[00:15] <thumper> Ubulette: why do you think that lp needs to sync it?
[00:17] <Ubulette> thumper, i don't know. so far so good. maybe there's no need
[00:17] <thumper> Ubulette: I don't think it needs to know
[00:18] <thumper> the public key yes
[00:18] <thumper> but all the signed emails, no AFAIK
[00:25] <mpt> heh
[00:25] <mpt> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-devel-discuss
[00:25] <mpt> "Ubuntu Core Developers does not use Launchpad."
[00:26]  * mpt wonders how we could fix that
[00:26] <mpt> Rename the profile, I guess
[00:30] <ajmitch> yet another automatically created person?
[00:31] <mpt> yes
[00:31] <mpt> (Asked as <https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/18173>)
[00:34]  * ajmitch remebers the same thing happening with motu
[01:14]  * Hobbsee waves
[01:34] <sargento> Hello!
[01:36] <Hobbsee> greetings!
[01:38] <sargento> Is anybody there?
[01:38] <Hobbsee> no
[01:38] <stdin> i'm not there, i'm here
[01:38] <Hobbsee> sargento: only the autoanswer script is here.
[01:39] <sargento> Hi, Hobbsee, how are you?
[01:39]  * Hobbsee is an autoanswer script
[01:39]  * Hobbsee is slowly eating up more memory
[01:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:39]  * thumper waves
[01:40]  * ajmitch waves to thumper 
[01:40] <thumper> sargento: do you have a question or just curious?
[01:40] <sargento> both of them
[01:40]  * thumper waves at ajmitch
[01:40] <sargento> I'd never used IRC before
[01:41] <sargento> I'm not native English speaker by the way, so be patient with me, please.
[01:42] <sargento> I'm also new at Linux, I have requested a translation file for amarok but I don't know what to do with de PO file. ¿Can someone give me a tip of how to translate an application?
[01:43] <thumper> sargento: unfortunately I don't know too much about the translations stuff
[01:43] <sargento> Thanks any way
[01:44] <sargento> What is this IRC used for?
[01:44] <thumper> sargento: ok, just checked
[01:44] <thumper> but amarok isn't using launchpad for translations
[01:44] <thumper> I believe that it is all done through the kde.org website
[01:44] <thumper> sargento: IRC is used for immediate converstations between (sometimes) like minded people
[01:45] <sargento> thumper: Where are you from?
[01:45] <thumper> sargento: New Zealand
[01:46] <sargento> thumper: Greetings form México!
[01:46]  * thumper waves at all Mexicans
[01:46] <thumper> sargento: IRC also allows aids in distributed development where the people are not co-located
[01:48] <sargento> thumper: Thanks a lot, I gotta go, It's been a thrill chating with you. Bye.
[01:48] <thumper> sargento: bye for now
[01:48]  * thumper likes giving thrills...
[01:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163694 in malone "Fix Committed/Released distinction is inconsistent and unproductive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163694
[01:52] <Hobbsee> mpt: updated bug, sorry for being unclear.
[02:00] <ubotu> New bug: #163696 in malone "Launchpad doesn't help in listing bugs fixed in a release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163696
[02:01] <Hobbsee> ...uh, yes it does
[02:02] <Hobbsee> oh, i cant read.
[02:02] <ajmitch> need glasses?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> got em
[02:03] <Hobbsee> actualyl, the title could go both ways.
[03:52] <mdomsch> to enable a team PPA, must you be a team Administrator?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> i think so, yes.
[03:53] <mdomsch> cool - I'll bug my guy then
[03:56] <Hobbsee> mdomsch: be aware, unless you get an email address set, it will send all build failures, etc, to all members of the team.
[03:56] <mdomsch> excellent :-)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> depends how many people you have on your team :P
[03:57] <mdomsch> hmm, that's probably recursive (there are other teams included in mine)
[03:57] <mdomsch> dell-team has ~15 people, plus the Ubuntu Kernel team
[03:57] <mdomsch> the latter probably won't want to see those emails
[03:57] <Hobbsee> no idea if it's recursive, tbh.
[03:57] <mdomsch> but the other named people, sure
[03:57] <Hobbsee> havent tried that :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ahhhh, i see.
[03:58]  * Hobbsee wonders if lp will let her mangle teams, when she's only the maintainer of one of them, and not on the other :P
[04:02]  * Hobbsee wonders if that constitutes an abuse of power.
[04:02] <mdomsch> Hobbsee, don't do anything on my behalf pls
[04:02] <Hobbsee> mdomsch: no, not you :)
[04:02] <mdomsch> :-)
[04:03] <Hobbsee> mdomsch: this is about a team ppa that has ~60 members, and everyone got spammed with all build failures until i blackholed the address.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> however, i've blackholed it to my personal email, so....
[04:03] <Hobbsee> it would be good to change it, so that it goes to the list instead.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> which it cant, as another team has that address.  *sigh*.
[04:04] <mdomsch> oh lovely - if it is recursive, I'll spam 21 people plus canonical-kernel-team and canonical-xorg
[04:04] <Hobbsee> you might want to wait for cprov-away and such, then.
[04:05]  * Hobbsee is no LP admin
[04:06] <mdomsch> no rush, was just something I was looking into
[04:07] <Hobbsee> mdomsch: you cant sign ppa packages yet, btw
[04:08] <mdomsch> Hobbsee, makes sense
[04:08] <mdomsch> I was just wanting to get some pacakges out for people to play with
[04:08] <mdomsch> which I can do w/o a PPA too
[04:08] <Hobbsee> mdomsch: you can use your personal ppa if you wihs, too.
[04:08] <Hobbsee> er, but you might need to be in the beta team.
[04:08] <mdomsch> but sabdfl was here last week and reminded me of PPAs and was curious if we were using them
[04:09] <mdomsch> which got me started
[04:09] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> so get going
[04:10] <mdomsch> I requested beta team access
[04:10] <Hobbsee> oh, mrevell's on leave.  i doubt it's gotten processed yet, then.
[04:11] <mdomsch> yep - and that's fine.  I'm still learning
[04:11] <Hobbsee> dear launchpad, please don't switch the menu options around.  Thanks, Hobbsee.
[04:12] <mpt> Hobbsee, which menu options?
[04:13]  * mpt gets a headache reading https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/18067
[04:13] <Hobbsee> mpt: *sigh*
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mpt: show all team members, and show team participation
[04:14] <Hobbsee> show all team members used to be the second hyperlink.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team for eg
[04:14] <ajmitch> that's an interesting question there, mpt 
[04:14] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: oh, maybe that's why I keep hitting the wrong one
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mpt: that's quite...impressive.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, i think so.  i'm not sure how long ago they changed it, but every single time i hit the wrong one.
[04:15]  * ajmitch does as well
[04:15] <ajmitch> I figured it was just me being slow & confused
[04:15] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: i think it doesnt help that they sound like the same sort of thing - it sounds like a rename, instead of a new option moved around.
[04:15] <mpt> I'm sorry, I haven't being paying any attention to the order of menu items
[04:15] <Hobbsee> mpt: clearly you dont use that section of LP enough :)
[04:16] <ajmitch> 'show team participation' does sound somewhat like show who participates in this team
[04:16] <mpt> (it's just been one of those dull throbbing issues that I need to get around to investigating one day)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: ah, so that's why i'm getting confused.
[04:16] <mpt> We have a plan to fix this
[04:16] <Hobbsee> how soon?  before we go mad?  :)
[04:17] <mpt> Hmm, perhaps not
[04:17] <mpt> Might be too late for that already ;-)
[04:17]  * mpt flees
[04:17] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:17] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:17]  * Hobbsee attacks mpt with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ™
[04:17] <LaserJock> certainly too late for Hobbsee 
[04:17] <mpt> Yeah, Exhibit A
[04:17] <Hobbsee> haha :)
[04:18] <Hobbsee> mpt: who's doing the beta team approvals in mrevell's absense?  did you know?
[04:18] <ajmitch> LaserJock: just give her a padded cell & some ponies
[04:19] <ajmitch> speaking of which....
[04:19] <mpt> Hobbsee, no-one, afaik
[04:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: poniez plz.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> mpt: when does he get back?
[04:19] <mpt> Today, I think
[04:19] <Hobbsee> woot :)
[04:19] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I think we scared LaserJock off
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: we'll find him at the next UDS.
[04:19] <ajmitch> you may
[04:20] <LaserJock> sorry
[04:20] <Hobbsee> greetings, lamont 
[04:20] <Hobbsee> lamont: how goes the fishing?
[04:20]  * ajmitch is seeing a distinct lack of golden ponies announced
[04:20] <LaserJock> busy listening to the sound of my silent laptop
[04:21] <LaserJock> ajmitch: yeah, I actually haven't been on the computer much for my birthday
[04:21] <Hobbsee> mpt: btw, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/18173
[04:21] <lamont> evening
[04:21] <Hobbsee> (seeing as you filed it)
[04:21] <lamont> Hobbsee: I went looking for your build failure, found only successes...
[04:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: well, happy birthday
[04:22] <Hobbsee> lamont: for kdebase-runtime?
[04:23] <lamont> I think that was it.  not being told _which_ ppa to look in may have complicated things...
[04:23] <Hobbsee> lamont: if that's the case, then why does it still fail?
[04:23] <lamont> I eventually checked the kubuntu-members ppa, since y our's didn't have it
[04:23] <Hobbsee> lamont: this is all kubuntu-members
[04:23] <Hobbsee> this has nothing to do with my ppa of miscellanea
[04:24] <Hobbsee> lamont: i thought it checked it's own ppa
[04:24] <sabdfl> mdomsch: it would be recursive, if i understand what you are referring to, yes
[04:25] <lamont> kdebase-runtime 4:3.95.0a-1ubuntu1~ppa1 is built, no?
[04:25] <sabdfl> if you have team X as a member of Team A, and A has a PPA, and there is a notification for that PPA, then everyone in X will get it
[04:25] <mdomsch> sabdfl, ok, thanks.
[04:25] <sabdfl> unless you set a notification address for X
[04:26] <sabdfl> the recursive thing is rather neat, though :-)
[04:26] <sabdfl> was fun to meet up and see your labs, thank muchly btw
[04:26] <mdomsch> I can see the need for both recursive and non-recursive
[04:26] <lamont> Hobbsee: maybe if you uploaded kdebase-workspace to _hardy_ instead of gutsy, it'd find the kdebase-runtime that is in _hardy_
[04:26] <Hobbsee> lamont: first three of https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all ?
[04:26] <mdomsch> indeed, it was a productive day, thanks for coming down
[04:26] <Hobbsee> lamont: oh, there's a thought.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> that's the *one* thing i forgot to check :)
[04:27] <lamont> Hobbsee: that'd be the issue for all 3.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> sabdfl!
[04:27] <lamont> and kde4network...
[04:27] <lamont> morning sabdfl 
[04:28] <mdomsch> I'm pretty sure we'll want a way to limit who gets PPA notifications, but not limit who gets other notifications
[04:28] <mdomsch> maybe by setting up another team just for the PPA
[04:28] <Hobbsee> lamont: uh, and why https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+build/428961 ?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> lamont: that would appear to target gutsy.
[04:28] <lamont> that's kdepimlibs
[04:29] <Hobbsee> lamont: sorry, https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/+archive/+builds?build_text=kdebase-runtime&build_state=all
[04:29] <Hobbsee> lamont: that's kdebase-runtime in gutsy, not hardy at all.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> which is dying over kdepimlibs, which also appears to be in hardy.
[04:30] <Hobbsee> *unless* the thing is saying gutsy, when it's actually hardy
[04:30] <lamont> ah.
[04:30] <lamont> kdebase-runtime in gutsy is dep-wait kdepimlibs5-derv
[04:31] <Hobbsee> lamont: yes, but why.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> lamont: that's in the ppa.
[04:31] <Hobbsee> for gutsy, unless it's naming is on crack.
[04:31] <lamont> hrm.  dear launchpad, when a package becomes new enough to clear a depwait in ppa, please clear the depwait. kthxbye
[04:31] <Hobbsee> i gave it back - it just doesnt seem to be finding the package.
[04:32] <lamont> runtime doesn't?
[04:32]  * lamont just gave-back kdebase-runtime and rescored it.  I'll stick around long enough to see it at least building
[04:32] <Hobbsee> no, but i'll try it again on !lpia if you like
[04:32] <Hobbsee> oh, yeah, you may as well do that, as you can rescore too
[04:34] <lamont> rescored
[04:34] <lamont> I see you gave them back though.
[04:34] <lamont> and it looks like queue-builder is running, so we may get to wait a bit
[04:35] <Hobbsee> yeah.  was already there, and figured it was less clicks for you
[04:35] <lamont> 'heh. thanks
[04:35]  * Hobbsee wants the mighty give back powers :)
[04:38] <lamont> you have give-back powers, no?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> i have givebacks for ppa
[04:40] <Hobbsee> but not globally
[04:40] <Hobbsee> and i dont have rescore powers
[04:40] <lamont> ah, yes.  that makes sense
[04:40] <Hobbsee> need a member of the tech board (hint, sabdfl) around long enough to give them out :)
[04:41] <lamont> hrm... tech board does own the team
[04:41] <Hobbsee> seems odd, for something not only for ubuntu.
[04:42] <lamont> someone has to own it.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i guess it's that or the LP admins.
[04:43] <lamont> yeah
[04:44] <lamont> and no one wants to be owned by a rubber duck
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:44] <Hobbsee> change it to a llama or something.  problem solved.
[04:44] <lamont> they'd revolt
[04:45]  * Hobbsee . o O { here's a llama, there's a llama, and another little llama, fuzzy llama funny llama, llama llama duck }
[04:47] <lamont> all three building, it'll be interesting to see who finishes first
[04:48] <Hobbsee> i'll bet a lolly pop on i386
[04:48] <Hobbsee> i win!
[04:48] <Hobbsee> lamont: i was right then.  depwait.
[04:49] <Hobbsee> lamont: in fact, it's not even piciking up the latest kdelibs
[04:50] <lamont> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[04:50] <lamont> double-U  Tee  Eff
[04:51] <lamont> I imagine that if your PPA had the package in the packages file, that apt would use it...
[04:51] <lamont> not a buildd-fixable bug.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> lamont: ahhh!
[04:51] <Hobbsee> no, i think i've found it
[04:52] <Hobbsee> lamont: this is likely due to component up mangling, that never got fully done.
[04:52] <lamont> ??
[04:52] <Hobbsee> cprov-away: when did you do the component mangling?  what was the date?
[04:52] <lamont> heh.  iz universe?
[04:52] <Hobbsee> lamont: with the old system, yes
[04:52] <Hobbsee> lamont: until they blew away components.
[04:52] <Hobbsee> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/binary-i386/Packages
[04:53] <lamont> yeah - saw it
[04:53] <Hobbsee> although, i guess the non-component system would only have taken effect with the new rollout.
[04:53] <lamont> anyway, have a nice day. :-0)
[04:53] <Hobbsee> lamont: right, i'll bug cprov.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> lamont: thanks for your help
[04:53] <lamont> yeah - it's beyond my powers
[04:53] <sabdfl> lamont, Hobbsee, i think they will enable full component support for PPAs as an option
[04:54] <sabdfl> for sovvistikated users
[04:54] <Hobbsee> sabdfl: i bet that'll confuse the hell out of people, even mroe than this lot does now.
[04:54] <sabdfl> well, no
[04:54] <lamont> sabdfl: with the ability for the ppa owner to move things around and manage the overrides file, one would hope.
[04:54] <sabdfl> the problem is that most people grab an existing package, from ubuntu or debian, and then hammer on it
[04:54] <sabdfl> then upload it to their PPA
[04:54] <Hobbsee> oh, i see the point for blowing aawy components entirely
[04:54] <lamont> Hobbsee: I expect it'll be behind a "I HAVE A CLUE DAMMIT" button.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> lamont: ROFL!
[04:55]  * Hobbsee want.
[04:55] <sabdfl> and the specific rules about build dependencies between main and universe just add friction for them
[04:55] <lamont> lots of friction, I expect
[04:55]  * Hobbsee is surprised that the current stuff in components didn't all get copied into main, so that we dont lose great subsections of it.
[04:57]  * lamont decides that it's bedtime
[05:21] <Hobbsee> cprov-away: bug done.  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/163716
[05:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [Undecided,New] 
[05:22] <Hobbsee> oh, how clever.  LP realises that there are words in there, and tags it with ppa and ui
[05:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163716
[05:38] <TiMiDo> anyone here?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> no
[05:39] <Hobbsee> these are 90 skelletons.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> they're not actually here.
[05:43] <jamesh> TiMiDo: if you have a question, it is usually best to go ahead and ask
[05:44] <jamesh> (then wait around for an answer rather than quitting immediately)
[05:44] <jamesh> we'll do our best to help
[05:44]  * Hobbsee waves to jamesh
[05:44] <jamesh> afternoon Hobbsee 
[05:44] <TiMiDo> jamesh: when i try downloading the files mo archives, and suppostly, i'll get an email with the mo file
[05:44] <TiMiDo> but nothing yet?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> jamesh: didnt realise you were australian...
[05:44] <TiMiDo> is there another way, of downloading it?
[05:45] <jamesh> TiMiDo: there is a queue for translations exports.  Let me take a look
[05:45] <jamesh> Hobbsee: still am :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> jamesh: where are you then?
[05:46] <jamesh> Hobbsee: Perth
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #163718 in launchpad "Should use the openid.sreg module to implement Simple Registration Extension" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163718
[05:46] <Hobbsee> jamesh: ahhh.  pity.
[05:48] <jamesh> TiMiDo: hmm.  I guess I don't have an easy way to check the status of the translation export queue
[05:48] <jamesh> TiMiDo: how long have you been waiting so far?
[05:49] <TiMiDo> Hmm for a while
[05:49] <TiMiDo> maybe more than a few hours,
[05:53] <jamesh> TiMiDo: the people who can check for sure (carlos, danilos, jtv) won't be up for a few more hours yet as they are on European time
[05:53] <jamesh> TiMiDo: so the most I can say is to be patient
[05:53] <jamesh> we do have a number of performance improvements pending for the next LP release, so things should improve in the future
[05:54] <TiMiDo> oh ic,
[05:54] <TiMiDo> well Nice chating with ya'll i have to go to sleep, tomorrow i've have school
[06:09] <blober> hi, i need an online svn repository that has to be accessible only for some 4-5 persons for some weeks, than we plan to open it. is launchpad ok for that?
[06:12] <LaserJock> blober: I wouldn't think so until you open it and launchpad I don't think Launchpad hosts svn, but bazaar
[06:13] <LaserJock> but I'm just an Launchpad users so you might want to ask somebody more official than me
[06:14] <mpt> Hobbsee, I'm sure ogra will be delighted to know you described him as a model
[06:15] <blober> LaserJock: how? you mean a mailing list?
[06:16] <LaserJock> blober: launchpad-users mailing list, which you can find on http://lists.ubuntu.com, would probably be a good place
[06:16] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if many Launchpad people are awake yet
[06:16] <Hobbsee> mpt: hehe, yeah :)
[06:16] <Hobbsee> mpt: that got pointed out to me, and fixed.
[06:16] <Hobbsee> mpt: maybe he wanted a model named after him.
[06:17] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: ?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ? ?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: (what?)
[06:18] <blober> LaserJock: Thanks
[06:19] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: what did you say about ogra?
[06:19] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/bugs/163716
[06:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [Undecided,New] 
[06:20] <Hobbsee> typo in the bug.
[06:20] <Hobbsee> said the ogra model, not the ogre model.
[06:20] <LaserJock> hahaha
[06:20] <mpt> Why is it called the ogre model, anyway?
[06:21] <mpt> Is it because it's like an onion?
[06:21] <LaserJock> I can't remember
[06:21] <LaserJock> cprov told me once I think
[06:22] <Hobbsee> goodness only knows.  i didnt even know it had a name, until a few months ago.
[06:22] <mpt> Smells like an implementation detail to me
[06:23] <Hobbsee> mpt: hm?
[06:23] <Hobbsee> ah, bugger, blender still doesn't work.
[06:23] <LaserJock> mpt: very appropriate comment btw, as I'm watching Shrek the Third at the moment
[06:23] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: should i upload the "still doesnt work, but merged version", or keep the "doesn't work" version in there? (which is old)
[06:24] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: seems like we have quite a bit of time left to wait to get it merged right
[06:26] <Hobbsee> this is true
[06:33] <thumper> blober: launchpad doesn't host SVN
[06:33] <thumper> blober: just bazaar branches
[06:33] <thumper> blober: which are really good if I do say so myself
[07:32] <carlos> morning
[07:54] <Hobbsee> morning carlos!
[09:24] <Hobbsee> mrevell!
[09:24] <mrevell> hi Hobbsee :)
[09:24] <mrevell> hello everyone else
[09:24] <Hobbsee> mrevell: how was your hoilday?
[09:24] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Not bad thanks.
[09:25] <LaserJock> \o/ mrevell returns!
[09:25] <mrevell> hi LaserJock :)
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163769 in launchpad "AssertionError when clicking "I'm Someone Else" twice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163769
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #163783 in rosetta "Automatically translated msgid "translator-credits" does not include year" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163783
[12:06] <Hobbsee> carlos: ping
[12:06] <carlos> Hobbsee: pong
[12:06] <Hobbsee> carlos: got some time?
[12:07] <carlos> sure
[12:07] <Hobbsee> or are you busy?
[12:07]  * Hobbsee queries
[12:16]  * Hobbsee waves to cprov
[12:16] <cprov> Hobbsee: hey
[12:16] <Hobbsee> cprov: found the kdebase-workspace ppa problem :D
[12:17] <cprov> Hobbsee: ta, I will move the old packages to main in a bit
[14:11] <Hobbsee> cprov: ppa doc updated.  \o/
[14:16] <cprov> Hobbsee: thanks.
[14:16] <Hobbsee> cprov-lunch: no problem
[14:56] <\sh> moins ppl :)
[14:57] <\sh> can someone explain, why sometimes some ubuntu *-security uploads are generating a *-changes  mail and some not? 
[15:01] <mrevell> \sh cprov-lunch could answer that when he's back from lunch
[15:10] <\sh> mrevell, kk
[16:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163857 in launchpad "Safari footer links" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163857
[17:39] <afflux> Is there any way to override the distribution setting from debian/changelog when uploading to PPA? I.e. some sort of switch to dput to upload a single source-package to multiple distributions?
[17:43] <cprov-lunch> afflux: you can't have the same version uploaded to multiple distributions in PPA (neither in ubuntu primary archive).
[20:11] <Ubulette> is bazaar.lp broken ?
[20:12] <Ubulette> I get No handlers could be found for logger "bzr" when i push, and it stays like that
[20:30] <Ubulette> bzr: ERROR: Could not acquire lock "(remote lock)"
[20:32] <gmb> Ubulette: did you get that error on a launchpad-hosted branch?
[20:32] <Ubulette> yes
[20:33] <gmb> Sorry... would've seen that, didn't read scrollback
[20:33] <gmb> Have you tried bzr break-lock on the remote url?
[20:34] <Ubulette> ix:~/bzr/prism$ bzr break-lock
[20:34] <Ubulette> ix:~/bzr/prism$ bzr push
[20:34] <Ubulette> Using saved location: bzr+ssh://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/prism/prism/
[20:34] <Ubulette> No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"
[20:34] <Ubulette> then nothing
[20:34] <gmb> Okay. Let me see if I have any joy...
[20:34] <thumper> Ubulette: that is a known bug, and I'm trying to remember the work around
[20:34] <gmb> Or thumper could save the day :)
[20:35] <Ubulette> i've pushed/pulled/merges/clones zillions of time before, 1st time it occurs
[20:35] <thumper> Ubulette: see bug 152746
[20:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152746 in bzr "bzr commit to bzr+ssh hangs on 'No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152746
[20:36] <thumper> Ubulette: I think there is still an issue with break-lock and bzr+ssh for Launchpad, so try breaking the lock over sftp
[20:36] <thumper> Ubulette: so `bzr break-lock sftp://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/prism/prism/`
[20:37] <Ubulette> $ bzr break-lock sftp://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/prism/prism/
[20:37] <Ubulette> Break lock sftp://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emozillateam/prism/prism/.bzr/branch/lock
[20:37] <Ubulette> held by fta@bazaar.launchpad.net on host vostok [process #16908]
[20:37] <Ubulette> locked 2 hours, 59 minutes ago? [y/n]: y
[20:37] <Ubulette> Break lock sftp://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Emozillateam/prism/prism/.bzr/repository/lock
[20:37] <Ubulette> held by fta@bazaar.launchpad.net on host vostok [process #16908]
[20:37] <Ubulette> locked 2 hours, 59 minutes ago? [y/n]: y
[20:38] <Ubulette> $ bzr push
[20:38] <Ubulette> Using saved location: bzr+ssh://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/prism/prism/
[20:38] <Ubulette> No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"
[20:38] <Ubulette> no change
[20:39] <thumper> hmm...
[20:40] <thumper> jml: ping
[20:42] <thumper> Ubulette: what do you get if you push to sftp instead?
[20:43] <Ubulette> $ bzr push sftp://fta@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/prism/prism/
[20:43] <Ubulette> bzr: ERROR: Can't rename /srv/sm-ng/push-branches/00/00/16/8b/.bzr/repository/lock/548gbgv38o.tmp to /srv/sm-ng/push-branches/00/00/16/8b/.bzr/repository/lock/held: /srv/sm-ng/push-branches/00/00/16/8b/.bzr/repository/lock/held already exists
[20:44] <Ubulette> i did another break-lock, and pushed to sftp, it worked.
[20:44] <Ubulette> well, thanks :)
[20:45] <Ubulette> another push on bzr+ssh says nothing to push, so it looks fixed
[20:46] <thumper> Ubulette: weird
[20:46] <thumper> Ubulette: you can be assured that this bug will get fixed ASAP
[20:46] <Ubulette> excellent :)
[21:10] <jml> thumper: pong
[21:10] <thumper> jml: what's the status with bug  152746?
[21:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152746 in bzr "bzr commit to bzr+ssh hangs on 'No handlers could be found for logger "bzr"'" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152746
[21:10] <thumper> jml: you have something in review
[21:10] <jml> thumper: is this the logging branch?
[21:11] <thumper> jml: yeah
[21:11] <jml> thumper: mwhudson was going to do it, but he felt that it would be best to wait for me to get back.
[21:12] <jml> thumper: any particular questions?
[21:13] <thumper> jml: I was trying to help Ubulette above with the problem
[21:17] <jml> ah, I see
[22:16] <LaserJock> thumper: is kiko on holiday do you know?
[22:17] <thumper> LaserJock: yes he is
[22:17] <LaserJock> bugger
[22:17] <thumper> what's up?
[22:17] <LaserJock> he was working on bug 130158 for me and I got some testing done for him
[22:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130158 in soyuz "Launchpad should provide dgettable URLs" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130158 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[22:18] <LaserJock> so I was hoping to get some feedback from him on an ETA
[22:18] <LaserJock> I guess the soonest would be the next rollout
[22:20] <thumper> LaserJock: sorry, I don't know the status of this work
[22:20] <LaserJock> yeah, it's np
[22:20] <LaserJock> I just finally got around to getting the info he wanted and wanted to chat with him about it
[22:21] <thumper> :)
[22:21] <LaserJock> seems like everybody is on vacation when I want to talk to them
[22:21] <LaserJock> :-)
[22:30] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163921 in malone "+text date format is inconsistent" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163921
[22:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163923 in rosetta "Download all translations does not include Turkish po file" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163923
[22:34] <mpt> And good morning ubotu!
[23:54] <Ubulette> how come firefox3 (1st pkg on https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+packages) is marked as "Not yet built" while it has been for days ?