=== claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [01:18] * Hobbsee has a question. [01:26] !ask | Hobbsee [01:26] Hobbsee: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) [01:26] :P [01:26] eh... close enough :) [01:27] i think it'll need tonio_ to answer it, though [01:27] Ah [01:27] it's about the translations / rosetta extraction stuff. [01:27] ooh :) [01:28] * ryanakca is helpless when it comes to translating... I had tried helping out with the french ones for dapper... but supposedly they had enough people and didn't want any new people at that point because of "lower quality translations flooding in" or something of the sort... [01:28] * ryanakca shrugs [01:28] heh [01:28] riiight. [01:29] guess everything's changing now - no point translating in rosetta, for kde. [01:29] :D [01:29] no? what do we use? kbabel? [01:29] * ryanakca scratches his head and checks if kbabel can even do such a thing [01:30] dunno. whatever upstream uses [01:30] i only speak english, and bits of german, remember? [01:31] ah, of course :D [01:34] hmmm... incredible how you need waay more text to say things in french than in english... like... the french text for the leaflet is ~ 130% longer... [01:34] hehe [01:34] s/longer/the length of the french one/ [01:49] did you all know that the Linux desktop isn't innovative? [01:49] Microsoft and Mac are innovative though [01:49] and people get pissed at me when I tell them the article they wrote isn't innovative either because they just regurgitated 100 previous articles on the same garbage [01:50] heh [01:50] and then get mad when I diss the Inquirer [01:50] jeesh, what is this world coming to [01:51] jjesse! [01:51] Hobbsee: Hobbsee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [01:51] :) [01:52] hiya jjesse [01:52] hiya nixternal [01:54] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2007-November/010845.html [01:54] :) [01:54] gotta love it [01:55] hey rich next week i'm in chi-town again [01:56] w0t [01:56] wo0t [01:56] hehe [01:56] when? [01:56] dude, thanksgiving man [01:56] week after thanksgiving [01:56] groovy [01:56] Dec 1? [01:56] how long are you here for? [01:56] week of 26-30 [01:57] hrmm [01:57] we will have to plan something if I can get out...school has me strapped mon-fri [01:57] that sucks [01:58] man, that might be the week of final projects [01:58] that does suck [01:59] ya it does [02:00] I might be in your kneck of the woods after new years though [02:02] cool [02:03] I know come after the spring semester, I want to go hang out for a week or so with my family out there before I really decide on heading back east [02:07] ah [03:10] which package provides pyuic for qt4? [03:11] pyqt4-dev-tools [03:11] thanks [03:55] Mez: ping [03:55] Hobbsee: how did you do on your magnetic love exam? [03:56] nixternal: failed it. [03:56] ouch [03:56] it's just a question of how badly i failed the entire thing :) [03:56] you need to chill a bit and hit the books! [03:58] hehe [03:58] no, no, i have better stuff to do :) [03:58] not better than school [03:59] sure? :) [03:59] heh, I have been bustin' my butt trying to finish my schooling [04:00] that's why I have been afk so much [04:01] Hobbsee, pong, sup ? [04:01] we have had an ambulance and a police car circling our block...I think they are lost...hopefully the person who called them isn't dying [04:01] Mez: is there any logical reason fro https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-devel/ ? [04:01] Mez: i understand that you're not the admin, but i want to use that email. [04:02] no idea [04:02] probs not, ask riddell [04:02] that should all be handed over to the council, but again, that'll require Riddell to do [04:15] why does the uwf only show a preview of the article instead of the entire thing? [04:16] er, uwn [04:32] any word on when the next kde4 release will be in the repos? [04:35] when ppa is fixed. [04:56] Riddell: right. we have The Answer [05:15] Jucato! [05:15] yo n8k99 [05:15] yo yo Jucato! [05:15] how are you? [05:15] nixternal!!!!!!!!!!!! [05:15] n8k99: relatively ok [05:15] trying to re-establish my sanity... [05:15] running out of mt.dew doesn't help [05:15] oh? oh nos! no more dew! [05:16] sadly... [05:16] how can you live the alternative lifestyle without a dew? [05:16] the store hasn't refilled their supply yet... stupid delivery guys didn't come the moment I bought the last bottle :( [05:16] the next best thing I can think of... 7-Up :) [05:18] drat! [05:18] * n8k99 hands Jucato a green tea [05:18] oh I ran out of green tea weeks ago... I have milk tea now :) [05:19] hm... that might be the reason I'm going insane too! [05:19] nixternal: ping pong :) [05:19] nixternal: remember that address book app you made for your java class? what file format does it use to store contact info? [05:20] sql [05:20] oh... [05:20] (drat) [05:20] sorry for borrowing your expression n8k99 [05:21] * Jucato wonders how easy/hard it would be to understand "standards" such as iCal and vCard... [05:21] Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/163716 [05:21] Launchpad bug 163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [Undecided,New] [05:25] nixternal: ^ [05:25] mhb should be given that, as well === Hobbsee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 out, you all rock! | Merge away: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | KDE4 Beta 4 packages delayed because of Personal Package Archive build issues (Bug: #163716) [05:28] Hobbsee: rock on! [05:29] nixternal: so there's the bug that broke with this rollout. [05:51] nixternal: not sure if it's exactly what you're looking for, but you might want to take a peek at tellico [05:51] !info tellico [05:51] tellico: collection manager for books, videos, music. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.13-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 819 kB, installed size 2344 kB === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:11] oy, Tonio_ [09:11] now that you're actually here... [09:13] Hi Kubuntu developers! [09:13] Did you read this? >>> http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2007/11/making-k3b-work-on-ubuntu-710.html [09:15] * Hobbsee reads [09:16] sahin_w: and how many of those deps are in multiverse? [09:16] lame certainly is [09:17] * Jucato wonders if merely having the correct packages installed would have "enabled" DVD ripping... [09:17] now, why does k3b not depend on libdvdread? [09:17] or it's corresponding dev package? [09:18] but, i'd be surprised if you didnt need libdvdcss2 installed [09:18] Hobbsee: I haven't tested this prolem, because currently I don't have movie dvd at my workplace. [09:19] Hobbsee: I'm just wondering is it a "user error" or a real problem? [09:20] sahin_w: well, it should be working with unencypted dvds, but it may not be. [09:20] it definetly wont burn encrypted dvds [09:20] Hobbsee: Yes, I know. [09:21] ffmpeg is in universe, although i'm not sure which deps are actually needed there. [09:22] libmad0-dev - MPEG audio decoder development library should likely be there [09:23] what it would be wroth doing is adding a whole lot of those deps, uploading to a ppa, and seeing if it works. [09:25] sahin_w: if i make you one, can you test it when you get home? [09:25] Jucato: can also test [09:26] Hobbsee: hey ! [09:26] 2. Dependencies [09:26] * transcode version 0.6.0pre5 and its dependencies (www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/) [09:26] * a MPEG-4 encoder; either Xvid (www.xvid.org) or DivX4/5 (www.divx.com) [09:26] * libdvdread (tested with version 0.9.2, www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/) [09:26] * libdvdcss version 0.0.3.ogle3 for CSS-encrypted DVDs (www.dtek.chalmers.se/groups/dvd/, don't use libdvdcss-1.0, its buggy and slow. Version 1.2.0 should work too, but has not been tested) [09:26] i think it's going to fail on the last point. [09:26] Hobbsee: Well, I'm not sure, because I'm not going to home on this week. :-( I'm at the customer site on this week. [09:27] oh, libdvdread dropped back to universe. [09:27] oh well [09:28] Hobbsee: Why libdvdread dropped back to universe? [09:28] sahin_w: probably because it wasnt explicitly seeded. [09:29] Hobbsee: ok [09:34] if this thing works without transcode and libdvdcss*, i'll be surprised. [09:34] and the mpeg-4 encdoer, for that matter [09:35] xvidcore | 2:1.1.2-0.1ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/multiverse Sources [09:37] sahin_w: to answer your question, this is partly a "we havent included some of the deps", and partly a "we *cant* include all of the deps" [09:37] sahin_w: which is why it works on suse, and other distros that include nonfree stuff by default. [09:37] so, the added deps is easy enough to fix, and shove them into main, if they get accepted, but we cant actually fix the latter problem. [09:38] if the package requires stuff in multiverse to build properly with, to get all the features, then we either shove k3b to multiverse (therefore, not on cds, and not by default), or our package is crippled, as it is now. [09:39] Hobbsee: Just a silly question: And what if I insatlled these tools and libs? Is it enough? Or I have to install the devel libs and recompile k3b... [09:39] sahin_w: that remains to be discovered, but the packages tend not to build the modules, if you dont have the required libraries installed. [09:39] so, it tends to be the latter. [09:39] incidently, i suspsect some shlibs screwups there, too. [09:40] sahin_w: Ok, thanks for the answer. [09:40] Hobbsee: Ok, thanks for the answer. [09:42] Greetings [09:43] hiya [09:43] i might have another task for you soon [09:44] * Hobbsee --> dinner [09:44] Hobbsee: sorry my absense, I have my main computer broken [09:44] Hobbsee: it's on the warranty repairing [09:44] no problem :) [09:44] hope it gets fixed soon [09:45] yeah, today [09:45] Hobbsee: bon appetit!) [10:00] raphink: ping ? [10:00] raphink: tu me vires mon compte de ton jabber ? :'( [10:00] raphink: why ? === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [10:25] has anyone tried iwlwifi already? [10:32] my card is detected but networkmanager doesnt seem to care for it === aplg|mobile is now known as apachelogger [11:42] hi! [11:49] * Hobbsee waves [11:50] Hobbsee: are we planning a k-c meeting any time soon? [11:51] Riddell: council? [11:51] yes [11:51] Riddell: with 6 people? that should make ti easier. [11:51] membership meetings are harder. [11:51] Riddell: btw, i submitted a request to do some team merging on LP, too. [11:52] easier than what? [11:52] than the membership meetings, which have everyone else. [11:52] I was meaning a meeting with everyone [11:52] right, then it's not a kubuntu-council meeting. [11:52] not the entire world, but our normal kubuntu meetings anyway [11:52] Riddell: they want a weekend, but i'm hardly going to be here this weekend. [11:53] exams, pub, etc. [11:53] work [11:53] mm, weekend's are unreliable [11:53] s/'// [11:53] well, a whole lot of the other people can only really do weekends. [11:54] Riddell: glad i didnt scheduel a meeting for sunday, though. [11:54] * Hobbsee was only up for ~10 hours, and only at home for ~4 of them [11:55] manchicken_: I'm on the way for fixing adept_batch segfault [11:55] manchicken_: I know what happens and I'm writing the fix [11:55] Tonio_: is there a problem if all packages get extracted to rosetta? [11:55] not just the ones in main? [11:55] Hobbsee: I would ++ this idea ;) [11:55] Hobbsee: all my universe packages are patched for rosetta btw [11:56] Tonio_: well, that's kinda stupid. [11:56] Tonio_: how many of those use cdbs? [11:56] my packages -> all [11:56] Hobbsee: but of course lots of them use debhelper and are debian sync [11:56] Tonio_: great. then lets shove the rosetta extraction patch into cdbs [11:56] we cant sync, if we extract from rosetta, can we? [11:56] Hobbsee: what if those don't use cdbs ? [11:56] i thought there was the kde pot patch? [11:57] Tonio_: oh, can we chuck it into debhelper instead? [11:57] Hobbsee: that's my concern, that'll make a lot more work for the motus [11:57] Tonio_: based on how only main *has* to get exported out... [11:57] Hobbsee: I'm unsure about the all process without cdbs, as I never package without it :) [11:57] if we can chuck it into debhelper, we should do that, i didn't reailse we could. [11:57] well, they usually have to put in a whole lot of stuff separately [11:58] Hobbsee: we should be able to as cdbs is just a debhelper "frontend" soemhow [11:58] Hobbsee: but I'm very far from beeing an expert arround rosetta [11:58] Hobbsee: what does ubuntu with its universe packages ? [11:59] Hobbsee: the bigger problem is that for all apps that means upstream translation are removed from the package [11:59] Tonio_: i've no idea. i'm assuming it creates translations [11:59] ahhh [11:59] ask carlos what could be done. [11:59] but, you should alreayd know what component the package is in [11:59] Hobbsee: then we may miss LOTS of translations if not everything is re-translated before hardy is released [11:59] so do it for main only. [11:59] Riddell: am I wrong on that point ? [12:00] Hobbsee: depends if there is a way to extract upstream .po and import them in rosetta too [12:00] Hobbsee: that way we get the same level of translation by default and then can improve them [12:00] Tonio_: ask carlos. there may well be. [12:00] Tonio_: but, there really should be a way of telling if the package is universe or main. [12:00] Hobbsee: sure, I suspect we didn't retranslate the all kde :) [12:01] so I suspect kde .po were imported in the first place before the translators starting the good work [12:01] Tonio_: indeed - but we do all of main, don't we? [12:01] yep [12:01] i guess the trick would be to ask carlos about feasibility. you know more than i do, and speak multiple languages. [12:01] Hobbsee: once again, Riddell knows the process better than I do, I only take care of patching for rosetta, but never did any translation..... [12:02] Hobbsee: I'm not the best person to ask about this, imho ;) [12:02] right, then Riddell, you have a task :P [12:02] Riddell: I'll prepare a kdebluetooth proposed packaged toonight, as you asked :) [12:07] * Hobbsee pokes carlos in the meantime. [12:09] * Jucato thought Hobbsee poked this Carlos :) [12:10] huh? [12:10] the "ca" part of my nick stands for my name, which is Carlos :P [12:10] oh right [12:10] yes, i forgot that :P [12:11] heheh :) [12:12] Tonio_: rosetta for universe makes no sense since there are no language packs [12:13] Riddell: makes no sense to patch ? [12:15] doesn't matter, it can be handy for packages which might go into main [12:15] Riddell: I know that but you once told me that patching would be nice as in the future, universe might be handled by rosetta [12:15] Riddiell: ok [12:15] there were rumours to that, but I havn't seen anything happen about it [12:16] there are plans along that line [12:16] Riddell: so it's never a bad thing to patch an app for rosetta, although no patch shouldn't be a reason to reject the package [12:17] Tonio_: exactly [12:17] Riddell: I didn't get your response concerning the xdg patches you added to kdelibs [12:17] I don't think I got your question [12:17] Riddell: there is a little problem arround the "Documents" entry in the speedbar [12:17] mm hmm? [12:17] Riddell: that's because it isn't added the same way than other entries [12:17] there it comes with no icon [12:18] Riddell: I think the 2 patches can be merged in fact to add all entries the same way [12:19] Riddell: see http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture72.png [12:19] Riddell: there might be a reason for the 2 different way to do that, but I must say I don't see it [12:20] imho Documents should be added with the speedbar patch, which makes it possible to set the icon [12:20] Riddell: otherwise, with the other patch, filename.png is checked, and there is no documents.png icon, which causes the issue [12:20] that's little bug of course, but well, should be fixed anyway :) [12:21] Riddell: how's the kde beta 5 packages coming, btw? [12:21] Riddell: it wont get hit by the LP bug [12:22] Tonio_: I can't actually work out how that documents xdg patch works [12:23] Tonio_: you'd be best to ask helio why they're separate, since he wrote it [12:23] Tonio_: but I think we should add icons for the directories generally with .directory files same as we do for /home/.directory [12:24] which would mean patching xdg-user-dirs [12:24] Hobbsee: working on it now, it's my priority currently [12:24] Hobbsee: why won't it get hit by the LP issue? [12:24] cool :) [12:24] because it's only a temporary issue [12:25] because tehy did component buggery, and never actually fixed everything. [12:25] Hobbsee: has it been changed back to the old behaviour [12:25] no [12:25] Riddell: depends if we want a specific icon in konqueror [12:25] but everything goes to their version of "main" now. [12:25] Tonio_: that would seem nice to me [12:25] Riddell: the icons added to the speedbar are only available in the speedbar in fact [12:25] Riddell: then we have to patch xdg-user-dir, right [12:25] Riddell: but wouldn't that impact gnome too ? that's my concern [12:26] Hobbsee: how does one build against universe then? [12:26] Tonio_: dunno if gnome uses .directory files, I suspect not [12:26] it wouldn't cause any harm [12:27] Riddell: okay I'll investigate on that part then [12:27] Riddell: their version of "main" is different to ubuntu's. now, anything in their "main" builds against ubuntu{main, restricted, universe, multiverse} + the ppa itself. [12:45] whee [13:13] Please remove kdelibs of KDE4 beta4 from repository, because it's not binary compatible with other KDE4 packages (they aren't updated to KDE4 beta4). [13:14] You'll add it when the others packages of KDE4 beta4 is avaible! [13:14] s/is/are [13:15] packages can't be removed [13:15] :( [13:17] what, from ppa or ubuntu archive? [13:18] GNUton: hint: demanding is often ineffective. [13:18] besides, it's almost fixed. [13:30] Hobbsee: from ubuntu archive [13:31] GNUton: kdelibs5 | 3.94.0-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/universe Packages [13:31] GNUton: ie, wrong. [13:32] Hobbsee: i'm using Gutsy :P [13:32] oh, gutsy backports. [13:33] actually, they probably could be nuked. [13:33] but that wont automatically downgrade you [13:47] 3.94 is Beta 3 [13:49] nixternal: yeah, but 3.95 is in backports [13:55] nice [13:55] nixternal!!! :) [13:57] only part of 3.95 is in backports, that's the problem [13:59] Riddell: you can upload the rest, though [13:59] I could, but I don't want to be distracted from 3.96 [13:59] any volunteers to compile and test 3.96 on gutsy? [14:00] * nixternal [14:01] are they all built yet or no? [14:02] Riddell: ppa? [14:02] nixternal: no, would need a wait two or three hours [14:02] Hobbsee: I could just throw them up and see what happens indeed [14:02] but you have packaged them all already? [14:03] nixternal: getting there, for hardy [14:03] groovy [14:03] kwwii: do you think there might be any wallpapers left over in the kde 4 contest that would be suitable for kubuntu hardy? [14:04] Hobbsee: ok, i've reinstalled KDE4 beta3 and i've removed gutsy backport from my apt source list.. :) [14:04] manchicken_, Riddell: adept_batch segfault fixed [14:04] Riddell: I'm commiting on bzr [14:04] Hobbsee: and now re works fine. [14:04] Tonio_: excellent [14:04] Riddell: should I commit in the code directly or in the form of a patch (as we have a development branch, I'm unsure what to do) [14:04] Tonio_: best to use a patch [14:04] oki [14:05] Riddell: it should work. it wont hit that bug again [14:05] Tonio_: feel free to push the bzr archive to kubuntu-members if you want [14:05] Riddell: segfault was a real problem with kio-apt [14:05] Riddell: I'll do that then [14:06] Riddell: I'll now start implementing apt+http protocol === Shely is now known as iLeng [14:08] Tonio_: have you spoken to mvo about it at all? [14:09] Riddell: not yet [14:09] Riddell: that's on my todo [14:09] Riddell: btw he will not change everything now so what's been done for gutsy can still be implemented and then see with him for future evolutions [14:11] Tonio_: if you havn't spoken to him how do you know he won't change anything? :) [14:11] btw, compiz in kde should actually work now [14:11] (hardy) [14:14] Hobbsee: it works for me in gutsy, what's changed? [14:15] Riddell: oh, it used to crash a lot [14:15] maybe it was feisty i tried mroe [14:15] Riddell: good point, but that would mean that all documentations over the web using this would be made non-working ? [14:15] Riddell: that's unlikelly to happen [14:16] Hobbsee: it can crash in gutsy too [14:16] Riddell: wouldnt surprise me. === iLeng is now known as Shely === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [15:32] Heya [15:33] hola! === \sh is now known as \sh_away [15:34] * DaSkreech waves [15:34] mabuhay bddebian, claydoh, DaSkreech! [15:35] (literally means "(long) live", but is the formal greeting of hello/welcome here) [15:35] Jucato: is there a work for "and prosper" too? [15:35] hehe [15:36] Word ;) [15:36] lol [15:42] Hi Jucato === Daskreech2 is now known as dasKreech [17:36] Riddell: I just fixed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/163417 [17:36] Launchpad bug 163417 in kdesudo "kdesudo+dolphin leads to command execution vulnerability" [Undecided,New] [17:36] (yay!) [17:36] Riddell: will proposed an update patch [17:38] When is the next kubuntu-meeting ? [17:38] tbd then tba [17:39] Bah [17:39] * dasKreech requests advance copy of the JucatoAgenda :) [17:39] huh? [17:40] Blog [17:40] ah [17:40] it's in the agenda anyway.. [17:43] dasKreech: pick a time and get enough council members to agree [17:44] (good luck :D) [17:45] Tonio_: what's the fix? [17:47] Riddell: args need to be quoted [17:47] then kdesudo reacts the exact same way sudo does [17:47] since then "konqueror; dolphin" is considered one command only [17:48] ok [18:13] Riddell: I also fixed to properly work with X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true [18:13] Riddell: the last and only thing to fix now is the -k option, to remove cache [18:13] s/fixed/fixed kdesudo/ === \sh_away is now known as \sh [18:15] hi, i can't find the bug page for the beta4 bug (from the topic)... where to go? [18:16] Bug 163716 [18:16] Launchpad bug 163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163716 [18:16] thank you! === \sh is now known as \sh_away === GNUro is now known as GNUton [18:46] jpatrick: you havn't uploaded squash again [18:47] Riddell: sorry, I got cut off last night at the last moment [18:48] Riddell: done [18:49] hmm, I also see squeeze in the New queue, is that related? [18:50] Riddell: sqeeze is the old name of squash [18:50] no, doesn't seem to be [18:50] you sure? [18:50] it had to be renamed due to a naming conflict with another program [18:50] pretty sure yes but: [18:50] I suspect the squeeze I'm looking at is the other programme [18:50] apachelogger: ^ [18:50] ah that may be [18:51] Riddell: unrelated [18:51] squeeze is the xfce application I was talking about ... the reason sebr renamed to squash [19:04] Riddell: turkish site: http://www.kubuntu-tr.org/ - might be an idea to add them to support.php? === jpetso_ is now known as jpetso [19:25] seele: Do I know about it? :) [19:28] dasKreech: mmm.. i dont think so, hehe [19:28] drat :) I'm trying to get there for the 15th [19:28] hehe [19:30] kdebase kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace kdelibs kdepimlibs uploaded, anyone want to see if they compile on gutsy? [19:35] hmm, my desktop seems to be doing nothing right now, I could try [19:35] stdin: please do [19:35] just make sure it's 3.96.0 you apt-get source [19:37]