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| nikolam | Hi | 00:29 |
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| nikolam | I need advice regarding testing Hardy | 00:29 |
| nikolam | What Virtual Machine/virtualization software should I use | 00:29 |
| nikolam | I have Amd X2 Cpu with Virtualization extensions | 00:29 |
| nikolam | What should be fastest and best for testing virtualization progremme? | 00:30 |
| stdin | nikolam: any of them should do, I recommend virtualbox or vmware | 00:35 |
| RAOF | I like kvm. That's got the advantage of being all-free. | 00:41 |
| RAOF | And it's pretty fast with the VM extensions. I should probably see about backporting Hardy's kvm to gutsy, actually. | 00:41 |
| nikolam | RAOF, I never managed to know if kvm is using my cpu`s VM extensions or not.. | 00:50 |
| nikolam | How should I recognise it is using it | 00:50 |
| nikolam | What Gui do you use for it? | 00:51 |
| nikolam | stdin, : Is virtualbox as fast as vmware? | 00:54 |
| stdin | nikolam: yeah it's as fast, it's also open source ;) | 00:55 |
| RAOF | At least the open-source version is :) | 00:55 |
| RAOF | nikolam: If the window says "qemu/kvm", then it's using the vm extensions. If it just says "qemu", then it's not. | 00:56 |
| RAOF | nikolam: You can also tell by the speed, of course :) | 00:56 |
| nikolam | I installed Virtualbox GUI 1.5.0_OSE taht`s it? | 00:56 |
| macogw | nikolam: faster :) | 00:56 |
| macogw | how are the default apps in ubuntu decided? | 00:57 |
| macogw | i dont think they're all gnome-default | 00:57 |
| RAOF | Consensus, generally. Although it starts with gnome-default, and moves on from there. | 00:57 |
| macogw | i know ff instead of epiphany is a break from gnome | 00:57 |
| nikolam | I am runing on Qemulator and it displays just qemu :( I have kvm_amd loaded | 00:57 |
| macogw | so if i wanted to suggest a different default music player, i'd put it in a blueprint, then? | 00:58 |
| macogw | because exaile is really nice | 00:58 |
| RAOF | macogw: You'd probably want to hit the mailing list, I think. | 00:58 |
| macogw | which'n? | 00:58 |
| RAOF | macogw: "Really nice" is, in my experience, *extremely* variable person-to-person :) | 00:58 |
| RAOF | macogw: Probably ubuntu-devel-discuss. | 00:58 |
| macogw | heh | 00:58 |
| macogw | it's like amarok but gtk+ | 00:59 |
| RAOF | Which to me translates as "unnecessarily complex", but gtk+ :P | 00:59 |
| macogw | haha | 00:59 |
| hydrogen | and translates to me as "silly" | 00:59 |
| macogw | well banshee doesnt notice if you add music to a watched directory if its not ripped using banshee | 01:00 |
| RAOF | With the exception of (workning) gapless playback and cd-ripping, rhythmbox is my dream music player. | 01:00 |
| macogw | and songbird doesnt monitor directories recursively or do artwork | 01:00 |
| RAOF | macogw: So what's wrong with rhythmbox? | 01:00 |
| RAOF | Which does both of those things :) | 01:00 |
| * macogw goes to look at rhythmbox for the first time since dapper | 01:01 | |
| RAOF | macogw: Since rhythmbox is Gnome default, that's what you'll need to be positioning exaile against, at least initially. | 01:02 |
| macogw | ok rhythmbox has improved | 01:03 |
| RAOF | _Yes_ | 01:03 |
| macogw | id have to see if exaile works on fresh iPods then | 01:03 |
| macogw | rhythmbox doesnt | 01:03 |
| macogw | if the db has been set up already, rhythmbox supposedly can sync iPods | 01:03 |
| macogw | when i plugged in my brother's brand new one that didnt have the db set up yet though, amarok was needed for the initial db creation | 01:04 |
| RAOF | Yeah, I've always used banshee for my ipod syncing. | 01:05 |
| mphill | if i upgrade will i break my X? It wants to remove xclock, etc... | 01:05 |
| RAOF | mphill: Probably not. xclock etc are now in x11-utils, or whatever it's called. | 01:06 |
| macogw | it *transferred* music to the iPod, and you could see the music if you looked with Rhythmbox later, but the iPod didn't show any music anywhere | 01:06 |
| RAOF | Ah, yeah. No DB for you! | 01:06 |
| hydrogen | well | 01:07 |
| hydrogen | thats probably because | 01:08 |
| hydrogen | it was one of the new ipods | 01:08 |
| hydrogen | which apple decided to break | 01:08 |
| macogw | hydrogen: not new, new | 01:08 |
| macogw | it was in june | 01:09 |
| macogw | amarok worked fine, rhythmbox failed | 01:09 |
| macogw | RAOF: you're right, rhythmbox is now much nicer than it was in 2006, and its way of handing DAAP beats exaile. not sure about iPods though. i dont have one to test out exaile with | 01:25 |
| macogw | RAOF: correction, equal on DAAP. so its just ipods | 01:28 |
| RAOF | macogw: Which makes the argument for exaile a little weak :) | 01:29 |
| macogw | yeah, unless it handles ipods properly | 01:30 |
| macogw | i usually remove rhythmbox as soon as i install because last time i tried it was when dapper came out, and it sucked | 01:30 |
| RAOF | It now rocks. And like the rest of (the proper) gtk+ apps, it supports find-as-you-type. | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | woot | 01:34 |
| * Hobbsee likes that about the gnome stuff | 01:34 | |
| RAOF | It's one of the big things I miss on windows. | 01:35 |
| RAOF | That and the file dialogs :) | 01:35 |
| macogw | RAOF: huh? | 01:44 |
| RAOF | macogw: When the library list has focus, start typing a song name. When the artist browser has focus, start typing an artist name, etc. | 01:45 |
| macogw | i meant the file dialogs in windows | 01:45 |
| macogw | what about them? | 01:45 |
| RAOF | I miss the GTK file dialogs on windows. | 01:46 |
| RAOF | And the find-as | 01:46 |
| macogw | how did they differ? | 01:46 |
| RAOF | -you-type. | 01:46 |
| RAOF | macogw: Well, the windows file dialogs aren't gtk file dialogs :) | 01:46 |
| macogw | ok...what was nice about windows' file dialogs? | 01:46 |
| RAOF | Um. No. I like the gtk ones better. I don't like the windows ones, when I'm forced to use windows :) | 01:47 |
| macogw | oooo ok | 01:47 |
| macogw | i read "I miss the GTK file dialogs on windows." as you missing windows' version of the gtk+ dialogs...like gtk apps use different dialogs on windows than on linux | 01:48 |
| RAOF | Ah. I miss the GTK file dialogs _when I use_ windows :) | 01:49 |
| macogw | gotcha | 01:50 |
| macogw | i miss "set above" and virtual desktops when i use windows | 01:50 |
| RAOF | That too. | 01:50 |
| macogw | "set above" is actually more useful than virtual desktops, i think | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee | waht's set above? | 01:51 |
| macogw | Hobbsee: you can make a window stay on top even when the one behind it has focus | 01:51 |
| RAOF | It depends on what I'm doing. I'll generally have a desktop for each hacking project I'm working on currently, and one for email/im/irc/etc. | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | macogw: ah, right, yes. | 01:51 |
| macogw | i would find it useful if i could read the directions from outlook while working in a maximized firefox | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | indeed | 01:52 |
| RAOF | Or have an on-top IM window while googling for instructions, or... | 01:52 |
| homerhomer | I wish Hardy would have some nice video chat with Pidgin, especially since most new laptops have a camera built in now | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | feel free to contribute patches to pidgin | 02:41 |
| Hobbsee | or tell the pidgin devs that. | 02:41 |
| homerhomer | I have to figure out a way to help out | 02:42 |
| homerhomer | I hate to say it but, I bet the pidgin devs could get a quit a bit of donations if they setup a plan | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | go talk to them about it, i suspect they're not in this room :) | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | bottom of http://www.pidgin.im/about/ looks interesting | 02:43 |
| homerhomer | there is a pidgin room and the the title reads "Pidgin does NOT support voice or video" | 02:44 |
| homerhomer | :( | 02:44 |
| homerhomer | isn't there a donation website for things like this? | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | well, find out why they dont support them | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | you can donate to ubuntu itself, if you wish | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | but that's not pidgin directly | 02:47 |
| RAOF | You could also see if Telepathy (and the Empathy frontend) does what you want, too. | 02:53 |
| RAOF | That currently has some sort of voice+video support. | 02:53 |
| RAOF | It's under consideration for inclusion in Gnome 2.22, and so we may end up shipping it by default instead of pidgin. Possibly. | 02:55 |
| tim | hi | 03:44 |
| tim | who is on duty today? | 03:44 |
| cowbud | duty? | 03:45 |
| cowbud | hrmm | 03:45 |
| tim | are u on duty ? | 03:47 |
| Hobbsee | duty for what/ | 03:50 |
| tim | duty to talk and promote OPEN source ? | 03:54 |
| tim | can u talk open source ? | 03:54 |
| Toma- | ... | 03:55 |
| Toma- | i think youre looking for #ubuntu-offtopic | 03:55 |
| derekS | Toma-: you are here too :) | 04:19 |
| Toma- | Indeedy | 04:19 |
| derekS | :) | 04:19 |
| tim | Toms = female | 04:20 |
| tim | !females exist on the interent ! | 04:20 |
| tim | females exist on linux | 04:21 |
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| rockets | Are there actually hardy nightlies yet? | 07:02 |
| Hobbsee | no | 07:02 |
| cowbud | RARR | 07:03 |
| rockets | so why does the topic say DONT RUN HARDY | 07:06 |
| rockets | how can i run hardy without an iso | 07:06 |
| Tomcat_ | If you know how to access the repos, I guess you can somehow run it. :) | 07:06 |
| rockets | aha so you can dist-upgrade to it | 07:07 |
| rockets | that sounds like a super-bad idea | 07:07 |
| rockets | haha | 07:07 |
| Hobbsee | rockets: that would fall into the last block of questions in the topic. | 07:10 |
| rockets | i just wanted to load it up in vmware | 07:12 |
| * scizzo- thinks about the use of term "development" in this discussion | 07:14 | |
| rockets | god amn it | 07:15 |
| rockets | im not saying i want to do it in production | 07:15 |
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| Grumpy | Hello ;) im unsing the pre alpha of ubuntu hardy. my xorg is still broken if i want to dist-upgrade. so wath can i so? | 13:33 |
| Grumpy | so = do | 13:33 |
| Toma- | you can read the topic :) | 13:33 |
| compwiz18 | or you can sudo apt-get install xorg | 13:33 |
| compwiz18 | ^^^ worked for me (c) | 13:34 |
| Grumpy | it dont help ^^ | 13:34 |
| * compwiz18 points at topic... | 13:36 | |
| Grumpy | Toma-: listen till the pre alpha of feisty im using ALWAYS Unstable things og ubuntu. and now i just need help how to fix that problem. | 13:37 |
| Hobbsee | Grumpy: if you need to ask for help, you probably don't want to be running it. | 13:43 |
| Grumpy | i dont know way you wont understand it. i know that this is unstable. i just need help. If you cant help me just shut up! | 13:44 |
| roe | Grumpy, you need to be much more descriptive about your problem, "xorg is broken" is so far from helpful it brings into question your ability to manipulate gnu/linux in any competent way | 13:46 |
| roe | thus prompting snide remarks from this channel | 13:46 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 13:49 |
| scizzo- | Hobbsee: did you use your jedi force again? | 13:49 |
| Hobbsee | nope! | 13:49 |
| scizzo- | Hobbsee: bad Hobbsee! | 13:49 |
| scizzo- | ;) | 13:50 |
| scizzo- | Hobbsee: just kidding mate | 13:50 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 13:51 |
| scizzo- | hmmm....question about the hardy development...just out of curiosity.....is there more work being done from xorg and ubuntu point of view with using dual monitors and so on? (or will be?) | 13:52 |
| scizzo- | I mean...if there are any plans for it... | 13:52 |
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| derekS | hi all. i was wondering if the evo in hardy comes compiled with support for google calendars? i can't seem to get the functionality to work | 14:35 |
| rhalff_ | hi I'm wondering whether logrotate should use 'reload' instead 'restart' for apache: http://rafb.net/p/1u0DEj34.html | 14:46 |
| rhalff_ | If so I would like to write a ticket for this. | 14:46 |
| rhalff_ | Because I have a passphrase protected ssl key, my apache will hang during this restart, waiting for me to input the passphrase. | 14:47 |
| rhalff_ | with reload there would be no problem, it just reloads without any questions. | 14:47 |
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| bardyr | a kernel update is coming before the first alpha? | 15:10 |
| Laser87 | Hi! | 16:42 |
| Pici | hi? | 16:44 |
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| desrt | anyone having their hardy X server crash on intel? | 19:39 |
| jussio1 | desrt: /topic ... | 19:50 |
| desrt | home of X breakage, eh? :) | 19:50 |
| desrt | argggggh | 19:51 |
| desrt | apt-get dist-upgrade + updatedb + trackerd = my laptop is dead | 19:51 |
| jussio1 | desrt: sigh... why are you using hardy so early? | 19:52 |
| desrt | sometimes i wonder :) | 19:52 |
| jussio1 | desrt: I wouldnt use hardy at least until the first milestone comes out, and even then its going to break... | 19:53 |
| desrt | this much i understand | 19:53 |
| desrt | but at the same time gutsy is a mess and i want to fix some of that | 19:53 |
| jussio1 | desrt: you are not going to fix anything by running hardy so early - run it virtualised maybe... | 19:55 |
| * desrt has different ideas :) | 19:56 | |
| desrt | are ati/nvidia affected by this X brokenness as well? | 20:00 |
| * desrt just switched from intel to i810 driver and everything seems to be peachy | 20:00 | |
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| mirak | hi | 23:09 |
| javaJake | Is there a list somewhere that tells me what kernel options Ubuntu uses by default? | 23:34 |
| RAOF | /boot/2.6.22-14-generic.config? | 23:36 |
| RAOF | You can also grab them from the running kernel - it's somewhere under /proc. | 23:36 |
| RAOF | Or possibly /sys | 23:36 |
| javaJake | Thanks | 23:37 |
| javaJake | Augh | 23:37 |
| javaJake | That's the answer I was looking for. :P | 23:37 |
| RAOF | crimsun: Oh, yeah! pulseaudio 0.9.7 fixes my annoying volume-locked-at-100% problem! | 23:41 |
| Tomcat_ | RAOF: PulseAudio default in Ubuntu already? | 23:42 |
| RAOF | No. | 23:42 |
| Tomcat_ | :-| | 23:42 |
| RAOF | But it's been installable for ages, and I've been using it on and off since Feisty | 23:42 |
| javaJake | RAOF, what does "=m" mean? Manual? Off? | 23:47 |
| javaJake | Can that be turned on at boot? | 23:47 |
| RAOF | module | 23:47 |
| RAOF | Almost everything will be built as a module. | 23:48 |
| javaJake | I need certain modules to be loaded at boot in order to read my firewire drive, where everything is installed. :/ | 23:48 |
| javaJake | RAOF, oh, forgot, this isn't Hardy Heron, but I figured someone knowledgeable would be here. | 23:49 |
| javaJake | However, since it is OT, can I PM you with questions? | 23:49 |
| RAOF | You want to add those modules to your initrd, then. I'm not sure how to do that, though. | 23:49 |
| RAOF | I'll not be much use in PM :) | 23:49 |
| RAOF | You might want to look at the update-initramfs scripts. | 23:50 |
| javaJake | OK | 23:50 |
| javaJake | This is in a LiveCD, btw | 23:51 |
| javaJake | So... not sure if I can reconfigure another installation's initrd. :P | 23:51 |
| RAOF | By running update-initramfs -u | 23:51 |
| javaJake | OK, sicne i'll be modifying some kernel options, I bet I'll need to recompile too, right? :/ | 23:53 |
| RAOF | No. | 23:53 |
| javaJake | Oh | 23:53 |
| RAOF | You're not modifying kernel options, you're adding some modules to the ramdisk that's loaded first in the boot process | 23:54 |
| RAOF | By adding the firewire (ieee1349 or something) modules there, your kernel will be able to mount the firewire drive as / and move on from there. | 23:54 |
| javaJake | OK | 23:55 |
| javaJake | So, I merely change those to Y, tell update-initramfs "here's the configuration, here's where to store" or whatever, and we're all happy? :P | 23:55 |
| RAOF | No. You're not touching the kernel config file. You want to work out where update-initramfs determines what modules to add to the initrd, and then add the modules you need to that list. | 23:56 |
| javaJake | OK | 23:57 |
| javaJake | Well, I'll go and discover that said file | 23:57 |
| RAOF | Oh. | 23:58 |
| RAOF | /etc/initramfs-tools/modules :) | 23:58 |
| javaJake | Thanks! | 23:59 |
| javaJake | Woo! | 23:59 |
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