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MatBoyand another update today :) it's patch week :D00:02
evil_techi cant get updates for samba00:05
gerrohmm haven't used speakers on this computer in decades and nothing is coming out any ideas how to fix?00:59
umarzukihi01:01
somerville32Have you tried turning up the volume on the application, in the mixer, and on the speaker?01:01
somerville32gerro, ^^ - are they plugged in?01:01
gerroyep its plugged in tried every hole and didn't work so I plugged it back into color coded grey spot01:01
gerropower light is on speakers and volume turned to max on everything01:02
somerville32I thought it was green01:02
gerroeh its faded but I'm sure the colors match01:02
gerrokind of dim in here too01:02
umarzukianyone know any oss business planner app?01:02
somerville32Did you turn up the mixer?01:02
gerroumarzuki: homebank01:02
umarzukii'll try that01:02
umarzukithx01:03
gerrosommerville32: I've tried that pcm, master ,master mono, pc speaker all max01:03
somerville32gerro, What application?01:03
somerville32All apps?01:03
gerrosommerville32: could pc speaker be muted on alsamixer?01:03
gerroyeah all apps01:03
gerroit shows the bar on alsamixer for all them01:03
gerroCreative Labs [SB Live! Value] EMU10k1X is my sound card01:04
umarzukigerro: what i'm looking for is an alternative for Business Plan Pro01:05
umarzukican't afford $9901:05
umarzukithat's kinda the main reason i'm using linux anyway :)01:06
somerville32:)01:07
somerville32umarzuki, Have you searched the repository? :]01:07
umarzukiyep01:07
umarzukitype 'business planner'01:07
umarzukinothing came out01:08
somerville32Where do you type that?01:08
umarzukii'm planning to make a business plan to apply for loan01:08
umarzukiadd remove apps01:09
somerville32Kugar for KDE01:10
somerville32bulmages01:11
umarzukikugar seemed won't work n i can't find bulmages in repo01:16
somerville32You might have to enable KDE services01:16
umarzukihow's that?01:17
somerville32It isn't a good idea to run KDE apps in Xfce anyhow.01:19
umarzukihm..01:20
umarzukiguess i'll have to install kde01:20
somerville32:S01:20
umarzukithx01:20
somerville32Try searching the web for an alternative first.01:20
somerville32KDE is heavy01:20
somerville32Anyhow, I need to go shower01:20
somerville32ttyl01:20
gerrosynaptic...............01:22
Super_BQsomervill!01:23
Super_BQsomerville: my friend is about to go to my place in 20 mins01:23
hvgotcodeshello: is there a wireless network monitor widget for xfce?01:29
jmolek28does anyone know anything about compiz?01:32
cp2how can i change the sound card priorities?01:35
adac2 is truecrypt available from a repository?01:38
Super_BQhow else can I find the local IP address besides using the command ifconfig?01:47
adac2 Super_BQ: whats wrong with ifconfig?01:47
crimsunthe command `ip a`01:47
Super_BQok it's working01:48
cp2how can i change the sound card priorities?..........nobody?01:48
crimsuncp2: asoundconf01:49
crimsuncp2: namely, the set-default-card option, which requires a parameter.01:49
cp2a ha01:50
cp2im trying01:51
cp2but...what's the parameter?01:51
cp2found it01:54
cp2thnx a lot!01:54
aladinsaneAnybody know of a packer/unpacker with GUI that can unpack multiple files (not belonging to the same archive)?Like Winrar in windows.02:23
ader10Gnome mouse tracking sucks, is there a way I can transfer my xfce settings to gnome as well?02:25
Super_BQsomerville32: wake up :)02:29
ir4d0myo03:49
ir4d0mmy limewire will not work when i downlaod it? i mean i download it it is fine.. then i launch it and when i do it appears black white page that never loads03:49
ir4d0mbig whit page*03:50
ir4d0many ideas? or should i jsut get a new p2p server? if so which one?03:50
ir4d0mno1 has an idea?03:52
snerfuI seem to be getting aa 403 forbidden error when trying to access the samba updates, I browsed the security site and I can see the packages there.03:53
snerfuthrough the updater applet.03:53
ir4d0m0.os... well im a linux newb03:54
crimsunsnerfu: see the topic in #ubuntu03:54
snerfuthanks.03:54
ir4d0m0.o03:58
magic_ninjaif i simply run xfce with gdm rather then gnome will i get better performance04:06
voss749Any news on a patch for that thrashing issue?04:23
voss749Anybody awake out there?04:24
Super_BQsomverville!05:27
Super_BQyou there?05:27
Super_BQmy Ubuntu box is back online but I noticed Firestarter got nuked and no PostFix05:29
RandyboYAnyone have any idea about why my xubuntu hang with the wpa security enabled? Could it be the nic? What could i do? Other than use wep...10:41
moodogHi, I can't see anything about it online, but either xfce4 or firefox is pissing me off, every time I open a link firefox is moving to the active desktop :/  Anyone else having the same problem / know of a fix?10:44
TheSheepmoodog: yes, let me find you a link10:51
moodogTheSheep: Thanks, it would appear my google-fu is weak :(10:51
TheSheepmoodog: http://sheep.art.pl/2007-09-08_Firefox_jumping_between_workspaces_in_XFCE10:51
TheSheepmoodog: it's not google-able10:52
TheSheepmoodog: it's in the xfce docs on your computer10:52
moodogAh, of course.10:53
moodogThanks :D10:53
sugardrunki lost my menu on xubuntu...10:55
sugardrunkanyone know how to get it back? :)10:55
TheSheepsugardrunk: alt+f2 and type xfce4-panel10:56
sugardrunkTheSheep, Panel is there...only menu is gone10:56
TheSheepsugardrunk: dapper?10:56
sugardrunkTheSheep, Gutsy10:57
TheSheepsugardrunk: it just disappeared like that?10:57
sugardrunkTheSheep, Not really, after i changed back from FVWM-Crystal10:58
TheSheepsugardrunk: the menu is empty?10:59
sugardrunkTheSheep, it is not there anymore11:00
TheSheepin where?11:00
sugardrunkTheSheep, in the panel11:00
TheSheepthen add it11:00
sugardrunkTheSheep, Dont know how11:00
TheSheepright click on the panel, select 'add new item', scroll down and select 'xfce menu'11:00
RandyboYAnyone have any idea about why my xubuntu hang with the wpa security enabled? Could it be the nic? What could i do? Other than use wep... Especially when rebooting or shutting down it hangs. "Stopping wpa_supplicant interfaces ..."11:01
sugardrunkTheSheep, ok... i guess the panel is messed up because i could not find that... but, i have to check, again11:01
kwhkhi, i just played around File Manager and now my User folder disappeared from the desktop.  How come?  How can i fix it?11:12
ere4sikwhk: right click anywhere on the desktop - choose create launcher then browse to your folder and select11:15
TheSheepkwhk: desktop settings -> behavior -> show iocns for -> home11:15
kwhkTheSheep: i tried. but now on the desktop there are: Trash, Home, File System, plus a folder for my wife.  my folder as the user is missing.11:19
TheSheepkwhk: the Home folder is yours...11:21
kwhkTheSheep: but previously, on the desktop, there's a folder at the top showing my name. the folder was in blue color.11:22
kwhkTheSheep: it wasn't a short cut.11:23
TheSheepkwhk: you can try to go to home/Desktop and see if it's there11:23
TheSheepkwhk: if not, check trash or other folders, maybe you mved it somewhere11:23
kwhkTheSheep: yes, it is there.11:23
TheSheepkwhk: ok, check permissions11:23
kwhkthey look normal.11:25
kwhkTheSheep: in your case, on the desktop, there is a folder in your name, in blue color, right?11:26
TheSheepkwhk: no11:26
TheSheepkwhk: but I don't have standard settings since dapper11:27
TheSheepkwhk: unless you mean the home folder11:27
ere4siI have that icon for my home folder on the desktop - what did you do when "playing around File Manager"?11:29
kwhkTheSheep: ok, thanks, though i dont mean the holder folder.11:29
kwhkere4si: i also got the "Home" folder on my desktop. what i'm trying to say is there was another folder, say "KWHK", on my desktop.11:30
ere4siand where is that folder - /home?11:31
kwhkere4si: on the desktop11:31
ere4siI'm a long way away here :) - is it a folder you put there?11:32
ere4sihow did you remove it - what did you do?11:33
kwhkere4si: no. you don't have such a folder on your desktop as well? TheSheep said no. maybe i remember it wrongly and there haven't been such a folder on my desktop?11:34
kwhkforget it, folks, and thanks. i got a question on the shutdown process.11:35
ere4sikwhk: each user will have their /home folder showing on the desktop - don't know which folder you are talking about :)11:35
kwhkafter i click shutdown, i will see the "xubuntu" page, with the progress bar. the bar runs a little bit at the right end. after it finished, it stuck there and won't go away. i have to push the power button of my laptop to effectively shut the box down. is it normal?11:38
TheSheepkwhk: no, apparently xubuntu can't access the acpi functions to shut down the laptop11:39
TheSheepkwhk: is it an old laptop?11:39
kwhkTheSheep: yes, it is. PII, 300Mhz.11:40
kwhkTheSheep: Thinkpad, 600E.11:40
TheSheepkwhk: check the top of 'dmesg | less'11:40
kwhkTheSheep: sorry, i'm too new to understand. how to?11:41
TheSheepkwhk: open a terminal and type 'dmesg | less', without the quotes11:41
TheSheepkwhk: does it say something about acpi and a cutoff?11:42
kwhkTheSheep: http://www.pastebin.ca/77818311:45
TheSheepkwhk: lower?11:46
kwhkTheSheep: sorry, seems i haven't pasted the whole stuff.11:47
TheSheepkwhk: just search for a message about the bios being too old and disabling acpi support11:47
kwhkTheSheep: how about this: IBM Thinkpad 600 Series 2645 detected: force use of acpi=noirq11:48
TheSheepno, I think this is ok11:50
TheSheepok, so it's not what I thought11:50
TheSheepkwhk: you might want to check the thinkwiki or the ubuntu forums11:50
ere4simost older laptops benefit from additions to a line in /boot/grub/menu.lst - scroll down to where it says "end default options" and at the line that starts "kernel" and ends with "quiet splash" type a space then    noapic nolapic11:50
TheSheepere4si: that's no a benefit11:51
ere4siexcuse me?11:51
TheSheepere4si: do you know what these options do?11:52
kwhkTheSheep: i remember the statement u quoted. i saw it when booting the machine, be4 i changed to this new network card (wired).11:52
ere4sienable older laptops to boot and shut down properly when the standard options aren't working - read the forums11:53
kwhkTheSheep: i mean, when i used another wired network card previously, i saw that statement, but now i no longer see it at boot.11:53
TheSheepkwhk: you might try adding 'acpi=force' to the boot options and see if it helps11:53
ere4siread the forums about older laptops11:54
TheSheepere4si: no, it disables advanced irq support, leaving oly the basic one and impairing performance -- it's a workaround for laptops that have broken apic11:54
TheSheepere4si: it's a workaround, and you should use it when you have trouble with apic, not just like that, otherwise it would be enabled by default11:55
TheSheep!boot | kwhk11:55
ubotukwhk: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto11:55
ere4siTheSheep: The first time I saw that option was from an article from klaus knopper11:56
kwhkTheSheep: am using acpi=off11:56
TheSheepkwhk: look at the bottom of that page, at the 'permanent changes' section11:56
TheSheepkwhk: ah, if you have scpi=off then acpi won't work, obviously, so ubuntu can't powerdown your laptop11:57
TheSheepere4si: it's needed for some computers, because apic/lapic won't work on them, better to use simple pic than to not have anything at all, right?11:58
TheSheepere4si: but disabling it just because "you've heard that it's sometimes adviced' is a bad idea11:58
kwhkTheSheep: so, should i use acpi=force?11:58
TheSheepkwhk: so, it didn't boot with acpi enabled?11:58
TheSheepkwhk: or were there some trouble at boot so that you put it?11:59
ere4siwas started as the thing most laptops neede to run 01/0711:59
ere4si*stated11:59
kwhkTheSheep: it worked.  maybe changed to "off" at some point when dealing with the sound problem11:59
TheSheepere4si: kwhk will end up enabling it anyways probably :)11:59
TheSheepkwhk: then just remove that12:00
TheSheepkwhk: don't add force, just remove the acpi=off12:00
ere4silol12:00
TheSheepkwhk: if the sound problem reappears, try what ere4si said :)12:01
kwhkfolks, thanks, will try it, after having dinner now:)12:02
squirrelpimpthe automount-feature of me pretty new xubuntu-installation is broken13:04
squirrelpimpwhere can i start debugging? which part of the system mounts usbdisks?13:04
squirrelpimpit used to be pmount if i'm right, however it's not installed13:05
kwhkhi, TheSheep, ere4si: tried. i changed it to acpi=force. the shutdown works now.  it beeps a few seconds after i click "shutdown", then i see a black screen for a short while, then the "ubuntu" page, then the bar progresses a bit on the right and finishes, then the page goes out.  thanks you both.13:30
ere4sibest of luck :)13:31
kwhkyup.13:31
kwhkbut i feel that it takes a bit longer than be4 when booting up the machine into the desktop.13:31
kwhkis this any to do with the change?13:33
hal9k2010good morning13:41
ere4si!hi13:41
ubotuHi! Welcome to #xubuntu!13:41
hal9k2010new to linux and have some quiestions13:41
hal9k2010downloaded xubuntu and burn the disk but have no sound in the live cd13:42
hal9k2010this means no sound in the installer13:42
hal9k2010????13:42
ere4si!sound13:43
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP313:43
ere4sisome hardware needs some effort to get working - what's the sound card?13:44
hal9k2010i really dont know13:45
hal9k2010think is maestro or something like that13:45
hal9k2010on the top of the desktop has no volume selector ...13:45
hal9k2010i was using the live cd ... my fear is that if i install  will have no sound also13:47
hal9k2010ess maestro13:48
ere4siin the menu you will find an entry for terminal - click that and when it opens type   lsmod | grep snd    that will show what sound card driver was found   - |  is the key above enter when you press shift13:49
hal9k2010thanks   will try that    i will load the live cd again wish me luck13:51
ere4silol13:51
hal9k2010hello again14:27
hal9k2010using live cd  now... have no sound14:28
ere4siwhat did lsmod | grep snd say?14:32
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RandyboYAnyone have any idea about why my xubuntu hang with the wpa security enabled? Could it be the nic? What could i do? Other than use wep... Especially when rebooting or shutting down it hangs. "Stopping wpa_supplicant interfaces ..."14:43
hal9k2010the ismode didnt work14:45
hal9k2010command  not found14:46
PumpernickelYou typo'd the command.14:52
DarkDreamHello :)15:00
DarkDreamI'm trying to install xubuntu on an old Pentium MMX 200Mhz with 128Mo of RAM.15:01
blankpuguloFor office purpose?15:01
DarkDreamBut the boot install option seems to loop. Just after the selection it's written "No DMI bios year, acpi=force is required to enable ACPI"15:02
DarkDreamahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wait the screens appears after ages :)15:02
DarkDreamMaybe I will be able to install xubuntu.15:02
DarkDreamblankpugulo yes Office purpose15:02
DarkDreamInternet, chat, wordprocessing, etc.15:03
blankpuguloOpenOffice? I doubt it will work on 200Mhz15:03
DarkDreamwe will see.15:03
DarkDreamIn God we trust ^^15:03
blankpuguloDowngrade forever:)15:05
blankpuguloI like old hardware15:05
DarkDreamOn Win 98, all were ok. But I hated to see my girlfriend on this unprotected OS so I would like to try xubuntu. But Ms office was running on it, emule, msn, internet explorer, firefox, mirc, etc.15:07
blankpuguloWhat version of Xfce is in Xubuntu 7.10?15:07
DarkDreamXubuntu uses more ressources than win 98 ?15:07
blankpugulo128MB of RAM is sufficient quantity of memory, i think... for xubuntu15:08
DarkDreamI tried win2k. It was ok until I install SP4 and all the upgrades :s15:08
DarkDreamafter that: very slow15:09
blankpugulodon't use SP's :)... are they necessary?15:09
DarkDreamfor all the upgrades yes. And I prefere to install all fixes even if they come from MS ;)15:10
blankpuguloSome MS fixes is more dangerous than viruses, I heard.15:11
DarkDreamhow to install this xubuntu damn.... I clicked on the Install Icon15:12
DarkDreamand now all is so slow...15:12
DarkDreammouse moves and I'm wondering if the install process will start.15:13
blankpuguloI think it's slow because Live CD eats a lot of RAM... After installation system will work quickly :)15:13
DarkDreameven after 11 minutes ?15:14
DarkDreamnothing seems to start the install process after the double click on the Install Icon.15:14
DarkDreamdoes it come from this message before the loading of the kernel:"No DMI bios year, acpi=force is required to enable ACPI" ?15:16
blankpuguloAfter activation of shadows my systems begin work slowly... Can I fix it by instaling of nVidia-drivers?15:16
PumpernickelYou need the alternate install cd if you're installing on a system with 128MB of RAM.15:17
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DarkDreamahhh15:19
DarkDreamI try to see on the xubuntu webpage ty Pumpernickel15:19
DarkDreamPC (Intel x86) alternate install CD15:21
DarkDream    For almost all PCs. This includes most machines with Intel/AMD/etc type processors and almost all computers that run Microsoft Windows, as well as newer Apple Macintosh systems based on Intel processors. Choose this if you are at all unsure.15:21
DarkDreamthis one ?15:21
PumpernickelYup.15:22
DarkDreamty Pumpernickel :)15:22
DarkDreamis it a problem the "No DMI bios year, acpi=force is required to enable ACPI" message ?15:23
PumpernickelNo, it's just that you need at least 192MB of RAM for the live system and the installer to run at the same time.15:24
PumpernickelThat message is a separate issue.15:24
maristoCan I use non-grafical installer to install Xubuntu?... hm... text-mode15:25
Pumpernickelmaristo: That's how the alternate install cd works.15:26
maristoclear15:26
maristoIt's only difference of altarenate CD ?15:27
PumpernickelYeah.  The installed system will be identical.15:28
DarkDreamnice :)15:28
maristoit's good15:29
DarkDreamI clicked too fast yesterday. Should take that version15:29
relapsehi15:44
relapsecan anyone tell me the default install size of xubuntu?15:44
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Pumpernickelrelapse: ~1.5GB, not including swap.16:18
relapsethanks Pumpernickel16:32
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R[a]ndomwhois random17:51
R[a]ndomlol17:51
R[a]ndomwell done. well done17:51
R[a]ndomnot even the right nick17:52
maristoHello!19:17
vinzeHi maristo19:17
maristoWhat pakage I must to add, to use video? (mpg, wmv)... My old pakages don't work. I use Xubuntu 7.0419:18
maristo(excuse me for grammar)19:18
vinzemaristo, for use with Gxine?19:19
maristoyes19:19
maristoI can't to find w32codecs pakage...19:20
vinzemaristo, I *think* you can use libxine-ffmpeg19:20
maristosudo apt-get install w32codecs don't work19:20
vinzeEhm, make that libxine1-ffmpeg19:20
maristothank you, I'll try...19:20
maristovinze: Thank you! It works!19:26
maristo:)19:26
vinzemaristo, cool :)19:26
maristoI also have prblems with Xfburn, I can't ti write CD's and erase CDRW's :(... But in Ubuntu I can.19:35
vinzemaristo, in Ubuntu using Xfburn?19:35
maristono19:35
vinzemaristo, ah, Xfburn is very buggy, that's why it was replaced with Brasero in 7.1019:35
maristoI've alredy use Brasero, but... same problem19:36
vinzemaristo, and which application do you use in Ubuntu? Gnomebaker?19:36
maristoProbably, Standard application...19:37
vinzemaristo, perhaps you could try using the same application in Xubuntu?19:37
maristoscsidev: '/dev/sr0'19:38
maristodevname: '/dev/sr0'19:38
maristoscsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -219:38
maristoError trying to open /dev/sr0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.19:38
maristooh, I have dismount CD and recording become possible...19:44
MarkyB86hello! can anyone help me with my wifi22:11
Pumpernickel!anyone22:14
ubotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?22:14
MarkyB86anyone have any advice getting the wavebuddy pcmcia card working?22:16
maximilian1stHi folks.22:24
The-Kernelhi22:25
maximilian1stI have a question about firefox and focus stealing, more precise workspace changing. The idea is, I had firefox not changing workspace, some monthes ago, whenever I clicked in a link within a mail. Now whenever I click a link in a mail in workspace 2, firefox leaves workspace1 and moves to workspace 2 to open the link requested. Is that the normal behaviour now?22:28
TheSheepmaximilian1st: http://sheep.art.pl/2007-09-08_Firefox_jumping_between_workspaces_in_XFCE22:30
maximilian1stTheSheep, , TheKing :-)22:33
TheSheepmaximilian1st: Elvis?22:34
maximilian1stI'm bad because I'm helping out the Xfce team for the translations supervision.22:34
maximilian1stNo, Elvis is dead, you should know by now.22:34
maximilian1st;-p22:34
maximilian1stElvis=Maxamillion?22:34
maristoIs Xfce translated to Esperanto?22:35
maximilian1stThere are some parts translated yes.22:35
Viper550if you wanna have XFCE in Esperanto, why don't you help translate it?22:36
maximilian1stBut if you think you could lend a hand and review what remains to be done, feel free to join the i18n.xfce.org mailing list.22:36
maristoI'll look :)22:36
maximilian1stNetwork browsing in xubuntu: fusesmb or smbnetfs? Who uses one of these? I am using pyneighborhood sst the moment.22:47
riciany experiences positive or negative with laptops with intel gma 950?23:25
DarkDreamHi :)23:47

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