| cafuego | humbolto: Xen doesn't support ACPI, which is needed. WIP afaik. | 00:08 |
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| cafuego | humbolto: ANyway, people who want to run Windows in a VM on their laptops should be using something not Xen. it's not as if there aren't any other vm solutions. | 00:09 |
| humbolto | cafuego: can I use Xen and kvm in parallel? | 00:46 |
| cafuego | I don't think so. | 00:46 |
| cafuego | Why not pick something like vmware or one of the other desktop-focused vm platforms? | 00:46 |
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| brianski | where is the roadmap for hardy? | 10:07 |
| DeepB | !timeline | 10:09 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about timeline - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 10:09 |
| DeepB | !hardy | 10:09 |
| ubotu | Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu | 10:09 |
| DeepB | !schedule | 10:10 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 10:10 |
| brianski | hrm, thanks | 10:11 |
| brianski | this is probably what i was looking for: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule | 10:11 |
| DeepB | ok ;) | 10:12 |
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| IdleOne | Balaams_Miracle: you here | 12:48 |
| IdleOne | ? | 12:48 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Yup, i'm here. | 12:49 |
| IdleOne | hey good morning. can you tell me how I get Opera to load the speed dial page ? | 12:50 |
| IdleOne | also seem to have issues with flash and opera | 12:50 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Press CTRL+T and it should open a speeddial page | 12:50 |
| Balaams_Miracle | About the flash thing, it's more that Flash has issues with Opera. But Opera is trying to work around those issues, even though it should Adobe should be fixing the issues | 12:52 |
| IdleOne | if I plug my computer on to a car battery will it make it run faster and smoother? | 12:53 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Huh? | 12:53 |
| IdleOne | lol just being silly | 12:53 |
| IdleOne | my pc is slow | 12:53 |
| Balaams_Miracle | So did you get to the speed dial page yet? | 12:54 |
| IdleOne | so no flash for the time being with opera? | 12:54 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Wait, you are saying that you do not have Flash in Opera? | 12:54 |
| IdleOne | I think opera just crashed on me | 12:54 |
| Balaams_Miracle | That's different from "issues with flash" | 12:54 |
| IdleOne | Balaams_Miracle: yes that is what i am saying | 12:54 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Open the page "opera:plugins" and see if you can find flash there | 12:56 |
| IdleOne | Balaams_Miracle: get a popup asking me to install macrommmedia flash | 12:56 |
| IdleOne | ok gimme a second it is taking abit to load up opera | 12:56 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Come to think of it, how slow *is* your computer? | 12:57 |
| Balaams_Miracle | What processor and how much RAM? | 12:57 |
| IdleOne | os[Linux 2.6.22-9-generic - Debian lenny/sid - Ubuntu 8.04 hardy ( http://www.ubuntu.com )] | up[1 days, 18 hours, 45 minutes] | cpu[Celeron (Coppermine), 701.613 MHz (1404.65 bogomips)] | chipset[Intel Corporation 82810 GMCH (Graphics Memory Controller Hub) (rev 03)] | video[Intel Corporation 82810 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03) at 1280x1024 (32 bits)] | opengl[Mesa GLX Indirect powered by Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org with driver 1. | 12:58 |
| IdleOne | 4 (2.1 Mesa 7.0.1)] | xchat[Version: 2.8.4] | [sysinfo-dg 1.1-DocTrax_1.47] | 12:58 |
| IdleOne | 192 ram | 12:59 |
| IdleOne | opera starts to load google.com and then crashes | 12:59 |
| IdleOne | :/ | 12:59 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Ouch, Celeron... Also, 192MB of RAM does not help to improve speeds much... | 12:59 |
| IdleOne | no it doesnt | 12:59 |
| IdleOne | running update at the momment also .. so trying to run update and load a browser plus chat on irc kinda bogs things down | 13:00 |
| Balaams_Miracle | See if some browser-related process is hanging (like Operaplugincleaner or Operapluginwrapper) before you try and start Opera again | 13:01 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Ah, updating does significantly slow down a PC, even the faster ones. | 13:02 |
| Balaams_Miracle | BRB | 13:02 |
| IdleOne | I dont see any process from opera, ok | 13:03 |
| Balaams_Miracle | IdleOne: No hanging processes are good. | 13:06 |
| IdleOne | ok got the plugins page open | 13:07 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Wait, that can be read in more than one way.... | 13:07 |
| IdleOne | I meant no hanging process | 13:07 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Can you see an entry for "Shockwave flash" | 13:07 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Heh, and i meant "it's good to know there are no hanging processes" :-) | 13:08 |
| IdleOne | yes at bottom of page | 13:08 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Can you tell me what path it mentions for the plugin? | 13:08 |
| IdleOne | application/futuresplashspl | 13:08 |
| IdleOne | application/x-shockwave-flashswf | 13:08 |
| IdleOne | /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so | 13:08 |
| Balaams_Miracle | That should be okay. Let's go to the page "opera:config" | 13:09 |
| IdleOne | ok there | 13:10 |
| Balaams_Miracle | In the searchbox at the top of that page, enter "plugin", it's auto-search, so you should strat seeing results as you type | 13:10 |
| IdleOne | ok | 13:11 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Now i will need to know what it says under "plugin path" | 13:11 |
| IdleOne | /usr/lib/opera/plugins:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins:/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree | 13:12 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Hmmm... Doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that path. I've tyhe same path and it works for me. I assume that you do have flash in Mozillan and such? | 13:13 |
| Balaams_Miracle | (me and my typos... It's Mozilla, not Mozillan....) | 13:13 |
| IdleOne | yes I do | 13:14 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Weird, it should be working. | 13:14 |
| IdleOne | trying a site with flash to see what happens | 13:15 |
| Balaams_Miracle | I use MySpace and/or Youtube to test flash installs | 13:16 |
| IdleOne | Balaams_Miracle: seems to be working now. guess the two crashes it had fixed whatever was going on | 13:17 |
| IdleOne | ty for your help :) | 13:18 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Good to know it works now, but it's still weird | 13:18 |
| IdleOne | yup | 13:18 |
| Balaams_Miracle | If you'd be a Windows user, i would have blamed it on all the different browsers that you have installed :-)) | 13:18 |
| IdleOne | I would like the speed dial page to load on startup though | 13:19 |
| IdleOne | hahha on windows I wouldnt have known that I could install more then one browser | 13:19 |
| Balaams_Miracle | That's easy, go to Tools => Preferences and set "startup" to "Start with blank page" | 13:20 |
| IdleOne | heh why dont they make it a little clearer. Blank page to me means BLANK PAGE | 13:21 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Yeah, i know. | 13:22 |
| Balaams_Miracle | But speeddial is a recent addition. I guess they want to make sure people know about this feature | 13:22 |
| IdleOne | Balaams_Miracle: well it is a really nice feature. soon as I saw it I saw potential for many things | 13:24 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Monitoring your 9 websites? :-)) | 13:24 |
| IdleOne | well that but also being to setup links to network folders would be a nice feature | 13:25 |
| IdleOne | imagine being able to see ftp folders in real time | 13:25 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Never tried that, so i don't know if that's possible (there's a good chance it is, i just don't know) | 13:26 |
| IdleOne | probably can be done I dont see why it would be to hard | 13:26 |
| IdleOne | I need/want/dont want a cigarrette | 13:26 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Hey, i've gotta run now, if there's a question, let me knowq | 13:26 |
| IdleOne | np Balaams_Miracle ty | 13:26 |
| Balaams_Miracle | Later | 13:26 |
| * Balaams_Miracle is AFK | 13:26 | |
| IdleOne | later | 13:26 |
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| WorkingOnWise | what is the command to be able to control the cpu speed with gnome powermanager? | 17:08 |
| masquerade | heh, things just seem to get more broken with time :) | 17:30 |
| WorkingOnWise | break it often, break it early! | 17:31 |
| * masquerade believes in breaking | 17:31 | |
| masquerade | but I also believing in fixing what you've broken, not leaving it broken for weeks on end :) | 17:31 |
| WorkingOnWise | i'm getting old...waiting for the second beta be4 i install Hardy...wanna baby my first non-Windows lappy :) | 17:32 |
| WorkingOnWise | I'm not really up to speed with Hardy...is x still broke from last week? | 17:35 |
| masquerade | yeah | 17:36 |
| masquerade | just now its telling me it wants to uninstall gdm too :) | 17:36 |
| Skiessi | why nvidia-glx doesn't get updated to work with xserver-xorg-core? | 17:49 |
| Skiessi | *with the new xserver-xorg-core? | 17:50 |
| DRtuxthepenguin | will kde hardy have kde4 | 18:07 |
| DRtuxthepenguin | !rtfm | 18:07 |
| ubotu | Acronyms or statements like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period. | 18:07 |
| Tm_T | DRtuxthepenguin: not as default | 18:11 |
| DRtuxthepenguin | is hardy out yet | 18:16 |
| DRtuxthepenguin | alpha 1 | 18:16 |
| Tm_T | no | 18:16 |
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| dgimse | is the hardy heron a different favor of ubuntu? | 23:01 |
| dgimse | flavor | 23:01 |
| jussi01 | dgimse: hardy heron is the next version, like gutsy gibbon is the current one | 23:13 |
| jussi01 | ie. hardy heron 8.04 | 23:13 |
| dgimse | ah thank you for the information | 23:14 |
| jussi01 | :) | 23:15 |
| dgimse | i'm new to linux ubuntu and trying to find out how to compile source code and it is very interesting after i read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware?highlight=%28compiling%29%7C%28software%29#head-477e153e9ef5a246d087577ea46a03afa66d32ca | 23:16 |
| dgimse | wish me luck | 23:16 |
| hydrogen | probably the wrong channel.. | 23:17 |
| jussi01 | dgimse: try #ubuntu | 23:17 |
| dgimse | i did | 23:17 |
| jussi01 | dgimse: and? | 23:17 |
| dgimse | and i was refered to gutsy+1 chanel | 23:18 |
| jussi01 | dgimse: this is for hardy, | 23:18 |
| dgimse | i know | 23:18 |
| jussi01 | dgimse: #ubuntu is the right place, someone was a little misleading by the sound of it | 23:18 |
| dgimse | i'm on that channel now | 23:18 |
| jussi01 | dgimse: Im there too, ask your questions :) | 23:19 |
| dgimse | k | 23:19 |
| crimsun | pulseaudio 0.9.7 tested and uploaded. | 23:44 |
| crimsun | it contains new binary packages, so it won't be upgradable until next week. | 23:44 |
| RAOF | crimsun: 0.9.7 does per-stream volume that persists across restarts, right? | 23:45 |
| crimsun | some caveats: on certain HDA codecs, using gnome-settings-daemon with pulseaudio can cause a kernel OOPS. This is known and being investigated [but obviously is unrelated to PA]. | 23:45 |
| * RAOF will almost certainly have one of those HDA codecs :( | 23:46 | |
| crimsun | (I've confirmed the above OOPS on ALSA 1.0.15 as included with Linux 2.6.24-rc3.) | 23:46 |
| crimsun | I have not thoroughly tested the HDA codecs, but it seems only Conexant HDA codecs are affected. | 23:46 |
| crimsun | (This implies that most Dells, Apple Macbooks, and Toshibas should be immune.) | 23:47 |
| crimsun | caveats continued: it's a really good idea to configure System> Preferences> Sound to use the pulseaudio mixer playback element instead of the default ALSA one. | 23:48 |
| RAOF | Any particular reason? | 23:48 |
| Toma- | So pulseaudio is going to be the default sound server? | 23:49 |
| crimsun | yet more caveats: if you're currently using the "perfect setup" from pulseaudio.org, you'll likely notice that Hardy lacks the fixed libflashsupport. We're addressing this RSN. | 23:49 |
| crimsun | still more caveats: alsa-plugins 1.0.15 has not been merged yet (well, I have locally but am waiting til pulseaudio builds). You'll need this new version of the alsa-lib pulse plugin. | 23:50 |
| crimsun | and finally one more caveat: we're not responsible if your kittens are eaten. That is all. | 23:50 |
| RAOF | Heh. So basically "lookout, pulseaudio users! I'm about to break your setup for the space of a couple of builds" :) | 23:50 |
| crimsun | RAOF: yes to per-stream restoration. Better mixer control for S>P>S. | 23:52 |
| crimsun | Toma-: it looks that way, but the ultimate call is the desktop team's. I'm just helping get the major pieces in place for evaluation. | 23:52 |
| Toma- | I see. | 23:52 |
| RAOF | crimsun: Awesome. That makes my lack of actual ability to do global volume changes less urgent ;) | 23:53 |
| Toma- | I think Ill get alot more involved with the testing cycle with heron then :) | 23:53 |
| crimsun | there are a slew of updates in the pipe: newer pa* utilities, better configuration management (asoundrc, etc.), and tighter pasuspend integration so people doing "serious audio stuff" won't get left in the cold. | 23:54 |
| Toma- | thats good :) | 23:54 |
| crimsun | siretart and I discussed having jack-audio-connection-kit re-promoted into main, which would allow us to have pulseaudio source generate the much improved jack plugin. | 23:55 |
| crimsun | the pasuspend stuff is mostly useful for people who want to use alsa-lib directly | 23:56 |
| crimsun | likely also useful for gamers who are uber-concerned with ... whatever they're concerned with. | 23:56 |
| Toma- | Do either have a wrapper from alsa/oss? i mean, I know that jack needs the program to be specifically compiled to support jack output. is it the same with pulse? | 23:56 |
| crimsun | pulseaudio does include padsp, which is similar to aoss. | 23:56 |
| Toma- | ahh right | 23:57 |
| crimsun | then again, that's a use case for pasuspend | 23:57 |
| crimsun | e.g., pasuspend skype | 23:57 |
| Toma- | mmm. | 23:57 |
| Toma- | fair enough for us that know how to use a terminal, but what about my grandma? | 23:58 |
| crimsun | that will depend on the degree of PA integration into the desktop | 23:58 |
| Toma- | ahh i see now | 23:59 |
| crimsun | we could whitelist specific apps once it has been decided that PA is, in fact, default | 23:59 |
| crimsun | "whitelist" -> whitelist for pasuspend | 23:59 |
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