disw> hello
[07:38] <emilsedgh> !hi | disw
[07:38] <ubotu> disw: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:38] <disw> hi good to see some people still on computers
[07:39] <disw> i want to just mention
[07:40] <disw> that i found a virus on Abiword word processor software
[07:40] <disw> in one of the example files
[07:40] <surgy> hi
[07:40] <disw> scanned it using Norton AV using windows
[07:41] <disw> can anyone check to see if it's still there?
[07:41] <surgy> when i try to upgrade my packages using "sudo apt-get upgrade" i get several errors like this "
[07:41] <surgy> Err http://security.ubuntu.com gutsy-security/main smbclient 3.0.26a-1ubuntu2.1
[07:41] <surgy>   403 Forbidden
[07:41] <surgy> seams as though i cant upgrade samba?
[07:41] <Jucato> !sambabug | surgy
[07:41] <ubotu> surgy: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[07:42] <surgy> Jucato: thank you, so i just need to wait a few days and it should update just fine?
[07:42] <Jucato> yeah
[07:42] <surgy> kewl
[07:42] <kras> Hi
[07:43] <kras> I have a webcam but don't work?
[07:43] <kras> help
[07:43] <mwilliam> Hi, good morning
[07:43]  * mwilliam Nikio
[07:44] <kras> My webcam is IBM PC cam 168
[07:44] <kras> Is enyone can help
[07:44] <disw> hi ubotu
[07:46] <disw> Can anyone verify if abiword software has a virus?
[07:48] <disw> maybe it's just a false alarm, i think
[07:50] <disw> i have to believe 7.10 software is completely free from virus, nomatter which server it's from
[07:50] <mwilliam> hi kras. If commandline ''lspci'' shows 0x0c45:0x613c then you're lucky. yo can see your webcam on http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html
[07:56] <disw> did anyone have similar problems with i had with abiword?
[07:59] <Jucato> disw: considering that this is #kubuntu, where most people would presumably either be using KOffice (KWord) or OpenOffice, I think the chances of finding a fellow abiword user here is very slim
[07:59] <Jucato> disw: I recommend asking in #ubuntu or #gnome
[08:00] <disw> yeah i guess you're right
[08:01] <Ahmuck> in konq, you can sftp?
[08:01] <Jucato> Ahmuck: yes
[08:02] <Jucato> sftp://
[08:02] <luca_b> 7joi
[08:04] <Ahmuck> i forget, there is some other commapnd for ssh?
[08:04] <rdvon> How do i add programs to my pkg_config?
[08:05] <rdvon> It says this: Package gtkglext-1.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[08:05] <rdvon> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `gtkglext-1.0.pc'
[08:05] <rdvon> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable
[08:05] <rdvon> what does it mean?
[08:29] <combinio> if i have an archive RAR and in windows i packed it with password how can unpack it using that pass? cuz there is only option to extract
[08:29] <combinio> i know pass but don't know where to type it ? ;]
[08:30] <vzduch> w/ what program are you trying to unpack it?
[08:30] <Jucato> combinio: try doing it from Konsole instead of in Ark. in konsole, type: unrar -x filename.rar
[08:30] <combinio> and where pass? :)
[08:30] <Jucato> er...
[08:31] <Jucato> unrar x filename.rar
[08:31] <vzduch> Jucato: I guess, if using unrar, the x option is rather superfluous..
[08:31] <combinio> vzduch: ark :)
[08:31] <Jucato> it would prompt you for the password I tihink
[08:31] <combinio> Jucato: oka, lets's see
[08:31] <vzduch> on the cmdline it does.. at least w/ the non-free rar
[08:31] <Jucato> vzduch: no. x is not an option/flag, but a command.
[08:32] <Jucato> (could also be unrar e I think
[08:32] <combinio> WOOOOOOOOKS :d:d
[08:32] <combinio> thx Jucato ;))
[08:32] <combinio> got that :P
[08:32] <Jucato> sure
[08:43] <pacman> is anyone familar with mplayer?
[08:48] <jjones> Problem with security repository.. anyone know of a contact?  http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/ files with "last modified" date of 16-Nov-2007 permissions are set wrong. Feisty can't upgrade Samba
[08:48] <tecumseh> Gutsy can't either
[08:57] <jjones> tecumseh .. I was just told on another irc channel that it's intentional as per this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/163116
[08:57] <Jucato> !sambabug | jjones
[08:57] <ubotu> jjones: A defect has been identified in a recent security update and as a result the associated packages have been taken offline. Please disregard any 403 errors you may receive when trying to apply updates. They will disappear once this problem is resolved.
[08:58] <jjones> yeah.. it's a pain, I was hoping to start an upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy overnight. Maybe tommorrow night.
[09:21] <waylandbill> I installed a brand knew fresh copy of gutsy. When I enabled the universe, restricted and multiverse repositories, adept offered a version upgrade. How does that differ from fetching updates and applying upgrades?
[09:28] <vzduch> 'brand knew'..  o0
[09:36] <waylandbill> vzduch: yeah. brand knew is a pre-coffee kind of statement. lol
[09:36] <vzduch> what did the brand know? *gg*
[09:44] <sindberg> hi everybody, when i try to install something or apply update i get There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[09:44] <sindberg> what gives?
[09:45] <sindberg> its a fresh install
[09:45] <SSJ_GZ> sindberg: This? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/163116
[09:47] <WaltzingAlong> sindberg: with qt3? run it from konsole, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -f install
[09:51] <sindberg> WaltzingAlong: did it, but what did i do?
[09:53] <ubuntu> lost in space
[09:53] <vzduch> ?
[09:53] <ubuntu> i'm having install problems for the umpteenth time
[09:54] <waylandbill> sindberg: you told it to make sure that it had the newest package lists and then you told it to install while attempting to fix broken dependencies.
[09:54] <WaltzingAlong> sindberg: first one just ran the update to update the available packages. the second asked to fix (-f) the ... ^^
[09:54] <WaltzingAlong> as far as i know the first part is possible through adept but not the second
[09:54] <sindberg> WaltzingAlong: waylandbill okay thx alot
[09:55] <waylandbill> sindberg: specifically the aptitude man page says that -f does this: Try hard to fix the dependencies of broken packages, even if it means ignoring the actions requested on the command line.
[09:55] <ubuntu> i think i'm having some hardware compatibility problems
[09:56] <vzduch> you could cross-check that w/ another distro
[09:56] <ubuntu> well msoft :( sort of works ok
[09:57] <vzduch> or try the alternate install CD, which offers more options for the install process
[09:57] <ubuntu> i think my router maybe doesn't help
[09:57] <vzduch> ubuntu: I was thinking about plain Debian, or Fedora..
[09:57] <vzduch> not M$ *urgh*
[09:57] <ubuntu> can't find a workaround
[09:57] <vzduch> what's the exact problem?
[09:58] <ubuntu> i'm well over my download limit already - don't really need another big download
[09:58] <waylandbill> ubuntu: could be a bios incompatibility. I had an HP that ubuntu didn't work, but debian did.
[09:58] <ubuntu> i sorta had my system working on feisty
[09:59] <vzduch> download limit.. omfg, why do people still use volume rates?
[09:59] <ubuntu> gutsy has netwrk access problems i think but i suspect thats because of my router
[10:00] <ubuntu> cost vzduch
[10:00] <ubuntu> haven't got bottomless pockets
[10:00] <dark> Hi eveeryon
[10:00] <dark> everyone*
[10:00] <ubuntu> ello dark
[10:00] <dark> Hello
[10:01] <ubuntu> please don't ask me i'm a nerd
[10:01] <dark> can someone help me?
[10:01] <ubuntu> problems of my own
[10:01] <ubuntu> but good luck
[10:01] <vzduch> in most cases you should be able to get a (slow) flatrate including phoneline from EUR 30 upwards
[10:01] <ubuntu> i can download 5gb a month
[10:02] <ubuntu> i've topped that already
[10:02] <vzduch> way too little for a Linux user
[10:02] <ubuntu> its not speed its volume
[10:02] <vzduch> that's why I said it
[10:02] <ubuntu> i can't afford more vzduch
[10:02] <vzduch> the cheap flatrates are 2 Mbit ore something
[10:03] <ubuntu> not in uk
[10:03] <vzduch> I have a 6 Mbit flatrate for EUR 40 a month plus phone charges
[10:03] <ubuntu> thats probably what i call expensive
[10:03] <vzduch> my sister and her husband have 25 Mbit cable access flatrate for like EUR 70 a month
[10:04] <vzduch> EUR 40 = (roughly) GBP 25
[10:04] <ubuntu> its 56k for 10 pounds in te uk
[10:05] <ubuntu> broadband starts around 18 ponds
[10:05] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[10:05] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:05] <ubuntu> tho i have a contract deal at 14 pounda
[10:06] <vzduch> I think you're saving on the wrong end, then..
[10:06] <ubuntu> lol - on topic how do i sort out my gutsy install
[10:06] <vzduch> GBP 25-30 should be in for a decent Internet uplink
[10:06] <ubuntu> install fedora cinstead?
[10:06] <ubuntu> man...
[10:07] <ubuntu> dlink router may be giving me problems but theres one or two ther issues
[10:07] <ubuntu> i'm looking for a possible workaround
[10:08] <ubuntu> vduch theres no 6 pound internet in the uk
[10:09] <rysiek|pl> hi all
[10:09] <ubuntu> at the moment my gutsy install cannot access security updates
[10:10] <rysiek|pl> guys, is there a way to set an external program (i.e. Stellarium) a a screensaver?
[10:10] <vzduch> there are some cheapo flatrates in Germany for EUR <10.. but all of these require you to have a phone line w/ Deutsche Telekom for at least EUR 17...
[10:10] <WaltzingAlong> kwebdesktop
[10:10]  * Tm_T slaps MetaMorfoziS 
[10:10] <mauri> hi. sameone knows samething like incd for windows
[10:10] <ubuntu> s i shpuld give up on gutsy for now?
[10:10]  * MetaMorfoziS slaps Tm_T
[10:10] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu: want help installing gutsy?
[10:10] <Tm_T> MetaMorfoziS: I see awaynick, httt
[10:10] <Tm_T> hrrrr even
[10:11] <ubuntu> plz waltzing
[10:11] <rysiek|pl> mauri: sudo mount -o loop /path/to/image.iso
[10:11] <NiceGuyUK> Ok, this is gonna sound like an unrelated question, but bear with me...I'm on a Vista box with a Kubuntu Gutsy ISO image and I have no idea how to burn the image.  Windows doesn't give this option like our favourite OS.  anyone know of a free (as in beer at this point) tool to do this?
[10:11] <rysiek|pl> mauri: oops, sorry
[10:11] <ubuntu> waltzing i think i have a few issues - one is my router possibly
[10:11] <rysiek|pl> mauri: nope, that's not it.
[10:12] <WaltzingAlong> NiceGuyUK: cdrtools front end
[10:12] <jpatrick> !burn
[10:12] <ubotu> CD/DVD Burning software: K3b (KDE), gnomebaker, serpentine, graveman, Nautilus cd burner (Gnome), gtoaster, xcdroast, cdrecord (terminal-based). Burning .iso files: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[10:12] <WaltzingAlong> NiceGuyUK: infrarecorder
[10:12] <waylandbill> I think mauri wants packet writing capability for cd-rw's, not burning in general.
[10:12] <vzduch> jpatrick: no help for someone on Vista, I guess..
[10:12] <NiceGuyUK> WaltzingAlong: will google that one, cheers
[10:12] <ubuntu> waltzing i did have fiesty installed reasonably successfully
[10:13] <jpatrick> vzduch: is in the help page
[10:13] <vzduch> NiceGuyUK: you could try whether CDBurnerXP will run on Vista
[10:13]  * NiceGuyUK only on pre-installed Vista, removing it shortly ;-)
[10:13] <NiceGuyUK> thanks for the tips guys
[10:13] <rysiek|pl> NiceGuyUK: I don't know the whole problem descr, but maybe simply boot-up a live-cd and... k3b? :)
[10:13] <mauri> waylandbill: yes, i would like to use a cd as a removable storage (cut and paste  using dolphin for example
[10:13] <ubuntu> waltzing i have done forum searches and attempted to solve this problem already
[10:14] <WaltzingAlong> rysiek|pl: issue is burning the first iso to have the livecd
[10:14] <NiceGuyUK> rysiek|pl: its burning that live cd int he first place I'm struggling with ')
[10:14] <rysiek|pl> oh
[10:14] <NiceGuyUK> WaltzingAlong: infra recorder looks like just the thing, thanks for the heads up
[10:14] <vzduch> NiceGuyUK: look at that howto, it seems to be exactly what you need
[10:14] <rysiek|pl> I *knew* I would make a dumbass out of myself ;)
[10:14] <jpatrick> vzduch: ;)
[10:14] <waylandbill> mauri: source forge has a project called "packet-cd". I have never used it, but it looks like a good place to start your search.
[10:15] <NiceGuyUK> https://help.ubuntu.
[10:15] <vzduch> jpatrick: I didn't know that it also hints at burning in Vista.. and I never used Vista & probably never will :)
[10:15] <WaltzingAlong> rysiek|pl: the fear of failure is the real disgrace :D
[10:15] <rysiek|pl> mauri: *allways* ask Wikipedia... http://www.g-loaded.eu/2005/11/10/packet-writing-on-cdrw-and-dvdrw-media/ :)
[10:15] <jpatrick> vzduch: yep, same as me
[10:15] <ubuntu> waltzing  can you get my pm?
[10:15] <rysiek|pl> WaltzingAlong: well said
[10:15] <jpatrick> ubuntu: unregistered users cannot pm
[10:15] <ubuntu> i'm a noob please explain
[10:16] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu, WaltzingAlong: you could always use a new channel - like #ubuwaltz ;) almost like a PM
[10:16] <ubuntu> i have received a pm - i can not answer?
[10:16] <jpatrick> ubuntu: nop
[10:16] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: you have not registered with Freenode
[10:16] <vzduch> ubuntu: change your nick to something decent and register
[10:17] <ubuntu> man this is mid install - how?
[10:17] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: it really would be easier to just go to #ubuwaltz with WaltzingAlong ;)
[10:18] <ubuntu> how pleasw rysiekjpl
[10:18] <rysiek|pl> what a nice guy, that guy from uk...
[10:18] <jpatrick> rysiek|pl: hey! I'm from the UK :(
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu:  waiting in ^^ #ubuwaltz
[10:18] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: /join #ubuwaltz
[10:18] <ubuntu> lol
[10:18] <ubuntu> rys from this window?
[10:18] <rysiek|pl> ubuntu: just type the above in the chat input
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu:  yes either click the #ubuwaltz or type /join #ubuwaltz
[10:19] <ubuntu> rys ok ty
[10:19] <waylandbill> !register
[10:19] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[10:22] <Yoshi> ∕j "tt
[10:24] <WaltzingAlong> omg is not acceptable but wanna is? :D
[10:24] <rysiek|pl> lol! I wanna use omg!!
[10:24]  * rysiek|pl ducks
[10:24]  * rysiek|pl notices nothing happens
[10:24]  * rysiek|pl brb
[10:25] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[10:29] <mauri> kubuntu does not recognize my webcam, someone are able to help me
[10:30] <Tm_T> !webcam | mauri
[10:30] <ubotu> mauri: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[10:31] <mauri> Tm_T: sorry i dont understand
[10:31] <Tm_T> mauri: look those links
[10:37] <mauri> Tm_T: sorry where are stored the file for repositories
[10:38] <Tm_T> mauri: you mean sources.list ?
[10:38] <mauri> Tm_T: yes
[10:39] <Tm_T>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:40] <mauri> Tm_T: oh thanks......i've have some memory problems :-)
[10:40] <newguyss> Hi, I use kubuntu, I need to create a site similar to google maps, but with maps I have, any idea where to start, or is there any applications in ubuntu I should look at, I know its not ubuntu question, but iam sure that there is something I can use
[10:41] <noam_> hello there, can kopete send SMS messages over ICQ?
[10:42] <Tm_T> noam_: sms over ICQ? that sounds, erm, weird
[10:43] <cpk1> !sound
[10:43] <jussi01> !compiz
[10:43] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:43] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[10:44] <newguyss> noam_: you cannot send sms's over icq, it was working some 4 years ago, but I dont think its working any more
[10:59] <korex> русские есть?
[10:59] <Tm_T> !ru | korex
[10:59] <ubotu> korex: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[11:07] <bobishh> hi there
[11:07] <bobishh> everyone
[11:10] <bobishh> wtf?
[11:10] <bobishh> i can't see anything
[11:10] <pag> bobishh, what do you mean by not seeing anything?
[11:11] <bobishh> well now I can see =) i though i have a connection problems or smth
[11:12] <bobishh> and excuse me for my english
[11:12] <bobishh> =)
[11:12] <bobishh> i'm from rusiia
[11:12] <bobishh> russia
[11:12] <bobishh> =)
[11:13] <pag> bobishh, there's #ubuntu-ru for Russian discussion ;)
[11:13] <bobishh> X) thnx
[11:14] <flaccid> linux rules heh
[11:14] <vzduch> plus, being from a non-English-speaking country is _not_ an excuse for not speaking proper English :D
[11:15] <WaltzingAlong> plus being from an english peaking nation is _not_ an excuse for not using proper english
[11:15] <vzduch> WaltzingAlong: indeed
[11:15] <flaccid> !indeed
[11:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about indeed - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:15] <vzduch> o0
[11:19]  * Tm_T announces: Today is KDE4-Krushdays, anyone interested to help to fix bugs in KDE4 etc etc, feel free to join #kde4-krush
[11:20] <sammy-afk> Tm_T: kubuntu only has packages for kde4 beta 3, unless that's changed in the last few hours. will it be a problem that, unless everything is compiled from scratch, that kubuntu testers will be a version behind?
[11:20] <Tm_T> !away > sammy
[11:20] <Tm_T> sammy: I know
[11:21] <Tm_T> sammy: unfortunate, but perhaps we can still help a bit
[11:26] <shampoo> hi guys
[11:26] <shampoo> got a little problem
[11:26] <shampoo> i want to burn a audio cd with k3b
[11:26] <shampoo> frim existing mp3s..
[11:27] <jpatrick> install libk3b2-mp3 or something like that
[11:27] <shampoo> thx
[11:29] <shampoo> perfekt works, thx again jpatrick
[11:30] <jpatrick> shampoo: es ist nichts
[11:31] <shampoo> öööh
[11:31] <shampoo> is das n deutscher kanal?
[11:32] <shampoo> no its not :D
[11:32] <jpatrick> !de
[11:32] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[11:32] <jpatrick> shampoo: aber ich kann deutsch ;)
[11:35] <shampoo> your name doesnt sound german
[11:37] <jpatrick> shampoo: nop, I'm from London
[11:37] <TheWozA> how can i check if my direct render is on?
[11:37] <shampoo> im sorry @ jpatrick G*
[11:37] <jpatrick> it's nothing :)
[11:37] <shampoo> so there are some english guys which can speak german
[11:38] <shampoo> i have to tell this to by english stepfather.. he wont believe that :D
[11:38] <shampoo> s/by/my
[11:38] <shampoo> glxinfo  @ TheWozA
[11:39] <shampoo> type glxinfo in the console
[11:39] <TheWozA> thx
[11:40] <shampoo> np
[11:40] <jpatrick> !packaging > Ganon
[11:41] <shampoo> the bad guy from legend of zelda?
[11:42] <WaltzingAlong> TheWozA: glxinfo | grep -i direct
[11:53] <Aoyagi_Ritsuka> right
[11:53] <Aoyagi_Ritsuka> twylight
[11:53] <Aoyagi_Ritsuka> is now known as Aoyagi_Ritsuka
[11:53] <Aoyagi_Ritsuka> because I'm just that awesome
[11:53] <Aoyagi_Ritsuka> that is all
[11:58] <titanix88> hi
[11:58] <gan|y|med> good morning
[11:58] <titanix88> hi ppl :)
[12:00] <ubunturos> !hi | titanix88
[12:00] <ubotu> titanix88: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:00] <yulac> hola
[12:00] <titanix88> :S
[12:00] <titanix88> :s
[12:00] <yulac> alguien sabe como configurar matlab para q salga el simbolo ^ ?
[12:01] <ubunturos> !gnuoctave
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnuoctave - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:28] <ubuntu> hi can someone help me with something, im kinda a noob
[12:29] <pag> !ask | ubuntu
[12:29] <ubotu> ubuntu: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:29] <shomik> go ahead
[12:29] <vit_> mmm?
[12:29] <shomik> really
[12:29] <Chickentikka> ok, im trying to mount my HD, but its not working
[12:29] <vit_> alguien me puede ayudar?
[12:30] <shomik> say more
[12:30] <vit_> esto no es compatible con messenger?
[12:30] <pag> !es | vit_
[12:30] <ubotu> vit_: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[12:30] <shomik> what message do yuo get. i presume u are using kubumtu
[12:31] <Chickentikka> kubuntu yes,
[12:31] <shomik> ok which version
[12:31] <Chickentikka> :S how do i check?
[12:32] <shomik> do u have internet
[12:32] <Chickentikka> yup
[12:32] <shomik> of course u do
[12:32] <Chickentikka> otherwise i guess i wont be talking to you
[12:32] <shomik> right right
[12:32] <Chickentikka> lol ok
[12:32] <vit_> jaja
[12:32] <shomik> google it then
[12:32] <pag> Chickentikka, open Konsole, and type lsb_release -a
[12:32] <shomik> because if it is a recent release then you dont need to mount it
[12:32] <vit_> please somebody help me!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:33] <vit_> help, help!!!!
[12:33] <pag> vit_, with what... you haven't asked your question (in English at least)
[12:33] <Chickentikka>  
[12:33] <Chickentikka> Distributor ID: Ubuntu
[12:33] <Chickentikka> Description:    Ubuntu 7.04
[12:33] <Chickentikka> Release:        7.04
[12:33] <Chickentikka> Codename:       feisty
[12:33] <shomik> if you have a different hard disk scsi or ortherwise it will be found in /media
[12:34] <shomik> fine check your explorer go to /media
[12:34] <vit_> ok, Im new I want to unload the messenger
[12:34] <Chickentikka> only the DVD
[12:34] <shomik> which messenger
[12:34] <vit_> but I cant
[12:34] <shomik> hmm thats strange
[12:34] <Chickentikka> no HD's
[12:35] <shomik> what hard disk is it external
[12:35] <Chickentikka> no
[12:35] <shomik> it is a secondary hard disk?
[12:36] <Chickentikka> i have two HDs with windows installed on each
[12:36] <vit_> HOTMAIL
[12:36] <vit_> live messenger
[12:36] <shomik> so let me get this you have two hard disks
[12:36] <shomik> one has windows and linux
[12:36] <patricio> anyone else experiencing problems with knetworkmanager lately? I can only manually configure the interfaces. it doesn't "see"(hotplug?) when I stick in the ethernet cable and it doesn't list the available wireless-networks nearby. Thank you for your help.
[12:37] <pag> vit_, windows applications don't generally work in Kubuntu... Kopete supports MSNM just fine, so why not use it?
[12:37] <shomik> and the other has just windows
[12:37] <vit_> I dont know
[12:37] <Chickentikka> no
[12:38] <patricio> I am using gutsy gibbon
[12:38] <Chickentikka> two HD's
[12:38] <Chickentikka> both windiws
[12:38] <Chickentikka> and using live CD for kubuntu
[12:38] <shomik> where is your linus installed
[12:38] <Chickentikka> Live CD
[12:38] <shomik> sorry u have to install it
[12:38] <Chickentikka> y?
[12:39] <vit_> How can I know that?
[12:39] <shomik> live cd wont give you the option
[12:39] <Chickentikka> whats that option, the mount/unmount thing?
[12:39] <shomik> sorry wont work with live cd
[12:39] <shomik> there is no support
[12:40] <vit_> ohh
[12:40] <Chickentikka> ok
[12:40] <Chickentikka> ill come back when i install it
[12:40] <shomik> ok
[12:44] <Greenery> is there any app that works like Japanese IME in windows? I want to be able to type in Japanese
[12:44] <patricio> Hi there. Anyone else experiencing problems with knetworkmanager lately? I can only manually configure the interfaces. it doesn't "see"(hotplug?) when I stick in the ethernet cable and it doesn't list the available wireless-networks nearby. Thank you for your help. Or else: In which channel would this question be posted better?
[12:46] <gorlak> got a question, about kcron jobs, i am trying to setup a kcron job through the gui, and i think im setting it up right, the trial command i was trying to get kcron to run was /usr/bin/touch sample , but it doesnt seem to be executing. is that the wrong command to place into kcron or would i need something diffrent?
[12:48] <waylandbill> gorlak: you should be able to use touch in there.
[12:49] <arash_> Greenery - Is Skim what you are looking for?
[12:49] <TheWozA> hey guys whats the command to unmount a cdrom and how do i do it as root?
[12:49] <Greenery> i did try Skim but seems like its not working
[12:50] <Greenery> any detail documentation for skim?
[12:50] <gorlak> well i set the cron job and it doesnt create the test file, is there a place i can look for error msges? that would give me a clue on why its not running
[12:50] <gorlak> it appears to be running (appears) the other cron jobs that the system made just fine
[12:51] <waylandbill> gorlak: maybe try the test file with an absolute path to a directory you can write to?
[12:51] <flaccid> system or root cron?
[12:51] <flaccid> i mean root or user
[12:52] <gorlak> tried that too, used this /usr/bin/touch /home/gorlak/sample     that should work in kcron correct?
[12:52] <waylandbill> gorlak: yeah. That should work
[12:52] <flaccid> i dont see why not
[12:53] <gorlak> user cron
[12:54] <gorlak> cron messages can be found in the syslog right?
[12:55] <flaccid> in /var/log/syslog
[12:55] <flaccid> yeah
[12:55] <waylandbill> should say that it attempted to run it
[12:56] <flaccid> output is up to to the cron entry/script to redirect/log the output of stderr/stdout
[12:56] <waylandbill> I imagine stdout/stderr could be sent to an email if cron can use sendmail
[12:56] <gorlak> i dont see anything in the syslog that outright says error,
[12:56] <bob__> waltzingalong you around?
[12:57] <gorlak> if it attempted to run the command, should it give the command? like i should see a line in the file somewhere that says /usr/bin/touch...etc
[12:57] <gorlak> ?
[13:00] <TheWozA> hey guys how do i sort this and unmount my cd so i can eject it
[13:00] <TheWozA> only rout can unmount /dev/hdc from media/cdrom0
[13:00] <flaccid> use something like: /usr/bin/touch /home/gorlak/sample &> /home/gorlak/sample.log
[13:01] <gorlak> ill put that in and try it, curious what does the &>/home/gorlak/sample.log do? make an output logfile or something for this cron job?
[13:01] <flaccid> yep
[13:01] <flaccid> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-3.html
[13:02] <flaccid> !bash
[13:02] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[13:02] <waylandbill> it's a bash thing to redirect output to a file.
[13:02] <flaccid> make sure the cron entry is using bash for shell
[13:04] <patricio> Hi there. Anyone else experiencing problems with knetworkmanager lately? I can only manually configure the interfaces. it doesn't "see"(dbus/hal?) when I stick in the ethernet cable and it doesn't list the available wireless-networks nearby, I can only "configure manually", I am using the latest gutsy gibbon. Thank you for your help. I would also like to give debug-output, just tell me where to get it.
[13:05] <gorlak> hm, interesting since changing it to use the absolute dir, it seems to be creating the sample file. the only difference from before was i was changing the system time to come to that time period over and over again when it failed to make the file. i didnt think it would keep the cron job from not working.
[13:06] <gorlak> thanks
[13:14] <patricio> network-manager problem: the systray icon doesn't list my wireless accesspoints nearby anymore and does not automatically detect the ethernet cable(and uses dhcp) to connect... I can only go for manual configuration, what is wrong there?
[13:19] <shomik> does anybody know of a good mp3 player in kubuntu
[13:20] <flaccid> amarok or kaffeine
[13:20] <patricio> Ok, I found some maybe related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/137404
[13:21] <shomik> amarok doesnt support mp3
[13:21] <TheWozA> anyone help me with cd /tmp; /bin/rm -rf $tmpdir; exit $res: bad trap
[13:21] <shomik> kaffeine is too primitive
[13:22] <shomik> and what kind of a name is flaccid??
[13:22] <flaccid> there are kind of names?
[13:24] <stone[no]> shomik: Well, isn't the mp3 format closed source and subject to restriction? Does any linux player support this as default?
[13:24] <gorlak> you can add in mp3 support to amarok
[13:25] <shomik> gorlak: pls tell me how?
[13:26] <gorlak> hm, been a while, if you google amarok and mp3 support there are alot of articles, i believe it requires some additional files,
[13:26] <gorlak> it was pretty easy to get working actually so you shouldnt have a problem
[13:27] <gorlak> i use my amarok for mp3s
[13:27] <emilsedgh> install libxine-ffmpeg1 i think
[13:27] <shomik> ok t u
[13:28] <gorlak> yea its something like that, there is a bunch of pages on how to do it
[13:29] <Tm_T> !mp3 | shomik
[13:29] <ubotu> shomik: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[13:30] <shomik> k. t u. wll chk it out
[13:30] <Tm_T> shomik: can you use whole words? that is bit hard to read
[13:32] <shomik> ok. thank you. will keep it in mind
[13:35] <lvjiabin> Hi,
[13:36] <lvjiabin> Can somebody can help me?
[13:36] <Tm_T> !helpme
[13:36] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[13:36] <lvjiabin> Thank you !
[13:36] <lvjiabin> a ,why the systerm  always slow
[13:37] <dhq> i have an ipod nano 8gb how do i get it to work kubuntu
[13:37] <lvjiabin> Just i  cant  resist
[13:37] <Tm_T> !ipod | dhq
[13:37] <lvjiabin> 有中国人不阿？
[13:37] <ubotu> dhq: For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[13:39] <Tm_T> lvjiabin: sorry, what is your native language?
[13:39] <lvjiabin> Chinese
[13:40] <Tm_T> oki
[13:40] <Tm_T> !ch
[13:40] <lvjiabin> Sorry
[13:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ch - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:40] <Tm_T> hmm
[13:40] <Tm_T> lvjiabin: no need to be sorry
[13:40] <lvjiabin> you?where
[13:40] <lvjiabin> Ah,I know,
[13:40] <dhq> Tm_T i am on a windows pc can you tell me what all packages i i need for banshee so that it works i need to take it on my flash drive
[13:41] <Tm_T> dhq: no idea
[13:41] <Greenery> !cn
[13:41] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[13:41] <Tm_T> Greenery: thanks
[13:41] <Greenery> ^^
[13:42] <lvjiabin> Hi,the bot is so   clear
[13:42] <lvjiabin> ah
[13:45] <lvjiabin> Is anybody  here
[13:46] <emilsedgh> !ask | lvjiabin
[13:47] <ubotu> lvjiabin: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[13:54] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: howdy
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Morning All  :)
[13:54] <BluesKaj> hi Tm_T
[13:57] <Dresken> Anyone knows of a way to install windows on my other HDD after having Kubuntu installed without messing up GRUB?
[13:57] <Tm_T> Dresken: detach Ubuntu HDD ?
[13:58] <Dresken> That'll work?
[13:58] <kalle> what should i do if my package manager says that the database is blocked?
[13:58] <shampoo> mh u used sudo @ kalle?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix | kalle
[13:59] <ubotu> kalle: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[13:59] <shampoo> never mind s*
[14:01] <kalle> it responds:" dpkg: status database area is locked by another process"...
[14:01] <kalle> then?
[14:02] <Podre> how are you?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> kalle, close adept , synaptic or apt
[14:03] <kalle> it is closed...
[14:03] <kalle> -_-
[14:03] <BluesKaj> kalle, did you see the message above?
[14:03] <kalle> yes
[14:04] <BluesKaj> also the adeptfix message ?
[14:05] <TimS> I have a freshly installed system from the CD but it gives me an error when updating with tzdata
[14:06] <kalle> oh i didn't see it... :D thanks its working now
[14:09] <TimS> I have a weird problem, I have a version upgrade button avalibe in a new install of 7.10
[14:09] <TimS> lemme restart
[14:10] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: that is a known issue
[14:10] <WaltzingAlong> adept asking to upgrade to gutsy but your system is gutsy already? it is a known issue. you can grab the fix for it by adding the gutsy-proposed repository, then updating/upgrading (in adept, manage repositories, on the updates tab, select pre-release updates) or just ignore it for now | TimS
[14:11] <BluesKaj> TimS, http://packages.debian.org/etch/tzdata/all/download
[14:11] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: ?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> newer debugged sources
[14:17] <BluesKaj> TimS, some ppl are changing their time zones to Europe/Berlin in order to get the updated package installed....https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/116193
[14:17] <walter> hi!
[14:18] <walter> can anybody help me?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> I guess one can always change the time zone back to their real locale as soon as the pkg is installed
[14:18] <BluesKaj> !ask | walter
[14:18] <ubotu> walter: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[14:20] <shomik> whats the difference between fiesty fawn and gutsy gibbon
[14:20] <ehird`> shomik: gutsy is a newer version
[14:21] <shomik> how do i upgrade to gg from ff
[14:21] <BluesKaj> shomik, read the Topic above
[14:22] <Jucato> shomik: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/7.10-release.php#upgrade
[14:22] <Goodgame> Hi is there someone french here?
[14:22] <BluesKaj> !fr
[14:22] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[14:22] <shomik> k so gg is 7.10 and ff is 7.04??
[14:22] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:24] <shomik> so how do install the gg repository
[14:25] <begert> hey, anyone know what the little window is called that shows info when you hover over an application in the panel?
[14:25] <Jucato> shomik: just follow the instructions in the link I gave. all the instructions are there
[14:25] <Jucato> begert: icon mouseover effects
[14:26] <begert> sounds good :(
[14:26] <begert> heh, I meant :)
[14:26] <Jucato> begert: you're looking for a way to turn those big balloons off?
[14:27] <begert> no, i want to see if a bug is reported...I get leftover baloon garbage
[14:27] <Jucato> oh..
[14:30] <m_tadeu> hi...I'm having a problem with kaffeine...it's not displaying any subtitles, when using a .sub file
[14:31] <jaym> i just changed over from ubuntu and gnome to kubuntu how do i remove gnome completely
[14:31] <jpatrick> !purekde | jaym
[14:31] <ubotu> jaym: purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[14:31] <jpatrick> m_tadeu:
[14:31] <jpatrick> have you enabled the .sub file?
[14:32] <knulfine> HI... Can somebody give me the link to a german channel?
[14:32] <m_tadeu> jpatrick: yup...it's selected and set in the subtitles combo box
[14:32] <jpatrick> odd
[14:32] <jpatrick> !de | knulfine
[14:32] <ubotu> knulfine: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[14:32] <knulfine> thanks jpatrick
[14:33] <WaltzingAlong> danke
[14:33] <m_tadeu> jpatrick: it's the first time I try .sub files...srt is working like a charm
[14:33] <jaym> cool thanks
[14:33] <jaym> how do i make a shortcut to my home directory on my task bar?
[14:34] <m_tadeu> jaym: open a konqueror and drag'n'drop the home folder into the taskbar
[14:34] <jaym> didnt think was that easy
[14:34] <jaym> k
[14:34] <Jucato> jaym: there's one on the panel by default already
[14:35] <Jucato> the System Menu applet (beside the K Menu)
[14:36] <m_tadeu> BTW, is that applet editable?
[14:37] <mph> Anyone experience same thing? A recent update this week made my system settings applets unable to administer as "ROOT"  I have the actual errors...etc.
[14:37] <tilt> anyone can explain me how to instal a .tar.gz?
[14:38] <mph> tilt: install? I'm assuming it is all source?
[14:39] <tilt> mph:  i do not know... i  download  this link... http://www.poweriso.com/download.htm    and i'm not able with sudo apt....
[14:40] <mph> tilt: let me grab it and take a look
[14:40] <tilt> it is the first time that i need to install a prog wich is not in the adept installer
[14:44] <patricio> network-manager(kde) does not list my available wireless accesspoints, iwlist ath0 scan DOES, however!syslog output: NM: 11/17/2007 03:13:47 PM padi-laptop NetworkManager<info>  Updating allowed wireless network lists. <WARN>  nm_dbus_get_networks_cb(): error received: org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks - org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks.and later on: dhclient: wifi0: unknown hardware address type 801
[14:44] <BluesKaj> !compile | tilt
[14:44] <ubotu> tilt: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[14:44] <m_tadeu> anyone else about the kaffeine and the .sub files?
[14:45] <TimS> I have a new install of Kubuntu from the live cd that was sent in the post, I have a few adept updates that dont work such as kdelibs and there is a version upgrade button on adept. even though I am running 7.10, what is happening
[14:45] <mph> tilt: the tar.gz contains a binary; simply download it; extract it and you can run the poweriso directly
[14:46] <mph> tilt: to extract the tar.gz from the command line use:  tar xzf <<filename>>
[14:47] <mph> tilt: i'd suggest in your home location you create a 'bin' folder, and put the single file there, then edit your .bashrc and enable the .bin as a folder to which you wish to run binaries directly from any place (bash will lookup in bin)
[14:47] <BluesKaj> mph, pls let him read the posted UR before telling him how easy it is , cuz compiling can be confusing for ppl new to linux
[14:48] <BluesKaj> err URL
[14:48] <mph> BluesKaj: there was no compiling necessary
[14:48] <mph> BluesKaj: that .tar.gz contained a binary which ran without any libs needed to be installed on my kubuntu desktop
[14:49] <BluesKaj> mph, pretend yer newbie for a minute and read your previous post above pls
[14:49] <BluesKaj> I realize that .bin files are easier but ....
[14:50] <WaltzingAlong> adept asking to upgrade to gutsy but your system is gutsy already? it is a known issue. you can grab the fix for it by adding the gutsy-proposed repository, then updating/upgrading (in adept, manage repositories, on the updates tab, select pre-release updates) or just ignore it for now | TimS
[14:50] <TimS> Thanks WaltzingAlong
[14:51] <TimS> !adeptfix
[14:51] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:53] <tilt> mph:  what do you means with a bin folder?
[15:01] <tilt> mph:   sorry i crashed.. have you answer my question wet?
[15:04] <Dresken> I disabled my Nvidia graphis adapter and restarted, now I'm stuck at command line and when I try startx it shows me "Fatal server error: no screen found"
[15:04] <Dresken> Any idea how to resolve this?
[15:04] <ubuntu_> any german channel
[15:04] <BluesKaj> tilt, look in your System Menu/ Home Folder for the file you want to install
[15:04] <BluesKaj> !de
[15:04] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[15:05] <Dresken> Anyone? o_o
[15:06] <BluesKaj> Dresken, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , choose the vesa driver just get back to X
[15:06] <Dresken> I'll try that, thanks
[15:06] <mph> Anyone experience same thing? A recent update this week made my system settings applets unable to administer as "ROOT"  I have the actual errors...etc.
[15:07] <tilt> BluesKaj: at the momment that i open it i crash...
[15:08] <BluesKaj> tilt, open what ?
[15:09] <mph> tilt: did you get my messages?
[15:09] <tilt> nop
[15:09] <tilt> mph:  no....
[15:09] <tilt> BluesKaj:  i extract the files of the .tar.gz i open it and i crash..
[15:09] <tilt> [10:09] [DCC] Establishing DCC Chat connection to mph (76.20.242.136:1026)...
[15:09] <tilt> [10:09] [Error] Connection broken, error code 10.
[15:10] <mph> tilt: I think we are both wondering "what crashed", what is the output, etc.
[15:12] <tilt> the keyboard the mouse the screen .... i'm obligated to reboot with the button...
[15:12] <mph> tilt: I cannot promise the software you are playing with (poweriso) will not crash your machine
[15:12] <tilt> i think that is wine that make it crash
[15:13] <mph> huh?
[15:13] <WaltzingAlong> !iso
[15:13] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[15:13] <mph> tilt: why are you using wine?
[15:14] <tilt> i'm not using it.. but when i open the extrated files wine start... and after it freeze
[15:14] <mph> tilt: I am gathering from WaltzingAlong that you are trying to mount an iso?
[15:16] <BluesKaj> tilt, try kiso or acetoneiso ...poweriso is a windows app : hence, unstable in linux
[15:16] <tilt> it is an .aad
[15:17] <tilt> so  k3b do not open it...
[15:17] <Daisuke-Ido> nope
[15:17] <Daisuke-Ido> and .daa are poweriso archived things
[15:18] <tilt> and kiso i'm not able to instal it i got always an error...
[15:18] <Daisuke-Ido> your only real option is to use poweriso in wine or virtualized
[15:18] <tilt> poweriso got an linux version...
[15:19] <Daisuke-Ido> wow, it would appear there is
[15:19] <WaltzingAlong> PowerISO for Linux -- This is a free utility for linux which can extract, list, and convert image files              - then there should be no need of wine
[15:20] <tilt> ...
[15:20] <BluesKaj> ok, din't know that. trial version tho
[15:21] <tilt> just by opening wine i always crash...
[15:22] <BluesKaj> don't open wine
[15:22] <BluesKaj> uninstall wine , relogin ,reinstall wine
[15:23] <Dresken> Well fixed that issue, thanks for the help
[15:24] <tilt> crash again opening wine...
[15:24] <BluesKaj> Dresken , what graphics again ?
[15:25] <tilt> so wath i should do...
[15:25] <BluesKaj> uninstall wine
[15:26] <BluesKaj> most apps in windows have "linux equivalents" most users can get along without wine
[15:26] <mph> tilt: what do you want to do?
[15:27] <dresken__> BluesKaj: Nvidia
[15:27] <dresken__> brb restarting
[15:28] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: Indeed.
[15:28] <tilt> ok it got uninstalled
[15:29] <ardchoille> I have been using Linux since 2001 and haven't touched Windows apps, or Windows itself, since then.
[15:29] <jasonago> I enabled the nvidia-glx-new drivers in my kubuntu gutsy but the problem is that it doesnt preserve my screen resolution when I restart...It always reverts to 43hz with a distorted monitor view...I always need to run nvidia-settings before it will load again my settings...what will I do???
[15:30] <tilt> ardchoille:  have you extract a .daa with linux?
[15:30] <mph> anyone else sharing issues with systemsettings not kicking into admin mode?
[15:30] <ardchoille> tilt: No, I've never heard of a .daa file
[15:30] <dthacker> mph: kind of a meta question. got a specific setting in mind?
[15:31] <tilt> ardchoille:  it is like an .iso ..
[15:31] <jasonago> mph: I have experience some of that in gutsy but never in feisty...I always see feisty as better than gutsy...
[15:31] <dthacker> mph: wait, I misread that. sorry
[15:31] <BluesKaj> wow, ardchoille ...I need windows for document and photo scanning ...unfortunately kooka isn't up to the task yet. But that really the only reason i still have a small windows partition.
[15:31] <dthacker> mph: so you press admin mode button, enter pw and it hangs?
[15:32] <mph> dthacker: doesn't hang, i get error msgs like this:  kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[15:33] <BluesKaj> mph, run, sudo dpkg --configure -a ..then logout and back in again
[15:33] <mph> BluesKaj: done....be back....
[15:34] <dthacker> BluesKaj: that looks like a handy little widget of a command.  Do you think a database is corrupted?
[15:34] <mph> dthacker: hold that thought...i wanted to understand the problem :)
[15:34] <mph> brb...
[15:34] <dthacker> ok:)
[15:34] <BluesKaj> mph dthacker then run , sudo updatedb
[15:35] <WaltzingAlong> jasonago: it could be that the driver cannot handle more at that resolution. in konsole, xrandr
[15:35] <liam> hi
[15:37] <BluesKaj> !hi | liam__
[15:37] <ubotu> liam__: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[15:37] <TheGentleman> Opening AdeptManager I get an error message saying "Another process is using the packaging system database"   Checked using KSysGuard, but I can't find anything running with adept or apt in its name.  What could I do?
[15:37] <tilt> how instal the extracted file?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> !compile | tilt
[15:38] <ubotu> tilt: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[15:39] <WaltzingAlong> !aptfix | adept aptitude apt-get dpkg any of those?
[15:39] <ubotu> adept aptitude apt-get dpkg any of those?: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:39] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix | TheGentleman
[15:39] <ubotu> TheGentleman: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:39] <mph> same ... it did not resolve the issue.  I wish I knew what pkg it was.
[15:39] <JohnFlux> TheGentleman: you could do:  lsof  | grep dpkg      to see if that shows the process
[15:39] <vandal2> anyone know how ti make characters appear one at a time in a bas script?
[15:40] <vandal2> **bash
[15:40] <JohnFlux> vandal2: bas?
[15:40] <JohnFlux> oh
[15:40] <WaltzingAlong> vandal2: #bash ?
[15:40] <vandal2> sorry, cant spell
[15:40] <vandal2> tis bash
[15:40] <WaltzingAlong> sure but maybe check in that channel rather than in #kubuntu support
[15:40] <TheGentleman> well, I have lots of info to work on now BluesKaj , ubotu  and JohnFlux !!!   See you later
[15:40] <JohnFlux> vandal2: for f in   h e l l o ; do echo -n $f; sleep 1; done
[15:40] <linas_> huh, mine fn(i`m using laptop) keys aren`t working on kubuntu :/
[15:40] <vandal2> cheers :)
[15:41] <BluesKaj> mph, another trick might work , synaptic /edit/fix broken pkgs /apply ...sometimes it works or generates errors that we can take a look at
[15:42] <mph> BluesKaj: ok....I think it has something to do with a file or there lackof in /etc/qt3/
[15:43] <dthacker> mph: also googling generates this scenario http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=151193
[15:43] <tilt> BluesKaj:  it always said E: Couldn't find package poweriso
[15:44] <BluesKaj> tilt, where did you download the pkg to ?
[15:44] <WaltzingAlong> tilt: poweriso is not available in the ubuntu repos. you would need to download it directly from poweriso's website as the tar.gz
[15:44] <tilt> WaltzingAlong:  i got it..
[15:44] <wolf8> 中文支持测试
[15:44] <tilt> WaltzingAlong:  i got it extracted....
[15:45] <mph> dthacker: i will try updating the owners and perms on .kde also
[15:45] <tilt> WaltzingAlong: and now i don't know what to do with the extracted file
[15:45] <ardchoille> There are samba updates in security.. I hope this fixes the recent 403 bug
[15:45] <crimsun> ardchoille: they are the updated ones, yes.
[15:45] <dthacker> mph: good luck.
[15:45] <ardchoille> crimsun: :)
[15:45] <crimsun>      samba | 3.0.26a-1ubuntu2.2 | gutsy-security | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[15:46] <jasonago> why does kubuntu doesn't include some kde games and gimp by default in the CD installer? Does KDE really bigger than gnome?
[15:46] <ardchoille> jasonago: gimp is not a kde app
[15:46] <WaltzingAlong> jasonago: cd is only so big you know
[15:46] <dthacker> jasonago: the goal is to get you a working desktop with the most populare apps
[15:47] <jasonago> uhm...ok...
[15:47] <ardchoille> jasonago: And you can only fit so much data on a cd iso.. but you can installthem from the repos just as easily
[15:47] <wolf8> how to config arts? the v ersion of my os is 7.10
[15:47] <WaltzingAlong> tilt: ok so you downloaded http://www.poweriso.com/poweriso-1.1.tar.gz to /home/tilt/Desktop for example. then in konsole extracted the files  with tar xfvz poweriso-1.1.tar.gz        which should have just one new file 'poweriso'        so then run it with ./poweriso in konsole
[15:47] <jasonago> ok ok thanks...
[15:47] <dthacker> jason: installing the gimp and games is usually quick and easy.
[15:47] <jasonago> yes from adept...
[15:47] <TheGentleman> !adeptfix
[15:47] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[15:47] <BluesKaj> !arts | wolf8
[15:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about arts - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:48] <wolf8> thanks
[15:49] <wolf8> this is a wonderful world~~
[15:49] <wolf8> :)
[15:49] <Dresken> Any idea why I can't create an ntfs partition on another HDD using GParted?
[15:49] <ksal> hi
[15:49] <tilt> WaltzingAlong:
[15:49] <tilt> PowerISO   Copyright(C) 2004-2006 PowerISO Computing, Inc
[15:49] <tilt>             Type poweriso -? for help
[15:50] <ksal> when new kubuntu will be available?
[15:50] <tilt> and it all
[15:50] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, because it's ntfs
[15:50] <Daisuke_Ido> ksal: in 5-6 months, one was just released
[15:50] <Jucato> ksal: April 2008
[15:50] <Dresken> Ok let me rephrase the question, is there  a way to create an ntfs partition under linux?
[15:50] <ksal> ugh
[15:50] <ksal> thank
[15:50] <denzuko> hi all
[15:50] <Daisuke_Ido> what's the ugh for?
[15:50] <ksal> Dresken, ntfs is fully supported by kernel
[15:51] <ksal> Daisuke_Ido, nevermind
[15:51] <Daisuke_Ido> ksal: since when?
[15:51] <Jucato> Dresken, Daisuke_Ido: afaik, GParted should be able to do that
[15:51] <WaltzingAlong> tilt: exactly. ./poweriso -?             shows you how to use it
[15:51] <ksal> since long time
[15:51] <dthacker> hello denzuko
[15:51] <Daisuke_Ido> really...
[15:51] <ksal> ntfs-3g
[15:51] <denzuko> hi dt
[15:51] <tilt> nice  it got no graphical interface... ok thx i understand now
[15:51] <Dresken> Jucato: Well the option to create an ntfs partition is grayed out on GParted..
[15:51] <Jucato> Dresken, Daisuke_Ido: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php
[15:51] <Daisuke_Ido> so it's not natively supported by the kernel
[15:52] <TheGentleman> BluesKaj, still about adeptfix: I did what suggested. Now Adept manager opens WITHOUT asking for password. When trying to update a package it says there was an error with the package.
[15:52] <Daisuke_Ido> neat
[15:52] <Daisuke_Ido> however, why ntfs?
[15:52] <Daisuke_Ido> !ext3
[15:52] <ubotu> ext3 is the default filesystem on Ubuntu, and the most popular on Linux. You can read/write from Windows to ext3 via http://www.fs-driver.org
[15:52] <ksal> Daisuke_Ido, it's just not compiled into kernel
[15:53] <WaltzingAlong> TheGentleman: jump to konsole so you see adequate output. sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude -f install            (update and fix any dependency errors)
[15:53] <WaltzingAlong> !ntfs-3g
[15:53] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[15:53] <FSHero> Hi all: I'm using Amarok with a MySQL database. Where is the database file(s) actually located?
[15:53] <TheGentleman> thanks WaltzingAlong
[15:55] <WaltzingAlong> FSHero: in the mysql db. /var/lib/mysql/ perhaps
[15:55] <FSHero> o i c
[15:55] <BluesKaj> TheGentleman, there's a 10 min time perios after entering one PW that opening pkg managers etc is allowed without re-entering it.
[15:55] <dthacker> FSHero: likely in /var/lib/mysql/mysql
[15:55] <FSHero> WaltzingAlong: thanks, yes, they're all here :)
[15:55] <TimS> WaltzingAlong: How do I install nVidia drivers (glx-new) in gutsy?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> used to be 10 mins , not sure what the default is in gutsy
[15:56] <dthacker> !nvidia | TimS
[15:56] <ubotu> TimS: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:56] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: using the restricted drivers manager. kmenu/system settings/advanced/restricted manager
[15:56] <wolf8> how to choose the chanel in this tool?
[15:56] <WaltzingAlong> wolf8: /join #nameofchannel
[15:56] <dresken_> Thanks, that link solved my issue =P
[15:57] <wolf8> thanks  ,~~
[15:57] <wolf8> WaltzingAlong ~~this is the first time to use it
[15:58] <TheGentleman> BluesKaj, and WaltzingAlong  Thanks a lot!  I could solve my problem.
[15:58] <WaltzingAlong> TheGentleman: congrats
[15:58] <WaltzingAlong> wolf8: otherwise you could click the name #ubuntu should work in konversation
[15:59] <dthacker> bbl
[16:00] <dutu> hiho
[16:00] <wolf8> thank you ~~this is a free space, i like it , english talking is to hard to me ~~
[16:01] <wolf8> its bad
[16:01] <WaltzingAlong> wolf8: which channel would you like (language)? :D
[16:01] <dutu> someone who can help me wit a question to xdcc
[16:01] <dutu> im seaching a linux tool like xdcc catcher
[16:02] <FroggyTheGreat> Is there a HDD-checker program on the Kubuntu 7.10 livecd?  I can't immediately find one in the UI, and I don't know what the commandline would be.
[16:02] <dutu> i found xdcc fetch but im to stupid to install it
[16:02] <WaltzingAlong> FroggyTheGreat: smart tools?
[16:02] <ubuntu> there is any channel in another language, i.e. spanish or italian?
[16:02] <WaltzingAlong> !find smart | FroggyTheGreat
[16:02] <ubotu> froggythegreat: Found: libgdome2-cpp-smart-dev, libgdome2-cpp-smart0c2a, smartdimmer, smartmontools, xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin (and 16 others)
[16:02] <WaltzingAlong> !es | ubotu
[16:02] <ubotu> ubotu: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[16:02] <WaltzingAlong> !it | ubuntu
[16:02] <ubotu> ubuntu: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[16:03] <ubuntu> Thanks a lot! Muchas Gracias!  Molto Grazie!
[16:03] <ardchoille> dutu: What does xdcc do?
[16:03] <WaltzingAlong> ubuntu: :D
[16:03] <TimS> WaltzingAlong: What package do I need to install to change the login screen again?
[16:04] <ardchoille> kdmtheme
[16:04] <TimS> Ah, thanks
[16:04] <ardchoille> yw
[16:04] <FroggyTheGreat> So I'd do a n apt-get install smartmontools.
[16:05] <wolf8> chinese ,but i want to exchanges with others in different national
[16:05] <TimS> sudo apt-get install smartmontools
[16:05] <ubuntu> This is the first time that i use the IRC channels. Now I understand why people talks so good about them! See you Soon
[16:06] <ubuntu> One last question, please.. How can I change my nickname. I am using Konversation from Kubuntu Gutsy live cd
[16:06] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu: type /nick newname
[16:06] <Daisuke_Ido> whatever you want your name to ne :)
[16:06] <wolf8> i need a english guide
[16:06] <ardchoille> Does konv allow "/nick new_nick" ?
[16:06] <Daisuke_Ido> within reason, of course
[16:06] <wolf8> ~_~
[16:07] <Sierra-X> it certainly does :)
[16:07] <ardchoille> Sierra-X: ok
[16:07] <ubuntu> thank you Daisuke_ldo!!
[16:07] <Daisuke_Ido> you're welcome
[16:07] <TimS> Time to restart
[16:07] <TimS> brb
[16:08] <ubuntu_> hello
[16:08] <dutu> test 1234 :-)
[16:08] <Gizgiz> filled.inbox@gmail.com
[16:09] <wolf8> WaltzingAlong thanks~~
[16:09] <WaltzingAlong> !chinese | wolf8
[16:09] <ubotu> wolf8: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[16:11] <wolf8> please tell me the mean of " !chinese | wolf8"                  answer|asker?
[16:12] <wolf8> ubuntu thanks
[16:12] <wolf8> ~~
[16:12] <TimS> wolf8: It tells the bot to tell you about chinese help
[16:13] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone know the direct link to plain-html gmail so that Konqueror will load it?
[16:13] <mph> same problem with systemsettings....the broken pkgs did not resolve the issue, nor did the chown on .kde
[16:13] <wolf8> ~_~
[16:13] <wolf8> ubotu thankyou~~
[16:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thankyou~~ - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:14] <mph> where can i better understand how .kde functions with regards to .kde/systemsettings and i imagine kio? i can google it too, but someone knows a good ref?
[16:14] <O5K4|2> thanks everybody! I leave the channel!! XD
[16:19] <FroggyTheGreat> !smartmontools
[16:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smartmontools - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:19] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone know how to launch smartmontools once I've installed it?
[16:19] <FroggyTheGreat> !smart
[16:19] <ubotu> smart is another meta-package manager available for Ubuntu. It's quite stable, uses APT's repositories, can handle mirrors/multiple-connections, and is supposed to make Ubuntu BiArch-compatible. See http://labix.org/smart and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/SmartPackageManager
[16:21] <emilsedgh> kpackage (at least in kde4) uses smart
[16:24] <TimS> Using the nVidia drivers freezes my PC. It happens at random intervals and I think its a problem with my Graphics card, But I am not sure. Is there a way to check? It freezes my PC on Kubuntu but it did on Fedora aswell
[16:25] <WaltzingAlong> TimS: check applicable logs; different versions of the same module/driver; use 'nv' or 'vesa' when you desire no lockups   !nvidia
[16:27] <khumba-yo> moin
[16:27] <ariane> hi. i'm trying to emulate games with mupen64. i downloaded roms and unzipped them but when i try to run them with mupen64, nothing happens. could someone help me fix that please?
[16:31] <khumba-yo> bye @ll
[16:31] <BluesKaj> ariane, which version did you install , the command line or the gui ?
[16:32] <ariane> BluesKaj: of mupen64 ? i have the 0.5.1-1
[16:33] <ariane> BluesKaj: my version of kamefu is the 0.1.1
[16:39] <BluesKaj> ariane, type mupen64 in the konsole
[16:39] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: too many "i think i know everything" morons over there.  can't see how you can stand it
[16:40] <Jucato> emilsedgh: kpackages is maintained again? O.o
[16:40] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: hehe--just a change of pace :} still looking for a fix for your sound issue--do you get any specific messages--like no device found ,etc?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, helpful types eh ..."i got linux chops and you don't so too bad "
[16:42] <Daisuke_Ido> amarok's giving me "Audio output unavailable; the device is busy.  xine parameters:"
[16:42] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: ok, will continue to look.
[16:43] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, that message usually means the libxine1-ffmpeg app isn't installed
[16:43] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: i can assure you it is :)
[16:43] <Daisuke_Ido> it's been working fine for months
[16:43] <Daisuke_Ido> i get no sound in ANY app
[16:44] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[16:44] <Daisuke_Ido> even vlc, which is odd
[16:44] <Daisuke_Ido> but i have my startup sounds
[16:45] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: initial indications are that several items are trying to share the card--numerous bug reports filed with that card (from Feisty onwards)--will see if there is a fix
[16:46] <ariane> BluesKaj: ooh. tells me i've got a couple of plugins uninstalled
[16:47] <Daisuke_Ido> let's see what could be locking the sound system
[16:47] <BluesKaj> yeah launch amarok from the shell
[16:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i can launch amarok fine, i just can't play anything :)
[16:49] <pacman> I'm trying to set up my torrents so I don't actually save the torrent, it automatically opens in KTorrent and begins downloading
[16:49] <pacman> how do I set that up?
[16:49] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: is this onboard or pci?
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> onboard
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> QString::arg(): Argument missing: <p>Audio output unavailable; the device is busy.<p>xine parameters: <i></i>, file:///media/Music/A/Air/Talkie Walkie/02 - Cherry blossom girl.mp3
[16:49] <BluesKaj> hate to statre the obvious but have you checked soundsystem settings and the kmix
[16:49] <Daisuke_Ido> yes and yes
[16:50] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: have you checked the bios--it might be disabled there
[16:50] <BluesKaj> ok, try a diff tune :)
[16:50] <Timmy|away> I have installed the nVidia driver, but it doesnt work, I am now in recovery mode, whats the command to change drivesr, is something like dpkg-reconfigure
[16:50] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: how can it be disabled in the bios if i haven't rebooted and it worked yesterday?
[16:51] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: everything has the same result
[16:51] <bazhang> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Timmy|away
[16:52] <BluesKaj> wav files too ?
[16:52] <Daisuke_Ido> yup
[16:52] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: just trying a step by step of the comprensive sound card guide on ubuntuforums--sorry if some of this stuff is obvious or wrong--just trying to nail down the problem :}
[16:52] <Daisuke_Ido> wav, ogg, mp3
[16:52] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: no worries
[16:53] <martint> Hi, how can I extract a zip file keeping its former permissions
[16:53] <martint> ?
[16:53] <martint> thanks
[16:53] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: what does aplay -l say in the terminal?
[16:53] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i think...
[16:54] <Jucato> emilsedgh: that would be a surprising (maybe even good) news to me... although all eyes seem to be on PackageKit these days
[16:54] <emilsedgh> Jucato: it now depends on Smart
[16:54] <Jucato> oh.. Smart.... :/
[16:54] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: http://pastebin.ca/778493
[16:54] <Timmy|away> thanks bazhang I dont think its what I used last time, there were loads of options this time, before it was just the driver options, not mouse and keyboard
[16:54] <emilsedgh> Jucato: Adept... :P
[16:55] <Jucato> emilsedgh: at least it's not fully python... :P
[16:55] <emilsedgh> hehe
[16:55] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i have no problem with being python, the UI!
[16:56] <Jucato> emilsedgh: all of smart is python afaik. backend (non-UI) and UI
[16:56] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: does that list sound cards? --can't access that page for some reason
[16:56] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, playback devices
[16:56] <bazhang> ok
[16:57] <martint> Hi, how can I extract a zip file keeping its former permissions (if possible at all)
[16:57] <emilsedgh> Jucato: is there any plan for updating the Adept's UI?
[16:57] <jpatrick> emilsedgh: yep
[16:57] <emilsedgh> jpatrick: just tell me 'when'!
[16:58] <Jucato> jpatrick, emilsedgh: that largely depends on Ubuntu-dom switching over to PackageKit... so we're in a sort of standstill
[16:58] <Daisuke_Ido> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44902/
[16:58] <emilsedgh> Jucato: ubuntu wants to switch on packagekit?
[16:58] <jpatrick> emilsedgh: you didn't ask for that :)
[16:58] <Jucato> emilsedgh: not reading FOSSCamp news are you? :P
[16:58] <Jucato> emilsedgh: not really "wants to" but "looking into it"
[16:59] <emilsedgh> Jucato: no im not, i read osnews and kdeDot :D
[16:59] <Jucato> os..what?
[16:59] <Jucato> bah nvm :P
[16:59] <emilsedgh> hehe
[16:59] <Timmy|away> Jucato: How do i replace one file with another?
[16:59] <emilsedgh> Jucato: what about Debian?
[16:59] <Timmy|away> On the comand line
[16:59] <emilsedgh> Jucato: the want to go to packagekit too?
[16:59] <emilsedgh> they*
[16:59] <Jucato> emilsedgh: I dunno
[17:00] <Jucato> no news from them so far
[17:00] <Jucato> s/news/rumor/
[17:00] <Jucato> Timmy|away: what do you mean?
[17:00] <Timmy|away> I want to delete one file and replace it with another on the command line
[17:00] <Jucato> just delete it and create a new file?
[17:01] <Timmy|away> The new file already exists, its a back up, I want to restor it
[17:01] <Timmy|away> Im in recovery mode
[17:01] <Jucato> mv oldname newname
[17:01] <Jucato> that "renames" a file
[17:01] <Timmy|away> Thanks, that should do
[17:02] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: have you launched alsamixer in Konsole, then made sure it works with each reboot --code: sudo alsactl store 0
[17:03] <ubuzztu> installed kubuntu dualboot with xp on T60p working like a charm
[17:03] <vbgunz> ubuzztu: you have a lenovo T60 thinkpad?
[17:03] <ubuzztu> yes
[17:03] <BluesKaj> what's the best app to record analog audio on line-in ?
[17:03] <vbgunz> ubuzztu: do you use the little external mouse with that notebook?
[17:04] <Daisuke_Ido> launching it made no difference whatsoever
[17:04] <ubuzztu> vbgunz: no
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: audacity
[17:04] <BluesKaj> yeah , audacity is ok , but I just need something simpler
[17:04] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: what engine do have enabled with amarok?
[17:04] <vbgunz> ubuzztu: damn... I have the same notebook, with the external mouse. the mouse has a bug where in Windows and Linux it just takes off by itself... sucks hard core when playing games like Portal... it spins out... worse mouse ever
[17:04] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: Krecord
[17:05] <adam> Hello, need some help
[17:05] <ubuzztu> vbgunz: bummer...
[17:05] <ubuzztu> stepping out... later..
[17:05] <Daisuke_Ido> xine
[17:05] <Joti> what do you think on that new dolphin file manager?
[17:05]  * BluesKaj checks out krecord
[17:05] <nosrednaekim> !info krecord
[17:05] <ubotu> krecord: KDE sound recorder. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.16-3 (gutsy), package size 66 kB, installed size 308 kB
[17:06] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: have you tried any others--or is that the only option
[17:06] <Daisuke_Ido> xine engine, autodetect output plugin
[17:06] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: I may be thinking of krec, one of them is an arts soud recorder and doesn't work too well.
[17:06] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the only option - even after installing amarok-engines
[17:06] <vbgunz> Joti: imho, all the time spent on reinventing the wheel could have gone into fixing, enahcing and crushing bugs in Konqueror :(
[17:06] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: have you tried installing alsa-oss?
[17:07] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: dolphin isn't reinventing the wheel
[17:07] <bazhang> more like breaking it
[17:07] <Daisuke_Ido> dolphin and konqueror serve two completely different purposes
[17:07] <vbgunz> Daisuke_Ido: it is a file manager no?
[17:07] <adam> can anyone help with a failed upddate, left me with blank screen flashing cursor
[17:07] <nosrednaekim> adam: ctrl+alt+f2 do anything?
[17:07] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: it's not a browser, and it's not as fine grained as konqueror
[17:07] <bazhang> adam: from feisty to gutsy?
[17:07] <adam> dont like dolphin
[17:07] <Daisuke_Ido> adam: what you don't like is d3lphin
[17:07] <vbgunz> Daisuke_Ido: yeah Dolphin is for those who should be on Gnome and Konqueror is for those who like KDE :)
[17:07] <adam> yes, Ican get to tty
[17:08] <Joti> vbgunz exactly thats what
[17:08] <Timmy|away> I have a problem. I cannot start x at all. I installed the latest nVidia drivers, it worked, I restarted, nothing happend. I sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg and tried the nv and vesa drivers, what should I do? Can I make it automaticly redetect xorg.conf? It worked when i first installed Kubuntu
[17:08] <adam> cannot boot to GUI
[17:08] <bazhang> adam: have you tried to continue update?
[17:08] <Gannondorf> need help installing kdm-theme-manager
[17:08] <nick_> Hey everyone, I'm doing a manual backup and I wanted to know if there is a way I can get the command line to display all the files created after a certain day
[17:09] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: does amarok engines include alsa-oss?
[17:09] <Joti> i especially hate that there is now decent adress bar anymore but that gnome adress-click-o-bar-straight-frome-the-stoneage
[17:09] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: no, and your attitude toward other DEs is despicable to say the least.  wait for kde4 before passing judgement on dolphin, because what's in the repos right now?  it sucks, and sucks hard.  the actual dolphin is quite nice
[17:09] <vbgunz> Timmy|away: what do you when it comes to X? a blinking cursor or something?
[17:09] <WaltzingAlong> Timmy|away: restore your backup. otherwise check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find out why X failed.
[17:09] <Gannondorf> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[17:09] <Gannondorf> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[17:09] <Gannondorf> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[17:09] <Daisuke_Ido> Joti: it's a little more advanced than gnome's
[17:09] <Timmy|away> WaltzingAlong: The backup doesnt work, Ill try again.
[17:09] <Timmy|away> vbgunz: I dont even get a cursor, just a black screen
[17:09] <WaltzingAlong> Timmy|away: check the log          less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:10] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i never want ubuntu goes to packagekit if debian doesnt
[17:10] <Timmy|away> Ok WaltzingAlong
[17:10] <Gannondorf> !paste
[17:10] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: just trying to help--alsa-oss installed?
[17:10] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[17:10] <Daisuke_Ido> bazhang: was reaming someone else :)
[17:10] <Daisuke_Ido> checking
[17:10] <Joti> daisuke_ido: yes it may be, but it still dont like it. first thing that gets off my machine on any install
[17:10] <bazhang> hehe
[17:11] <Jucato> emilsedgh: hm?
[17:11] <Gannondorf> can someone help me out?
[17:11] <Daisuke_Ido> it is installed, yes
[17:11] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i only want ubuntu uses packagekit, if debian goes too packagekit too
[17:11] <vbgunz> Daisuke_Ido: the reason I switched to KDE was because of how much greater it really is. I say that after a year on Gnome and less than a year on KDE. I aint just dissing Gnome. truth is, Dolpin is so simple, that is the first impression I get from it. it doesn't belong in KDE. even if it had more options than Konqueror, what is the point in 2 file managers? why not 3 or 4 or 5? I think 1 is enough right now :)
[17:11] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: have you used dolphin yet?
[17:12] <Gannondorf> help with compiling errors
[17:12] <Gannondorf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44903/
[17:12] <Daisuke_Ido> and linux = choice.  more than one filemanager?  sure!  pick your favorite!
[17:12] <adam> Tried dpkg --configure -a it finished installing packages and killed my boot into old kernel
[17:12] <Jucato> emilsedgh: PackageKit isn't a replacement for .deb/APT
[17:12] <vbgunz> I used it for a little bit when setting up new accounts. I don't even switch it out for Konqueror becasue konqueror is my preference. the new accoutns I've set up I let stand and don't even mention konqueror.
[17:12] <emilsedgh> Jucato: i know
[17:12] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: what about grep 'audio' /etc/group
[17:13] <Daisuke_Ido> audio:x:29:sierra-x,writerone
[17:13] <bazhang> ok
[17:13] <Joti> my first impression was: worst of osx (finder "click through multiple panels") , windows (strange usability), gnome (that adressbar) together in one thing...
[17:13] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: so you've installed the latest kde4 beta and used DOLPHIN, rather than d3lphin
[17:13] <Gannondorf> someone help me with kdm theme manager error
[17:13] <Joti> konqueror is lovely
[17:13] <emilsedgh> Jucato: Ubuntu = Debian For Desktop (to me)
[17:13] <Daisuke_Ido> what's default on gutsy is, AGAIN, not dolphin
[17:13] <Joti> just like kde
[17:14] <nick_> Hey everyone, I'm doing a manual backup and I wanted to know if there is a way I can get the command line to display all the files created on or after a certain day
[17:14] <Gannondorf> someone help me with kdm theme manager error
[17:14] <vbgunz> Daisuke_Ido: no KDE4. I am speaking about 3.5.8 Dolphin.
[17:14] <ardchoille> vbgunz: If you used it in kde3.5.8, then what you used was d3lphin, a fork of dolphin. I'm told the real dolphin is much better
[17:14] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: then i share your feelings, it's crap
[17:14] <Joti> kde4 preview looks lovely too
[17:14] <Daisuke_Ido> the real dolphin *is* much better
[17:14] <Gannondorf> someone help me with kdm theme manager error
[17:14] <Timmy|away> Is it possible to make a list of all packages installed and then use it install thoes packages on a fresh install?
[17:14] <emilsedgh> Dolphin in 3.5.8 is real dolphin! just an older version...
[17:14] <Gannondorf> !kdm-theme-manager
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> !patience | Gannondorf, stop repeating yourself and read this:
[17:15] <ubotu> Gannondorf, stop repeating yourself and read this:: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[17:15] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Ido, maybe your soundcard is out of the mix  cat /proc/asound/cards
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> the kde4 dolphin is "a much better" dolphin than the kde358 dolphin (but still dolphin, not konqueror for those who liked that)
[17:15] <Joti> daisuke_ido then i'm really intrested how the real dolphin may look...
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> i just finished building kde4beta4 here from svn.
[17:15] <Daisuke_Ido> it has a much cleaner kde-like interface, for one
[17:16] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: then thats not Beta4! thats svn :P
[17:16] <Daisuke_Ido>  0 [CK804          ]: NFORCE - NVidia CK804
[17:16] <Daisuke_Ido>                       NVidia CK804 with ALC850 at irq 17
[17:16]  * Joti thinks that d3lphin may ruin the reputation of the real dolphin in advanc
[17:16] <vbgunz> Daisuke_Ido: yeah maybe it was a bad move on Kubuntus part. I just see no point in introducing a new app that does the same thing and when compared is inferior to the latter
[17:16] <WaltzingAlong> but of course emilsedgh
[17:16] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: so what do you think?
[17:16] <Daisuke_Ido> vbgunz: d3lphin is most definitely inferior to konqueror.  dolphin is - depending on what you do.
[17:16] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not a browser
[17:16] <WaltzingAlong> emilsedgh: just trying out an app here and there ... coming along nicely it seems
[17:16] <Daisuke_Ido> it doesn't need to be, though, it's *just* a file manager
[17:17] <Gannondorf> Need help with compiling error with kdm theme manager
[17:17] <Daisuke_Ido> Gannondorf: is listening too difficult for you?
[17:17] <Gannondorf> yes
[17:17] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: most of the apps except Konqueror, Kopete and 1-2 others are in a very good shape
[17:17] <Minataku> Gannondorf: What's the error?
[17:17] <Gannondorf> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44903/
[17:17] <ardchoille> Timmy|away: It's something like: dpkg --get-selections > packages.txt && sudo dpkg --set-selections << packages.txt  Check out man dpkg (--get-selectins and --set-selections)
[17:17] <Minataku> Oh
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> so install kde theme manager from the repos
[17:18] <Minataku> You're lacking the pieces of KDE needed to compile it
[17:18] <Gannondorf> which are?
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !kdetheme
[17:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdetheme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:18] <Minataku> I'm not sure
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> !info kdetheme
[17:18] <ubotu> Package kdetheme does not exist in gutsy
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> BAH
[17:18] <Minataku> !kde-libs-dev
[17:18] <Jucato> !info kdmtheme | Gannondorf
[17:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-libs-dev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:18] <ardchoille> !kdmtheme
[17:18] <ubotu> gannondorf: kdmtheme: theme manager for KDM. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 47 kB, installed size 200 kB
[17:18] <Minataku> Hm
[17:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kdmtheme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:18] <Joti> does anyone know if there is a nice alternative to gimp - maybe for kde?
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> kdmtheme :D
[17:18] <Minataku> You could also just install the binary package
[17:18] <Daisuke_Ido> thank you ardchoille
[17:18] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: perhaps a purge and reinstall of the sound items: sudo apt-get --purge remove linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils
[17:18] <Joti> gimp's interface is just plain horrible
[17:18] <Gannondorf> minataku: there's a binary?
[17:18] <Minataku> Which will be a lot easier, unless there's a specific reason you need to compile it
[17:19] <Minataku> Yes
[17:19] <Daisuke_Ido> Joti: write one that's better
[17:19] <Gannondorf> I was un aware
[17:19] <Minataku> It's kdmtheme
[17:19] <Minataku> !repos
[17:19] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[17:19] <Jucato> kdm theme manager is not the same as kde theme manager
[17:19] <ehird`> Joti: yes, there is. I do forget the name.
[17:19] <Minataku> Make sure you have all the repositories enabled
[17:19] <Joti> possibly not my language
[17:19] <Jucato> Minataku: that's basically no longer necessary, since universe and multiverse are enabled by default :)
[17:19] <Minataku> kdmtheme is in universe
[17:19] <Gannondorf> yeah...
[17:19] <Minataku> Jucato: He may be on an older version
[17:19] <Joti> that would be cool. i don't need that much features but a faster ui
[17:20] <Gannondorf> there it goes
[17:20] <Gannondorf> thanks
[17:20] <Minataku> np
[17:20] <Joti> like paint.net vs. photoshop
[17:20] <Jucato> Minataku: dapper and older would be the only ones. but yeah
[17:20] <Daisuke_Ido> Joti: krita might be for you
[17:20] <WaltzingAlong> emilsedgh: what was the replacement for kdrc?
[17:20] <adam> Feisty, I think the kernel update hosed me and I  am not sure how to recover.
[17:21] <Joti> i'll try that
[17:21] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: krdc? no replacment, its just improved, thats in kdenetwork try it
[17:22] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm about to pull some hair out here...
[17:22] <ardchoille> lol
[17:22] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Ido: Don't do it!
[17:22] <WaltzingAlong> emilsedgh: (yes not beta4, but from svn, though application/help/about kde reports beta4)
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> especially if i find out that this thing i've been checking every 10 minutes or so is the source of my problems :\
[17:23] <emilsedgh> WaltzingAlong: yes thats marked as beta4
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> because the sound issues correspond with starting that...
[17:23] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: then a reinstall via: sudo apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> WoW downloader.
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> wine
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> probably screwing my sound
[17:23]  * Daisuke_Ido takes a small bow
[17:23] <Daisuke_Ido> thank you folks, i'm an idiot.
[17:24] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm going to hold off on the whole purge and reinstall until that finishes
[17:24] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: if that still doesn't work, then perhaps--sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source (assuming you have the build-essentials installed).
[17:24] <Minataku> Hm
[17:25] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: ok. let me know if I can help out any further.
[17:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Minataku: not a word from you :P  some friends at work talked me into checking out the free trial :D
[17:25] <Level15> hey... i need a hand getting my bt headset to work... anyone with any experience on this?
[17:26] <Minataku> Huh?
[17:27] <Minataku> Oh, no, I was just making noises
[17:27] <Joti> daisuke_ide thanks i suppose krita was just the right suggestion :)
[17:27] <Daisuke_Ido> k
[17:27] <Minataku> I'm trying to get an alternate input method working
[17:27] <Daisuke_Ido> krita's nice
[17:27] <Minataku> So I can type in Japanese
[17:27] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[17:29] <patricio> Syslog writes: <WARN>  nm_dbus_get_networks_cb(): error received: org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks - org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.NoNetworks. When I try to get a list of the available networks (wireless ap's and ethernet cable plugged) using networkmanager-kde succeder of knetworkmanager (but inherited the name obviously). So my list is not being generated. What I found strange too: wpa_supplicant was not running. I 
[17:29] <patricio>  /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf to get my wireless running
[17:29] <andresj> hello, anybody know how to write the ux in esperanto? it's the u with a diactrical mark similar to a flattened u, or a backwards ^.
[17:29] <patricio> But this is old school, the automated way using knetworkmanager and they kdewallet for the keys etc. was great, why did this stop working?
[17:30] <andresj> it's name is u-breve.
[17:31] <GuyFromHell> Anyone know of something i could use that can manage my vpn connection, specifically automatically run 'vpnc' when i have wireless to a specific ssid. I've tried network-manager-vpnc and kvpnc but neither work, just 'vpnc' in console works fine though.
[17:31] <GuyFromHell> can it just be done at some shell script level maybe?
[17:32] <Joti> do i have to do any additional stuff to get network-manager working with pptp other than installing network-manager-pptp?
[17:38] <darryl> Hi Guys, I am using NX Client on my Windows Laptop to connect to my Ubuntu desktop PC.  NX Client starts a new KDE session, so here is what I am wondering.  WIth my new KDE sesstion started, is there a way to bring the running applications from Desktop:0 into this new one that NX Client started?
[17:39] <heinkel_111> !envy
[17:39] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[17:39] <FroggyTheGreat> Ai yi ti.
[17:39] <FroggyTheGreat> yi, rather.
[17:39] <darryl> anyone know?
[17:39] <nosrednaekim> darryl: I don't think so.
[17:40] <nosrednaekim> darryl: without restarting them.
[17:40] <darryl> I though there would be a way to switch them since they are running under the same user account?
[17:40] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: you could use x11vnc to vnc to a running x session
[17:40] <FroggyTheGreat> Anyone had a problem with a corrupted 7.10 livecd install disk?
[17:40] <heinkel_111> does the 8600 GT nvidia cards work with the standard supplied drivers ?
[17:40] <FroggyTheGreat> I've got one, and I'm trying to figure out if it's the iso or the cd.
[17:40] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: I did that but its SOOOOO super slow, NX Client is fast
[17:41] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: nxclient to nxserver or nxclient to a vnc server?
[17:41] <heinkel_111> i reaad some place that 8600 needed newer drivers than those supplied by ubuntu?
[17:41] <darryl> nxclient to vnc
[17:41] <Minataku> Hm
[17:41] <nosrednaekim> heinkel_111: I believe it works with nvidia-glx-new
[17:41] <seezer> heinkel_111: restricted-manager should handle that for you
[17:42] <heinkel_111> thanks, i will try it
[17:42] <seezer> heinkel_111: otherwise install nvidia-glx-new manually
[17:42] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: blah, i mean VNC Viewer to X11vnc is slow
[17:42] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: so I use nxclient to nxserver and its fast
[17:42] <Minataku> test
[17:42] <FroggyTheGreat> Is it possible to do a net-install of Kubuntu if you only have the regular livecd?
[17:42] <Minataku> Nope :P
[17:42] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: but I want to be able to access the running applicatons on the Desktop 0
[17:43] <heinkel_111> seezer: is that sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new (i already have a customized xorg.conf files which i reapply manually)
[17:43] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: ok so nxclient to nxserver then in that connections launch x11vnc to grab the :0 then vncviewer from inside the nxclient's connection
[17:43] <cox> anyone know how i bridge my wifi connection the ethernet card to share the internet connection
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> !iptables
[17:44] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[17:44] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: heh - thats one heck of a process, let me try it - you think it will be fast?
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> !bridging
[17:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bridging - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:44] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: has been for me
[17:44] <seezer> heinkel_111: for example yes. you could also try the gui "adept manager"
[17:44] <nosrednaekim> cox: all I know is that it is possible:D
[17:45] <cox> nosrednaekim: haha cheers
[17:45] <heinkel_111> seezer, thanks, but no thanks, i enjoy learning stuff about apt :-)
[17:45] <llutz> cox: all you need is to activate ip-forwarding at your internet-connected device
[17:45] <heinkel_111> so i may try it manually
[17:46] <cox> llutz: would that be under sys/admin/network?
[17:46]  * genii sips a coffee
[17:46] <llutz> cox: i don't know, but that are  just 2 lines in a terminal
[17:46] <BluesKaj> hmmm both krecoed and audacity crash and fail to record ...gutsy isn't ready good audio recording
[17:47] <cox> llutz: ok cheers, i shall do some googling
[17:47] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj: have kubuntu ever sone a decent job with sound recording?
[17:48] <heinkel_111> done a decent job
[17:49] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111, I used audacity in edgy with some of my vinyl stuff that then successfully put on cd , so it did work well in earlier releases
[17:50] <heinkel_111> good to hear, i always had problems but I have just bought some more recording equipment to fumble around with
[17:50] <BluesKaj> audacity is really buggy in gutsy Im afraidd
[17:50] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj: tried manually recompiling an older version of audacity?å
[17:51] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111, I'm using the audio feed from a sat receiver which has some decent audio only channels
[17:51] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj: i sometimes find that kubuntu is too far in front on versions
[17:51] <BluesKaj> are you heinkel_111 , pls let me know how it works out
[17:52] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: Ok i have done that - but its still really really slow
[17:53] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj: i haven't tried it yet,  but if the new version is unstable, the older one may be preferable, although this may also be a problem with hardware support on your machine I guess
[17:53] <ronacin> Hi, who connect to Brazil channel??
[17:53] <heinkel_111> remember ubuntu gets it's stuff from the unstable part of the debian tree....
[17:54] <heinkel_111> !Brazil
[17:54] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[17:54] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111, I wonder if the edgy version will work on 64bit ...previously i was running the 32bit versions of kubuntu :http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=audacity
[17:54] <ronacin> valeu!!! tks!!
[17:55] <ronacin> #ubuntu-br
[17:55] <BluesKaj> heinkel_111, yeah, my pc isn't exactly hiend audio wise ..realtek :)
[17:55] <heinkel_111> BluesKaj i don't think the binary package will work out of the box, i think you must compile
[17:57] <heinkel_111> i also have a realtek + a cheap audigy card, but on edgy (with an older version of same motherboard) nothing worked as far as sound recording, i switched to (insert name of alternative OS here) for that after much trouble
[17:57] <Daisuke_Ido> og course
[17:57] <Daisuke_Ido> now sound works fine
[17:57] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: you could also ssh into the machine, launch tightvncserver, then vnc into that later, leaving it running (like nxserver can leave a session for later)
[17:57] <Daisuke_Ido> it was wine, i am an idiot, and bazhang, sorry for wasting your time :P
[17:57] <semistud2354> hey guys...i need some linux magic.....i have a websight here that i cannot use unless i have internet explorer 5....is there ANY way i can trick this websight into thinking that firefox is internet explorer....im using gutsy 64
[17:58] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: no waste here--you're not happy-we're not happy :}
[17:58] <seezer> heinkel_111: but the audigy drivers aren't that bad on linux. haven't had any recording issues since.. years..
[17:58] <heinkel_111> here is a question: when i now run sudo apt-get somepackage, the output always comes with "
[17:58] <heinkel_111> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[17:58] <heinkel_111> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[17:58] <heinkel_111> at the end
[17:59] <heinkel_111> i cannot remember that from previous versions. what does it mean?
[17:59] <seezer> heinkel_111: that's a _good_ feature ;)
[17:59] <seezer> instead of running ldconfig after each package, packages trigger a single ldconfig run at the end of apt/aptitude etc.
[17:59] <heinkel_111> seezer: I know, (concerning the audigy drivers), i assumed they were not the problem
[18:00] <heinkel_111> seezer: in other words, it just report that it is doing the final set up?
[18:00] <seezer> so if you run apt-get upgrade or something you save 2*10²³ ldconfig runs which equals time which equals money ;)
[18:00] <DRtuxthepenguin> how can i use kde4
[18:01] <heinkel_111> seezer: remember that it also relates to space, as there is no real distinction between time and space
[18:01] <heinkel_111> ...
[18:01] <seezer> :)
[18:01] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: follow the instructions at kubuntu.org for installing kde4beta3
[18:01] <DRtuxthepenguin> is there a way for kde beta 4
[18:01] <WaltzingAlong> !info audacity
[18:01] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2321 kB, installed size 6832 kB
[18:02] <WaltzingAlong> DRtuxthepenguin: the packages for kubuntu are not available so you could build it from svn then you have something even more recent than beta4
[18:02] <DRtuxthepenguin> !svn
[18:02] <ubotu> svn is Subversion: an open-source revision control system, which aims to be a compelling replacement for CVS. See http://subversion.tigris.org/
[18:02] <DRtuxthepenguin> will compiling take forever
[18:02] <hdevalence> yeah
[18:02] <WaltzingAlong> less than forever
[18:02]  * heinkel_111 is out for an X restart
[18:03] <hdevalence> but otoh, the newer versions are probably more stable
[18:03] <DRtuxthepenguin> how long usually
[18:03] <seezer> heinkel_111: yeah. it's somehow "final setup". ld links libraries to executables and uses a cache for that. so before the "trigger" thingy, ldconfig rebuilt the linker cache for every single installed package reporting "i bring new libs!"
[18:03] <seezer> something like this..
[18:03] <WaltzingAlong> couple hours? depends on your system of course. DRtuxthepenguin; and no need  to recompile each day
[18:03] <hdevalence> DRtuxthepenguin: it depends on your hardware
[18:04] <hdevalence> in addition to the time it takes to actually compile, you also have to download
[18:04] <DRtuxthepenguin> 933Mhz
[18:05] <hdevalence> probably several (>6?) hours, i don't relly know
[18:05] <zero_> hi
[18:05] <DRtuxthepenguin> i will just wait till kubuntu people make kde4 beta 4 or when kde4 is out
[18:06] <DRtuxthepenguin> !hardy
[18:06] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[18:07] <DRtuxthepenguin> !kde4
[18:07] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 3 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta3.php
[18:07] <zero_> hi
[18:07] <DRtuxthepenguin> hi
[18:07] <zero_> your can help my
[18:07] <CPrgmSwR2> ubotu: how about KDE 4 RC1?
[18:07] <genii> Is there a svn or cvs of Hardy yet?
[18:08] <zero_> help in my computer (kubuntu)
[18:08] <Tm_T> genii: err what?
[18:08] <CPrgmSwR2> ubotu: delete yourself
[18:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about delete yourself - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:08] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: Yea, I just find VNC as a whole is extreemly slow over my LAN, only the NX Client / Server seems to be fast
[18:08] <DRtuxthepenguin> genii: hardy alpha1 is not even out yet
[18:08] <Tm_T> CPrgmSwR2: don't play with bot
[18:08] <genii> DRtuxthepenguin: Ok thx
[18:08] <Tm_T> genii: repositories are open
[18:09] <DRtuxthepenguin> genii:read this
[18:09] <DRtuxthepenguin> genii:
[18:09] <hdevalence> isn't beta4 already out?
[18:09] <DRtuxthepenguin> genii:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[18:09] <WaltzingAlong> darryl: even on your lan. interesting and yes nxclient/nxserver seems fast too
[18:09] <jpatrick> hdevalence: topic
[18:09] <genii> tm_t: I usually d/l iso files as they come out for my own archiving etc
[18:09] <hdevalence> oh i c
[18:09] <zero_> aaaau  im in russia please help my in my computer (cubuntu). yur can help my
[18:09] <darryl> WaltzingAlong: yep, no matter what i do with VNC it crawls along, only NX client is extreemly fast and nice refresh speeds
[18:09] <pag> !ru | zero_
[18:09] <ubotu> zero_: Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[18:10] <DRtuxthepenguin> pag: how do you make the verticle line
[18:10] <Tm_T> genii: so that's "no" then
[18:10] <genii> So Dec 20th is soonest, looks like then :)
[18:10] <zero_> join ru people = zero
[18:11] <pag> DRtuxthepenguin, alt gr + the button left from Z on Finnish layout ;)
[18:11] <pag> DRtuxthepenguin, I have no ide about other layouts, sorry :)
[18:12] <heinkel_111> that was a bummer, when i installed the nvidia driver it killed my audio :(
[18:12] <genii> Well, time to go to the computer store :) Laters
[18:13] <heinkel_111> probably by diverting the audo to the realtek sound insteaad of the audigy
[18:16] <DRtuxthepenguin> ok thanks
[18:17] <semistud2354> hey guys...i need some linux magic.....i have a websight here that i cannot use unless i have internet explorer 5....is there ANY way i can trick this websight into thinking that firefox is internet explorer....im using gutsy 64
[18:18] <Chousuke> ... website, you mean?
[18:18] <semistud2354> its like this websight that i have a class on
[18:18] <jpatrick> semistud2354: Tools -> Change Browers ID...
[18:19] <jpatrick> (for Konqueror)
[18:19] <Chousuke> anyway, yes, there is a way; there's a Firefox extension that you can change the user agent string with and fool the site.
[18:19] <nsh> semistuf2354 (lord help us) - http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2004/04/24/changinguseragent.html
[18:19] <heinkel_111> semistud2354: if you use konqueror, you can set it up to identify as any other browser, including IE, but that does not autmoatically mean that konqueror will work well with the website. The website may be coded poorly (non standard-compliant) so that it has a lot of errors and standards that only works with IE and fails other browsers
[18:19] <heinkel_111> .. fatally
[18:19] <Daisuke_Ido> if it uses activex, you're pretty much SOL
[18:20] <nsh> or lucky
[18:20] <semistud2354> i see
[18:20] <Chousuke> changing the user agent string throught about:config isn't probably the best solution :/
[18:20] <semistud2354> but what if it just redirects me to a flash video
[18:20] <Chousuke> -t
[18:20] <semistud2354> cuz i mean its just an online class
[18:20] <semistud2354> then i "might be able to pull it off?"
[18:20] <Daisuke_Ido> bah, stoopid wow, stoopid wine
[18:21] <Daisuke_Ido> semistud2354: then you're probably okay
[18:21] <semistud2354> iight well thanx for your help guys
[18:23] <ardchoille> How do I get documents that are opened in kate to appear in Recent Documents (~/.kde/share/apps/RecentDocuments)?
[18:23] <newsense07> !ie4linux
[18:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ie4linux - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:28] <blekos> hello, if from the lilo choose smg like "repair" mode then i am entered to the command prompt, that means theat
[18:29] <blekos> anybody having physical access to my pc can mess it up [by accident]
[18:29] <DRtuxthepenguin> whats the difference bewteen kdesu and sudo
[18:30] <blekos> can i have a pawwd there?
[18:30] <Tm_T> !kdesu > DRtuxthepenguin
[18:32] <DRtuxthepenguin> my brother wants to know is it possible to use nautilus in kde
[18:32] <Tm_T> yes
[18:33] <DRtuxthepenguin> ok
[18:33] <blekos> could you tell me how i can install the xfce window manager?
[18:33] <ardchoille> DRtuxthepenguin: sudo is for cli apps, kdesudo is for gui apps (kdesudo sets up the environment better)
[18:33] <DRtuxthepenguin> is kdesu like gksu
[18:33] <pag> DRtuxthepenguin, I guess it's a good idea to launch nautilus with --no-desktop option
[18:33] <ardchoille> !info xfce-desktop
[18:33] <ubotu> Package xfce-desktop does not exist in gutsy
[18:33] <ardchoille> !info xubuntu-desktop
[18:33] <ubotu> xubuntu-desktop: Xubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 2.50 (gutsy), package size 13 kB, installed size 40 kB
[18:34] <ardchoille> blekos: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[18:34] <Minataku> 懇意痴話!
[18:34] <blekos> is it possible to be only 40k?
[18:35] <Tm_T> blekos: + dependencies
[18:35] <blekos> will xiubuntu-desktop install the dependecies as well?
[18:36] <Tm_T> should
[18:36] <heinkel_111> is this website down: http://www.alsa-project.org ?
[18:36] <Goodgame> hi, qhat's the best between kde and gnome for the new ubuntu version?
[18:36] <ardchoille> blekos: That's one of the benefits of using a package manager
[18:37] <ardchoille> Goodgame: "best" is relative. The "best" thing you can do is try them both and see which works "best" for you
[18:38] <Goodgame> I'd like to know if Kate and Amarok work perfectly on GNOME because I'm really attached to them
[18:38] <Tm_T> Goodgame: should
[18:38] <Tm_T> Goodgame: you can try
[18:38] <ardchoille> Goodgame: kde apps should run well in gnome, and vica-versa
[18:39] <heinkel_111> can you see the alsa website? http://www.alsa-project.org
[18:39] <ardchoille> heinkel_111: Timed out
[18:39] <Goodgame> thx
[18:40] <heinkel_111> thanks ardchoille
[18:40] <ardchoille> yw
[18:43] <Tm_T> Heinkel|afk: noooo
[18:51] <zero> jioin #russian
[18:54] <Mr_Sonoma> anyone know the package for the lacie light scribe labeler software, cant seem to hit the right synaptic search.......
[19:00] <Tm_T> !away > heinkel_111
[19:01] <aziz> does somebody know what I can do, so that I can press more keys simultaneously than only 2 to 3. for example: i can press arrow up, arrow right and any letter key, but I can't press arrow up, arrow left and a third key at the same time. I have a noteboook... is it a hardware limitation?
[19:04] <Tm_T> aziz: prolly yes
[19:05] <Tm_T> heinkel_111: got msg from ubotu?
[19:05] <heinkel_111> yes, but that is not priority at the moment, will fix later
[19:05] <Tm_T> roger
[19:06] <heinkel_111> by the way, i recommend everyone to turn off nick change reporting by default (hi konversation developers!)
[19:06] <heinkel_111> i didn't even think of it as a problem cause i don't show nick change and connects/disconnects
[19:07] <Tm_T> agreed
[19:08] <Tm_T> heinkel_111: I'm not really blaming you about anything, just like to notify this issue
[19:12] <ignoramus> Why is there no icon for executive files?  How do i fix this?  Screenshot---> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=8g3qm8l&s=1
[19:12] <snego_> i just uninstalled zlibc ...
[19:12] <jpatrick> snego_: well done
[19:12] <snego_> and with it, almost everything else :]
[19:13] <ignoramus> *i mean "executable files"
[19:13] <jpatrick> ignoramus: that icon theme does not have an image for it?
[19:14] <ignoramus> jpatrick: no, it definitely did... i installed the theme about a week ago, and just today i noticed there's no icon
[19:14] <snego_> the question is... adept claimed zlibc isnt installed, i installed it and then decided to dump it. result -> half a distro gone :/
[19:14] <ignoramus> jpatrick: should i try a default icon set?
[19:14] <jpatrick> ignoramus: or any other
[19:15] <_abbenormal> hello all
[19:16] <_abbenormal> can i get a daily iso and where can it be found
[19:16] <ignoramus> jpatrick: just tried Crystal SVG (came as default) - no dice :(
[19:16] <jpatrick> ignoramus: odd, no idea then :(
[19:16] <_abbenormal> i just d/l from main site and iso has bad mds checksum wont burn
[19:17] <ignoramus> _abbenormal: are you a bNer?  If not, disregard :)
[19:19] <Tm_T> ignoramus: erm?
[19:20] <Tm_T> snego_: always check changes before applying them
[19:20] <ignoramus> Tm_T: Fixed it!
[19:20] <Tm_T> ignoramus: 2117 < ignoramus> _abbenormal: are you a bNer?  If not, disregard :)
[19:21] <ignoramus> Tm_T: oh, i just recognized the name from an online forum- could be anyone, though:)
[19:21] <Tm_T> ok
[19:21] <snego_> Tm_T: How? The thing is I use Adept not Add/Remove Programs. Because the latter is veryyyyy slow for me. I have no idea why.
[19:21] <blekos> hi i've just installed xubuntu [have kubuntu]
[19:21] <_abbenormal> typical linux guys doesnt matter heads up if there is a problem with the iso you all know now thanks
[19:22] <Tm_T> snego_: both are adept
[19:22] <snego_> yes, i noticed. but add/remove is horribly slow
[19:22] <blekos> is there any benchmark so i can compare the speed of the two managers?
[19:22] <snego_> and it has check changes :>
[19:22] <Tm_T> snego_: both should have
[19:22] <Tm_T> blekos: what managers?
[19:22] <Dresken> Had to re-install Kubuntu, when I try to mount an external NTFS HDD I get an error saying "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000"
[19:23] <Dresken> Any idea how to fix this?
[19:23] <Tm_T> Dresken: have you updated it?
[19:23] <Dresken> Not yet lol :x
[19:23] <Mr_Sonoma> !light scribe
[19:23] <Tm_T> Dresken: exactly
[19:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about light scribe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:23] <blekos> window managers xfce & kde
[19:23]  * Dresken stabs self
[19:24] <Tm_T> blekos: no, there's no benchmark for that purpose, nor there would be much point in that
[19:24] <blekos> y not?
[19:24] <snego_> Tm_T: i m sorry, but for some reason i cant find it... I have apply changes and safe update
[19:24] <snego_> Tm_T: i dont see check changes option
[19:24] <blekos> is it so unlikely that someoney will want to check what's best for its computer?
[19:25] <Tm_T> snego_: interesting, should be, though I don't use those apps
[19:25] <blekos> i can see the xfce is faster, but thre is allways the well know user illusion
[19:25] <Tm_T> blekos: no, problem is, there's no easy way to benchmark
[19:25] <blekos> hmm
[19:25] <snego_> Tm_T: what do you use for package management then?
[19:26] <Tm_T> blekos: for example, KDE has high variety in configurations, so you can make huge difference in speed etc etc
[19:26] <blekos> maybe there is a benchmark for checking my pc speed etc, so if i do that for each manager then i could see if there is any difference
[19:26] <Tm_T> snego_: apt-get
[19:26] <Tm_T> blekos: umm, with default settings?
[19:26] <snego_> Tm_T: fair enough :> but what happens if u dont know the exact name of the package you need? : )
[19:26] <Tm_T> snego_: I have search
[19:27] <blekos> good question
[19:27] <Mr_Sonoma> if i remember right under fiesty there was a package for the lacie lightscribe labeler but i cant seem to find it in the gutsy repos. am i missing a repository, maybe a 3rd party repo or something, i cant remember loading any other 3rd party repos for this.
[19:27] <Tm_T> blekos: I prolly can make my KDE faster than your XFCE
[19:27] <Tm_T> just matter of settings
[19:27] <blekos> how is that?
[19:28] <Tm_T> KDE isn't "fast and light" by default, but there's lots of things you can drop or turn off
[19:28] <blekos> like
[19:28] <snego_> Tm_T: How do you search repositories using apt-get?
[19:28] <snego_> or do you mean Google? : >
[19:28] <blekos> to be honest i dont have any speed problem
[19:28] <Tm_T> snego_: apt-cache search foofoo
[19:28] <blendtux> ! compiz
[19:28] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:28] <snego_> Tm_T: oh, thanks
[19:29] <Tm_T> blekos: me neither, and I do have heavy KDE
[19:29] <blekos> the thing is that i have laptop and I'm thinking if i'm on a trip maybe xfce is less battery consuming
[19:29] <Tm_T> blekos: you might like to see "kpersonalizer"
[19:29] <Mr_Sonoma> why not fluxbox for simplicity and lightweight??
[19:30] <Tm_T> Mr_Sonoma: it's not DE
[19:30] <Tm_T> nor really light
[19:30] <Search4Lancer> anyone know how to remove or drastically reduce the size of the sidebar in amarok?
[19:30] <Tm_T> Search4Lancer: click sidebartab
[19:31] <benpicco_> Hi, I just got 3 kernel panics right after dialing into the internet - how may i find out what´s wrong?
[19:31] <blekos> unfortunately the "laptop module" is unstable and "dangerous"
[19:31] <blekos> what is kpersonilizer
[19:32] <snego_> Tm_T: kubuntu installation finished! <3 livecd. thanks for your help
[19:32] <Tm_T> blekos: fast tool to change KDE settings, bit warning though, it might change stuff you don't inted to first, but don't worry systemsettings is there
[19:32] <blekos> so i just install kpersonilizer?
[19:33] <benpicco_> any ideas which logfile i should look for?
[19:33] <Tm_T> blekos: you should have it already I believe
[19:33] <Tm_T> benpicco_: something kernel related that is, dunno more
[19:41] <ezra_> kubuntu won't recognize my external harddrive, how do I fix that?
[19:41] <benpicco_> is it an usb drive?
[19:42] <nosrednaekim> ezra_: is it NTFS?
[19:42] <benpicco_> what is dmesg telling you?
[19:42] <ezra_> dmesg?
[19:42] <ezra_> sorry I just installed linux
[19:42] <Tm_T> blekos: wup?
[19:43] <benpicco_> ezra_: type it in the terminal
[19:43] <FroggyTheGreat> Does this work for Gutsy?  http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-ubuntukubuntuedubuntuxubuntu-without-cdrom-drive.html
[19:43] <benpicco_> ezra_: paste dmesg | tail
[19:43] <benpicco_> !paste
[19:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:44] <ezra_> !compiz
[19:44] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[19:44] <FroggyTheGreat> !grub
[19:44] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[19:44] <ezra_> !dmesg
[19:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dmesg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:45] <benpicco_> ezra_: try man dmesg ;)
[19:45] <ezra_> it sees it...
[19:46] <Gimlet> N'Abend!
[19:46] <benpicco_> moin Gimlet
[19:46] <benpicco_> ezra_: what exactly does it tell you?
[19:46] <newsense07> im running kubuntu gutsy and have always seen my windows drive in storage media but all of a sudden its not showing up
[19:47] <FroggyTheGreat> To install Grub, can I just copy the /boot dir off the livecd and then modify the menu.lst accordingly?
[19:47] <muskogeerabbit> Anyone here running Kontact and having problems. Mine takes a loooong time to start up, periodically goes into a "won't do anything mode" and sometimes just crashes. Is this typical?
[19:47] <nosrednaekim> muskogeerabbit: what do you use kontact for?
[19:47] <benpicco_> FroggyTheGreat: grub needs to be wrirtten in the mbr
[19:47] <nosrednaekim> newsense07: try the disks and filesystems manager
[19:47] <ezra_> it says device scan complete among other stuff
[19:48] <benpicco_> ezra_: just copy the other stuff in the pastebin ;)
[19:48] <newsense07> nosrednaekim: will give it a try
[19:48] <muskogeerabbit> I use it as the summary page for kmail etc.
[19:48] <FroggyTheGreat> Using the livecd, is there an easy way to install grub then?
[19:48] <FroggyTheGreat> My livecd is corrupted and I'm trying a different way of doing this.
[19:49] <benpicco_> FroggyTheGreat: you can do it with grub-install
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> newsense07: system settings-> advanced-> disks and filesystems
[19:49] <ezra_> where is the paste bin?
[19:49] <benpicco_> !paste
[19:49] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> muskogeerabbit: if you just use it for kmail, you can run kmail standalone
[19:49] <ezra_> !paste
[19:49] <ezra_> ok
[19:50] <ezra_> !paste
[19:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:50] <ezra_> usb 5-6: USB disconnect, address 4
[19:50] <ezra_> [  420.796000] usb 5-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
[19:50] <ezra_> [  420.928000] usb 5-6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[19:50] <ezra_> [  420.928000] scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[19:50] <ezra_> [  420.928000] usb-storage: device found at 5
[19:50] <ezra_> [  420.928000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[19:50] <ezra_> [  425.928000] usb-storage: device scan complete
[19:50] <ezra_> [  425.928000] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access     WD       1600BEVExternal  1.02 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0
[19:50] <newsense07> nosrednaekim: cool thanks looks like that partition was disabled for some reason im gonna try reenabling it
[19:50] <Tm_T> ezra_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:51] <Tm_T> ezra_: read that, twice
[19:51] <muskogeerabbit> If I didn't want the summary page of Mail, Contacts, ToDo list, Journal, and notes, I would have stayed with Evolution.
[19:52] <benpicco_> ezra_: there is nothing beneath? (pastebin is ment to be used to copy text to it)
[19:52] <ezra_> can i start over?
[19:53] <ezra_> there is so much stuff i don't know what to paste
[19:53] <benpicco_> ezra_: then yust paste everything ;)
[19:53] <benpicco_> BUT NOT HERE!
[19:53] <ezra_> ok
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> muskogeerabbit: ah well, evolution has that.... right?
[19:54] <ezra_> ok i posted it
[19:54] <benpicco_> then you need to tell us the url
[19:54] <ezra_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44934/
[19:55] <muskogeerabbit> No, Evolution does not have a summary page.
[19:55] <BenjaminD> i have added a smbfs mount to my fstab, and mount -a to rc.local so my network drive mounts on startup. it mounts to /media/server..   however no icon shows on the desktop.. how can i make this happen?
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> muskogeerabbit: ah.... well kontact ALWAYS freezes?
[19:56] <nosrednaekim> start it from a konsole and see what it says.
[19:56] <Tm_T> muskogeerabbit: install kdepim-dbg first
[19:56] <Tm_T> then run from konsole
[19:56] <benpicco_> ezra_: can you already acces it at /media/sdc
[19:57] <benpicco_> ?
[19:57] <ezra_> whats that?
[19:57] <benpicco_> ezra_: a folder
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> BenjaminD: configure desktop-> icons
[19:58] <ezra_> no
[19:58] <BenjaminD> yes
[19:58] <benpicco_> ezra_: if you use konqueror or dolphin and navigate to /media, is the external drive already there?
[19:58] <muskogeerabbit> I assume that is a debug package?
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> did you mark all desktop icons enabled?
[19:58] <BenjaminD> a link for it pops up when i insert a cd (along with the cd icon), but that link (remote share) doesnt allow me to view the contents(permissions denied)
[19:58] <ezra_> konqueror
[19:59] <BenjaminD> however i can cmd prompt to the folder
[19:59] <benpicco_> ezra_: just choose what you like most
[19:59] <benpicco_> ezra_: anyway, is there some kind of sdc in /media?
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> BenjaminD: you need to mount it with users permissions.
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> !mount
[19:59] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[20:00] <ezra_> i see cdrom and sda1
[20:00] <Tm_T> muskogeerabbit: yes
[20:00] <benpicco_> ezra_: ok, is there already a filesystem on the drive?
[20:00] <ezra_> on sda1?
[20:00] <Tm_T> yes
[20:01] <benpicco_> ezra_: no, on the external drive
[20:01] <ezra_> i don't even see the external drive
[20:01] <benpicco_> ezra_: no, i mean if you used it before or just bought it
[20:02] <ezra_> o, i've used it before
[20:02] <ezra_> i store pics and stuff on it
[20:02] <benpicco_> ezra_: ok, than try the following:
[20:02] <benpicco_> craete a new directory in /media using sudo mkdir /media/sdc
[20:02] <benpicco_> *craete
[20:02] <benpicco_> *create
[20:03] <blekos> how do i run kpersonilizer
[20:03] <benpicco_> ezra_: then mount it using sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/sdc
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> blekos: "kpersonalizer"
[20:03] <ezra_> how do i even create one?
[20:04] <benpicco_> ezra_: a directory?
[20:04] <Tm_T> benpicco_: hit alt+f2
[20:04] <ezra_> ya
[20:04] <blekos> i get command not found
[20:04] <Tm_T> blekos: I mean
[20:04] <Tm_T> blekos: then install it?
[20:04] <benpicco_> ezra_: by mkdir
[20:04] <nosrednaekim> blekos: you installed it?
[20:04] <blekos> lol
[20:04] <blekos> doing it right now :)
[20:04] <benpicco_> ezra_: you need to do this as root becaurse only root can create stuff in /media
[20:04] <Tm_T> yay
[20:05] <ezra_> ok
[20:05] <benpicco_> ezra_: this you do by sudo (do something as superuser= root)
[20:05] <el_taco> how can I setup apt to use a socks proxy
[20:06] <ezra_> so i type "sudo then what? i'm pretty lost
[20:06] <benpicco_> ezra_: sudo mkdir /media/sdc to create a dir in /media called sdc
[20:06] <ardchoille> ezra_: What are you trying to do? What command?
[20:07] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[20:07] <benpicco_> ezra_: but you can call it however you want
[20:07] <ezra_> ok
[20:08] <ardchoille> ezra_: that directory "/media/sdc" will be your mount point.. you'll use that to mount the device
[20:08] <ezra_> ok
[20:09] <benpicco_> ezra_: to mount the first partition on sdc (which is represented by /dev/sdc1) you can type sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/sdc now
[20:10] <ezra_> every time i type stuff in the command slot and push run it just goes away
[20:10] <ardchoille> ezra_: You're typing all of this into a terminal right?
[20:11] <ezra_> no
[20:11] <ardchoille> You should be
[20:11] <ezra_> i'll do that then
[20:11] <benpicco_> ezra_: but you can't read the messages of the commads when you're not using a terminal
[20:12] <ezra_> ok, i tried sudo mkdir /media/sdc and it won't let me type my password
[20:12] <benpicco_> ezra_: where have you typed it?
[20:13] <ezra_> in the terminal, it says "password for ezra:" and it wont let me type
[20:13] <ardchoille> ezra_: it accepts the password, it just doesn't print it out. That's a safety feature to defaet someone who may be looking over your shoulder
[20:13] <ardchoille> The devs should replace that with asterisks so people aren't confused.
[20:14] <benpicco_> ardchoille: but then someone could get out the length of the password ;)
[20:14] <Tm_T> yup
[20:14] <ardchoille> benpicco_: not if you do 2 asterisks on every other letter
[20:15] <Tm_T> ardchoille: that just confuse more I afraid :-P
[20:15] <ardchoille> benpicco_: my password is 16 chars, good luck figuring that out :)
[20:15] <ardchoille> Tm_T: At least a new user would think it's actually working
[20:16] <ezra_> ok i think i created it
[20:16] <Tm_T> ardchoille: randomly color changing cursor!
[20:16]  * Tm_T hides
[20:16] <ardchoille> hehe
[20:16] <benpicco_> ezra_: you mean you´ve mounted it?
[20:16] <benpicco_> Tm_T: i want a 3d shell, like in hackers ^^
[20:16] <ardchoille> ezra_: you can test that with:  ls /media/sdc
[20:16] <ezra_> no, what was the command again o mount it?
[20:16] <Tm_T> benpicco_: then code one
[20:16]  * Tm_T goes ->
[20:17] <benpicco_> Tm_T: using aalib?
[20:17] <benpicco_> ezra_: sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/sdc
[20:17] <ezra_> it says sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/sdc
[20:18] <ezra_> sorry
[20:18] <ezra_> you must specify the filesystem type
[20:18] <ardchoille> ezra_: Do you know the file system?
[20:18] <benpicco_> ezra_: oh, what happens when you type to /dev/sdc and then press tab?
[20:18] <ardchoille> Is this a Windows drive/device? vfat? ntfs?
[20:19] <benpicco_> ezra_: what is ls /dev/sdc* telling you?
[20:19] <ezra_> ls /dev/sdc*
[20:20] <ezra_> nothin
[20:20] <ezra_> its a WD passport
[20:20] <pulaski> hello, I'm want to set up the java6 SDK/eclipse on my new kubuntu gutsy.  I found a comprehensive ubuntu forum article on the process for edgy that uses the Sun third party sdk-6u3-i386.bin.  Adept shows the only java package installed is java-common.  Can anyone suggest a comprehensive howto or other forum for gutsy or some other resource that doesn't use third party software but limits the java environment to kubuntu packages?
[20:20] <benpicco_> erm, you typed it in the terminal, right?
[20:21] <ezra_> typed what command?
[20:21] <ardchoille> benpicco_: It wasn't mounted because he didn't specify the file system
[20:21] <benpicco_> ardchoille: normaly mount should find it out on it´s own
[20:21] <ardchoille> benpicco_: Doesn't always work that way
[20:22] <BenjaminD> ok. Have added smbfs mount to my fstab. Mounts to /media/server. Icon shows up on desktop but does not show the contents of my servers folder. However going directly to /media/server does...
[20:22] <BenjaminD> When i tried to use SYSTEM SETTINGS-ADVANCED-Disk Management. When i selected Windows Network, and press SCAN, it crashes every time
[20:22] <BenjaminD> im sure its a bug
[20:23] <ezra_> i think i'm gonna give up, i appreciate your help though
[20:24] <BenjaminD> so i can access smb mount point going to /media/server. but i can not access when i go to STORAGE MEDIA.
[20:28]  * genii sips a coffee
[20:31] <ardchoille> hi genii
[20:31] <BenjaminD> can someone tell me why i can access my smb share via /media/server, but not when i click on the Desktop icon, or go through dolphin-Storage Media. (permission errors).. I can not setup the share via KDE Advanced Disk mounting. (crashes when press SCAN on windows file sharing)
[20:32] <genii> ardchoille: Heya :)
[20:32] <batusai> hola mundo
[20:32] <jussi01> does anyone know how to make konversation start minimised(in systray)?
[20:32] <jussi01> BenjaminD: o update, samba has issues
[20:33] <jussi01> !sambabug
[20:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sambabug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:33] <BenjaminD> sudo apt-get update?
[20:33] <jussi01> BenjaminD: yeah, or through adept
[20:33] <ardchoille> Anyone looking for a themable clock for kicker (to perhaps replace the default clock applet), check out styleclock. It's in the repos.
[20:33] <aceler> jussi01: try #kde :)
[20:33] <jussi01> aceler: hahahahahah
[20:34] <aceler> OK. try bugs.kde.org
[20:34] <genii> There is a way to start apps minimised but offhand I dunno the way.
[20:35] <aceler> genii: of course you can setup it with kwin
[20:36] <BenjaminD> can anyone else try DISK & FILESYSTEMS,  ADMIN MODE, NEW, TYPE = Windows File Sharing, THEN SCAN ?
[20:45] <jmichaelx> does anyone know what the OOo channel is called?
[20:46] <GrahamA> Would anybody know why Adept Manager is wanting me to do a version upgrade on Gutsy?
[20:46] <LjL> there was a little bug about that, but i thought it'd have been fixed by now
[20:47] <GrahamA> I'll update.
[20:47] <jmichaelx> GrahamA: some upgrades require that, it's no big deal, just do it
[20:47] <GrahamA> No it's just I've got like... 3 problems off the top of my head.
[20:47] <Gimlet> Ok, linux gurus, I've the following problem, perhaps you've a clue: I upgraded to kubuntu 7.10 and now none of my hds will mount except the partition the os is on.
[20:47] <Gimlet>  I tried to look up "Disk & Filesystem" in the system settings, but it tells me, that this module cannot be found.
[20:49] <GrahamA> Gimlet: I'm assuming you've tried mount on the command line?
[20:49] <jmichaelx> Gimlet: i had that issue on the PC i am using right now. i wound of doing a fresh install because of that problem. i had not done a frsh install on this machine since breezy
[20:49] <markux> #sexo
[20:49] <Gimlet> GrahamA: I did
[20:49] <markux> HELLO PEOPLE
[20:49] <BenjaminD> Disk & Filesystem and then try to add a Windows File Share through that. I think its  abug
[20:49] <Gimlet> jmichaelx: :-(
[20:50] <jmichaelx> Gimlet: had you used automatix?
[20:50] <GrahamA> Gimlet: Do you have any other OSes on the PC?
[20:50] <Gimlet> GrahamA: Yes, Win2k
[20:50] <GrahamA> That works?
[20:51] <GrahamA> They haven't been renamed by accident have they?
[20:51] <Gimlet> jmichaelx: I used the build-in version updater of kubuntu
[20:51] <GrahamA> Once, I think Feisty, though my harddrives were sda instead of hda
[20:51] <markux> alguien espñol
[20:51] <markux> ?
[20:51] <markux> ¿?
[20:52] <Gimlet> They're all "sdx", but fstab uses the UUID
[20:53] <BenjaminD> If i can access my mounted server through /media/server, how come i can not access through Dolpihin - Storage Media ?  (permission error)
[20:53] <GrahamA> Gimlet: You can mount them with /dev/sdx
[20:54] <GrahamA> Gimlet: What it might be, to get the module for control center, have you got kubuntu-desktop installed?
[20:54] <GrahamA> Brb fire
[20:56] <Gimlet> GrahamA: kubuntu-desktop is installed
[20:56] <GrahamA> Haven't the foggiest
[20:56] <GrahamA> Have you trried fdisk?
[20:57] <Gimlet> GrahamA: Yes
[20:57] <GrahamA> I don't think I can help you much, sorry.
[20:57] <Gimlet> GrahamA: Thank you for trying
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: whats the problem?
[20:58] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: After upgrading to kubuntu 7.10, I cannot mount my disks
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: any of them? what format type..
[20:59] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Most of them FAT32
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: can you mount them from the command line?
[21:00] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Nope, it says, they're already mounted
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: do a "mount"
[21:00] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I did
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> and see where it says they are mounted
[21:01] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: But they aren't mounted
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: odd....
[21:01] <GrahamA> Problem number 2: Kopete crashes when I try to sign into my MSN account...
[21:02] <nosrednaekim> GrahamA: run all system updates
[21:02] <ardchoille> GrahamA: That kopete bug was fixed
[21:02] <GrahamA> Seems to answer everything... I hope...
[21:03] <GrahamA> Ah ha! Great success!
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: take a look in systemsettings->advanced->disks and partitions.
[21:03] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Odd indeed; when I try to get in the Disk & Filesystems module in the system settings, it says, that the module cannot be found!
[21:03] <nosrednaekim> GrahamA: that was a problem with the kde libs in the liveCD
[21:04] <GrahamA> We're doing good! 2 problems fixed.
[21:05] <mrtimbo> I installed kernel 2.6.23.1 how to i uninstall it?
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: ouch.... did you run all system updates?
[21:05] <ubuzztu> so i just in stalled kubuntu and would like to install kdevelop, but i don't see it in add/remove programs
[21:05] <mrtimbo> so i only have the old one
[21:06] <GrahamA> ubuzztu: Use Adept Manager, it's in ther
[21:06] <GrahamA> there*
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> ubuzztu: use adept_manager
[21:06] <ubuzztu> i don't see it...
[21:06] <GrahamA> I think there's a 4th but I can't remember, either way 3rd is, unless the update fixed it too... sound seems to blip... sort of like skipping... sounds like every now and then a small peddble hits the cone... but it seems to just be with Xine and some of my games. Mplayer never had that problem unless it was a problem with everything except mplayer.
[21:07] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I think so. I there a way to repeat the whole updating process?
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[21:07] <mrtimbo> any ideas?
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> mrtimbo: how did you install it?
[21:08] <GrahamA> It's bugged me since I got this motherbaord that according to lspci has a built in "Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce3 250Gb AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a1)"
[21:08] <debian> Kubuntu killed windows. How to fix?
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> GrahamA: make the sound buffer higher.
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> debian: how did it kill windows.
[21:08] <mrtimbo> i compiled a new kernel via make xconfig
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> mrtimbo: oh... umm you can remove the entry from the /boot/grub.menu.lst
[21:09] <debian> when windows boots it says unmountabole boot voulme or something
[21:09] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: It just says, that everything is up-to-date
[21:09] <mrtimbo> i didnt compile right or something cause i cant open my mmc cards or webcam with new kernel
[21:10] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: run "kdesudo mountconfig"
[21:10] <mrtimbo> or external hard drives
[21:11] <BenjaminD> FIXED my STORAGE MEDIA problem. Changed fstab to cifs instead of smbfs
[21:11] <BenjaminD> :)
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> BenjaminD: cool
[21:11] <debian> How do I make sure a partition is unomnted?
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> run "mount:
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> "mount"
[21:12] <debian> fuck its mounted
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> debian: for windows problems, go to #windows
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[21:12] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:12] <debian> How to unmount?
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> "sudo mount<where it is mounted>"
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> ooops
[21:13] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: It doesn't work, it gives only exceptions and errors back
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> "sudo umount <where it is mounted>"
[21:13] <debian> debian is not in the sudoers file
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: yech
[21:13] <mrtimbo> has anyone else compiled a kernel in here before that can give me some pointers
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> debian: log into your original account.
[21:13] <debian> It is it
[21:13] <crimsun> mrtimbo: well, what do you need in a newer kernel than what gutsy ships?
[21:13] <bobishh> man mount
[21:13] <bobishh> reading is good
[21:14] <mrtimbo> nothing, just wanted a faster system, but now since its not right i just want to unistall what i did
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> debian: then you must have really messed up your system if you aren't in the sudoers file.
[21:14] <mrtimbo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311158 is what i did
[21:14] <debian> No, kinda doesnt have kubuntu but debian with kde. but that is pretty much the same
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: sounds like you may have a messed up upgrade
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> debian: kinda, but there are some fundamental differences, #debain might be able to help you better
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> #debian
[21:15] <GrahamA> Gimlet: Do you have a Gutsy liveCD?
[21:15] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I think you're right and I really do not like it
[21:16] <Gimlet> GrahamA: No, I haven't
[21:16] <bobishh> mathcore is great
[21:16] <GrahamA> Download one, see if it can see your hard drives.
[21:17] <Gimlet> GrahamA: This could be a problem, since I have no cd drive
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> GrahamA: do you have a usbstick?
[21:19] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: ^^
[21:19] <ardchoille> OMG! I just discovered "Presentation moce" (ctrl+shift+p) in kpdf
[21:20] <ardchoille> s/moce/mode/
[21:20] <nosrednaekim> :D
[21:20] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I've an iPod nano
[21:21] <blendtux> !compiz
[21:21] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:22] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I can borrow an usb stick, if the iPod doesn't do the trick
[21:22] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: lol... err, lets not try that :D
[21:22] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Why not? The iPod runs linux very well :-)
[21:23] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: you have linux running on ti?
[21:23] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Yeah, I don't like the original firmware
[21:24] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Got it from ipodlinux.org, doesn't work on every iPod though
[21:24] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: haha, well, still thats not getting us anywhere unless you make a partition on it and boot the livecd from that.
[21:25] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Borrowing an usb stick won't be any problem, but I'm not sure, whether my bios will allow booting from an usb stick
[21:26] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: But it's worth a try
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: you can check.
[21:26] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: if you have windows on there, you can do a Wubi install as well.
[21:27] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: What's Wubi? I've a windows partition (Win2k)
[21:29] <NickPresta> !wubi | Gimlet
[21:29] <ubotu> Gimlet: wubi is an unofficial Ubuntu installer for Windows users - more info is at http://www.cutlersoftware.com/ubuntusetup/wubi/en-US/index.html
[21:29] <nosrednaekim> !wubi
[21:30] <Gimlet> NickPresta, nosrednaekim: Ah, I see, thank you
[21:30] <Xeross> I need help
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> Xeross: ask away
[21:30] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: I'll try that
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: needs a good 5 gigs though
[21:30] <Xeross> grub wont work
[21:30] <Xeross> it points to correct hdd and partition
[21:30] <ubuzztu> anyways i found kevelop , why does it want the cd to install it?
[21:30] <nosrednaekim> !grub
[21:30] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:30] <Xeross> sais it cant mount
[21:31] <nosrednaekim> ubuzztu: get rid of the cdrom from the repository list
[21:31] <ubuzztu> ok
[21:32] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: 5 GB shouldn't be the problem. If it doesn't work, I'll be back!
[21:33] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: i'll probably not be around.
[21:33] <guba> EHLO всем
[21:33] <ardchoille> !ru
[21:33] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[21:33] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Hehe, you can't be around all the time, but I'll probably find some good soul willing to help me.
[21:34] <guba> thnx
[21:34] <ardchoille> yw
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> Gimlet: :D
[21:34] <bobleny> Hi! I have a question real quick... I created a file called “foo” in my /home/bob/ directory. I then used chmod to remove user privileges. The output of ls -l "/home/bob/foo/”, is this: ---------- 1 root root 5368709120 2007-04-22 17:52 /home/bob/. Now, if I have no privileges to this file, why is it that I can still delete it?
[21:34] <Gimlet> nosrednaekim: Bye and thanks!
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> bobleny: you can delete it as a normal user?
[21:34] <bobleny> Yeah.
[21:35] <nosrednaekim> hmmm
[21:35] <ardchoille> bobleny: root can do anything
[21:35] <Dr_willis>  rm foo
[21:35] <Dr_willis> rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `foo'?
[21:35] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: look at the owner, I think he created it as root
[21:35] <Dr_willis> in my case foo was owned by me.. right. :)
[21:36] <Dr_willis> a user shouldent be able to do anything to a file owned by root
[21:36] <guba> are you shure you try to delete it as normal user?
[21:36] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I can delete it as a normal user also.
[21:36] <mehmet> kubuntu7.10 bed
[21:36] <guba> hmm
[21:36] <crimsun> Dr_willis: well, you should be able to execute it ;)
[21:37] <Xeross> well
[21:37] <Dr_willis> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-11-17 16:36 foo   rm: remove write-protected regular empty file `foo'? y
[21:37] <Dr_willis>  
[21:37] <guba> one minute, i want to try )
[21:37] <Xeross> stil waitin for answer
[21:37] <nosrednaekim> !grub | Xeross
[21:37] <ubotu> Xeross: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[21:37] <Xeross> k
[21:37] <ardchoille> That's messed up
[21:38] <ardchoille> sudo touch testfile  and I can delete it without sudo
[21:38] <bobleny> Yeah!
[21:38] <bobleny> Why?
[21:38] <ardchoille> bobleny: No idea, it's weird
[21:38] <Dr_willis> Perhaps because its an empty file?
[21:38] <guba> no
[21:38] <Dr_willis> and in the users home dir?
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> maybe because you own that directory?
[21:39] <guba> it's not a reason
[21:39] <Mr_Sonoma> but the file should be owned by root at that point
[21:39] <[ka]killer> ok im having a big problem here
[21:39] <[ka]killer> well not really the computer is working but im stuck in 640x480
[21:39] <Dr_willis>  sudo echo FOOOOOOOOOOOO > foo222 , makes a file owned by a user.. Hmm
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> bobleny: very interesting problem!
[21:39] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: works with "echo "hi" | sudo tee -a testfile" too
[21:39] <[ka]killer> ;_; everything is to big!
[21:39] <Xeross> answer isnt there
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> [ka]killer:" sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[21:40] <[ka]killer> o hell no
[21:40] <[ka]killer> o hell fing no
[21:40] <[ka]killer> last time i did that
[21:40] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: redirection with sudo shouldn't work that way
[21:40] <[ka]killer> X died completly
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> [ka]killer: erm.... try system settings->monitor?
[21:40] <[ka]killer> tried that T_T
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> Xeross: it can't mount the root FS?
[21:41] <bobleny> Yeah, I don't get it, I can't do anything to the file, except rename it and delete it.
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> have o go all!
[21:41] <ardchoille> lol
[21:41] <ardchoille> bobleny: Does that work in your home dir as well as the rest of the system? I'm hoping not
[21:41] <ezra_> when I use the mount command what's the -t <type> for fat32?
[21:41] <bobleny> Nope, I can move it too...
[21:41] <Dr_willis> -t vfat
[21:41] <ardchoille> ezra_: vfat
[21:42] <Xeross> it just says
[21:42] <ezra_> thanks ardchoille
[21:42] <Xeross> error 17
[21:42] <Xeross> cannot mount selected partition
[21:43] <ezra_> woa
[21:43] <ezra_> ardchoille
[21:43] <Norty> I just did a long-overdue update to a 6.06 system. Now the printer doesn't work, and cups won't let me reinstall it. Help, please?
[21:43] <bky> how does one start the C/C++ part of eclipse? i installed it but it only is giving me java
[21:43] <ezra_> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc
[21:43] <crimsun> bky: did you install eclipse-cdt?
[21:43] <ezra_> missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[21:43] <bky> yes
[21:43] <Dr_willis> ezra_,  wjats the complete command you are using.
[21:43] <ezra_> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[21:43] <crimsun> bky: so just create a new C/C++ project, and go from there
[21:44] <Dr_willis>  a hard drive will be like sdc1 not sdc
[21:44] <ezra_> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdc /media/sdc
[21:44] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: sudo echo FOOOOOOOOOOOO > foo222 <-- that worked because you own your home dir, sudo doesn't handle ">" redirection. performing that command on a system dir would fail because you don't have write perms to the system dir.
[21:44] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  oh. :) I knew that... well... sort of.. :)
[21:45] <kaminix> How do I make KWord count words?
[21:45] <Norty> ezra, I think you need to put in "sdc1", not just "sdc"
[21:45] <bky> al i figured it out. thanks. :P
[21:45] <Norty> where "1" is the partition number
[21:45] <ezra_> norty: will try
[21:45] <ardchoille> ezra_: /dev/sdc is the device, /dev/sdc1 is the file system on that device. You don't mount devices, you mount file systems.. no file system, and the mount will fail.
[21:45] <[ka]killer> well i reconfigured xserv
[21:46] <[ka]killer> wish me luck T_T
[21:46] <NickPresta> kaminix, it's somewhere in the file menu. Page properties or something similar
[21:46] <ezra_> Norty: it worked thank you
[21:46] <Norty> awesome
[21:46] <ardchoille> ezra_: Or, more accurately, /dev/sdc1 is the first partition on /dev/sdc
[21:47] <ezra_> ardchoille: it's the only partition on /dev/sdc
[21:48] <ardchoille> ok
[21:48] <Norty> I just updated a 6.06 machine, and now cups doesn't work. How do I fix it?
[21:48] <bobleny> ardchoille, what does the "d" mean in the permissions? I have d--------
[21:48] <Dr_willis> directory?
[21:49] <Norty> I can't reinstall the printer -- usb isn't shown as an option
[21:49] <ardchoille> bobleny: directory
[21:49] <bobleny> ardchoille, can I remove it as a permission?
[21:50] <ardchoille> bobleny: You can't remove the "d", no
[21:51] <ardchoille> bobleny: But, if you remove the "x" from a dir, the you won't be able to ls it
[21:51] <Mr_Sonoma> anyone know of a package name for a lightscribe labeler program, like lacie? i could have sworn that lacie lightscribe labeler was in fiesty's repo but cant seem to find it with apt-cache or synaptic in gutsy. am i missing a repository entry or am i just forced to use alien to convert the rpms?
[21:51] <bobleny> ardchoille, No need to do that is there?
[21:51] <ardchoille> This is why "chmod -R u-x" is a bad thing
[21:51] <[ka]killer> well
[21:52] <[ka]killer> i told you reconfiguring xserv was going to f it up
[21:52] <[ka]killer> i tried reverting to a backed up xorg and it still does not work
[21:52] <bobleny> ardchoille, what is -R? in that command?
[21:52] <[ka]killer> kinit: NO resume image, doing normal boot...
[21:52] <helfrez> recursive
[21:52] <ardchoille> bobleny: recursive
[21:53] <[ka]killer> wtf is up with my xserv
[21:53] <wols_> what videocard, what driver?
[21:53] <ardchoille> bobleny: Some folks try that to remove execute  from scripts in a dir and then find they can no longer enter the dir, and that's why
[21:53] <[ka]killer> nvidia driver, nvidia geforce4 GO 32m
[21:54] <wols_> check your Xorg logs
[21:54] <bobleny> ardchoille, so, chmod -R u-x is different from chmod u-x?
[21:54] <[ka]killer> wols_, its been working fine, just after i went over a friends to work on a project, i came home turned it on and it was stuck in 640x480
[21:54] <ardchoille> bobleny: yes, because chmod -R performs the action on all directories too
[21:54] <[ka]killer> where are the logs... its been a while
[21:54] <martijn81> what is the best dvd-rip software of the moment for qt?
[21:54] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: /var/log
[21:55] <bobleny> ardchoille, like sub directorys?
[21:55] <ardchoille> bobleny: yes
[21:55] <[ka]killer> and which one do i want to look at
[21:55] <bobleny> ardchoille, but only current directorys?
[21:55] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[21:55] <[ka]killer> whats the comand to read it ... ive only viewed logs when x was working before
[21:56]  * [ka]killer is not used to the text interface
[21:56] <ardchoille> bobleny: no, chmod -R performs the action on the directory you are in as well as all subs
[21:56] <ardchoille> [ka]killer: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[21:56] <ekrengel> does anyone have 8.42.3 installed on fiesty?
[21:56] <ardchoille> ekrengel: And that is the version of what?
[21:57] <[ka]killer> what am i looking for in here
[21:57] <wols_> ardchoille: fglrx. he thinks you're psychic
[21:57] <ekrengel> ardchoille: the newest ati driver
[21:57] <ardchoille> wols_: lol
[21:57] <ekrengel> wols_: : )
[21:57] <wols_> [ka]killer: all of it. you paste it so people who do understand what they see can look at it
[21:57] <[ka]killer> um... how the hell am i suposed to do that
[21:58] <martijn81> what is the best dvd-rip software of the moment for Qt? (aka is there even one??)
[21:58] <[ka]killer> its not on this computer >_<
[21:58] <ardchoille> martijn81: k9copy has worked great for me
[21:58] <wols_> [ka]killer: does the computer in question have internet access?
[21:58] <[ka]killer> it should
[21:58] <bobleny> ardchoille, OK, thank you very much, I cannot delete foo from the /home/ directorry.   I only want to do this for a truecrypt volume anyways. In theroy, since I am not writting to the directory, even though I have no privleges I can still use it....
[21:58] <wols_> [ka]killer: then why are you asking?
[21:58] <martijn81> ardchoille: does it do ogm?
[21:59] <[ka]killer> um.... i tinnk i foudn the error
[21:59] <ardchoille> martijn81: Never tried, don't know what .ogm is
[21:59] <[ka]killer> "fatal server error: no screens found"
[21:59] <martijn81> ardchoille: ogg media
[21:59] <wols_> [ka]killer: wrong
[21:59] <squirrel> i was trying to install KVM. I used synaptic package manager. Installation completed but I could not find where it installed and how should I run it. Second, I seem to have lost sound configuration now. How should I get the sound back?
[21:59] <[ka]killer> im going to try reconfiguring xserver one more time
[22:00] <wols_> squirrel: dpkg -L <package> and you will know
[22:00] <wols_> as for the sound: more data needed
[22:00] <squirrel> what data would you need?
[22:01] <wols_> more information
[22:01] <Norty> Help, please. My add printer wizard doesn't show USB as an option.
[22:01] <wols_> google "smart questions"
[22:01] <squirrel> sound card is there but seems like library got mixed up or something by kvm
[22:02] <Norty> squirrel: check mixer settings. That's what I check first.
[22:02] <jean-philippe> Hello
[22:02] <[ka]killer> got it
[22:02] <[ka]killer> i/ll be back
[22:02] <Norty> squirell: look for something that's muted or slider at the bottom.
[22:02] <squirrel> I get this error: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found
[22:03] <Norty> squirrel: uh... got me... try putting GStreamer into your package manager?
[22:03] <squirrel> I don't know what kvm installed with it
[22:04] <[ka]killer> ok
[22:04] <squirrel> but I had allowed it to install dependencies
[22:04] <[ka]killer> now i have somethign else thats been bothering me but not really a problem
[22:04] <squirrel> how do put GStreamer?
[22:04] <wols_> squirrel:  /var/log/dpkg.log*
[22:04] <[ka]killer> with the system tray it varies from being 2 lines to being 1 line
[22:05] <[ka]killer> how can i set it so there are always 2 lines of icons?
[22:06] <[ka]killer> ok... if no one knows about that, what about xine?
[22:07] <Norty> squirrel: K- menu -> system -> adept. you follow?
[22:08] <Norty> wait, nevermind.
[22:08] <squirrel> ok let me try. looking at dpkg.log. I don't seem to notice any log closely related to sound
[22:08] <squirrel> or I don't know by the name of applications
[22:09] <Norty> squirrel: look for "ALSA"
[22:09] <ubuntu> buenas
[22:09] <squirrel> I opened adept but it says I con't modify anything without running as root
[22:09] <[ka]killer> i guess no one else is having problems with xine?
[22:10] <squirrel> i see alsa-base installed
[22:10] <squirrel> and alsa-utils also is installed
[22:10] <Norty> squirrel: that's good. I hope.
[22:10] <squirrel> but there are many other alsa packages not installed
[22:11] <squirrel> in console, whey I hit backspace too much. it beeps but can't seem get sound work in desktop
[22:11] <Norty> squirrel: mine works fine with few installed. Do you see GStreamer0.<whateve>-alsa installed?
[22:12] <Roey> HI
[22:12] <[ka]killer> can anyone help me with xine?
[22:12] <Roey> how can I find out which app is blaring that stupid rap song?  I wnat to find its PID.  I tried fuser -v /dev/dsp but it doesn't list anything
[22:12] <squirrel> gstreamer0.10-alsa is installed
[22:12] <[ka]killer> roey: mute it/
[22:12] <[ka]killer> ?
[22:12] <Roey> mute what
[22:12] <[ka]killer> trhe volume
[22:12] <Roey> I want to play something else
[22:12] <[ka]killer> o
[22:12] <[ka]killer> is amarok running?
[22:13] <Roey> yes
[22:13] <Norty> squirrel: how about libasound2 and linux-sound-base (i'm just working down my own list)
[22:13] <[ka]killer> have you checked that?
[22:13] <pacman> I downloaded sysinfo, and was wondering what the "L2 cache" means
[22:13] <Roey> [ka]killer:  yes, I just closed it and it keeps going
[22:13] <Roey> er
[22:13] <[ka]killer> er
[22:13] <[ka]killer> try closing it not minimizing it to tray?
[22:13] <Roey> "I closed Amarok just now, yet the music keeps playing"
[22:13] <squirrel> libasound2 is installed
[22:13] <Roey> right, I did that.
[22:13] <[ka]killer> ok
[22:13] <[ka]killer> what do you have running?
[22:14] <squirrel> linux-sound-base also is installed
[22:14] <dusan> all: I have problem, how to "manually fix the package"?
[22:14] <Aresilek> is there a way to disable the scroll thing on the trackpad?
[22:14] <Roey> [ka]killer:  konqueror windows.
[22:14] <[ka]killer> hum
[22:14] <Roey> Gah, I keep hearing Kanye West's "Stronger" looping around and around, I'm going nuts
[22:15] <[ka]killer> im not sure
[22:15] <Roey> ok
[22:15] <[ka]killer> what sites do youhave open?
[22:15] <Roey> nothing that play music
[22:15] <Roey> *no sites which play music
[22:15] <Roey> er
[22:15] <[ka]killer> you sure?
[22:15] <Roey> Facebook
[22:15] <Roey> would that play stupid music, ya think?
[22:15] <[ka]killer> yes
[22:15] <dusan> all: I have problem, how to "manually fix the package"?
[22:16] <Norty> problem: my cups server seems broken after an update. Ideas?
[22:16] <Norty> dusan: what package?
[22:16] <Roey> [ka]killer:  ok, it was Facebook
[22:16] <Roey> woof :(
[22:16] <[ka]killer> Norty, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade?
[22:16] <[ka]killer> xD
[22:16] <[ka]killer> always check that first
[22:16] <Roey> [ka]killer:  thanks :)
[22:17] <[ka]killer> =P normall when i do that i forgot to hit stop before minimizing the amarok window
[22:17] <Norty> [ka]killer: sudo aptitude -- did it "manually" on a 6.06
[22:17] <[ka]killer> i never do it manually, i break things to often =/
[22:17] <Norty> [ka]killer:  it updated cups, and now cups is broke.
[22:17] <[ka]killer> humm
[22:18] <MinceR> hay
[22:18] <[ka]killer> why not upgrade from 6.06?
[22:18] <wols_> cause it'S LTS
[22:18] <MinceR> i'm upgrading from feisty to gutsy and it keeps failing
[22:18] <Norty> [ka]killer: prefer LTS, yeah.
[22:18] <MinceR> "subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped"
[22:18] <[ka]killer> o
[22:18] <[ka]killer> minceR mine did that
[22:18] <MinceR> the Report bug button pretends it's trying to start konqueror but nothing happens
[22:18] <[ka]killer> i just ended up burning a disk
[22:18] <Norty> MinceR: if you can, clean install.
[22:18] <MinceR> it told me x11-common isn't going to be installed
[22:19] <MinceR> why, is it really that hard to get dist-upgrade actually work?
[22:19] <wols_> MinceR: post inst script for what?
[22:19] <MinceR> dunno
[22:19] <MinceR> can't copy from those dialogs
[22:19] <wols_> and what else gives it out, cause this is not the causing error
[22:19] <MinceR> only the message i've pasted already
[22:19] <MinceR> show terminal shows an empty panel
[22:20] <dusan> aptitude: I wasn't able to locate file for kdevelop package.This might mean you might need to manually fix the package.(due to missing arch)
[22:20] <Norty> MinceR: can you get it to install x11-common?
[22:20] <dusan> that is what I get from aptitude
[22:20] <MinceR> i'll try after the upgrade finishes or dies
[22:21] <[ka]killer> why do i get "loading player part 'xinepart' failed all video drivers failed to initialize!"
[22:21] <Norty> dusan: do you know how to download the package manually? I could help with that.
[22:21] <MinceR> maybe Show terminal froze something in there because it stopped doing things
[22:22] <dusan> Norty: I will try?
[22:22] <dusan> dpkg?
[22:22] <dusan> apt-get?
[22:22] <Norty> dusan: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[22:22] <dusan> Norty: Already there.
[22:23] <Norty> dusan: find your package, and download it. Then command line to the file, and dpkg -i <file>
[22:24] <dusan> ok
[22:25] <[ka]killer> does anyone have experience with xine
[22:26] <ezra_> hey
[22:26] <ezra_> I can't run any aptitude programs
[22:26] <ezra_> it says there's something running using it
[22:26] <[ka]killer> then there is
[22:26] <ezra_> but I checked the precess table and there's nothing with the name apt
[22:26] <Norty> ezra_: try to find that program and tell it to quit nicely
[22:26] <ezra_> or aptitude
[22:26] <ezra_> or anything
[22:26] <ezra_> related
[22:27] <[ka]killer> try running apt-get it should tell you what is using it
[22:27] <ezra_> k, thanks
[22:27] <[ka]killer> normally it yells at me to dpkg something when that happens
[22:27] <[ka]killer> and back to my problem anyone have experience with xine
[22:28] <Norty> ezra_: I usually give up and do a soft-reboot then. I never took the time to track it down.
[22:28] <ezra_> I reebooted
[22:29] <Norty> but that's just me.
[22:29] <ezra_> and it still was there
[22:29] <ubuzztu> how do i go about mounting an ftp url?
[22:29] <ezra_> I restarted
[22:29] <MinceR> can i restart distribution upgrade if it freezes or will i have to restore my backup?
[22:29] <ardchoille> ubuzztu: You can just open konqueror and do:  ftp://url
[22:29] <ezra_> it says that dpkg was interrupted and that I must manually run something to correct the problem
[22:29] <ezra_> which I am now doing
[22:30] <TimS> Is it possible to list all commands that start with the letters vnc
[22:30] <ubuzztu> i want to mount the directory so i can view the directory in kdevelop
[22:31] <Dr_willis> vnc<tab><tab>  :)
[22:31] <TimS> Ah, thanks!!
[22:31] <Dr_willis> Thats bash command completion at work
[22:32] <TimS> =]
[22:32] <zorglu_> suggestion: for the next version, support cut/paste
[22:32] <Dr_willis> suggestion: be more clear on the suggestions...
[22:32] <Dr_willis> ;)
[22:33]  * Dr_willis cuts and pastes all the time
[22:34] <MinceR> even after closing the window i can't kill the remaining processes even with kill -9
[22:34] <Norty> zorglu_: for comand line, did you use <shift>+<insert> for <ctrl>+V  ?
[22:34] <TimS> Klipper is very irritating, it drops whatever you copy, but you can manualy select it
[22:34]  * Dr_willis cuts/pastes a URL of the Channel  Old timers dancing --> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1778911
[22:35] <[ka]killer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/44950/
[22:37] <TimS> Dr_willis: How do I stop the dolphin error about bookmarks? Apart from by using Konqueror :P
[22:38] <Dr_willis> I dont use dolphin. I stuff dolphin into little cans marked 'tuna'
[22:38] <Dr_willis> :)
[22:38] <jpatrick> Dr_willis: that's not very nice...
[22:38] <Dr_willis> Ive yet to see any thing that dolphin does for me that i cant do with Konqueror better/faster/stronger/quicker. :)
[22:38] <nareshov> Is there a KDE/Qt IRC client that supports HTTP proxy (including proxy support for xdcc)?
[22:38] <TimS> True
[22:38] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: X got 2 cut/paste stuff. and so kde/gnome apps poorly interact due to that
[22:38] <Dr_willis> of course KDE4 may make it better.
[22:39] <Dr_willis> zorglu_,  thers settings to sync the cut selection buffer with the cut/paste buffer.
[22:39] <TimS> Dr_willis: How do I search apt from the cli?
[22:39] <MinceR> adept says the database is locked. i've deleted /var/cache/apt/archives/lock as a webpage said and adept still says it's locked
[22:39] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: any keyword or url to help me fix this ?
[22:39] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search whatever
[22:39] <Dr_willis> zorglu_,  i think klipper has that feature
[22:39] <MinceR> how can i make adept work again?
[22:39] <Dr_willis> I sort of perfer the 2 buffers. :)
[22:40] <Dr_willis> Of couse im used to the 'old fashined selection buffer/middle click' method
[22:40] <zorglu_> i would prefere to be able to cut/paste :)
[22:40] <Dr_willis> ctrl-c and ctrl-v works for me in most cases.. cant say that ive ever had an issue with cut/pasteing
[22:40] <zorglu_> currently to cut/past from firefox to console, i need to do firefox->eclipse->konsole
[22:40] <TimS> And anyone else here having problems with the latest nVidia and 7300?
[22:41] <Dr_willis> firefox does have a plugin to 'auto copy to clipboard' any selections made on a web page
[22:41] <Dr_willis> Thats handy at times
[22:41] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: ok this was my suggestion :) to get cut/paste to work by default :)
[22:42] <Dr_willis> I just select text in firefox, right click -> copy, then click in konqueror -> right click paste.
[22:42] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: if plugin are required to support cut/paste to have them by default
[22:42] <Dr_willis> its working here by default for me.
[22:42] <Dr_willis> Not sure what you are doing thats so weird.
[22:42] <zorglu_> i guess im unlucky then
[22:42] <Dr_willis> technically firefox is not included in Kubuntu by default. :)
[22:44] <Dr_willis> I can select text in firefox, and middle click to paste the selection in Konsole also.
[22:44] <MinceR> i guess i'll see if "sudo dpkg --configure -a" fixes things.
[22:45] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: it is ok i will keep going thru eclipse
[22:48] <Norty> Ok, so how do I undo an update?
[22:48] <nick__> Hey everyone, I was wondering if someone could help me refine a command for the command line.  I want to copy files to a usb drive "cp *.mp3 /media/MCUSB" but all the files I want to copy are scattered in a variety of sub folders, but those sub folders are all contained within one partent folder.  Is it possible?
[22:48] <MinceR> bye
[22:48] <Lazarus> Hello there, whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[22:48] <knightz> question if i stop the upgrade do i have to start it from the beginning all over again....?
[22:48] <knightz> I'm upgrading to 7.10?
[22:48] <Dr_willis> aptitude has a 'console gui' and it supposed to be a bit smarter in ways.. but i rarely use it.
[22:49] <Norty> knightz: you would more likely get a broken system.
[22:49] <Lazarus> knightz: if you stop the upgrade, you could mess up your system
[22:49] <blekos> hi, if a create a new user without administrative permission, on the same pc will he be able to access my home directory?
[22:49] <Lazarus> knightz: it happened to me
[22:49] <Lazarus> so be weary
[22:49] <blekos> eg user1, user2
[22:49] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: what do you use?
[22:49] <blekos> will be user2 able to se user's1 files?
[22:49] <knightz> so I have to wait for the dam thing to finish upgrading?
[22:49] <Dr_willis> I just apt-get install stuff.
[22:49] <Norty> blekos: I don't think so.
[22:50] <Lazarus> knightz: yeah, that would be the smart choice
[22:50] <knightz> hm.........
[22:50] <knightz> 11 hour 38min left
[22:50] <Norty> blekos: not unless you specifially allow it, I think.
[22:50] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: the only reason i ask is because i used apt-get to install ubuntustudio-audio, just to check it out
[22:50] <Lazarus> then when i tried to get rid of it, it left all the packages
[22:51] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  yep. apttitude will supposebly be a little smarter at removing things.
[22:51] <Dr_willis> But i rarely remove things.. :P
[22:51] <Lazarus> !mythtv
[22:51] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[22:51] <Dr_willis> ive also had aptitude decide to remove 300+ packages.. then it decided to reinstall them
[22:51] <knightz> so i can't shut down my system till it's over?
[22:51] <Lazarus> knightz: whats your hurry?
[22:52] <Lazarus> knightz: it would be unwise
[22:52] <Norty> all: can I get aptitude to undo some upgrades?
[22:54] <knightz> yes I'm using the wireless in the mall
[22:54] <knightz> and when the mall close i have to leave!
[22:54] <Dr_willis> Hide out in the Store! :)
[22:54] <knightz> funny
[22:55] <Dr_willis> No starbucks close eh? :)
[22:55] <Norty> knightz: ok, if it's just downloading, you're ok to power down. Install: bad idea.
[22:55] <knightz> 9 out of 1068 packages
[22:55] <knightz> it's just downloading
[22:55] <Dr_willis> actually if its done downloading.. the install can run without network connection
[22:58] <knightz> how long the install takes?
[22:58] <Dr_willis> for 1000+ packages...  id say.. hr or so.
[22:58] <knightz> i have a 2.1gig with 512m ram
[22:58] <Dr_willis> its almost faster to do a Clean Reinstall  then   upgrade. :)
[22:59] <knightz> hm..........
[22:59] <Dr_willis> big speed limit will be the HD speeds.
[22:59] <knightz> th last version was 7.08? then right?
[22:59] <NickPresta> 7.04
[22:59] <knightz> ok.......... i thought the new version was 8.10?
[23:00] <NickPresta> 8.10 implies 2008, month 10
[23:00] <Dr_willis> the LAST version was  7.04 - the latest is 8.10 :)
[23:00] <knightz> hm.......... long wait
[23:00] <Norty> correction: 7.10 -- it isn't 2008 yet.
[23:00] <ardchoille> the LAST version was  7.04 - the latest is 7.10
[23:00] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: 8.10 is out already?
[23:01] <NickPresta> :)
[23:01] <Dr_willis> typo :)
[23:01] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: what exactly do they have planned for it
[23:01] <ardchoille> Lazarus: he's using libtimetravel
[23:01] <ardchoille> ;P
[23:01] <knightz> ok if i shut down then it would just start back where i stopped right?
[23:01] <pacman_> hey Dr_willis
[23:01] <Dr_willis> !ubuntu+1
[23:01] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[23:02] <pacman_> when I rebuilt this box, I installed 2GB of RAM...in my BIOS, it only shows 512MB
[23:02] <Lazarus> what is mythtv good for
[23:02] <Lazarus> i keep hearing about it
[23:02] <knightz> if i knew this i ould of done it at home
[23:02] <knightz> if i knew this i would of done it at home
[23:02] <NickPresta> !mythtv > Lazarus
[23:02] <pjeide> Is there any difference between the Kubuntu dist and the regular Ubuntu dist aside from +KDE -gnome?
[23:03] <knightz> yes is there?
[23:03] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  i have a mythtv box in the basement recording tv shows :)
[23:03] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: yeah, thats interesting
[23:03] <ardchoille> pjeide: It's the same base distro, just a different desktop environment
[23:03] <Lazarus> wikipedia compared it to free tivo
[23:03] <pjeide> ardchoille: thank you
[23:03] <knightz> i love how kubuntu handles memory cards
[23:03] <Dr_willis> Yep. basicially is TIVO for those that hate Comercials. :)
[23:04] <Dr_willis> it can auto-remove comercials.
[23:04] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: how do you have it set up
[23:04] <pjeide> !mythtv > pjeide
[23:04] <Lazarus> im trying to think of how this can related to my actual television
[23:05] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  just the normal defaults for the most part. I just knew where to click to 'enable auto comercial skip' :)
[23:05] <Dr_willis> amd64 2 ghz box, nvidia 6800 card. and Loads of HD space.
[23:05] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: no, i mean how would you set it up for your living room
[23:05] <Lazarus> rather than computer
[23:05] <Dr_willis> I installed the 'mythbuntu'  disrto.
[23:05] <Dr_willis> set it up?  the pc just sits below the tv. :)
[23:06] <Dr_willis> it auto boots to MythTV
[23:06] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: very interesting
[23:06] <Lazarus> i don't know thatd id waste good hardware for something akin to tivo though
[23:07] <Dr_willis> actually in the basemnt i got it hooked to a Monior and the TV. i get a normal Desktop on the PC moniotr. I got a MythTV client for the living room
[23:07] <Lazarus> i have an old crappy box laying around
[23:07] <Dr_willis> I have several. :)
[23:07] <pjeide> I've mulled over the idea of turning this box into a media center/file server when finished with it.. something like MythTV might be a good push in the right direction..
[23:07] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: how do you stop/start and such from a remote control
[23:08] <Dr_willis> it has support for my remote. :) i just hit play/move the arrows around and so forth.
[23:08] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: ah, i see
[23:08] <Lazarus> what model
[23:08] <spencer> are the repostitories down?  I can't update gutsy.
[23:08] <Lazarus> jeez, i love this stuff
[23:08] <Lazarus> a full work around of shitty commercial products
[23:08] <Dr_willis> i do perfer a full wireless keyboard. - that way i can  Play Frozenbubble on the tv. :)
[23:09] <Lazarus> id never buy tivo in a million years
[23:09] <Lazarus> im cheap
[23:09] <Dr_willis> I got a tivo gave to me. Its in the closet.
[23:09] <Lazarus> heh, a huge wireless keyboard would be a little bulky
[23:10] <Lazarus> i try to keep tv/media separate from my computer
[23:10] <Lazarus> otherwise id have no reason to leave my room
[23:10] <Dr_willis> They got little ones also. :)
[23:10] <Dr_willis> Or ya could always just use a wireless gamepad.
[23:10] <Lazarus> very very intriguing
[23:10] <Dr_willis> or ya just run some ps2 cables under the floor to the couch.
[23:10] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: you have enlightened me somewhat more to the capabilities of the hardware i have laying around
[23:11] <Dr_willis> Im waiting for those USB-Wireless hubs to get common. then i canhave all theusb things done wirelessly. :)
[23:11] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: how would you get a gamepad to work
[23:11] <Dr_willis> plug it in.. it works. :)
[23:11] <pjeide> I am rather pleased that I happened across the conversation at this juncture as well.
[23:11] <Dr_willis> you may need to define all the buttons in a config.
[23:11] <spencer> any one having trouble updating?
[23:11] <Lazarus> i dont have a ps2 actually
[23:12] <Dr_willis> #ubuntu-mythtv is a good place to check for info also.
[23:12] <shane_> Keyboard shortcut for increasing/decreasing master volume not showing on OSD...Is there a fix for this?
[23:12] <Lazarus> but id buy a custom remote, or even a wireless keyboard i guess
[23:12] <Dr_willis> I found the remote a bit laggy.. and i had a wireless keybord handy. :)
[23:13] <Dr_willis> id like to find a mini keyboard with a little trackball.
[23:13] <Dr_willis> wireless.
[23:13] <pjeide> I'd like one of those for an in-car rig.
[23:13] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: id need a mouse as well
[23:13] <Lazarus> jeez, the possibilities are endless
[23:14] <Lazarus> i dont really watch much tv, but id do stuff anyway just for the hell of it
[23:14] <Dr_willis> then you can also have MythTV client box's around the house so others can watch what the main backend has recorded
[23:14] <Dr_willis> I tend to record shows. burn them to dvd. or convert->copy to laptop to watch
[23:14] <pjeide> that sounds like a pretty nice feature
[23:14] <Dr_willis> its gotten where i cant stand to watch normal tv. I want pause-at-any-time, and no comercials. :P
[23:15] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: indeed
[23:15] <Dr_willis> plus the mythtv box can play about any video format you can toss at it.
[23:15] <shane_> I'd rather watch my netflix movies :) tv just doesn'
[23:15] <Lazarus> i was at my aunts house last night and was amazed at the possibilities
[23:15] <shane_> t entertain me much
[23:15] <Lazarus> she has tivo
[23:15] <Lazarus> shane_: me either
[23:15] <Dr_willis> im the opposite - i hate movies
[23:16] <Lazarus> i like movies over shows
[23:16] <Lazarus> most shows nowadays are somewhat crappy
[23:16] <Lazarus> but history channel specials and whatnot i always want to record
[23:16] <shane_> I enjoy south park, but that's about it on tv
[23:16] <Lazarus> south park and such
[23:16] <shane_> ha yeah
[23:16] <andreas_> why cant i play the whole .flv movie? In Firefor and Konqueror.
[23:17] <blekos> hi, although i've chosen for the mounted drives to appear on the desktop that's not the case anybody having the same "problem" [i'm running 7.10 dual boot]
[23:18] <knightz> off the wall question where can i get software to unlock the sony ericsson w880i phones?
[23:18] <_novocaine_> Hi. Does anyone know if there's a way to extend windows all the way to the right of the screen so the scrollbar touches the edge?
[23:18] <shane_> blekos, are the drives accessible at all?
[23:18] <shane_> or just not on the desktop
[23:18] <NeoFax> I am having a problem with the following:  "weird, boot cpu (#15) not listed by BIOS"
[23:18] <_novocaine_> I hate missing it and resizing the window by accident
[23:18] <robotphood> does anyone here know how to add konqueror service menus to dolphin?
[23:19] <weswh-> does anyone know of a good program that will let a linux system and a windows system send/receive files. would use google chat, but it won't work with my friend on windows
[23:19] <andreas_> why cant i play the whole .flv movie? In Firefor and Konqueror.
[23:19] <weswh-> so i am just looking for a small application that could do that for both platforms
[23:19] <shane_> weswh, how bout pidgin?
[23:19] <blekos> yes 100% accessible and r-w/able
[23:19] <vit____> hello
[23:19] <bbm4n> guys how can i revert changes in kubuntu?
[23:20] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: what do you plug the coaxial into
[23:20] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: im trying to make a diagram of what i would need to do
[23:21] <weswh-> shane...yeah, I am using pidgin. see if I can talk him into it.
[23:21] <weswh-> i didn't consider that pidgin to pidgin would work
[23:21] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: how do you have av i/o set up
[23:22] <yendor> I cannot see the drives in the media directory in dolphin
[23:22] <sourcemaker> is this the right channel for nvidia problems in gusty?
[23:22] <NeoFax> I am having a problem with the following:  "weird, boot cpu (#15) not listed by BIOS"
[23:22] <shane_> weswh, pidgin transfers files..if you have problems, be sure your ip address is correct in your preferences and that you're opening the right port in your firewall
[23:23] <weswh-> yeah, just when he's done it through google talk, it says my client doesn't support it.
[23:23] <yendor> lag?
[23:23] <shane_> weswh, interesting..I thought for sure I've sent files to people using google talk before
[23:23] <nareshov> doesn't kopete work?
[23:23] <sourcemaker> my nvidia geforce3 is not working anymore in gusty... in feisty everythink was working wel... any solutions?
[23:24] <shane_> nareshov, kopete does transfer as well
[23:24] <shane_> sourcemaker, what's the problem?
[23:24] <nareshov> too bad kopete doesn't have http proxy support :\
[23:25] <nareshov> and neither does konversation
[23:25] <yendor> a minute ago I could see the partitions in storage media but now I cannot, it happens at time and Im forced to reboot to solve it...can you help me please?
[23:25] <shane_> nareshov, I think kopete falls short on many features, but that's just my opinion...pidgin probably isn't any better. We sure could use a google talk type program for linux
[23:26] <NeoFax> shane_: Ever try psi?
[23:26] <nareshov> yep. I'm currently using psi on KDE
[23:26] <shane_> NeoFax, yes I have..I do like some of the features, but I wasn't too impressed with the UI. I'm probably being too picky
[23:27] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  the tv tuner card has  the inputs for the tv.
[23:28] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  then video card out goes to the TV itself.
[23:28] <yendor> media:/ protocol is failing in my kubuntu..can you help me pls?
[23:28] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: ah, i see
[23:29] <sourcemaker> when starting the xserver... the xserver crashs with the error message api missmatch kernel module 9631 nvidia version 9639
[23:30] <sourcemaker> using geforce3
[23:30] <shane_> sourcemaker: How did you install this driver?
[23:30] <sourcemaker> first... i tried the new registry driver module from systems settings (kde) gusty... is was not workingthen i used apt
[23:31] <yendor> arent you capabl of helping me?! :(
[23:31] <sourcemaker> restricted driver i mean
[23:31] <shane_> sourcemaker: Well, you have the wrong restricted modules installed. Find the ones that match your Nvidia version
[23:31] <Dr_willis> apt and the 'restricted-manager' tool install the same packages.
[23:32] <Dr_willis> unless you mean you used 'dkpg -i SOMTHINGYouDownloadeed.deb'
[23:32] <Dr_willis> instead of apt-get install nvidia-glx
[23:32] <sourcemaker> I used apt-get install nvidia-glx
[23:33] <sourcemaker> I n feisty... everythink was working well
[23:33] <yendor> media:/ protocol is failing in my kubuntu..can you help me pls?
[23:33] <shane_> sourcemaker: Did you upgrade from feisty?
[23:33] <sourcemaker> never touch a running system.... yes... I have
[23:34] <shane_> sourcemaker: Have you heard of the program called Envy?
[23:34] <sourcemaker> No i am sorry... I have not head this programm yet
[23:34] <Dr_willis> dont even mess with envy, :) heh heh...
[23:34] <Dr_willis> well i guess ya can if you are brave/foolhardy
[23:34] <shane_> not a fan Dr_willis?
[23:34] <shane_> haha
[23:34] <sourcemaker> is it stable?
[23:35] <Dr_willis> i see a large # of people in here a week with "i used envy, and now its not working"
[23:35] <shane_> Hmm..maybe you're right then...
[23:35] <Dr_willis> In fact IF you use envy. and then theres a kernel upgrade.. you must reinstall the nvidia drivers with envey again manually
[23:35] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: I didn't think envy and automatix were even necessary anymore
[23:36] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  as far as im concerned they are not.. then again.. they never were necessary. :)
[23:36] <ardchoille> True
[23:36] <sourcemaker> I am not interessed in beeing your alpha-tester of Envy
[23:36] <sourcemaker> ;-)
[23:36] <shane_> I think they can help people who may have a hard time installing things on their own, but that could turn into a big debate, ha
[23:36] <Lazarus> yeah, envy is a short term fix
[23:36] <yendor> media:/ protocol is failing in my kubuntu..can you help me pls?
[23:36] <shane_> haha
[23:36] <Dr_willis> I would rate envy  better then AUtomatix. :)
[23:36] <Lazarus> its given me problems before
[23:36] <shane_> I haven't had any problems, but maybe I've been lucky
[23:36] <Lazarus> automatix is the devil
[23:36] <Dr_willis> shane_,  very lucky
[23:37] <NeoFax> I wouldn't so much as blame envy as I would blame the nvidia installer program
[23:37] <sourcemaker> I had no problems with drapper or feisty.
[23:37] <Dr_willis> i normally just use restricted-manager tool and never have problems. :)
[23:37] <NeoFax> All envy is a script nothing more.
[23:37] <shane_> I hear ya Dr_willis
[23:37] <shane_> I do the same
[23:38] <shane_> But how do you suggest sourcemaker gets out of this without knowing how to mess with his modules to fix his nvidia card?
[23:38] <shane_> I mean I could remote into his machine or something (not!)
[23:38] <sourcemaker> I have also used gentoo 4 years... and my nvidia driver was always working...
[23:38] <NeoFax> It is better to use the apt program to handle 99% of your system as it is great.  Using scripts that do the same as apt is just asking for trouble.
[23:38] <ardchoille> I just do "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable" and the nividia drivers are installed. Takes jus a few minutes and you don't have to open a gui for it :)
[23:38] <excitatory> where would i find the md5sum of the kubuntu desktop cd iso?
[23:39] <sourcemaker>  "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable => did not work for m
[23:39] <Dr_willis> If the kernel verison and nvidia versjions differ. they wont work.  You may need to figure out why they are differeing.
[23:39] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: After doing that, what exactly was the eroor you received in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[23:39] <Dr_willis> an apt-get update, and upgrade, THEN try reinstalling the nvidia drivers.. may be the best route.
[23:39] <ardchoille> sourcemaker: Then you have a weird system, that has worked for me on over 200 machines.
[23:40] <Dr_willis> has the nvidia stuff ever worked? when did it break? :)
[23:40] <ardchoille> lol
[23:40] <NeoFax> Dr_willis: Try ATI
[23:40] <Dr_willis> You dont want to know what i do to ATI.
[23:40] <Dr_willis> :P
[23:40] <ardchoille> hehe
[23:41] <Dr_willis> actually the one ATI box i have.. restricted-manager handles it also.
[23:41] <shane_> ha..maybe these open drivers that are going to come out for ATI (someday) will change things
[23:41] <yendor> I found a workaround thanks for not helping me
[23:41] <zibrah3ed> no problem
[23:41] <Dr_willis> you are welcomed.
[23:41] <shane_> yendor: sorry we didn't know what was wrong with your storage media
[23:41] <Dr_willis> shame on us for not knowing every obscoure bug I guess.
[23:41] <ardchoille> yendor: Not everyone in here knows everything there is to know about Linux.
[23:42] <NeoFax> Anyone know how to fic this:  "weird, boot cpu (#15) not listed by BIOS"
[23:42] <zibrah3ed> They don't?
[23:42] <shane_> ardchoille: I do..haha yeah right
[23:42] <ardchoille> lol
[23:42] <NeoFax> My pc worked fine until I rebooted a while ago
[23:42] <shane_> my knowledge = /dev/null
[23:42] <sourcemaker> (II) Setting vga for screen 0.(**) NVIDIA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32(==) NVIDIA(0): RGB weight 888(==) NVIDIA(0): Default visual is TrueColor(==) NVIDIA(0): Using gamma correction (1.0, 1.0, 1.0)(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "NoLogo" "True"(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "NvAGP" "1"(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "RenderAccel" "true"(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "1"(**) NVIDIA(0): Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"(**) NVIDIA(0): Enabl
[23:42] <sourcemaker> A internal AGP requested(II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is(II) NVIDIA(0):     enabled.(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure(EE) NVIDIA(0):     that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and(EE) NVIDIA(0):     that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly.(EE) NVIDIA(0):     Please consult the NVIDIA README for details.(EE) NVIDIA(0):  **
[23:42] <sourcemaker> dModule: "fb"(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[23:42] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Please use pastebin
[23:43] <Lazarus> whats the difference between ext3 and reiserFS filesystems
[23:43] <yendor> it apparent that it is quite a very common bug in Kubuntu 7.10 guys
[23:43] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  that looks like your monitor settings are incorrect. Not the nvidia card settings.
[23:43] <NeoFax> Lazarus: Support
[23:43] <yendor> at least t should draqw some attention
[23:43] <ardchoille> yendor: What was the rpboelm?
[23:43] <shane_> Lazarus: reiserfs was created by a murderer
[23:43] <zibrah3ed> gd typed it b4 me
[23:43] <Lazarus> shane_: ha, you have to explain that
[23:44] <yendor> for an unknown reason media:/ was not showing any content
[23:44] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Try doing sudo modprobe nvidia
[23:44] <yendor> nothing although the mounts are ok
[23:44] <Dr_willis> !reiserfs
[23:44] <ubotu> reiserfs is a journalling file system, which outperforms many others on I/O operations, but has drawbacks (such as increasing likelihood of data loss, and introducing latency unsuitable for gaming or real-time audio). Using !ext3, the default on Ubuntu, is *highly* recommended. A read-only Windows driver is available at http://p-nand-q.com/download/rfstool.html
[23:44] <sourcemaker> On the console... I get the message: API missmatch the kernel version is 1.0-9631 the x server module is 9630
[23:44] <NeoFax> shane_: Innocent until proven guilty
[23:44] <ardchoille> yendor: Ah, ok. Well, I use bash as a file manager, so I don't use "media:/".
[23:44] <shane_> Lazarus: The guy who created it was accused of murdering his girlfriend..yeah, I was joshing NeoFax haha
[23:45] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  So has this nvidia card ever worked?
[23:45] <Lazarus> hmm, ive been using reiserfs for a long time on many systems
[23:45] <Lazarus> never had too much trouble
[23:45] <Lazarus> i guess you all use ext3?
[23:45] <shane_> I do
[23:45] <Dr_willis> I lost a few 100gb on a reiserfs once.. so now  i use ext3
[23:45] <zibrah3ed> Only on opensuse machines
[23:45]  * nareshov has been using reiserfs for two years now
[23:45] <sourcemaker> yes... on festy bevore doing the upgrade
[23:45] <Dr_willis> really i have little to gain from reiserfs.
[23:45] <NeoFax> Lazarus: Will it work a year from now without support?  SuSE maintains only bugs now
[23:45] <shane_> opensuse uses ext3 by default now
[23:46] <zibrah3ed> yes they did at 10.3
[23:46]  * ardchoille has never used anyting other than ext3
[23:46] <NeoFax> The company Hans Reiser started is working on Reiser 3 and has no intention to support Reiser2
[23:46] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  Upgrades ahh.. Well it could be the kernel has not been upgraded yet. or the drivers havent.  I never use upgrades so not sure of the proper way to be sure everything upgraded
[23:46] <Lazarus> Ew, reiserfs came out of suse?
[23:46] <Lazarus> i despise suse
[23:46] <zibrah3ed> no
[23:46] <sourcemaker> i used the dist-upgrade command---
[23:46] <sourcemaker> everythink was fine
[23:46] <sourcemaker> except the nvidia card
[23:47] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  id try it again to be sure, then do a sudo apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade again...
[23:47] <ardchoille> sourcemaker: You upgraded to Gytsy with "dist-upgrade"?
[23:47] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: How was it setup in feisty?  with restricted modules or using the NVIDIA installer?
[23:47] <nareshov> Should he try the module-assistant method? sudo m-a a-i nvidia ?
[23:48] <NeoFax> Lazarus: No, Reiser was designed by Hans Reiser who lives near San Francisco and SuSE only championed it back when Linus Torvalds would not include it straight in the kernel.
[23:48] <sourcemaker> NeoFax : on feisty... i used the restricted modules: I was a fresh clean install... without upgrading from drapper...Yes... all update are installed....
[23:48] <ubuzztu> where can i find the latest java sdk/jvm? sources?
[23:48] <Lazarus> NeoFax: interesting
[23:48] <shane_> Why doesn't the OSD work with keyboard shortcuts controlling my master volume
[23:48] <sourcemaker> I switched from gentoo distro to kubuntu... so i was doing a fresh install...
[23:49] <zibrah3ed> how can you not setup a video card if you used gentoo?
[23:49] <sourcemaker> after I have read the release notes of gusty... I have done the upgrade... based on the upgrade guide
[23:49] <nareshov> yeah :P
[23:49] <Dr_willis> sounds to me like the kernel, or the drivers didient upgrade properly
[23:49] <sourcemaker> well... on gentoo... I compile the kernel and drivers myself...
[23:49] <zibrah3ed> you still can
[23:49] <sourcemaker> but i won't do that in kubuntu
[23:50] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Try booting into a differnet kernel and then apt-getting the restricted modules for that kernel and reinstalling nvidia-glx to see if it is a symlink problem
[23:50] <blekos> hi, in my work we have a win 2003 server with active directory etc. Is it possible a terminal running linux to
[23:50] <blekos> map an ntfs drive?
[23:50] <zibrah3ed> biekos: rdesktop can connect to windows terminal server
[23:50] <NeoFax> blekos: yes with samba
[23:51] <sourcemaker> NeoFax : "sourcemaker: Try booting into a differnet kernel and then apt-getting the restricted modules for that kernel and reinstalling nvidia-glx to see if it is a symlink problem" => i have already tryed this ;;-)
[23:51] <blekos> so i have to install samba on the linux terminal?
[23:52] <Dr_willis> actually just to get TO the  windows machine. i dont think you need to install samba.. but  i may be wrong.
[23:52] <Dr_willis>  the kde file manager has a samba:/ feature
[23:52] <NeoFax> Open nvidia-glx in like kpackage and see what symlinks it installs and see if your system matches those symlinks.  Also, try sudo updatedb then locate nvidia.ko
[23:52] <sourcemaker> maybe it is better to use gentoo... and doing all the stuff myself...  everythink was working well
[23:52] <Dr_willis>  smb://mshome/    :) in my case
[23:52] <blekos> and how to i do that?
[23:52] <ubuzztu> where can i find the latest java sdk/jvm? sources?
[23:52] <NeoFax> This will tell you where the nvidia kernel driver is located.
[23:53] <Dr_willis> sourcemaker,  problkems like  yours are the reasin i never upgrade.  I keep /home seperate and do clean installs. :(
[23:53] <blekos> i just plug in the kubuntu terminal? (i guess i'm looking for an option equivelant "map network drive"
[23:53] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: Different strokes for different folks.  If Gentoo worked well, I would have stuck with it.  I used to use it until it became a burden maintaining my machine
[23:54] <Dr_willis> blekos,  system:/remote   shows icons to get to the smb, and other network servers
[23:54] <sourcemaker> NeoFax: I used to use it until it became a burden maintaining my machine => That's the reason... why I will kubuntu a try
[23:54] <NeoFax> blekos: Go to samba.org and they have tutorials there for exactly what u are asking
[23:55] <Dr_willis> or couse if the old ubuntu worked.. :)  why upgrade at all.
[23:55] <Dr_willis> For the WIGGLY WINDOWS! :) thats why
[23:55] <Lazarus> jeez, why can you just watch tv through a lan cable
[23:55] <NeoFax> Lazarus: Try joost
[23:55] <Lazarus> !joost
[23:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about joost - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:55] <Dr_willis> I watch tv throgh my lan cable. :)
[23:55] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: what, thats crazy
[23:55] <sourcemaker> Dr_willis: Is the problem of all software developers... the always want to have the newest version available
[23:55] <Excelsior> Try XTV
[23:55] <[ka]killer> =O
[23:55] <Excelsior> *XDTV
[23:56] <Dr_willis> it is running a mythtv client on one end.. and mythtv server on the other.
[23:56] <NeoFax> I can using my Xbox360 and Vista's Media Center
[23:56] <Dr_willis> actually Im not sure i can watch livetv.. or just the recorded shows..
[23:56] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: what do you use to watch it through lan?
[23:56] <NeoFax> I wish Myth would come out with a MCE capable backend
[23:56] <Dr_willis> Lazarus,  MythTV
[23:56] <Dr_willis> I just fired it up. i can watch live tv on the mythtv server
[23:57] <Lazarus> Dr_willis: Ah, then whats this 'joost' that NeoFax just mentioned
[23:57] <NeoFax> Does anyone know how to fix my boot BIOS problem?
[23:57] <Excelsior> Query, good sirs! I recently dled and did a fresh install of Gutsy, and wouldn't you know it? My wifi doesn't work! (WPA) It lists eth0 for my device, but it also says there is "No active device" and it also lists a false IP address (169.XXX.XXX.XX) Any suggestions so I can get my wifi working? Much appreciated.
[23:58] <NeoFax> Joost is a IPTV system.  It allows you to connect to free and payperview shows thru the internet
[23:58] <Lazarus> NeoFax: i dont see where it runs on linux
[23:58] <zibrah3ed> What wireless adapter you have would be a start
[23:58] <NeoFax> Go to the ubuntuforums and there is a tutorial on how to install it under wine
[23:59] <sourcemaker> welll... fuck up the shit... I will buy a new nvidia card... so everything will working fine... without have always problems with the old legacy cards
[23:59] <NeoFax> sourcemaker: What video card do you actually have?
[23:59] <ardchoille> !ohmy | sourcemaker
[23:59] <Excelsior> zibrah3ed:: Are you talking to me?
[23:59] <ubotu> sourcemaker: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:59] <Lazarus> sourcemaker: legacy cards are lame to get working
[23:59] <zibrah3ed> Excelsior: Yes
[23:59] <sourcemaker> a very old geforce3