[01:37] <Dante123> Hi All, I have a Pentium 3 at 450 mhz and 192 mb ram.....should I go with the regular cd or the alternate install?  Thanks in advance for the advice.
[01:37] <TheSheep> alternate
[01:37] <TheSheep> it's always faster
[01:37] <TheSheep> well, almost always
[01:38] <Dante123> ok...thanks I was leaning that way.  I just saw I had enough to do the regular in terms of ram.
[01:41] <TheSheep> Dante123: well, that's kind of minimum...
[01:42] <Dante123> yeah, well this computer is for my kids to run audacity in and record.  Do you have another distro you suggest for this machine (that won't require me helping them more than necessary)?
[01:49] <TheSheep> Dante123: no, xubuntu is optimized for 'works out of the box'
[01:51] <R[a]ndom> I have it installed on a similar system.  Its slow, but tolerable.
[01:51] <R[a]ndom> or so I remember. dont use it much
[01:51] <R[a]ndom> its mostly a backup server
[05:24] <Posty2k3> Quick question for you guys if anyone's around... On this old laptop I have, I've managed to boot an old 7.04 disc (stops working when it's near the desktop because the disc is scratched, but at least shows the GUI starting up, etc). However, on trying to boot up 7.1, it shows a blank screen after going through the boot screen... It won't even start to go into the desktop envronment
[05:24] <Posty2k3> environment*
[05:24] <Posty2k3> Any ideas on what's wrong?
[07:43] <sugardrunkk> the applications don't seem to dock to panel anymore
[07:43] <sugardrunkk> aynone else experienced this?
[07:45] <kwhk> augardrunkk: u don't see the panels on top and bottom?
[07:47] <sugardrunkk> kwhk, i do
[07:48] <sugardrunkk> kwhk, yeasterday, the menu disappearent from the up panel and now, the apps won't dock to it when minimized
[07:55] <sugardrunkk> What is is called where the applications dock?
[07:57] <ere4si> in the panel? system tray
[08:06] <sugardrunkk> ere4si, yes, thanks :D
[08:06] <ere4si> k
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[10:05] <maristo> Hello, can Xfburn record unicode filenames? Is here some problems?
[10:50] <linuxkid> hello
[10:51] <linuxkid>  is there a way to make the windows allways open in maximized?
[15:13] <WalterBE> Hi, I have just gone over from ubuntu to xubuntu and am now trying to get everthing working again. Currently I have problems with google earth. I can not get it to work. I keeps stopping on the splach screen. I have a ATI radeon 9200 PRO grafic chip. I have found on the website of ATI proprietary software for that cart. Does anybody knows of those work for the current version of xubuntu? there are more then a year old.
[15:13] <WalterBE> http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon-prer200.html
[15:15] <TheSheep> WalterBE: if it works in gnome, it should work in xfce
[15:15] <TheSheep> WalterBE: both ubuntu and xubuntu use the same kernels and kernel modules and x drivers
[15:16] <WalterBE> it used to work in gnome, sloow, very sloow, but it worked.
[15:36] <jmolek28> hi
[15:37] <jmolek28> i screwed up my xubuntu by trying to use compiz and it wouldnt let me do anything to windows, so i deleted the packages and now i dont have any frames around windows, how could i get them back?
[15:38] <jmolek28> i had to use compiz --replace to install it in the first place
[15:39] <Tony_> wait, you cant have compiz?!
[15:39] <jmolek28> i downloaded the package
[15:39] <TheSheep> joakim_: xfwm4
[15:41] <jmolek28> well, does anyone know the --replace command to use to reverse it
[15:42] <TheSheep> joakim_: sorry :)
[15:42] <TheSheep> jmolek28: xfwm4
[15:43] <jmolek28> okay.. so in the terminal type xfwm4 --replace?
[15:43] <TheSheep> jmolek28: no
[15:43] <TheSheep> jmolek28: type 'xfwm4;
[15:43] <jmolek28> thats it?
[15:43] <TheSheep> s/;/'
[15:43] <TheSheep> sorry
[15:44] <jmolek28> okay.. brb
[15:44] <TheSheep> without the quotes
[15:44] <jmolek28> wait... so "s/xfwn4/"
[15:44] <TheSheep> xfwm4
[15:44] <jmolek28> okay
[15:44] <jmolek28> just that
[15:44] <TheSheep> 5 characters
[15:44] <jmolek28> brb
[15:44] <Tony_> just xfwm4
[15:45] <TheSheep> I sure can confuse things :)
[15:45] <jmolek28> AMAZING.. thank you so much
[15:45] <jmolek28> i had a minor flip out when i screwed it up earlier
[16:55] <eNiNjA> hello all....
[16:55] <vinze> Hey eNiNjA
[16:56] <eNiNjA> has anyone ever seen the xfce-terminal crashing xorg?
[16:57] <eNiNjA> as soon as i start the terminal, xorg crashes and takes me to the login screen
[17:00] <eNiNjA> xfce4-terminal ......my bad
[17:00] <eNiNjA> will do the same thing if i ctrl+alt+F1 to bring up the console when xfce4 is up and running
[17:01] <TheSheep> eNiNjA: yes, it happened in Gutsy with i810 and SiS graphics cards
[17:01] <eNiNjA> ah
[17:01] <eNiNjA> i have the i810
[17:01] <TheSheep> eNiNjA: setting DefaultDepth to 16 helps
[17:01] <eNiNjA> ok cool
[17:01] <TheSheep> eNiNjA: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:01] <eNiNjA> yea
[17:08] <greencookie> help
[17:08] <maristo> F1
[17:08] <greencookie> huh
[17:10] <vinze> !ask | greencookie
[17:10] <ubotu> greencookie: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[17:10] <greencookie>  lol thnx vinze
[17:10] <greencookie> I'm totally new to xfce, I come primarily from gnome background.
[17:11] <greencookie> I messed up my taskbars in xfce
[17:11] <greencookie> how do I reset everything?
[17:11] <scizzo-> hello, I was wondering isn't there suppose to be a xubuntu-restricted-extras in the repo?
[17:11] <vinze> scizzo-, there is in 7.10, just not via Add/Remove... (I've already filed a bug)
[17:11] <greencookie> scizzo-: yes there is
[17:12] <vinze> greencookie, the panel's configuration is in ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[17:12] <scizzo-> strange...its not in my repo...even though I am using all available
[17:12] <vinze> greencookie, but I suppose that'll only enable you to delete everything and re-create it again
[17:14] <sau> I messed up the panels how can I reset them? Do I have to add remove a user everytime?
[17:15] <vinze> sau, you too?
[17:15] <vinze> sau, in any case, you could copy a new user's configuration from ~/.config/xfce4/panel to your own home directory
[17:15] <sau> vinze this is greencookie. I got dc before I could read your answers.
[17:15] <sau> vinze thanks!
[17:16] <vinze> :)
[19:43] <eNiNjA> hello all
[19:47] <eNiNjA> i just wanted to say thankyou to whoever it was that helped me with the xfce4-terminal xorg crash problem earlier
[19:47] <eNiNjA> my net went down, and i couldnt come to give my gratitude =)
[20:23] <nicolah> where can I find the vnc server configuration in xubuntu 7.10 ? thanks
[23:13] <retour> anybody experienced xfce and alsa mixer problems? locked setting of capture!?
[23:13] <crimsun> that happens if you use pulseaudio
[23:14] <crimsun> (and your driver only exposes one playback/capture mixer element)
[23:14] <retour> crimsun: what does it mean pulseaudio?
[23:15] <crimsun> retour: something likely irrelevant in this situation (otherwise you'd know :)
[23:15] <retour> or simply how to cure it! It was OK yesterday and died today
[23:15] <crimsun> any apps hanging on to the mixer?
[23:16] <crimsun> `sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/mixer* /dev/audio* /dev/snd/*`
[23:16] <retour> I dont think so rebooted many times played with alsamixergui and alsamixer under console
[23:18] <retour> COMMAND    PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE  NODE NAME
[23:18] <retour> xfce-mcs- 6718 sylwek    5u   CHR 116,12      13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:18] <retour> xfce4-mix 6739 sylwek   14u   CHR 116,12      13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:19] <crimsun> expand $COLUMNS
[23:22] <retour> COMMAND         PID        USER        FD        TYPE      DEVICE SIZE       NODE NAME
[23:22] <retour> xfce-mcs-          6718      sylwek      5u        CHR        116,12              13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:22] <retour> xfce4-mix          6739      sylwek      14u       CHR        116,12             13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:23] <retour> I put more spaces but it sti;; ;ooks same
[23:23] <retour> where should I use your expand columns here or in console?
[23:25] <crimsun> hmm
[23:25] <crimsun> export COLUMNS=200
[23:25] <crimsun> then rerun it
[23:28] <retour> got disconnected: cromsun what was the last part youve got from me?
[23:28] <crimsun> 18:25 < crimsun> export COLUMNS=200
[23:28] <crimsun> 18:25 < crimsun> then rerun it
[23:32] <retour> no difference! I put it as a 1-st command and than your ls and no difference
[23:33] <crimsun> hmm, probably sudo wiping the env
[23:33] <crimsun> try without the sudo
[23:33] <retour> COMMAND    PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE  NODE NAME
[23:33] <retour> xfce-mcs- 6718 sylwek    5u   CHR 116,12      13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:33] <retour> xfce4-mix 6739 sylwek   14u   CHR 116,12      13536 /dev/snd/controlC0
[23:34] <crimsun> sigh
[23:34] <crimsun> ok, `ps 6718 ; ps 6739`
[23:34] <retour> what I can retype to make it easier?
[23:35] <retour> root@X-BOX:/home/sylwek# ps 6718 ; ps 6739
[23:35] <retour>   PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND
[23:35] <retour>  6718 ?        Ss     0:00 xfce-mcs-manager
[23:35] <retour>   PID TTY      STAT   TIME COMMAND
[23:35] <retour>  6739 ?        S      0:00 /usr/lib/xfce4-mixer/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-mixer-
[23:36] <retour> I can use the paste link if can help anyhow
[23:37] <crimsun> ok, is this behaviour reproducible after you've logged out of Xfce and into the terminal (tty/0 or vc/0)?
[23:38] <crimsun> i.e., don't use gdm, use a tty
[23:38] <retour> what behaviour?
[23:38] <crimsun> "locked setting of capture"
[23:39] <retour> hmmm let me try alsamixer under console
[23:40] <smacintyre> anyone know how to get my ensoniq (audio pci) to work with xubuntu?
[23:41] <retour> crimsun: after alsamixer under console I dont even see slider named Capture!?
[23:41] <crimsun> retour: did you press F4?
[23:41] <retour> ayyy sorry!!! Man U know everything
[23:42] <crimsun> smacintyre: what do you mean that it doesn't work?
[23:42] <smacintyre> I have no sound
[23:42] <crimsun> smacintyre: does `asoundconf list` in a Terminal list it?
[23:42] <smacintyre> ok
[23:43] <smacintyre> Names of available sound cards:
[23:43] <smacintyre> AudioPCI
[23:43] <smacintyre> Names of available sound cards:
[23:43] <smacintyre> AudioPCI
[23:44] <retour> crimsun: OK under console/root/alsamixer everything works! (visually). But under gui xfce-mixer my Capture slider is on the rubber. I pull it up and it drops back down
[23:44] <crimsun> smacintyre: it looks like it's detected just fine.  Have you checked the mixer levels?
[23:44] <crimsun> retour: probably an xfce4-mixer bug
[23:45] <smacintyre> mixer settings show everything as checked. how do you adjust levels?
[23:46] <crimsun> smacintyre: pastebin `amixer` output
[23:48] <smacintyre> Simple mixer control 'Master',0
[23:48] <smacintyre>   Capabilities: pvolume pswitch
[23:48] <smacintyre>   Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
[23:48] <smacintyre>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
[23:48] <smacintyre>   Mono:
[23:48] <crimsun> please let him know about http://pastebin.ca when he returns
[23:48] <crimsun> I'm out for a few minutes
[23:50] <somerville32> Why would I get this?
[23:50] <somerville32> [19:36] <somerville32> The court would simply order you to produce it
[23:50] <somerville32> [19:36] <somerville32> Or the attorney can issue a subpoena
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[23:51] <somerville32> [19:40] <JackQW> god dammit
[23:51] <somerville32> ermm...
[23:51] <somerville32> eth1: error fetching interface information: Device not found
[23:57] <retour> any way to cure this bug? How about totally removing and reinstalling the whole sound system?
[23:58] <crimsun> somerville32: well, I'm not sure what evil you did to be subpoenaed... ;p
[23:58] <crimsun> somerville32: probably an iface rename issue.  Check `ip a`.
[23:58] <TheSheep> and /etc/iftab
[23:59] <crimsun> somerville32: namely, my eth1 stopped being renamed from wlan0_rename
[23:59] <somerville32> eth0 mac 00:08:54:d1:98:4e
[23:59] <somerville32> eth1 mac 00:c0:4f:6f:88:44
[23:59] <crimsun> (Then again, I know the reason on my machine.  I removed the scripts.)
[23:59] <somerville32> But I can't access eth1
[23:59] <somerville32> and eth2 comes up
[23:59] <somerville32> Maybe the mac address changed?