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| Cimi | kwwii, a dark theme using clearlooks http://gnomelook.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/69913-1.jpg | 14:30 |
| Cimi | maybe we could ship this as an alternate dark theme to the light one | 14:30 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: You have to think about disk size and support. | 14:46 |
| Cimi | ? | 14:46 |
| _MMA_ | Also, how does that theme work with Firefox, OO.o and Gnome-control-center? Theres are issues we have with Ubuntu Studio. | 14:46 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, obviusly a dark theme won't NEVER be ready for a default desktop theme | 14:47 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Shipping multiple themes adds to the disk size. They are really tight now. And adding another theme will gemerate more theme-related bug-reports. | 14:47 |
| Cimi | but as an alternative | 14:47 |
| Cimi | to the guys that code | 14:48 |
| Cimi | than develop most of the day | 14:48 |
| Cimi | etc etc | 14:48 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Once the design direction is settled I think its best to have the people that want to help, work on the main idea/theme that working on alternatives. There's so much work to be done most people dont even realize. :( | 14:51 |
| Cimi | I've rewritten the murrine code actually | 14:52 |
| Cimi | it's a lot moe polished and bug-free | 14:52 |
| Cimi | *more | 14:52 |
| Cimi | I've an svn repository | 14:52 |
| _MMA_ | And while people are putting out cool examples I am pessimistic as to how many will really help. :( | 14:52 |
| Cimi | http://viewvc.intilinux.com/viewvc.cgi/cimi/murrine/ | 14:52 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Cool. Ill have our guy update. | 14:53 |
| Cimi | http://viewvc.intilinux.com/viewvc.cgi/cimi/murrine/ChangeLog?revision=19&view=markup | 14:53 |
| Cimi | here's the current changelog between 0.53.1 | 14:53 |
| * _MMA_ looks. | 14:54 | |
| andreasn | kwwii: ping | 15:03 |
| _MMA_ | Hi andreasn. | 15:10 |
| andreasn | hi! | 15:12 |
| andreasn | what's up? | 15:12 |
| _MMA_ | Not much. Trying not to get sicked into Ubuntu work. ;) | 15:13 |
| _MMA_ | *sucked | 15:13 |
| _MMA_ | Trying to just enjoy the Saturday. | 15:14 |
| andreasn | :) | 15:17 |
| rexbron | Cimi: Ping | 15:17 |
| Cimi | rexbron, pong | 15:21 |
| rexbron | Cimi: _MMA_ pointed out that the 0.6 changelog has been commited to svn, is there an eta on an official tarball? | 15:22 |
| rexbron | for murrine | 15:22 |
| Cimi | nothing now | 15:22 |
| Cimi | but when I'll make a make distcheck there will be the tarball | 15:23 |
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| kwwii | re | 16:25 |
| kwwii | hi Cimi | 16:26 |
| kwwii | Cimi: what is the name of that dark theme, I would like to try it out | 16:27 |
| kwwii | looks like I get to read up on the art list tonight | 16:28 |
| kwwii | missed a lot sleeping all day :p | 16:28 |
| _MMA_ | :) | 16:30 |
| Cimi | kwwii, did you read my second email? | 17:13 |
| kwwii | Cimi: yeah, just read it...I'll see what I can do - I imagine we can work something out | 17:50 |
| Cimi | kwwii, I've in mind the idea of adding a second style for murrine where the user can specify the gradients of every widget | 17:53 |
| Cimi | something like | 17:53 |
| Cimi | top_highlight_ratio = 1.1 | 17:53 |
| Cimi | center_highlight_ratio = 1.0 | 17:53 |
| Cimi | bottom_highlight_ratio = 0.9 | 17:54 |
| kwwii | Cimi: wow, that sounds like a good idea if done properly...where would the colors come from? | 17:54 |
| Cimi | the colors are gtkrc colors | 17:54 |
| Cimi | bg[normall] etc etc | 17:54 |
| kwwii | right | 17:54 |
| kwwii | I gotta eat dinner now, but I will be back in a bit | 17:54 |
| Cimi | the ratio is read by cairo to enlight them | 17:54 |
| Cimi | ok | 17:55 |
| kwwii | re | 18:48 |
| Cimi | we | 18:50 |
| Viper550 | So, they say there are plans for Gobuntu's artwork, right? | 22:14 |
| _MMA_ | Viper550: Kinda slow on the weekends but yes, I think its up for submissions. | 22:17 |
| Viper550 | I was told there was already plans...let me check | 22:18 |
| Viper550 | _MMA_ http://bay01.imagebay.com/_upload/img/23/gobuntugreenwip.jpg | 22:22 |
| _MMA_ | Whats that? | 22:23 |
| Cimi | Aurora engine is too slow for a desktop proposal | 22:23 |
| Cimi | it is the slowest engine ever written :) | 22:24 |
| Viper550 | my idea for a possible look for Gobuntu. We can use ClearLooks too | 22:24 |
| _MMA_ | Viper550: kwwii will be the best guy to talk to. | 22:24 |
| Cimi | Clearlooks has exactly the same look (with better scrollbars) and 200% speed | 22:24 |
| Viper550 | yeah, looks smoother | 22:24 |
| Cimi | exactly | 22:24 |
| Viper550 | Not Ubuntulooks, personally, I think we should give ClearLooks another try in a Gnome-based Ubuntu | 22:25 |
| Viper550 | Though, is Xubuntu using the new gloss mode for Clearlooks? | 22:26 |
| Cimi | personally, I've spent more time when developing Cleralooks for gnome 2.20 than what I've done for my murrine engine | 22:26 |
| Cimi | Viper550, it is using murrine | 22:26 |
| Cimi | btw | 22:26 |
| Viper550 | Oh, cool | 22:26 |
| Cimi | the glossy I've added to clearlooks | 22:26 |
| _MMA_ | We really have to wait until kwwii has his meeting with Mark. We'll know what we can do after that. | 22:26 |
| Cimi | is using similar gradients to the one I've added to murrine | 22:26 |
| Viper550 | no wonder it suspicially looked alot like that | 22:27 |
| Viper550 | also, I was thinking a different wallpaper obviously. | 22:27 |
| Cimi | Viper550, I'm the copyright owner of murrine so I can do what I like :D | 22:28 |
| Viper550 | I know, and it's GPL | 22:28 |
| Viper550 | Have you seen that new Nodoka one? | 22:32 |
| Cimi | you mean murrine 0.53.1 with a different name? | 22:32 |
| Viper550 | really? | 22:33 |
| Cimi | yes | 22:33 |
| Cimi | take the nodoka theme | 22:34 |
| Cimi | change the engine to murrine | 22:34 |
| Cimi | and you'll have a similar theme | 22:34 |
| Cimi | (better looking) | 22:34 |
| Cimi | (without the ugly progressbars) | 22:34 |
| Cimi | the code is 99% the same | 22:34 |
| Cimi | with a different name | 22:35 |
| Cimi | replace "murrine" "nodoka" | 22:35 |
| Viper550 | oh. | 22:35 |
| Viper550 | I didn't know that, looks like Murrine but with a bit more of a ClearLooks like style. | 22:35 |
| _MMA_ | Viper550: Funny thing is you can do just that in a gtkrc file. | 22:36 |
| Viper550 | really....? wow. | 22:36 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. Ill get you the example a guy from Ars showed me at UDS. | 22:37 |
| lukeen | Cimi: murrine is based on clearlooks, isn't it? | 22:37 |
| Viper550 | murrine is based off candido, which I think was based off clearlooks | 22:38 |
| lukeen | so what is nodoka based on/off? | 22:38 |
| Viper550 | nodoka is based off murrine | 22:38 |
| Viper550 | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/MartinSourada he did explain his rationale though | 22:39 |
| _MMA_ | Viper550: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/08/21/how-to-make-a-gtk-theme-that-uses-multiple-theme-engines | 22:41 |
| Cimi | Viper550, I'm the creator of Candido, Murrine and Clearlooks (since 2.18 but expecially 2.20 as you can see the improvements) | 22:42 |
| lukeen | ok, so the author said it IS based on murrine. well i've read much about nodoka but i never read the word murrine. after reading cimis words here i thought the nodoka author did NOT give credit and such... | 22:42 |
| Viper550 | Also, I do love that new feature of being able to specify your own colors for GTK themes in the Appearance menu, it's awesome | 22:43 |
| lukeen | Cimi: you did a great job for gnome, but this nodoka guy was in the news, why didn't you? | 22:43 |
| Cimi | in which news? | 22:44 |
| Cimi | you mean gnome 2.20 release notes? | 22:44 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: I think what we "see" are "changes" to Clearlooks. I'm sure there are "improvements" under the hood though. ;) | 22:44 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, what do you mean? | 22:45 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: That personally I dont like the "look" of the newer Clearlooks. I like your work on Murrine better but Im sure "code-wise" Clearlooks has "improved". | 22:46 |
| lukeen | Cimi: i've read much about nodoka theme on news sites (i don't remember which, but distrowatch for example) but i saw your name only because of your engines or on the gnome devel sites... | 22:47 |
| Cimi | I'm not interested in fame :) | 22:50 |
| lukeen | :) ok thats cool ... well, for me you are a gnome-style-hero :D because you made it much more beautiful! i just want to say thank you cimi | 22:50 |
| Cimi | thanks lukeen :) | 22:50 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, the look of newer clearlooks is absolutely amazing. I'm no longer using murrine since april | 22:51 |
| _MMA_ | "amazing" is an opinion. ;) | 22:51 |
| Cimi | btw from a code point of vew | 22:51 |
| Cimi | of course ;) | 22:51 |
| Cimi | and I guess people generally share my ideas | 22:52 |
| Cimi | but I'm not afraid if someone says that Murrine is better :D | 22:52 |
| Cimi | it's a compliment in both cases | 22:52 |
| Cimi | ehehe | 22:52 |
| _MMA_ | The big complaint I heard about the new Clearlooks at UDS was the gradient on the tabs. In the default state I guess. I dont know how much they can be tweaked. | 22:53 |
| lukeen | Cimi: dont become boastful ;) | 22:54 |
| lukeen | well my opinion is: clearlooks is really beautiful now, but, i miss something more unique, you know, something people keep in mind. dont you think? | 22:55 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, wait 1 second | 22:55 |
| Cimi | http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/11/05/nuove-tabs-per-clearlooks-gummy-non-uccidetemi/ | 22:55 |
| Cimi | sorry for the italian | 22:55 |
| Cimi | nodoka or murrine? :) http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6870/schermatakc8.png | 22:57 |
| Viper550 | looks more like Nodoka | 22:57 |
| Viper550 | or maybe you mixed it up | 22:57 |
| Cimi | Viper550, it is murrine with some options in the gtkrc | 22:57 |
| Cimi | you can get the same look | 22:58 |
| Viper550 | gonna experiment with the 2 engines | 22:58 |
| Cimi | Viper550, 1 engine | 22:58 |
| Cimi | the engine is the same with a different name | 22:58 |
| Viper550 | and different default options? | 22:58 |
| Cimi | no | 22:58 |
| Cimi | but for example | 22:59 |
| Cimi | nodoka engine | 22:59 |
| Cimi | ignores the highlight_ratio | 22:59 |
| Cimi | hilight_ratio = 0.909090909 in murrine | 22:59 |
| Cimi | same look | 22:59 |
| Viper550 | oh | 23:00 |
| Cimi | in fact | 23:00 |
| Cimi | it's really hard for me to read | 23:00 |
| Cimi | "So, now I think I know that the differences are too significant to merge with Murrine, we removed a lot of original code and added a lot of ours, the engines went different ways, if we'd try to merge, it would lead to losses in rendering speed." | 23:01 |
| Cimi | too significant? | 23:01 |
| Cimi | "and added a lot of ours" | 23:01 |
| Cimi | wtf???? | 23:01 |
| _MMA_ | lol. Cimi. I was gonna ask exactly that. The "hilight_ratio" thing. For Hardy we're going for a flatter look but I wanted to still use Murrine. | 23:01 |
| Viper550 | even THAT confuses me. maybe "ours" in his own? | 23:01 |
| Cimi | lol | 23:01 |
| Cimi | i haven't received NOTHING | 23:02 |
| Cimi | NO EMAILS FROM HIM | 23:02 |
| Cimi | NO ONE | 23:02 |
| Cimi | nothing as | 23:02 |
| Cimi | "thanks for murrine" | 23:02 |
| Cimi | nothing | 23:02 |
| Cimi | nothing | 23:02 |
| Cimi | nothing | 23:02 |
| _MMA_ | Well email their list explaining it all and see what they say. | 23:02 |
| Cimi | I'm really bad in english... | 23:03 |
| _MMA_ | At the very least its yet another package they have to needlessly maintain. | 23:03 |
| Cimi | I will probably eplain it with wrong words | 23:03 |
| Viper550 | also, where the heck are the distro packages on your site? I can't find them | 23:03 |
| Cimi | causing them to hate or blame me :) | 23:03 |
| Viper550 | I use Gutsy | 23:03 |
| Viper550 | nm | 23:04 |
| Cimi | packages for what? | 23:04 |
| Viper550 | it's in universe! yay! | 23:04 |
| Viper550 | murrine | 23:04 |
| Cimi | yes | 23:04 |
| Cimi | rexbron package it | 23:04 |
| _MMA_ | Yeah. We'll get it updated to .60 soon. | 23:05 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, would you like to help me to write the right words for nodoka guys? | 23:05 |
| _MMA_ | Hmm... :) Ok. Write up something and we'll go from there. | 23:06 |
| Viper550 | also, do the themes on your site support Gnome's new custom color support? | 23:06 |
| Cimi | ;) | 23:06 |
| Cimi | Viper550, no one | 23:06 |
| Viper550 | You know how to use that? | 23:06 |
| Cimi | I expect murrine 0.60 to have the colorscheme support | 23:06 |
| _MMA_ | You could simple send a email to their list asking why and explain that their changes were unneeded. Showing examples. | 23:06 |
| Cimi | Viper550, of course | 23:06 |
| Cimi | we are now working to implement the colorscheme support | 23:07 |
| _MMA_ | *simply | 23:07 |
| Cimi | like in kde for example | 23:07 |
| Cimi | various colorschemes for each theme | 23:07 |
| Viper550 | I mean, in the appearance properties on Gnome 2.20, you can specify custom colors without having to hack into the file. | 23:07 |
| Viper550 | most of the colors are now "aliases", and can be changed by the user | 23:08 |
| Cimi | I perfectly now | 23:08 |
| Cimi | I'm writing themes everyday :) | 23:08 |
| lukeen | color sheme support is absolutely necessary IMHO | 23:08 |
| Cimi | http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1431/schemesrp3.png | 23:09 |
| Cimi | this is a screenshot from the guy who is implementing it | 23:09 |
| lukeen | will this saved shemes be global? or per theme? | 23:09 |
| Viper550 | global, you can also have a default color scheme per theme | 23:10 |
| Cimi | per theme | 23:10 |
| Cimi | no | 23:10 |
| Cimi | per theme | 23:10 |
| lukeen | very cool | 23:10 |
| Cimi | it's a choice | 23:10 |
| Cimi | you can add | 23:10 |
| Cimi | colorscheme.ini | 23:10 |
| Cimi | into your theme | 23:10 |
| Cimi | and the schemes specified | 23:10 |
| Viper550 | oh | 23:11 |
| Cimi | will be listed into the combobox you can see on the right | 23:11 |
| _MMA_ | And Murrine .6 will support this? | 23:11 |
| Viper550 | so you're going beyond what Ubuntu has right now...awesome! | 23:11 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, this is a gtk/gnome things | 23:11 |
| Cimi | also murrine/nodoka will support it | 23:11 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Thats what I asked. | 23:11 |
| Cimi | every engine | 23:11 |
| Cimi | except the pixpuf | 23:11 |
| Cimi | *pixbuf | 23:12 |
| Cimi | you just need a gtkrc with colorscheme support | 23:12 |
| Viper550 | and a version of Gnome with that option inside the Appearance settings | 23:12 |
| * _MMA_ makes a note to add this to his Ubuntu Studio's gtkrc. | 23:13 | |
| _MMA_ | Viper550: Its already in Ubuntu. | 23:13 |
| Viper550 | Gutsy? | 23:13 |
| Cimi | no | 23:13 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, in the screenhot | 23:13 |
| Viper550 | oh so this is for Hardy? | 23:13 |
| Cimi | there's a combobox | 23:13 |
| _MMA_ | NO! | 23:13 |
| Cimi | Viper550, yes | 23:13 |
| Viper550 | Okay...can't wait! Makes sense to launch it on Hardy | 23:14 |
| _MMA_ | Viper550: Its in Gutsy now. Not all engines support it. | 23:14 |
| Cimi | gutsy has gnome 2.20 | 23:14 |
| _MMA_ | And? | 23:14 |
| Cimi | it only support colorscheme | 23:14 |
| Cimi | not the one I've just linked to viper | 23:14 |
| Cimi | with a lot of colorschemes for each theme | 23:14 |
| Cimi | did you see the combobox on the right? | 23:15 |
| lukeen | this will get into 2.22? | 23:15 |
| Cimi | sure | 23:15 |
| lukeen | k | 23:15 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, I'm thinking to add a new style for murrine | 23:15 |
| Cimi | which will be much more custimizable | 23:15 |
| _MMA_ | Viper550: Are asking for "Global" support or "per theme"? | 23:16 |
| Cimi | if mark will support the development I will take a look into it | 23:16 |
| Viper550 | Global support could be nice, and per theme would be good too | 23:16 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, for example | 23:16 |
| _MMA_ | Viper550: Global support is there now. | 23:16 |
| Cimi | I want to add ability to specify single gradient capability | 23:17 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Do what you want. Dont base you decision on what Mark wants. | 23:17 |
| Viper550 | so there's like a .colors or something? | 23:17 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, I must follow mark's decisions | 23:17 |
| _MMA_ | ? | 23:17 |
| _MMA_ | No you dont. | 23:17 |
| _MMA_ | Why? :) | 23:18 |
| Cimi | kwwii said this to me | 23:18 |
| Cimi | he said me and him will follow mark's decisions | 23:18 |
| _MMA_ | lol. No. Trust me. They might ask yo uto add things but you arent bound by anything. | 23:18 |
| _MMA_ | Unless he's paying you for development. :) | 23:19 |
| Cimi | in fact | 23:19 |
| Cimi | I will help him if he will pay me :) | 23:19 |
| Cimi | he payed for the human icons | 23:20 |
| _MMA_ | Sure, but you arent bound by anything so add the features you want. | 23:20 |
| _MMA_ | Viper550: Global support is there: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Screenshot.png | 23:20 |
| Cimi | I think more gradient support for murrine will be amazing | 23:20 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. Id like to see it. | 23:20 |
| Viper550 | uhh, I mean be able to not have themes specify custom color schemes, but have a "global pool" of presets like on KDE | 23:21 |
| Cimi | but at the same time I can't work for days and weeks for free | 23:21 |
| Cimi | just for him | 23:21 |
| _MMA_ | Sure. Thing is since we're syncing the package from Debian now we have to update sooner and the version will be harder to update. | 23:22 |
| _MMA_ | If it were a Ubuntu package it would give us more time. | 23:22 |
| Cimi | what do you mean with it? | 23:24 |
| Cimi | I lost the connection between murrine, money for development, and debian :D | 23:24 |
| _MMA_ | "_MMA_: Sure. Thing is since we're syncing the package from Debian now we have to update sooner and the version will be harder to update. | 23:26 |
| _MMA_ | _MMA_: If it were a Ubuntu package it would give us more time." | 23:26 |
| Viper550 | I was trying to make scrollbar color specified with @fg_color but it didn't work | 23:26 |
| Cimi | Viper550, new murrine version will support it | 23:26 |
| Viper550 | oh | 23:26 |
| Cimi | but gtk version must be bumped up to 2.12 | 23:27 |
| Cimi | so everyone with gnome 2.18 will be out | 23:27 |
| Viper550 | also, I did hack up a "murrine theme" that can use the custom color schemes....sacrificing the scrollbar color support | 23:27 |
| Viper550 | I just took ClearLooks and changed it to the Murrine engine | 23:27 |
| Cimi | Viper550, for scrollbar support specified by bg_selected | 23:28 |
| Cimi | just wait 0.60 | 23:28 |
| Viper550 | Okay | 23:28 |
| Cimi | for the ability to specify your symbolic color | 23:28 |
| Cimi | i.e: | 23:28 |
| Cimi | scrollbar_color = darker (@bg_Selected_color) | 23:29 |
| * _MMA_ sticks with Murrine because he can define 3 colors for tabs. (though this might have been added to Clearlooks. | 23:29 | |
| Cimi | I MUST require gtk 2.12 | 23:29 |
| Cimi | as gtk 2.10 and lower are not supporting symcolic colors in the engine section of the gtkrc | 23:29 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, ? | 23:30 |
| _MMA_ | No sorry. Got that wrong. 1 color for the background. 1 for inactive tab and 1 for active. | 23:31 |
| _MMA_ | Gives me 3 depths. | 23:31 |
| Cimi | same as clearlooks :\ | 23:32 |
| Cimi | btw for a dark theme as ubuntulooks maybe murrine is a good choice | 23:32 |
| _MMA_ | New or old? | 23:32 |
| _MMA_ | ? | 23:32 |
| Cimi | bg[normal] is supported by both | 23:32 |
| Cimi | bg[selected] by both | 23:32 |
| _MMA_ | Bad English. :) | 23:32 |
| Cimi | bg[actiev] by both | 23:32 |
| Cimi | sorry | 23:33 |
| Viper550 | glazestyle 4 is epic. | 23:33 |
| Cimi | I'd like to add the ability do change the upper, mid, mid-lower and lower gradient of all widgets | 23:34 |
| Cimi | then to set the position of the highlight | 23:35 |
| Cimi | for example | 23:35 |
| lukeen | and customizable hilight curves hehe ? | 23:35 |
| Cimi | I can put on the top of the button the glossy effect | 23:35 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Like I said "though this might have been added to Clearlooks." | 23:35 |
| _MMA_ | "New" Clearlooks does this now it looks. "Old" didnt. | 23:35 |
| Cimi | lukeen, this is nearly impossible | 23:35 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, of course, I've added it in april :) | 23:36 |
| lukeen | Cimi: much of hard work, but not impossible ;) | 23:36 |
| Cimi | lukeen, do you have some experience in cairo drawings? | 23:36 |
| lukeen | no | 23:36 |
| Cimi | so | 23:36 |
| Cimi | ;) | 23:36 |
| Cimi | I must blame you | 23:37 |
| Cimi | it's not so simple | 23:37 |
| lukeen | i did not mean it really seriously :) | 23:37 |
| Viper550 | think you could add an option for the ubuntulooks like scrollbars? | 23:38 |
| lukeen | and i sure belief that it's not simple | 23:38 |
| Cimi | Viper550, no | 23:38 |
| Cimi | ubuntulooks is imho ugly from the first to the last widget | 23:38 |
| Cimi | mmm | 23:39 |
| _MMA_ | I dont think Ubuntulooks is gonna be used as alot of talk at UDS mentioned using Murrine. But who knows. | 23:39 |
| Cimi | checkbuttons are nice | 23:39 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, kwwii said to me Murrine was chosen | 23:39 |
| _MMA_ | "Cimi: ubuntulooks is imho ugly from the first to the last widget" <- An example on language differences. (can be seen as mean words) :) | 23:40 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, could you write an email to the fedora lists? :D | 23:41 |
| lukeen | Cimi: what do you think: which engine has cleaner code, which is faster? clearlooks or murrine? | 23:41 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Sure but Mark can always make Ken change his mind. Thats why I said "But who knows?" | 23:41 |
| Cimi | _MMA_, ok | 23:41 |
| _MMA_ | Cimi: Well as I dont know all the details I think you should start the 1st email and I can help revise (better the language) it. | 23:42 |
| Cimi | lukeen, clearner code: Clearlooks | 23:42 |
| Cimi | faster (with flat themes) Murrine | 23:42 |
| Cimi | rounded themes Clearlooks | 23:43 |
| Cimi | but Murrine 0.60 will have a very polished code | 23:43 |
| Cimi | I've spent a day in polishing it | 23:43 |
| lukeen | nice to hear murrine developmet is continuing | 23:43 |
| Cimi | lukeen, I've a subversion repository | 23:44 |
| lukeen | hehe? ;) | 23:44 |
| Cimi | http://viewvc.intilinux.com/viewvc.cgi/cimi/murrine/ | 23:44 |
| Viper550 | how do you make the buttons on Murrine look like the Nonoko ones? | 23:50 |
| Viper550 | I mean nodoka | 23:50 |
| Cimi | hilight_ratio = 0.909090 | 23:51 |
| Cimi | in the murrine options | 23:51 |
| Viper550 | on what button style? | 23:53 |
| Cimi | ? | 23:53 |
| Cimi | eh | 23:53 |
| Cimi | yes | 23:53 |
| Viper550 | nm | 23:53 |
| Cimi | glazestyle = 0 | 23:53 |
| Viper550 | glaze style 1 and that .909090 | 23:53 |
| Cimi | Viper550, seen the magic? :D | 23:55 |
| Viper550 | awesome. | 23:55 |
| Cimi | lol | 23:55 |
| Viper550 | we truly need to re bringup Murrine on ubuntu-artwork mailing list | 23:55 |
| Viper550 | I'm working on a little mockup with this glossy look and the Human colors | 23:56 |
| Cimi | Viper550, there are a lot of improvements in stability | 23:56 |
| Cimi | over 0.53.1 | 23:56 |
| Cimi | in the svn version | 23:56 |
| Viper550 | cool | 23:56 |
| Cimi | in fact | 23:56 |
| _MMA_ | Viper550: Trust me. Its being looked at. | 23:56 |
| Cimi | both ubuntulooks aurora and nodoka | 23:57 |
| Cimi | have leaks | 23:57 |
| Viper550 | I'm going to try modding the only original part of nodoka | 23:57 |
| Cimi | and some malloc problems | 23:57 |
| Viper550 | the metacity | 23:57 |
| Cimi | which imho is really poor =) | 23:57 |
| _MMA_ | Viper550: But I would wait till kwwii has the final word on the direction for making too many mock-ups. | 23:57 |
| Cimi | exaclty | 23:57 |
| Viper550 | I'm just preparing for that moment | 23:57 |
| Cimi | actually it's just a waste of time | 23:57 |
| Cimi | I will expect a lot of forks from murrine 0.60 :D | 23:58 |
| _MMA_ | At UDS we were all sure (including kwwii) that the theme was gonna be orange and black. Now brown is staying in there to some degree. | 23:58 |
| Viper550 | orange and black.....that would have been uber...or better for Ubuntu Studio | 23:59 |
| _MMA_ | Well kwwii made jokes he was gonna steal it. ;) | 23:59 |
| Viper550 | yeah, maybe add it to the repos when Halloween comes around XD | 23:59 |
| _MMA_ | But everyone is free to do whatever. | 23:59 |
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