[00:00] <Minataku> You quickly realize that a GUI is completely useless for most tasks
[00:00] <jack> yeah :(
[00:00] <Minataku> Everyone heaps praise over Konq being a good file manager
[00:01] <Minataku> When the best one is sitting right there when you open an xterm
[00:01] <jack> :P
[00:01] <biovore> konquer isn't that bad actualy.. to can extend it..
[00:01] <biovore> (you can)
[00:02] <Minataku> If you're even a mediocre typist, you can move a file faster in the CLI than you can dragging it all over the place with a mouse
[00:02] <x_zeuss> someone pls help with this error:  (initramfs) [ 53.053436]  ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
[00:02] <Minataku> Ooooh
[00:02] <Minataku> That looks bad
[00:02] <jack> yuck
[00:02] <jack> The mouse is fuckign up like it didi  in the ubuntu live cd
[00:02] <jack> <_<
[00:02] <Minataku> !language
[00:02] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[00:03] <jack> Sorry
[00:03] <Minataku> There was a reason I censored my string of swear words
[00:03] <Minataku> lol
[00:03] <jack> Its aggrivatign to watch your mouse put on camogear
[00:03] <jack> :(
[00:03] <x_zeuss> someone.......
[00:03] <vasilisa> !restricted
[00:03] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[00:03] <biovore> !ask
[00:03] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[00:03] <Minataku> x_zeuss: I'll need to look that one up
[00:04] <x_zeuss> pls do
[00:04] <x_zeuss> i can't find any sollutions for this on google or forums
[00:04] <x_zeuss> i've been searching for about a mounth now
[00:04] <biovore> ata controller problem it looks like...
[00:04] <x_zeuss> and it seems to be not just my problem
[00:04] <biovore> what ata control you have?
[00:05] <x_zeuss> ata 100
[00:05] <x_zeuss> paralel ata
[00:05] <biovore> chipset..
[00:05] <x_zeuss> sis730
[00:05] <biovore> ICH7 or something
[00:05] <Minataku> Hm
[00:05] <biovore> brb..  dinner
[00:05] <Minataku> Something isn't supported, I think
[00:05] <x_zeuss> the only hdd that it worked with was a very old one 6,4 BG
[00:05] <jack> Minataku: know how I can route sound input to my speakers?
[00:05] <jack> It works w/o setup in *windows*
[00:05] <jack> :'(
[00:06] <jack> My setup is all screwy
[00:06] <jack> Music on laptop
[00:06] <jack> laptop desktop
[00:06] <jack> Speakers
[00:06] <Minataku> x_zeuss: Do you have a RAID array setup? Does the chipset support RAID?
[00:06] <jack> Dolphin is worse than Konqoror
[00:06] <jack> o.o
[00:06] <Minataku> It's also possible that you have a bad ATA chipset
[00:07] <x_zeuss> no, no raid
[00:07] <aziegler> i have a problem with my printer installation
[00:07] <aziegler> can anyone help me
[00:07] <aziegler> i use kubuntu gutsy
[00:07] <jhutchins> there are some faulty ata chipsets out there, and a few that don't have compatible drivers.
[00:07] <aziegler> my printer is an canon pixma ip5300
[00:07] <jack> I thought it was gusty for a long time :(
[00:08] <Minataku> Hm
[00:08] <jhutchins> Often a problem like that is a matter of one chip in the chipset not being quite right.
[00:08] <x_zeuss> on same computer it worked with only one hdd installed, a very old 6,4 GB one
[00:08]  * jack is a moron
[00:08] <Minataku> Yeah, this may very well be a case
[00:08] <x_zeuss> but with other 2 hdds that i have no luck at all
[00:08] <Minataku> x_zeuss: You may have a bad ATA chipset
[00:08] <jhutchins> aziegler: have you googled "canon pixma ip5300 linux"?
[00:08] <aziegler> when i use lsusb kubuntu found my printer as device
[00:08] <zismuc> spanish
[00:08] <Minataku> If it just plain doesn't work, look into replacing it
[00:08] <Minataku> !es
[00:08] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[00:08] <aziegler> yes i googled 4 it
[00:09] <x_zeuss> but how come it works with an older hdd?
[00:09] <Dr_willis> Canon printers? pixma? Ick... You may want to go check cups.org to even see if that printer has ANY linux support at all.
[00:09] <jack> Oh shit
[00:09] <jack> How do I make a new Kwallet?
[00:09] <stdin> jack watch the language
[00:09] <Minataku> x_zeuss: Is there more to the error than just that?
[00:09] <jack> D:
[00:09] <Dr_willis> I know there are some Canon printers that have NO linux support at all.
[00:09] <jhutchins> x_zeuss: lower speeds or protocols may not stress whatever's broken.
[00:09] <Minataku> And that is true, what jh said
[00:09] <Minataku> It's possible that the older drive isn't capable of reaching what's causing the issue
[00:10] <jack> Fixed
[00:10] <Minataku> Which seems to be broken DMA from what I can gather off Google
[00:10] <Minataku> It would seem that faster drives are trying to go faster than the controller can support, the controller CLAIMS to support it, but it's actually broken
[00:10] <x_zeuss> that's the only error
[00:10] <Minataku> Your ATA chipset is bogus
[00:11] <x_zeuss> hmmm, and the sollution is another motherboard?
[00:11] <Minataku> Or an expansion card with separate chipset
[00:12] <Minataku> I could be wrong too, but it's likely that your chipset is lame, or the drivers can't support it
[00:12] <theverant> .j #ubuntu
[00:12] <Minataku> Pastebin your dmesg for me
[00:12] <x_zeuss> is there anything i can do to the hdd to slow it down a little so that it can work?
[00:12] <Minataku> I want to read it
[00:12] <theverant> whoops
[00:12] <x_zeuss> read what?
[00:13] <Minataku> Your dmesg output
[00:13] <INIT_6> Just installed kubuntu. however, i think it didn't set my root (hd0,1) correctly. If I boot into the live cd. how do i edit the correct /boot/grub/menu.lst.
[00:13] <x_zeuss> i'm a little noob so you'll have to tell me where to look for it
[00:13] <Minataku> Type "dmesg > tempfile" in an xterm
[00:14] <Minataku> Then open up tempfile in, say, Kate or somesuch
[00:14] <Minataku> Then select all, copy, and paste it into !pastebin
[00:14] <Minataku> !pastebin
[00:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[00:14] <x_zeuss> i'm in XP now
[00:14] <Minataku> Then give me the link
[00:14] <Minataku> Does your Linux installation boot at all?
[00:15] <x_zeuss> only at the start where i can choose install or safe mode
[00:15] <x_zeuss> it doesn't boot into the gui
[00:16] <x_zeuss> only a few seconds of splash screen and than busybox with that error
[00:16] <Minataku> Hrm
[00:16] <Minataku> It's definitely a chipset issue
[00:16] <Minataku> It's either bad or unsupported
[00:16] <x_zeuss> but the opensuse 10.3 witch has same kernel doesn't have this problem
[00:16] <Minataku> At which point I don't think there's much that can be done
[00:16] <Minataku> Hrm
[00:17] <Minataku> Then it's unsupported by Kubuntu
[00:17] <Minataku> File a bug
[00:17] <Minataku> !bug
[00:17] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[00:17] <Minataku> It's clearly a bug in Kubuntu
[00:17] <x_zeuss> it's allready filed by others but still no sollution
[00:17] <jhutchins> x_zeuss: Suse has access to propietary closed-source driver code.
[00:17] <Minataku> If it works in another distro, then it's Kubuntu at fault
[00:17] <jhutchins> x_zeuss: Or rather, Novell does.
[00:18] <Minataku> Does OpenSUSE?
[00:18] <admin_> how do i get "sans" in kubuntu? I can get "Sans" in XFCE
[00:18] <Minataku> OpenSUSE I believe is no longer directly under Novell
[00:18] <jhutchins> Minataku: Of course, it's the same company.
[00:18] <jhutchins> Minataku: Novell's just not paying the devs.
[00:18]  * Minataku shrugs
[00:19] <jhutchins> They let people work on it for free, then they adopt the code into the closed products.
[00:19] <Minataku> Sounds like FUD to me, jhutchins
[00:19] <Minataku> You have conclusive proof of this?
[00:19] <Minataku> Last I checked, the GPL didn't allow for such
[00:20] <admin_> how do i get "sans" in kubuntu? I can get "Sans" in XFCE
[00:20] <Minataku> I know for a fact Sun does it with OpenSolaris, because the CDDL is set up for that
[00:20] <Minataku> Of course, they also keep the contributed code open as well
[00:20] <jhutchins> Minataku: OS-X, RHEL, there's others.
[00:20] <hydrogen> !topic
[00:20] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[00:20] <Dr_willis> admin_,  you installed the ms font packatges yet?
[00:20] <dsmith_> i have compiz-fusion installed but when I switching windows managers it does not show, just the window itself. Did I forget something?
[00:21] <dsmith_> I am on 7.10 btw
[00:21] <Minataku> jhutchins: Well Apple is just plain evil incarnate
[00:21] <Dr_willis> dsmith_,  you insalled emerald also?
[00:21] <x_zeuss> so what is your advice to me?
[00:21] <dsmith_> thought I did
[00:21] <jhutchins> Minataku: We are offtopic.
[00:21] <Minataku> x_zeuss: Toss the Kubuntu ISO, I suppose
[00:21] <Dr_willis> emerald --replace  (perhaps)
[00:21] <Minataku> I doubt you'll get it working without some serious work
[00:21] <Dr_willis> dsmith_,  check the compiz wiki page yet?  may of missed a package
[00:21] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[00:21] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[00:22] <dsmith_> thanks guys
[00:22] <x_zeuss> and what other distro cand u suggest that is as up to date as *buntu, looks good and works good?
[00:22] <admin_> yes Dr_willis
[00:22] <biovore> x_zeuss: take your pick..  redhat, suse, debian
[00:22] <biovore> debian might have the same problem though..
[00:22] <Minataku> Gentoo, Fedora Core, FreeBSD, NetBSD
[00:23] <x_zeuss> redhat=money, suse=very slow, debian=not very up to date
[00:23] <biovore> fedora core == free
[00:23] <biovore> thats redhat
[00:23] <x_zeuss> i downloaded about 4 iso's of fedora, all broken
[00:23] <INIT_6> you think some one can help me on this. I have done it before but forgot. I need to edit the grub/menu.lst file booted into the liveCD tried to mount /dev/sde3 but nothing shows. how do i get to the grub files what are installed
[00:23] <Dr_willis> admin_,  thers also the redhat liberationfonts - that are worth grabbing   http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/30/installing-redhats-free-liberation-fonts/
[00:24] <Minataku> There's Gentoo, or you can try one of the BSDs like FreeBSD or NetBSD
[00:24] <Dr_willis> Hmm pc cant install or cant boot the live cd's ?
[00:25] <admin_> ok Dr_willis
[00:25] <admin_> they only come as RPMs Dr_willis
[00:26] <admin_> ah, someone made a .deb of them Dr_willis
[00:28] <dsmith_> !compiz
[00:28] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[00:29] <stdin> INIT_6: "sudo mount /dev/sde3 /mnt" then it'll be in /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst  (if it's your root partition)
[00:29] <INIT_6> just got it. I was a idiot. trying to mount my swap not my root. thats why it wasn't working thanks for the help stdin
[00:30] <stdin> heh
[00:30] <Minataku> lol
[00:31] <Celebrindal> does anyone know how to use Amarok properly?
[00:31] <Celebrindal> because I for one do NOT... I cant do a darn thing on it....
[00:32] <Dr_willis> admin_,  :) or ya can get the tar.gz to install for a normal user
[00:33] <Dr_willis> Hmm. run amarok, point it to my Music dir.. hit play
[00:34] <wildweasel_> woot.. I may have to switch everythign to kunbuntu.. this is great..
[00:44] <Dr_willis> There we go.. using the Liberation fonts now. :)
[00:45] <NickPresta> I think I'm confused. There is a java sdk 1.5 package, correct?
[00:45] <Dr_willis> I think so.
[00:45] <Dr_willis> !java
[00:45] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[00:46] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I never understand all the java bits and names...
[00:46] <INIT_6> After install getting invalid partition table.  So i went into grub changed root to root (hd0,1) and in device map removed everything and put (hd0) ?dev/sde
[00:46] <INIT_6> This is becuase I have a couple SATA controller cards and the order of my drives are not the same during boot up as they are after the linux kernal loads
[00:46] <Dr_willis> !find sdk
[00:46] <ubotu> Found: kdesdk-dbg, kdesdk-doc-html, kdesdk-scripts, eclipse-sdk, eclipse-sdk-nls (and 17 others)
[00:46] <hydrogen> !find jdk
[00:46] <Dr_willis> !find java-sdk
[00:46] <ubotu> Found: icedtea-java7-jdk, sun-java5-jdk, sun-java6-jdk
[00:46] <ubotu> Found: free-java-sdk, icedtea-java7-jdk
[00:47] <Dr_willis> 1.5 is 5?
[00:47] <Dr_willis> whats different from a sdj to a jdk ?
[00:47] <Dr_willis> sdk vs. jdk
[00:47] <hydrogen> sdk/jdk is the same thing
[00:47] <hydrogen> java developer kit.. software developer kit
[00:47] <Dr_willis> same thing - only different names.. :)
[00:47] <maybeway36> jdk is a kind of sdk
[00:47] <INIT_6> Did I mess up or any other reasons you know why it would give error "invalid partition table"
[00:48] <Dr_willis> INIT_6,  hmm could use the grub shell and its 'find' command to find where the  grub files are at.
[00:49]  * Dr_willis wonders how a sata controller card is seen by grub - if it needs a module loaded to work...
[00:49] <Dr_willis> magic?
[00:49] <INIT_6> could you remind me again how to get into the grub shell? just type grub?
[00:49] <Dr_willis> at the grub menu - hit 'e' or c, or somthing like that. :)
[00:49] <maybeway36> i think C
[00:50] <Dr_willis> when booting. That way you can see what the actual grub  is seeing
[00:50] <INIT_6> I don't get to the grub menu errors out before
[00:50] <INIT_6> I have been going back into the liveCD to edit files
[00:50] <Dr_willis> Ahh so grub isent even seeing the menu.lst eh? no menu entrys at all?
[00:51] <INIT_6> yeah
[00:51] <Dr_willis> You have a 'normal' drive not on an sata controller card?
[00:51] <Dr_willis> It may be grub isent totally sure hat to do with drives on those cards.
[00:51] <INIT_6> all drives are sata
[00:51] <INIT_6> the install hdd is connected to my mother board
[00:51] <Dr_willis> no sata on the mb eh.. Hmm..
[00:51] <INIT_6> and have two other satacards
[00:52] <Dr_willis> ok.Hmm. well that one on the mb should work then.
[00:52] <Dr_willis> so grub loads then says invalid partition right away?
[00:53] <INIT_6> It was working, then i tried to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.1 and frooze druing the install saved it a couple times but keept doing the same thing so I thought a reinstal would help.
[00:53] <INIT_6> doesn't even get to grub
[00:53] <INIT_6> I guess it does but don't see it
[00:53] <Dr_willis> if grub isent even loading. that sounds like the bios is set to boot the wrong hd.
[00:53] <Dr_willis> You using RAID or anything else special?
[00:53] <INIT_6> no raid
[00:54] <INIT_6> I might try playing with the bios
[00:54] <angel> jeccrbt руссские есть?
[00:54] <Dr_willis> I would almost be tempted to unplug all the extra hd's and just see if you can boot the one hd.
[00:54] <INIT_6> cuz i  think you are right,
[00:54] <BluesKaj> !ru
[00:54] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[00:54] <INIT_6> Thanks for the help, going to play with bios setting if that does work I will just unplug everything :)
[00:55] <Dr_willis> when in doubt.. simpilfy!
[00:55] <INIT_6> kiss it, why would i kiss a computer
[00:55] <angel> ух ты! а руссифицировать Крбунту можна.))
[00:55] <stdin> !ru
[00:55] <ubotu> Пожалуйста войдите в #ubuntu-ru для помощи на русском языке  /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[00:56] <angel> ((
[00:57] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. thers a lot of letters in that alphabet that ive never seen befor. :)
[00:57] <BluesKaj> INIT_6, sometimes hitting the escape button just when grub is about to load will give you the grub menu...you can also edit the the /boot/grub/menu.lst and comment out the hiddenmenu command if it's causing the prob.
[00:57] <Minataku> lol
[00:58] <angel> im pogibat....((( hllp
[00:58] <Dr_willis>  /nick Пожалуйста
[00:58] <Dr_willis> Пожалуйста :Erroneous Nickname
[00:59] <angel> bay =)
[01:00] <Dr_willis> жжжж ж ж ж ж   - what kind of letter is that? It looks like a little spider.
[01:02] <fernando_> someone here use kdevelop?? I need a bit help...
[01:03] <biovore> I have done some stuff with it.. Not an expert though..
[01:03] <biovore> can try #kdevelop
[01:04] <fernando_> biovore: I did't, but is just a few user..so I am waiting the all time without answer :-p
[01:05] <stdin> try asking the question and see if anyone knows
[01:05] <biovore> rgr..
[01:05] <fernando_> biovore: I want include a directore with headers on my project, how can I do that?
[01:05] <biovore> add -I as a gcc flag
[01:05] <biovore> -I/path/to/incude/dir
[01:05] <INIT_6> hey, thanks, it was a bios setting. for some reason last install it worked with it set to boot from raid device this time worked booting from scsi device. I don't really understand how it could have been different unless my cmos got reset because my computer was turned off for about 5weeks
[01:06] <fernando_> yes..I did that.. but doesnt work..
[01:06] <stdin> fernando_: why not #include "directory/header/h"     ?
[01:06] <Dr_willis> INIT_6,  seen that happen befor
[01:06] <biovore> doing something wrong then..
[01:07] <fernando_> stdin: because work just for a few files, later files include other files and the problem is to do it with each file..
[01:07] <fernando_> stdin: isn't the right solution
[01:11] <stdin> fernando_: open the "Automake Manager" tab (on the right) and click the Options button (near the top right), there you can set includes and flags
[01:15] <vasilisa> How do you configure an ATI card to work well? I followed the site's instructions and set up the proprietary driver, only to find that all 2d including KDE were slow and choppy. Furthermore, when i ran openarena, all of the textures were messed up (but it ran)
[01:15] <szakulec> what's the quickest way to create a package for something I built from source? (I'm not planning to distribute it currently)
[01:15] <fernando_> how can I know the value of $(WX_LIBS)
[01:15] <draik> If krecordmydesktop doesn't work right, what other apps can I use to record my desktop?
[01:15] <fairman> Hi please how can i unload module ipw3945? I am trying to hibernate laptop.
[01:16] <stdin> szakulec: quickest is "checkinstall", for local install only
[01:16] <Dr_willis> fairman,  sudo rmmod ipw3945
[01:16] <szakulec> okay- thanks
[01:17] <fairman> Dr_willis: but only temporary, not forever and which command is for launch modul?
[01:17] <Dr_willis> sudo modprobe whatevermodule
[01:17] <fairman> thanks
[01:18] <fernando_> how can I know the value of $(WX_LIBS)???
[01:18] <Dr_willis> echo  $(WX_LIBS)
[01:18] <Dr_willis> perhaps?
[01:18] <stdin> helps if you give some context
[01:18] <fernando_> Dr_willis: thanks
[01:18] <hydrogen> err
[01:18] <stdin> bash, Makefile, preprocessor
[01:18] <hydrogen> that won't work
[01:18] <biovore> yeah its probably a makefile varible
[01:18]  * Dr_willis has no idea about makefiles or preprocessors. :)
[01:19] <fernando_> Dr_willis: didn't work.. but thanks anyway..
[01:19] <Dr_willis> its not a bash env variable that curtnely set then. :)
[01:19] <stdin> if it's in a makefile then you could try "echo $(WX_LIBS)" in a home-made target
[01:20] <hydrogen> Dr_willis: err, that wouldn't work in bash either
[01:20] <hydrogen> $() is subshell syntax
[01:20] <hydrogen> you want ${}
[01:20]  * Dr_willis squinta
[01:20]  * Dr_willis squinta
[01:21]  * Dr_willis squints
[01:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:21] <stdin> Makefiles do use $() for variables
[01:21] <Dr_willis> Time for a larger font!
[01:21] <hydrogen> stdin: see the "in bash either" section? :)
[01:22] <stdin> this would be an example of a home-made target to print the value http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/521
[01:22] <stdin> then you do "make mytarget"
[01:22] <fernando_> stdin: ok..one second..
[01:23] <biovore> make babies..    Don't mind if I do.. :-P
[01:31] <fernando_> stdin: didn't work..
[01:31] <stdin> fernando_: what did it print?
[01:32] <fernando_> make: *** No rule to make target
[01:33] <paulo> hello people
[01:33]  * Dr_willis looks around... People? Ahhhhh! people! :)
[01:33] <paulo> Im having a little problem with broken packages
[01:34] <paulo> anyone can help me?
[01:34]  * Minataku meows and flicks a cheetah ear as he swishes his three fox tails back and forth
[01:34] <Minataku> X3
[01:34] <INIT_6> what packages are broken?
[01:34] <bobito> Hey, I've been playing around with compiz and it doesn't respond to my super key.  I've played around with xmodmap and xev, and its set up correctly though.  I'm too new to linux to come up with any more ideas.  Anyone willing to help?
[01:34] <Minataku> paulo: Is it Samba?
[01:34] <paulo> it was samba
[01:34] <Minataku> !sambabug
[01:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sambabug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:34] <Minataku> Hm
[01:35] <Minataku> It must be fixed now
[01:35] <Minataku> Try again
[01:35] <paulo> it is libgnomevfs2-common 127
[01:35] <jagcorvair> !purekde
[01:35] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[01:36] <Minataku> Ew... GNOME.
[01:36] <paulo> ok... but know eithe adept or apt-get cant do any install
[01:36] <Minataku> Dirty disgusting garbage
[01:37] <BluDog_Anchorite> is wireless still as big a pita as it used to be ?
[01:37] <paulo> what can I doi with this?
[01:37] <stdin> fernando_: are you sure you put it in right, it's the target name, then a newline and a tab, then the command
[01:39] <fernando_> yes, I copy from you post..., but don't worry.. I am using the variable, its work at the moment...
[01:39] <flaccid> wireless rox
[01:42] <Dr_willis> if it works. :)
[01:43] <Dr_willis> otherwise it sux.
[01:44] <paulo> sudo aptitude remove ubuntu-desktop doesnt work
[01:44] <paulo> what more can I do to force remove libgnomevfs2-common?
[01:45] <Dr_willis> ubuntu-desktop is jsut a meta packakage - it wont really remove much of anything
[01:45] <Dr_willis> !info libgnomevfs2-common
[01:45] <ubotu> libgnomevfs2-common: GNOME Virtual File System (common files). In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.20.0-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 465 kB, installed size 4108 kB
[01:45] <jagcorvair> System is now 100% KDE.
[01:45] <Dr_willis> apt-get remove -force -purge libgnomevfs2-common     perhaps?
[01:45] <jagcorvair> I have many packages installed
[01:45] <Dr_willis> or is it --force --purge ?
[01:45] <jagcorvair> For the life of this computer, I cannot get it to play a DVD
[01:45] <jagcorvair> Some issue with Kaffeine and permissions.
[01:46] <paulo> =<val>???
[01:46] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: I don't think "-force" is good there
[01:46] <paulo> why?
[01:47] <jagcorvair> For all of you using Kaffeine, what are your settings?
[01:48] <ardchoille> paulo: sudo apt-get remove -purge should zap it
[01:48] <jagcorvair> ardchoille: It's --purge
[01:48] <ardchoille> ok
[01:48] <paulo> i will try
[01:48] <ardchoille> Well, I use aptitude
[01:49] <paulo> nope!
[01:49] <paulo> nothing
[01:49] <ardchoille> paulo: What errors do you get?
[01:49] <paulo> error 127
[01:50] <paulo> Erros foram encontrados durante processamento de:
[01:50] <paulo>  libgnomevfs2-common
[01:50] <paulo>  synaptic
[01:51] <paulo> translating to english: there were found errors during processing
[01:52] <ardchoille> Isn't error 127 meaning a process wasn't found?
[01:52] <Minataku> Try purging those two packages
[01:53] <ardchoille> paulo: Are you compiling something?
[01:53] <paulo> dpkg: erro processando libgnomevfs2-common (--remove):
[01:53] <paulo>  subprocesso post-removal script retornou código de saída de error 127
[01:53] <paulo> nothing
[01:54] <paulo> dpkg: erro processando libgnomevfs2-common (--remove):
[01:54] <paulo>  subprocesso post-removal script retornou código de saída de error 127
[01:54] <paulo> In english:
[01:54] <paulo> dpkg: error processing libgnomevfs2-common (--remove):
[01:54] <paulo>  subprocess post-removal script return exit error code 127
[01:55] <jagcorvair> Does anyone know what I may be missing in this system which will not allow DVD playback?
[01:56] <ardchoille> paulo: apt-cache policy libgnomevfs2-common | grep Installed
[01:56] <ardchoille> jagcorvair: libdvdcss2 ?
[01:56] <paulo> ardchoille: returned nothing
[01:57] <paulo> Minataku: tried purge both, nothing
[01:57] <jagcorvair> ardchoille: Installed
[01:57] <ardchoille> paulo: Ok, you may have other provlems because that should have returned something
[01:57] <stdin> it's case sensitive, so "Installed" is not the same as "installed"
[01:58] <ardchoille> jagcorvair: Hold on, I'm looking at my system..
[01:58] <jagcorvair> ardchoille: Thank you
[01:58] <ardchoille> jagcorvair: libdvdread3  and  libdvdnav4 ?
[01:58] <paulo> both installed and Installed returnd nothing
[01:58] <jagcorvair> ardchoille: Would you mind sending me your "dpkg --get-selections > filename.txt"
[01:59] <jagcorvair> ardchoille: Got those installed too
[01:59] <BluesKaj> jagcorvair, what message do you receive when dvds won't play ?
[01:59] <ardchoille> jagcorvair: I feel that won't help as much as the way BluesKaj  is attacking this :)
[01:59] <jagcorvair> BluesKaj: It's all in Kaffeine. I don't have sufficient rights. I'm missing plug-ins. Things along those lines
[02:00] <BluesKaj> jagcorvair, what about other media players like VLC ?
[02:00] <jagcorvair> BluesKaj: Nothing will play the DVDs :(
[02:00] <jagcorvair> I have many players, none work
[02:01] <ardchoille> jagcorvair: libxine1-ffmpeg ?
[02:02] <jagcorvair> ardchoille: installed
[02:02] <ardchoille> Interesting
[02:02] <jagcorvair> I just tried with a backup DVD. It didn't even show a prompt
[02:02] <paulo> well guys,,,, thanks all for trying to help
[02:02] <BluesKaj> puzzler that
[02:03] <paulo> have to work tomorrow
[02:03] <paulo> bye all!
[02:03] <ardchoille> paulo: Try the forums
[02:03] <paulo> I will... thanks ardchoille
[02:05] <jagcorvair> I am thinking about reinstalling Kubuntu 7.10
[02:06] <jagcorvair> Yes? No?
[02:06] <ardchoille> jagcorvair: Did you use 3rd party scripts for installing/tweaking?
[02:06] <jagcorvair> ardchoille: Nope.
[02:07] <jagcorvair> ardchoille: BluesKaj: Would you recommend I just start fresh?
[02:07] <ardchoille> jagcorvair: I have found that xine and mplayer work great. They are the only two which support closed captions so I like them.
[02:07] <jagcorvair> ardchoille: I never cared for CC. Kaffeine has worked on my other computer
[02:08] <ardchoille> I'vbe never figured out how to get kaffeine to display colsed captions
[02:09] <jagcorvair> Interesting....
[02:09] <jagcorvair> This computer has two drives
[02:10] <jagcorvair> The top drive is solely CD burner; does not play DVDs
[02:10] <ardchoille> CD-R
[02:10] <sammy> (not saying there aren't any reasons why) why would someone install a mozilla thunderbird extension through adept-installer/manager instead of through thunderbird's add-on manager?
[02:10] <BluesKaj> reinstalling 7.10 is an option jagcorvair , albeit a rather drastic one ...of i must ask the obvious question does system settings/advanced/disk&filesystems show the dvdrom ?
[02:10] <jagcorvair> The other drive, the one that doesn't want to work, Is a DL DVD burner. I just put in a CD and it didn't even load as it did with the CD-R drive.
[02:11] <ardchoille> sammy: Reasons #1 the package manager can auto-=update the extension so the user doesn't have to worry about it
[02:11] <jagcorvair> BluesKaj: Checking right now.....
[02:11] <sammy> ardchoille: gold star. and cookie
[02:11] <jagcorvair> BluesKaj: Yes, it does
[02:11] <sammy> that's a fantastic reason.
[02:12] <ardchoille> :)
[02:12] <jagcorvair> BluesKaj: Mount: /media/cdrom1    device:  /dev/scd1     Type: Auto
[02:13] <jagcorvair> BluesKaj: Oh yeah, it's on disabled. It won't enable
[02:13] <sammy> thunderbird's package manager doesn't automagically (or have the option to) check for updates, like the firefox add-on manager?
[02:14] <sammy> s/package manager/extension manager/
[02:14] <BluesKaj> jagcorvair, it will be disabled if there's no media in the device
[02:14] <jagcorvair> BluesKaj: The Kubuntu 7.10 CD is inside the DVD drive
[02:16] <jagcorvair> I think I'm going to start fresh
[02:18] <BluesKaj> got me puzzled unless you didn't choose a username & password when you installed
[02:19] <BluesKaj> actaully I'm glad he din't see that last remark :)
[02:19] <ardchoille> sammy: Not sure, but think about this. What happens if there is a huge security hole and a security update to the extension and I don't use thunderbird for a month.. that security hole goes unpatched for a month until I run tb again? But, if I install it via the package manager, it gets updated sooner.
[02:20] <ardchoille> It may not be a big deal, but I dislike leaving updates go for more than 24 hours.
[02:21] <bobito> Hey, I've been playing around with compiz and it doesn't respond to my super key.  I've played around with xmodmap and xev, and its set up correctly though.  I'm too new to linux to come up with any more ideas.  Anyone willing to help?
[02:22] <draik> !compiz | bobito
[02:22] <ubotu> bobito: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[02:22] <bobito> thanks
[02:23] <bobito> out of curiosity, is there a reason it didnt ship with>
[02:23] <bobito> ?
[02:23] <stdin> because it doesn't work well with kde
[02:23] <jagcorvair> BluesKaj: Actually, I did read your last comment
[02:23] <jagcorvair> :)
[02:23] <jagcorvair> BluesKaj: Yes, I do have a un/pw
[02:24] <ardchoille> bobito: Just my opinion, but I'm glad it didn't. Not everyone wants to have to uninstall that junk after first boot.
[02:24] <bobito> ardchoille: why do you dislike it so much?
[02:24] <jagcorvair> I am getting the same error again. No Xserver when I try to install through the Live CD
[02:24] <ardchoille> bobito: That would be off-topic :)
[02:25] <sammy> ardchoille: crap, okay. next trip to seattle, you get cookies
[02:25] <legnaleurc> I even can't found a compiz window manager for KDE....
[02:25] <ardchoille> sammy: :D
[02:25] <bobito> ccsm worked fine
[02:25] <bobito> ardchoille, tell me in a pm?
[02:26] <stdin> legnaleurc: kde-window-decorator ?
[02:26] <jagcorvair> Aside from rebuilding this moded Dell, what options do I have for making the DVD player work?
[02:27] <stdin> bobito: ?
[02:27] <ardchoille> bobito: If you like it, use it :)
[02:28] <bingwuwang_> adept bengqui
[02:28] <bobito> ardchoille: I love it, and I will, I've just never heard ill speak of it.  You've piqued my curiosity : )
[02:29] <bingwuwang_> anyone who can speak chinese
[02:30] <bingwuwang_> ?
[02:30] <stdin> !cn
[02:30] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[02:30]  * stdin waits...
[02:30] <ardchoille> stdin: lol
[02:31] <bingwuwang_> thank you
[02:32] <legnaleurc> "!cn"....?
[02:32] <stdin> makes ubotu speak
[02:32] <stdin> !bot
[02:32] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:32] <legnaleurc> got it
[02:33] <draik> !botsnack
[02:33] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[02:33] <draik> Good ubotu
[02:37] <INIT_6> When booting it says grub 1.5 loading please wait then freezes. Can't hit esc fast enough to get to the menu. any ideas why it's doing that?
[02:37] <bingwuwang> 中文
[02:38] <legnaleurc> ....
[02:38] <legnaleurc> INIT_6 : error code?
[02:39] <INIT_6> no error code, I wish there was to get me started
[02:39] <BluesKaj> !cn | bingwuwang
[02:39] <ubotu> bingwuwang: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[02:40] <ardchoille> INIT_6: you can change the menu timeout in /boot/grub/menu.lst (the "timeout" line)
[02:40] <INIT_6> drive is /dev/sde  root is on /dev/sde2   menu.lst root (hd0,1) device map hd0 = /dev/sde
[02:40] <INIT_6> I don't think it's loading the menu.
[02:40] <INIT_6> I think it's freezing before it hits the menu. I reinstalled the grub just in case no go.
[02:41] <stdin> if it wasn't loading the menu then it would drop you to the grub command line
[02:42] <INIT_6> You know how it normal says loading grub 1.5 right before the menu. it freezes there
[02:42] <bingwuwang> .cn
[02:42] <Rukus> anyone know anything about 3d acceleration on xpress 200m
[02:42] <bingwuwang> 中文
[02:43] <BluesKaj> !cn | bingwuwang
[02:43] <ubotu> bingwuwang: For Ubuntu help in Chinese 您可以访问中文频道： #ubuntu-cn 或者 #ubuntu-tw  或者 #ubuntu-hk
[02:44] <jtt> kdm ignoring  xorg.conf  modes  is that possible?
[02:44] <jtt> no kubuntu upgrades for X or kdm  no info on the web any ideas
[02:45] <MyNameIsURL> hallo all
[02:45] <BluesKaj> !hi MyNameIsURL
[02:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hi mynameisurl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:45] <MyNameIsURL> I just installed Gutsy and am having a bit of trouble installing softwares
[02:45] <BluesKaj> hehe
[02:45] <renkastle> hello!
[02:46] <MyNameIsURL> ubotu quote being a smartass
[02:46] <MyNameIsURL> nice
[02:46] <MyNameIsURL> cool bot
[02:46] <legnaleurc> jtt : cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[02:46] <BluesKaj> my fault
[02:46]  * lavacano201014 disconnects [/ame]
[02:46] <jtt> legnaleurc, ok will look
[02:46] <MyNameIsURL> I want to install alien but I'm getting some weird errors
[02:47] <BluesKaj> !hi | renkastle
[02:47] <ubotu> renkastle: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[02:47] <renkastle> Thanks :D
[02:47] <MyNameIsURL> I keep getting inexplicable "(28 No space left on device)"errors
[02:47] <renkastle> Im using the live CD :P
[02:47] <INIT_6> if i just have swap and / do I have to have a boot flag set?
[02:48] <renkastle> but i cant mount my ntfs partition!! :(
[02:48] <stdin> grub doesn't care about boot flags
[02:48] <BluesKaj> MyNameIsURL, why are trying to run RPMs , most non repos apps are available as debs or tar files ?
[02:48] <INIT_6> thanks
[02:48] <MyNameIsURL> I'm trying to install  the damn Flash plugin
[02:49] <MyNameIsURL> it's available as a .tar.gz
[02:49] <renkastle> firefox installs the plugin automaticaly..
[02:49] <renkastle> sorry my english sucks :P
[02:49] <MyNameIsURL> it's not working
[02:49] <BluesKaj> it's in the repos AFAIK
[02:49] <MyNameIsURL> one sec
[02:50] <stdin> MyNameIsURL: open adept manager (KMenu->System->Adept Manager) and install the package called "kubuntu-restricted-extras" to get everything, or just "flashplugin-nonfree" for flash
[02:50] <MyNameIsURL> Shit
[02:50] <MyNameIsURL> "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem."
[02:50] <stdin> !language
[02:50] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[02:50] <MyNameIsURL> sorry
[02:50] <MyNameIsURL> ok
[02:51] <MyNameIsURL> I been at this for over an hour now
[02:51] <MyNameIsURL> I've been going round in circles chasing after the same few recurring error messages
[02:51] <legnaleurc> # apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:51] <legnaleurc> ?
[02:52] <stdin> if you get errors post them to pastebin
[02:52] <stdin> !paste
[02:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:52] <MyNameIsURL> $ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[02:52] <MyNameIsURL> Reading package lists... Done
[02:52] <MyNameIsURL> Building dependency tree
[02:52] <MyNameIsURL> Reading state information... Done
[02:52] <MyNameIsURL> E: Couldn't find package flashplugin-nonfree
[02:53] <stdin> I did say to use pastebin...
[02:53] <legnaleurc> # apt-get update
[02:53] <legnaleurc> then try again
[02:54] <MyNameIsURL> OK i been through this before, but here goes...
[02:54] <stdin> I'd say you have no sources enabled, happens when you have no net connection at install
[02:54] <MyNameIsURL> I have like 4 sources
[02:55] <legnaleurc> uncomment sources?
[02:55] <stdin> including multiverse?
[02:55] <MyNameIsURL> but whenever I try to use Adept to add new sources, it crashes
[02:55] <stdin> that happens when you put in a bad line
[02:55] <MyNameIsURL> hold on, lemme check my .soources file
[02:55] <stdin> open the sources.list   kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:55] <stdin> post it to pastebin
[02:56] <MyNameIsURL> it's still updating
[02:56] <ardchoille> Wow, just learned how to put kubuntu alternate cd, kubuntu desktop cd, knoppix and sysresccd on one livedvd
[02:56] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic | MyNameIsURL
[02:56] <ubotu> MyNameIsURL: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[02:57] <MyNameIsURL> I been there
[02:57] <MyNameIsURL> when I generate those source lists, do I just replace the entire sources.list with them?
[02:57] <BluesKaj> yes
[02:58] <ubuntu> hello
[02:58] <MyNameIsURL> I'm getting a bunch of errors on this update
[02:58] <BluesKaj> unless you have some that you want to keep, MyNameIsURL
[02:58] <MyNameIsURL> Bad header lines
[02:58] <MyNameIsURL> 404 errors
[02:59] <BluesKaj> yeaj MyNameIsURL , that's happening with repos , depends on your location
[03:00] <Chufo> r:r
[03:04] <MyNameIsURL> ok now I ought to completely overwrite my sources file with the generated text from source-o-matic?
[03:04] <stdin> yep
[03:04] <BluesKaj> yeah , unless you want to keep some repos like medibuntu
[03:05] <jackolas> There is an error with the group naming of Dolphin
[03:05] <jackolas> In the 'task bar'
[03:06] <jackolas> nd the Grub install name for Kubuntu on the release alt CD was "Ubuntu 7.10"
[03:09]  * blackwaltz yawns
[03:12] <mmorse757> #
[03:12] <mmorse757>     /msg nickserv set email <your-email-address>
[03:12] <mmorse757> #
[03:12] <mmorse757>     /msg nickserv set email <your-email-address>
[03:12] <MyNameIsURL> ok it's not letting me overwrite the sources.list file
[03:13] <stdin> MyNameIsURL: did you open it with kdesu?
[03:13] <MyNameIsURL> yes
[03:13] <MyNameIsURL> and then with sudo
[03:13] <MyNameIsURL> tried both
[03:13] <stdin> don't use sudo with it
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> MyNameIsURL: are you doing it as root?
[03:13] <stdin> what message does it give you
[03:13] <MyNameIsURL> ok now it worked
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:14] <MyNameIsURL> so now what to do to get the Flash plugin going?
[03:14] <MyNameIsURL> I have never had to do this in Linux before
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> !search flash
[03:14] <ubotu> Found: flash 9, gnash, flash64, fffc, flash, flash64bit, flash9, flashplayer, font
[03:14] <MyNameIsURL> this is the first time I;ve installed Linux on a machine which I use for the Web
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> !into flash
[03:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about into flash - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:14] <stdin> you need to open adept, then click "Fetch Updates" then install "flashplugin-nonfree"
[03:15] <BluesKaj> MyNameIsURL,  click on edit /select all/ delete , then copy and paste the source-o-matic generated file into the blank sources.list
[03:15] <MyNameIsURL> mostly I've used my Linux boxes as servers or for IRC or whatever
[03:15] <MyNameIsURL> ok Blues, I've done that
[03:15] <MyNameIsURL> and saved the sources file
[03:15] <BluesKaj> right
[03:16] <MyNameIsURL> so now, to install the softwares...
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> oh my.... the freewin plugin is amazing.
[03:18] <BluesKaj> what's freewin ?
[03:19] <MyNameIsURL> ok Firefox still can't install the plugin
[03:19] <MyNameIsURL> it doesn't install
[03:19] <MyNameIsURL> a link comes up to do it manually...
[03:20] <MyNameIsURL> and that kinks to pages with the .tar.gz and the .rpm files
[03:20] <stdin> restart firefox after the install
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: compiz plugin...
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> MyNameIsURL: also, try viewing a flash page in konqueror,for me, it only works for konqueror.
[03:21] <BluesKaj> well, sacktime for me
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> night BluesKaj
[03:21] <stdin> if it works in konqueror then it will work in firefox, konqueror looks in the same place as firefox
[03:21] <MyNameIsURL> "No plugins were installed."
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> stdin: yeah, I don't know why firefox isn't likeing it.
[03:22] <MyNameIsURL> "Adobe Flash Player Failed"
[03:24] <MyNameIsURL> yeah the Flash movies don't even show up in Konqueror
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> MyNameIsURL: in konqueror you have to enable the plugin
[03:25] <MyNameIsURL> and if I go to YouTube, instead of the movie images, there are just words that link to the download page
[03:27] <cpk1> is there a xine channel?
[03:28] <MyNameIsURL> uh, how do I enable Flash in Konqueror?
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> MyNameIsURL: setttings->configure konqueror->plugins
[03:31] <MyNameIsURL> OK I'm there...
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> err.... go to the plugins tab
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> and expand that tree view
[03:34] <MyNameIsURL> yeah I see that, but Flash is not in there
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> go over to the scan tab and scan for plugins
[03:36] <MyNameIsURL> ok that did nothing
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> hrmph
[03:38] <MyNameIsURL> in Konqueror, the Flash animations don't even show up as Flash animations
[03:38] <MyNameIsURL> they just look like pictures
[03:39] <arch3angel> anyone know where to go to remove an application for startup and add a different one
[03:39] <NickPresta> !startup
[03:39] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> MyNameIsURL: it shows something though?
[03:40] <arch3angel> in my system i dont have preferences
[03:41] <MyNameIsURL> ok it just worked
[03:41] <MyNameIsURL> I just ran the damn shell script again and  it worked
[03:42] <MyNameIsURL> hmmm...
[03:43] <MyNameIsURL> the movies don't want to run properly though
[03:43] <arch3angel> i dont see pref inside system
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> MyNameIsURL: in firefox or konqueror?
[03:45] <NickPresta> arch3angel, what do you want to start at boot time?
[03:46] <arch3angel> remove google desktop
[03:46] <arch3angel> add kwikdisk
[03:46] <MyNameIsURL> Firefox
[03:48] <arch3angel> any suggestions
[03:50] <MyNameIsURL> hmmm.. it only plasys the 1st half-second of a YouTube video, then it stops
[03:50] <MyNameIsURL> and never downloads any more
[03:50] <arch3angel> nick and suggestions
[03:50] <maduser> what flash player do you use?
[03:50] <MyNameIsURL> I just downloaded the plugin
[03:51] <maduser> from adept?
[03:51] <MyNameIsURL> adept?
[03:51] <maduser> yeah thats the probelm
[03:52] <MyNameIsURL> ok...
[03:52] <maduser> the box thing with the cd
[03:52] <maduser> it has lots of plugins and programs
[03:52] <maduser> just type in adobe and click install for flashplayernonfree
[03:53] <MyNameIsURL> oh you mean the package manager
[03:53] <maduser> yeah
[03:54] <MyNameIsURL> well how do I use Adept to indtall Flash? I justb downloaded the tar.gz and then ran the shell script from the command line
[03:55] <maduser> yeah with apted search for adobe
[03:56] <maduser> rright click flashplayernonfree
[03:56] <maduser> and click request install
[03:56] <maduser> then click apply changes
[03:56] <maduser> first though remove the one you install
[04:01] <sledge> Can someone point me to a HowTo for running 3d applications in a 32-bit chroot?
[04:02] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: The package manager simply downloads the tarball for flash and installs the same way you did. The only advantage with the package manager, wrt flash, is it will offer automatic updates to flash.
[04:04] <MyNameIsURL> I don't see it in the list
[04:04] <MyNameIsURL> I typed in "Adobe" and got no results
[04:04] <maduser> flashpalyernonfree
[04:04] <arch3angel> anyone have a lead on this startup application i am having
[04:05] <maduser> are you using add or remove programs?
[04:05] <maduser> i found it
[04:05] <arch3angel> trying to remove google desktop from startup and add kwikdisk
[04:05] <maduser> in the manager
[04:05] <MyNameIsURL> I see it
[04:06] <MyNameIsURL> one sec
[04:07] <MyNameIsURL> DAMN IT!!!
[04:07] <MyNameIsURL> "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[04:07] <arch3angel> this is bugging the crap out of me, i should have preferences
[04:08] <maduser> ah wait
[04:08] <scott__> i've got a ? involving dial up internet...
[04:09] <scott__> i can connect to this chat room dbut cant browse internet through konqueror
[04:09] <wols_> scott__: if you can't how are you here?
[04:09] <scott__> lol, good question....
[04:09] <wols_> also what does "ping google.com" say?
[04:09] <scott__> i can ping it and it responds, no packets lost
[04:10] <wols_> oh, other way around, konq is not working
[04:10] <scott__> yeah
[04:10] <MyNameIsURL> I wanted to install compiz, but now I'm thinking that if the Flash plugin is this much of a bitch I prolly shouldn't even think about that
[04:10] <wols_> then it's a konq issue. wrong proxy or such
[04:10] <wols_> other browsers wort? wget google.com works?
[04:10] <scott__> hmm, lemme try real quick, 1 sec
[04:11] <scott__> it got it
[04:11] <scott__> lol
[04:11] <scott__> just konq is bein a pain...
[04:11] <scott__> An error occurred while loading http://google.com:
[04:11] <scott__> Could not connect to host http://google.com/.
[04:12] <scott__> that's the error konq gives me
[04:12] <arch3angel> can anyone tell me how to disable google search from starting up
[04:12] <goingtomoonbrb> Is there a gui interface for setting up samba shares in kubuntu?
[04:13] <r-vip> hay alguien que hable espaniol
[04:14] <ardchoille> !es | r-vip
[04:14] <ubotu> r-vip: Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda.
[04:16] <Ahmuck> is there a tool that i can sync my laptop to my desktop and viceversa?
[04:19] <arch3angel> any help would be appreciated
[04:21] <scott__> hmm, kopete won't connect either
[04:21] <scott__> this is sucky...
[04:22] <Rukus> anyone here know anything about DRI and xpress 200m?
[04:24] <MyNameIsURL> I often get this error when I install packages: "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages."
[04:24] <kevin> !logout
[04:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about logout - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:24] <Rukus> !dri
[04:24] <ubotu> dri is direct rendering infrastructure, a framework for allowing direct access to graphics hardware under the X Window System in a safe and efficient manner.
[04:24] <posingaspopular> DEAR KUBUNTU. PLEASE TO HAVE PASSWORD FOR CAPS LOCK UNLOCK?
[04:24] <arch3angel> how do i disable startup applications
[04:25] <Rukus> do you speak english?
[04:25] <Rukus> posingaspopular:
[04:25] <posingaspopular> yea i do
[04:25] <posingaspopular> sorry i was in a joking mood
[04:25] <Rukus> oh ok
[04:25] <Rukus> wasnt funny
[04:25] <Rukus> sorry.
[04:25] <Rukus> but hi
[04:26] <MyNameIsURL> this ain't workin
[04:26] <Rukus> what two or three words does "ain't" break down to?
[04:26] <Rukus> :P
[04:26] <kevin> is an admin on right now?
[04:26] <arch3angel> how do i disable startup applications
[04:26] <Rukus> how do i enable DRI
[04:27] <MyNameIsURL> 4 words
[04:27] <MyNameIsURL> ain't not noway nohow
[04:27] <Rukus> lol
[04:27] <MyNameIsURL> if a damn Flash plugin is giving me this much trouble, I dunno if this was such a great idea
[04:28] <MyNameIsURL> maybe I ought to just keep using this OS for my servers
[04:28] <Rukus> does fglrx supoort composite with DRI?
[04:28] <Rukus> ohhh
[04:28] <Rukus> u need help??
[04:28] <wols_> Rukus: no
[04:28] <Rukus> wit hflash?
[04:28] <Rukus> err flash
[04:28] <MyNameIsURL> the stupid Flash plug is not working
[04:28] <kevin> i need an admin to log off madusr
[04:29] <Rukus> what do you run? amd64?
[04:29] <MyNameIsURL> no... it's an INel
[04:29] <MyNameIsURL> Intel
[04:29] <Rukus> hmm
[04:29] <MyNameIsURL> P4 um... 2.8 GHz
[04:29] <Rukus> what broswer?
[04:29] <MyNameIsURL> HT
[04:29] <MyNameIsURL> no browser
[04:29] <MyNameIsURL> I mean
[04:29] <MyNameIsURL> it doesn't work in any browser
[04:29] <Rukus> err um what
[04:29] <Rukus> use firefox
[04:29] <MyNameIsURL> Yeah right?
[04:29] <Rukus> serious
[04:29] <MyNameIsURL> it doesnt work
[04:30] <MyNameIsURL> I prefer FF
[04:30] <Rukus> and try:  sudo apt-get flashplugin-nonfree
[04:30] <Rukus> errr
[04:30] <MyNameIsURL> yeah I know
[04:30] <Rukus> and try:  sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[04:30] <Rukus> should work flawlessly?
[04:30] <MyNameIsURL> one sec, let me try again
[04:30] <MyNameIsURL> I agree
[04:30] <MyNameIsURL> it SHOULD
[04:30] <Rukus> try removing it once, and then reinstall
[04:30] <Rukus> yah i know hey. i ran into some problems myself, reinstalled compiz 3 times
[04:31] <Rukus> then i found out, maybe my graphics card just sucks
[04:31] <MyNameIsURL> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[04:31] <MyNameIsURL> when I do that, I get:
[04:31] <tokstow> HEY ... I'm planning to set a lan chat, many people prefers IRC another says JABBER... what should I choose and Why?
[04:31] <MyNameIsURL> "
[04:31] <Rukus> mIRC
[04:31] <MyNameIsURL> dpkg: unknown option --reconfigure
[04:32] <MyNameIsURL> Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*];
[04:32] <MyNameIsURL> Use `dselect' or `aptitude' for user-friendly package management;
[04:32] <MyNameIsURL> Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values;
[04:32] <MyNameIsURL> Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options;
[04:32] <MyNameIsURL> Type dpkg-deb --help for help about manipulating *.deb files;
[04:32] <MyNameIsURL> Type dpkg --license for copyright license and lack of warranty (GNU GPL) [*].
[04:32] <MyNameIsURL> Options marked [*] produce a lot of output - pipe it through `less' or `more' !
[04:32] <Rukus> hey
[04:32] <tokstow> why rukus?
[04:32] <arch3angel> can someone please advise me on how to disable google desktop from starting and add kwikdisk to the startup
[04:32] <Rukus> try pastebin.ca MyNameIsURL in future
[04:32] <MyNameIsURL> and... why the hell can I install BitchX?
[04:32] <MyNameIsURL> pastebin.ca
[04:32] <MyNameIsURL> ?
[04:33] <Rukus> try getting used to apt-get maybe.... works best for me as an installer for packages
[04:33] <Rukus> yeah, you can use it to paste lots of lines of text and it gives u a link so u dont flood chan
[04:33] <MyNameIsURL> nothing wants to work
[04:33] <MyNameIsURL> ok
[04:33] <MyNameIsURL> apt-get is what I've been using
[04:33] <MyNameIsURL> but all I get is error messages
[04:33] <Rukus> hmm
[04:34] <Rukus> are all your repositories enabled?
[04:34] <Rukus> i'm farily new myself, soooo
[04:34] <Rukus> fairly..
[04:34] <MyNameIsURL> I think so... one sec
[04:35] <MyNameIsURL> what's the path to the sources.list?
[04:35] <MyNameIsURL> etc/...
[04:35] <Rukus> i dont know how to do some things egarding that outside using apt manager
[04:35] <Rukus> err adept manager
[04:35] <wols_>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:36] <arch3angel> how does someone disable an application from starting on login
[04:36] <MyNameIsURL> hell
[04:36] <MyNameIsURL> it's BLANK!
[04:36] <arch3angel> maduser can you pm me please
[04:36] <wols_> MyNameIsURL: what error messages exactly with apt-get? FULL output of it
[04:36] <MyNameIsURL> WTF?
[04:36] <MyNameIsURL> one sec
[04:36] <arch3angel> maduser pm me please
[04:37] <arch3angel> still dealing with the startup crap
[04:38] <MyNameIsURL> "The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem"
[04:38] <MyNameIsURL> there's one of them
[04:38] <MyNameIsURL> I'm running apt-get update now
[04:39] <MyNameIsURL> I suppose there's no point in worrying about getting my video card or wireless card drivers set up
[04:40] <arch3angel> or disabling startup applications
[04:40] <yosef> hello
[04:40] <tokstow> hello
[04:40] <arch3angel> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO STOP APPLICATIONS WHEN YOU LOG IN AND ADD AN APPLICATION YOU WANT TO STARTUP
[04:41] <kyled185> what application
[04:41] <arch3angel> google desktop
[04:41] <arch3angel> stop
[04:41] <arch3angel> kwikdisk add
[04:42] <kyled185> arch3angel, System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> System Services
[04:42] <arch3angel> brb
[04:43] <arch3angel> would it be under single user?
[04:44] <kyled185> arch3angel, Multiuser Mode (5)
[04:44] <Darkrift411> in adept updater, im showing a nvidia-glx update. if I update and have problems like i did isntalling drivers the first time is there a way to set a "restore point" of sorts to revert back easily?
[04:45] <wols_> Darkrift411: no
[04:45] <wols_> you can dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and use vesa to get X back (no 3D there tho)
[04:45] <wols_> and then fix your nvidia-glx problem
[04:46] <Darkrift411> damn
[04:47] <wols_> why do you want to update it?
[04:47] <arch3angel> i cant find the services assoc. with google desktop
[04:47] <Darkrift411> i was hoping for better performance under wine (I play wow with wine)
[04:50] <arch3angel> no service for google desktopp
[04:50] <arch3angel> i never figured it would be so darn hard to start and stop applications
[04:51] <wols_> arch3angel: how did you install google desktop?
[04:52] <arch3angel> i believe apt-get but it has been a long time since the install
[04:52] <arch3angel> i also want to have kwikdisk startup
[04:53] <wols_> ~/.xsession
[04:53] <wols_> if you installed google desktop there is a package for it you can uninstall. is there?
[04:54] <wols_> but considering google-destkop isn't free software, I sorta doubt you did
[04:54] <arch3angel> ~/.xsession you mean under my home folder
[04:55] <arch3angel> i dont have that folder
[04:55] <arch3angel> i meant file
[04:56] <arch3angel> how do i get kwikdisk to startup
[04:56] <wols_> I just told you
[04:57] <arch3angel> i dont have ~/.xsession do i need to create one?
[04:57] <arch3angel> i see a .xsession-errors
[04:59] <arch3angel> i just checked i downloaded the deb file from google and added the application that way
[05:01] <wols_> then uninstall it the same way, or dpkg-reoconfigure it
[05:02] <Rukus> anyone know anything about DRI on the xpress 200m?
[05:02] <arch3angel> what about kwikdisk?
[05:02] <wols_> also helpful is dpkg -L to see the binary names under which it could be running (and started)
[05:02] <wols_> Rukus: install the fglrx
[05:02] <wols_> *driver
[05:02] <wols_> arch3angel: I woN't tell you a 3rd time
[05:03] <Rukus> its installed
[05:03] <Rukus> i have compiz working, etc...
[05:03] <Rukus> but
[05:03] <Rukus> when i type glxinfo i get
[05:03] <arch3angel> dpkg
[05:03] <Rukus> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0".
[05:03] <jalbert> heh
[05:03] <\dEAD> anyone using hellanzb?
[05:04] <wols_> Rukus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:04] <wols_> also: what drivers?
[05:04] <Rukus> fglrx ati
[05:04] <arch3angel> its late - i dont think i am all there now to deal with this - thanks for the help wols_
[05:04] <Rukus> proprietary
[05:04] <wols_> Rukus: what version that compiz is working?
[05:04] <Rukus> gutsy gibbons
[05:04] <Rukus> err
[05:05] <Rukus> what do u want to know?
[05:05] <wols_> your fglrx version
[05:06] <Rukus> OpenGL version string: 2.0.6473 (8.37.6)
[05:06] <Rukus> that?
[05:06] <Rukus> i dont know
[05:06] <Rukus> i used kubunu software channels to install it
[05:08] <wols_> how can compiz work on 8.37 when there is no libcomposite support with that driver?
[05:08] <MyNameIsURL> hell..
[05:08] <MyNameIsURL> I can't open Adept now
[05:08] <Rukus> hmmm
[05:08] <MyNameIsURL> "
[05:08] <MyNameIsURL> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude).
[05:08] <MyNameIsURL> Would you like to attempt to resolve this problem? No will enter read-only mode and Cancel to quit and resolve this issue yourself.
[05:08] <Rukus> well i have fancy desktop graphics
[05:08]  * Rukus OpenGL version string: 2.0.6473 (8.37.6)hugs
[05:09] <Rukus> oops
[05:09]  * Rukus shrugs
[05:09] <MyNameIsURL> maybe I ought to just delete this whole OS and step back down to Dapper
[05:10] <Rukus> i'm even more confused now
[05:10] <Rukus> now apparently i made something work that shouldnt?
[05:10] <wols_> MyNameIsURL: maybe you should close your open copy of any libapt using program?
[05:13] <Rukus> this is the output of glxinfo
[05:13] <Rukus> http://pastebin.ca/783377
[05:14] <neville> Hey, is it at all possible to reset a user back to default settings for everything without having to delete it and make a new one?
[05:15] <neville> Because I've done something to stuff my multiple desktops up (the mouse touches the edge of the screen and switches, Windows don't clip to the edge of the screen, etc)
[05:15] <neville> And it's really
[05:15] <neville> Very, truly, incredibly annoying~
[05:15] <Excelsior> Can anyone assist me with this cursed wireless? For some reason, ever since I installed Gutsy, my wifi card (TEW-421PC B1) refuses to work with Kubuntu, or vice a versa. Now don't get me wrong- my card worked perfectly in Edgy and Feisty, and I have the latest ndiswrapper-commons and utils packages as well as the driver installed. Under  KNetworkManager, it says "No active devices" and I can't even locate wlan0 as an interface.
[05:17] <wols_> Excelsior: what wlan chip does it use?
[05:17] <Excelsior> wols_: Marvell Libertas rev. 03
[05:18] <Excelsior> Which is, also to the extent of my searches, supported
[05:18] <wols_> for ndiswrapper kinds of "support"
[05:23] <Rukus> i'll never get DRI i guess
[05:23] <simion314> hi, i want to monitor an application to find what files cretes and modifies, i want to stop this application to let traces of it existed in my sistem, do you know something that can he
[05:28] <ingo_> Hello there everyone, I am using compiz fusion with KDE and would like to know, if it is possible to start the compiz window manager at the KDM login-screen already
[05:29] <ingo_> so that compiz is enabled for the login-process in KDM and stays active after that
[05:29] <maduser> !alien
[05:29] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[05:34] <wols_> ingo_: why?
[05:35] <Solifugus> clear
[05:35] <Solifugus> Just got a usb webcam and plugged it in--how can i know if it works?
[05:37] <Yorokobi> What's the best way to start KDE4 (gutsy)? The instructions in the Kubuntu announcements specify files that don't exist ...
[05:37] <wols_> !best
[05:37] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[05:37] <wols_> Solifugus: check dmesg
[05:38] <Solifugus> wols_: yep.. it says its registered.........
[05:38] <Solifugus> but what app. can i use to see myself?
[05:39] <maduser> !bestest
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bestest - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <purpleposeidon> !worst
[05:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about worst - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:39] <purpleposeidon> !microsoft
[05:39] <ubotu> For discussion and help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[05:39] <wols_> purpleposeidon: don't abuse the bot
[05:39] <Rukus> lolol
[05:40] <Solifugus> so what program can i use to view/record myself via my new usb webcam?
[05:40] <purpleposeidon> *maybe* sane
[05:40] <maduser> whoever programed that bot knows hos stuff
[05:41] <biovore> the bot reads a file the developers put info in..
[05:42] <maduser> yeah but whater the bot says are the developers ideas
[05:42] <ingo_> wols_: I thought it would be nice, because at the time when compiz window manager starts, the screen is black for some seconds
[05:42] <maduser> thats how it starts
[05:43] <jake_> hi
[05:44] <ingo_> but when it starts with kdm I think one wouldn't notice it
[05:45] <ingo_> its just an idea. nothing very essential
[05:45] <ingo_> I just thought I'd like to have that :)
[05:50] <Kr4t05> Okay... Random thing... The Firefox icon in my Kmenu is supersized... Any ideas?
[05:50] <Kr4t05> I've tried changing the icon, but every time it comes out ginormous.
[05:54] <MyNameIsURL> I'm now downloading the Dapper LiveCD
[05:56] <MyNameIsURL> hello?
[05:58] <jake_> i am getting cannot verify the update tool
[05:59] <maduser> hi
[06:01] <maduser> !ubutu
[06:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubutu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:01] <maduser> !ubotu
[06:01] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:02] <MyNameIsURL> I am sooo disappointed with Gutsy...
[06:02] <MyNameIsURL> I'm gonna install Dapper instead
[06:03] <maduser> so your like downgrading?
[06:03] <MyNameIsURL> that's not the way I see it
[06:03] <maduser> ah
[06:03] <Kr4t05> MyNameIsURL: Why not Feisty of Edgy?
[06:03] <MyNameIsURL> I'm switchuing from a developmental version to a stable version
[06:03] <Kr4t05> Uh...
[06:04] <Kr4t05> Gutsy is stable...
[06:04] <MyNameIsURL> heh
[06:04] <Kr4t05> It's just that Dapper is the LTS version.
[06:04] <maduser> he just cannot use it
[06:04] <MyNameIsURL> I've spent the past 3-4 hours just trying to install FLASH
[06:04] <Kr4t05> Right.....
[06:04] <MyNameIsURL> LTS?
[06:04] <maduser> youtube is not everthing
[06:04] <Kr4t05> !lts
[06:04] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[06:04] <MyNameIsURL> it's not just about YouTube
[06:04] <Kr4t05> Also
[06:04] <Kr4t05> !flash
[06:04] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:05] <maduser> what else is there to see
[06:05] <MyNameIsURL> I can't install the restricted drivers
[06:05] <maduser> there is a tool for that
[06:05] <MyNameIsURL> it doesnt work for me
[06:05] <MyNameIsURL> at least, it didn't
[06:05] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: Which video card do you have?
[06:05] <Kr4t05> Thirdly, what system arcitecture are you running? x86? x64?
[06:05] <MyNameIsURL> x86
[06:06] <Kr4t05> Then, Flash should work fine. I installed it via the kubuntu-restricted-extras package and everything worked.
[06:06] <Kr4t05> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:06] <ubotu> kubuntu-restricted-extras: Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[06:07] <lovre> hi all
[06:07] <ardchoille> hi lovre
[06:07] <lovre> i downloaded a game and it is in .run format. How do i install/run it=
[06:07] <lovre> ?
[06:07] <MyNameIsURL> It's an NVIDIA chipset
[06:07] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: Did yo install nvidia drivers?
[06:08] <MyNameIsURL> I was unable to
[06:08] <Kr4t05> My
[06:08] <ardchoille> Why? Errors?
[06:08] <MyNameIsURL> Adept was giving me a ton of trouble
[06:08] <MyNameIsURL> yes errors
[06:08] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: If you give me the model of your nvidia card, I can attempt to help you install the dirvers
[06:09] <dudeicles> how do I install opengl?
[06:09] <MyNameIsURL> my vid card is a NVIDIA Geforce FX Go5600
[06:09] <Kr4t05> dudeicles: OpenGL is installed by default. I can assume you mean 3D accelerated drivers?
[06:09] <MyNameIsURL> well right now I'm fixing to install Dapper
[06:09] <MyNameIsURL> yea
[06:10] <dudeicles> well for some reason my computer thinks I don't have opengl installed
[06:10] <Kr4t05> MyNameIsURL: If anything, you'll have more trouble on Dapper, as it's an older version with less new features, but that might work for you.
[06:10] <Kr4t05> dudeicles: Do you have a 3D enabled graphics driver installed?
[06:10] <dudeicles> well I did
[06:10] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: I can help you install nvidia drivers if you want
[06:11] <dudeicles> Kr4t05: check this out http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45088/
[06:11] <MyNameIsURL> well let me get Dapper installed
[06:12] <dudeicles> that's what I believe shows me if opengl is installed.
[06:12] <MyNameIsURL> 2 minutes then I'll burn the CD then I'll be offline for awhile while I reinstall
[06:13] <MyNameIsURL> this kinda sucks
[06:13] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: Would yo mind pastebin your sources.list?
[06:13] <ardchoille> !pastebin
[06:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:13] <MyNameIsURL> I'm  not running Linux right now
[06:13] <ardchoille> ok
[06:14] <MyNameIsURL> I booted into Windows to burn the CD because my CD burner wasn't working
[06:14] <dudeicles> any ideas Kr4t05?
[06:15] <MyNameIsURL> before I reinstall Linux though, I'll boot into it real quick and pastebin my sources.list
[06:15] <Kr4t05> dudeicles: Hrm, not sure, I'm about to go to bed... Maybe someone else can help you?
[06:15] <dudeicles> ok
[06:15] <MyNameIsURL> can somebody give me a little assistance for awhile?
[06:16] <MyNameIsURL> I can stay up for maybe another hour or so
[06:16] <ardchoille> I can try
[06:16] <MyNameIsURL> I'll reboot now, the LiveCD has finished downloading
[06:16] <MyNameIsURL> this'll be the last chance before I just wipe the whole installation and start fresh
[06:17] <MyNameIsURL> brb
[06:24] <sn00zer> how can i uninstall a program installed from a tarball?
[06:25] <ardchoille> sn00zer: You'll have to unpack it, cd into the folder, run ./configure, make and then sudo make uninstall. That's assuming the developer included an uninstall script.
[06:26] <sn00zer> ardchoille: i'm guessing this -> make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
[06:26] <sn00zer>     means there's no uninstall script?
[06:26] <ardchoille> sn00zer: That's an accurate guess
[06:26] <sn00zer> crap... so now what? just delete the directory?
[06:27] <ardchoille> sn00zer: Or you could look at the make file and see where the files get copied to and rm them.
[06:27] <sn00zer> ok
[06:27] <ardchoille> sn00zer: What was the app?
[06:27] <newguyss> hi, how do I add a folder to the /usr/local/ its telling me access denied?
[06:27] <sn00zer> virtualbox but i got it from the website not the repos
[06:28] <ardchoille> newguyss: Why do you want to add a folder there? What are you doing?
[06:28] <ardchoille> sn00zer: That would be a lesson to use the repos instead of compiling
[06:28] <newguyss> I need to add geoserver and it needs to be there
[06:28] <newguyss> ardchoille: any problem in doing so?
[06:29] <sn00zer>  ardchoille: lesson learned
[06:29] <wols_> newguyss: you need to be root
[06:29] <ardchoille> newguyss: Rarely does the user need to add a folder in the system, that's usually taken care of by the package manager. What is telling you to add that folder?
[06:30] <newguyss> wols_: I know:) iam admin, but how to browse as root?
[06:30] <wols_> man sudo
[06:30] <newguyss> ardchoille: the instructions for installing geoserver says that: geoserver-*-bin.zip  After downloading the binary distribution, uncompress _geoserver-*-bin.zip* file to /usr/local (Recommended).  The file will expand the files into /usr/local/geoserver.
[06:31] <wols_> newguyss: you don't need to make a directory then
[06:32] <ardchoille> newguyss: Sounds like you can just untar the tarball using sudo
[06:32] <MyNameIsURL> I cannot believe this
[06:32] <newguyss> wols_: I have unzipped the file to my desktop and now I have a folder named geoserver, and I need to get it in /usr/local/
[06:32] <wols_> newguyss: then move the folder
[06:33] <newguyss> ardchoille: what is the command to untar it there? I have the zip file on my 3desktop
[06:33] <MyNameIsURL> when I logged on, I got a series of dialogs telling me that "Konqueror requires root access"
[06:33] <wols_> MyNameIsURL: can you please stop whining already?
[06:33] <MyNameIsURL> sorry
[06:33] <MyNameIsURL> I just have no idea where this is coming from
[06:33] <ardchoille> newguyss: Is it .zip or .tar.gz or what?
[06:34] <newguyss> ardchoille:  file name is geoserver-1.6.0-RC1-bin.zip
[06:35] <ardchoille> newguyss: if you already have it unzipped, the you should be able to just go into the folder that holds the geoserver folder and do: sudo cp -r geoserver /usr/local
[06:35] <newguyss> you know something ubuntu is the best system ever except for two things, 1- have to remember a million command, 2- kubuntu crashes alot
[06:37] <ardchoille> newguyss: 1 - Linux is more powerful and thus requires more knowledge, 2 - Try not to generalise. What is crashing? kde? konversation? konqueror?
[06:37] <newguyss> ardchoille: sorry KDE
[06:38] <ardchoille> newguyss: So kde crashes.. requiring you to log out or reboot?
[06:38] <sn00zer> newguyss: X is probably your problem, i've had it crash alot but the actual system has only crashed to the point of reboot once on me
[06:38] <ardchoille> I've never had xorg crash on me, guess I've been lucky
[06:38] <newguyss> ardchoille: by the way, Iam also getting everyone I know to use it,
[06:38] <ardchoille> newguyss: W00T!
[06:39] <newguyss> sn00zer: the biggest problem I ever had was that I can to the computer and when I started it the screen was wiped, I could not see any thing, and finally had to format
[06:41] <newguyss> ardchoille: what is WOOT!
[06:43] <MyNameIsURL> ok so how do you want me to post this sources.list?
[06:44] <Jucato> !paste | MyNameIsURL
[06:44] <ubotu> MyNameIsURL: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:44] <Jucato> newguyss: synonymous to "yay!"
[06:44] <Jucato> (or "that's great!" or "yahoo!" etc)
[06:45] <MyNameIsURL> you mean post the URL like this?
[06:45] <MyNameIsURL> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45091/
[06:45] <newguyss> Jucato: thanks, lets face it, linux is great thing
[06:46] <Jucato> MyNameIsURL: yes
[06:46] <MyNameIsURL> "W00t" is actually an expression from the old days of online 1st-person shooter gaming
[06:47] <MyNameIsURL> it's really an acronym that means "We Owned the Other Team"
[06:47] <Jucato> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Internet_slang#W
[06:47] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: You have mixed sources, not a good thing.
[06:47] <MyNameIsURL> I think it started on the quake 2 servers back in the mid-90s
[06:48] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: Were you having problems with xgl?
[06:48] <MyNameIsURL> I know it's been around a long tiome
[06:48] <MyNameIsURL> anyway, um
[06:48] <ardchoille> Or beryl?
[06:48] <MyNameIsURL> I' having problems installing packages
[06:48] <ardchoille> which packages?
[06:49] <MyNameIsURL> well... the Flash plugin for FF, for one
[06:49] <munk__> can somebody help me make my compiz start at startup? please
[06:49] <maduser> compiz --replace
[06:49] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: I got flash installed with: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[06:50] <MyNameIsURL> now when I log in, I'm getting this dialog that says Konqueror is requiring me to log in as root
[06:50] <munk__> maduser but that only makes it work on this session alone..
[06:50] <MyNameIsURL> yeah that's not working here
[06:50] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: What is the error when you try that?
[06:51] <MyNameIsURL> just now, it said:
[06:51] <MyNameIsURL> $ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[06:51] <MyNameIsURL> Reading package lists... Done
[06:51] <MyNameIsURL> Building dependency tree
[06:51] <MyNameIsURL> Reading state information... Done
[06:51] <MyNameIsURL> flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version.
[06:51] <MyNameIsURL> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:51] <MyNameIsURL> but
[06:51] <munk__> can somebody help me make my compiz start at startup? please
[06:51] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: It's already installed
[06:52] <MyNameIsURL> but it only plays like the 1st half-second of videos
[06:52] <MyNameIsURL> then it doesn't download any more
[06:52] <munk__> can somebody help me make my compiz start at startup? please
[06:52] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: Have you tried to see what happens in konqueror?
[06:53] <MyNameIsURL> doesn't work at all in Konqueror
[06:53] <sub[t]rnl> !autostart | munk__
[06:53] <ubotu> munk__: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[06:53] <Matt-T-Campbell> hey all
[06:54] <MyNameIsURL> any ideas?
[06:55] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: No ideas about the flash problem.
[06:55] <newguyss> hi, just installed the JDK, any idea where is it installed? I need to change a variable in it
[06:55] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: Do you have any files in your home that are owned by root?
[06:55] <MyNameIsURL> ok then I'm going to reinstall the entire OS
[06:55] <MyNameIsURL> in /home/myusername...?
[06:55] <ardchoille> ok
[06:55] <ardchoille> yes
[06:56] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: find ~/.kde -user root
[06:57] <MyNameIsURL> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45095/
[06:59] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: files in your home should be owned by your user, not root. That can cause problems.
[06:59] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: Sometimes running a gui app with sudo can change a file's ownership
[07:01] <newguyss> guys, where can I do that * Set an environment variable JAVA_HOME to the pathname of the directory
[07:01] <newguyss>   into which you installed the JDK release.
[07:02] <MyNameIsURL> should I delete those files?
[07:04] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: No, don't delete them, just change the owner: sudo chown -R jalbert:jalbert ~/.kde/share
[07:08] <MyNameIsURL> the permissions are still set to root
[07:09] <ardchoille> That's weird
[07:09] <MyNameIsURL> ok now they're fixed
[07:10] <MyNameIsURL> now should I uninstall flashplugin-nonfree and reinstall?
[07:12] <MilitantPotat1> Whats a program with a GUI to limit the bandwidth a program uses?
[07:13] <ardchoille> MyNameIsURL: You can try that
[07:14] <MyNameIsURL> "
[07:14] <MyNameIsURL> $ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[07:14] <MyNameIsURL> Reading package lists... Done
[07:14] <MyNameIsURL> Building dependency tree
[07:14] <MyNameIsURL> Reading state information... Done
[07:14] <MyNameIsURL> Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[07:14] <MyNameIsURL> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[07:14] <MyNameIsURL> is only available from another source
[07:14] <MyNameIsURL> E: Package flashplugin-nonfree has no installation candidate
[07:15] <MyNameIsURL> ok this is the same crap I been dealing with for the past 4 hours
[07:15] <MyNameIsURL> I'm going to reformat and reinstall the whole thing
[07:15] <ardchoille> ok
[07:16] <MyNameIsURL> there's no point in going around and round like this
[07:16] <ardchoille> True
[07:16] <MyNameIsURL> tty later
[07:16] <MyNameIsURL> maybe I'll have betterb luck tomorrow
[07:16] <MyNameIsURL> nite all
[07:16] <MyNameIsURL> and thanks for all the help
[07:16] <MyNameIsURL> I really do appreciate it
[07:17] <ardchoille> yw
[07:17] <MyNameIsURL> oh hey, do you think feisty or edgy would be better choices than dapper?
[07:18] <ardchoille> I would say Feisty. I thought Edgy was rushed, but Feisty was pretty good.
[07:18] <MyNameIsURL> better than Dapper?
[07:18] <ardchoille> I thought so
[07:18] <MyNameIsURL> ok thx
[07:18] <ardchoille> The only advantage Dapper has is that it's supported longer
[07:19] <MyNameIsURL> that's a negligible advantage
[07:19] <ardchoille> You could use Feisty until Hardy is released (the nest LTS)
[07:19] <MyNameIsURL> for Linux
[07:19] <ardchoille> *next
[07:19] <MyNameIsURL> ok
[07:20] <MyNameIsURL> I'm outs
[07:20] <MyNameIsURL> night all
[07:20] <ardchoille> Night
[07:20] <MyNameIsURL> and thanks again
[07:20] <ardchoille> :)
[07:24] <MilitantPotat1> hmm
[07:26] <munk__> can somebody help me make my compiz start at startup? please i tried a few guides and i cant get it to work
[07:28] <MilitantPotat1> feisty?
[07:28] <munk__> gutsy
[07:29] <MilitantPotat1> compiz --replace in a session should work...?
[07:29] <munk__> yes but i want it to start at startup
[07:29] <MilitantPotat1> for the login screen?
[07:29] <Dragonath> munk, when you log on to ubuntu, you need to choose a compiz session instead of the kde session
[07:30] <munk__> Dragonath but there is no compiz session to pick..
[07:30] <Dragonath> ah
[07:30] <Dragonath> there was a tutorial somewhere
[07:30] <munk__> MilitantPotat1: no not at loging screen but after...i just dont want to have to put compiz --replace everytime i reboot
[07:31] <maduser> then write a script and cron it to go at every start up
[07:31] <Dragonath> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[07:31] <munk__> maduser lol if i knew how to do that i would..
[07:31] <Dragonath> there's a bit about running compiz on startup there
[07:32] <munk__> Dragonath thank you thats what i was looking for
[07:33] <maduser> iit sould go after you type compiz --replace
[07:33] <maduser> then it should go everytime at boot automaticly
[07:34] <maduser> if it does not you did somthing wrong
[07:34] <MilitantPotat1> Whats a *easy* to use program that limits bandwidth per application?
[07:46] <sn00zer> anyone here use google earth + beryl? it runs super slow with 100% cpu use for me
[07:49] <sn00zer> did anyone respond to my question?
[07:53] <maduser> hi
[07:53] <sn00zer> howdy
[07:54] <maduser> woot
[07:54] <maduser> whatcha up to?
[07:54] <sn00zer> just watching the irc scroll by
[07:55] <sn00zer> you?
[07:55] <maduser> thats all
[07:55] <maduser> its like 3:00 where i am
[07:55] <maduser> pulling an all nighter
[07:55] <sn00zer> its almost 2 here
[07:55] <sn00zer> i'm going to bed sometime soon
[07:56] <maduser> ah
[07:56] <maduser> you have to be doing somthing else
[07:57] <maduser> I am paling to fail a chem quiz
[07:58] <sn00zer> ha, nope, i'm on 2 channels
[07:58] <maduser> are you on the offtopic?
[07:58] <sn00zer> earlier i was installing virtualbox but after i finished i haven't done much but chat alittle
[07:58] <sn00zer> no, kubuntu and ubuntu
[07:59] <maduser> ah
[07:59] <maduser> does youtube have an irc channel?
[07:59] <sn00zer> i don't know
[08:00] <maduser> Random Fortune: The new Linux anthem will be "He's an idiot, but he's ok", as performed by Monthy Python. You'd better start practicing. 	-- Linus Torvalds, announcing another kernel patch
[08:02] <animimotus> hi
[08:02] <maduser> hi
[08:03] <MilitantPotat1> any trickle users here?
[08:03] <animimotus> someone can say me why sed -ie 's,#\(mkdir -p /dev/bus\),\1,' /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh     works but not  sed -ie 's/#\(mkdir -p /dev/bus\)/\1/' /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh    ?
[08:03] <sn00zer> whats trickle?
[08:03] <MilitantPotat1> user level bandwidth limiter
[08:10] <ibert> Just switched to gutsy and havin problem with VT's. Screen is black, just a blinking "_", on all VT's. already tried nv and nvidia driver. is there a workaround?
[08:10] <animimotus> someone?
[08:12] <MilitantPotat1> animimotus: I've no idea what you posted
[08:12] <animimotus> a regular expression to decomment a line
[08:20] <root_> hallo
[08:22] <slayer_> hello
[08:24] <emilsedgh> !hi | slayer_
[08:24] <ubotu> slayer_: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[08:28] <slayer_> thx
[08:32] <maduser> !doh
[08:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doh - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:32] <maduser> !?
[08:32] <maduser> !problem
[08:32] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:34] <maduser> !bored
[08:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bored - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:34] <maduser> !!
[08:35] <simion314> hi, i want to monitor an application to find what files creates and modifies, i want to stop this application to let traces of it existed in my system, do you know something that can be used?
[08:38] <patricio> networkmanager stopped auto-dhcp'ing or finding my network connections(lan and wlan), accesspoints nearby are not listed anymore (kde 3.5.8, knetworkmanager 0.2), but it's not knetworkmanager but network-manager-kde + network-manager, anyway.
[08:38] <patricio> what shall I do? is this a dbus/hal issue?
[08:39] <patricio> I can only go with "manual configuration", and I have to connect wlan/lan via commandline-orders..
[08:49] <Xeross> Hey
[08:50] <patricio> hi
[08:50] <Xeross> grub keeps saying that it cannot mount my kubuntu partition but its pointing to the correct partition.
[09:01] <Xeross> how do i fix that ?
[09:01] <MilitantPotato> !grub
[09:01] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:05] <Xeross> cant find it there
[09:05] <kraut> moin
[09:06] <MilitantPotato> you checked menu.lst?
[09:07] <Xeross> ye
[09:07] <Xeross> points to correct partition
[09:07] <MilitantPotato> mind pastebining it?
[09:08] <Xeross> im on winblows now
[09:11] <MilitantPotato> so it says something like (hd0,0)
[09:11] <MilitantPotato> or something like /dev/sda1
[09:11] <Xeross> it sais (hd1,7)
[09:12] <MilitantPotato> is grub on hd0?
[09:12] <Xeross> no
[09:12] <Xeross> hd1
[09:13] <MilitantPotato> I'm wondering if the bios boot order was changed?
[09:13] <Xeross> i put grub and linux on second hd
[09:13] <Xeross> and windows xp on first
[09:14] <Xeross> and i change boot order if i want to boot linux
[09:15] <Xeross> ok opened my menu.lst
[09:16] <MilitantPotato> well
[09:16] <MilitantPotato> if you
[09:16] <MilitantPotato> ....
[09:16] <Xeross> ok
[09:16] <Xeross> ill only post
[09:16] <Xeross> uncommented
[09:16] <MilitantPotato> Changing the boot order in bios will change the HD* numbers...
[09:16] <Xeross> so
[09:16] <MilitantPotato> I think at least...
[09:16] <Xeross> it will be hd0,7
[09:16] <Xeross> title		Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic
[09:16] <Xeross> root		(hd1,7)
[09:16] <Xeross> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=ca2a1951-b357-439f-8663-f0ef4c323ee3 ro quiet splash
[09:16] <Xeross> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic
[09:16] <Xeross> quiet
[09:16] <Xeross> title		Ubuntu 7.10, kernel 2.6.22-14-generic (recovery mode)
[09:16] <MilitantPotato> I believe so.
[09:17] <Xeross> root		(hd1,7)
[09:17] <MilitantPotato> whoa
[09:17] <MilitantPotato> pastebin
[09:17] <Xeross> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic root=UUID=ca2a1951-b357-439f-8663-f0ef4c323ee3 ro single
[09:17] <Xeross> initrd		/boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic
[09:17] <MilitantPotato> !pastebin
[09:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:17] <Xeross> title		Ubuntu 7.10, memtest86+
[09:17] <Xeross> root		(hd1,7)
[09:17] <Xeross> kernel		/boot/memtest86+.bin
[09:17] <Xeross> quiet
[09:17] <MilitantPotato> close the chat before you get banned :)
[09:17] <Xeross> lol
[09:17] <Xeross> k
[09:17] <Xeross> didnt know
[09:17] <MilitantPotato> ah nvm
[09:17] <MilitantPotato> yea use pastebin next time
[09:17] <Xeross> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45109/
[09:17] <Xeross> captain nemo ftw xd
[09:18] <MilitantPotato> why not just make grub your boot loader?
[09:20] <Xeross> im not so familiar with linux etc yet
[09:20] <MilitantPotato> ah
[09:20] <MilitantPotato> so when you boot to linux, you change the bios to boot from the HD linux is on?
[09:20] <Xeross> ye
[09:20] <MilitantPotato> what happens if you don't do that?
[09:20] <Xeross> it boots windows
[09:21] <MilitantPotato> well, if ya stop doing that you can load windows from the GRUB list
[09:21] <MilitantPotato> does it list Linux and windows in that list?
[09:21] <Xeross> ye
[09:21] <inversekinetix> why dont you just use winGRUB and add one line to windows boot.ini file
[09:21] <MilitantPotato> what happens when you scroll down and select windows?
[09:21] <Xeross> i was thinking about that yes
[09:21] <Xeross> it gives
[09:21] <Xeross> some error
[09:22] <Xeross> about a file that cant be loaded
[09:22] <MilitantPotato> ./boot something?
[09:22] <Xeross> no
[09:22] <inversekinetix> do this   http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p9.html
[09:22] <inversekinetix> ntldr ?
[09:22] <Xeross> ye
[09:23] <MilitantPotato> he could just change the hd1,7's to hd0,7's
[09:23] <Xeross> ye
[09:23] <MilitantPotato> and the windows from hd0,0 to hd1,0 right?
[09:23] <Xeross> ill try that
[09:23] <MilitantPotato> wait
[09:23] <MilitantPotato> let the other people comment, I'm new aswell :)
[09:23] <inversekinetix> i dont know nothing
[09:24] <inversekinetix> just fixed what grub did with wingrub
[09:24] <Xeross> ill
[09:24] <Xeross> try
[09:24] <Xeross> changing hd numbers
[09:24] <Xeross> when kubuntu is done installing on vmware
[09:24] <inversekinetix> youre installing kubuntu on vmware?
[09:24] <Xeross> also
[09:25] <Xeross> its installed on my pc
[09:25] <Xeross> but didnt work yet
[09:25] <MilitantPotato> you'll need to bios boot drive to be the linux one
[09:25] <Xeross> i know
[09:25] <Xeross> else i couldnt get into grub ;)
[09:26] <MilitantPotato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45111/
[09:26] <MilitantPotato> I beleive like that
[09:27] <MilitantPotato> if you break grub, you can always burn a grub repair disk
[09:27] <MilitantPotato> I use the Ultimate Boot CD.
[09:27] <MilitantPotato> They make an Ultimate boot CD for windows too, both are extremely usefull
[09:28] <aceler> Hi
[09:28] <aceler> yesterday I askef jussi01 about fglrx driver in RT kernel
[09:28] <aceler> Here is an error:
[09:28] <aceler> FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol '__rcu_read_lock'
[09:29] <aceler> The driver in linux-restricted-modules-rt is too old, and does not support Radeon HD2600O
[09:29] <MilitantPotato> RT?
[09:29] <aceler> Yes
[09:30] <wols_> aceler: where did you get that rt kernel?
[09:30] <aceler> The default kernel accept the kernel module from Ati
[09:30] <aceler> wols_: yes, of course
[09:30] <wols_> where did you get that rt kernel?
[09:30] <aceler> I'va got rt kernel, rt-header, rt-modules and so on
[09:30] <aceler> Oops. From repository, of course :0
[09:30] <aceler> O:-)
[09:30] <wols_> which one?
[09:31] <aceler> 2.6.22-14
[09:31] <aceler> 2.6.22-14-rt, exactly
[09:31] <wols_> sigh. can you stop that and answer the question actually posed?
[09:31] <wols_> which repository, url? packagename?
[09:32] <aceler> Where did I get the RT kernel? From ubuntu repository
[09:32]  * wols_ gives up
[09:32] <aceler> ru.ubuntu-archive.com, package name linux-image-2.6.22-14-rt
[09:32] <aceler> Sorry.
[09:39] <aceler> ru.archive.ubuntu.com, exactly O:-)
[09:45] <aceler> Well. I found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=591445
[09:45] <aceler> My problem is the same
[09:45] <aceler> as gmaniac said
[09:45] <Xeross> now going to reboot
[09:48] <MilitantPotato> aceler: im reading it
[09:48] <wols_> aceler: fyi, "universe" is not ubuntu
[09:49] <aceler> Eh.... I didn't know
[09:49] <wols_> !universe
[09:49] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:49] <aceler> It's new for me, thanks
[09:50] <wols_> "Universe (community-maintained, i.e. not officially supported software) "
[09:55] <MilitantPotato> The reason that fglrx won't compile with the realtime kernel is because it was compiled with paravirtualization support enabled, which causes problems because flgrx is not GPL.
[09:55] <MilitantPotato> Recompile the kernel without paravirtualization support and it should work.
[09:55] <MilitantPotato> whoops
[09:57] <MilitantPotato> aceler: ^
[09:57] <slayer_> .
[09:57] <aceler> I have to recompile the kernel?
[09:57] <aceler> Well... :)
[09:58] <MilitantPotato> aceler: looks that way, don't bother unless you're experienced with doing it or don't mind a lot of trouble shooting is what I was told
[09:59] <aceler> I am experienced with kernel compiling, no problem, but I thought toi forget it under ubuntu :)
[09:59] <aceler> toi -> to
[10:00] <aceler> Well, thanks a lot!!
[10:02] <wols_> aceler: only if you stay with supported software
[10:02] <aceler> ...and hardware :)
[10:03] <slayer_> hi guys - my english ist not very well, but i try to explain my problem
[10:04] <lup0> what's the compiz channels name?
[10:04] <slayer_> i have d-link dwl-122 usb-wlan
[10:05] <slayer_> lsusb : Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2001:3700 D-Link Corp. [hex] DWL-122 802.11b
[10:05] <slayer_> and i see network interface wlan0
[10:06] <slayer_> iwconfig : no wireless extension
[10:07] <slayer_> how to configure this hardware?
[10:07] <slayer_> i have kubuntu 7.10
[10:10] <aceler> slayer_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-4041.html
[10:14] <Alloosh> Hi, anybody used geoserver before?
[10:15] <wols_> !Polls
[10:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about polls - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:15] <wols_> Alloosh: ask a real question
[10:16] <Alloosh> wols_: I get 404 in the geoserver at port 8080 and when I close the terminal the server goes down
[10:17] <wols_> you need to run the thing in daemon mode or use something like nohup
[10:17] <wols_> tho, since it's called server, it should have a daemon mode
[10:20] <lokpest> so... how do I get Konqueror to start in maximized window?
[10:21] <MilitantPotato> does anyone use trickle or something similar?
[10:21] <progreSSive> hi everybody
[10:21] <progreSSive> i have a sound problem, and would be happy if anyone could help me out
[10:22] <progreSSive> i have updated to ubuntu 7.10
[10:22] <progreSSive> and now the sound has gone
[10:22] <wols_> run alsaconf again perhaps
[10:23] <progreSSive> bash: alsaconf: command not found
[10:23] <progreSSive> how to run it? ))
[10:23] <progreSSive> i have alsactl and alsamixer
[10:23] <progreSSive> matching the alsa keyword
[10:24] <Xeross> it works :D
[10:25] <progreSSive> i've tried to run "asoundconf list", but it does not list anything
[10:25] <wols_> progreSSive: is alsa-utils installed?
[10:25] <progreSSive> "lsmod | grep snd" does not list anything either
[10:26] <progreSSive> wols_: i guess so
[10:26] <wols_> don#t guess. check
[10:26] <progreSSive> wols_: i have /etc/init.d/alsa-utils
[10:26] <progreSSive> wols_: or any other ways to check it?:)
[10:27] <wols_> progreSSive: man dpkg
[10:27] <progreSSive> "lspci" lists the sound card: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[10:27] <wols_> and I didn't ask for a script.I asked for alsa-utils the package
[10:29] <progreSSive> wols_: could you please tell me where i can get the alsa-utils package?
[10:29] <knulfine> hi there. Can someone give me the link for a german channel?
[10:29] <wols_> same place where you get all your others packages
[10:29] <wols_> !de
[10:29] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:29] <knulfine> thanks wols_
[10:30] <progreSSive> wols_: alsa-utils is already the newest version. :)
[10:30] <wols_> progreSSive: then you have alsaconf
[10:31] <progreSSive> wols_: as far as i get, alsaconf is just a script, right? and i run it by typing "alsaconf"?
[10:32] <wols_> pretty much yes
[10:32] <wols_> you change config. you need to be root for that
[10:34] <progreSSive> wols_: maybe you mean "asoundconf"
[10:34] <progreSSive> cause honestly, i dont have alsaconf
[10:36] <wols_> progreSSive: sorry then
[10:36] <Xeross> brb
[10:40] <vbgunz> how can I get more info on valid iocharsets for use with fuseiso?
[10:47] <vbgunz> man... fuseiso is busted... I checked the man page on it. does not do at all what it claims :(
[10:50] <vbgunz> heh, thats uninstalled
[10:57] <xeross> how can i edit sources,list
[10:58] <Lynoure> xeross: ksudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:59] <WaltzingAlong> kdesudo*
[10:59] <Lynoure> xeross: or   sudo editorofyourchoice /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:59] <xeross> ok
[10:59] <WaltzingAlong> xeross: you can also place entries in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[10:59] <xeross> i just need to uncomment stuff
[10:59] <Lynoure> WaltzingAlong: indeed... too much cli, clearly. :)
[10:59] <xeross> had no internet during install
[10:59] <xeross> so he commmented sources
[11:00] <xst> In Gwenview I click External Tools > The Gimp but get the error message: "Could not find the program 'The'". What is wrong?
[11:00] <WaltzingAlong> xeross: you could also change the settings through adept manager; in the manage repositories
[11:00] <WaltzingAlong> xst: is gimp installed?
[11:00] <xst> I have reported the bug in launchpad but nobody has responded. :-(
[11:01] <xst> WaltzingAlong: Yes. But notice the error message. It thinks the program is called "The"...
[11:01] <xeross> good
[11:01] <xeross> updates work again
[11:01] <xeross> :D
[11:01] <WaltzingAlong> xst: sure. in gwenview change the external tool for the gimp from gimp-2.3 to gimp
[11:02] <WaltzingAlong> xst: right mouse click the pic, external tools, configure external tools then find gimp, change it like i mentioned
[11:03] <WaltzingAlong> xst: you could also use gimp-remote instead so new pictures will get opened in existing running instances of gimp
[11:04] <xeross> xserver is kde right
[11:05] <WaltzingAlong> xst: the error message shows you the presentation name it has been given, not the command it is trying to execute (which is gimp-2.3 -n )
[11:06] <xst> WaltzingAlong: The problem seems only to occur when I specify gimp-remote as executable. "gimp-remote" can be launched from commandline just fine, however. Very strange. If I specify "gimp" as executable, it works fine
[11:06] <xst> WaltzingAlong: No it is not gimp-2.3, but gimp-remote
[11:07] <xst> Aha
[11:07] <xst> And the problem sees to be that gimp-remote doesn't understand the -n option
[11:07] <WaltzingAlong> xst: gimp-remote but no other parameters other tahn
[11:07] <WaltzingAlong> yes
[11:08] <WaltzingAlong> than* the file to open  (gimp -n but gimp-remote without the -n)
[11:09] <WaltzingAlong> xst: -n specifies that gimp should start a new instance. gimp-remote is a way to use the running instance so -n makes no sense with gimp-remote. the program should respond "Make up your mind!" :D
[11:15] <xst> In dolphin, I rightclick on an image and select Open With > Gimp Image Editor, but get the message: Service '/home/xst/.local/share/applications/gimp-2.2.desktop' is malformatted.
[11:16] <xst> What to do?
[11:17] <xst> Where do I modify the paths to the list of "Open With"-applications?
[11:17] <WaltzingAlong> xst: with gutsy you have gimp 2.4, not 2.2. open with, other, find the gimp you wish to open
[11:17] <WaltzingAlong> xst: otherwise in kcontrol / file associations
[11:19] <xst> WaltzingAlong: I just did a distro upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy so isn't this a bug in the upgrade?
[11:19] <xst> What does Joe Average do about this problem in general? Is he forced to use kcontrol too?
[11:20] <WaltzingAlong> xst: perhaps the shortcuts should point to gimp rather than specific versions; otherwise these settings are stored under your personal settings
[11:20] <WaltzingAlong> xst: you are the first i have seen here to bring it up but i suppose modifying the file associations is the way to go
[11:22] <WaltzingAlong> xst: so previous versions should have pointed to 'gimp' rather than 'gimp-2.2'; i would not want the dist upgrade tool modifying my personal settings to fix issues with remaining references gimp-2.2 when gimp-2.4 is installed instead
[11:24] <xst> WaltzingAlog: Inspecting the file associations more closely I can see that there are two gimp entries. One that just refers to "gimp" and one that refers to "gimp-2.2"
[11:29] <WaltzingAlong> xst: gimp 2.4 is installed with gutsy. /usr/bin/gimp is merely a link to the installed gimp at /usr/bin/gimp-2.4     gimp-2.2 probably does not exist anymore on your gutsy
[11:32] <z1pp3r> Anyone actually managed to get all buttons on a logitech MX518 mouse working? I've found several guides, but none of them worked for me.
[11:32] <xeross> How can i stop kde ?
[11:32] <WaltzingAlong> xeross: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop ?
[11:32] <WaltzingAlong> !mousebuttons
[11:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mousebuttons - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:32] <WaltzingAlong> !mouse
[11:32] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[11:32] <z1pp3r> xeross, 'sudo /etc/init.d/ktm stop ' - log out - ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:33] <WaltzingAlong> !mouse | z1pp3r
[11:33] <ubotu> z1pp3r: please see above
[11:33] <z1pp3r> WaltzingAlong, i'm sure i've read that guide before, but i'll give it another go and let you know when/where it fails =)
[11:33] <z1pp3r> thx
[11:34] <WaltzingAlong> z1pp3r: ok. i have just the 3 button mouse here though knew a guide existed
[11:35] <z1pp3r> 10 buttons on mine in total, when counting the wheel as 3
[11:35] <z1pp3r> and i want to use all of them, even those that are meant to increase/decrease the DPI of the mouse
[11:35] <WaltzingAlong> z1pp3r: :D good luck
[11:36] <z1pp3r> =/
[11:45] <aravind_> Hi!
[11:45] <aravind_> I set up my bluetooth headset after referring http://wiki.bluez.org/wiki/HOWTO/AudioDevices
[11:45] <aravind_> It works fine, except that when the track changes on amarok, the alsa device set to 'bluetooth' reverts back to 'default' and the track plays on my laptop speakers. I'm using kubuntu 7.10. I'm not sure what other details are required...
[11:45] <aravind_> 1. Is there any way to set the 'stereo' field under the alsa plugin in amarok engine configuration settings to bluetooth permanently?
[11:45] <aravind_> 2. Better still, can I set this for one session when I open amarok from terminal using some command line arguments?
[11:45] <aravind_> 3. Can I set up some script to do this automatically by having some alias for amarok - amarok_bluetooth?
[11:45] <aravind_> Thanks!
[11:46] <WaltzingAlong> aravind_: you could also check in #kde
[12:01] <vbgunz> how can I get the kdesu dialog to popup? I mean, it doesn't popup anymore. thats convenient but I am trying to test something. can I log out of kdesu?
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> vbgunz: what happens when you execute kdesu <command>
[12:01] <vbgunz> got it
[12:01] <vbgunz> kdesu -s
[12:02] <vbgunz> ActionParsnip: it appears kdesu now remembers you the way sudo does. for a limited time, you're able to repeat your kdesu commands but without the prompt
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> vbgunz: yeah man its pretty cool
[12:03] <vbgunz> heh, but trying to test something :)
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> vbgunz: same with sudo, as long as you type comands you dont need to repassword
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> vbgunz: then use su <some user account> (may work not sure)
[12:04] <vbgunz> yeah, this is new behavior for kdesu in Gutsy
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> vbgunz: sudo had it in feisty
[12:05] <vbgunz> sudo yes, kdesu no
[12:05] <vbgunz> :)
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> vbgunz: oic
[12:05] <ActionParsnip> vbgunz: good to know
[12:05] <ardchoille> Is there a graphical kdesudo that gives the user a list of app to choose from (like gksudo)?
[12:06] <ardchoille> Well, rather than a list, the gui utility allowed the user to type in an app, similar to the Run dialog
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: kdesudo
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: try that
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: kdesudo is a grafical frontend to the sudo command
[12:07] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: it gives errors when you don't imclude a command
[12:07] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: not that i know
[12:07] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: that doesn't work like gksudo
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> ardchoille: its just something i quickly googled
[12:08] <vbgunz> hmm, using kdesu how do you hide the command that you're actually executing?
[12:08] <vbgunz> it's quite a long command, very long, using -d does not hide it
[12:09] <ardchoille> vbgunz: kdesu -d  ?
[12:09] <ardchoille> oh
[12:09] <ardchoille> Was reading from the man page
[12:09] <vbgunz> ardchoille: yeah, either kdesu -d -c OR kdesu -dc doesn't actually hide the command
[12:09] <ardchoille> kdesu/kdesudo are confusing
[12:09] <vbgunz> they seem to be identical
[12:10] <vbgunz> I am sure they're different but am used to kdesu
[12:10] <ardchoille> In Gutsy, kdesu is a symlink to kdesudo
[12:10] <WaltzingAlong> on gutsy /usr/bin/kdesu points to kdesudo
[12:12] <vbgunz> is hiding a long command in kdesu possible? I thought -d would do it but it doesn't or I have it wrong :(
[12:13] <WaltzingAlong> vbgunz: i think kdesu could do it but from what i know kdesudo cannot
[12:14] <vbgunz> :O
[12:14] <WaltzingAlong> *not claiming to know everything* however, vbgunz :D
[12:15] <vbgunz> I believe you're right. if kdesu really does symlink to kdesudo, man kdesudo does not show any support for the -d option :(
[12:15] <philipp_> hi
[12:15] <ardchoille> vbgunz: I think the man page may be outdated or wrong
[12:15] <philipp_> i need help with my intel X3100 graphics card
[12:15] <philipp_> video-out seems not to work...
[12:16] <philipp_> is there something i have to activate to get it to run
[12:18] <ardchoille> vbgunz: However, /usr/bin/kdesu.distrib does hide the command
[12:18] <ardchoille> vbgunz: /usr/bin/kdesu.distrib long_command_here
[12:18] <vbgunz> hmm
[12:19] <vbgunz> ardchoille: you are my new applepie
[12:19] <vbgunz> nice find!
[12:19] <vbgunz> thank you!
[12:19] <ardchoille> yw
[12:20] <ardchoille> vbgunz: Found that with "locate desu | more"
[12:20] <vbgunz> heh, actually it doesn't hide the long command at all
[12:20] <vbgunz> you are no longer my new applepie
[12:20] <vbgunz> I take that back
[12:21] <vbgunz> :)
[12:21] <WaltzingAlong> easy come easy go
[12:21] <vbgunz> heh
[12:22] <ardchoille> vbgunz: Hides it here
[12:22] <vbgunz> ahh, I see what it is... kdesudo actually shows it twice
[12:22] <r0y4l> anyone here with a sli ready and working xorg.conf?
[12:22] <vbgunz> I don't mind the kdesu.distrib version at all. it is better.
[12:23] <vbgunz> again, you are my applepie
[12:23] <ardchoille> hehe
[12:23] <vbgunz> haha
[12:25] <vbgunz> ardchoille: you are not only my new applepie but you are now officially coolwhipped with a cherry on top
[12:25] <vbgunz> that does hide the command completely... I just left off the -d option, sorry
[12:26] <ardchoille> :)
[12:38] <WaltzingAlong> pos: congrats. welcome to the #kubuntu community
[12:43] <Downix> Morning
[12:45] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: morning to you
[12:47] <Downix> how are you today?
[12:48] <jussi01> !nvu > jussi01
[12:49] <vt01> ???
[12:49] <WaltzingAlong> all is well Downix
[12:49] <vt04> hola eve
[12:49] <vt01> hola Osiris!
[12:53] <vt04> hoal
[12:57] <Downix> good to hear
[13:09] <mapkoz> hi
[13:09] <mapkoz> anybody here is expert with database creation?
[13:09] <shinobi> hey. anyone know why my xubuntu box will not mount fat32 partitions on a external usb drive? mounts the ext3 on the same drive fine, and all four partitions on the drive show up fine on the desktop, but refuses to mount with 'wrong file system' error
[13:09] <mapkoz> I have to create a database for work
[13:10] <shinobi> i know this is not xubuntu channel, but i run kubuntu normally and this xubntu box is a bit of an experimental jukebox on old hardware
[13:17] <sn00zer> shinobi: does $sudo mount -t fat32 /dev/<device> /media/<folder> work for you
[13:19] <shinobi> yes
[13:19] <shinobi> sn00zer i can mount manually no worries
[13:20] <shinobi> sn00zer just seems the automount is screwy, and i wanted to avoid tailing my dmesg and stuff if it was a known issue
[13:20] <shinobi> in fact, it auto detects the vfat in the mount command
[13:20] <sn00zer> shinobi: i'd check your fstab first
[13:20] <shinobi> sn00zer it's an external removeable so has no fstab entry
[13:21] <sn00zer> oh ok
[13:21] <sn00zer> shinobi: flash or hdd?
[13:21] <shinobi> hdd
[13:22] <shinobi> sn00zer it's a 500gb external in four partitions
[13:22] <shinobi> sn00zer the ext3 partiton is detected fine
[13:22] <sn00zer> hmm
[13:23] <shinobi> sn00zer sorry i should say it's mounted okay
[13:23] <shinobi> sn00zer as in automounted and so on
[13:23] <sn00zer> shinobi: i don't know what to tell you, i have my 500gb external in my fstab, its in 2 partitions one raw and one ntfs
[13:24] <shinobi> could you paste bin your fstab so i could try adding my external drives to mine too, i guess that would help also to make the mount point static
[13:26] <sn00zer> shinobi: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45117/ its on line 16
[13:27] <Downix> you know, listening to fedora folk talking about yum vs apt... I think they don't fully grasp the arguement
[13:27] <ardchoille> Indeed
[13:28] <Downix> same when I hang out in solaris chatrooms
[13:28] <Downix> save they seem to have a chip on their shoulder
[13:28] <shinobi> sn00zer thankyou
[13:28] <sn00zer> no problem
[13:28] <sn00zer> shinobi: did that fix it for you?
[13:32] <shinobi> sn00zer i'm going to plug in something like that into my fstab on that xubuntu box and see how i go, i always thought the fstab line was gonna be more complicated than that, i'll adjust for vfat of course...
[13:41] <sailor> hey guys, using feisty and whenever i click "fetch updates" in adept-manager, it grabs a list and then crash's
[13:42] <sailor> i cant get to the next part of doing the dist upgrade :(
[13:42] <sailor> any ideas?
[13:47] <NetersLandreau> has anyone experienced a problem with fish protocol in gutsy.. doesn't seem to want to connect to a remote host
[13:47] <sailor> its driving me nuts, as id love to update to gutsy and be done with it :)
[13:47] <sailor> adept-manager just dies after i click fetch updates - every time without fail
[13:48] <NetersLandreau> sailor, i kinda wish my update had failed..
[13:48] <_sahin_w_> NetersLandreau: Fish works for me, however I did a fresh install (as I always do).
[13:48] <pag> sailor, imho just use apt  -even if you get adept to work, it will still probably freeze at some point.. apt just works :)
[13:48] <NetersLandreau> how do you mean _sahin_w_?
[13:49] <sailor> NetersLandreau: ive done a sucsessful update to gutsy on another machine
[13:49] <sailor> pag: a whole dist upgrade?
[13:49] <_sahin_w_> I mean I have no problem with fish. My installation a fresh install and not an upgraded one from feisty.
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> sailor: just use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:49] <pag> sailor, yup? why not? Adpet is just a graphical frontend after all.
[13:49] <sn00zer> sailor: in #ubuntu they are talking about how gutsy is killing CRT monitors
[13:50] <tuxwulf> Can I automount my USB drives?
[13:50] <sn00zer> just something to think about before going through with it
[13:50] <Lynoure> tuxwulf: usually automount happens, automatically...
[13:50] <sailor> pag: ok, im not familar with doing a dist upgrade from shell. are there some instructions somewhere?
[13:50] <pag> sailor, change every feisty to gutsy in sources.list and do " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[13:50] <sailor> pag: righto
[13:50] <tuxwulf> Lynoure: Yeah my flashdrives, it does, but not USB IDE drives
[13:50] <sailor> pag: ill take out 3'rd party repos first
[13:51] <pag> sailor, *if* upgrade goes well, you should have a working system in an hour (depending on your internet connection though)
[13:51] <ardchoille> pag , sailor That's not the recommended update method, you'll miss apps that way
[13:51] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Are these drives always connected to your machine?
[13:51] <pag> ardchoille, oh... really? :O
[13:51] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: No...
[13:51] <sailor> ardchoille: id use adept-manager but it keeps dieing on me :/
[13:52] <ardchoille> pag: That will upgrade what you already have, not install apps that were new to Gutsy but weren't in Feisty. And, some folks report that method of upgrade breaks things.
[13:52] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Hmmm. When I plug my usb drive into my system, Kubuntu simply offer to me a mount option trough a dialog.
[13:53] <pag> ardchoille, oh. didn't know that. sorry.
[13:53] <ardchoille> sailor: Your best bet is to find out why adept is dying before you upgrade
[13:53] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: ... Which version ...?
[13:53] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: I know this is "half" automatic. ;-)
[13:53] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Kubuntu Gutsy (7.10)
[13:53] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: Half auto would be great already...!
[13:53]  * genii sips a coffee
[13:53] <sailor> ardchoille: yeah ive been looking for the past hour, keep finding bug reports on it, but not much else
[13:53] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: ... ah... I am still on Feisty...
[13:54] <tuxwulf> Did someone say coffee...?
[13:54] <sailor> ive removed my sources list file and re-created it etc: still it dies every time i click "fetch updates"
[13:54]  * genii hands tuxwulf a coffee as well
[13:54] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: I have to say I didn't encountered any USB driver related problem on my system when I use Feisty.
[13:55] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Did you check the syslog? I mean is your system relalize your usb disc?
[13:56] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: One more note: Is your user in the plugdev group?
[13:56]  * tuxwulf thanks genii...!
[13:57] <sailor> has anyone else had problems with adept_manager crashing on clicking "fetch updates" and solved it?
[13:57] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: syslog: Yes, heck. The system knows it gets plugged in
[13:57] <genii> tuxwulf: anytime :)
[13:58] <ardchoille> sailor: Perhaps run it from a terminal and see if there is any error output? kdesudo adept_manager
[13:58] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: And is your user a member of the plugdev group?
[13:59] <z1pp3r> Is it possible to make boot up, and shutting down a little more verbose than just watching the progress bar?
[13:59] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Ubuntu use pmount instead of usbmount to mount an external usb device.
[13:59] <z1pp3r> like, showing which daemons are shutting down/starting
[13:59] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: And some kind of security reason pmount only usable by the plugdeb group members.
[14:00] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: So this is why I'm wondering about that.
[14:00] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: I'll check, a moment....
[14:00] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Ok.
[14:00] <sailor> ardchoille: http://pastebin.com/d6d64860d
[14:01] <sailor> the last line is what comes up after it has gone through its normal list
[14:03] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: Yep, he is member of plugdev
[14:03] <sailor> ardchoille: this is my sources.list file: http://pastebin.com/d69e556d3
[14:05] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: And what did you find in syslog? Did kubuntu assigned a device name to your device?
[14:05] <ardchoille> sailor: Well, the "Failed to open device" errors can be ignored
[14:05] <ardchoille> !baddevice | sailor
[14:05] <ubotu> sailor: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[14:06] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: I'm going to plug my usb disc to the system and I will show you the messages. Maybe you can find some differences.
[14:06] <sailor> ardchoille: yeah thats ok, im not fussed about that, i just want to upgrade :(
[14:06] <ardchoille> sailor: But I don't know why you're having the crash. fwiw, the propsed and backports repos are not "official" and I have had them break apps on my computers.
[14:06] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: Yes. The system assigned sdi. sdi1 for the filesys, it seems, and I can mount it by hand.
[14:07] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Did you add /dev/sdi1 to the /etc/fstab? I hope you didn't.
[14:08] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: I mean pmount won't work in case the device in the fstab.
[14:08] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_:  > No, I did not edit any fstab or mtab or anything.
[14:08] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Good.
[14:09] <sailor> ardchoille: ok thanks, yeah i have tried just about every combination of selection of repo's but no dice
[14:09] <sailor> it just doesnt want to do "fetch updates"
[14:09] <sailor> .. and stay alive
[14:10] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Here's an example of a sucessful mount: http://pastebin.com/d6f119d1f
[14:10] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: Checking ...
[14:10] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Maybe you can find some differences.
[14:11] <sailor> ardchoille: anyways its 1am im dead thanks anyways but ill try here again in a few hours. Perhaps someone else may be awake by then to give me a hand
[14:16] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: ... veeeery interesting... it seems that NetworkManager takes over to automount it ...?
[14:17] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Well, I don't know the exact details. Is your log not contains these networkmanager things?
[14:18] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: Precisely.. up to those NetworkManager msgs, all is the same.  AFter that, nothing...
[14:19] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: Well I can nmount it by hand, that is basically good enough ...
[14:19] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Maybe try to use google and use these words: NetworkManager feisty usb mount
[14:20] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: Maybe you can find something which is related to your problem.
[14:20] <Downix> hmm, how do I change the default office app in Kubuntu?
[14:20] <Downix> the editor wants staroffice as default rather than open office
[14:20] <tuxwulf> _sahin_w_: Yeah, thanks... I am steps ahead....!
[14:20] <Downix> no idea why, but it's fine with me
[14:20] <_sahin_w_> tuxwulf: No problem.
[14:21] <_sahin_w_> Downix: You can chose what kind of application want to use for a specific file type.
[14:22] <_sahin_w_> Downix: Right click on the file > open with other > chose you program and don't forget to mark "Remeber application for this file type"
[14:23] <Downix> let me check
[14:23] <Jucato> (or in Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> File Associations)
[14:23] <_sahin_w_> Jucato: And yes this the other way.
[14:24] <_sahin_w_> Jucato: From the usabilty perspective I't a shame there is no way to set this from Dolphin like in Konqueror.
[14:25] <_sahin_w_> Jucato: I mean Dolphin -> Settings -> ...
[14:25] <Jucato> _sahin_w_: not really sure, but maybe the settings are there in the real Dolphin (KDE 4)
[14:26] <_sahin_w_> Jucato: I hope so! ;-)
[14:27] <_sahin_w_> Jucato: I have only minor experience with KDE4. I use it only for testing the actual shape of the KDE4.
[14:27] <_sahin_w_> Jucato: However I'm waiting for KDE4 as a XMASS gift like a child.
[14:27] <Jucato> :)
[14:27] <Jucato> who isn't?
[14:28] <Jucato> (besides the GNOME people of course :P)
[14:28] <Downix> got it
[14:28] <_sahin_w_> Yes, I'm sure every KDE fanatic/fan/user does.
[14:28] <rjune> they are too
[14:28] <rjune> they want to know what cool features to implement next
[14:28] <Downix> now, his next issue, he wants to connect to a samba folder directly
[14:28] <Jucato> well, the die-hard ones then :)
[14:28] <Downix> guess this means setting up nfs
[14:28] <rjune> nope.
[14:29] <rjune> NFS != samba
[14:29] <rjune> You can use smbmount and smbfs
[14:29] <rjune> or in KDE, you can do smb://server
[14:29] <Downix> that's the problem
[14:29] <Downix> we are smb://server'ing it, but he wants it to show up as a "drive letter"
[14:29] <rjune> Uhmmm...
[14:30] <rjune> do smbmount on login then
[14:30] <_sahin_w_> Drive letter means permanent mount maybe in the linux world.
[14:30] <Downix> he's used windows too long
[14:30] <_sahin_w_> I guess.
[14:30] <Jucato> O.o
[14:30] <Downix> _sahin_w_: that would be my guess
[14:30] <rjune> _sahin_w_: some apps don't accept smb:// URLs, mostly because they're retarded
[14:30] <Downix> right, like Star Office
[14:30]  * Jucato knows a couple of Windows users who use LABELs instead of hard drive letters..
[14:30] <harry_> Hi all, can someone help me get the volume icon back onto the desktop>?
[14:31] <harry_> 7.10 kde ubunto
[14:31] <_sahin_w_> Yes, because these aren't kde application.
[14:32] <Downix> right
[14:32] <harry_> i have sound but its TOO loud.... I cant adjust it without a little help...
[14:32] <Jucato> harry_: run K Menu -> Multimedia -> KMix
[14:32] <Downix> KOffice isn't up to snuff, but this guy found open office "too weak"
[14:32] <sethk> Downix, too weak for what?
[14:33] <Downix> sethk:  no idea.  I find it's more than suitable for me.
[14:33] <harry_> Im in kmix but where is the button to check for the icon on the toolbar?
[14:33] <sethk> Downix, I actually prefer it in many ways to m$ office.
[14:33] <_sahin_w_> Downix: I have a descritption who can you create a permanent smbmount.
[14:34] <sethk> harry_, My memory is vague, but I believe you'll find it in the configuration dialog.
[14:34] <Downix> sethk:  I do as well.  Symphony is quite good as well.
[14:34] <Downix> _sahin_w_: I'm figuring it out.  Just fustrating.  Thankfully, I can ssh into his box and fix it from here
[14:34] <Jucato> harry_: when you run it, it should already be in the system tray part of the KDE panel
[14:34] <sethk> Downix, haven't played with symphony
[14:34] <harry_> I dont see anything about config
[14:34] <_sahin_w_> Downix: Ok.
[14:34] <sballard> ma cose??
[14:34] <sethk> harry_, look for "control center" on the menu
[14:35] <Downix> sethk:  it's Lotus-like
[14:35] <harry_> just "current mixer"
[14:35] <sballard> ma guarda sta gente se si diverte!
[14:35] <Jucato> harry_: in KMix -> Configure KMix -> check the "Dock into panel" and "Enable system tray volume control" options
[14:35] <Jucato> !it | sballard
[14:35] <ubotu> sballard: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[14:36] <harry_> current mixer   then output input andswitches,,,  there iusnt any control center\
[14:36] <Jucato> harry_: Settings -> Configure KMix
 harry_: in KMix -> Configure KMix -> check the "Dock into panel" and "Enable system tray volume control" options
[14:37] <acemo> tomorrow kde4 rc1 is getting released.. still no kubuntu packages for kde4 beta4.. :S
[14:37] <sethk> harry_, you haven't found the control center.  It definitely is there.
[14:37] <harry_> I know your being patient and I thank you for that but what I am saying is there isnt any settings tab
[14:38] <emilsedgh> acemo: RC1 for tommorrow?
[14:38] <Jucato> harry_: it's not a settings tab. the Settings menu!
[14:38] <acemo> emilsedgh: yep
[14:38] <Jucato> harry_: File, Settings , Help.. at the very top. click on Settings -> Configure KMix
[14:38] <emilsedgh> acemo: Tag or Announce?
[14:38] <Jucato>  KDE4 Beta 4 packages delayed because of Personal Package Archive build issues (Bug: #163716)
[14:39] <acemo> emilsedgh: tag was 14 november, tmr is announce
[14:39] <emilsedgh> oh
[14:39] <harry_> when I open kmix all I see is Current mixer on top then output input and switches
[14:39] <Jucato> (it's not like we intentionally didn't want packages to be available)
[14:39] <emilsedgh> acemo: i cannot wait to see the announcement!
[14:39] <Jucato> harry_: there are no menus? File menu, Settings menu, Help menu?
[14:39] <acemo> Jucato: i understand that, hope will go better with rc1.. ima go read that bug =)
[14:40] <harry_> Not in Kmix
[14:40] <Jucato> harry_: press Ctrl+M in KMix
[14:40] <harry_> :)  Now there is
[14:40] <_sahin_w_> acemo: Meanwhile you can play with the KDE4 Live image for example.
[14:40] <WaltzingAlong> build it from svn. not that difficult
[14:41] <harry_> ??  it is checked??
[14:41] <_sahin_w_> WaltzingAlong: Hmmm. What's the way to build from svn?
[14:41] <WaltzingAlong> _sahin_w_: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version
[14:41] <harry_> now it is back!!  THANKS for the help
[14:41] <_sahin_w_> WaltzingAlong: Thanks! I will check it!
[14:41] <acemo> _sahin_w_: i know, but live cds are slow and wont give an impression of how the speed will be
[14:42] <acemo> _sahin_w_: will be trying out the live cds tho :)
[14:42] <_sahin_w_> acemo: Yes, and you simply can't test the compizite features for example.
[14:42] <_sahin_w_> acemo: I mean compozite.
[14:43] <harry_> Is there also a way to SEARCH the system from say the kmenu like,,  dare I say it... Windows?
[14:43] <WaltzingAlong> harry_: kfind ? and yes you can add that to the menu
[14:43] <acemo> _sahin_w_: composite aint that important.. its mostly just some fancy graphics
[14:43] <harry_> thx WaltzingAlong
[14:44] <_sahin_w_> acemo: Yes, you are right. However there are some handy compozite features.
[14:44] <Jucato> acemo: actually compositing does have some technical benefits beyond fancy graphics
[14:44] <_sahin_w_> acemo: Ok, not some much... but there are some.
[14:45] <Jucato> most important of which is the fixing of window drawing artifacts (like the "drag marks" when you move windows around)
[14:45] <WaltzingAlong> harry_: right mouse click on the panel (kmenu) then panel menu/configure panel; here to menus where you can add a few more to the kmenu (like find, bookmarks, and recent docs)
[14:45] <acemo> Jucato: i said mostly, i know that kwin4 will have some benefits beyond fancy graphics, but still mostly its just fancy graphics =)
[14:46] <Jucato> oh, and kwin4 is a kde4 game. :)
[14:46] <genii> Jucato: Yes, i agree that is a small but extremely annoying thing
[14:46] <Jucato> kwin4 != kwin 4... yeah it's strange..
[14:46] <genii> Jucato: (screen artefacts)
[14:46] <harry_> HELPFULL thx
[14:46]  * Jucato gives genii a mug of coffee before replacing artefacts with artifacts
[14:47] <_sahin_w_> I have two whishes for KDE4: a way to esaily distinguish between the active/inactive windows and a kmail which handle perfectly the html based emails.
[14:47] <_sahin_w_> html based email is it a must in my corporation. :-(
[14:48] <Jucato> _sahin_w_: first wish is currently being discussed extensively
[14:48] <genii> Jucato: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artifact_(archaeology) note it's not a typo :)
[14:48] <_sahin_w_> I mean i have to use html formatted emails. I hate it. :-(
[14:48] <Jucato> _sahin_w_: I presume you meant "distinguish" without using compositing
[14:48] <Jucato> genii: my apologies :)
[14:48] <_sahin_w_> Jucato: Exactly!
[14:48] <Jucato> no mt. dew for the whole day.. kinda getting to my brain...
[14:48]  * genii steals the Mountain Dew!
[14:49] <Jucato> er... make that 2 days...
[14:49] <Jucato> _sahin_w_: it's a problem with Oxygen... they're working on it already :)
[14:49] <Jucato> (it's not a kwin 4 issue)
[14:50] <_sahin_w_> The only thing what I don't like in KDE4 this active/inactive thing witout the composite effects.
[14:51] <harry_> how to force a quit of application like the cntl alt del in windows
[14:51] <Jucato> _sahin_w_: you can use a different windeco in the mean time :)
[14:51] <_sahin_w_> So there is hope for some kind of solution about this problem, which is maybe bother someone esle too.
[14:51] <Jucato> harry_: Ctrl+Esc
[14:52] <Jucato> _sahin_w_: it bothers the devs themselves, so don't worry :P
[14:52] <WaltzingAlong> harry_: ctrl+alt+esc then click on the window you wish to kill
[14:52] <reno> Salut!
[14:52] <reno> Il y a quelqu'un?
[14:52] <_sahin_w_> Jucato: But I like the new windeco, this is modern and nice and <insert something positive here>
[14:52] <mmorse757> Bon jour.
[14:52] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: I was told that it has the effect of not really killing the process...
[14:52] <harry_> thx  I should have guessed it would be less work than the Bill Gates revenge.. Just accidentally started email and it seemed like forever to load
[14:52] <Jucato> WaltzingAlong: sometimes...
[14:52] <reno> J'ai un petit souci avec le son, qqn sait m'aider?
[14:53] <Jucato> !fr
[14:53] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[14:53]  * Jucato wonders if there's a !be too...
[14:53] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: may be true. guess it depends on the process to be killed or what it was doing when it froze.
[14:53] <harry_> Thank you all for the help goodday
[14:53] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: otherwise kill -s KILL pid  i suppose
[14:54] <Jucato> (which is provided by Ctrl+Esc, along w/ other signals)
[14:55] <WaltzingAlong> Jucato: killing it through ksysguard?
[14:55] <WaltzingAlong> ah ok
[14:55] <Jucato> ksysguard --showprocesses actually (which is what Ctrl+Esc does)
[14:56] <WaltzingAlong> sure the process table listing in ksysguard
[14:57] <Jucato> yep
[14:57] <Jucato> the --showprocesses launches only the process list
[14:58]  * WaltzingAlong performs WaltzingAlong system updates
[14:58] <WaltzingAlong> ;D
[15:00] <lvjiabin> En ,wo want to  ask  is there any students here?
[15:00] <Lynoure> lvjiabin: try on #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[15:01] <Lynoure> lvjiabin: unless you want recommendation for notekeeping software, or something :)
[15:01] <lvjiabin> Oh!NO
[15:02] <lvjiabin> Thank you
[15:02] <lvjiabin> En ,I am  a new to  kubuntu
[15:04] <Lynoure> lvjiabin: Welcome, this is the Kubuntu support channel
[15:04] <WaltzingAlong> lvjiabin: welcome to the #kubuntu community.
[15:05] <ardchoille> If I compile a binary on two different computers, shouldn't that binary be the exact same size on both computers?
[15:05] <lvjiabin> Oh ！En ,who are you !Nice to meet you !
[15:05] <lvjiabin> Lynoure ,are you an engineer?
[15:06] <Lynoure> lvjiabin: currently, yes.
[15:06] <lvjiabin> So great!
[15:06] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: not necessarily. identical target machines? identical settings and optimizations?
[15:07] <ardchoille> WaltzingAlong: No, not identical. I was just wondering if the binary would be the exact same on both boxes
[15:07] <lvjiabin> Lynoure ,can you tell me some software about  electronic  egineer
[15:07] <WaltzingAlong> ardchoille: with the same settings and target machines, i would think so
[15:08] <lvjiabin> So many bosses
[15:09] <mehmet> kubuntu7.10ded
[15:09] <juancamilo> hi all
[15:10] <Lynoure> lvjiabin: I'm on a Debian system at the moment, but kubuntu might have these too: electric, linsmith, x10, vipec
[15:10] <juancamilo> i have an external usb drive, and it seems to mount automatically and it appears on the desktop, but when i try to open it i get this error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[15:10] <lvjiabin> On ,thank you verymuch!
[15:10] <Lynoure> lvjiabin: but I'm not a circuitboard drawing kind, 'just' a systems engineer
[15:11] <lvjiabin> Lynoure,I know ,you are great  also!
[15:11] <Lynoure> lvjiabin: thank you :)
[15:11] <WaltzingAlong> juancamilo: in dolphin/konqueror right mouse click on the icon for the device, uncheck 'mount as user'
[15:12] <mehmet> what is the from
[15:12] <Jucato> Lynoure: all of those you mentioned are available
[15:16] <Lynoure> Jucato: Yes, I assumed they would be, as Ubuntu relies so much on Debian (makes it easy to have them)
[15:16] <Jucato> :)
[15:16]  * Jucato checked Lynoure's list just to be sure
[15:17] <juancamilo_>  i have an external usb drive, and it seems to mount automatically and it appears on the desktop, but when i try to open it i get this error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[15:18] <juancamilo_> all this is unknown to me, so any help will be apreciated
[15:18] <WaltzingAlong> juancamilo: in dolphin/konqueror right mouse click on the icon for the device, uncheck 'mount as user'
[15:19] <WaltzingAlong> juancamilo_: in dolphin/konqueror right mouse click on the icon for the device, uncheck 'mount as user'
[15:27]  * genii puts on a new pot of coffee
[15:29] <juancamilo_> WaltzingAlong: I did that but now when i try to open it, it will start loading for a while and then i got this message: did not receive a reply, Possible couses include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken
[15:29] <WaltzingAlong> !mounting | juancamilo_, ok. you could try mounting it from within konsole so you see the helpful feedback
[15:29] <ubotu> juancamilo_, ok. you could try mounting it from within konsole so you see the helpful feedback: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[15:30] <WaltzingAlong> juancamilo_: also check kmenu/system settings/advanced/disks and filesystems
[15:36] <aceler> Well. I am inside new shiny Real Time kernel and with fglrx driver inside.
[15:36] <aceler> :)
[15:36] <aceler> THank you very much.
[15:37] <WaltzingAlong> :D aceler
[15:38] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks :)
[15:38] <aceler> And the last. As you can see, my english is not so fluent. Can anybody describe this situation for ubuntu Wiki?
[15:38] <aceler> For users like me - with the new Radeon card and an RT kernel
[15:41] <BluesKaj> aceler, which model Radeon ?
[15:41] <aceler> HD2600Pro
[15:41] <aceler> The driver in linux-restricted-modules is too old and does not support it
[15:43] <juancamilo_> WaltzingAlong: thanks for the reply. look i tried the system settings and the drive appears there but i don't see anything wrong....???
[15:44] <BluesKaj> aceler, have you checked the ATI site for the recommended driver : http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html
[15:44] <aceler> BluesKaj: yes, I installed this driver
[15:45] <aceler> And it works.
[15:45] <ardchoille> !medibuntu
[15:45] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[15:45] <diesel_> HI all I am having a hard time with my usb external hard drive. I can get it to mount using the sudo mount command manually, but would like it to happen automagicilly. Can anyone help? This is a new learning expeiance for me.
[15:45] <BluesKaj> aceler, did you disable the restricted driver in system settings before installing it ?
[15:45] <juancamilo_> WaltzingAlong: i also did: /$ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/jj/ but it just stays there forever, I don't get any feedback from it....
[15:46] <ardchoille> !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:46] <aceler> BluesKaj: yes.
[15:46] <ubotu> Ubuntu Restricted Extras is a new way of getting common "restricted" codecs, etc. See !RestrictedFormats
[15:46] <Daisuke-Laptop> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:46] <aceler> BluesKaj: the problem was with RT kernel from ubuntustudio, not the generic one
[15:46] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[15:47] <aceler> In order to install fglrx driver, I recompiled this kernel with no paravirtualization support. That's the trick.
[15:48] <Daisuke-Laptop> you removed kernel support for that in order to install a video driver?  overkill much?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> aceler,well, that driver is also recommended for my ATI card , but it doesn't provide 3D or DRI like the older restricted driver , so I uninstalled the 8.43 and reverted to the older restricted driver cause it works , a bit clunky on google earth but it's the best for my setup
[15:50] <aceler> BluesKaj: what is your card?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> what good is new car if it won't start
[15:50] <BluesKaj> X200G ...elcheapo omboard
[15:50] <BluesKaj> onboard
[15:50] <aceler> The older drivers like 8.39 and older just say that my card is unsupported
[15:51] <aceler> again, I have Radeon HD2600Pro - it's new.
[15:51] <aceler> Moreover, XVideo overlay does not supported here
[15:52] <BluesKaj> have you tried to install the newer unsupported , i heard some ppl were ignoring the ATI recomendations and the drivers worked anyway
[15:53] <aceler> No
[15:53] <aceler> It's not a recomendation. It is an error in /var/log/Xorg.0.log :)
[15:54] <BluesKaj> yes I did it in feisty , I took the hd2900 driver and it ran fine ...in gutsy it won't ...the older drivers work better in gutsy
[15:54] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:55] <BluesKaj> just trying to explore possibilities here
[15:57]  * BluesKaj goes for more coffee 
[15:58]  * Jucato goes for milk tea
[15:58] <butter> is there  away to quickly erase the drive containing the OS without the cd?
[15:59] <Ahmuck> butter: not really, any quick erase can be recovered
[15:59] <Ahmuck> if that is what you were asking
[15:59] <Downix> I need a new system
[15:59] <butter> I just want to whipe it out and start over
[15:59] <Ahmuck> ah, then yes, fdisk the parititions
[15:59] <Ahmuck> or use dban
[16:00] <Ahmuck> dban takes a while however
[16:00] <Ahmuck> gparted would be another way
[16:01] <Ahmuck> butter: for that matter, a simple dos diskette would do
[16:02] <butter> hehe I unlplugged my floppy
[16:02] <butter> now it's come back to haunt me
[16:02] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[16:03] <Daisuke-Laptop> mornin' contrast
[16:03] <waylandbill> is it just me, or does konqueror render web pages slowly?
[16:03] <contrast83> hey Daisuke-Laptop
[16:04] <contrast83> waylandbill: From my experience, it depends on the page. Some are lightning fast, others are just a tad slower than Firefox.
[16:04] <Ahmuck> butter: i haven't had a floppy since 2003
[16:04] <butter> lol
[16:04] <Ahmuck> i use cdrom and boot from it
[16:04] <contrast83> And it doesn't seem to have to do with the elements (pictures, Flash, etc.) on the page.
[16:04] <butter> dos boot cd?
[16:05] <contrast83> Is anyone here using Virtualbox in seamless mode with Compiz-Fusion? The viewport I start it on is completely blacked out unless it has a window from the guest OS open on it.
[16:05] <Ahmuck> have you tried vbox forum?
[16:05] <Daisuke-Laptop> yeah, it works for me, though i know that's not a great answer
[16:05] <contrast83> It appears to be dead in there. :-\
[16:06] <Ahmuck> ah yes.  nm
[16:06] <Daisuke-Laptop> vbox people and/or compiz-fusion people :)
[16:06] <Ahmuck> vbox
[16:06] <contrast83> Yep, I'm in there too. Nothing. :-)
[16:06] <Ahmuck> *buntu needs a community vbox wiki
[16:06] <Jucato> you could start one if you like
[16:06] <waylandbill> I use vbox, but I don't use compiz fusion. :)
[16:08] <Jucato> there seems to be this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[16:08] <Jucato> !virtualbox
[16:08] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[16:08] <Jucato> oh there...
[16:08] <bbm4n> hello
[16:08] <iulius22ro> hello everyone
[16:08] <bbm4n> guys i have a serious resolution problem
[16:09] <bbm4n> i restarted kubuntu  and they've freaked out!
[16:09] <iulius22ro> plz i want to change my mac adress to be permanent even after a reboot? how can i do that?
[16:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> iulius22ro: mac addresses don't change.
[16:10] <bbm4n> you cannot change you MAC
[16:10] <ardchoille> build your own NIC?
[16:10] <bbm4n> its printed on the NIC
[16:10] <Ahmuck> unfortunately, that page is the instruction book, not a list of problems and thier solutions
[16:10] <Daisuke-Laptop> ardchoille: look at the typing style...  you think a self-built nic is likely in this scenario?
[16:10] <iulius22ro> manually i can with ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55
[16:11] <Ahmuck> yes, you can fake a mac address
[16:11] <iulius22ro> but after a reboot i have to enter it manually again
[16:11] <ardchoille> Daisuke-Laptop: lol, not really.. I was being a smart allek :)
[16:11] <iulius22ro> a a permanent solution?
[16:11] <Daisuke-Laptop> iulius22ro: live with the one you have and stop spoofing mac addresses to leech someone else's bandwidth?
[16:11] <Ahmuck> MAC spoofing
[16:11] <bbm4n> guys can anyone help me with the resolution problem?
[16:11] <ardchoille> pwnd!
[16:11] <Ahmuck> i suppose you could write a script for the problem
[16:12] <Ahmuck> Daisuke-Laptop: actually there are practical applications beyond leeching for mac spoofing
[16:12] <iulius22ro> too hard 4 me :D
[16:13] <bbm4n> i have to scroll wtih mouse, lol!
[16:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> Ahmuck: oh i know
[16:16] <bbm4n> any ideas with restricted drivers maybe?
[16:19] <ardchoille> dasKreech: hi
[16:21] <dasKreech> ardchoille: hello
[16:21] <ubuntu> hallo leute
[16:22] <BluesKaj> dasKreech !
[16:22] <dasKreech> BluesKaj!!!
[16:22] <dasKreech> you old dog :-)
[16:24] <BluesKaj> hehe
[16:24] <ubuntu> weis jemand wie man call of duty 2 zum laufen bringt?
[16:25] <Jucato> !de | ubuntu
[16:25] <ubotu> ubuntu: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[16:25] <schiste> !de
[16:25] <schiste> pwnd :(
[16:26] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: were you using the opensource version or the personal version of virtualbox?
[16:26] <contrast83> Personal
[16:27] <WaltzingAlong> contrast83: you could also check in #virtualbox or #vbox
[16:27] <contrast83> Yep, already did. Thanks though.
[16:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> my biggest issue with vbox is that i can't use my usb thumbdrives in it
[16:28] <BluesKaj> aha, now I realize why google earth is so clunky on my setup .. it's a 32bit running off the 32 bit library on a 64bit pc ...or that's the explanation in some of the google earth forums ...does that explanation make sense ?
[16:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> so *all* of my schoolwork for my java class gets done in there, including submission, because i can't save the friggin thing to my flash drive :\
[16:29] <WaltzingAlong> Daisuke-Laptop: yes for that you would need the non-free personal one which has usb support
[16:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> WaltzingAlong: that's the one i'm using.
[16:29] <WaltzingAlong> BluesKaj: should not be so slow because of that
[16:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> and i still don't have usb support.
[16:29] <WaltzingAlong> oh!
[16:30] <WaltzingAlong> on gutsy? you no doubt uncommented the lines you needed to? Daisuke-Laptop http://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/747
[16:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> ahhhhhh
[16:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> see, i'm always too busy to google this when i'm working with it
[16:31] <pietjephuck> Any one have an idea how to convert .ts files (hdtv) to dvd?
[16:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> but then when i'm not, i just forget about it
[16:31] <WaltzingAlong> !info devede | pietjephuck
[16:31] <ubotu> pietjephuck: devede: program to create video DVDs. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.13-0.0 (gutsy), package size 741 kB, installed size 1700 kB
[16:31] <WaltzingAlong> so do it, do it now Daisuke-Laptop :D
[16:32]  * BluesKaj wonders what the "fix" is to make google earth respond more quickly and smoothly ...the recommended ATI proprietary drivers just break X on mysetup
[16:33] <dasKreech> BluesKaj: Get a physical globe?
[16:33] <Daisuke-Laptop> WaltzingAlong: i have done
[16:34] <Daisuke-Laptop> odd to see a script in init.d/ that doesn't accept the restart...  or is it system controlled (on demand)?
[16:34] <BluesKaj> got a map on the wall ...it's just not the same dasKreech :>(
[16:34] <Daisuke-Laptop> *the restart argument
[16:35] <Daisuke-Laptop> BluesKaj: do you have hundreds of pins in the map with string linking them all together in a web of people whose genes are slightly more advanced than our own?
[16:35] <diesel_> How do I find the UUID of a USB connected external hard drive?
[16:35] <contrast83> Hmm... Well, it's not nVidia-specific. It's doing the same thing on my laptop (ATI/AIGLX). I'm starting to think maybe I skipped a step. I just set up the VM normally, then installed Guest Additions and hit R-Ctrl+L. Did I miss something?
[16:35] <dasKreech> two more chromosomes
[16:35] <Daisuke-Laptop> forty six and two?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> Daisuke-Laptop, there are no genetic types more advanced than us !
[16:36] <WaltzingAlong> diesel_: blkid
[16:36] <Daisuke-Laptop> BluesKaj: haven't you ever watched x-men?  of course there are!
[16:37] <BluesKaj> theyaren't advanced , they're freaks
[16:39]  * Jucato is offended by that...
[16:39] <Jucato> it's people like you that make our existence truly miserable :(
[16:39]  * Jucato whistles innocently
[16:39] <dasKreech> BluesKaj: Species 8472?
[16:39] <ardchoille> lol Jucato
[16:40] <waylandbill> Jucato? innocent? I heard it all now. :-P
[16:40] <BluesKaj> no idea , don't really watch comics on tv ...i'm old
[16:40] <dasKreech> comics on TV :) ah that's classic
[16:40] <Jucato> bwahah!
[16:41] <dasKreech> It's a smallville after all. It's a smallville after all!
[16:41] <diesel_> WaltzingAlong: Thanks much that worked. This has been killing me. I have been trying to get these to auto mount on start up, but no joy so I thought that I would manually edit fstab.
[16:41] <WaltzingAlong> diesel_: great. you could also make the changes via kmenu/system settings/advanced/disks and filesystems
[16:42] <X314> is there a way do do a rescue system whatever with any of the boot disks?
[16:42] <Daisuke-Laptop> has that applet improved since feisty?
[16:42] <Daisuke-Laptop> i remember it caused me a lot of grief...  gave my swap partition a mountpoint :\
[16:42] <diesel_> WaltzingAlong: Thanks did not know that. Off to try that.
[16:42] <WaltzingAlong> X314: sure what do you need to rescue?
[16:43] <X314> WaltzingAlong my desktop computer -.- it boots, but then the screen just turns black after kubuntu has booted
[16:45] <WaltzingAlong> X314: seems like you may merely need to reconfigure X ; is there the recovery entry in grub still? you could select that, get to the prompt, then sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh       to reconfigure X; also check the log at /var/log/Xorg.0.log looking for (EE) to explain why X did not start
[16:46] <X314> WaltzingAlong well.. thats the thing.. I think it starts... it just isent sending any info out.. it reacts when I type in my password and press enter.. it thinks for about a minute then turns silent again.. but I cant really be sure..
[16:47] <X314> was after som major software update thingie yesturday, or the day before that i think
[16:47] <WaltzingAlong> X314: when you get to the grub screen where you can select which system to load (you may have to press ESC to see the list) you could make changes to the entry to disable splash and quiet so you see more output
[16:48] <X314> okay.. I'll try that.. be back in 5 min or so..
[16:49] <waylandbill> and the changes don't even need to be permanent. Grub allows one time modification of the command to boot.
[16:56] <LaSombra> Anyone knows if kwin has a tendency to crash with compiz?
[16:57] <waylandbill> LaSombra: yes. alot.
[16:57] <WaltzingAlong> LaSombra: either you use compiz or you use kwinh hence kwin --replace    or compiz --replace
[16:57] <LaSombra> waylandbill: Hmmm. Imagined that.
[16:57] <WaltzingAlong> kwin*
[16:58] <LaSombra> WaltzingAlong: Yeah, thx :/
[16:58] <LaSombra> Hope this can be fixed inside Kubuntu and not upstream.
[16:58] <WaltzingAlong> LaSombra: so what do you mean? when compize --replace is launched, compize becomes the window manager, replacing any other window manager (ie kwin)
[16:58] <X314> hmm.. 7.10.. isent that Gutsy..?
[16:58] <waylandbill> LaSombra: I'm guessing that the window decorations disappear on you.
[16:58] <WaltzingAlong> LaSombra: what is there to fix?
[16:59] <WaltzingAlong> X314: yes 7.10 gutsy gibbon
[16:59] <X314> WaltzingAlong so my system has updated to gutsy, could that be why its not working..? it was 7.04 before
[16:59] <LaSombra> waylandbill: Sometimes.
[17:00] <Jucato> you can't have kwin and compiz running at the same time
[17:00] <Daisuke-Laptop> and why oh WHY would you not want it fixed upstream?
[17:00] <WaltzingAlong> X314: sure could be something during the upgrade; had you used envy or automatix or installed the kernel modules manually for your video card
[17:00] <Daisuke-Laptop> that's just...  wow
[17:01] <LaSombra> WaltzingAlong: KWin should be used instead of emerald for example
[17:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> oi
[17:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> kwin is a window manager
[17:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> compiz is a window manager
[17:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> emerald is a window DECORATOR
[17:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> kwin cannot be used interchangably with emerald.
[17:02] <Jucato> LaSombra: you can't use kwin with compiz. compiz has window decorator that "emulates" kwin window decorations
[17:03] <X314> WaltzingAlong hmm.. I dident do anything manualy.. I barely know what I'm doing at all most of the time -.- .. but well.. any advice on what to do about it?
[17:03] <WaltzingAlong> LaSombra: but maybe you mean that there are some problems with compiz, like titlebars going missing
[17:04] <waylandbill> that's the most likely problem.
[17:04] <Jucato> and it's not about kwin crashing (which it can't, since it can't be running, or at least shouldn't be, while compiz is being used)
[17:04] <WaltzingAlong> X314: were you able to boot at least so you could log into the !terminal ?        did it seem the distupgrade to gutsy went well? which kernel are you running (uname -a)
[17:05] <Iradigalesc> Hello! I have an old laptop and I need APM to use the battery detection... Is it possible to install APM at Kubuntu gusty?
[17:06] <WaltzingAlong> X314: if just X is not loading then switch back to the 'vesa' driver with  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg        so you can at least get into X where #kubuntu can help you further
[17:07] <X314> WaltzingAlong I think I can get into terminal.. and as far as I know there where no problems with updateing to gutsy.
[17:08] <WaltzingAlong> !find apm
[17:08] <ubotu> Found: apmd, libapm-dev, libapm1, xserver-xorg-video-apm, hapm (and 4 others)
[17:09] <lg188>  hello
[17:09] <WaltzingAlong> X314: if the issue is just x not loading you can switch to vesa. you could also from terminal (or ssh into the machine from another) check the X log with less /var/log/Xorg.0.log for reasons (EE) why it failed
[17:09] <WaltzingAlong> lg188: greetings
[17:10] <lg188> WaltzingAlong: is ahh
[17:12] <lg188> i have fogotten hsi name
[17:12] <X314> WaltzingAlong I'm doing the X thing now..
[17:12] <lg188> forgotten
[17:13] <WaltzingAlong> lg188: whose name?
[17:13] <WaltzingAlong> X314: ok
[17:13] <drarem> I have 4 home movies on disk recorded to .wmv files, can i get them all onto a single dvd allowing people to play them on their set-top dvd players?
[17:13] <drarem> they are the entire .dat tape length
[17:14] <lg188> some on helped me  and i sais that i ill be at Monday butt i have forgotten hsi name so i dint know who ....
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> drarem: well you need something that can read wmv
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> !codecs | drarem
[17:15] <ubotu> drarem: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:15] <diesel_> Can someone suggest a backup strategy for my laptop. It has a external hd attached. The lappy hd is 80 gig.
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> !info devede | drarem, and you may find this tool helpful for creating video dvd discs
[17:15] <ubotu> drarem, and you may find this tool helpful for creating video dvd discs: devede: program to create video DVDs. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 2.13-0.0 (gutsy), package size 741 kB, installed size 1700 kB
[17:15] <WaltzingAlong> !backup | diesel_
[17:15] <ubotu> diesel_: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[17:16] <drarem> devede looks interesting, is it the same compression though as sonic on winslows?
[17:17] <WaltzingAlong> drarem: do not know but it will generate video dvd compliant files/discs. (mpeg2 format and such)
[17:17] <Tester> http://rincondechrist.blogspot.com/
[17:18] <drarem> ok thanks
[17:19] <BluesKaj> drarem, the video codecs on devede are std for dvd and cd ... if you want to play windows media files wmv etc use the VLC player
[17:19] <drarem> i just have 4 .dat tapes i want to put on 1 instead of 4 dvd's which I don't think will be possible without serious degradation
[17:19] <drarem> like i recorded in betamax =)
[17:21] <The_Machine> anyone else have a problem with their scroll button using Kubuntu?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> drarem, you need a video capture card that will take the video output from the recorded video ,then diditize it to mpeg
[17:21] <zorglu_> q. what are the available audio player available ? (beside amarok which doesnt fit my needs)
[17:21] <BluesKaj> err digitize
[17:22] <Jucato> zorglu_: what are your needs?
[17:22] <zorglu_> Jucato: being able to do a playlist :)
[17:22] <WaltzingAlong> zorglu_: what has suited you in the past? also ask adept manager to filter based on audio or player or so on
[17:22] <WaltzingAlong> zorglu_: amarok can do playlists as well
[17:22] <Jucato> zorglu_: but amarok is great at playlists...
[17:22] <zorglu_> WaltzingAlong: ok ok i dont want to talk about that :)
[17:22] <Downix> trying to figure out how to check on what's eating up RAM
[17:23] <zorglu_> Jucato: no i just talked with #amarok for a while
[17:23] <Jucato> in fact, there was someone in here that complained before that it's too playlist-centric
[17:23] <zorglu_> Jucato: what are the alternatives ?
[17:23] <WaltzingAlong> Downix: top, htop, ksysguard, ?
[17:23] <X314> WaltzingAlong I got as far as the color stuff "24 bits of color deoth" and all that.. when i pressed ok there, i got "xsever-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-costomised configuration file; backup in /ect/x11/xorg.conf.20071119182050
[17:23] <Jucato> talked with #amarok? O.o
[17:23] <Jucato> zorglu_: juk
[17:23] <zorglu_> Jucato: ok lookin
[17:23] <WaltzingAlong> X314: OK. if you booted with the recovery option, press ctrl+d
[17:23] <WaltzingAlong> vlc
[17:24] <riri> how to change the kde4 wallpaper ?
[17:24] <Downix> never have figured out top
[17:24] <X314> WaltzingAlong alot of text stuff boot thingies i think showed up OK then the screen turned black again.
[17:25] <WaltzingAlong> otherwise X314 sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart                     which driver did you pick? vesa?
[17:26] <drarem> the wmv's in total are 3.5Gb but the dvds expand even huger?
[17:26] <X314> driver for what? you lost me...
[17:27] <WaltzingAlong> X314: which video card do you have?
[17:27] <X314> WaltzingAlong I think I did something bad.. I restarted the computer.. and there are black squares here and there.. or rather places with nothing showing.. and some text is missing parts of it
[17:28] <X314> WaltzingAlong ATI Radeon 9800 pro
[17:28] <WaltzingAlong> X314: do you have a console again? how about ctrl+alt+f1
[17:29] <X314> WaltzingAlong I can get back to the terminal.. there are just parts of everything missing
[17:30] <drarem> is there anything I can use to edit wmv files before sending to dvd?
[17:31] <WaltzingAlong> X314: yeah we can fix it. back in terminal, grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf              do you see ati, fglrx, or vesa?
[17:31] <WaltzingAlong> avidemux comes to mind but something suggests it works with the avi container drarem
[17:32] <drarem> ok
[17:32] <X314> WaltzingAlong I get no such file or directory
[17:33] <X314> wait
[17:33] <X314> my bad. typo
[17:33] <WaltzingAlong> happens
[17:34] <BluesKaj> drarem, devede or tovid can transcode wmv/avi files to dvd/mpeg
[17:34] <X314> now nothing hapens.. just the _ blinking under it
[17:34] <drarem> right, wondering how to keep near-quality of the dat tape without putting one home movie on one dvd
[17:34] <drarem> have 4 movies
[17:35] <WaltzingAlong> drarem: any transcoding in lossy formats is bound to lose some quality
[17:35] <bbeck> I would like to set some names for local boxes in my resove.conf file (e.g. server_name 192.168.1.5), but dhcp keeps trampling the file.  I was wondering if anyone knew how to set my static names in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf?
[17:36] <zorglu_> maouaoua one need 1 or 2 php to get basic music playing :)
[17:36] <WaltzingAlong> bbeck: /etc/hosts
[17:36] <WaltzingAlong> X314: how about, grep -i "(EE)" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:36] <Dr_willis> i alwyas put mine in /etc/hosts also. :)
[17:37] <zorglu_> Jucato: do you know another alternative?
[17:37] <bbeck> WaltzingAlong: thank you.
[17:37] <mkz> recently I was experiencing a problem with my kubuntu gutsy install hanging (hard-lock).  After reviewing a number of log files (kern.log, syslog, messages, dmesg) it seems that maybe my sound driver (snd-hda-intel) was the culperit.  I moved snd-hda-intel.ko out of it's original directory (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/ubuntu/media/snd-hda-intel) in order to supress it's loading.  I want to re-enable my sound so I've returned the
[17:37] <mkz> ko file to it's original directory, but oddly enough kmix still shows no sound installed.  Is there something I've missed?  Is there a command to reconfigure sound?
[17:37] <Jucato> zorglu_: kde-apps.org... :/
[17:37] <zorglu_> Jucato: ok :)
[17:37] <X314> WaltzingAlong I dont think I have root access anymore..
[17:37] <Jucato> zorglu_: or..try searching in adept
[17:37] <zorglu_> Jucato: kde really need a audio player :)
[17:38] <zorglu_> apparently they all seems to be "smart" :)
[17:38] <Jucato> zorglu_: I presume you've exhausted all possible means to solve your problems with amarok?
[17:38] <WaltzingAlong> X314: does the prompt show you normaluser@host or root@host? if normaluser, then you would need            sudo like sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:38] <X314> WaltzingAlong it doesnt say anything.. just the _ before it said root@host
[17:38] <Jucato> zorglu_: I'm a very minimal audio user... amarok is perfect for that... (except for 50% of the features I don't use)
[17:38] <WaltzingAlong> zorglu_: xmms mpg321
[17:39] <zorglu_> Jucato: i did. and i want to add stream in playlist and amarok make it hard/impossible. moreover their spam about their personnal choise of music bother me
[17:39] <Jucato> hm?
[17:39] <zorglu_> Jucato: they have put their personnal choise of music in it and prevent people from removing it :)
[17:39] <WaltzingAlong> as far as i know it is possible to add streams to a playlist in amarok
[17:39] <Jucato> what spam?
[17:39] <lg188> what is your meaning of hackers ?
[17:39] <Dr_willis> cant say that ive ever noticed spam.
[17:39] <zorglu_> Jucato: believe it or not, this is only because they like it. they dont even get funding for this :)
[17:39] <Jucato> the radio streams?
[17:40] <zorglu_> Jucato: yep the dev choise of music that the user cant remove
[17:40] <Jucato> zorglu_: that's what FOSS is mostly about... doing what you like/consider fun... specially if you dont' have funding
[17:40]  * Jucato dares not try remove because he likes some of those...
[17:41] <Jucato> although I can't seem to understand why they'd be considered "spam"...
[17:41] <zorglu_> Jucato: well i got a different view of foss :) for me it is about empowering the user . but lets not argue :)
[17:41] <Dr_willis> Hmm. I just added a stream to my playlist
[17:41] <X314> WaltzingAlong I rebooted and now all the text shows up fine
[17:41] <Jucato> but what about the stream problem?
[17:41] <WaltzingAlong> X314: ok how about checking the X log
[17:41] <zorglu_> Jucato: the stream is renamed "1024" it is from di.fm and got displayed ok but only when not in playlist
[17:42] <WaltzingAlong> grep -i "(EE)" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[17:42] <Jucato> hm... ok...
[17:42] <lg188> what is your meaning of hackers ?
[17:43] <X314> WaltzingAlong on less /var/log/Xorg.0.log I get no such file or directory
[17:43] <X314> oh.. case sensitive apparently
[17:43] <X314> interesting.. got it now
[17:44] <X314> WaltzingAlong its open now. what am i looking for?
[17:46] <zorglu_> Jucato: ok i switched back to mplayer :)))
[17:46] <zorglu_> Jucato: thanks for your help
[17:46] <Jucato> zorglu_: have you tried the mplayer frontends?
[17:46]  * Jucato is not sure if they support playlists though
[17:47] <zorglu_> Jucato: i found one for video. quite good and quite unknown too. it is called smplayer
[17:47] <zorglu_> mplayer http://www.di.fm/mp3/trance.pls  <- this is my solution :)
[17:47] <Jucato> it's not as unknown as you think :)
[17:47] <zorglu_> and it doesnt take 50mbyte :)
[17:47] <zorglu_> Jucato: oh good then because it is real nice. and i do watch a LOT of video :)
[17:47] <zorglu_> 50mbyte was about amarok
[17:47] <Jucato> (thought we were talking about audio playlists though...)
[17:48] <Dr_willis> Hmm cant get  http://www.slayradio.org/home.php  working in amarok.
[17:48] <zorglu_> Jucato: i will create a .m3u by hand and point mplayer to it :)
[17:48] <Dr_willis> there it went. :)
[17:48] <Jucato> zorglu_: so neither kplayer nor kmplayer worked for you?
[17:49] <zorglu_> !info smplayer
[17:49] <ubotu> smplayer: complete front-end for MPlayer. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 0.5.20-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 816 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[17:49] <Dr_willis> C64 Tunes Streaming! gotta love it.
[17:49] <zorglu_> Jucato: i dunno kplayer. but no kmplayer didnt
[17:49] <zorglu_> Jucato: just compare the IU of kmplayer to smplayer :)
[17:50] <andy_123> hi all,
[17:50] <andy_123> looks like adept has a bug, after update i'm getting a warning when installing something
[17:50] <andy_123> is this a known issue?
[17:50] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: in c64 time we had some fun with "demo" one was a naked women and you had to put a wet finger on the serial port to make contact and make her come :))
[17:51] <Dr_willis> zorglu_,  gotta love that.
[17:51] <zorglu_> Dr_willis: it was fun time :)atari st was fun too. with overscan and boot block :)
[17:51] <Jucato> zorglu_: kmplayer was intended to be an embedded player for online/streaming content. the UI (specially the ones at the bottom) are optimized for that end. that it can function as a standalone player is an added feature (since you can opt to play a video externally)
[17:52] <andy_123> does anyone get a warning using adept manager?
[17:52] <Dr_willis> andy_123,  there was a samba package issue over the weekend
[17:53] <andy_123> oki, how to solve it?
[17:53] <zorglu_> Jucato: well i wrote a video player during the past 3months. and from my point of view, their UI is ununderstandable :)
[17:53] <zorglu_> Jucato: not the only project to get ultra complex/poorly organized ui tho
[17:53] <Dr_willis> !smbbug
[17:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smbbug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:53] <Dr_willis> !sambabug
[17:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sambabug - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:53] <Jucato> (by whose standards though... but anway...)
[17:54] <zorglu_> Jucato: vlc has many possibilities for example but the ui is poorly organized so most users are unable to get those possibilities
[17:54] <Jucato> Dr_willis: it's gone (or supposed to be)
[17:54] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  yea - i was just update/upgrading to check myself. :)
[17:54]  * Jucato doesn't use vlc...
[17:54] <Dr_willis> zorglu_,  it could be your servers havent updated yet.
[17:54] <X314> I get really crappy sound in vlc..
[17:54] <andy_123> Dr_willis: adept complians that it cannot apply the changes. that there was a problem with downloading something
[17:55] <Dr_willis> andy_123,  could try updateing/upgrading from the terminal
[17:55] <zorglu_> ok ok in anycase thanks for your help guys :)
[17:55] <andy_123> will try that...
[17:55] <vt04> ok
[17:55] <Dr_willis> if it mentions somthing about samba package not found its the samba bug. Should be getting fixed soon aa all the servers
[17:56] <vt04> ok
[17:56] <X314> !gutsy
[17:56] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Gutsy:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - New Features: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/710tour - Please use bittorrent to download if possible, see !torrents
[17:57] <X314> yes but whats the channel called? ><
[17:57] <zorglu_> btw transe is good for coding :)
[18:03] <harry_> does anyone know how to bring up the toolbar with key commands? my toolbar has dissapeared and mousing over it doesnt work
[18:03] <jussio1> harry_: alt +f2 then type kicker
[18:04] <harry_> ? still doesnt show up
[18:04] <X314> anyone know what to look for in the X log if my monitor turns black after boot?
[18:04] <Jucato> harry_: Ctrl+M
[18:04] <Jucato> that one?
[18:04] <Jucato> wait what toolbar?
[18:05] <harry_> the main desktop tool bar on the bottom of the screen
[18:05] <Jucato> X314: look in /var/log/Xorg.#.log (replace # with the latest number for the most recent log) and look for EE lines
[18:06] <harry_> It still is not there???  Help please
[18:06] <Jucato> harry_: ah, that's a panel, and the name is kicker (the kde panel). try this; press Alt+F2, type in "dcop kicker kicker restart"
[18:07] <caris_mere> When you plug in a usb stick, it automatically gives a list of options...I selected one and said remember this, but now I want to change it.  Do you know how?
[18:07] <X314> Jucato and if there are no (EE) lines?
[18:08] <harry_> It shows up for a brief .05 seconds and disappears
[18:08] <Jucato> X314: once everything turns black after boot, press Ctrl+Alt+F1, login to the command line, type "startx". if it throws you back, there should be some error messages
[18:08] <JohnFlux> harry_: did you recently add an applet to it?
[18:08] <JohnFlux> harry_: sounds like one of the applets is crashing
[18:09] <JohnFlux> :(
[18:09] <Jucato> JohnFlux: or one of Kubuntu's most annoying kicker bugs :/
[18:09] <harry_> not recently... This morning I added
[18:09] <Jucato> hiding and relocating itself
[18:09] <X314> Jucato okay. trying
[18:09] <harry_> New to this ubunto stuff and I like it but it is a bit frustrating
[18:10] <Jucato> harry_: Alt+F2, "kcontrol" then, in the list at the left of the window, go to Desktop -> Panels
[18:10] <JohnFlux> harry_: I'd be frustrated too :(
[18:10] <JohnFlux> harry_: you could delete the config file:  rm  .kde/share/config/kickerrc    and restart X ?
[18:10]  * Jucato scratches his head...
[18:10] <JohnFlux> harry_: do what Jucato suggests first though
[18:11] <Jucato> JohnFlux: yours is easier, but he doesn't need to restart X does he?
[18:11] <harry_> HAHAHA   yea, i've been doing a lot of that lately
[18:11] <JohnFlux> ;)
[18:11] <Jucato> caris_mere: System Settings -> Notifications -> Storage Media Notifications
[18:11] <caris_mere> Jucato: thanks
[18:12] <harry_> ah... It is back... all I did was to change the pixel size a bit and apply.. there she is.. THANKS
[18:12]  * snowdonke1 snowdonkey
[18:12] <harry_> Is there some kind of virus scanning soft in linux??
[18:13] <Dr_willis> harry_,  you need to scan your windows partitions for viruses? :)
[18:13] <Jucato> !antivirus | harry_
[18:13] <ubotu> harry_: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[18:13] <Dr_willis> theres tools that can do that.
[18:13] <Jucato> !virus
[18:13] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[18:13] <X314> Jucato fatal server error: server is already active for display 0 If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.x0-lock and start again. Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key giving up xinit: unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): server error.
[18:13] <harry_> ok  thx
[18:13] <georg> Hallo zusammen. Wo finde ich bitte den deutschen Kubuntu channel ?
[18:14] <Jucato> !de | georg
[18:14] <ubotu> georg: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[18:14] <Jucato> X314: oh... I"m clueless :/
[18:14] <georg> Danke thanks
[18:14] <X314> Jucato well thanks anyways. :)
[18:15] <lg188> what is your meaning of hackers ? please say your word
[18:15] <harry_> what about a Firewall such as Firestarter.. How do I know it is working other than locking and unlocking it??
[18:16] <Dr_willis> check the wikipedia for hackers
[18:16] <Dr_willis> harry_,  try some of the portscanning web sites perhaps.
[18:16] <Dr_willis> of coruse most services are disabled by default. so even with it OFF they may not find much
[18:16]  * genii slides Dr_willis a large coffee
[18:17] <Dr_willis> Its about time for me to head to work also. :()
[18:17] <Jucato> me me me!! I want some!! me!! mine mine mine!!
[18:17] <harry_> thx 4 the help folks
[18:17]  * Jucato jumps up and down in front of genii
[18:17]  * Dr_willis injects Jucato  With an double-expresso 
[18:17] <Jucato> yay!!!
[18:18] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: I don't think he needed it
[18:18]  * Jucato somersaults to and fro
[18:18] <Jucato> oh yes I did!! I did!! I did!! I did!!
[18:18] <kaminix> Hmm... recently an update for flac came out via apt. Ought I re-encode all my FLACs now?
[18:18] <Dr_willis> They guys i work with Forbid me to have Coffee after 9:00 :)
[18:18] <ardchoille> lol
[18:19] <Dr_willis> kaminix,  i doubt if you will gain anything from it.
[18:19] <Jucato> kaminix: no. updates only affect the software, not their output
[18:19] <Jucato> unless it has a new feature that you want to take advantage of that will affect the quality/size of the files you encoded...
[18:19] <kaminix> I see... no better compression or anything?
[18:20] <Jucato> (see last comment)
[18:20] <waylandbill> Jucato needs the Robusta beans for his coffee. :)
[18:20] <kaminix> Yeah... well... does it?
[18:20] <Jucato> koffee beans would be enough
[18:20] <Jucato> kaminix: you'll have to check the changelogs for that (but most probably not)
[18:21] <kaminix> Okay :)
[18:21] <kaminix> Thanks. :)
[18:21]  * genii hooks Jucato up to a caffeine drip
[18:22] <stdin> kaminix: if you want to see the changelog you can do "aptitude changelog <package>" (replacing "<package>" with the actual package name)
[18:22] <Jucato> stdin!
[18:22] <stdin> Jucato!!!!!!11.1
[18:22] <genii> Jucato: I got called away to some work, only now saw your antics LOL
[18:22] <Jucato> lol
[18:22] <jmcnerney> ANYONE: Why does Adept will not let me search/install new packages (like firefox)? I'm used to Synaptic manager....
[18:23] <stdin> jmcnerney: 1st guess is that your sources are disabled?
[18:23] <Jucato> it does... if you're not experiencing that, there's something wrong on your end... unfortunately...
[18:24] <jmcnerney> Disabled? I just did a fresh Dapper Drake install, no modifications. My last build was ubuntu (not kubuntu) and I had no problems.
[18:24] <stdin> jmcnerney: either that or you've selected to filter only installed packages from the filter list at the top
[18:24] <stdin> jmcnerney: if you installed with no active network (internet) connection then the sources will be disabled by default
[18:25] <jmcnerney> YES! I did install offline. How do I reactive sources?
[18:25] <jmcnerney> eg: "re-activate"
[18:26] <stdin> in adept, Adept -> Manage Repositories
[18:26] <stdin> there you can check the disabled ones to re-enable them
[18:26] <stdin> (if I remember the dapper interface correctly)
[18:27] <Jucato> right-click on the lines to enable
[18:27] <stdin> and remember to click the apply button after
[18:28] <jmcnerney> Sounds right...I'm enabling now.....THANKS in advance (I hope)!!!!
[18:32] <jmcnerney> exit
[18:35]  * Minataku meows at Jucato :3
[18:35]  * Jucato purrs
[18:35] <Minataku> lol
[18:35] <pietjephuck> lol
[18:35] <pietjephuck> quiet today?
[18:36] <Jucato> very...
[18:36] <Jucato> that's good
[18:37]  * genii tries to enjoy the quiet
[18:37] <pietjephuck> Was reading back, this guy had a problem with metwork being disabled
[18:37] <emilsedgh> being quiet in long time means kubuntu is getting better :P
[18:37] <genii> emilsedgh: Yes, exactly
[18:38] <Jucato> or people leaving :(
[18:38] <seb_> hello
[18:38] <Jucato> we can't tell.. all we now is "Konversation terminated"
[18:38] <Jucato> :(
[18:38] <pietjephuck> I tried to install with wireless card, it was not working so my sources where disabled as well
[18:38] <Minataku> We've still got 387 users in here
[18:38] <Minataku> Well, 386
[18:38] <genii> Minataku: Yup :0
[18:38] <emilsedgh> Jucato: no, im sure kubuntu is rising
[18:39] <Minataku> Which is a little above average, I think
[18:39] <Jucato> 385..
[18:39] <Jucato> 384
[18:39] <genii> pietjephuck: There is also of course source-o-matic
[18:41] <X314> Minataku I will now stop hogging the off-topic channel and take my problems here in hope for solutions!
[18:41] <X314> anywho, blackscreen after boot.
[18:41] <X314> boot of kubuntu gutsy
[18:42] <pietjephuck> genii: I plugged in the wired connection and enabled the sources
[18:42] <X314> has been so since I (out of no better knowlage) upgraded to gutsy
[18:42] <genii> Good :0
[18:42] <Tecumseh> hi there
[18:42] <Minataku> Hm
[18:42] <Minataku> lol
[18:43] <Minataku> You should get better help in here anyway ^^
[18:43] <X314> hopefully
[18:43] <Tecumseh> I'm having troubles with kde after enabling compiz-fusion following the kubuntu documentation. kde-window-decorator keeps crashing
[18:43] <pietjephuck> Just looking forward to the day when there will be native drivers for all cards
[18:43] <stdin> tried disabling splash? (didn't read the backlog in -offtopic because I'm lazy)
[18:44] <Tecumseh> this is the error message I'm getting: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45059/
[18:44] <X314> Minataku Is there any "simple" (I have realised that nothing really is simple per say in linux) to restore the old version?
[18:44] <Tecumseh> How can I prevend these errors / crashes?
[18:45] <stdin> Tecumseh: prevent them? that's easy, don't enable compiz
[18:45] <pietjephuck> lol
[18:45] <Tecumseh> ok, that's obvious...
[18:45] <stdin> Tecumseh: or maybe try with emerald, but that not exactly "less buggy"
[18:45] <pietjephuck> to obvious
[18:46]  * stdin notes there _is_ a reason kubuntu didn't ship with compiz...
[18:46] <Minataku> What reason is that?
[18:46] <stdin> because it doesn't work :p
[18:46] <stdin> compiz doesn't like KDE apparently
[18:46] <Minataku> Well, apparantly, for a lot of people, nothing does
[18:46] <Tecumseh> from what I'm seeing now is that kwin is starting at bootup, then compiz kills it and uses kde-window-decorator wich then crashes. Is there an option to not start kwin but start compiz to start with?
[18:47] <Minataku> The Compiz losers are probably in league with GNOME to create some kind of lockin
[18:47] <stdin> Tecumseh: that's not the problem, that's what supposed to happen (and it doesn't kill kwin, it asks it to stop managing the windows and exit)
[18:47] <Minataku> I wouldn't put it past GNOME, I mean, they have to get users somehow despite how GTK sucks
[18:48] <Minataku> :P
[18:48] <jussio1> Tecumseh: try removing the startup script if you made it
[18:48] <Minataku> I'm joking of course
[18:48] <trappist> Tecumseh: there's an env var you can export in your .bashrc to set kde's decorator to, say, emerald insead of kwin
[18:48] <Minataku> But I DO think that GNOME and GTK suck
[18:48] <Tecumseh> jussio1: no startup created yet
[18:48] <trappist> Tecumseh: found it, export KDEWM="compiz --replace"
[18:49] <stdin> you don't need the --replace if it's set in KDEWM
[18:49] <trappist> stdin: makes sense
[18:49] <pietjephuck> I doubt very much they will stopp that low
[18:49] <genii> Yup, only if you're flipping them on-the-fly etc
[18:52] <Tecumseh> let's see if that worked, restarting X
[18:52]  * stdin bet's it still crashes
[18:54] <Tecumseh> hmmm, that didn't work as planned
[18:55] <Tecumseh> kde-window-manager still crashed leaving me with X started without a functional wm
[18:55] <expo> Sorry i am italian i have a problem: i have manually installed my modem (USB) this is alcatel speed touch now i am connect to the internet but i can't use protocol http please help me ! ! !
[18:57] <stdin> Tecumseh: didn't think it would, try with emerald instead. make a script in ~/bin (or somewhere) with something like "compiz --replace & emerald --replace &", set it +x then set KDEWM to that script. that should stop kde-window-decorator from starting
[18:58] <Tecumseh> didn't have emerald installed yet, trying with it first
[18:58] <Jay-Oh-En> how come i get this error when trying to get updates There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[18:58] <expo> server irc.azzurra.net
[18:59] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: could be a number of reasons, only way to tell is to use apt-get and look at the messages
[19:00] <Jay-Oh-En> ok stdin
[19:00] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: and if you want to show us the error messages, use the pastebin (link in topic) rather than flooding the channel :)
[19:01] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[19:02] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: it was a problem with Configuration file `/etc/qt3/qt_plugins_3.3rc'
[19:02]  * jussio1 wonders what hardware Tecumseh is running...
[19:03] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: try posting the whole log from "sudo dpkg --configure -a" to pastebin
[19:03] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: ok :]
[19:03] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: i did this sudo dpkg --configure -a and nothing happend
[19:04] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: hmm, ok, post "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" to pastebin
[19:04] <Jay-Oh-En> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[19:05] <Jay-Oh-En> i guess im good right?
[19:05] <stdin> looks fine
[19:05] <stdin> ok, try adept then
[19:05] <Jay-Oh-En> ok kool thanks stdin
[19:05] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: how do i make programs not use kdewallet
[19:06] <debian> Hello
[19:06] <debian> Is kubuntu compatible with wpa and vpn? Would knetworkmanager do the job?
[19:07] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: you'd have to disable kwallet all together as far as I know. press Alt-F2 and put in "kcontrol". then go to Security & Privacy -> KDE Wallet and un-check "Enable the KDE wallet subsystem"
[19:08] <ScorpKing> !wpa
[19:08] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[19:08] <stdin> debian: I'm pretty sure it can do vpn just fine, but for wpa you need to install and setup wpa-suplicant
[19:09] <stdin> or whatever it's called...
[19:09] <Tecumseh> jussio1: searching for the specs, at least it's a amd 64-bits dual 4000+
[19:09] <jussio1> Tecumseh: which gfx card?
[19:10] <hagabaka> hmm
[19:10] <debian> ok
[19:10] <hagabaka> so when I disable a restricted driver, it really means removing its package?
[19:11] <debian> Editing conf files or grapichal?
[19:12] <stdin> debian: I don't know, I've never used it. but it's explained in those wifi docs
[19:12] <debian> Ok
[19:12] <debian> Hope wpa is easy
[19:13] <BluesKaj> hagabaka, no it's not removed , just not used
[19:13] <debian> My school has a natzi policy against linux. So I'm just going to use it.
[19:13] <Dragonath> mm, tried running age of mythology with wine, AoM got some error, so wine closed but now my resolution is something in the lines of 800x600 instead of 1280x1024
[19:13] <Tecumseh> jussio1: onboard NVIDIA GeForce 6100 with shared memory
[19:13] <Dragonath> how to get it back?
[19:14] <stdin> Dragonath: logging out and back in should restore it
[19:15] <Dragonath> any other easier way that doesn't involve logging out?
[19:15] <Dragonath> it sounds kind of crude :P
[19:17] <stdin> Dragonath: you can _try_ just switching displays (Ctrl-Alt-F1, then Ctrl-F7), but that' may or may not work
[19:17] <jussio1> Tecumseh: so what exactly happens when it crashes? does it just loose your window borders?
[19:17] <Dragonath> well I tried that and it didn't, logging off and on again then, thanks
[19:17] <Jay-Oh-En> What's better WPA or WEP
[19:18] <stdin> wpa is more secure, but it depends what you mean by "better"
[19:18] <Yorokobi> Jay-Oh-En, WEP is easily broken. WPA is better for security but requires more overhead
[19:18] <Tecumseh> jussio1: It loses windows borders, storage media is not mountable (dvd's, usb flashdrive's, etc) and the panel is unreadable (scrambled somehow) for a while
[19:18] <jussio1> Tecumseh: have you tried sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[19:19] <Tecumseh> yep,,,
[19:19] <jussio1> ok
[19:19] <jussio1> Tecumseh: Im at a loss then
[19:19] <Tecumseh> me 2
[19:19] <Jay-Oh-En> Thanks for the answers :] i was looking for More security towards my Winblows xp computer (it's my dads)
[19:20] <Tecumseh> and I was thinking that linux in general was ready for the big masses, not that I'm counting myself to the masses anymore.
[19:20] <Jay-Oh-En> so people can't hack in and get passwords and stuff like that
[19:20] <Jay-Oh-En> or use my internet connection
[19:21] <jussio1> Tecumseh: can you paste your xorg.conf?
[19:21] <Yorokobi> Jay-Oh-En, IMHO, use WPA, disable SSID broadcasting, and use your wifi router's MAC filter
[19:21] <Tecumseh> sure, just a sec
[19:23] <Jay-Oh-En> Yorokobi: maybe you can get me a guide for a wgr614v5 netgear router?
[19:23] <Tecumseh> jussio1: Here it is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45140/
[19:23] <Zombocom> where's the irc for kubuntu support, is this it?
[19:23] <Zombocom> I'm in windows so I can't connect
[19:24] <jpatrick> you just did...
[19:24] <Zombocom> this is it?
[19:24] <jpatrick> yep
[19:24] <Zombocom> ok, Xserver doesn't initialize
[19:24] <jussio1> Tecumseh: If I see correctly, your problem is that you are running the nv driver instead of the nvidia one
[19:24] <Yorokobi> Jay-Oh-En, http://kbserver.netgear.com/products/wgr614v5.asp
[19:25] <Jay-Oh-En> Thanks Yorokobi :]
[19:25] <jussio1> Zombocom: we could use a little more info if we are to help you...
[19:25] <Zombocom> I get to the logon screen in the command prompt thing and the screen  flashes, but then it goes back into the command prompt
[19:25] <jussio1> Zombocom: which version of kubuntu, which gfx card?
[19:26] <Zombocom> I'm using an hp pavillion dv 6433 with an intel graphics media accelerator 950
[19:26] <jpatrick> Zombocom: can you give us a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:26] <Zombocom> jussio1: kubuntu 7.10
[19:26] <jussio1> Tecumseh: oh, wait, i did see incorrectly... lol
[19:26] <Zombocom> jpatrick: I'm in windows which doesn't have ext2 drivers
[19:27] <Tecumseh> jussio1: I did enable the restricted drivers
[19:27] <jussio1> Zombocom: cant you install the ext2 driver?
[19:27] <jpatrick> Zombocom: http://www.fs-driver.org/
[19:31] <Zombocom> jpatrick: that program appears not to run in windows vista which is what I'm running right now
[19:31] <jpatrick> Zombocom: drat
[19:32] <Alonea> what do you do when you get NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED when trying to add a windows network printer?
[19:32] <Zombocom> jpatrick: I just tricked it
[19:32] <jpatrick> excellent
[19:32] <Zombocom> jpatrick: it works now
[19:32] <Alonea> I had it all set up before, but when I installed the new kubuntu I lost all those settings.
[19:34] <Zombocom> jpatrick: it has been installed
[19:34] <jpatrick> Zombocom: kubuntu should be in my computer now
[19:34] <Zombocom> jpatrick: the drive isn't showing up though
[19:34] <jpatrick> Zombocom: the dreaded restart?
[19:34] <Zombocom> probably
[19:34] <Zombocom> damnit
[19:35] <Zombocom> would it be easyer to reinstall kubuntu?
[19:35] <Zombocom> brb, restarting
[19:35] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, if you can still use the Linux terminals, install irssi and use that for IRC and links2 to browse :) Who needs a gui? hehe
[19:36] <Alonea> ah, nevermind. I found the trick where you go back, choose guest, then go forward and it will work
[19:37] <alexbe01__> Yorokobi: everyone living in the current millenium :P
[19:42] <Zombocom> ok back
[19:42] <Zombocom> someone said something about a terminal before I left?
[19:42] <stdin> "<Yorokobi> Zombocom, if you can still use the Linux terminals, install irssi and use that for IRC and links2 to browse :) Who needs a gui? hehe"
[19:43] <Zombocom> lol
[19:43] <Zombocom> ok I have to go, but I need help with this later
[19:43] <Zombocom> I heavily prefer linux
[19:43] <MsK`> ih
[19:43] <MsK`> hi
[19:43] <MsK`> I don't have any sound output in xmame, "no sound mixer plugin available" it says :/
[19:44] <mobile> Anybody else get a handg on 'local scripts' when they boot Gutsy?
[19:44] <Ace2016> Hi all
[19:44] <Ace2016> does anyone here play glest?
[19:44] <Ace2016> i just saw it on ubuntu and it looks totally awesome
[19:44] <Ace2016> i mean digg.com
[19:45] <mobile> What's glest?
[19:45] <Ace2016> http://linuxgames07.blogspot.com/2007/11/top-ubuntu-linux-games.html
[19:45] <Ace2016> its no 7 in the lis
[19:45] <Ace2016> list*
[19:45] <Ace2016> watch the video
[19:45] <mobile> Checking
[19:45] <kaboom> Hello
[19:46] <hagabaka> does anyone use compiz-fusion and have the issue that after you scroll mousewheel on KDE task bar, you can't use zooming with Super+Wheel?
[19:47] <mobile> The drift game looks awesome
[19:47] <mobile> I only have flightgear right now
[19:47] <Don_jr2> Does Kubuntu have korean language capabilities?
[19:48] <jussio1> !ko | Don_jr2
[19:48] <ubotu> Don_jr2: For Korean help, /join #ubuntu-ko
[19:48] <Don_jr2> I speak english, I just wanted to know if it supported the language or not
[19:49] <Don_jr2> I"m doing some java programming and the korean symbols don't show up right on the box I"M using
[19:49] <Don_jr2> I'll go ask there if they speak english
[19:49] <Don_jr2> thanks
[19:57] <Evelyn> Anybody from Venezuela?
[19:57] <jpatrick> !ve
[19:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ve - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:00] <Duo> I have a question regarding a hung upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10. My Dist upgrade is hung at "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-14-generic"...
[20:00] <Duo> seems sorta like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/157907
[20:00] <Ace2016> i was just reading about Venezuela and the OPEC oil trade in us dollars
[20:00] <Duo> but, It has not progessed, any way to recover from this?
[20:02] <Downix> Ace2016: Aren't they dropping the US $ for the EU due to runaway inflation?
[20:02] <ardchoille> !ot
[20:02] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[20:03]  * Duo sighs
[20:07] <X314> if I want to boot gutsy without usplash, how do I do that?
[20:07] <nuutti> can someone help me,i don't know how to auth..
[20:07] <nuutti> i'm just started to use ubuntu
[20:08] <Ace2016> they were complaining about the dropping value of their us $ reserves, they wanted a more stable hard currency like the euro, but the us supporters like saudi arabia kept trying to move talks to other topics and stop them talking about the dollar
[20:09] <kaboom> @X314: Use Startup-Manager to edit the menu-lst comfortable and with a decent GUI
[20:09] <ScorpKing> !ot
[20:09] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[20:09] <ScorpKing> :D
[20:09] <Drew3> I have 3 Kub install-live disks 2 cd's and a dvd,  all three have the first screen jumping around so a to be unreadable,  where do I go from here? I insert the CD/dvd/s and get a unreadable greeting upon startup.
[20:10] <kaboom> @X314: http://web.telia.com/~u88005282/sum/index.html
[20:11] <X314> kaboom okay. cheers.
[20:11] <BluesKaj> heh Ace2016, a woman in saudi arabia was raped , but cuz she was alone without a male adult relative she was sentenced to 200 lashes for being out alone ...nothing was mentioned about the rapist's sentence
[20:11] <foenig> hi@all ... after running a dosbox session my audio system is "crap" - the sound is "chappellike" with one channel in the back and a very bad sound ... on which parameters shall i start to get my "good" sound back?
[20:12] <Ace2016> thats religion isn't it? or is it the law in the country? or is it one of the countries which makes its laws based on religion?
[20:13] <Downix> BluesKaj: What sentance?  Men are not punished for rape in saudi arabia
[20:13] <BluesKaj> no it's not Islam ,it's the backward arabic tradition
[20:13] <Downix> BluesKaj: Not Arabic tradition (which would have stoned the man for it) but Wahabiist tradition.
[20:13] <nuutti> someone knows how to auth with konversation?
[20:13] <SudoKing> authenticate?
[20:13] <ScorpKing> if i run ps2pdf i get - Segmentation fault (core dumped). konqueror also don't want to print that document to pdf but the same ps and html file display without problems. how can i figure out what's wrong?
[20:13] <nuutti> yes
[20:14] <SudoKing> what do you mean?
[20:14] <BluesKaj> the traditions they attribute to Islam , predate mohammed by a couple thousand yrs
[20:14] <ScorpKing> hiya SudoKing. ;)
[20:14] <SudoKing> hi
[20:14] <nuutti> authentication..
[20:14] <nuutti> sry my bad english
[20:14] <Downix> BluesKaj: Quite right.  But again, not Arabic.
[20:14] <SudoKing> Please don't tell me to set my resolution any higer
[20:14] <SudoKing> higher*
[20:14] <SudoKing> It crashed my X Server, and I had to reinstall Kubuntu
[20:15] <Downix> BluesKaj: Arab is a particular group within the Arabian area, along with Bedowin and other groups.
[20:15] <BluesKaj> ok, Downix i stand corrected , i'll withdraw the arabic ident
[20:16] <Downix> BluesKaj: But I do get what you mean.
[20:17] <X314> can I boot in "safe graphics mode" with grub?
[20:17] <ScorpKing> SudoKing: next time make a backup of /etc/X11/xorg.conf before you play with resolutions
[20:17] <SudoKing> lol
[20:17] <SudoKing> Scorp, it wouldn't even show the login screen or start KDM
[20:17] <BluesKaj> Downix, my wife's aunt's drivers licence wasn't recognized in Riadh... the car rental co wouldn't rent her a vehicle without her husband
[20:17] <ScorpKing> X314: press <ESC> at boot and select the second option
[20:18] <ScorpKing> SudoKing: that can be fixed without reinstalling. ;)
[20:18] <BluesKaj> anyway enuff offtopic
[20:18] <X314> ScorpKing I dont think that is right.. but I shall try.
[20:18] <SudoKing> tell me more
[20:19] <ardchoille> SudoKing: You could have used the livecd, mounted your installed system, and edited xorg.conf from the livecd
[20:19]  * ScorpKing agree..
[20:19] <ScorpKing> or from tty1
[20:19] <ardchoille> The livecd is good for more than just installing the system
[20:19] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: True that
[20:20] <ScorpKing> ardchoille: it's easier to test that way.
[20:20] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: This is why I tell people to go ahead and learn cli rather than being afraid of it
[20:20] <ScorpKing> yep
[20:21] <ardchoille> There are weeks at a time that I log into tty1 and don't even run xorg.. screen ROCKS!
[20:21] <ScorpKing> i love screen. works well on servers where the connection is lost all the time. :D
[20:21] <ardchoille> Yeah
[20:22] <ardchoille> screen, irssi, elinks, wget, mutt, ssh, bash, midnight commander, etc :)
[20:23] <BluesKaj> ok, screen ? cli app ?
[20:23] <ardchoille> !info screen
[20:23] <ubotu> screen: a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0.3-0.4ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 574 kB, installed size 984 kB
[20:26] <SudoKing> Is there a way to use variables and such like Konversations DBUG and BUG commands in Auto Replace?
[20:26] <ardchoille> SudoKing: You mean in bash?
[20:27] <SudoKing> bash?
[20:27] <ardchoille> SudoKing: Where are you wanting to use these variables?
[20:27] <ardchoille> Oh, in konversation?
[20:27] <SudoKing> Like to produce a link or to type a quick command instead of having to type /cs command and such
[20:28] <SudoKing> like to type !pass password to quickly change my password?
[20:28] <ardchoille> No idea in konversation
[20:28] <SudoKing> hmph
[20:28] <_darkKnight_> why my hda disk changed to sda disk after upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10??
[20:29] <martijn81> i have a hp laserjet 1022nw with wireless, how do i setup this printer under kubuntu?
[20:30] <ardchoille> !printer
[20:30] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[20:32] <martijn81> ardchoille: but can it work like a networkprinter@wireless?
[20:32] <rothchild> hi, what's a good way of finding duplicate files? My 'digital life' is a mess!
[20:32] <ardchoille> martijn81: I don't know, I've never had a printer
[20:33] <martijn81> :(
[20:33] <ardchoille> !info kleansweep | rothchild
[20:33] <ubotu> rothchild: kleansweep: File cleaner for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.8-0ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 137 kB, installed size 456 kB
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> !konsole
[20:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konsole - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:33] <MilitantPotato> !terminal
[20:33] <ardchoille> rothchild: iirc, that has tons of features.
[20:33] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[20:34] <rothchild> thanks ardchoille
[20:34] <ardchoille> yw
[20:34] <MilitantPotato> anyone know offhand how to clear the history in terminal?
[20:36] <Dresken> Does anyone have any idea how to resolve this hal issue when trying to mount an NTFS HDD?
[20:37] <ScorpKing> Dresken: what is the full error you get?
[20:37] <ScorpKing> MilitantPotato: rm .bash_history
[20:37] <Dresken> hal-storage-removable-all-options refused uid 1000
[20:37] <MilitantPotato> ScorpKing: thanks
[20:37] <ScorpKing> yw
[20:38] <martijn81> ardchoille: shame those guides are for ubuntu and not for kubuntu
[20:38] <BluesKaj> I like the bash histrory , sometimes it saves having to repeat some commands :)
[20:38] <sparr_w> after upgrade to gutsy i have printing problems.  i have added my printer anew, and when i print the test page (successfully) i get the following in my cups logs, no other apps will print at all, they seem to work but nothing comes out of the printer.  http://rafb.net/p/4KJ4J869.html
[20:38] <ardchoille> BluesKaj: Yeah, and thank goodness for grep :)
[20:40] <ardchoille> Wow, had no idea man bash was huge
[20:41] <rothchild> ardchoille, just the job! Bit fiddly but perfectly useable TA
[20:41] <ScorpKing> Dresken: is there an entry in /etc/fstab for that drive?
[20:42] <Dresken> No idea, how do I check? lol
[20:42] <Aaron_S> Okay, I think my instlation froze on me, how do I end the process?
[20:42] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: You can clear bash history from the terminal with: history -c
[20:42] <ScorpKing> Dresken: it looks like a bug btw - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/110210
[20:42] <ScorpKing> Dresken: kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[20:43] <MilitantPotato> ardchoille: I edited the .bash_history and removed the offending commands, but thanks for the command, It will come in usefull
[20:43] <Dresken> Well this only happened after I re-installed Kubuntu
[20:44] <icheyne> hi all - the Start Daemon link doesn't work any more at "strigi:/". I tried to start strigidaemon at the command line but I got an error:  terminate called after throwing an instance of 'CLuceneError' <br> Aborted (core dumped)
[20:44] <icheyne> any clues?
[20:44] <Dresken> ScorpKing: No I don't see anything about the HDD in that file
[20:44] <Dresken> Want me to paste you the content of the file?
[20:45] <ScorpKing> please - to pastbin
[20:45] <Dresken> How do I do it without flooding the channel again? lol
[20:45] <ardchoille> MilitantPotato: If you edit .bash_history manually to delete all lines while bash is running, then those lines will be replaced when you exit bash.. forcing you to do it again.
[20:45] <philipp_> hi kubuntu-guys
[20:46] <ardchoille> hi philipp_
[20:46] <soon> where can I get support about a reg exp?
[20:46] <ardchoille> !pastebin | Dresken
[20:46] <ubotu> Dresken: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:46] <soon> any channel you can suggest
[20:46] <ardchoille> soon: #bash  ?
[20:46] <ardchoille> Just a guess
[20:46] <soon> I'll try it
[20:47] <Dresken> ScorpKing: http://rafb.net/p/UYA0Wn69.html
[20:47] <philipp_> /nick fips
[20:47] <ScorpKing> MilitantPotato: sudo su and then edit the history file ;)
[20:47] <MilitantPotato> ardchoille: i did & disown
[20:47] <MilitantPotato> will that work?
[20:47] <ardchoille> ni idea
[20:47] <MilitantPotato> Dresken: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=601210&highlight=hal+storage+removable+all+options+refused+uid
[20:47] <philipp_> hjztuk
[20:48] <MilitantPotato> i'll see if it replaced the text
[20:48] <ScorpKing> Dresken: yeah, it's not in there.
[20:49] <MilitantPotato> & disowned worked
[20:49] <MilitantPotato> disown*
[20:49] <Dresken> Well that post only shows work arounds and to add or remove something from an unknown file <_<
[20:50] <MilitantPotato> Dresken: why is your floppy on auto mount?
[20:51] <MilitantPotato> /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
[20:51] <MilitantPotato> wait I'm nuts.
[20:51] <Dresken> No idea <_<
[20:51]  * MilitantPotato goes to get his coffee
[20:52] <ardchoille> Where is my kernel? Is it the vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-generic file in /boot? If so, what is the vmlinuz file in /  ?
[20:53] <stdin> ardchoille: the one in / is a link to the one in /boot (normally)
[20:53] <ardchoille> stdin: Ah, so it is
[20:54] <Dresken> Still no idea how to fix this, anyone? <_<
[20:54] <ScorpKing> Dresken: sorry but i don't see a solution. maybe mount it manually and if it works add an entry in fstab
[20:55] <Dresken> What entery exactly?
[20:55] <ScorpKing> !ntfs
[20:55] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE
[20:55] <ScorpKing> Dresken: that should help ^
[20:58] <Tester> http://rincondechrist.blogspot.com/
[20:58] <Tester> http://rincondechrist.blogspot.com/
[20:59] <ardchoille> I should packet that
[20:59] <ardchoille> spammer
[21:02] <MilitantPotato> Dresken: try unchecking "mount as user"
[21:04] <MilitantPotato> -ops
[21:04] <MilitantPotato> X(
[21:10] <enrico_> ciao a tutti
[21:11] <enrico_> qualcuno mi da una mano su linux?
[21:11] <ardchoille> !it | enrico_
[21:11] <ubotu> enrico_: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[21:11] <enrico_> ok
[21:14] <A-L-A-R-M> hello, when trying to install kubuntu i get the display server has been shut down about 6 times in 90 sec
[21:14] <A-L-A-R-M> i suppose it has to do with the ati drivers
[21:14] <A-L-A-R-M> is there a way to continue the installation with vesa or something ?
[21:14] <Backie> I am running ati gfx cards, you doing the simple one or the advance?
[21:15] <A-L-A-R-M> well , i will choose the one that could help me actually
[21:15] <A-L-A-R-M> thats why i am asking
[21:16] <Backie> I used advanced it installed perfect
[21:16] <Backie> The normal is just a nasty ass installer
[21:17] <Backie> The grub-install won't work no matter what I did
[21:18] <pass> how do i manipulate daemons from command line, see what daemon are running now, configure new/existing daemons. (looking for a tools similar to svcadm on solaris)
[21:18] <Quel> hi there.. does anybody know, if it's possible to install MS Office 2007 in kubuntu 7.02?
[21:18] <MilitantPotato> !xorg | A-L-A-R-M:
[21:18] <ubotu> A-L-A-R-M:: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[21:18] <MilitantPotato> hmm
[21:19] <MilitantPotato> that's not it.
[21:19] <MilitantPotato> !display
[21:19] <lusepuster> Hi folks - I have this pproblem w Kopete and webcam: It shows fine, but it lags terribly, like minutes, behind when coming from the other end. Known problem, known solution?
[21:20] <waylandbill> when choosing to select an icon for a file, why is only Applications and Filesystems have icons? do the other categories get installed by a different package?
[21:20] <MilitantPotato> !factoids
[21:20] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[21:20] <[ka]killer> humm
[21:20] <Yorokobi> pass, Gutsy supports the Redhat service <servicename> <option> style of daemon control as well as SysV /etc/init.d/<service> <option>
[21:20] <[ka]killer> im having a problem with firefox
[21:20] <SudoKing> what's the problem?
[21:21] <[ka]killer> it locked up, so i restarted X (ctrl-alt-backspace) and now the process for firefox (firefox-bin) starts, but the app itself does not open
[21:21] <SudoKing> oh
[21:21] <SudoKing> any error messages?
[21:21] <[ka]killer> nope
[21:21] <[ka]killer> it just does not open
[21:21] <SudoKing> that's odd
[21:21] <[ka]killer> yah, thats why i came here
[21:21] <Backie> Have you checked to see if the frist process of firefox is still running?
[21:21] <[ka]killer> if it was normal i would have fixed it =P
[21:22] <MilitantPotato> !xconfig | A-L-A-R-M
[21:22] <ubotu> A-L-A-R-M: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg » - To configure only the driver and resolution, type « sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh » - See also !FixRes
[21:22] <[ka]killer> backie: sudo killall -9 firefox-bin
[21:22] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: then select VESA video drivers.
[21:22] <SudoKing> !FixRes
[21:22] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[21:23] <Backie> I think firefox runs more than just firefox-bin
[21:23] <SudoKing> yea it does
[21:23] <SudoKing> let me check
[21:23] <[ka]killer> that i know of it runs firefox and firefox-bin
[21:23]  * SudoKing opens KSysGuard
[21:23] <[ka]killer> ctrl+esc =P
[21:24] <SudoKing> Ok, so it says that there is a process called firefox-bin and just one called firefox
[21:24] <[ka]killer> yup
[21:24] <SudoKing> maybe firefox is the actual visual?
[21:24] <[ka]killer> both get killed when you kill firefox-bin
[21:24] <sn00zer> why is there a AMD and Intel cpu temp on this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45152/
[21:24] <SudoKing> Then I don't know what the problem is...
[21:24] <[ka]killer> i dont know -_-
[21:26] <Quel> hi there.. does anybody know, if it's possible to install MS Office 2007 in kubuntu 7.02?
[21:26] <MilitantPotato> firefox-bin is the main APP AFAIK
[21:26] <MilitantPotato> killing firefox leaves firefox-bin running
[21:26] <SudoKing> but "firefox" is the only one with the icon beside it...
[21:28] <MilitantPotato> Quel: Not sure, check the WineHQ app database
[21:28] <A-L-A-R-M> MilitantPotato,  thats all fine what you say and i know about those things. but how to reconfigure xorg if the system is not installed yet
[21:28] <A-L-A-R-M> i get the  display server has been shut down about 6 times in 90 sec error during the installation
[21:28] <MilitantPotato> Quel: Why not use Open Office?
[21:29] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: after the Kubuntu loading screen disapears?
[21:29] <blizzzek> bye
[21:29] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: the one with the progress bar
[21:29] <A-L-A-R-M> okie
[21:29] <[ka]killer> well a full restart did it
[21:29] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: i'm asking
[21:29] <A-L-A-R-M> its crashing
[21:29] <ScorpKing> Quel: i don't think so. google for MS Office 2007 on linux. or just use openoffice
[21:29] <[ka]killer> use openoffice or koffice
[21:30] <A-L-A-R-M> before getting to kde not even once
[21:30] <Backie> Is there a default root passwd or something?
[21:30] <ScorpKing> !sudo
[21:30] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[21:30] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: one scond
[21:30] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: does it crash after loading linux in the grub menu?
[21:30] <A-L-A-R-M> INSTALLATION
[21:31] <MilitantPotato> ah, live CD?
[21:31] <A-L-A-R-M> how on earth should grub exist if i couldnt even manage to start the installation
[21:31] <MilitantPotato> Sorry, I had the alternate stuck in my head.
[21:31] <Backie> ScorpKing, I know what sudo is I know what su is, and I know when I installed I never got asked for a root passwd so anyone know what it is
[21:31] <Quel> ScorpKing: thanks.. there is the problem with *.pptx Microsoft is not interested in ISO Formates... *g*
[21:31] <A-L-A-R-M> dude i know how to handle xorg on an installed system
[21:31] <A-L-A-R-M> thats why i asked if i can start an installation with vesa
[21:32] <MilitantPotato> Sorry :)
[21:32] <MilitantPotato> let me find the command
[21:32] <Quel> ScorpKing: you cant convert ist 1 by 1 for OpenOffice compatible... ^^
[21:32] <ScorpKing> Backie: there is no root password in *ubuntu for security reasons. if you have to you can set one but it's not recommended
[21:34] <ScorpKing> Quel: yeah, MS always makes it difficult.
[21:34] <Backie> ScorpKing, For security reason is the reason most *nix make you have a passwd on your root acct
[21:36] <Quel> ScorpKing: Thats the point.. I have kubunto on my laptop.. the presentation is in *.pptx format... that sucks! We have to change something before presentation.. and if its ppt and not pptx i think i'll not be able to change some stuff there... Holy Crap, Microsoft sucks -.-
[21:36] <ardchoille> Backie: The root account is disabled, that's why you were never prompted for a password for root
[21:36] <ScorpKing> Backie: if someone want's to get into your system they will go for the root account first but if there is no password on it they will have to look for another account with sudo privs which make it more difficult for them. go to tty1 and try to log in as root.
[21:36] <ibert> Hi. Just switched to gutsy and Having Problems with Xorg/VT: there are no VT's. just blakn screens with blinking "_". Thi problems persists with nv and nvidia driver....anybody got a hint?
[21:36] <nikos> hello
[21:37] <Backie> If someone is trying to hack me they prolly use an expoilt which would create a shell with root permisson not try and login as root
[21:37] <ardchoille> Backie: That is why we keep our systems fully up-to-date
[21:38] <Backie> ardchoille, lol like thats gonna make sure you never get owned
[21:38] <ScorpKing> Backie: oh well. if you have to then run sudo su and type passwd
[21:38] <Quel> i got my root password... like ScorpKing said :D
[21:38] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: Please do not teach others how to enable root, it's not recommended, it's unsafe and not at all necessary.
[21:39] <Backie> I just think its retarded to have the passwd for total control of your machine the same as your normal acct
[21:39] <Quel> ardchoille can i disable my root password again? :D
[21:39]  * ScorpKing will remember that..
[21:39] <ardchoille> !sudo | Quel
[21:39] <ubotu> Quel: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[21:39] <Quel> ardchoille you are scarriing me :D
[21:39] <Backie> Quel edit the passwd and change the shell to noshell, that should do it
[21:39] <ardchoille> Quel: Visit that web page to learn how to disable the root account
[21:40] <Quel> ardchoille thank you!
[21:40] <ardchoille> People who play with the root account are the same folks who come in here asking for help about how to fix the problems they caused by enabling root.
[21:40] <nikos> i need help ,  i have install the MS$ game on my Kubuntu and it make link on my Desktop , but when i need to play i open a terminal (  wine wow.exe -opengl ) , how i can fix the auto link on my desktop with this pack ( -opengl )
[21:41] <nikos> pach**
[21:42] <MilitantPotato> A-L-A-R-M: When the boot menu comes up (where it says Run / Install Ubuntu), hit SAFE GRAPHICS MODE
[21:43] <sourcemaker> Is it possible to run the SAP GUI (Windows) under Wine in Kubuntu?
[21:43] <A-L-A-R-M> okie
[21:43] <Quel> yay.. easier than i thougt: sudo passwd -l root
[21:44] <xevious> sourcemaker: seems like it should work, but i've never had an opportunity to try it
[21:44] <xevious> sourcemaker: it's just a database app... nothing too intense
[21:44] <sourcemaker> xevious: thanks
[21:45] <ardchoille> Quel: :)  And that's the way it should be
[21:45] <sourcemaker> xevious: I know the java version... but this does not work very well (memory leaks) ;-)
[21:45] <Quel> ardchoille: yay - i am a hero *g*
[21:45] <ardchoille> :)
[21:46] <Quel> am i a unix professional now? :D
[21:46] <ardchoille> hehe
[21:46] <Quel> - just kidding
[21:46] <Quel> :)
[21:46] <ardchoille> Quel: I've been using Linux since 2001, have installed it on over 200 machines which I also support.. and I'm not even a pro yet.
[21:47] <MilitantPotat1> .
[21:47] <Quel> ardchoille: i installed Debian, kanotix, Kubuntu... yah about 5 times (totally).. i think i got it out *g*
[21:47] <Quel> ardchoille: Sooo... your dialog with Backie was VERY Interesting to read (for me), but i have to go to bed now :)
[21:48] <Backie> quel what he posted it aswell?
[21:48] <Quel> ardchoille: i am in IRC just to read those interesting topics! :)
[21:48] <Quel> Backie: just your dialog about Exploits over there
[21:49] <Quel> Backie: I think its important for security to know, how people would do something. I am learing java at school and i can do my "job" better if i know more about everything :)
[21:50] <Backie> Quel, http://pastebin.com/m2fc2a197
[21:50] <Zombocom> !xorg
[21:50] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[21:50] <Backie> He couldn;t agrue with the fact having the same passwd for super user stuff as your normal login was retarded
[21:50] <Backie> They even teach you that when you do the basic microsoft exams
[21:50] <Pollywog> something in Gutsy keeps changing my nameservers.  I do not have resolvconf installed so that is not it
[21:51] <Quel> Backie: <ardchoil.le> If you have to enable root, then you don't know what you are doing. --> I dont know what I'm doing.. hes right :)
[21:52] <Backie> I am not saying enable it I am just saying change the fucking passwd
[21:52] <Zombocom> I need help, the xserver doesn't start, I'm running an HP pavillion dv6433 with an intel graphics media accellerator 950
[21:52] <stdin> Backie: watch the language
[21:52] <Pollywog> !ohmy
[21:52] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:52] <Zombocom> it used to, but now it won't
[21:52] <ardchoille> Please take the sudo/root argument to another channel. When in this channel, please stick with the recommended methods.
[21:52] <Quel> Backie: I dont know... I am just a rookie :) I am just a student and i want to be a good guy in future :)
[21:53] <Zombocom> can anyone help me?
[21:53] <stdin> ardchoille: too polite :p s/please //
[21:53] <Backie> Pollywog, what you mean changing your name servers?
[21:53] <Pollywog> something keeps changing the contents of resolv.conf
[21:53] <ardchoille> stdin: :)
[21:53] <Quel> ardchoille: sorry.. just wanted to say that and than go to bed. I can learn lots of things out of dialoges :)
[21:53] <Pollywog> I know resolvconf package does it but I do not have that installed
[21:53] <Yorokobi> Pollywog, knetworkmanager will do that when you switch between networks
[21:53] <A-L-A-R-M> are there no boot options for the installation ? something like debian for example ?
[21:54] <Zombocom> hello?
[21:54] <A-L-A-R-M> start an installation with a lower resolution or vesa ?
[21:54] <Pollywog> Yorokobi: I suspected it, what if I remove it?
[21:54] <Quel> ardchoille: that makes me happy! So good night everybody! :)
[21:54] <stdin> Pollywog: when you get a dhcp reply you get send a DNS server address, that get's written into resolv.conf
[21:54] <Zombocom> A-L-A-R-M: were you talking to me?
[21:54] <Pollywog> stdin: oic
[21:54] <Zombocom> A-L-A-R-M: if so how?
[21:54] <Yorokobi> Pollywog, you can configure the DHCP client to use specific DNS servers
[21:55] <Pollywog> and if I remove the kde network manager?
[21:55] <Pollywog> k
[21:55] <Pollywog> ty
[21:56] <Zombocom> I need help, the xserver doesn't start, I'm running an HP pavillion dv6433 with an intel graphics media accellerator 950
[21:56] <Zombocom> it used to run fine untill today
[21:57] <Pollywog> I have 127.0.0.1 in kde's network manager as my nameserver, but it still gets changed in resolv.conf
[21:57] <Backie> Well peeps I am away to wipe kubuntu for bsd cause it ain't as good as people say
[21:57] <Pollywog> Feisty did not do this
[21:57] <Zombocom> all these people and no one to help me?
[21:58] <pietjephuck> Backie: freebsd is nice, I have never tried it on a desktop though
[21:58] <Backie> I am gonna go with netbsd
[21:58] <MilitantPotat1> A-L-A-R-M: Choose safe graphics mode
[21:58] <Backie> I got openbsd on this one
[21:58] <pietjephuck> Netsbd is still aliave?
[21:58] <Pollywog> Zombocom: what are the errorr?
[21:58] <Pollywog> errors
[21:58] <Backie> pietjephuck, Yeah and it more stable than fbsd
[21:58] <Zombocom> Pollywog: no error
[21:59] <ardchoille> People are currently trying to get assistance. Please take the off-topic chatter to another channel.
[21:59] <A-L-A-R-M> okie, although i asked for something else
[21:59] <pietjephuck> Do you run a desktop manager
[21:59] <Zombocom> Pollywog: screen flashes then it makes me do a terminal login
[21:59] <Pollywog> Zombocom: no errors when you use startx command?
[21:59] <Zombocom> startx?
[21:59] <Zombocom> ok what's a terminal irc program
[21:59] <Zombocom> so I can communicate in there
[21:59] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, irssi
[21:59] <A-L-A-R-M> Zombocom,  bitch
[21:59] <Pollywog> Zombocom: yes startx in a console
[21:59] <A-L-A-R-M> irssi
[21:59] <Backie> BitchX
[21:59] <ScorpKing> bitchx
[21:59] <ScorpKing> lol
[22:00] <Pollywog> it will give clues as to why X is not starting
[22:00] <A-L-A-R-M> a bitch works always better...
[22:00] <Zombocom> A-L-A-R-M I thought you were calling me a bitch
[22:00] <Backie> When it comes to console ircing BitchX rulez them all
[22:00] <Pollywog> but you need to have a .xinitrc
[22:00] <A-L-A-R-M> not really, but there is always one. even in linux
[22:00] <Zombocom> one that doesn't need any xserver stuff
[22:00] <Zombocom> so I can communicate even if everything is bad
[22:00] <TimS> Everytime I close do3phin i get the XML bookmark error, how do I fix this
[22:01] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, irssi. bitch doesn't hold a candle to irssi
[22:01] <Zombocom> k
[22:01] <Zombocom> I'll be bacck in a little bit on irssi
[22:01] <ardchoille> TimS: Check the permissions on the bookmark file and change as needed.
[22:01] <Yorokobi> irssi + screen = excellent IRC times :)
[22:01] <A-L-A-R-M> screen ? i remember i onced used that but what was this command doing ? setting it to backround ?
[22:02] <stdin> !screen
[22:02] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[22:02] <ardchoille> A-L-A-R-M: maybe the "jobs" command?
[22:02] <A-L-A-R-M> dont know
[22:02] <MilitantPotat1> are Gdesklets meant for gnome?
[22:02] <ardchoille> MilitantPotat1: Yes, kde has superkaramba
[22:03] <A-L-A-R-M> ai ai ai karamba
[22:04] <Pollywog> k I think I fixed the resolv.conf problem thanks for the clues
[22:04] <MilitantPotat1> ardchoille: do the widgets need to be KDE specific?
[22:04] <rob____> hello
[22:04] <stdin> MilitantPotat1: no, they just are written in superkaramba's script language
[22:04] <ardchoille> MilitantPotat1: For superkaramba?
[22:04] <Zombocom> hey
[22:04] <Zombocom> I'm in kubuntu now
[22:05] <Zombocom> what do you guys need
[22:05] <Zombocom> xserver still hasn't started
[22:05] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, run startx from the command-line
[22:05] <MilitantPotato> I'm just trying to get a system monitor that shows HDDtemp readouts
[22:05] <MilitantPotato> ksensors doesn't seem to
[22:05] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, when X starts, then dies, you should have the error on screen
[22:05] <Zombocom> kk
[22:05] <Zombocom> I got it
[22:05] <Zombocom> fatal IO error 104
[22:06] <Pollywog> Zombocom you might need to make a ~/.xinitrc file
[22:06] <Zombocom> pollywog how might I do that
[22:07] <Pollywog> make a file with that name and in it put one line
[22:07] <Pollywog> on the line:
[22:07] <Pollywog> exec startkde
[22:07] <Pollywog> and save it
[22:07] <Pollywog> then run startx
[22:07] <Zombocom> where should the file go
[22:07] <Zombocom> and what commands should I use
[22:07] <Pollywog> in your home directory
[22:07] <Zombocom> k
[22:07] <Pollywog> vi .xinitrc
[22:08] <Pollywog> do you know vi?
[22:08] <Zombocom> ok
[22:08] <Zombocom> no
[22:08] <Zombocom> sorry
[22:08] <Pollywog> I think you can use cat
[22:08] <Pollywog> or echo
[22:08] <Pollywog> do you know those commands?
[22:08] <Zombocom> I'm in vi right now
[22:08] <Pollywog> k
[22:08] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, echo "exec startkde" > ~/.xinitrc
[22:09] <Yorokobi> or use vi .... :)
[22:09] <Pollywog> Zombocom: do what Yorokobijust posted, if you can't vi yet
[22:09] <Zombocom> oh I'm in vi
[22:09] <Zombocom> on alt+F2
[22:09] <Zombocom> this is on alt+F1
[22:09] <Pollywog> k
[22:09] <Zombocom> how do I save in that
[22:10] <Zombocom> vi
[22:10] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, use I to enter insert mode, type in the exect startkde line then use <ESC>:wq
[22:10] <Pollywog> escape key  then :wq
[22:10] <Zombocom> so I type "wq"
[22:10] <Pollywog> :wq
[22:10] <Zombocom> or ":wq"
[22:10] <Zombocom> k
[22:10] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, :wq
[22:10] <Zombocom> kk
[22:12] <Zombocom> Yorokobi it's done, what do I do now, run xinit?
[22:12] <Zombocom> yorocobi or startx
[22:12] <Pollywog> startx
[22:12] <Zombocom> pollywog thanks
[22:13] <Zombocom> fatal error 104
[22:13] <Pollywog> as the user that has the xinitrc you just made
[22:13] <Pollywog> that is all?
[22:13] <Pollywog> there should be errors in a file
[22:13] <Zombocom> huh?
[22:13] <Zombocom> caught signal 11?
[22:14] <Pollywog> less .xsession-errors
[22:14] <Pollywog> try that command
[22:14] <Pollywog> Zombocom: did you in fact install a desktop environment?
[22:15] <Zombocom> pollywog I had kubuntu straight off the cd
[22:15] <Pollywog> k
[22:15] <Zombocom> pollywog I was using it last night
[22:15] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, did you change something last night?
[22:15] <Pollywog> do it worked on the LIVE cd but not when you installed kubuntu?
[22:15] <Pollywog> so*
[22:15] <MilitantPotato> Zombocom: have you  reconfigure xorg and select vesa?
[22:16] <Zombocom> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 158
[22:16] <MilitantPotato> thats WACOM tablet
[22:16] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, is it complaining about Wacom?
[22:16] <Zombocom> what? pollywog I've been using this for a while
[22:16] <Pollywog> k
[22:16] <Yorokobi> if so, ignore those warnings
[22:16] <ardchoille> !baddevice | Zombocom
[22:16] <ubotu> Zombocom: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[22:16] <MilitantPotato> thats easily fixed by commenting out the lines for wacom in xorg
[22:17] <Zombocom> ok
[22:17] <Zombocom> so is the last error the most current?
[22:17] <Zombocom> because there are a lot down there
[22:17] <Pollywog> pastebin them
[22:17] <Pollywog> !pastebin
[22:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[22:17] <Yorokobi> should be, yes. If not, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and look for lines with <EE>
[22:18] <MilitantPotato> Zombocom: if you open /etc/X11/xorg.conf what's the driver under the Device setting?
[22:20] <Zombocom> the driver?
[22:20] <rockets> Does Kopete have a buddy pounce feature?
[22:20] <rockets> I can't find it.
[22:21] <Zombocom> i810
[22:21] <MilitantPotato> Zombocom: yes
[22:21] <rockets> Zombocom, WELCOME, to zombocom.
[22:21] <MilitantPotato> try vesa
[22:21] <rockets> You can do ANYHING at zombocom
[22:21] <Zombocom> haha
[22:21] <rockets> anything at all.
[22:21] <Zombocom> the only limit is you
[22:21] <rockets> This is zombocom!
[22:21] <rockets> Welcome!
[22:21] <Zombocom> ok
[22:21] <Zombocom> vesa it is
[22:22] <Zombocom> crap
[22:22] <Zombocom> vi won't let me input
[22:22] <Zombocom> I deleted but I can't write
[22:23] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, use I to insert
[22:23] <Zombocom> type I then whatever?
[22:23] <Yorokobi> yep, then hit <ESC> and :wq to write and quit
[22:25] <Zombocom> how do I save YoroKobi
[22:25] <Yorokobi> :wq
[22:25] <Zombocom> it says no screens found
[22:26] <Zombocom> I saved it and tried startx
[22:26] <Tester> Games download, trailers and more only in: http://rincondechrist.blogspot.com/
[22:26] <Zombocom> no screens found
[22:26] <Tester> Games download, trailers and more only in: http://rincondechrist.blogspot.com/
[22:26] <Yorokobi> ah, it doesn't like vesa, probably
[22:26] <Zombocom> I think I 38something was what it was when I first installed
[22:26] <Zombocom> 384?
[22:26] <Zombocom> hrm
[22:26] <Zombocom> ...
[22:27] <Yorokobi> *shrug* I've never used an Intel GPU
[22:27] <Zombocom>  they're not so good
[22:27] <Dragnslcr> What graphics chipset is it?
[22:27] <Zombocom> intel Graphics Media Accellerator 950
[22:27] <MilitantPotato> Shouldn't he reconfigure X if it's not detecting his monitor?
[22:27] <Zombocom> Accelerator*
[22:27] <Dragnslcr> I dunno if the 950 uses the i810 driver
[22:28] <MilitantPotato> !ops | tester
[22:28] <ubotu> tester: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[22:28] <Zombocom> Dragnslcr: it told me I had a 945, so that could be the problem
[22:28] <PriceChild> MilitantPotato, ?
[22:28] <MilitantPotato> Tester has been spamming links all day and leaving
[22:28] <PriceChild> ah sorry didn't see
[22:28] <MilitantPotato> No worries :)
[22:28] <MilitantPotato> ty
[22:28] <jpatrick> that guy again?
[22:28]  * gnomefreak not even gonna op up
[22:29] <stdin> wow, lag
[22:29] <PriceChild> stdin, mhmm :/
[22:29] <MilitantPotato> Sorry to bother ya :)
[22:29] <Dragnslcr> Zombocom- yeah, I don't think I've ever seen 950, which is why I was confused
[22:29] <rockets> Is there a way to make konq stop bugging me about cookies all the tiem
[22:29] <Zombocom> Dragnslcr: its a new computer, it says on the stickers that it's 950...
[22:29] <Dragnslcr> Zombocom- you have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed?
[22:29] <stdin> PriceChild: got opped 10 secs after I tried to
[22:30] <Zombocom> Dragnslcr don't think so
[22:30] <Dragnslcr> Or xserver-xorg-video-i810, I think that also has 945 drivers
[22:30] <Dragnslcr> I think -intel just adds i965 support
[22:31] <Zombocom> Dragnslcr: I looked and it's already installed
[22:31] <Zombocom> Dragnslcr: latest version
[22:31] <Dragnslcr> What was the driver set to in xorg.conf the last time it worked?
[22:31] <Zombocom> dragnslcr, 945
[22:31] <Dragnslcr> "i945"?
[22:31] <Zombocom> oh no
[22:32] <Zombocom> i810
[22:32] <Dragnslcr> Try setting it to "intel" and see if that works
[22:32] <Zombocom> intel?
[22:32] <Zombocom> k
[22:32] <MilitantPotato> Zombocom: people are saying the drivers from intel work well
[22:32] <Dragnslcr> I think that's what I finally figured out on my girlfriend's laptop
[22:35] <ardchoille> PriceChild: fwiw, Tester uses a diff ip each time.
[22:35] <Zombocom1> it worked
[22:35] <Zombocom1> THANK YOU
[22:35] <Zombocom1> screen resolutions a bit tight
[22:36] <mario_> why dont i have frames in my windows with compiz
[22:36] <Zombocom1> but thank you so much dragnslcr
[22:36] <Zombocom1> !compiz
[22:36] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:37] <mario_> it's ubuntu 7.10, not kubuntu
[22:38] <Zombocom> Mario_ I think you'll get a lot more help in the channel #compiz-fusion
[22:38] <Zombocom> !beryl
[22:38] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[22:38] <Zombocom> !compiz
[22:38] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[22:38] <Zombocom> you quit irssi by hitting control+Z right?
[22:39] <Zombocom> or how do you do it
[22:39] <Zombocom> ./quit?
[22:39] <mario_> thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[22:39] <Zombocom> with no (.)?
[22:39] <Yorokobi> Zombocom, /quit
[22:39] <Zombocom> mario, are you angry?
[22:40] <sourcemaker_> is there anybody using a nvidia geforce3 graphic card on kubuntu gusty?
[22:45] <BluesKaj> mario_, Kubuntu is ubuntu with the KDE desktop... ubuntu uses the gnome desktop and issues with that system can addressed at #ubuntu chat
[22:48] <Nizse> Hi
[22:51] <bsundsrud> hi, I'm trying to create an image of a kubuntu system for use in a college lab (triple booting mac minis).  Is there an sane way to do this? Through DD, customizing an install CD, etc
[22:52] <pietjephuck> bsundsrud: not sure about kubuntu, but knoppix used to have a tutorial
[22:53] <bsundsrud> hmm, ok.  I'd even go for a way to edit the liveCD to add packages to the installer (and a way to automagially do users and partitions)
[22:54] <pietjephuck> I have cloned hard drives with dd in the past
[22:54] <rockets> cloning hard drives with dd = silly.
[22:55] <rockets> its soooo slow.
[22:55] <rockets> propiretary or not, acronis destroys dd.
[22:55] <rockets> proprietary even.
[22:55] <mkz> I move a ko module from my lib path in order to test if it was causing a problem with my system.  I've now replaced the file but the module does not appear available to the kernel.  I did nothing more than move the file and replace it.  Is there something else I need to do in order to make the module available?  I've tried modprobe but it says that my module does not exist (which it does) HELP
[22:55] <mkz> just short of this, how would one reinstall a sound driver?
[22:57] <ardchoille> !partimage
[22:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partimage - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:57] <ardchoille> !info partimage
[22:57] <ubotu> partimage: backup partitions into a compressed image file. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.4-17 (gutsy), package size 268 kB, installed size 944 kB
[22:58] <stdin> mkz: try "sudo depmod -a"
[22:59] <mkz> stdin: I did that and I followed it with modprobe snd-hda-intel and now I don't get my fatel error.  I think I'll have to reboot to test it.  thank you
[23:00] <mkz> so, depmod creates the module dependancy map.  therefore, in the future, if I remove a ko file and replace it I should run depmod -a before attempting to run modprobe
[23:06] <loris> ciao
[23:10] <loris> ciao
[23:19] <ignoramus> Hey all.  I have the mplayer extension that i use in firefox for streaming media, but it's kind of weak (only works like 75% of the time).  I've seen talk of a VLC plugin, but can't find any good documentation on it... anyone know anything?
[23:21] <no0tic> hi, how can I use different video drivers in kaffeine?
[23:21] <no0tic> it lets me use only xv
[23:21] <icewaterman> no0tic: what did you have in mind?
[23:21] <ignoramus> no0tic: do you have all non-free codecs installed?
[23:21] <icewaterman> xv is default and best driver in most cases.
[23:22] <no0tic> icewaterman, it has a flaw with dvb, it shrinks the image horizontally
[23:23] <icewaterman> no0tic: hm, cant tell you about that. there is a vlc plugin, but vlc in ubuntu is incapable of playing wmv and real files.
[23:23] <no0tic> icewaterman, I use mplayer for video files, I use kaffeine only for dvb-t
[23:24] <icewaterman> hmm, you should have at least x11 option for playback.
[23:24] <icewaterman> x11 will be slow though
[23:25] <no0tic> icewaterman, in settings->xine engine parameters
[23:25] <no0tic> icewaterman, video
[23:25] <no0tic> icewaterman, there's a list of drivers
[23:25] <no0tic> icewaterman, but only xv works
[23:25] <icewaterman> no0tic: ah
[23:26] <icewaterman> x11 should work as well, tried that one yet?
[23:26] <no0tic> icewaterman, there isn't
[23:26] <icewaterman> x11 is without acceleration at all.
[23:26] <Minataku> xv has hardware acceleration even on lousy cards, at least for scaling
[23:27] <no0tic> Minataku, I had to disable scaling
[23:27] <no0tic> Minataku, because it shrinks images from my dvb-t card
[23:27] <icewaterman> no0tic: it is called xshm sometimes
[23:28] <sn00zer> does anyone know how to kill/restart kded? its using 93.4% of the cpu and sudo kill <PID> isn't killing it
[23:28] <icewaterman> sn00zer: ctrl+alt+backspace
[23:28] <sn00zer> icewaterman: didn't work, tried it twice
[23:29] <ubuntu> :
[23:29] <icewaterman> sn00zer: kill the process with signal -9
[23:29] <icewaterman> pkill -9 kded
[23:30] <no0tic> icewaterman, ok, and if would use opengl?
[23:30] <icewaterman> no0tic: doesnt work well in most cases and doesnt look very good either.
[23:30] <icewaterman> images look too blury
[23:31] <no0tic> icewaterman, it doesn't work totally here, as anyother video driver except xv that has the problem I told you
[23:31] <sn00zer> thanks icewaterman
[23:31] <jmichaelx> does the alternate install CD include the restricted modules?
[23:31] <stdin> yep
[23:31] <jmichaelx> stdin: were you answering me?
[23:32] <icewaterman> no0tic: try finding out whether that is really a problem with the xv mode or rather a problem with another setting related to it (like auto-zoom etc)
[23:32] <stdin> jmichaelx: yes
[23:32] <no0tic> icewaterman, disabling scaling works
[23:32] <no0tic> icewaterman, but I can't go fullscreen with full image
[23:32] <Minataku> That doesn't address what he said
[23:32] <jmichaelx> stdin: sweet... as the old laptop i am wanting to install *ubuntu on is very very old and the ethernet adaptor does not work.. i'll need to have madwifi working
[23:33] <icewaterman> no0tic: look for the settings if there is some info on how to zoom and what to crop.
[23:33] <stdin> jmichaelx: the alternate cd installs the same system as the desktop cd, just used a text installer
[23:33] <Minataku> If it has wifi, it's likely not "very very old"
[23:33] <Minataku> It's merely "old"
[23:33] <icewaterman> no0tic: cant help you with this. gtg anyway, it's late.
[23:33] <Minataku> Unless it has pre-802.11b wifi
[23:34] <no0tic> icewaterman, bye
[23:34] <Minataku> In which case it may qualify as "rather old"
[23:34] <jmichaelx> stdin: it does not automatically install a desktop environment does it?
[23:34] <stdin> jmichaelx: yeah it does, only the server install doesn't
[23:35] <jmichaelx> Minataku: i have a pcmcia atheros-based card... the laptop is a p2 333Mhz / 128 MB ram
[23:35] <jmichaelx> it qualifies as old
[23:35] <Minataku> Merely "old"
[23:35] <Minataku> Not "very very old"
[23:35] <Minataku> That's at least early 2000s
[23:35] <jmichaelx> 1999
[23:35] <jmichaelx> it's old
[23:36] <Minataku> I've got one from 1987
[23:36] <Minataku> And another from 1983
[23:36] <Minataku> Call me when you have one that's ACTUALLY old
[23:36] <jmichaelx> that qualifies as ancient
[23:36] <konkorbolum> hey there...i have a problem with kopete.i can receive files but i cant send any.how can i solve this issue?
[23:36] <jmichaelx> and also as unusable for linus, afaik
[23:36] <jmichaelx> linux*
[23:37] <Minataku> I'm a collector and a Linux user, I know what it's good for.
[23:37] <Minataku> You'd definitely be better off with NetBSD on that laptop of yours, BTW
[23:37] <Minataku> Kubuntu will strain the hell out of it
[23:37] <Minataku> Definitely get something much, much lighter
[23:37] <jmichaelx> Minataku: i had no intention of using kubuntu
[23:37] <stdin> not necessarily, just disable most of the effects and it'll work
[23:37] <Minataku> Ubuntu will be worse, because of how GNOME is a steaming pile
[23:38] <stdin> I know people that run KDE on a p1
[23:38] <jmichaelx> but... i was hoping to use ubuntu with windowmaker or possibly xfce (not xubuntu)
[23:38] <Minataku> I also note that you specified "*ubuntu"
[23:38] <jmichaelx> yeah, i am also no gnome fan. xfce is nice, but xubuntu is too heavy
[23:38] <Minataku> Yeah, I noticed that myself
[23:39] <Minataku> I've heard that it's suppsoedly lighter. It's not.
[23:39] <jmichaelx> Minataku: what advantage does net bsd have over freebsd?
[23:39] <Minataku> Well, you can get help with NetBSD around Freenode
[23:39] <Minataku> #freebsd is completely useless
[23:39] <jmichaelx> you can't for freebsd?
[23:39] <jmichaelx> i see
[23:39] <Minataku> I've tried twice, and got harassed twice
[23:40] <jmichaelx> yeah, many irc channels can be rough
[23:40] <Minataku> I realize it's a small sample, but two for two on two completely separate occasions
[23:40] <jmichaelx> lol, i believe you
[23:40] <Minataku> They even told me flatly that "they're not there to provide support"
[23:40] <Minataku> Apparantly it's just a chat channel or somesuch
[23:40] <jmichaelx> what the heck is their irc channel for, then?
[23:40] <jmichaelx> lol, i see
[23:40] <Minataku> Which completely defeats the purpose of even bothering on Freenode
[23:41] <stdin> if it's a chat channel, it should be ##freebsd (as per freenode channel naming guidelines)
[23:41] <Minataku> So yeah, I'm not all too thrilled with FreeBSD at all
[23:41] <stdin> s/guidelines/policy/
[23:41] <Minataku> So I usually avoid recommending it
[23:41] <Minataku> I also tend to avoid using it, as well
[23:41] <Minataku> lol
[23:42] <Minataku> Except in situations where NetBSD doesn't quite fit the bill, like their SPARC64 MP support
[23:42] <jmichaelx> well, i had considered bsd... i have tried vector linux (much nicer xfce based distro than xubuntu, imho) and currently have mepis antix on it. i don't care for antix.. i may just try to install fluxbuntu, then install xfce
[23:42] <Minataku> Still a bit lacking
[23:42] <Minataku> Fluxbox is extremely nice
[23:42] <Minataku> I use it on my main system
[23:42] <Minataku> JWM is another nice, light WM
[23:42] <mm_work> hey guys, quick question: is there a way to have a script run not just on login, but everytime the screen is 'un-locked'?  (eg: after entering your password)
[23:43] <Minataku> Fluxbox is very light and featureful
[23:43] <Minataku> JWM is extremely light
[23:43] <jmichaelx> fluxbox os nice enough, but i don't care for mepis antix at this point... i don't like how they use apt-pinning to mix dbian stable and testing
[23:43] <jmichaelx> fluxbox is*
[23:43] <Minataku> Well, Fluxbox is just a WM
[23:43] <jmichaelx> yeah, os was a typo
[23:43] <Minataku> It has nothing to do with any of the rest of the system
[23:44] <stdin> anywho...
[23:44] <stdin> !ot
[23:44] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[23:44] <Minataku> I realize that, but perhaps I'm misreading your line there
[23:44] <jmichaelx> stdin: sorry :-D
[23:44] <Minataku> stdin: Why not answer the standing question instead of just pestering us?
[23:45] <stdin> Minataku: Kubuntu support questions in here, anything else -offtopic
[23:45] <Minataku> Yeah, yeah, yeah, nice cop-out
[23:46] <stdin> those are the rules for this channel, whether you like them or not is irrelevant
[23:46] <jmichaelx> stdin: another question.. i presume that the network install CD would NOT include restricted modules(i.e. wireless drivers)?
[23:47] <stdin> jmichaelx: the net install should install everything the alternate one does, just getting them from the net instead (I say should because I'm not 100% sure)
[23:47] <jmichaelx> stdin: ty, i try to research this a little
[23:47] <jmichaelx> i'll*
[23:47] <stdin> !install
[23:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[23:48] <stdin> there's some documentation there ^
[23:48] <jmichaelx> ty
[23:49] <Minataku> I don't mind the rules, it's the disrespectful enforcement
[23:49] <Minataku> I know the rule, I forget it in the moment
[23:49] <Minataku> Remind me WITHOUT using the stupid bot
[23:49] <Minataku> That's for NON-regulars :P
[23:49] <SudoKing> he's not stupid...
[23:49] <Minataku> lol
[23:50] <stdin> Minataku: the bot is there so everyone has access to the rules and so we don't have to type the same thing out over and over. it's a tool we use
[23:50] <Minataku> Also, I'm here to provide Linux support, anyway
[23:50] <Minataku> It ends up being relevant to Kubuntu because it's a Linux distribution
[23:50] <SudoKing> um help I'm trying to run the package "defrag" but I don't know the parameters to run it for an ext2 type file system?
[23:50] <Minataku> Don't bother
[23:50] <stdin> still, this is Kubuntu specific support only
[23:51] <Minataku> Defragmentation isn't needed on Linux filesystems
[23:51] <Dragnslcr> I don't think extN file systems have fragmentation problems
[23:51] <Minataku> Unless you've been using the same fs for, say, 50 years
[23:51] <Minataku> Which is, as of this moment, impossible
[23:51] <Minataku> lol
[23:51] <SudoKing> hmph then why does the package exist>
[23:51] <Daisuke-Ido> drum
[23:51] <Minataku> For stupid people and PC-ricers
[23:52] <SudoKing> ricers?
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> fat32 partitions might still have fragmentation problems, even under Linux
[23:52] <Minataku> The same kind of people who have computers full of neon lights and LED fans
[23:52] <Minataku> Useless crap like that
[23:52] <Dragnslcr> I'm not sure about any other less-used file systems
[23:52] <stdin> SudoKing: ext2 has some fragmentation issues (over extended periods) but not ext3
[23:52] <Minataku> They usually overclock and reduce the lifespan of their hardware to 3 months as a result, too
[23:52] <SudoKing> Ok I'm not sure what file system I have?
[23:53] <stdin> SudoKing: if you didn't manually choose one, it's ext3
[23:53] <Daisuke-Ido> Minataku: i have both of those things and don't overclock, what does that make me?
[23:53] <Minataku> Daisuke-Ido: Hm
[23:53] <DaSkreech> I have a ResierFS / and XFS /home
[23:53] <SudoKing> Are there any other computer speed enhancing packages, then?
[23:53] <Minataku> I never thought of that
[23:53] <Dragnslcr> SudoKing- the Disks section of System Settings/KControl should tell you the file system of each partition
[23:54] <Daisuke-Ido> DaSkreech: i'm a little afraid to use reiser...  what if it kills my disk?
[23:54] <Minataku> I guess you're still a ricer, you're just not stupid
[23:54] <stdin> SudoKing: the kernel and the filesystem take care of  most of it for you, not much you need to do
[23:54] <Dragnslcr> Daisuke-Ido- man, I was resisting from making that comment
[23:54] <Minataku> My external partitions are all Reiser3
[23:54] <stdin> SudoKing: *need or can
[23:54] <DaSkreech> Daisuke-Ido: Meh. that's a problem with any FS
[23:54] <Daisuke-Ido> Minataku: does it help that i'm shopping for a compact case without the frills?
[23:54] <jmichaelx> hmmm.. ok, i want to do a very minimal ubuntu- window manager install, while still needing working madwifi, and am still not sure what route to take. it is almost seeming that installing fluxbuntu might be the best and possibly ony route
[23:54] <Minataku> And they've been that since long before :P
[23:54] <SudoKing> need or can?
[23:54] <DaSkreech> it's journaled if that helps
[23:54] <Daisuke-Ido> DaSkreech: not in this case
[23:54] <stdin> SudoKing: replace "need" with "need or can" in my previous message
[23:55] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: install ubuntu-minimal ?
[23:55] <jmichaelx> i meant ubuntu minus desktop environment
[23:55] <Minataku> jmichealx: Sorry, KUBUNTU ONLY
[23:55]  * Minataku rolls eyes
[23:55]  * DaSkreech whaps Minataku  :)
[23:55] <Minataku> :P
[23:55] <stdin> SudoKing: the linux environment is quite well optimised to begin with, unlike windows
[23:55] <Dragnslcr> stdin- your patience is far greater than mine would be
[23:55] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: get the alternate dc and do a server instal
[23:55] <SudoKing> but stdin, "not much you need or can to do" isn't proper grammar...
[23:55] <DaSkreech> cd
[23:55] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: do you know whether minimal has restricted modules? i need madwifi as i have no ethernet
[23:55] <SudoKing> aw, but I want to be able to monitor the performance of my computer
[23:56] <Minataku> Or just use NetBSD >.>
[23:56] <Daisuke-Ido> so install the restricted modules package.
[23:56] <Daisuke-Ido> oi
[23:56] <stdin> SudoKing: I'll turn myself in to the grammar police later, ok? :p
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- any of the install types should use the same repositories
[23:56] <Daisuke-Ido> oh, Minataku!  got a remote :D
[23:56] <Minataku> I like NetBSD :3
[23:56] <DaSkreech> install the server pacakge and install restricted
[23:56] <DaSkreech>  not that hard
[23:56] <Minataku> Dai: Cool
[23:56] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- the only differences are what gets installed initially
[23:56] <Daisuke-Ido> it's an MCE remote, but it works, so i'm happy :D
[23:56] <jmichaelx> you don't understand.... i have no access to repos without working madwifi... i have no ethernet
[23:56] <Minataku> But you better make it have something to do with Kubuntu
[23:56] <Minataku> Or you'll get yelled at!
[23:56] <Minataku> XP
[23:56] <SudoKing> I need some performance tweaks then...
[23:56] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: Do you have USB?
[23:56] <Daisuke-Ido> i painted the kubuntu logo on it
[23:57] <Minataku> There's a Kubuntu logo?
[23:57] <jmichaelx> DaSkreech: it has usb 1.1
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- if you get the DVD, it may have the packages you need
[23:57] <Daisuke-Ido> yes
[23:57] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: wait that doesn't even matter the alternate CD is a repo
[23:57] <SudoKing> Also, what resolution does my computer need to be to show the Kubista wallpaper full screen?
[23:57] <stdin> Minataku: have you seen kubuntu.org ?
[23:57] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- you can install packages from a CD or DVD
[23:57] <Minataku> Nope
[23:57] <DaSkreech> you can apt-get install from it
[23:57] <Minataku> I don't even USE Kubuntu
[23:57] <jmichaelx> Dragnslcr: this old machine has no DVD
[23:57] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: get the DVD if you want more assurance :)
[23:57] <Daisuke-Ido> http://sevenothree.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/kubuntu_logo.png
[23:57] <Minataku> Or Ubuntu, for that matter
[23:57] <stdin> Minataku: that's where the logo is
[23:58] <Daisuke-Ido> the ubuntu logo is similar but not.
[23:58] <fignew> Minataku: I'm sorry
[23:58] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- you might need to put the packages on a CD and install them from there
[23:58] <Daisuke-Ido> fignew: don't be, he's far past kubuntu
[23:58] <Minataku> ?
[23:58] <DaSkreech> jmichaelx: Or a USB drive doesn't really matter
[23:58] <Dragnslcr> jmichaelx- or get a cheap USB network adapter
[23:58] <fignew> Daisuke-Ido: I didn't realize you could be "past" an operating system
[23:59] <jmichaelx> Dragnslcr: i could possibly try that
[23:59] <DaSkreech> fignew: ask Steve about NeXT
[23:59] <fignew> I've used the most complicated OSes, but you know, I like for my desktop to work
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> I think they're $20-30
[23:59] <DaSkreech> fignew: SO you've used Vista?
[23:59] <fignew> Why would I have to ask him? I own a NeXT
[23:59] <jmichaelx> Dragnslcr: i have all knds of network adapters... but none that will work without restricted modules, as far as i know