=== macd_ is now known as macd [00:29] Hi [00:29] I need advice regarding testing Hardy [00:29] What Virtual Machine/virtualization software should I use [00:29] I have Amd X2 Cpu with Virtualization extensions [00:30] What should be fastest and best for testing virtualization progremme? [00:35] nikolam: any of them should do, I recommend virtualbox or vmware [00:41] I like kvm. That's got the advantage of being all-free. [00:41] And it's pretty fast with the VM extensions. I should probably see about backporting Hardy's kvm to gutsy, actually. [00:50] RAOF, I never managed to know if kvm is using my cpu`s VM extensions or not.. [00:50] How should I recognise it is using it [00:51] What Gui do you use for it? [00:54] stdin, : Is virtualbox as fast as vmware? [00:55] nikolam: yeah it's as fast, it's also open source ;) [00:55] At least the open-source version is :) [00:56] nikolam: If the window says "qemu/kvm", then it's using the vm extensions. If it just says "qemu", then it's not. [00:56] nikolam: You can also tell by the speed, of course :) [00:56] I installed Virtualbox GUI 1.5.0_OSE taht`s it? [00:56] nikolam: faster :) [00:57] how are the default apps in ubuntu decided? [00:57] i dont think they're all gnome-default [00:57] Consensus, generally. Although it starts with gnome-default, and moves on from there. [00:57] i know ff instead of epiphany is a break from gnome [00:57] I am runing on Qemulator and it displays just qemu :( I have kvm_amd loaded [00:58] so if i wanted to suggest a different default music player, i'd put it in a blueprint, then? [00:58] because exaile is really nice [00:58] macogw: You'd probably want to hit the mailing list, I think. [00:58] which'n? [00:58] macogw: "Really nice" is, in my experience, *extremely* variable person-to-person :) [00:58] macogw: Probably ubuntu-devel-discuss. [00:58] heh [00:59] it's like amarok but gtk+ [00:59] Which to me translates as "unnecessarily complex", but gtk+ :P [00:59] haha [00:59] and translates to me as "silly" [01:00] well banshee doesnt notice if you add music to a watched directory if its not ripped using banshee [01:00] With the exception of (workning) gapless playback and cd-ripping, rhythmbox is my dream music player. [01:00] and songbird doesnt monitor directories recursively or do artwork [01:00] macogw: So what's wrong with rhythmbox? [01:00] Which does both of those things :) [01:01] * macogw goes to look at rhythmbox for the first time since dapper [01:02] macogw: Since rhythmbox is Gnome default, that's what you'll need to be positioning exaile against, at least initially. [01:03] ok rhythmbox has improved [01:03] _Yes_ [01:03] id have to see if exaile works on fresh iPods then [01:03] rhythmbox doesnt [01:03] if the db has been set up already, rhythmbox supposedly can sync iPods [01:04] when i plugged in my brother's brand new one that didnt have the db set up yet though, amarok was needed for the initial db creation [01:05] Yeah, I've always used banshee for my ipod syncing. [01:05] if i upgrade will i break my X? It wants to remove xclock, etc... [01:06] mphill: Probably not. xclock etc are now in x11-utils, or whatever it's called. [01:06] it *transferred* music to the iPod, and you could see the music if you looked with Rhythmbox later, but the iPod didn't show any music anywhere [01:06] Ah, yeah. No DB for you! [01:07] well [01:08] thats probably because [01:08] it was one of the new ipods [01:08] which apple decided to break [01:08] hydrogen: not new, new [01:09] it was in june [01:09] amarok worked fine, rhythmbox failed [01:25] RAOF: you're right, rhythmbox is now much nicer than it was in 2006, and its way of handing DAAP beats exaile. not sure about iPods though. i dont have one to test out exaile with [01:28] RAOF: correction, equal on DAAP. so its just ipods [01:29] macogw: Which makes the argument for exaile a little weak :) [01:30] yeah, unless it handles ipods properly [01:30] i usually remove rhythmbox as soon as i install because last time i tried it was when dapper came out, and it sucked [01:31] It now rocks. And like the rest of (the proper) gtk+ apps, it supports find-as-you-type. [01:34] woot [01:34] * Hobbsee likes that about the gnome stuff [01:35] It's one of the big things I miss on windows. [01:35] That and the file dialogs :) [01:44] RAOF: huh? [01:45] macogw: When the library list has focus, start typing a song name. When the artist browser has focus, start typing an artist name, etc. [01:45] i meant the file dialogs in windows [01:45] what about them? [01:46] I miss the GTK file dialogs on windows. [01:46] And the find-as [01:46] how did they differ? [01:46] -you-type. [01:46] macogw: Well, the windows file dialogs aren't gtk file dialogs :) [01:46] ok...what was nice about windows' file dialogs? [01:47] Um. No. I like the gtk ones better. I don't like the windows ones, when I'm forced to use windows :) [01:47] oooo ok [01:48] i read "I miss the GTK file dialogs on windows." as you missing windows' version of the gtk+ dialogs...like gtk apps use different dialogs on windows than on linux [01:49] Ah. I miss the GTK file dialogs _when I use_ windows :) [01:50] gotcha [01:50] i miss "set above" and virtual desktops when i use windows [01:50] That too. [01:50] "set above" is actually more useful than virtual desktops, i think [01:51] waht's set above? [01:51] Hobbsee: you can make a window stay on top even when the one behind it has focus [01:51] It depends on what I'm doing. I'll generally have a desktop for each hacking project I'm working on currently, and one for email/im/irc/etc. [01:51] macogw: ah, right, yes. [01:51] i would find it useful if i could read the directions from outlook while working in a maximized firefox [01:52] indeed [01:52] Or have an on-top IM window while googling for instructions, or... [02:40] I wish Hardy would have some nice video chat with Pidgin, especially since most new laptops have a camera built in now [02:41] feel free to contribute patches to pidgin [02:41] or tell the pidgin devs that. [02:42] I have to figure out a way to help out [02:43] I hate to say it but, I bet the pidgin devs could get a quit a bit of donations if they setup a plan [02:43] go talk to them about it, i suspect they're not in this room :) [02:43] bottom of http://www.pidgin.im/about/ looks interesting [02:44] there is a pidgin room and the the title reads "Pidgin does NOT support voice or video" [02:44] :( [02:44] isn't there a donation website for things like this? [02:47] well, find out why they dont support them [02:47] you can donate to ubuntu itself, if you wish [02:47] but that's not pidgin directly [02:53] You could also see if Telepathy (and the Empathy frontend) does what you want, too. [02:53] That currently has some sort of voice+video support. [02:55] It's under consideration for inclusion in Gnome 2.22, and so we may end up shipping it by default instead of pidgin. Possibly. [03:44] hi [03:44] who is on duty today? [03:45] duty? [03:45] hrmm [03:47] are u on duty ? [03:50] duty for what/ [03:54] duty to talk and promote OPEN source ? [03:54] can u talk open source ? [03:55] ... [03:55] i think youre looking for #ubuntu-offtopic [04:19] Toma-: you are here too :) [04:19] Indeedy [04:19] :) [04:20] Toms = female [04:20] !females exist on the interent ! [04:21] females exist on linux === Tomcat_` is now known as Tomcat_ [07:02] Are there actually hardy nightlies yet? [07:02] no [07:03] RARR [07:06] so why does the topic say DONT RUN HARDY [07:06] how can i run hardy without an iso [07:06] If you know how to access the repos, I guess you can somehow run it. :) [07:07] aha so you can dist-upgrade to it [07:07] that sounds like a super-bad idea [07:07] haha [07:10] rockets: that would fall into the last block of questions in the topic. [07:12] i just wanted to load it up in vmware [07:14] * scizzo- thinks about the use of term "development" in this discussion [07:15] god amn it [07:15] im not saying i want to do it in production === m1ke is now known as mike_sleeping === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde === HM2 is now known as HM2K === marko-_-_ is now known as marko-_- [13:33] Hello ;) im unsing the pre alpha of ubuntu hardy. my xorg is still broken if i want to dist-upgrade. so wath can i so? [13:33] so = do [13:33] you can read the topic :) [13:33] or you can sudo apt-get install xorg [13:34] ^^^ worked for me (c) [13:34] it dont help ^^ [13:36] * compwiz18 points at topic... [13:37] Toma-: listen till the pre alpha of feisty im using ALWAYS Unstable things og ubuntu. and now i just need help how to fix that problem. [13:43] Grumpy: if you need to ask for help, you probably don't want to be running it. [13:44] i dont know way you wont understand it. i know that this is unstable. i just need help. If you cant help me just shut up! [13:46] Grumpy, you need to be much more descriptive about your problem, "xorg is broken" is so far from helpful it brings into question your ability to manipulate gnu/linux in any competent way [13:46] thus prompting snide remarks from this channel [13:49] haha [13:49] Hobbsee: did you use your jedi force again? [13:49] nope! [13:49] Hobbsee: bad Hobbsee! [13:50] ;) [13:50] Hobbsee: just kidding mate [13:51] :) [13:52] hmmm....question about the hardy development...just out of curiosity.....is there more work being done from xorg and ubuntu point of view with using dual monitors and so on? (or will be?) [13:52] I mean...if there are any plans for it... === crdlb_ is now known as crdlb === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [14:35] hi all. i was wondering if the evo in hardy comes compiled with support for google calendars? i can't seem to get the functionality to work [14:46] hi I'm wondering whether logrotate should use 'reload' instead 'restart' for apache: http://rafb.net/p/1u0DEj34.html [14:46] If so I would like to write a ticket for this. [14:47] Because I have a passphrase protected ssl key, my apache will hang during this restart, waiting for me to input the passphrase. [14:47] with reload there would be no problem, it just reloads without any questions. === gnomefre1k is now known as gnomefreak [15:10] a kernel update is coming before the first alpha? [16:42] Hi! [16:44] hi? === marko-_-_ is now known as marko-_- === m1ke is now known as m1ke_outTOlunch [19:39] anyone having their hardy X server crash on intel? [19:50] desrt: /topic ... [19:50] home of X breakage, eh? :) [19:51] argggggh [19:51] apt-get dist-upgrade + updatedb + trackerd = my laptop is dead [19:52] desrt: sigh... why are you using hardy so early? [19:52] sometimes i wonder :) [19:53] desrt: I wouldnt use hardy at least until the first milestone comes out, and even then its going to break... [19:53] this much i understand [19:53] but at the same time gutsy is a mess and i want to fix some of that [19:55] desrt: you are not going to fix anything by running hardy so early - run it virtualised maybe... [19:56] * desrt has different ideas :) [20:00] are ati/nvidia affected by this X brokenness as well? [20:00] * desrt just switched from intel to i810 driver and everything seems to be peachy === m1ke_outTOlunch is now known as m1ke === m1ke is now known as m|ke === m|ke is now known as m1ke [23:09] hi [23:34] Is there a list somewhere that tells me what kernel options Ubuntu uses by default? [23:36] /boot/2.6.22-14-generic.config? [23:36] You can also grab them from the running kernel - it's somewhere under /proc. [23:36] Or possibly /sys [23:37] Thanks [23:37] Augh [23:37] That's the answer I was looking for. :P [23:41] crimsun: Oh, yeah! pulseaudio 0.9.7 fixes my annoying volume-locked-at-100% problem! [23:42] RAOF: PulseAudio default in Ubuntu already? [23:42] No. [23:42] :-| [23:42] But it's been installable for ages, and I've been using it on and off since Feisty [23:47] RAOF, what does "=m" mean? Manual? Off? [23:47] Can that be turned on at boot? [23:47] module [23:48] Almost everything will be built as a module. [23:48] I need certain modules to be loaded at boot in order to read my firewire drive, where everything is installed. :/ [23:49] RAOF, oh, forgot, this isn't Hardy Heron, but I figured someone knowledgeable would be here. [23:49] However, since it is OT, can I PM you with questions? [23:49] You want to add those modules to your initrd, then. I'm not sure how to do that, though. [23:49] I'll not be much use in PM :) [23:50] You might want to look at the update-initramfs scripts. [23:50] OK [23:51] This is in a LiveCD, btw [23:51] So... not sure if I can reconfigure another installation's initrd. :P [23:51] By running update-initramfs -u [23:53] OK, sicne i'll be modifying some kernel options, I bet I'll need to recompile too, right? :/ [23:53] No. [23:53] Oh [23:54] You're not modifying kernel options, you're adding some modules to the ramdisk that's loaded first in the boot process [23:54] By adding the firewire (ieee1349 or something) modules there, your kernel will be able to mount the firewire drive as / and move on from there. [23:55] OK [23:55] So, I merely change those to Y, tell update-initramfs "here's the configuration, here's where to store" or whatever, and we're all happy? :P [23:56] No. You're not touching the kernel config file. You want to work out where update-initramfs determines what modules to add to the initrd, and then add the modules you need to that list. [23:57] OK [23:57] Well, I'll go and discover that said file [23:58] Oh. [23:58] /etc/initramfs-tools/modules :) [23:59] Thanks! [23:59] Woo!