[00:00] [sudo] Password for jjesse: [00:01] Speaking of that [00:02] why does the command line echo back to me the first command I type in ? [00:09] * nixternal starts his hardy dist-upgrade on the laptop [00:09] any final words? :) [00:10] did you sacrifice the ceremonial goat to tux before you started? [00:11] How many things can I find wrong with that question? [00:11] I ate the goat, sorry tux :p [00:11] he's getting a bit chubby anyway :p [00:12] Ha ha [00:27] uhh Hardy [00:27] is it possible to upgrade with a cryptsetup encryption now? [00:37] Riddell: we can look through them and perhaps find one [00:42] kwwii: any idea on when they will release those? there are a few wallpapers I want to use now :) [00:42] * DaSkreech moans and complains to kwwii [00:42] :-) [00:43] nixternal: sometime soon, not sure when [00:43] groovy, thanks [00:43] kwwii: Why abstract blue? [00:44] DaSkreech: it was a group vote [00:44] no idea, nobody asked me [00:45] * DaSkreech wonders off to bother aseigo [00:45] hmm, I wonder if I can use icecc with pbuilder... [00:48] kwwii: do you have that theme for hardy done already? [00:48] kwwii: cause i've read great stuff about it online :) [00:49] nixternal: how is that upgrade comming/ [00:49] slow [00:49] good luck :) [00:49] pyqt4-dev-tools is broke [00:50] other than that, everything else seems to be going smooth thus far [00:51] wow i can't type tonight, i'm glad google can translate what i mean [00:55] nixternal: sent you a funny picture from my boss [00:55] jjesse: lol [00:55] :) [00:56] rebooting the laptop into hardy [00:56] * nixternal faints from the pressure [00:57] nixternal: relax you know it's going to suck :) [00:57] hahaha, ass [00:57] I was thinking, the next UDS should be in Jamaica! [00:58] then you know we would never get kwwii in any meetings :) [00:58] haha [00:58] nixternal: my company would sponsor it [00:58] he would be tracking dr. feelgood [00:58] nixternal: did my email w/ the picture come thru? [00:58] I can picture it now...."dude, I will draw you a logo, gimme gimme" [00:58] I will check here in one sec [00:59] np [00:59] what kernel is in hardy? [01:00] brb, Chuck is coming on [01:17] http://pastebin.com/m443452ba [01:17] Anyone have a clue why this is happening? [01:17] I have to go cook something if somone has a lead point sailor in #kubuntu to it [01:18] is jucato on yet? i forgot the link to the patch he sent me :( [01:18] or at least when i downloaded it to [01:26] DaSkreech: Will kubuntu have kde4 packages around the time when kde4 is done or is it probably going to take some time? [01:26] CPrgmSwR2: the plan is same day [01:27] cool [01:45] nixternal: how's hardy? [01:45] * ryanakca wonders if he needs to remind him of !installhardy [01:46] i think he's away watching tv [01:46] ah :) [02:10] bug #163716 [02:10] Launchpad bug 163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163716 [02:11] !main [02:11] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource [02:12] does that mean kde4 can now be built? [02:15] CPrgmSwR2: sounds like it [02:15] awsome [02:15] I'm no ubuntu dev so not sure [02:15] nixternal: ping [02:16] KDE 4.0 RC1 is going to be released today, I guess kubuntu will skip the beta4 release, anyone knows about that? [02:17] if the rc builds in gutsy, there should be gutsy packages [02:17] _if_ [02:17] thats after someone sends them to be built [02:18] well I'm trying to build them here to check if they build [02:18] oh okay sorry [02:18] stdin: cool, thanks for the info [02:18] it's taking an age tho, 3 hours for kdelibs :/ [02:19] wow [02:19] is it in the compile stage? [02:19] on a 2.8GHz with 1.5GB RAM [02:19] I can build kdelibs in 30 min [02:19] in a chroot [02:20] must be other processes using that system [02:20] nope, killed just about everything :p [02:20] thats really odd [02:21] what percentage is it at? [02:21] It finished a couple mins ago, kdepimlibs is starting now [02:21] stdin: you building them with pbuilder? [02:21] nixternal: yeah [02:21] stdin: you should have just done 'debuild -nc' in the main directory [02:21] pbuilder takes forever [02:22] nixternal: it's not that show on that machine [02:23] plus it's good to make sure all build-deps are there [02:24] kdelibs just took an inordanate amount of time, kdepimlibs is already at 10% [02:24] stdin: kdebase will probably take just as long [02:25] kdelibs is the worse, followed closely with kdebase [02:25] yeah [02:25] I wish I could compile kdenetwork [02:26] that never works for me either [02:26] hmm [02:30] hardy up and running, dist-upgrade flawless [02:31] interesting [02:45] bobesponja: /topic [02:45] yes, we know about it [02:47] Hobbsee: I know you know, I saw it from the topic, I was just trying to get the link to the bug page :) [02:47] bug 163716 [02:47] Launchpad bug 163716 in soyuz "[regression] ppa does not find packages that were published to !main components, before the component combining" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163716 [02:47] ^ [02:49] stdin: status? [02:49] kdepimlibs 88% [02:49] erm 90% now [02:50] awsome [02:52] I'm glad I decided to use my desktop to compile it, this laptop is only 1.73GHz 500MB RAM, would have taken ages :p [02:52] lol [02:52] and it'd be burning my lap with the heat [02:53] ooh 99% [02:53] Error [02:53] heh 101% :p [02:53] lol [02:54] Ha ha ha ha [02:55] built, starting on kdebase now [02:56] cool [02:56] Doesn't the packages have to be build throuhg the farm to be released though? [02:57] or does it just have to work on the farm system to be released? [02:57] yeah, but I'm seeing if it will build in gutsy at all [02:57] oh [02:58] if all goes well, it can be uploaded to the archives by riddell [02:58] cool [02:58] it should build in gutsy [02:58] stdin: why didn't you throw it at ppa? [02:58] Hobbsee: because i have about 20KB/s upload here [02:59] depending on how my ISP is feeling [02:59] ouch [02:59] ...and? [02:59] Hobbsee: and i'd still be uploading it now [02:59] * Hobbsee has the same. [02:59] yes...and? [03:00] although i agree, better to upload it off another machine. [03:00] and I want my KDE goodness, ok? :p [03:00] Riddell can't upload it any faster or can he? [03:00] in fact, the hardy packages are already there, arent they? [03:00] beta4 [03:00] no, mroe got accepted [03:00] rc1 is now out [03:00] Hobbsee: those are the ones I'm building [03:01] easier to modify it and throw it at ppa, and see if they work [03:01] 3.96,0 [03:01] want me to, or you're happy to stay there? [03:02] depends what's going to happen with the packages, are they going to be in the k-members ppa or in universe? [03:03] k-members for now [03:03] then presumably they'll hit -backports [03:03] they wont go to universe [03:03] wait [03:03] can a script be a member of ppa? [03:03] DaSkreech: uhh? [03:04] Hobbsee: well I don't have access to k-members so you'd have to upload anyway [03:04] oh, i thoguth you were a member [03:04] Hobbsee: I'm thinking of the hardy life cycle we want to have weekly builds of KDE for 4.0 -> 4.1 [03:04] I missed the meeting :p [03:05] DaSkreech: if someone does it, that'd be nice [03:05] Hobbsee: I was going to apply at the next kubuntu meeting, but there hasn't been one so [03:05] can we have a script do svn pulls and upload them to ppa then build a new repo each week? [03:05] stdin: yeah, and we need another one :) [03:08] Hobbsee: I can just join beta ppa now? [03:08] DaSkreech: probably [03:09] Hobbsee: if you want to upload you'll have to dget from launchpadlibrarian.net as they don't seem to be in the repos yet [03:10] Hobbsee: and, lucky for you, I made a script just for such an occasion http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45172/plain/ ;) [03:10] and it's in ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk [03:11] nice [03:12] you just pass it the launchpadlibrarian URL of the .dsc and it does the work of dget fot you [03:12] so, we go kde4libs, kdepimlibs, kdebase-workspace, kdebase? [03:13] yep, and kdebase-runtime [03:13] oh, that's what i meant. got it [03:14] hobbsee@orko:~$ ./dget-lp [03:14] -bash: ./dget-lp: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [03:14] odd... [03:15] the site's using DOS line-endings it seems [03:15] you need dos2unix [03:15] ahh. it's not my machine. [03:15] apt-get [03:15] I think the package is fromdos [03:16] Hobbsee: or just "wget http://stdin.me.uk/code/dget-lp" :) [03:17] errrr... [03:17] odd. [03:21] bah. [03:21] * Hobbsee reuploads [03:25] * Hobbsee ponders sparky [03:30] huh [03:31] now why does kdelibs5-dev conflict with kdelibs4-dev [03:31] oh, hang on. i uploaded them to my own ppa. [03:32] that can't be right, can it? [03:33] kde4 packages should not conflict with kde 3 packages [03:33] libs should. [03:33] i think [03:33] how are we suppose to run konversation with kde4 installed? [03:33] but the kde4 packages have their own root /usr/lib/kde4 [03:33] oh, hang on. perhaps not [03:35] and it's only the -dev package that conflicts with the kde3 version of the -dev package [03:40] anyone feel like updating QScintilla in our repos (main) to 2.1 instead of the outdated unsupported 1.7? [03:53] * Hobbsee gives up, as it refuses to behave. [04:04] Spank it [04:15] wo0t...now websites know I am running Kubuntu again [04:15] that was broke in gutsy, but works in hardy === Hobbsee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 out, you all rock! | Merge away: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | KDE4 Beta 4 packages delayed because of Personal Package Archive build issues === Hobbsee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 out, you all rock! | Merge away: http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html | KDE4 RC1 packages in progress [04:40] * Jucato stretches and looks around... [04:40] hiya Jucato! [04:41] hi Hobbsee! :) [04:41] how's everything in here? :) [04:42] exploded! [04:42] :P [04:42] I'm surprised my last post hasn't drawn in the reactions I expected (yet) [04:43] * Hobbsee opens up akregator [04:43] bwahaha :P [04:43] I guess I did a good job of subtly burying that piece of info underneath more "important" stuff :) [04:44] * Hobbsee reads it [04:44] no, i just dont have akregator opening by default anymore [04:44] no, not you :) [04:44] the rest of the world :P [04:44] * Jucato wonders if Hobbsee will "see" what info he was referring to :) [04:50] nice post [04:50] thanks :) [04:50] Jucato: btw, we're demanded to have winfoss stuff. [04:51] phooey! [04:51] :( [04:52] isn't that going to be a problem if we plan to ship KDE4 Edu stuff for Hardy? [04:52] no idea [04:52] iirc we already had space problems last time... (feisty?) [04:52] we were for gutsy [04:52] oh boy... :( [05:08] don't you just love when you spend an hour writing a pyqt4 app, but aren't paying attention to your current dir, and you rm -rf * [05:09] yeah. [05:09] although i tend to do that on ssh hosts [05:09] lol [05:09] when i login, thinking it was screen -R [05:09] * nixternal notes to not give Hobbsee ssh access [05:09] that's why I like zsh, i can type "rm -rf *" and it expands it [05:09] nixternal: i only rm the homedir, though [05:09] stdin: my bash does that too :) [05:09] thanks to sharms and his bash hacks from Novell [05:10] nixternal: I also like the aspect of doing "cd /h/s/b/c/k" doing "cd /home/stdin/build/code/kde" :) [05:10] stdin: how different is zsh from bash? I have seen a lot of killer features [05:10] like that^ [05:10] in zsh? [05:10] sebas I think just posted some funkdafied zsh scripting [05:10] yeah [05:10] i've been thinking about playing around with it [05:10] oh, now that is sweet [05:11] * Jucato wants to try out zsh and fish... [05:11] hi nixternal! hi stdin! [05:11] also when there is more than one thing it can complete to you can tab through the options (as well as see a list) [05:11] wo0t, I just built debian's qscintilla2 :) [05:11] hey-ya Jucato :) [05:12] I have 1 debian box building some kde4 love, kubuntu building some merges, and foresight mooking yakuake, katapult, kima, krename, semantik, some kdmthemes [05:12] iirc there was a talk in last year's akademy about how you can use zsh to increase your productivity... luckily they "ported" some of those features to the .bashrc script they have at techbase :) [05:12] (the cs and cb functions0 [05:13] I think zsh also has build-in command completion (like bash-completion but actually built-in) [05:14] * Hobbsee wonders what cs and cb do [05:15] cs = change to source dir, cb = change to build dir [05:15] (for building kde4) [05:15] ah, neat [05:17] if you're in kde/src/kelibs/foo/foo/, then enter "cb", you will be teleported to /kde/build/kdelibs/foo/foo/ [05:17] cs KDE/kdebase && svn up && cb && make -j2 VERBOSE=1 && make install [05:18] lovely ain't it? :) [05:18] ah finally she's finnish! [05:18] bbl :) [05:18] er.. s/finnish/finished/ [05:21] heh, Jucato converted some girl to finnish [05:26] dput needs a progress meeter, like: while [ "x$(pgrep dput)" != "x" ]; do echo -e "\r$(readlink /proc/$(pgrep dput)/fd/4): $(cat /proc/$(pgrep dput)/fdinfo/4 |grep pos|awk '{print ($2/10874935)*100"%"}') \c";sleep 1;done [05:27] that shows "/build/kdebase-kde4/kdebase-kde4_3.96.0.orig.tar.gz: 35.2917% " [05:35] oh cool kde4 packaging is in progress [05:35] stdin: how long ago did it start? [05:36] * Hobbsee ponders just addign stdin to the kubuntu-members group temporarily, just so he can upload to there. [05:36] CPrgmSwR2: I just finished uploading it to my ppa [05:37] Hobbsee: I removed the conflicts with kdelibs4-dev for kdelibs5-dev in my package [05:37] stdin: do the files conflict? [05:37] don't see how [05:38] and I've had no problems [05:38] the kde4 prefix isn't /usr anyway, it's /usr/lib/kde4 [05:39] I'll have a better idea when I let apt handle the dependencies from my ppa [05:40] "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" isn't the best way to install [05:40] stdin: kdebase? [05:41] I let kdebase get to 20% then killed it, had a bout of "I can't be bothered to wait another X hours" [05:41] lol [05:41] the launchpad buildd's are faster than my system anyway [05:42] stdin: is launchpad schedualed to build it? [05:43] kde4libs and kdepimlibs Pending (1005) [05:43] I just hope it decides to build kde4libs first [05:43] k [05:43] can I have a link to the launch pad [05:43] if it doesn't then it's a pain :p [05:43] https://launchpad.net/~tsimpson/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all [05:44] its build kde4libs now [05:44] for amd64 [05:45] stdin: if you told me that a couple of mins ago, i could have fixed that. [05:45] CPrgmSwR2: yeah, i poked it. [05:45] no, i poked lpia [05:45] Hobbsee: I only just hit refresh [05:45] it'll just depwait. no great problem [05:45] what is lpai? [05:46] wow, the power of Hobbsee's Long Pointy Stick (TM) never fails to amaze :p [05:46] hehe [05:46] CPrgmSwR2: low powered intel architecture (i think) [05:46] oh [05:46] so I would want i386 since I have althon xp [05:47] you just add the apt repository and apt sorts it out for you [05:47] ah okay [05:47] yeah, i didnt get to pimlibs fast enough. oh well, i'tll depwait, then you can retry it [05:47] I am running kdesvn right now [05:49] well, I know kde4libs and kdepimlibs should build (at least on i386), we'll see how kdebase-{runtime,workspace,kde4} do [05:49] Missing Dependencies: libsoprano-dev (>= 1.97.0~beta4-1) [05:49] your builds failed [05:50] ppa's not looking in -backports [05:50] so another bug? [05:51] stdin: I would be surprised if you get through kdebase rc1 w/o issues actually [05:51] nixternal: there are already issues [05:51] all builds have stopped [05:51] the latest libsoprano we have isn't new enough for kdebase, at least building it in svn it isn't, and hasn't been for a couple of weeks [05:51] ppa doesnt look in backports, i suspec.t [05:52] Hobbsee: it doesn't [05:52] since the changes, though? [05:52] what I do to bypass that, is grab the package from backports and upload it to the ppa [05:52] dang :p [05:53] all these because of the ppa? sweet! :) [05:55] nixternal: yeah, doing that now [05:55] g'nite [05:56] k'night nixternal! [05:56] \o [05:56] (or are you going the way of the g too?) [05:56] hell no [05:57] heheh :) [05:57] ok just double checking :) [06:03] ok, new version of libsoprano uploaded, now we see if that builds and then if kde4libs build, then kdepimlibs, then kdebase-runtime, then kdebase-workspace, then kdebase-kde4 (woah) [06:03] good luck :) [06:04] I think I'll get some more coffee while CPrgmSwR2 wares out his 'F5' button :p [06:04] Already have [06:05] without the power of the "Long Pointy Stick" it will take longer to process... [06:05] thats odd he just left [06:05] he? [06:05] opps sory [06:06] he he <- pun [06:08] LongPointyStick: can you poke the builds for stdin [06:11] LongPointyStick is just a proxy client, for when hobbsee isn't here [06:13] I am suprized they don't give you some kinda build power [06:14] * stdin is a merer mortal and has no poking powers [06:14] he has to pass through the fire first [06:15] (a.k.a. apply for Ubuntu membership... which shouldn't be hard for him anyway) [06:15] I don't want Ubuntu membership [06:15] I want Kubuntu membership :) [06:15] ubuntu kubuntu.... same banana [06:16] the cloaks will be the same :P [06:16] well, not all ubuntu members are kubuntu members, but all kubuntu members are ubuntu members [06:17] pffft :P [06:17] I suck at sets [06:17] that that's probably the most I've had to type "ubuntu" in one sentence too [06:17] Jucato: what are sets [06:17] ? [06:18] heh, now this is funny https://edge.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending [06:18] as in mathematical sets? [06:18] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set [06:19] Jucato: statistics [06:19] boolean algebra [06:19] Jucato: well the kubuntu-members team is a member of the ubuntu-members team, so any kubuntu member is automatically a part of ubuntu-members [06:20] stdin: I know that :) [06:20] * Jucato is just stating the fact that he's not good with sets :) [06:20] Jucato: do you understand arrays? [06:21] isn't a set what badgers live in? [06:22] CPrgmSwR2: don't take me too seriously :) [06:22] no one ever does :p [06:22] I take every seriously :P [06:22] s/every/everyone [06:23] * Jucato is not everyone :) [06:23] although I do belong to the everyone set :P [06:23] Jucato: I wouldn't go that far :P [06:26] does Riddell have poking power [06:27] don't know, I didn't even know hobbsee could poke at the launchad ppa buildd's [06:29] Once the packages are built, are they released then or do you have to tell it to release the packages? [06:29] once it's built it'll then be uploaded to the ppa archive automatically [06:29] tho it can take a little while to get there [06:29] oh so then I can download it through backport [06:30] there is no -backports in ppa's just releases [06:30] so then it will just showup as a normal gutsy package? [06:31] nope, in my ppa [06:31] "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu gutsy main" [06:31] oh then how do they get into backport? [06:32] either that or they'll go in the kubuntu-members ppa, then may be gutsy-backports/universe [06:32] wow the building system must be really busy [06:34] on ppa's it always is, I think there are 3 per architecture (2 for lpia) [06:34] so out of all the users who use ppa's, there are only 8 build systems [06:35] this is more like the normal "non-long-pointy-stick" time it takes to build a package in ppa [06:36] which is why is so annoying when a build fails because you made a typo [06:36] * stdin has done that a few times [06:44] I think its dumb you have to build the packages on that system and that you cannot use your own system [06:44] it's not dumb, it's secure [06:44] oh [06:46] CPrgmSwR2: just because it builds and runs on your system doesn't mean it will on others, so the system most (if not all) distros use is a chroot build system, where the package is build in a clean system [06:47] that way you can be sure that the package will work, and that dependencies are always correct [06:52] stdin: um.. soprano is building last [06:52] because it was uploaded last [06:53] doesn't matter, I have to manually restart kdelibs and kdepimlibs anyway [06:53] they'll all dep-wait on something [06:53] oh [06:57] stdin: so its going to take another hour or so? [06:58] CPrgmSwR2: probably longer, once soprano's built it'll take a few mins to get into my ppa repo, then I can restart kde4libs [07:05] soprano built successfuly [07:06] yep, now just need to wait for it to get in the archive === mars is now known as marseillai === meduxa is now known as toscalix [11:28] hi! === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:49] Hobbsee: the build's still trundling along :) [11:50] heh, thought it might be [11:50] most is build now, after uploading strigi and soprano [11:52] stdin: uploading? [11:52] Riddell: to my ppa yeah, https://edge.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/+archive/+builds?build_text=kde&build_state=all [11:53] it was taking way to long on my desktop, 6 hours and I got up to 20% of kdebase [11:53] kdebase-workspace rather [11:54] Riddell: and how come kdelibs5-dev conflicted with kdelibs4-dev? [11:54] it does? [11:54] it did, until I removed the line [11:54] mm, so it does [11:55] thanks for spotting, I'll fix that [11:55] stdin: I don't see strigi or soprano in your ppa [11:56]