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gnomefreakis it too late to ban Colt7r? 00:30
gnomefreaksee #ubuntu 19:26 <          Colt7r > rm -rf /00:30
gnomefreak19:26 <          Colt7r > :)00:30
Seeker`IMO, no00:31
gnomefreaknormally if it isnt right away they complain (im not in the mood to debate stupid crap tonight00:32
jdonggnomefreak: I'd say ban him for it00:33
gnomefreaki told him not to joke like that again, lets see what he says if anything00:33
Seeker`gnomefreak: that doesn't make it right00:33
jdongok, we'll see where that goes00:33
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jdongaaah01:13
Condoulook, what is going on01:21
CondouloI changed the port to 8001.01:22
LjLCondoulo: were the instructions not clear? should we improve them?01:22
CondouloI have no idea whats going on01:23
LjLCondoulo, i assume you've read the topic of the channel you were redirected to? (otherwise you wouldn't know about port 8001, i suppose)01:23
Condouloyeah, I have01:24
Condouloso how would the test work?01:24
LjLCondoulo: oh - the test. well you hadn't asked for one yet.01:24
LjLit works like this01:24
LjLyou're still online. this means you passed.01:25
minus198Hi there.. I've fixed the DCC Exploit, can you unban me from #ubuntu?01:53
LjLminus198: let's do the test01:54
minus198ok01:55
minus198:D01:55
LjLyou can join now01:55
minus198Thank you :)01:55
spr0k3tneed testing for the dccexploit02:30
LjLnot fixed02:35
LjLspr0k3t: try again.02:35
spr0k3tnada02:38
LjLspr0k3t: after changing the port, you probably need to close and reopen your client.02:38
spr0k3tk... I'll give that a shot.02:39
spr0k3tquestion though, when was the exploit found?02:39
LjLyears ago.02:39
spr0k3tweird... why wasn't the latest updates fixed in the various software?02:40
crdlbit's a router bug02:42
LjLspr0k3t: uh? this is a bug in your *router*, not in the ubuntu software02:42
spr0k3trouter has latest firmware.02:42
LjLthen they are stupid enough to ignore this problem apparently02:42
spr0k3tnods02:42
spr0k3tit's a bad router, not mine02:42
spr0k3tthanks... I'll see if it's fixed.02:44
spr0k3tnope02:45
spr0k3tif I'm not using the ubuntu server, does this effect irc.freenode.net?02:47
LjLspr0k3t, how can you say nope if i haven't tested you yet? =)02:47
Hobbseeirc.ubuntu.com poitns to freenode02:47
LjLyes, it affects any network, anyway02:47
Hobbseehe did quit and rejoin02:48
LjLthen i don't know what more02:48
LjLspr0k3t, if changing the port to 8001, then quitting and reloading the client, doesn't work, then i'm at a loss02:48
spr0k3tLjL: well, since I'm on freenode, I went and changed the port on freenode and it worked.02:49
LjLspr0k3t: it worked? i just disconnected you02:49
spr0k3tyeah I know02:49
spr0k3tI'm in #ubuntu once again.02:50
dgimsecan i be tested i'm behind a router but just interested02:50
LjLspr0k3t, that's just because you're using another nickname though02:50
spr0k3tbut on the correct port02:51
LjLyep, it's working02:51
LjLdgimse: sure02:51
dgimseready02:51
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LjLdgimse, you're quite affected02:52
dgimseyep02:52
spr0k3tthere we go...02:52
LjLspr0k3t, please try to make sure you always connect from the one that works from now on02:53
dgimseis this just a port change or do i just update the firmware on my router?02:53
LjLdgimse, a port change will do, upgrading the firmware is probably a good idea, but not really needed02:53
spr0k3tLjL: nod, I removed the affected server listing and changed it in my other software.02:53
spr0k3tyeah, their router sucks so I don't think the firmware will get updted... it's an out-of-date wireless-b router02:54
spr0k3tI'm sure I would have had this problem before now if my own network was affected.02:55
LjLwell, it's been a while since we've had the last exploiter i think02:55
LjLdgimse: remember to disconnect and reconnect after changing the port02:55
dgimsek02:56
spr0k3tanyway, thanks for the help02:56
spr0k3twavies02:56
LjLyou're welcome02:56
ubotuFlannel called the ops in #ubuntu ()03:00
tomawI just +r'd #ubuntu for the duration of those bots03:01
dgimseis there instructions to change ports on chatzilla?03:02
elkbuntuoh dear03:04
LjLnow why does mez keep flooding03:07
LjLi've banned Mez from #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic, #kubuntu and #ubuntu+103:24
LjLkeeps quitting with excess flood03:24
LjLi've banned torpor.sourceguru.net in some channels and ubuntu/member/mez in others, since that's what he joins as03:24
* Hobbsee does #ubuntu-devel03:27
Dave2I guess it's some interaction between xchat and his proxy03:28
gnomefreakyou banned mez?03:33
Dave2he's being very flappy.03:34
jdongjust until his client fixes itself :)03:34
gnomefreakwhat joins/parts?03:34
Dave2it keeps flooding off and rejoining.03:34
jdongI think gnomefreak is being rhetorical :)03:40
jdongin that his client probably redirects them to another window03:40
jdongwait was I just captain obvious?03:41
* jdong puts on his dunce cap again03:41
jdongrandom question of the day, how does kicking/banning immunity work on Freenode? Is it possessed only by special entities like ChanServ or do staffers have it too?03:49
tomawjdong: some staff have it.  it's umode +m and prevents most people from kicking them03:49
crdlbI'm pretty sure it's only services that are unkickable03:49
crdlboh nm :)03:49
jdongtomaw: ah, cool, thanks :)03:50
tomawjdong: note that one umode for kick/deop immunity and another that is called godmode, which allows you to send through bans (and other stuff)03:50
Tm_Tmez has evil autojoin03:50
tomawjdong: also, few staff have it and we only enable it when needed03:51
jdongah :)03:51
crdlbare you planning on kicking a staffer? :)03:51
Tm_TI am03:51
jdongTm_T: maybe I'm mistaken but I'm pretty sure chanserv.py has autorejoin, and auto-chanserv-unban03:52
jdongcrdlb: nah, just my curiousity03:52
Tm_Tjdong: sounds evil03:52
crdlbit is03:52
crdlbauto-chanserv-unban is really cool though03:52
jdongTm_T: maybe I'm wrong and S.eveas will kill me for slandering his work ;-)03:52
crdlbalthough autoreconnect on quit is unrelated to that :)03:53
jdongTm_T: yeah I made the mistake of giving someone I hang out with a copy of chanserv.py....03:54
jdongthen tried to kick him in all the ways I knew of from a channel he had access to.03:55
jdongdidn't work out so well :)03:55
jdongthe GPL needs a "you're too much of a PITA to use this software" clause :)03:55
elkbuntujdong, you remove them from the ops list03:56
elkbuntus/ops/access/03:56
jdongelkbuntu: I was still a young IRC newb at that time03:56
elkbuntuheh03:56
jdongonly slightly better since then ;-)03:57
tonyyarussoI wish there was a version of the GPL that let you link to it online instead of having to provide a full copy of the text03:57
tonyyarussoIt's silly to license a 20-line script under a license hundreds of lines long03:57
* tonyyarusso was going to put it on a school assignment, but realized it would be silly03:57
elkbuntutonyyarusso, you mean cc-esque?03:58
crdlbyou can't just put the gpl header on it?03:58
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: maybe?  Not a lot of experience with those either yet03:58
jdongthe GPL header is still gigantic03:58
tonyyarussocrdlb: nope03:58
crdlbthat's silly :/03:58
tonyyarussoI want to have the same terms as the GPL, but be able to say something like "Licensed under the GPL, available from http://fsf.org/gpl" or wahtever03:58
crdlbjust put it in the public domain :)03:59
TheSheeptonyyarusso: such a licence won't work in some countries03:59
elkbuntutonyyarusso, http://creativecommons.org/license/03:59
tonyyarussoTheSheep: ?04:00
TheSheeptonyyarusso: plus, the lawyers can claim the license was reading "500 Server error" when they went to check it ;)04:00
tonyyarussoTheSheep: then they can't use it until it's fixed, duh04:00
crdlbTheSheep: haha04:00
tonyyarussoelkbuntu: why does that thing only output HTML and not just text...04:01
tonyyarusso(And where'd the puzzle chooser go?)04:01
tonyyarussoah, found it - http://labs.creativecommons.org/freedomslicense/04:02
ubotuKl4m_ called the ops in #ubuntu ()04:02
ubotuDanalon called the ops in #ubuntu ()04:03
Amaranthum04:07
Amaranththe guy controlling that bot is in ##mrmonday04:07
Amaranth!staff04:07
ubotuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2 or Christel,  I could use a bit of your time :)04:07
AmaranthI think maybe ##MCGW has something to do with it too04:08
pipelineaudiois there a way to change the port in chatzilla?04:13
pipelineaudiochat.freenode.net:800104:16
gnomefreakjdong: your not a motu are you?04:17
tonyyarussos/your/you\'re/04:18
jdonggnomefreak: I just applied on Thursday and am anxiously awaiting decision :)04:18
Amarantheww04:18
AmaranthI have to find someone new to hang out, jdong has invaded04:19
Amarantherr, somewhere04:19
jdonghaha :)04:19
* gnomefreak still scared to apply but thats for a day when i feel confident asac will back me04:19
gnomefreaksince noone touches my builds i upload to revu due to it being moz code and i guess its time that worries them or what not04:20
jdonggnomefreak: complexity too.... yeah I feel you on working on things that others do not like to touch04:20
jdonggnomefreak: i.e. my Azureus work and my xserver-xgl work were the most difficult to get attention/sponsorship04:21
Hobbseejdong: surely we won't give you MOTU04:30
Hobbseewe want non-crack filled repos.04:30
jdongHobbsee: eerie how you say that :)04:31
Hobbsee:P04:31
jdongHobbsee: I was just drafting a spec on a Ubuntu volatile repo :D04:31
Hobbseehaha :)04:31
jdonggutsy-wimpy-backports would be my ideal pocket name ;-)04:33
* gnomefreak heads to bed i can finish burning cds tomorrow04:33
Hobbseejdong: heh04:33
dgimsealright i changed irc clients i wish to be tested04:36
dgimseand followed the instructions on the web page04:37
dgimsenever mind i'll just use the forum04:38
jdongscore 1 for jdong :)04:38
tonyyarussodgimse: you're welcome to stay, you just haven't fixed the problem yet04:38
dgimsei can't unless i update my firmware on my router04:39
dgimsei followed the instructions to the t with x chat04:39
tonyyarussoport 8001 didn't work?04:39
dgimsenope04:39
tonyyarussoodd04:40
tonyyarussomay need to restart your client or something04:40
crdlbare you sure you changed it for the right network?04:40
dgimsethink youre right about restarting the client i don't think i did that04:40
AmaranthHobbsee: My application for MOTU explicitly mentioned getting more crack in the repo04:41
HobbseeAmaranth: :)04:41
HobbseeAmaranth: yeah, but your crack and jdong's are different.04:41
dgimsealright ready for another shot04:41
jdongtonyyarusso: do the instructions for switching port clearly state to restart the client?04:42
dgimsewhen i read them they do04:42
tonyyarussojdong: no idea04:42
tonyyarusso:(04:42
jdong:(04:42
* crdlb bets he changed "Ubuntu servers" instead of "freenode" or the reverse04:43
tonyyarussohmm04:43
jdongwe shoudl just give em an iptables DNAT rule to redirect outbound 6667 to 8001 :D04:43
* jdong waits Hobbsee to scream crack :D04:44
Hobbseehaha04:44
crdlbdgimse: did you change the port for both network entries?04:44
crdlb(FreeNode, and Ubuntu Servers)04:44
dgimseboth network entries?04:44
dgimseno04:44
dgimsei'll try that04:45
crdlbI'm not sure which one you're using, so change both :)04:45
dgimsei'll have to reread the directions later because the settings are not saving to the chat app04:48
dgimseso i will try again thx guys cyas04:48
ubotuastro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (Littlechild)05:08
jdongwhat's our policy on people who join in clone pairs?05:37
jdong00:37 -!- noobuntu [n=adsfadsf@208-117-11-160.block5.gvtc.com] has quit  ["Ex-Chat"]05:38
jdong00:37 -!- linux_user400354 [n=adsfadsf@208-117-11-160.block5.gvtc.com] has quit  ["Ex-Chat"]05:38
jdongthat used to be the guy with the offensive racist term in his realname btw05:38
elkbuntujdong, depends if the clone is to circumvent a ban05:41
jdongelkbuntu: no, he never talks in the channel, just odd that he always joins in a pair05:42
elkbuntujdong, i used to connect from multiple machines before i had my laptop when i'd swap between systems via kvm05:43
jdonginteresting05:44
jdongI guess the fact that this user hasn't had a good track record over at the forums makes me wary that he idles in #ubuntuforums without saying a word too :-/05:44
jdongoh well I guess if he doesn't talk there's no harm done05:44
elkbuntujdong, feel free to watch him like a hawk05:45
jdongamen :)05:45
Hobbseejdong: i have 2 connections.05:46
Hobbseethere are legit reasons for it05:46
jdongHobbsee: indeed there are, but it's odd when his two connections are obviously through the same client05:47
jdongas they always join and quit at the exact same time05:47
Hobbseetrue05:47
AmaranthSo, uh06:56
AmaranthThe guy running the repeat bot is in ##mrmonday and has a couple bots06:56
AmaranthThat channel doesn't look very...good06:57
elkbuntumrmonday seems a familiar nick06:59
jdongelkbuntu: mrmonday does the circleoffriends newsletter thing06:59
jdongor whatever it's called06:59
jdongfullcircle06:59
elkbuntuaha06:59
jdonghe seems like a sensible guy from my interactions with him06:59
elkbuntuAmaranth, where's the bot/what's it's nick?07:00
Amaranthhours ago07:00
AmaranthDanalon07:00
elkbuntuah ok07:00
AmaranthAerialX controls it and a few others07:01
elkbuntui assume they've been spoken to?07:02
AmaranthNo, actualy07:02
Amaranth+l07:02
AmaranthI expected staff to check it out :P07:02
AmaranthWhen I called them07:02
AmaranthHe had 3 bots and two of them where in ubuntu-related channels07:02
elkbuntuwhen nalioth isnt /away any longer, maybe he's around?07:03
AmaranthI guess he got nervous when I joined because he made them all quit07:03
elkbuntus/when/well/07:03
elkbuntuAmaranth, that definately implies knowledge of wrongdoing07:03
Amaranthone of them repeated something in ##mrmonday that was obviously from an ubuntu channel and he says 'STUF' and makes it quit right away07:04
naliothaway?07:08
elkbuntunalioth, you're not set away with /away, so i figured you are around to read up to what Amaranth said07:20
naliothelkbuntu: i'm in the channel in question07:24
ubotuEvanlec called the ops in #ubuntu (kaddy)08:18
gdubzguruplz test my system to allow me into #ubuntu08:22
ompaulgdubzguru, ? were you in #ubuntu-read-topic?08:25
gdubzguruyes08:25
ompaulahh okay08:25
ompaullet me test08:25
ompaulit looks okay08:26
ompaulgive me a moment to unban you08:26
ompaulyou may enter #ubuntu - connect to 8001 if you change location / client etc08:28
ompaulthanks08:28
gdubzguruthx08:28
Mezcan i get an unban in -motu and -devel08:30
jdonghaha08:30
jdongMez: have you read the guidelines and accept the CoC?08:30
MezI have no idea what happened08:30
jdong*ducks*08:30
Mezapparenntly I was repeatedly cycling08:31
jdongyeah, you were08:31
Mezanyone got logs?08:31
Mezapparently I was excess flooding too08:31
Mezall I gots here is08:31
Mez* You have been kicked from #ubuntu-ops by -bip (Server disconnected, reconnecting)08:31
Mezyou have no idea how many channels I was getting messages in08:32
Mezloooks like there weas an attack i got caught up in as exploitable08:35
Mezfor some reason I was doing a /who on every person in every channel I'm in08:37
jdongMez: you were excess flooding and rejoining once every like 30 seconds08:38
naliothMez: what client?08:38
Meznalioth, I use xchat but connect through bip08:39
naliothxchat is bad about /who 08:39
MezIt seems like it started on the mass ctcp version08:39
Mezbut I dunno how I was doing a /who on everyone08:40
naliothxchat is bad for that08:41
Mezyeah, but i didnt nitate the command...08:41
naliothno, you don't have to08:41
naliothfor some reason xchat will go into that behaviour sometimes08:41
* Mez sighs08:42
Mezwh it happened over the cycle of the connections though08:42
* Mez sighs08:42
Mezlooks like the whole ctcp version thing08:42
ompaulchange your login port08:43
ompaulor router08:43
naliothor client08:44
Mezompaul, for a thousand users sendnig me a CTCP login ? and me responding?08:44
Mezand I connect on the correct port08:44
Mezand through my server - so I cant change the router08:44
Mezand my client - why should I change my client - I dont see any decent alternatives to xchat08:44
ompaulMez, they love you ;-) 08:45
Meznow, can smeone remove the bans in -motu and -devel08:45
Mezompaul, who lvoes me?08:46
Mezthis is the first such issue08:46
ompaulthose people sending you ctcp stuff08:46
MezIt was a fecking network attack08:46
Mezcheck your logs08:46
Mezhttp://rafb.net/p/JmCP4k37.html08:48
Mezso, nalioth any chance of lifting the bans?08:49
naliothMez: try that08:50
Mezthanks08:51
* Mez gives nalioth a cookie08:51
MezI've also made xchat not reply to CTCP version08:51
Mezhmmles..08:51
MezIt also might have been something triggered from work, as I left my PC connected there I think08:51
Mezjust an FYI: I;m restarting bip08:59
Mezexcess flood ?09:08
jdongyeah09:08
jdong04:04 -!- Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has quit [Excess Flood]09:08
Mezexcess flood ??09:10
Mez(aka was that last quit an excess flood quit09:10
MezI think I know what was going on09:10
MezI got flooded off by the CTCP versions and then cause 2 clients were coming at once09:10
Mezthey were all sending the "rejoin channel" "do unban" etc etc at the same tmie09:10
jdongyes, that log entry was from your last quit, and it said excess flood09:11
Mezyeah, as I just gave an explanatino09:12
jdongok :)09:12
* Mez removes the server bans09:14
ubotuIn ubotu, ardchoille said: ubotu sambabug is If you're still getting errors related to samba, please update your sources and your system.10:34
elkbuntui havent a clue who he is, but that line made me chortle12:03
Tm_T?12:03
elkbuntuTm_T, -offtopic12:04
ubotuIdleOne_ called the ops in #ubuntu ()12:39
Tm_Tcome on12:39
tomaw+q'd passionboy in #ubuntu since noone seemed around12:40
Tm_Ttomaw: just kick him12:42
elkbuntudealt with12:52
Tm_Tthank you sir12:52
elkbuntutomaw, anything disgusting like that, you're welcome to remove :)12:52
tomawAh, I just tend to shut people up if I'm using freenode staff status to do it, and only if it's going on for a while after people call for help12:53
elkbuntutomaw, well for future reference, we're happy for staff to use necessary force. last thing we want is someone like that taking it to PM of random people in the channel :)12:56
tomawokay :)12:56
Tm_Ttomaw: and thank you :)12:58
tomawnp12:59
elkbuntutomaw, most ubuntu channels, or at least the ones the council has power over, have /freenode/staff* in the access list, kinda like permission to do what is necessary12:59
tomawelkbuntu: freenode mostly uses that as a guide to tell us that you're happy with us helping out in the channel when there's no local ops around to deal with things or you're experiencing a large attack.  Most of the time we don't get involved in normal channel operator tasks because it would be too difficult for us to keep up with the other ops of all of the channels and we might doing things the other ops didn't want to without realising it.13:01
tomawBut yeah, I'll try to remember to clean out the trouble if I quiet them :)13:02
PriceChildWoo scored again13:43
spinchange[freenode-info]15:16
spinchangecan I get tested?15:16
spinchangenickserv Spinchange 15:19
spinchangeim looking to get "tested" i had someone do a DCCExploit on me15:28
spinchangehello?15:30
PriceChildspinchange, hey15:31
LjLdone15:31
spinchangeHey there15:31
spinchangeThanks!! :)15:31
LjLyou're welcome, you can join now15:32
spinchangeThanks guys, Im an IRC noob, so I didn't know if the room was quiet or If I was still logged out, etc15:32
spinchangeTy again LjL15:32
thunderstruckanyone have link for free windows xchat, the one i had ran out of 30 day eval and they want 20 bucks :(15:51
elkbuntuthunderstruck, google for 'silverex xchat'15:51
thunderstruckty elkbuntu i just hope its compiled with python15:52
thunderstrucki was there but didnt see anything saying it had python support15:53
elkbuntuthunderstruck, it appears to be in there according to the changelog.  http://www.xchat.org/changelog.txt15:55
spinchangeis it possible that my Nick could've been hijacked as part of DCCExploit that happened while in the Ubuntu-Help channel?15:56
elkbuntu  2.8.4 - 01/Jul/2007 <snip> * Python: Added a xchat.strip method for stripping IRC attributes and mIRC color codes.15:56
thunderstruckty i must have missed that before15:56
elkbuntuthunderstruck, worst case scenario, you download, install it, and it doesnt work, btu it's worth a try :)15:58
thunderstrucktrue15:58
spinchangesorry if this is OT, but after getting DCCE'd from an Ubuntu channel, Freenode now says my Nick belongs to someone else(?) Using the IDENTIFY command doesn't work also (password incorrect)16:01
PriceChildspinchange, nope.16:01
PriceChildspinchange, your nick was on the receiving end....16:02
PriceChildspinchange, you were affected by some nasty person... and now we've fixed the vulnerability you had.16:02
PriceChildabout the password not working... did you set an email?#16:03
spinchangethanks. Im just trying to figure out why I can't identify myself to freednode. apologies for my IRC noobism16:03
PriceChildif you set an email, type "/stats p" and msg a staffer listed on that16:03
PriceChildif you haven't... I guess its probably "tough", although you are from the same ip as the identified user was last seen from so they might take that into account :)16:05
spinchangeThanks a bunch, PriceChild. Is "/stats p" a channel or a command?16:06
PriceChildits a command16:06
spinchange"/stats p"16:08
PriceChildwithout the "s16:10
spinchangenothing seems to happen16:11
PriceChildcheck the server window16:12
Cha0sACcan i be tested?16:16
PriceChildCha0sAC, you may rejoin #ubuntu16:17
Cha0sACthanks16:17
ThunderStruckthis really sucks16:18
elkbuntuThunderStruck, no python? :(16:18
ThunderStruckno and i cant find a py plugin16:18
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elkbuntuThunderStruck, check this page http://www.larces.uece.br/~sergio/?page=xchat16:21
elkbuntufine, back to bed with me then. if he returns, repeat the link to him16:22
Midtroniccan I get tested for this dcc exploit and unbanned?16:23
PriceChildYou got half your wish.16:27
PriceChildDid we have an attack today?16:27
ThunderStruckelkbuntu, if you use the build from http://www.larces.uece.br/~sergio/?page=xchat and install the plugin it works great16:32
ThunderStruckseems that the other build was buggy with perl module anyway16:32
ThunderStruckah damn typos16:32
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TwintopHello. I believe I have fixed my DCC Exploit on my IRC Client. Is there anything else that I need to change to get unblocked? :)21:14
PriceChildTwintop, You may rejoin #ubuntu21:15
TwintopThank you very much, PriceChild. :)21:16

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