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* Hobbsee has a question.01:18
ryanakca!ask | Hobbsee01:26
ubotuHobbsee: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)01:26
Hobbsee:P01:26
ryanakcaeh... close enough :)01:26
Hobbseei think it'll need tonio_ to answer it, though01:27
ryanakcaAh01:27
Hobbseeit's about the translations / rosetta extraction stuff.01:27
ryanakcaooh :)01:27
* ryanakca is helpless when it comes to translating... I had tried helping out with the french ones for dapper... but supposedly they had enough people and didn't want any new people at that point because of "lower quality translations flooding in" or something of the sort...01:28
* ryanakca shrugs01:28
Hobbseeheh01:28
Hobbseeriiight.01:28
Hobbseeguess everything's changing now - no point translating in rosetta, for kde.01:29
ryanakca:D01:29
ryanakcano? what do we use? kbabel?01:29
* ryanakca scratches his head and checks if kbabel can even do such a thing01:29
Hobbseedunno.  whatever upstream uses01:30
Hobbseei only speak english, and bits of german, remember?01:30
ryanakcaah, of course :D01:31
ryanakcahmmm... incredible how you need waay more text to say things in french than in english... like... the french text for the leaflet is ~ 130% longer...01:34
Hobbseehehe01:34
ryanakcas/longer/the length of the french one/01:34
nixternaldid you all know that the Linux desktop isn't innovative?01:49
nixternalMicrosoft and Mac are innovative though01:49
nixternaland people get pissed at me when I tell them the article they wrote isn't innovative either because they just regurgitated 100 previous articles on the same garbage01:49
Hobbseeheh01:50
nixternaland then get mad when I diss the Inquirer01:50
nixternaljeesh, what is this world coming to01:50
Hobbseejjesse!01:51
jjesseHobbsee: Hobbsee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!01:51
Hobbsee:)01:51
nixternalhiya jjesse01:52
jjessehiya nixternal01:52
nixternalhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2007-November/010845.html01:54
nixternal:)01:54
nixternalgotta love it01:54
jjessehey rich next week i'm in chi-town again01:55
nixternalw0t01:56
nixternalwo0t01:56
nixternalhehe01:56
nixternalwhen?01:56
nixternaldude, thanksgiving man01:56
jjesseweek after thanksgiving01:56
nixternalgroovy01:56
nixternalDec 1?01:56
nixternalhow long are you here for?01:56
jjesseweek of 26-3001:56
nixternalhrmm01:57
nixternalwe will have to plan something if I can get out...school has me strapped mon-fri01:57
jjessethat sucks01:57
nixternalman, that might be the week of final projects01:58
jjessethat does suck01:58
nixternalya it does01:59
nixternalI might be in your kneck of the woods after new years though02:00
jjessecool02:02
nixternalI know come after the spring semester, I want to go hang out for a week or so with my family out there before I really decide on heading back east02:03
jjesseah02:07
nosrednaekimwhich package provides pyuic for qt4?03:10
stdinpyqt4-dev-tools03:11
nosrednaekimthanks03:11
HobbseeMez: ping03:55
nixternalHobbsee: how did you do on your magnetic love exam?03:55
Hobbseenixternal: failed it.03:56
nixternalouch03:56
Hobbseeit's just a question of how badly i failed the entire thing :)03:56
nixternalyou need to chill a bit and hit the books!03:56
Hobbseehehe03:58
Hobbseeno, no, i have better stuff to do :)03:58
nixternalnot better than school03:58
Hobbseesure?  :)03:59
nixternalheh, I have been bustin' my butt trying to finish my schooling03:59
nixternalthat's why I have been afk so much04:00
MezHobbsee, pong, sup ?04:01
nixternalwe have had an ambulance and a police car circling our block...I think they are lost...hopefully the person who called them isn't dying04:01
HobbseeMez: is there any logical reason fro https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-devel/ ?04:01
HobbseeMez: i understand that you're not the admin, but i want to use that email.04:01
Mezno idea04:02
Mezprobs not, ask riddell04:02
Hobbseethat should all be handed over to the council, but again, that'll require Riddell to do04:02
seelewhy does the uwf only show a preview of the article instead of the entire thing?04:15
seeleer, uwn04:16
harolddongany word on when the next kde4 release will be in the repos?04:32
Hobbseewhen ppa is fixed.04:35
HobbseeRiddell: right.  we have The Answer04:56
n8k99Jucato!05:15
Jucatoyo n8k9905:15
nixternalyo yo Jucato!05:15
n8k99how are you?05:15
Jucatonixternal!!!!!!!!!!!!05:15
Jucaton8k99: relatively ok05:15
Jucatotrying to re-establish my sanity...05:15
Jucatorunning out of mt.dew doesn't help05:15
n8k99oh? oh nos! no more dew!05:15
Jucatosadly...05:16
n8k99how can you live the alternative lifestyle without a dew?05:16
Jucatothe store hasn't refilled their supply yet... stupid delivery guys didn't come the moment I bought the last bottle :(05:16
Jucatothe next best thing I can think of... 7-Up :)05:16
n8k99drat!05:18
* n8k99 hands Jucato a green tea05:18
Jucatooh I ran out of green tea weeks ago... I have milk tea now :)05:18
Jucatohm... that might be the reason I'm going insane too!05:19
Jucatonixternal: ping pong :)05:19
Jucatonixternal: remember that address book app you made for your java class? what file format does it use to store contact info?05:19
nixternalsql05:20
Jucatooh...05:20
Jucato(drat)05:20
Jucatosorry for borrowing your expression n8k9905:20
* Jucato wonders how easy/hard it would be to understand "standards" such as iCal and vCard...05:21
HobbseeRiddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/16371605:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [Undecided,New]05:21
Hobbseenixternal: ^05:25
Hobbseemhb should be given that, as well05:25
=== Hobbsee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 out, you all rock! | Merge away: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | KDE4 Beta 4 packages delayed because of Personal Package Archive build issues (Bug: #163716)
nixternalHobbsee: rock on!05:28
Hobbseenixternal: so there's the bug that broke with this rollout.05:29
Jucatonixternal: not sure if it's exactly what you're looking for, but you might want to take a peek at tellico05:51
Jucato!info tellico05:51
ubotutellico: collection manager for books, videos, music. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.13-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 819 kB, installed size 2344 kB05:51
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Hobbseeoy, Tonio_09:11
Hobbseenow that you're actually here...09:11
sahin_wHi Kubuntu developers!09:13
sahin_wDid you read this? >>> http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2007/11/making-k3b-work-on-ubuntu-710.html09:13
* Hobbsee reads09:15
Hobbseesahin_w: and how many of those deps are in multiverse?09:16
Hobbseelame certainly is09:16
* Jucato wonders if merely having the correct packages installed would have "enabled" DVD ripping...09:17
Hobbseenow, why does k3b not depend on libdvdread?09:17
Hobbseeor it's corresponding dev package?09:17
Hobbseebut, i'd be surprised if you didnt need libdvdcss2 installed09:18
sahin_wHobbsee: I haven't tested this prolem, because currently I don't have movie dvd at my workplace.09:18
sahin_wHobbsee: I'm just wondering is it a "user error" or a real problem?09:19
Hobbseesahin_w: well, it should be working with unencypted dvds, but it may not be.09:20
Hobbseeit definetly wont burn encrypted dvds09:20
sahin_wHobbsee: Yes, I know.09:20
Hobbseeffmpeg is in universe, although i'm not sure which deps are actually needed there.09:21
Hobbseelibmad0-dev - MPEG audio decoder development library should likely be there09:22
Hobbseewhat it would be wroth doing is adding a whole lot of those deps, uploading to a ppa, and seeing if it works.09:23
Hobbseesahin_w: if i make you one, can you test it when you get home?09:25
HobbseeJucato: can also test09:25
Tonio_Hobbsee: hey !09:26
Hobbsee2. Dependencies09:26
Hobbsee    * transcode version 0.6.0pre5 and its dependencies (www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/)09:26
Hobbsee    * a MPEG-4 encoder; either Xvid (www.xvid.org) or DivX4/5 (www.divx.com)09:26
Hobbsee    * libdvdread (tested with version 0.9.2, www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/)09:26
Hobbsee    * libdvdcss version 0.0.3.ogle3 for CSS-encrypted DVDs (www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/, don't use libdvdcss-1.0, its buggy and slow. Version 1.2.0 should work too, but has not been tested)09:26
Hobbseei think it's going to fail on the last point.09:26
sahin_wHobbsee: Well, I'm not sure, because I'm not going to home on this week. :-( I'm at the customer site on this week.09:26
Hobbseeoh, libdvdread dropped back to universe.09:27
Hobbseeoh well09:27
sahin_wHobbsee: Why libdvdread dropped back to universe?09:28
Hobbseesahin_w: probably because it wasnt explicitly seeded.09:28
sahin_wHobbsee: ok09:29
Hobbseeif this thing works without transcode and libdvdcss*, i'll be surprised.09:34
Hobbseeand the mpeg-4 encdoer, for that matter09:34
Hobbsee  xvidcore | 2:1.1.2-0.1ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/multiverse Sources09:35
Hobbseesahin_w: to answer your question, this is partly a "we havent included some of the deps", and partly a "we *cant* include all of the deps"09:37
Hobbseesahin_w: which is why it works on suse, and other distros that include nonfree stuff by default.09:37
Hobbseeso, the added deps is easy enough to fix, and shove them into main, if they get accepted, but we cant actually fix the latter problem.09:37
Hobbseeif the package requires stuff in multiverse to build properly with, to get all the features, then we either shove k3b to multiverse (therefore, not on cds, and not by default), or our package is crippled, as it is now.09:38
sahin_wHobbsee: Just a silly question: And what if I insatlled these tools and libs? Is it enough? Or I have to install the devel libs and recompile k3b...09:39
Hobbseesahin_w: that remains to be discovered, but the packages tend not to build the modules, if you dont have the required libraries installed.09:39
Hobbseeso, it tends to be the latter.09:39
Hobbseeincidently, i suspsect some shlibs screwups there, too.09:39
sahin_wsahin_w: Ok, thanks for the answer.09:40
sahin_wHobbsee: Ok, thanks for the answer.09:40
SeregaGreetings09:42
Hobbseehiya09:43
Hobbseei might have another task for you soon09:43
* Hobbsee --> dinner09:44
SeregaHobbsee: sorry my absense, I have my main computer broken09:44
SeregaHobbsee: it's on the warranty repairing09:44
Hobbseeno problem :)09:44
Hobbseehope it gets fixed soon09:44
Seregayeah, today09:45
SeregaHobbsee: bon appetit!)09:45
Tonio_raphink: ping ?10:00
Tonio_raphink: tu me vires mon compte de ton jabber ? :'(10:00
Tonio_raphink: why ?10:00
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buzhas anyone tried iwlwifi already?10:25
buzmy card is detected but networkmanager doesnt seem to care for it10:32
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GNUtonhi!11:42
* Hobbsee waves11:49
RiddellHobbsee: are we planning a k-c meeting any time soon?11:50
HobbseeRiddell: council?11:51
Riddellyes11:51
HobbseeRiddell: with 6 people?  that should make ti easier.11:51
Hobbseemembership meetings are harder.11:51
HobbseeRiddell: btw, i submitted a request to do some team merging on LP, too.11:51
Riddelleasier than what?11:52
Hobbseethan the membership meetings, which have everyone else.11:52
RiddellI was meaning a meeting with everyone11:52
Hobbseeright, then it's not a kubuntu-council meeting.11:52
Riddellnot the entire world, but our normal kubuntu meetings anyway11:52
HobbseeRiddell: they want a weekend, but i'm hardly going to be here this weekend.11:52
Hobbseeexams, pub, etc.11:53
Hobbseework11:53
Riddellmm, weekend's are unreliable11:53
Riddells/'//11:53
Hobbseewell, a whole lot of the other people can only really do weekends.11:53
HobbseeRiddell: glad i didnt scheduel a meeting for sunday, though.11:54
* Hobbsee was only up for ~10 hours, and only at home for ~4 of them11:54
Tonio_manchicken_: I'm on the way for fixing adept_batch segfault11:55
Tonio_manchicken_: I know what happens and I'm writing the fix11:55
HobbseeTonio_: is there a problem if all packages get extracted to rosetta?11:55
Hobbseenot just the ones in main?11:55
Tonio_Hobbsee: I would ++ this idea ;)11:55
Tonio_Hobbsee: all my universe packages are patched for rosetta btw11:55
HobbseeTonio_: well, that's kinda stupid.11:56
HobbseeTonio_: how many of those use cdbs?11:56
Tonio_my packages -> all11:56
Tonio_Hobbsee: but of course lots of them use debhelper and are debian sync11:56
HobbseeTonio_: great.  then lets shove the rosetta extraction patch into cdbs11:56
Hobbseewe cant sync, if we extract from rosetta, can we?11:56
Tonio_Hobbsee: what if those don't use cdbs ?11:56
Hobbseei thought there was the kde pot patch?11:56
HobbseeTonio_: oh, can we chuck it into debhelper instead?11:57
Tonio_Hobbsee: that's my concern, that'll make a lot more work for the motus11:57
HobbseeTonio_: based on how only main *has* to get exported out...11:57
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'm unsure about the all process without cdbs, as I never package without it :)11:57
Hobbseeif we can chuck it into debhelper, we should do that, i didn't reailse we could.11:57
Hobbseewell, they usually have to put in a whole lot of stuff separately11:57
Tonio_Hobbsee: we should be able to as cdbs is just a debhelper "frontend" soemhow11:58
Tonio_Hobbsee: but I'm very far from beeing an expert arround rosetta11:58
Tonio_Hobbsee: what does ubuntu with its universe packages ?11:58
Tonio_Hobbsee: the bigger problem is that for all apps that means upstream translation are removed from the package11:59
HobbseeTonio_: i've no idea.  i'm assuming it creates translations11:59
Hobbseeahhh11:59
Hobbseeask carlos what could be done.11:59
Hobbseebut, you should alreayd know what component the package is in11:59
Tonio_Hobbsee: then we may miss LOTS of translations if not everything is re-translated before hardy is released11:59
Hobbseeso do it for main only.11:59
Tonio_Riddell: am I wrong on that point ?11:59
Tonio_Hobbsee: depends if there is a way to extract upstream .po and import them in rosetta too12:00
Tonio_Hobbsee: that way we get the same level of translation by default and then can improve them12:00
HobbseeTonio_: ask carlos.  there may well be.12:00
HobbseeTonio_: but, there really should be a way of telling if the package is universe or main.12:00
Tonio_Hobbsee: sure, I suspect we didn't retranslate the all kde :)12:00
Tonio_so I suspect kde .po were imported in the first place before the translators starting the good work12:01
HobbseeTonio_: indeed - but we do all of main, don't we?12:01
Tonio_yep12:01
Hobbseei guess the trick would be to ask carlos about feasibility.  you know more than i do, and speak multiple languages.12:01
Tonio_Hobbsee: once again, Riddell knows the process better than I do, I only take care of patching for rosetta, but never did any translation.....12:01
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'm not the best person to ask about this, imho ;)12:02
Hobbseeright, then Riddell, you have a task :P12:02
Tonio_Riddell: I'll prepare a kdebluetooth proposed packaged toonight, as you asked :)12:02
* Hobbsee pokes carlos in the meantime.12:07
* Jucato thought Hobbsee poked this Carlos :)12:09
Hobbseehuh?12:10
Jucatothe "ca" part of my nick stands for my name, which is Carlos :P12:10
Hobbseeoh right12:10
Hobbseeyes, i forgot that :P12:10
Jucatoheheh :)12:11
RiddellTonio_: rosetta for universe makes no sense since there are no language packs12:12
Tonio_Riddell: makes no sense to patch ?12:13
Riddelldoesn't matter, it can be handy for packages which might go into main12:15
Tonio_Riddell: I know that but you once told me that patching would be nice as in the future, universe might be handled by rosetta12:15
Tonio_Riddiell: ok12:15
Riddellthere were rumours to that, but I havn't seen anything happen about it12:15
Hobbseethere are plans along that line12:16
Tonio_Riddell: so it's never a bad thing to patch an app for rosetta, although no patch shouldn't be a reason to reject the package12:16
RiddellTonio_: exactly12:17
Tonio_Riddell: I didn't get your response concerning the xdg patches you added to kdelibs12:17
RiddellI don't think I got your question12:17
Tonio_Riddell: there is a little problem arround the "Documents" entry in the speedbar12:17
Riddellmm hmm?12:17
Tonio_Riddell: that's because it isn't added the same way than other entries12:17
Tonio_there it comes with no icon12:17
Tonio_Riddell: I think the 2 patches can be merged in fact to add all entries the same way12:18
Tonio_Riddell: see http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture72.png12:19
Tonio_Riddell: there might be a reason for the 2 different way to do that, but I must say I don't see it12:19
Tonio_imho Documents should be added with the speedbar patch, which makes it possible to set the icon12:20
Tonio_Riddell: otherwise, with the other patch, filename.png is checked, and there is no documents.png icon, which causes the issue12:20
Tonio_that's little bug of course, but well, should be fixed anyway :)12:20
HobbseeRiddell: how's the kde beta 5 packages coming, btw?12:21
HobbseeRiddell: it wont get hit by the LP bug12:21
RiddellTonio_: I can't actually work out how that documents xdg patch works12:22
RiddellTonio_: you'd be best to ask helio why they're separate, since he wrote it12:23
RiddellTonio_: but I think we should add icons for the directories generally with .directory files same as we do for /home/.directory12:23
Riddellwhich would mean patching xdg-user-dirs12:24
RiddellHobbsee: working on it now, it's my priority currently12:24
RiddellHobbsee: why won't it get hit by the LP issue?12:24
Hobbseecool :)12:24
Hobbseebecause it's only a temporary issue12:24
Hobbseebecause tehy did component buggery, and never actually fixed everything.12:25
RiddellHobbsee: has it been changed back to the old behaviour12:25
Hobbseeno12:25
Tonio_Riddell: depends if we want a specific icon in konqueror12:25
Hobbseebut everything goes to their version of "main" now.12:25
RiddellTonio_: that would seem nice to me12:25
Tonio_Riddell: the icons added to the speedbar are only available in the speedbar in fact12:25
Tonio_Riddell: then we have to patch xdg-user-dir, right12:25
Tonio_Riddell: but wouldn't that impact gnome too ? that's my concern12:25
RiddellHobbsee: how does one build against universe then?12:26
RiddellTonio_: dunno if gnome uses .directory files, I suspect not12:26
Riddellit wouldn't cause any harm12:26
Tonio_Riddell: okay I'll investigate on that part then12:27
HobbseeRiddell: their version of "main" is different to ubuntu's.  now, anything in their "main" builds against ubuntu{main, restricted, universe, multiverse} + the ppa itself.12:27
Riddellwhee12:45
GNUtonPlease remove kdelibs of KDE4 beta4 from repository, because it's not binary compatible with other KDE4 packages (they aren't updated to KDE4 beta4).13:13
GNUtonYou'll add it when the others packages of KDE4 beta4 is avaible!13:14
GNUtons/is/are13:14
Riddellpackages can't be removed13:15
GNUton:(13:15
Hobbseewhat, from ppa or ubuntu archive?13:17
HobbseeGNUton: hint:  demanding is often ineffective.13:18
Hobbseebesides, it's almost fixed.13:18
GNUtonHobbsee: from ubuntu archive13:30
HobbseeGNUton:   kdelibs5 | 3.94.0-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages13:31
HobbseeGNUton: ie, wrong.13:31
GNUtonHobbsee: i'm using Gutsy :P13:32
Hobbseeoh, gutsy backports.13:32
Hobbseeactually, they probably could be nuked.13:33
Hobbseebut that wont automatically downgrade you13:33
nixternal3.94 is Beta 313:47
Hobbseenixternal: yeah, but 3.95 is in backports13:49
nixternalnice13:55
Jucatonixternal!!! :)13:55
Riddellonly part of 3.95 is in backports, that's the problem13:57
HobbseeRiddell: you can upload the rest, though13:59
RiddellI could, but I don't want to be distracted from 3.9613:59
Riddellany volunteers to compile and test 3.96 on gutsy?13:59
* nixternal 14:00
nixternalare they all built yet or no?14:01
HobbseeRiddell: ppa?14:02
Riddellnixternal: no, would need a wait two or three hours14:02
RiddellHobbsee: I could just throw them up and see what happens indeed14:02
nixternalbut you have packaged them all already?14:02
Riddellnixternal: getting there, for hardy14:03
nixternalgroovy14:03
Riddellkwwii: do you think there might be any wallpapers left over in the kde 4 contest that would be suitable for kubuntu hardy?14:03
GNUtonHobbsee: ok, i've reinstalled KDE4 beta3 and i've removed gutsy backport from my apt source list.. :)14:04
Tonio_manchicken_, Riddell: adept_batch segfault fixed14:04
Tonio_Riddell: I'm commiting on bzr14:04
GNUtonHobbsee: and now re works fine.14:04
RiddellTonio_: excellent14:04
Tonio_Riddell: should I commit in the code directly or in the form of a patch (as we have a development branch, I'm unsure what to do)14:04
RiddellTonio_: best to use a patch14:04
Tonio_oki14:04
HobbseeRiddell: it should work.  it wont hit that bug again14:05
RiddellTonio_: feel free to push the bzr archive to kubuntu-members if you want14:05
Tonio_Riddell: segfault was a real problem with kio-apt14:05
Tonio_Riddell: I'll do that then14:05
Tonio_Riddell: I'll now start implementing apt+http protocol14:06
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RiddellTonio_: have you spoken to mvo about it at all?14:08
Tonio_Riddell: not yet14:09
Tonio_Riddell: that's on my todo14:09
Tonio_Riddell: btw he will not change everything now so what's been done for gutsy can still be implemented and then see with him for future evolutions14:09
RiddellTonio_: if you havn't spoken to him how do you know he won't change anything? :)14:11
Hobbseebtw, compiz in kde should actually work now14:11
Hobbsee(hardy)14:11
RiddellHobbsee: it works for me in gutsy, what's changed?14:14
HobbseeRiddell: oh, it used to crash a lot14:15
Hobbseemaybe it was feisty i tried mroe14:15
Tonio_Riddell: good point, but that would mean that all documentations over the web using this would be made non-working ?14:15
Tonio_Riddell: that's unlikelly to happen14:15
RiddellHobbsee: it can crash in gutsy too14:16
HobbseeRiddell: wouldnt surprise me.14:16
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bddebianHeya15:32
claydohhola!15:33
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* DaSkreech waves15:34
Jucatomabuhay bddebian, claydoh, DaSkreech!15:34
Jucato(literally means "(long) live", but is the formal greeting of hello/welcome here)15:35
RiddellJucato: is there a work for "and prosper" too?15:35
Jucatohehe15:35
DaSkreechWord ;)15:36
claydohlol15:36
bddebianHi Jucato15:42
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Tonio_Riddell: I just fixed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/16341717:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 163417 in kdesudo "kdesudo+dolphin leads to command execution vulnerability" [Undecided,New]17:36
Jucato(yay!)17:36
Tonio_Riddell: will proposed an update patch17:36
dasKreechWhen is the next kubuntu-meeting ?17:38
Jucatotbd then tba17:38
dasKreechBah17:39
* dasKreech requests advance copy of the JucatoAgenda :)17:39
Jucatohuh?17:39
dasKreechBlog17:40
Jucatoah17:40
Jucatoit's in the agenda anyway..17:40
RiddelldasKreech: pick a time and get enough council members to agree17:43
Jucato(good luck :D)17:44
RiddellTonio_: what's the fix?17:45
Tonio_Riddell: args need to be quoted17:47
Tonio_then kdesudo reacts the exact same way sudo does17:47
Tonio_since then "konqueror; dolphin" is considered one command only17:47
Riddellok17:48
Tonio_Riddell: I also fixed to properly work with X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true18:13
Tonio_Riddell: the last and only thing to fix now is the -k option, to remove cache18:13
Tonio_s/fixed/fixed kdesudo/18:13
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antoneeohi, i can't find the bug page for the beta4 bug (from the topic)... where to go?18:15
JucatoBug 16371618:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16371618:16
antoneeothank you!18:16
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Riddelljpatrick: you havn't uploaded squash again18:46
jpatrickRiddell: sorry, I got cut off last night at the last moment18:47
jpatrickRiddell: done18:48
Riddellhmm, I also see squeeze in the New queue, is that related?18:49
NightroseRiddell: sqeeze is the old name of squash18:50
Riddellno, doesn't seem to be18:50
Riddellyou sure?18:50
Nightroseit had to be renamed due to a naming conflict with another program18:50
Nightrosepretty sure yes but:18:50
RiddellI suspect the squeeze I'm looking at is the other programme18:50
Nightroseapachelogger: ^18:50
Nightroseah that may be18:50
apacheloggerRiddell: unrelated18:51
apacheloggersqueeze is the xfce application I was talking about ... the reason sebr renamed to squash18:51
jpatrickRiddell: turkish site: http://www.kubuntu-tr.org/ - might be an idea to add them to support.php?19:04
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dasKreechseele: Do I know about it? :)19:25
seeledasKreech: mmm.. i dont think so, hehe19:28
dasKreechdrat :) I'm trying to get there for the 15th19:28
seelehehe19:28
Riddellkdebase  kdebase-runtime  kdebase-workspace  kdelibs  kdepimlibs uploaded, anyone want to see if they compile on gutsy?19:30
stdinhmm, my desktop seems to be doing nothing right now, I could try19:35
Riddellstdin: please do19:35
Riddelljust make sure it's 3.96.0 you apt-get source19:35
stdin3.96.0, where's that?19:37
stdinI only see 3.95a.019:38
stdin*3.95.0a19:38
* stdin pokes Riddell for a reply19:43
jpatrickstdin: mirror yet to update?19:43
stdinI'll switch to the main archive and see19:44
stdinahh, now I see it19:44
jpatrick:)19:46
stdinno, wait, I don't :p still 3.95.0 in archive.u.c19:48
jpatrickstdin: do you have hardy deb-src's?19:49
stdinyep19:49
jpatrickno idea from me then..19:50
stdinthe source isn't even on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kde4base/19:50
jpatrickstdin: you could dget from launchpad: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/kde4libs/4:3.96.0-1ubuntu119:53
stdinnow why didn't I think of that? :p19:54
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nixternalwo0t, got my pyqt4 book today20:41
nixternalhardcover at that...almost feels like I am taking it at the uni20:41
jpatricknixternal: :( oh, I wish I had one20:42
nixternal$38 from amazon...not to shabby20:43
nixternaland it is full of python love20:43
nixternalRiddell or anyone for that matter...I need to start doing more dev stuff, or real dev stuff...I am starting to feel like a mushroom sitting on the forest floor rotting away...and no, not the type of mushroom you eat!20:47
* yuriy thinks nixternal poisoned someone20:48
nixternalgotta take it easy though, I am brushing up on the Qt and KDE APIs here and attempting to teach myself to like python :)20:48
nixternalI am just a poisonous person I guess :)20:48
nixternaloh wait, those aren't good to have around20:49
* ScottK grumbles to nixternal about pinentry-qt420:49
nixternalScottK: ahh yes, I totally forgot about that...I will start playing around with that again20:49
nixternalI have been so busy writing papers, doing c++, java, javascript, php projects, and doing a couple of side jobs as well20:50
ScottKIt'd be good, I think, to get this into the LTS release ...20:50
nixternalyes, I have enough time :)20:51
stdinjpatrick: just so you know, you apparently can't dget from launchpadlibrarian.net because it puts the .orig.tar.gz, .dsc and .diff.gz in different ascending numbered directories :p, so I had to make a little script to do it for me (well, didn't _have_ to, but did it anyway)20:52
nixternalstdin: nice, you must share that script, because that librarian stuff is/was annoying20:53
ScottKstdin: That's be a useful addition to ubuntu-dev-tools.20:53
nixternal+120:53
stdinright now it's a total hack, but I'll clean it up and pastebin it somewhere20:54
nixternalyay, 2 more merges complete for me20:58
nixternalnext month once this semester finishes, I am hitting the bug squashing big time20:58
ryanakca:D21:02
jpatrickryanakca: I don't see the fr i18n yet ;)21:03
stdinnixternal, ScottK: I think this version should work with any .dsc (although it doesn't actually read the .dsc) 1st generalised draft http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/52221:18
stdinuse it like "./scriptname http://launchpadlibrarian.net/number/package.dsc21:19
ryanakcajpatrick: *nods*... not done, My teacher is correcting it... I had to submit a french text of any type for school, so I submitted the leaflet, and I'll get it back... soon, I hope...21:22
* ryanakca 's teacher /does/ like to procrastinate... might be quicker to have my mom check it...21:23
ryanakcaI made sure to print off a pile of definitions from the OQLF (Office québécois de la langue française) website, since several computer terms aren't old enough to be in the dictionary :)21:25
ryanakcaeh... *searches for pseudo-code he can try implementing in C++*21:25
jpatrickryanakca: awesome, and you'll teach him/her about kubuntu at the same time21:31
* ryanakca nods21:33
Riddellstdin: did you get it compiling?21:39
stdinRiddell: just started kdelibs21:39
stdindownload took forever21:40
Riddellyes, they're big packages21:41
manchickenTonio_: I thought I had already posted a patch for that bug21:49
manchicken(Bug #153710)21:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 153710 in adept "adept_batch crashes if target package does not exist" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15371021:49
Tonio_manchicken: I saw that :)22:13
Tonio_manchicken: I uploaded yours as the code was a bit shorter22:13
manchickenDid we duplicate efforts?22:13
Tonio_manchicken: you should have ping me !!22:13
Tonio_manchicken: of course we did ;)22:14
manchickenI said something to Riddell.  It's all his fault.22:14
Tonio_Riddell: wooooooooooooooooo !!22:14
Tonio_manchicken: not a big deal, bu as we discussed the bug before, and unfortunately I missed the bug on launchpad.........22:14
manchickenAh.22:15
Tonio_manchicken: if I had seen that one, I wouldn't have done this today :)22:15
manchickenheh22:15
Tonio_manchicken: no problem, the only thing is that it is uploaded now, and the bug is fixed22:15
manchickenYup.22:15
manchickenI just wanted to make sure we both knew we were both solving the same problem :)22:15
Tonio_hehe, well the only good news is that both of us did found teh same fix :)22:16
Tonio_manchicken: better that 2 people searching for none founding I must say :)22:16
manchickenTrue.22:16
Riddelloops22:17
Tonio_manchicken: the only thing is that you do with .valid, when I did 2 tests, with .canInstall and canRemove22:17
Tonio_manchicken: same header, 2 ways to fix :)22:17
Tonio_Riddell: not a big problem, I just lost a couple of hours22:17
Tonio_manchicken: hump no I was doing 2 tests, when you do only one :)22:19
Tonio_manchicken: I missed the valid() method :'(22:19
Tonio_was way easier :)22:19
Tonio_I also had to catch for the exception22:19
Tonio_manchicken: you are definately a better coder than me hehe :)22:20
lnxkdeguys22:21
Tonio_hi lnxkde22:21
manchickenheh22:21
lnxkdewhat is the prefix for kde headers on kubuntu?22:21
lnxkdeusr?22:21
manchickenI don't know if I would say I was better.22:21
Tonio_lnxkde: /usr/include/kde22:22
lnxkde./configure --prefix=/usr/include/kde22:22
Tonio_manchicken: don't say it, I will say it for you hehe :)22:22
lnxkdecorrect?22:22
Tonio_no prefix=/usr22:22
Tonio_the include/kde is added to that22:22
Tonio_the prefix root is usr22:22
lnxkdethen I think I dont have them ....22:23
Riddelllnxkde: apt-get install kdelibs4-dev22:24
lnxkdeyea doing it now22:24
lnxkdeThankx man anyway22:24
Tonio_lnxkde: riddel was faster than me, I was about to say the same :)22:24
Tonio_lnxkde: you're welcome22:24
lnxkdeTHANKX :D22:25
lnxkdeI am building adeb for kiroker22:25
lnxkdeIt looks nice22:25
lnxkde:)22:25
Riddelljpatrick: krita-plugins contains .svn directories (may be upstream's fault)22:27
jpatrickRiddell: damn22:27
Riddelljpatrick: it's not a rejectable offence22:27
Riddelljpatrick: accepted!22:28
jpatrickRiddell: I'll knote for NUR22:28
RiddellNUR?22:28
Tonio_Riddell, jpatrick I have a problem and dunno if that's a bug22:28
Tonio_what if you right click on a file and then "compress" and "file.tar.gz"22:28
Tonio_not in the second submenu, on the first22:28
Tonio_works if I choose tar.gz on the second level, but I get an error message while choosing the first22:28
Tonio_can one of you confirm please ?22:29
RiddellTonio_: right click -> actions -> compress -> gzipped, Ark goes boom22:30
Tonio_Riddell: you do with dolphin ? I meant in konqueror, using ark_plugin, sorry :)22:31
Riddellyes, dolphin22:32
Tonio_Riddell: looks like both problems are linked22:32
Tonio_Riddell: I can confirm with dolphin22:32
Tonio_can you confirm with konqueror ?22:32
Tonio_Riddell: btw with konq, the archive is created but I get a window telling me that this doesn't appear to be a vlid tar archive blabla22:32
Tonio_the outputed archive is valid btw, strange22:33
Tonio_same problem if I use "add to archive..." and then select tar.gz on the dialog box22:33
Riddellkonqueror right click -> compress -> compress as .tar.gz  ark shows its progress bar and doesn't go away22:33
Tonio_yep, I'll had that to fix on my todo, ark seems to be broken with 3.5.8 :/ very annoying22:34
Tonio_Riddell: yep, but the archive is created and contains the files :) that's the tricky thing22:34
Tonio_Riddell: I hope gutsy 3.5.8 packages don't have the issue :/22:34
Riddelljpatrick: how big a patch is kicker-compiz to kicker?22:34
Tonio_Riddell: added to my todo, I'll work on that problem this week22:35
jpatrickRiddell: no patch, seperate plugin22:35
jpatrickno idea how big..22:35
jpatrickRiddell: it basically makes compiz and desktop pager friends22:37
_StefanS_does other parts of compiz work reliably in kde 3.5.8?22:40
_StefanS_window manager etc..22:40
_StefanS_havent tried it out :)22:40
jpatrick_StefanS_: been working good for weeks here22:41
_StefanS_jpatrick: uhm, what packages did you use?22:41
jpatrickRiddell: I could make patches for the package kicker tho22:41
jpatrick_StefanS_: ones I made and Riddell's currently deciding whether to approve :)22:41
_StefanS_jpatrick: got them on ppa?22:42
jpatricknop22:42
_StefanS_jpatrick: I could test..22:42
* Riddell just approved them22:42
jpatrick_StefanS_: just got approved :) cheers Riddell22:42
_StefanS_jpatrick: got an url so I can test them now?22:43
jpatrick_StefanS_: not yet in LP, sorry :(22:44
_StefanS_jpatrick: uhm ok, too bad.. are they meant for hardy?22:45
jpatrickyep22:45
jpatrick_StefanS_: but I'll request backports22:45
_StefanS_jpatrick: ok sounds nice.. but the packages probably work on gutsy without alterations, right?22:46
jpatrick_StefanS_: I am on Gutsy and they're working22:46
_StefanS_jpatrick: email them :D22:46
_StefanS_jpatrick: pretty anxious to test them22:46
jpatrick_StefanS_: but you want ppc no?22:49
_StefanS_jpatrick: argh.. just remembered.. I need amd64 binaries22:50
jpatrick_StefanS_: wait a few hours and the buildds will freak out over them22:50
_StefanS_jpatrick: I'll just check tomorrow..22:51
jpatrick_StefanS_: would you like the src package to build?22:51
_StefanS_jpatrick: yes please :D22:52
stdin(kdelibs5 42%) this is going to take a while23:04
Riddellstdin: I'm afraid it does23:04
stdinI forgot how long the 1st compile takes, I'm used to doing "svn up; cd build;make install"23:05
Riddelljpatrick: hmm, kde-style-domino has files under LGPL, but doesn't include a copy of LGPL23:12
_StefanS_holy cow that compiz thing has really improved..23:13
Riddell_StefanS_: working for you?23:13
_StefanS_Riddell: yes23:13
Riddell_StefanS_: compiz-kde ?23:13
_StefanS_Riddell: yes, and just a compiz --replace... everything works23:13
_StefanS_ring switcher and all sorts of cool madness :)23:14
_StefanS_I might actually start using it23:14
_StefanS_part of the success might be because I got rid of my useless ati card23:15
Riddellapachelogger_: tastymenu seems to have similar problems23:22
TiMiDohey everyone,23:49
jjessehello TiMiDo23:50
TiMiDohey jjesse23:51
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jjessels23:56
* DaSkreech puts a . in front of himself23:56

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