[00:00] <Viper550> I so wanna see ubuntu-themes-ubuntuween
[00:01] <Cimi> _MMA_, I've convinced kwwii after the uds that a dark theme will be the end of ubuntu :)
[00:01] <lukeen> looks like a new version of aurora was just released...
[00:02] <Cimi> maybe slower and bad coded than the previous ;)
[00:02] <Cimi> aurora it's a pain between hacks and dangerous things
[00:02] <_MMA_> I dont think so at all. Dark themes can be done. We've proved that. It came down to Mark not wanting it for some reason. A misscommunication somewhere.
[00:02] <lukeen> guys: what do you think about this icon theme? http://bomahy.nl/hylke/blog/ubuntu-icon-theme/
[00:03] <Cimi> _MMA_, please don't tell me ubuntulooks is a great theme...
[00:03] <Cimi> lukeen, too saturated and child-ish
[00:03] <_MMA_> Where did I say that?
[00:03] <Cimi> We've proved tha
[00:03] <Cimi> t
[00:03] <_MMA_> "Ubuntu Studio"
[00:03] <Cimi> sorry
[00:04] <Cimi> ubuntu studio
[00:04] <Viper550> wow, those icons are hot!
[00:04] <Cimi> imho ubuntustudio is not a *great* black theme
[00:04] <_MMA_> "Dark themes can be done. We've (Ubuntu Studio) proved that."
[00:04] <Cimi> exatly
[00:04] <Cimi> I've said ubuntulooks but i was meaning ubuntustudio
[00:04] <Cimi> sorry
[00:05] <Cimi> it's a way better than nodoka and ubuntu default theme
[00:05] <Viper550> also, I like that cute Firefox icon he also made.
[00:05] <Cimi> but I won't chose it as default
[00:05] <_MMA_> Cimi: Its still widely regarded as the best out there minus some app issues the dont use GTK in standard ways.
[00:05] <Cimi> Viper550, firefox 3 will have a tango theme
[00:05] <Cimi> _MMA_, a lot of guys like the vista-like look
[00:06] <Cimi> I personally don't like it
[00:06] <lukeen> ff3 should look more like the os it is running on
[00:06] <Viper550> so on Linux, Firefox will take on the Gnome icon theme chosen?
[00:06] <Cimi> even if is using my engine :)
[00:06] <Cimi> btw tastes are tastes
[00:06] <_MMA_> blah. The gloss on the Feisty theme was not on purpose. We had that in the works since Vista was Longhorn.
[00:06] <Cimi> Viper550, yes
[00:06] <_MMA_> In Gutsy the gloss is gone.
[00:07] <Viper550> awesome
[00:07] <_MMA_> Hardy will loose it totally.
[00:07] <Cimi> _MMA_, also for panels?
[00:07] <_MMA_> Yes.
[00:07] <lukeen> glossy is outdated i've read...
[00:07] <Cimi> great
[00:07] <_MMA_> http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/Screenshot-1.png
[00:09] <_MMA_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialHardyIncoming
[00:09] <Cimi> _MMA_, much better
[00:09] <Cimi> really
[00:09] <Cimi> in any case
[00:10] <Cimi> the human eye can't switch between a dark background to bright colors
[00:10] <Cimi> i.e. black bg and white base
[00:10] <Cimi> it will lose contrast and sharpness
[00:10] <Cimi> and the eye will be stressed more than it should
[00:10] <lukeen> yes, dark themes just bring to much problems....
[00:10] <_MMA_> troy_s: Wanna handle this one. ^^^
[00:11] <Cimi> _MMA_, for example see LCD panels like Aquos by Sharp (TM)
[00:11] <troy_s> _MMA_: Go for me my brother.
[00:12] <Cimi> there's a technolosy to improve contrast by enlightnening on the side of the tv
[00:12] <Cimi> so the eye will see more contrast
[00:12] <_MMA_> troy_s: Your much more eloquent/knowledgeable on this one.
[00:12] <Viper550> hmm, for Hardy and Ubuntu Studio, I'm gonna try and get them onto Crux
[00:12] <_MMA_> Crux?
[00:13] <Cimi> _MMA_, I've a Pantone huey for my monitor
[00:13] <Cimi> it automatically adjust gamma and color ranges
[00:13] <Cimi> by controlling the ambient light
[00:13] <Viper550> that metalish purple theme
[00:13] <Viper550> it still comes with Gnome after all these years. They even updated it to Cairo
[00:13] <Cimi> Viper550, horrible for my tastes :D
[00:13] <troy_s> _MMA_: What were we talking about?  lol.
[00:14] <Viper550> but for Ubuntu Studio, it looks a bit like a professional editing application theme
[00:14] <_MMA_> Cimi: There's a reason why pro audio/video/photo apps use colors like we do. Or why we copy them rather.
[00:14] <Cimi> _MMA_, a WHOLE dark theme
[00:14] <Cimi> is much better than a light theme
[00:14] <Viper550> but, Crux by default isn't "too dark"
[00:15] <Cimi> as it is much more relaxing
[00:15] <_MMA_> troy_s: "Cimi: the human eye can't switch between a dark background to bright colors. i.e. black bg and white base. it will lose contrast and sharpness. and the eye will be stressed more than it should"
[00:15] <troy_s> _MMA_: If you are aiming to be 'professional' the most 'professionally' close (say to a Nuke / Shake) is Blender in terms of looks.
[00:15] <Cimi> _MMA_, blender
[00:15] <Viper550> Their model are programs like Avid Studio
[00:15] <Cimi> ardour
[00:15] <Cimi> and other apps
[00:15] <Cimi> are TOTALLY black
[00:15] <Cimi> they don't have contrast between BLACK and WHITE
[00:16] <Cimi> i'm saying that the problems in the ubuntustudio theme is just that contrast
[00:16] <Cimi> with is bad for the human eye
[00:16] <troy_s> _MMA_: Any time I see the word 'eyestress' it conjures mythical beliefs.  There has been countless research done that the notions of 'eyestrain' are rubbish when it comes to 'looking'.  Moving the eye around a lot will strain it and actually make it fatigue.  But that is rolling your orbital from one side to the other, not just moving it around a screen say.
[00:16] <Cimi> I've nothing against dak themes
[00:16] <_MMA_> Cimi: I dont agree at all sorry.
[00:16] <troy_s> Cimi: Ardour isn't a professional application though so I would argue that it isn't a wonderful comparison point.
[00:16] <Cimi> _MMA_, maybe you don't have a monitor like mines
[00:17] <Cimi> 1500:1 of contrast
[00:17] <troy_s> Cimi: Perhaps comparing to Nuke or ProTools would be.
[00:17] <Cimi> black/white is a bit harder for me
[00:17] <Cimi> troy_s, I've said for colors
[00:17] <_MMA_> I use this theme for hours on end for over a year. I just need links to back up the "eye strain" thing. ;)
[00:17] <Cimi> a whole dark theme
[00:17] <Cimi> like adobe aperture
[00:17] <troy_s> Its an aesthetic.  And granted aesthetics are volatile grounds for debates, in the end, the whole of the argument is aesthetic and subjective.
[00:18] <Cimi> this is not an aesthetic thing
[00:18] <Cimi> as I've said
[00:18] <Cimi> there are a lot of strumentation (professional)
[00:18] <troy_s> 1500:1 contrast is nothing.
[00:18] <troy_s> CRTs deliver 10x that
[00:19] <Cimi> troy_s, I've a crt too
[00:19] <Cimi> which is more harder to live with ubuntustudio theme
[00:19] <_MMA_> Viper550: Just talk to me here as I am also coordinating the art for Ubuntu Studio here. (or in a PM) I dont sit in #ubuntustudio on the weekends.
[00:19] <Viper550> Okay
[00:19] <Cimi> I was saying
[00:19] <Cimi> there are a lof ot strumentation
[00:20] <Viper550> I was thinking about Crux as their engine since it's underrated, and it's also kinda got that look they want
[00:20] <Cimi> that sets colors and contrast by seeing whole luminance of the area
[00:20] <Cimi> and the ambient light
[00:20] <_MMA_> Viper550: "their" and "they"?
[00:20] <Viper550> they as in ubuntustudio
[00:20] <_MMA_> Viper550: Oh. You dont know. Im the lead on it.
[00:21] <_MMA_> I wrote all the WIKI pages. "C.Kontros"
[00:21] <Cimi> _MMA_, you should fix the colors in the comboboxes
[00:21] <Viper550> Oh, cool. Anyway, Crux does kinda have that "media application" look
[00:21] <Cimi> see the gaim state combobox
[00:21] <Cimi> it has a dark text color
[00:21] <Cimi> should be white I guess
[00:22] <_MMA_> Cimi: I like the black myself but can that be changed?
[00:22] <Cimi> of course
[00:22] <Cimi> in the gtkrc
[00:23] <_MMA_> Cimi: Once .6 is in the repos Ill get with you to look over some of the text colors. I do think some of it can be tweaked.
[00:24] <Cimi> _MMA_, I'm not thinking of releasing 0.6
[00:24] <Cimi> I'd like to wait kwwii directions
[00:25] <_MMA_> Ok. Either way. once it does get in we can look at the Ubuntu Studio text colors then.
[00:25] <Cimi> mmm
[00:25] <Cimi> imho
[00:25] <Cimi> it's just
[00:26] <Cimi> _MMA_, where's the gtkrc?
[00:27] <_MMA_> We'll mess with it later. ;)
[00:27] <Cimi> btw menu_item
[00:27] <Cimi> and fgprelight
[00:27] <Cimi> probably
[00:30]  * _MMA_ stops neglecting his family and shuts the laptop lid. Later guys.
[00:31] <troy_s> Cimi: Being an expert in GTK coding, how easy would it be to create something akin to Mist but with rounded (very slight) corners (somewhere about 3 in Murrine radius)
[00:31] <troy_s> ?
[00:31] <Cimi> you can do this with murrine
[00:31] <troy_s> !?
[00:31] <Cimi> hilight_ratio = 0.909090
[00:31] <Cimi> gradients = FALSE
[00:31] <Cimi> roundness = 3
[00:31] <Cimi> thta's it
[00:31] <troy_s> Cimi: Do you have a screenshot?!
[00:31] <Cimi> troy_s, try it
[00:32] <troy_s> Cimi: Erk... ok...
[00:32] <Cimi> add those options in the engine section of the gtkrc
[00:32] <troy_s> Cimi: That eliminates all of the nasty glossy looks etc?
[00:32] <Cimi> yes
[00:32] <troy_s> Cimi: Keeps it gradient / flat?
[00:32] <troy_s> Wow.
[00:32] <troy_s> How lovely!
[00:32] <Cimi> =)
[00:32] <troy_s> ok ... I'll need to experiment with it.
[00:32] <_MMA_> troy_s: I did this tonight for Ubuntu Studio-Hardy. ;)
[00:32] <troy_s> Awsome work by the way Cimi -- great to see you in here.
[00:33] <troy_s> Mist is a darn strong engine, if it just was a little more 'refined' with antialiased rounded corners etc.
[00:33] <Cimi> murrine is very powerful in that way
[00:33] <Cimi> probably the code is more complicated than clearlooks
[00:34] <Cimi> but you can do a lot of things in customization
[00:34] <troy_s> Cimi: If I can do that, I would be elated...
[00:34] <Cimi> (obviusly it is complicated you've 100 styles in one engine) :D
[00:34] <troy_s> greets luisbg
[00:34] <Cimi> one moment troy_s I try
[00:37] <Cimi> troy_s, 1: http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/8996/screenshot1tb5.png
[00:37] <Cimi> just added those 3 options to a theme
[00:38] <troy_s> Cimi: Is there a way to create a highlight line?
[00:38] <Cimi> mmm
[00:38] <troy_s> Cimi: Being a sort of light direction
[00:39] <troy_s> Cimi: If it were a rectangle, the left/top would be lighter than the bottom/right for example.
[00:39] <Cimi> not with roundness = 3
[00:39] <troy_s> Cimi: No roundness it can do it yes?
[00:39] <Cimi> yes
[00:39] <Cimi> if I remember well...
[00:39] <Cimi> not sure
[00:39] <troy_s> Cimi: Is that a tricky code bit to get it with roundness?
[00:39] <_MMA_> troy_s: http://mma.users.ubuntustudio.org/UbuntuStudio-Hardy.tar.gz
[00:39] <troy_s> Cimi: Great wood in the bg by the way
[00:39] <troy_s> _MMA_: What is that?
[00:40] <_MMA_> Tinkering with Hardy's theme.
[00:40] <troy_s> _MMA_: Screenshot?
[00:40] <Cimi> troy_s, http://www.cimitan.com/blog/wp-content/new-gummy-tabs-2.png
[00:40] <_MMA_> No. The theme.
[00:40] <_MMA_> troy_s: just DL and drop in the theme manager.
[00:40] <troy_s> Cimi: Can you turn the tab 'striping' on and off with Murrine (the blue bar in your screenshot)
[00:41] <Cimi> no
[00:41] <Cimi> those two changes
[00:41] <_MMA_> troy_s: I still dont know if it will work with the design direction. I might take the stripes off the menubar.
[00:41] <Cimi> (highlight of buttons and tabs)
[00:41] <Cimi> require changes in the code
[00:41] <Cimi> not buge changes
[00:41] <Cimi> but something
[00:41] <Cimi> *huge
[00:42] <troy_s> Cimi: I am using Glider (nice additions you put in there if I am not mistaken)
[00:42] <troy_s> Cimi: The ONLY thing I would change on glider is a slight rounding of tabs / buttons.
[00:42] <Cimi> I haven't worked with glider
[00:42] <troy_s> That's it, but I don't think it is possible with Murrine, is it?
[00:42] <Cimi> just Clearlooks
[00:42] <Cimi> Gummy
[00:42] <Cimi> GLossy
[00:42] <Cimi> Inverted
[00:43] <Cimi> and Classic
[00:43] <Cimi> and murrine too
[00:43] <troy_s> Glider is absolutely perfect from the aesthetic I am working towards... minus the square corners.
[00:43] <troy_s> I just don't know how hard it would be to twiddle the engine into supporting radius.
[00:43] <_MMA_> troy_s: Glider is a theme?
[00:43] <TheSheep> Cimi: you have a good chance to monopolize the gtk theme engine market ;)
[00:44] <troy_s> _MMA_: Control set... try it.
[00:44] <TheSheep> hello goys, by the way
[00:44]  * _MMA_ looks.
[00:44] <TheSheep> guys
[00:44] <troy_s> TheSheep: Greets friend.
[00:44] <Cimi> I don't like glider
[00:44] <troy_s> Cimi: It avoids the nasty outline tango mess
[00:44] <troy_s> Cimi: And it is deadly clean.
[00:44] <troy_s> Cimi: I just wish it had about a 3 px round.
[00:45] <Cimi> it's much more simpler to hack murrine supporting the highlight then rewriting all the glider theme
[00:46] <TheSheep> Cimi: it's always easier to work with your own code
[00:46] <Cimi> not for this
[00:46] <Cimi> just because adding the highlight is just few lines
[00:47] <Cimi> supporting the radius in glider seems to requrire rewriting things there and there
[00:47] <troy_s> Cimi: Is that possible?
[00:47] <troy_s> Cimi: Because the basic look of mist/glider is relatively simple.
[00:47] <Cimi> troy_s, the highlight in murrine?
[00:47] <troy_s> Cimi: Oldschool highlight on two edges/darker on two... nothing else.
[00:47] <Cimi> troy_s, candido-like
[00:48] <Cimi> http://candido.berlios.de/pages/engine.php
[00:48] <Cimi> by me
[00:49] <troy_s> Almost exactly, but with rounded and no outlines.
[00:51] <Cimi> ok
[00:51] <Cimi> outlines?
[00:51] <Cimi> where?
[00:51] <troy_s> Cimi: The outlines around the buttons of a singular colour
[00:52] <troy_s> Cimi: As in the button would only be say, 1 pixel of highlight and 1 pixel of dark.
[00:52] <Cimi> border?
[00:52] <troy_s> Yes.
[00:52] <troy_s> Border.
[00:52] <troy_s> Can you turn that off in Murrine?
[00:52] <Cimi> it will be horrible imho
[00:52] <Cimi> and not usable
[00:52] <Cimi> theme will lacks of contrast
[00:53] <troy_s> Cimi: It is what I am looking for.  I have normal vision and am not too worried about outlines on everything.
[00:53] <troy_s> Cimi: I am assuming the highlights / shade are different enough to provide a single pixel outline.
[00:53] <TheSheep> plus shadows help here if your wm supports them
[00:54] <troy_s> Cimi: The borders clunkify the entire theme too much ala Tango.  It isn't terribly elegant nor professional app looking (which is another reason I require it.)
[00:54] <Cimi> I've never seen an app without them
[00:54] <troy_s> Cimi: Glider and such don't use them.
[00:54] <troy_s> Cimi: And they work fine.  Plus a good deal of the look that I am trying to merge with avoids that Tango look.
[00:55] <Cimi> you're in front of a tango lover :)
[00:55] <troy_s> Cimi: And on a personal note I despise outlines almost as much as Steve Jobs despises buttons.
[00:55] <troy_s> Cimi: I hope it isn't viral.  ;)
[00:55] <Cimi> ahahah
[00:55] <Cimi> no no :)
[00:56] <troy_s> Cimi: Is that a flexibility that you could integrate into Murrine or is a huge deal?
[00:56] <Cimi> for buttons
[00:56] <Cimi> borders
[00:56] <Cimi> I think I can do it in a clean way by bumping up gtk version to 2.12
[00:57] <troy_s> Cimi: Yes. All of the 3D elements seem to have borders in most GTK implementations, where say, Mist/Glider avoid them.  Unfortunately, Mist and Glider don't have all of the lovely flexibility of Murrine.
[00:57] <troy_s> Cimi: How would I track your development?  Are you located on Bzr or on your own servers etc?
[00:58] <Cimi> svn
[00:58] <Cimi> btw
[00:59] <Cimi> murrine wasn't written to a flat look in mind
[00:59] <Cimi> so...
[00:59] <Cimi> i will take a look if I have time
[00:59] <Cimi> and obviusly if
[00:59] <Cimi> as I've said before
[00:59] <Cimi> mark will sponsor my development
[01:00] <Cimi> mark = Canonical
[01:00] <Cimi> I can't work for weeks and absolutely for free and for him =)
[01:00] <troy_s> Cimi: Oh I wouldn't expect you to do anything really.  I was just wondering how hard it would be etc.
[01:00] <Cimi> nothing hard
[01:00] <troy_s> Cimi: As I would probably need to cludge bloody Glider or something.
[01:01] <Cimi> but a question of time
[01:01] <troy_s> Cimi: I would hate to do it, but I would if no other theme / engine / etc. offered the option.
[01:01] <troy_s> Cimi: I have no clue what Ubuntu main would want from you.
[01:01] <Cimi> me too :)
[01:02] <Cimi> I've available if someone ask me to develop and support
[01:02] <Cimi> but I can't work for free and for months, supporting everything and coding all day without anything
[01:02] <Cimi> it's not fair to me :)
[01:04] <_MMA_> Cimi: Ubuntu wants nothing from you specifically. As I understood it Ken is wanting to use Murrine but might want to do things that require coding. Thats it.
[01:04] <_MMA_> He just might not be aware of all the options Murrine has.
[01:05] <Cimi> _MMA_, ken and me already discussed in pvt a lot of time
[01:05] <_MMA_> Lots of things hinge with his meeting with Mark.
[01:05] <Cimi> yep
[01:05] <Cimi> but as I said
[01:05] <Cimi> I'm here
[01:06] <Cimi> available to him
[01:06] <_MMA_> Sure. I just dont want you to think you cant make a move without him. Which what it looks like. Just could be a language thing.
[01:06] <Cimi> obviusly I don't need any money if I can work one day to do a mod
[01:07] <Cimi> but if it will require weeks and support the engine for the rest of the LTS support
[01:07] <_MMA_> I doubt it will come to that unless he has you hack on a new "UbuntuLooks".
[01:08] <Cimi> _MMA_, I can do anything I like with cairo actually
[01:08] <Cimi> I'm using cairo in gtk engines from 2 years
[01:08] <Cimi> I'm very experienced
[01:08] <_MMA_> ok.
[01:08] <Cimi> so he can also give me a mockup and say "do it!"
[01:08] <Cimi> I can do if it don't requires hacks in the gtk+ libs
[01:09] <Cimi> btw
[01:09] <Cimi> saying "i pay you ten dollars for using murrine and helping me with the support"
[01:10] <Cimi> is just like saying "thanks for your work"
[01:10] <Cimi> and it is very appreciated
[01:10] <Cimi> I don't want to become rich with this :)
[01:10] <_MMA_> Ok. :) Well the family is done what they were doing and now I have to run.
[01:10] <_MMA_> later.
[01:12] <Cimi> troy_s, do you agree?
[01:32] <kwwii> I agree, if that helps any :-)
[02:27] <Viper550> _MMA_ sorry I had to so so suddenly
[02:32] <troy_s> Cimi: I would gladly donate to the fund if you had an easy way to deal with it.
[02:33] <Cimi> troy_s, I guess mark has more money than all freenode users actually :)
[02:33] <troy_s> Cimi: Well yes, but never underestimate the power of the masses.  Without them, Mark would have zero body of work.
[02:34] <troy_s> Cimi: Further, if you are receptive to the needs / desires of the public, I would assume that you could generate a good deal of donations.
[02:34] <troy_s> or contributions
[02:34] <Viper550> hey thar troy_s
[02:34] <troy_s> Greetings Viper550
[02:34] <Viper550> yeah, back for Hardy, finally divin' back into Ubuntu. I proudly have Gutsy running in VirtualBox on my newer computer (which unfortunately runs Vista)
[02:36] <Cimi> troy_s, btw I'm working on your request since 2 hour
[02:36] <Cimi> s
[02:36] <troy_s> Cimi: Sheesh.  You didn't have to do that!
[02:36] <Cimi> troy_s, you asked me..
[02:37] <TheSheep> troy_s: he just enjoys it ;)
[02:37] <troy_s> Cimi: I asked if it was a big deal lol.  I never expected you to dive right in.  Needless to say, thanks a bunch.  Wow.
[02:39] <Viper550> I have been playing around with Gutsy, love the new color scheme options
[02:39] <Viper550> Also, from what I saw, we'll be able to ship multiple preset color schemes on themes
[02:40] <Viper550> troy_s: http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1431/schemesrp3.png
[02:43] <troy_s> Viper550: What am I looking at.  Looks similar to XP had someone wanted to generate a Clearlooks version.
[02:44] <Viper550> you'll be able to have multiple color schemes with one "theme"
[02:45] <Cimi> I've forced a friend of mine to code it :)
[02:46] <Viper550> haha...we were also discussing that Fedora 8's new theme is just a "modification" to Murrine
[02:48] <Viper550> Also, I know that I am jumping the gun a bit but...
[02:49] <Viper550> I'm already getting ideas for Hardy, all the GTK based Hardy distros actually
[03:25] <Viper550> hello?
[03:34] <Cimi> hi Viper550
[03:34] <Viper550> I have been working on a side-project for Ubuntu Studio 7.04
[03:38] <Viper550> Right now, it's this "hack" of Crux with a dark grey/blue color scheme
[03:40] <Cimi> I go to bed
[03:40] <Cimi> bye Viper550
[06:41] <steester>  anyone here?
[12:12] <rexbron> Hey all you Ubuntu artists, I have a favour to ask. I have packaged an app for Ubuntu, but it lacks an icon. Any one interested in creating a tango icon for Genpo http://genpo.sf.net ?
[19:50] <Viper550> _MMA_?
[20:38] <Viper550> hello?
[20:40] <thorwil> hi!
[20:40] <thorwil> ubuntu version symbols: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/ubuntu-version-symbols/ :)
[20:59] <_MMA_> Viper550: I'm here. Though, with it being Sunday, I'm not real apt to talk about "Ubuntu stuff". ;)
[20:59] <Viper550> Yeah, I finished my GTK theme proposal
[21:04] <Viper550> _MMA_ http://bay01.imagebay.com/_upload/img/24/usgutsyfjs.jpg
[21:05] <_MMA_> "with it being Sunday, I'm not real apt to talk about "Ubuntu stuff"."
[21:30] <Viper550> anyone else here?
[23:09] <TheSheep> what do you think? http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/corky-flower.png
[23:11] <hbons> TheSheep: pretty cool
[23:13] <TheSheep> I'm just afraid that people will make holes in my monitor with tacks XD
[23:23] <_MMA_> TheSheep: Do you have a blank one? Id like to use in on my screen.
[23:24] <TheSheep> _MMA_: I have one without the flower, with only the logo
[23:24] <_MMA_> That would work.
[23:24] <TheSheep> what do you think? http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/corky.png
[23:24] <TheSheep> sorry
[23:24] <TheSheep> ok, should work
[23:25] <TheSheep> I also have the texture, but without some cloning it's pretty repetitive
[23:31] <hbons> the flower was what made it nice:P
[23:36] <_MMA_> TheSheep: Icons with white text are a little hard to read. I like the texture. :) What id Xubuntu going for this time?
[23:44] <TheSheep> _MMA_: I have no idea, I'm just a user
[23:44] <TheSheep> _MMA_: there is some bikeshedding on the mailing list, but most people seems to like the last theme
[23:45] <TheSheep> someone suggested the gtango icons
[23:45] <TheSheep> (crashbit icons)
[23:48] <_MMA_> Xubuntu doesnt even look to have a Hardy page. :(
[23:49] <TheSheep> jmak likes to work under cover apparently :)
[23:50] <_MMA_> Thats fine. I did the same for Feisty/Gutsy. Most likely Hardy+1 as well.
[23:55] <TheSheep> _MMA_: btw, I was inspired by this wallpaper: http://atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl/~sheep/desk.jpg
[23:56] <TheSheep> but I don't know who made it or even where I got it
[23:56] <_MMA_> Nice.
[23:57] <TheSheep> I love the effect, and it's really comfortable to work on