[05:07] <nothlit> 2
[14:30] <Cimi> kwwii, a dark theme using clearlooks http://gnomelook.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/69913-1.jpg
[14:30] <Cimi> maybe we could ship this as an alternate dark theme to the light one
[14:46] <_MMA_> Cimi: You have to think about disk size and support.
[14:46] <Cimi> ?
[14:46] <_MMA_> Also, how does that theme work with Firefox, OO.o and Gnome-control-center? Theres are issues we have with Ubuntu Studio.
[14:47] <Cimi> _MMA_, obviusly a dark theme won't NEVER be ready for a default desktop theme
[14:47] <_MMA_> Cimi: Shipping multiple themes adds to the disk size. They are really tight now. And adding another theme will gemerate more theme-related bug-reports.
[14:47] <Cimi> but as an alternative
[14:48] <Cimi> to the guys that code
[14:48] <Cimi> than develop most of the day
[14:48] <Cimi> etc etc
[14:51] <_MMA_> Cimi: Once the design direction is settled I think its best to have the people that want to help, work on the main idea/theme that working on alternatives. There's so much work to be done most people dont even realize. :(
[14:52] <Cimi> I've rewritten the murrine code actually
[14:52] <Cimi> it's a lot moe polished and bug-free
[14:52] <Cimi> *more
[14:52] <Cimi> I've an svn repository
[14:52] <_MMA_> And while people are putting out cool examples I am pessimistic as to how many will really help. :(
[14:52] <Cimi> http://viewvc.intilinux.com/viewvc.cgi/cimi/murrine/
[14:53] <_MMA_> Cimi: Cool. Ill have our guy update.
[14:53] <Cimi> http://viewvc.intilinux.com/viewvc.cgi/cimi/murrine/ChangeLog?revision=19&view=markup
[14:53] <Cimi> here's the current changelog between 0.53.1
[14:54]  * _MMA_ looks.
[15:03] <andreasn> kwwii: ping
[15:10] <_MMA_> Hi andreasn.
[15:12] <andreasn> hi!
[15:12] <andreasn> what's up?
[15:13] <_MMA_> Not much. Trying not to get sicked into Ubuntu work. ;)
[15:13] <_MMA_> *sucked
[15:14] <_MMA_> Trying to just enjoy the Saturday.
[15:17] <andreasn> :)
[15:17] <rexbron> Cimi: Ping
[15:21] <Cimi> rexbron, pong
[15:22] <rexbron> Cimi: _MMA_ pointed out that the 0.6 changelog has been commited to svn, is there an eta on an official tarball?
[15:22] <rexbron> for murrine
[15:22] <Cimi> nothing now
[15:23] <Cimi> but when I'll make a make distcheck there will be the tarball
[16:25] <kwwii> re
[16:26] <kwwii> hi Cimi
[16:27] <kwwii> Cimi: what is the name of that dark theme, I would like to try it out
[16:28] <kwwii> looks like I get to read up on the art list tonight
[16:28] <kwwii> missed a lot sleeping all day :p
[16:30] <_MMA_> :)
[17:13] <Cimi> kwwii, did you read my second email?
[17:50] <kwwii> Cimi: yeah, just read it...I'll see what I can do - I imagine we can work something out
[17:53] <Cimi> kwwii, I've in mind the idea of adding a second style for murrine where the user can specify the gradients of every widget
[17:53] <Cimi> something like
[17:53] <Cimi> top_highlight_ratio = 1.1
[17:53] <Cimi> center_highlight_ratio = 1.0
[17:54] <Cimi> bottom_highlight_ratio = 0.9
[17:54] <kwwii> Cimi: wow, that sounds like a good idea if done properly...where would the colors come from?
[17:54] <Cimi> the colors are gtkrc colors
[17:54] <Cimi> bg[normall] etc etc
[17:54] <kwwii> right
[17:54] <kwwii> I gotta eat dinner now, but I will be back in a bit
[17:54] <Cimi> the ratio is read by cairo to enlight them
[17:55] <Cimi> ok
[18:48] <kwwii> re
[18:50] <Cimi> we
[22:14] <Viper550> So, they say there are plans for Gobuntu's artwork, right?
[22:17] <_MMA_> Viper550: Kinda slow on the weekends but yes, I think its up for submissions.
[22:18] <Viper550> I was told there was already plans...let me check
[22:22] <Viper550> _MMA_ http://bay01.imagebay.com/_upload/img/23/gobuntugreenwip.jpg
[22:23] <_MMA_> Whats that?
[22:23] <Cimi> Aurora engine is too slow for a desktop proposal
[22:24] <Cimi> it is the slowest engine ever written :)
[22:24] <Viper550> my idea for a possible look for Gobuntu. We can use ClearLooks too
[22:24] <_MMA_> Viper550: kwwii will be the best guy to talk to.
[22:24] <Cimi> Clearlooks has exactly the same look (with better scrollbars) and 200% speed
[22:24] <Viper550> yeah, looks smoother
[22:24] <Cimi> exactly
[22:25] <Viper550> Not Ubuntulooks, personally, I think we should give ClearLooks another try in a Gnome-based Ubuntu
[22:26] <Viper550> Though, is Xubuntu using the new gloss mode for Clearlooks?
[22:26] <Cimi> personally, I've spent more time when developing Cleralooks for gnome 2.20 than what I've done for my murrine engine
[22:26] <Cimi> Viper550, it is using murrine
[22:26] <Cimi> btw
[22:26] <Viper550> Oh, cool
[22:26] <Cimi> the glossy I've added to clearlooks
[22:26] <_MMA_> We really have to wait until kwwii has his meeting with Mark. We'll know what we can do after that.
[22:26] <Cimi> is using similar gradients to the one I've added to murrine
[22:27] <Viper550> no wonder it suspicially looked alot like that
[22:27] <Viper550> also, I was thinking a different wallpaper obviously.
[22:28] <Cimi> Viper550, I'm the copyright owner of murrine so I can do what I like :D
[22:28] <Viper550> I know, and it's GPL
[22:32] <Viper550> Have you seen that new Nodoka one?
[22:32] <Cimi> you mean murrine 0.53.1 with a different name?
[22:33] <Viper550> really?
[22:33] <Cimi> yes
[22:34] <Cimi> take the nodoka theme
[22:34] <Cimi> change the engine to murrine
[22:34] <Cimi> and you'll have a similar theme
[22:34] <Cimi> (better looking)
[22:34] <Cimi> (without the ugly progressbars)
[22:34] <Cimi> the code is 99% the same
[22:35] <Cimi> with a different name
[22:35] <Cimi> replace "murrine" "nodoka"
[22:35] <Viper550> oh.
[22:35] <Viper550> I didn't know that, looks like Murrine but with a bit more of a ClearLooks like style.
[22:36] <_MMA_> Viper550: Funny thing is you can do just that in a gtkrc file.
[22:36] <Viper550> really....? wow.
[22:37] <_MMA_> Yeah. Ill get you the example a guy from Ars showed me at UDS.
[22:37] <lukeen> Cimi: murrine is based on clearlooks, isn't it?
[22:38] <Viper550> murrine is based off candido, which I think was based off clearlooks
[22:38] <lukeen> so what is nodoka based on/off?
[22:38] <Viper550> nodoka is based off murrine
[22:39] <Viper550> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Interviews/MartinSourada he did explain his rationale though
[22:41] <_MMA_> Viper550: http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/08/21/how-to-make-a-gtk-theme-that-uses-multiple-theme-engines
[22:42] <Cimi> Viper550, I'm the creator of Candido, Murrine and Clearlooks (since 2.18 but expecially 2.20 as you can see the improvements)
[22:42] <lukeen> ok, so the author said it IS based on murrine. well i've read much about nodoka but i never read the word murrine. after reading cimis words here i thought the nodoka author did NOT give credit and such...
[22:43] <Viper550> Also, I do love that new feature of being able to specify your own colors for GTK themes in the Appearance menu, it's awesome
[22:43] <lukeen> Cimi: you did a great job for gnome, but this nodoka guy was in the news, why didn't you?
[22:44] <Cimi> in which news?
[22:44] <Cimi> you mean gnome 2.20 release notes?
[22:44] <_MMA_> Cimi: I think what we "see" are "changes" to Clearlooks. I'm sure there are "improvements" under the hood though. ;)
[22:45] <Cimi> _MMA_, what do you mean?
[22:46] <_MMA_> Cimi: That personally I dont like the "look" of the newer Clearlooks. I like your work on Murrine better but Im sure "code-wise" Clearlooks has "improved".
[22:47] <lukeen> Cimi: i've read much about nodoka theme on news sites (i don't remember which, but distrowatch for example) but i saw your name only because of your engines or on the gnome devel sites...
[22:50] <Cimi> I'm not interested in fame :)
[22:50] <lukeen> :) ok thats cool ...  well, for me you are a gnome-style-hero :D because you made it much more beautiful! i just want to say thank you cimi
[22:50] <Cimi> thanks lukeen  :)
[22:51] <Cimi> _MMA_, the look of newer clearlooks is absolutely amazing. I'm no longer using murrine since april
[22:51] <_MMA_> "amazing" is an opinion. ;)
[22:51] <Cimi> btw from a code point of vew
[22:51] <Cimi> of course ;)
[22:52] <Cimi> and I guess people generally share my ideas
[22:52] <Cimi> but I'm not afraid if someone says that Murrine is better :D
[22:52] <Cimi> it's a compliment in both cases
[22:52] <Cimi> ehehe
[22:53] <_MMA_> The big complaint I heard about the new Clearlooks at UDS was the gradient on the tabs. In the default state I guess. I dont know how much they can be tweaked.
[22:54] <lukeen> Cimi: dont become boastful ;)
[22:55] <lukeen> well my opinion is: clearlooks is really beautiful now, but, i miss something more unique, you know, something people keep in mind. dont you think?
[22:55] <Cimi> _MMA_, wait 1 second
[22:55] <Cimi> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/11/05/nuove-tabs-per-clearlooks-gummy-non-uccidetemi/
[22:55] <Cimi> sorry for the italian
[22:57] <Cimi> nodoka or murrine? :) http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6870/schermatakc8.png
[22:57] <Viper550> looks more like Nodoka
[22:57] <Viper550> or maybe you mixed it up
[22:57] <Cimi> Viper550, it is murrine with some options in the gtkrc
[22:58] <Cimi> you can get the same look
[22:58] <Viper550> gonna experiment with the 2 engines
[22:58] <Cimi> Viper550, 1 engine
[22:58] <Cimi> the engine is the same with a different name
[22:58] <Viper550> and different default options?
[22:58] <Cimi> no
[22:59] <Cimi> but for example
[22:59] <Cimi> nodoka engine
[22:59] <Cimi> ignores the highlight_ratio
[22:59] <Cimi> hilight_ratio  = 0.909090909 in murrine
[22:59] <Cimi> same look
[23:00] <Viper550> oh
[23:00] <Cimi> in fact
[23:00] <Cimi> it's really hard for me to read
[23:01] <Cimi> "So, now I think I know that the differences are too significant to merge with Murrine, we removed a lot of original code and added a lot of ours, the engines went different ways, if we'd try to merge, it would lead to losses in rendering speed."
[23:01] <Cimi> too significant?
[23:01] <Cimi> "and added a lot of ours"
[23:01] <Cimi> wtf????
[23:01] <_MMA_> lol. Cimi. I was gonna ask exactly that. The "hilight_ratio" thing. For Hardy we're going for a flatter look but I wanted to still use Murrine.
[23:01] <Viper550> even THAT confuses me. maybe "ours" in his own?
[23:01] <Cimi> lol
[23:02] <Cimi> i haven't received NOTHING
[23:02] <Cimi> NO EMAILS FROM HIM
[23:02] <Cimi> NO ONE
[23:02] <Cimi> nothing as
[23:02] <Cimi> "thanks for murrine"
[23:02] <Cimi> nothing
[23:02] <Cimi> nothing
[23:02] <Cimi> nothing
[23:02] <_MMA_> Well email their list explaining it all and see what they say.
[23:03] <Cimi> I'm really bad in english...
[23:03] <_MMA_> At the very least its yet another package they have to needlessly maintain.
[23:03] <Cimi> I will probably eplain it with wrong words
[23:03] <Viper550> also, where the heck are the distro packages on your site? I can't find them
[23:03] <Cimi> causing them to hate or blame me :)
[23:03] <Viper550> I use Gutsy
[23:04] <Viper550> nm
[23:04] <Cimi> packages for what?
[23:04] <Viper550> it's in universe! yay!
[23:04] <Viper550> murrine
[23:04] <Cimi> yes
[23:04] <Cimi> rexbron package it
[23:05] <_MMA_> Yeah. We'll get it updated to .60 soon.
[23:05] <Cimi> _MMA_, would you like to help me to write the right words for nodoka guys?
[23:06] <_MMA_> Hmm... :) Ok. Write up something and we'll go from there.
[23:06] <Viper550> also, do the themes on your site support Gnome's new custom color support?
[23:06] <Cimi> ;)
[23:06] <Cimi> Viper550, no one
[23:06] <Viper550> You know how to use that?
[23:06] <Cimi> I expect murrine 0.60 to have the colorscheme support
[23:06] <_MMA_> You could simple send a email to their list asking why and explain that their changes were unneeded. Showing examples.
[23:06] <Cimi> Viper550, of course
[23:07] <Cimi> we are now working to implement the colorscheme support
[23:07] <_MMA_> *simply
[23:07] <Cimi> like in kde for example
[23:07] <Cimi> various colorschemes for each theme
[23:07] <Viper550> I mean, in the appearance properties on Gnome 2.20, you can specify custom colors without having to hack into the file.
[23:08] <Viper550> most of the colors are now "aliases", and can be changed by the user
[23:08] <Cimi> I perfectly now
[23:08] <Cimi> I'm writing themes everyday :)
[23:08] <lukeen> color sheme support is absolutely necessary IMHO
[23:09] <Cimi> http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1431/schemesrp3.png
[23:09] <Cimi> this is a screenshot from the guy who is implementing it
[23:09] <lukeen> will this saved shemes be global? or per theme?
[23:10] <Viper550> global, you can also have a default color scheme per theme
[23:10] <Cimi> per theme
[23:10] <Cimi> no
[23:10] <Cimi> per theme
[23:10] <lukeen> very cool
[23:10] <Cimi> it's a choice
[23:10] <Cimi> you can add
[23:10] <Cimi> colorscheme.ini
[23:10] <Cimi> into your theme
[23:10] <Cimi> and the schemes specified
[23:11] <Viper550> oh
[23:11] <Cimi> will be listed into the combobox you can see on the right
[23:11] <_MMA_> And Murrine .6 will support this?
[23:11] <Viper550> so you're going beyond what Ubuntu has right now...awesome!
[23:11] <Cimi> _MMA_, this is a gtk/gnome things
[23:11] <Cimi> also murrine/nodoka will support it
[23:11] <_MMA_> Cimi: Thats what I asked.
[23:11] <Cimi> every engine
[23:11] <Cimi> except the pixpuf
[23:12] <Cimi> *pixbuf
[23:12] <Cimi> you just need a gtkrc with colorscheme support
[23:12] <Viper550> and a version of Gnome with that option inside the Appearance settings
[23:13]  * _MMA_ makes a note to add this to his Ubuntu Studio's gtkrc.
[23:13] <_MMA_> Viper550: Its already in Ubuntu.
[23:13] <Viper550> Gutsy?
[23:13] <Cimi> no
[23:13] <Cimi> _MMA_, in the screenhot
[23:13] <Viper550> oh so this is for Hardy?
[23:13] <Cimi> there's a combobox
[23:13] <_MMA_> NO!
[23:13] <Cimi> Viper550, yes
[23:14] <Viper550> Okay...can't wait! Makes sense to launch it on Hardy
[23:14] <_MMA_> Viper550: Its in Gutsy now. Not all engines support it.
[23:14] <Cimi> gutsy has gnome 2.20
[23:14] <_MMA_> And?
[23:14] <Cimi> it only support colorscheme
[23:14] <Cimi> not the one I've just linked to viper
[23:14] <Cimi> with a lot of colorschemes for each theme
[23:15] <Cimi> did you see the combobox on the right?
[23:15] <lukeen> this will get into 2.22?
[23:15] <Cimi> sure
[23:15] <lukeen> k
[23:15] <Cimi> _MMA_, I'm thinking to add a new style for murrine
[23:15] <Cimi> which will be much more custimizable
[23:16] <_MMA_> Viper550: Are asking for "Global" support or "per theme"?
[23:16] <Cimi> if mark will support the development I will take a look into it
[23:16] <Viper550> Global support could be nice, and per theme would be good too
[23:16] <Cimi> _MMA_, for example
[23:16] <_MMA_> Viper550: Global support is there now.
[23:17] <Cimi> I want to add ability to specify single gradient capability
[23:17] <_MMA_> Cimi: Do what you want. Dont base you decision on what Mark wants.
[23:17] <Viper550> so there's like a .colors or something?
[23:17] <Cimi> _MMA_, I must follow mark's decisions
[23:17] <_MMA_> ?
[23:17] <_MMA_> No you dont.
[23:18] <_MMA_> Why? :)
[23:18] <Cimi> kwwii said this to me
[23:18] <Cimi> he said me and him will follow mark's decisions
[23:18] <_MMA_> lol. No. Trust me. They might ask yo uto add things but you arent bound by anything.
[23:19] <_MMA_> Unless he's paying you for development. :)
[23:19] <Cimi> in fact
[23:19] <Cimi> I will help him if he will pay me :)
[23:20] <Cimi> he payed for the human icons
[23:20] <_MMA_> Sure, but you arent bound by anything so add the features you want.
[23:20] <_MMA_> Viper550: Global support is there: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Screenshot.png
[23:20] <Cimi> I think more gradient support for murrine will be amazing
[23:20] <_MMA_> Sure. Id like to see it.
[23:21] <Viper550> uhh, I mean be able to not have themes specify custom color schemes, but have a "global pool" of presets like on KDE
[23:21] <Cimi> but at the same time I can't work for days and weeks for free
[23:21] <Cimi> just for him
[23:22] <_MMA_> Sure. Thing is since we're syncing the package from Debian now we have to update sooner and the version will be harder to update.
[23:22] <_MMA_> If it were a Ubuntu package it would give us more time.
[23:24] <Cimi> what do you mean with it?
[23:24] <Cimi> I lost the connection between murrine, money for development, and debian :D
[23:26] <_MMA_> "_MMA_: Sure. Thing is since we're syncing the package from Debian now we have to update sooner and the version will be harder to update.
[23:26] <_MMA_> _MMA_: If it were a Ubuntu package it would give us more time."
[23:26] <Viper550> I was trying to make scrollbar color specified with @fg_color but it didn't work
[23:26] <Cimi> Viper550, new murrine version will support it
[23:26] <Viper550> oh
[23:27] <Cimi> but gtk version must be bumped up to 2.12
[23:27] <Cimi> so everyone with gnome 2.18 will be out
[23:27] <Viper550> also, I did hack up a "murrine theme" that can use the custom color schemes....sacrificing the scrollbar color support
[23:27] <Viper550> I just took ClearLooks and changed it to the Murrine engine
[23:28] <Cimi> Viper550, for scrollbar support specified by bg_selected
[23:28] <Cimi> just wait 0.60
[23:28] <Viper550> Okay
[23:28] <Cimi> for the ability to specify your symbolic color
[23:28] <Cimi> i.e:
[23:29] <Cimi> scrollbar_color = darker (@bg_Selected_color)
[23:29]  * _MMA_ sticks with Murrine because he can define 3 colors for tabs. (though this might have been added to Clearlooks.
[23:29] <Cimi> I MUST require gtk 2.12
[23:29] <Cimi> as gtk 2.10 and lower are not supporting symcolic colors in the engine section of the gtkrc
[23:30] <Cimi> _MMA_, ?
[23:31] <_MMA_> No sorry. Got that wrong. 1 color for the background. 1 for inactive tab and 1 for active.
[23:31] <_MMA_> Gives me 3 depths.
[23:32] <Cimi> same as clearlooks :\
[23:32] <Cimi> btw for a dark theme as ubuntulooks maybe murrine is a good choice
[23:32] <_MMA_> New or old?
[23:32] <_MMA_> ?
[23:32] <Cimi> bg[normal] is supported by both
[23:32] <Cimi> bg[selected] by both
[23:32] <_MMA_> Bad English. :)
[23:32] <Cimi> bg[actiev] by both
[23:33] <Cimi> sorry
[23:33] <Viper550> glazestyle 4 is epic.
[23:34] <Cimi> I'd like to add the ability do change the upper, mid, mid-lower and lower gradient of all widgets
[23:35] <Cimi> then to set the position of the highlight
[23:35] <Cimi> for example
[23:35] <lukeen> and customizable hilight curves hehe ?
[23:35] <Cimi> I can put on the top of the button the glossy effect
[23:35] <_MMA_> Cimi: Like I said "though this might have been added to Clearlooks."
[23:35] <_MMA_> "New" Clearlooks does this now it looks. "Old" didnt.
[23:35] <Cimi> lukeen, this is nearly impossible
[23:36] <Cimi> _MMA_, of course, I've added it in april :)
[23:36] <lukeen> Cimi: much of hard work, but not impossible ;)
[23:36] <Cimi> lukeen, do you have some experience in cairo drawings?
[23:36] <lukeen> no
[23:36] <Cimi> so
[23:36] <Cimi> ;)
[23:37] <Cimi> I must blame you
[23:37] <Cimi> it's not so simple
[23:37] <lukeen> i did not mean it really seriously :)
[23:38] <Viper550> think you could add an option for the ubuntulooks like scrollbars?
[23:38] <lukeen> and i sure belief that it's not simple
[23:38] <Cimi> Viper550, no
[23:38] <Cimi> ubuntulooks is imho ugly from the first to the last widget
[23:39] <Cimi> mmm
[23:39] <_MMA_> I dont think Ubuntulooks is gonna be used as alot of talk at UDS mentioned using Murrine. But who knows.
[23:39] <Cimi> checkbuttons are nice
[23:39] <Cimi> _MMA_, kwwii said to me Murrine was chosen
[23:40] <_MMA_> "Cimi: ubuntulooks is imho ugly from the first to the last widget" <- An example on language differences. (can be seen as mean words) :)
[23:41] <Cimi> _MMA_, could you write an email to the fedora lists? :D
[23:41] <lukeen> Cimi: what do you think: which engine has cleaner code, which is faster? clearlooks or murrine?
[23:41] <_MMA_> Cimi: Sure but Mark can always make Ken change his mind. Thats why I said "But who knows?"
[23:41] <Cimi> _MMA_, ok
[23:42] <_MMA_> Cimi: Well as I dont know all the details I think you should start the 1st email and I can help revise (better the language) it.
[23:42] <Cimi> lukeen, clearner code: Clearlooks
[23:42] <Cimi> faster (with flat themes) Murrine
[23:43] <Cimi> rounded themes Clearlooks
[23:43] <Cimi> but Murrine 0.60 will have a very polished code
[23:43] <Cimi> I've spent a day in polishing it
[23:43] <lukeen> nice to hear murrine developmet is continuing
[23:44] <Cimi> lukeen, I've a subversion repository
[23:44] <lukeen> hehe? ;)
[23:44] <Cimi> http://viewvc.intilinux.com/viewvc.cgi/cimi/murrine/
[23:50] <Viper550> how do you make the buttons on Murrine look like the Nonoko ones?
[23:50] <Viper550> I mean nodoka
[23:51] <Cimi> hilight_ratio = 0.909090
[23:51] <Cimi> in the murrine options
[23:53] <Viper550> on what button style?
[23:53] <Cimi> ?
[23:53] <Cimi> eh
[23:53] <Cimi> yes
[23:53] <Viper550> nm
[23:53] <Cimi> glazestyle = 0
[23:53] <Viper550> glaze style 1 and that .909090
[23:55] <Cimi> Viper550, seen the magic? :D
[23:55] <Viper550> awesome.
[23:55] <Cimi> lol
[23:55] <Viper550> we truly need to re bringup Murrine on ubuntu-artwork mailing list
[23:56] <Viper550> I'm working on a little mockup with this glossy look and the Human colors
[23:56] <Cimi> Viper550, there are a lot of improvements in stability
[23:56] <Cimi> over 0.53.1
[23:56] <Cimi> in the svn version
[23:56] <Viper550> cool
[23:56] <Cimi> in fact
[23:56] <_MMA_> Viper550: Trust me. Its being looked at.
[23:57] <Cimi> both ubuntulooks aurora and nodoka
[23:57] <Cimi> have leaks
[23:57] <Viper550> I'm going to try modding the only original part of nodoka
[23:57] <Cimi> and some malloc problems
[23:57] <Viper550> the metacity
[23:57] <Cimi> which imho is really poor =)
[23:57] <_MMA_> Viper550: But I would wait till kwwii has the final word on the direction for making too many mock-ups.
[23:57] <Cimi> exaclty
[23:57] <Viper550> I'm just preparing for that moment
[23:57] <Cimi> actually it's just a waste of time
[23:58] <Cimi> I will expect a lot of forks from murrine 0.60 :D
[23:58] <_MMA_> At UDS we were all sure (including kwwii) that the theme was gonna be orange and black. Now brown is staying in there to some degree.
[23:59] <Viper550> orange and black.....that would have been uber...or better for Ubuntu Studio
[23:59] <_MMA_> Well kwwii made jokes he was gonna steal it. ;)
[23:59] <Viper550> yeah, maybe add it to the repos when Halloween comes around XD
[23:59] <_MMA_> But everyone is free to do whatever.