[01:07] <sbalneav> Evening all
[01:18] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[01:26] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!
[02:13] <JoeError> Hello all, I'd like to shoot a quick question at y'all. I'm taking over a small computer lab at the local Y and I'm pretty set on edubuntu. I'm wondering what the best way to remotely administer the entire lab would be? I'm proficient enough to do it all with bash, and what I was ideally hoping for was some way to use bash to make changes to ALL the computers in the lab as simultaneously as possible. Of course I'm not opposed to user
[02:19] <Burgundavia> JoeError: if you are using ltsp, a chnage on the server will affect all the computers
[02:22] <JoeError> ltsp... I'm not familiar with that...
[02:22] <JoeError> I'll look into that
[02:22] <JoeError> beautiful that's exactly what I want
[02:22] <JoeError> thanks
[04:07] <Artemka> nybody already made OO as local application?
[04:16] <sbalneav> Artemka: N
[04:16] <sbalneav> Artemka: No
[04:17] <JoeError> anyone know a way to basically put a "new user" button on the gdm login screen?
[04:20] <sbalneav> you mean to add a user?
[04:20] <JoeError> yeah
[04:21] <JoeError> but I don't want to do it for every user
[04:21] <JoeError> I want the users to be able to do that
[04:21] <JoeError> I'm under the impression I might actually just not have seen the option to do that
[04:21] <sbalneav> No, there's no way to do that.  Adding users is a priviledged operation.  Besides, you probably DON'T want random people creating their own accounts.
[04:22] <sbalneav> You'd very quickly have a box with 1000's of accounts on it :)
[04:23] <JoeError> well it's for a computer lab at the y
[04:23] <JoeError> using old computers
[04:23] <JoeError> as thin clients
[04:24] <JoeError> and I kinda do want them to do that
[04:24] <JoeError> I can't sit there and add all the users
[04:25] <sbalneav> Why not?  The Y's probably got membership cards and a user database of some sort I'd expect, why not simply grab
[04:25] <JoeError> because I seriously doubt they'd let me
[04:25] <sbalneav> an export of that, and create a script to do a bulk add, or some such/
[04:26] <sbalneav> They're probably ALSO not going to want random people off the street being able to walk in and create accounts on the Y's computer systems, either :)
[04:26] <JoeError> well you can't go into the Y as a random person anymore
[04:26] <JoeError> they have to identify themselves as members as soon as they walk in the door
[04:27] <Burgundavia> a better solution is to create a kiosk account
[04:27] <Burgundavia> sbalneav: did you ever finish that pam_rmhomedir?
[04:27] <sbalneav> code was posted, and it worked.
[04:27] <sbalneav> No one ever did anything with it.
[04:28] <sbalneav> guest accounts would be the better way to go.
[04:29] <Burgundavia> if you want to run an uncrippled guest account, you basically need to create and remove home dirs as you go
[08:49] <stgraber> RichEd: What time is the meeting today ?
[08:49] <RichEd> stgraber: not sure .... let me check
[08:50] <RichEd> 12h00 utc
[08:51] <stgraber> ok, I'll probably be there at around 12:15 (starting school again at 12:10)
[08:51] <RichEd> by school ... do you mean university or still final school years ?
[08:52] <stgraber> third and last year of technical school
[08:55] <RichEd> in south africa we do school up to K12 ... then university for degree or technikon for a diploma ... how does your technical school fit into that structure ?
[09:01] <stgraber> hmm, here we have 5 years primary school, then 4 years secondary school, then 3 years of tech school or other kind of school (so we have a maturity), then university or ingineer school
[09:52] <mario> yo
[10:59] <RichEd> ping ogra
[11:04] <RichEd> ping ogra
[12:16] <RichEd> [12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> how long is the meeting?
[12:17] <RichEd> as short as possible ... ogra and i have specs to finish for tomorrow
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> held here or -meeting?
[12:18]  * Kamping_Kaiser will stay up if its RSN and short
[12:18] <RichEd> -meeting
[12:35] <RichEd> [12:35] <RichEd> in #ubuntu-meeting
[13:59] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:29] <bddebian> Heya
[14:31] <pygi> oh noes, bddebian
[14:31] <juliux> hey pygi and bddebian
[14:32] <bddebian> Heh, hi pygi, juliux
[15:01] <theunixgeek> How do I change the color that appears after I log in and before my desktop loads?
[15:05] <sbalneav> theunixgeek: I think that's the desktop colour
[15:05] <sbalneav> check in the desktop preferences, change the colour there.
[15:07] <theunixgeek> sbalneav: I figured out just now that it's actually in /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default :) I'm gonna try it out now.
[15:11] <charlie> hi all
[15:12] <charlie> has anyone tested ltsp on an quad core system
[15:21] <sbalneav> I use ltsp on dual dual-core systems, that close enoug?
[15:32] <charlie_> sbalneav, thanks
[15:32] <charlie_> ogra has replied to me in the ltsp channel
[15:33] <charlie_> stating thatit has been done
[15:33] <sbalneav> Shouldn't really matter HOW many cores your server has.  If Linux supports it, then it should work
[15:39] <charlie_> just for flash support
[15:39] <charlie_> i mean
[16:36] <airjump> hello from europe
[16:40] <airjump> olpc vs. asus eee pc Have someone test the asus eee pc with edubuntu?
[16:41]  * pygi thinks somebody did play with it
[16:41] <pygi> ogra perhaps? :)
[16:41] <pygi> highvoltage: com'on, our ambassador :)
[16:43] <ogra> the triple e pc isnt education related in any way, so no i didnt test it yet, i saw it from a distance though
[16:43] <airjump> What do you think of highvoltage?
[16:44] <airjump> hello pygi?
[16:46] <airjump> 	
[16:47] <pygi> airjump: hey :)
[16:47] <airjump> :->
[16:48] <pygi> airjump: highvoltage is our community ambassador :D
[16:48] <pygi> that's a person :D
[16:48] <airjump> ahhhh OK
[16:49] <pygi> personally, I think OLPC works best with it's own OS :)
[16:49] <airjump> OK
[16:51] <airjump> But i think the asus eee pc is a good alternative for Europe people
[16:52] <pygi> well, send me one, and I'll test it for you :)
[16:52] <airjump> In my environment, there are a lot of the young people they want to have simple PC
[16:52] <airjump> i talk today with the asus hotline in germany
[16:53] <airjump> but asus say in europe the eee pc come at the end of dec.
[16:54] <airjump> 	
[16:56] <airjump> ok i say good bye
[16:57] <ogra> airjump, we have someone looking into the triple e
[16:57] <airjump> yes 8D
[16:57] <ogra> look for "bryce" on #ubuntu-devel
[16:57] <airjump> thanks
[16:58] <ogra> i'm taking care for building an image for the classmate PC so the os setup might be similar (as the HW specs are)
[16:58] <ogra> but as its not edu related it didnt land on my desk
[16:58] <airjump> ok
[17:06] <highvoltage> pygi: heh
[17:06] <highvoltage> pygi: nope, haven't played with Eee yet, but I'll probably get one next year some time :)
[17:12] <airjump> Hi highvoltage i think i will get one next year too i will  the 10°
[17:15] <highvoltage> airjump: the 10?
[17:15] <johnny_> 10 degrees
[17:17] <airjump> sorry not degrees
[17:17] <airjump> the display size
[17:17] <highvoltage> aaaah
[17:17] <highvoltage> yes, I don't know. I guess I'll have to see what's available and what they cost
[17:19] <airjump> yes
[17:20] <highvoltage> airjump: where are you from?
[17:21] <airjump> from germany
[17:21] <airjump> and you
[17:24] <highvoltage> much more south... south africa
[17:24] <airjump> hey cool
[17:25] <airjump> i was 2003 to 2004 in capte town, joburg and swaziland
[17:25] <airjump> 3 weeks
[17:25] <airjump> with german scouts
[17:25] <highvoltage> ah cool. I'm from cape town, on a work trip in johannesburg at the moment.
[17:25] <airjump> cool
[17:26] <highvoltage> where in germany do you stay?
[17:26] <airjump> sorry but a have no old pictures from our trip to south africa
[17:26] <airjump> wait a moment
[17:27] <airjump> you can open the link and finde the town in germany
[17:28] <highvoltage> ah ok
[17:45] <LaserJock> highvoltage: they're selling Eee's here. I'm a bit surprised. They're all sold out of course, but I'm sure they'll get more
[17:47] <highvoltage> LaserJock: yes, seems like it's a big hit
[17:47] <LaserJock> yeah
[17:48] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I love the idea of solid state storafe. hard disks are so clunky, noisy and use a lot of energy
[17:48] <highvoltage> fast "seek" times would also be nice.
[17:48] <LaserJock> I'm worried about speed and that they will wear out quicker
[17:49] <LaserJock> a hard drive is pretty easy to replace
[17:52] <LaserJock> highvoltage: have you had a chance to do anything with the edubuntu.org theme
[17:53] <LaserJock> I've been so busy with school, etc. I haven't been able to do anything
[17:55] <highvoltage> LaserJock: same here, and will be for the next two weeks still. after that, I'll be pretty much free for a month (I can't wait)
[17:56] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I like what Vincint did with the http://www.xubuntu.org site, he gave the old theme a bit of a facelift, while they get the new theme done
[17:56] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I'm going to steal some of his ideas, he said it's fine
[17:58] <juliux> hey LaserJock herman_
[17:58] <juliux> hey LaserJock highvoltage
[17:58] <LaserJock> highvoltage: cool, the Xubuntu site looks pretty decent. Better than it used to
[17:59] <LaserJock> highvoltage: what do you think about making the background white? so it's basically red and white
[17:59] <highvoltage> hey juliux
[18:00] <highvoltage> LaserJock: you mean so that the yellow part is white, from the current edubuntu theme?
[18:09] <LaserJock> highvoltage: yep
[18:10] <LaserJock> highvoltage: do you have the current theme somewhere?
[18:12] <x_or> I am trying to install ubuntu in Brazil.  I downloaded the CD after about ten hours and it looks like it is corrupted.  It does boot into the liveCD mode, and I am actually typing using Ubuntu.  However, the installer will not work, it complains of a disk error.  Does anyone know if I can run the installer manually, perhaps downloading the installer packages via the network connection?
[18:46] <pygi> highvoltage: so you'll get one to me as well? :D
[19:23] <Petaris> Hi all
[19:23] <Petaris> I am setting up an LTSP server and I want to change the defaults for firefox
[19:24] <Petaris> I have an amd64 server but installed a 32 bit firefox in /opt/apps32/firefox
[19:24] <Petaris> I set the settings in the base dir but they are ignored
[19:25] <Petaris> I also tried setting them in /etc/firefox and /usr/share/firefox but still they are ignored
[19:25] <Petaris> Any thoughts on what might cause this?
[19:35] <Petaris> Using Gutsy btw
[20:21] <Petaris> ok, so now its only ignoring my homepage setting
[20:22] <Petaris> anyone have thoughts as to why this might be?
[20:23] <Petaris> I have it set in firefox.js in /etc/firefox/defaults/pref /usr/share/firefox/defaults/pref /opt/apps32/firefox/defaults/pref
[21:05] <Nuba1> hey, which port does tftp work on?
[21:05] <Nuba1> my firewall is blocking it for some reason
[21:05] <johnny_> 69?
[21:06] <johnny_> of course a simple web search could tell you that
[21:06] <Nuba1> tried that no go
[21:06] <johnny_> i found it from a websearch
[21:06] <Nuba1> like I havent done that already
[21:06] <Nuba1> :') obviously its a non standard port
[21:06] <johnny_> first link at "tftp port"
[21:06] <johnny_> says 69
[21:06] <Nuba1> for edubuntu?
[21:06] <johnny_> no, it's a standard port
[21:07] <johnny_> i doubt edubuntu would use a different port
[21:07] <Nuba1> cant be, openned that up and firewall still blocks tftp
[21:07] <johnny_> i'm using ubuntu, i really doubt it'd e different for ubuntu
[21:07] <Nuba1> its got to be another port
[21:07] <johnny_> look in /etc/inetd.conf
[21:07] <Nuba1> ah, good point
[21:07] <Nuba1> its 2000 and 20001 for nbd
[21:07] <Nuba1> 2001
[21:07] <johnny_> yes
[21:09] <johnny_> so what does it say for tftp ?
[21:10] <Nuba1> nothing... but Im trying to unblock udp now too
[21:10] <johnny_> yes.. udp
[21:10] <Nuba1> hmmm unblocked nbd ports and udp+tcp 69 and still blocked
[21:11] <johnny_> firewalls.. lol
[21:12] <Nuba1> ah got it
[21:16] <Nuba1> ah, I hate shorewall
[22:10] <Tailsfan> Hello, Is the server CD the same thing as teh Alt. Installer
[22:11] <Burgundavia> Tailsfan: the same installer, but you get different things
[22:11] <Tailsfan> OK Thanks
[22:11] <Tailsfan> because I'm trying to finish my Ubuntu Collection and I wanted to know If I got teh right image or not
[22:13] <Tailsfan> I now have all the Desktop/Live and Alt. Installer CDs for Gutsy for teh Official Ubuntu Family
[22:14] <Burgundavia> basically, there are two installers
[22:14] <Tailsfan> but I wanted to install the GUI version
[22:14] <Burgundavia> the alternate one is based on the debian-installer and the live one is called Ubiquity, although it uses a lot of logic and code from d-i
[22:14] <Burgundavia> what you install with those installs depends on what cd you get
[22:14] <Burgundavia> the desktop alternate and the desktop live will install the same system, at least for Ubuntu
[22:15] <Burgundavia> for edubuntu I don't actually know, as I have never actually installed Edubunt8
[22:16] <Tailsfan> but I needed the alt. to 1. complete my collection and 2. for whenevr I install it on Virtualization Software
[22:17] <Tailsfan> I wanted to become a Computer Teacher someday myself anyway
[22:19] <Burgundavia> teaching is a lot harder than it seems
[22:19] <Tailsfan> Why, are you a teacher?
[22:20] <Burgundavia> I have taught computer stuff, yes
[22:20] <Burgundavia> I have done a lot of things in my life
[22:20] <Burgundavia> none of them very well
[22:21] <theunixgeek> Hello. I'm following the osdev Bare Bones tutorial for writing a simple kernel. http://www.osdev.org/wiki/Bare_bones I'm a complete noob at this, so please don't assume I know all the terminology you guys do. I'd like to be able to boot the kernel shown in the tutorial in either Bochs or QEMU. How would I go about this?
[22:21] <Burgundavia> theunixgeek: this is also not the correct place to ask
[22:21] <Burgundavia> I suggest you try to osdev mailing list or forums
[22:22] <theunixgeek> Burgundavia: sorry :(
[22:25] <Tailsfan> well, if anything I teach my family on how to use certain functions on a OC
[22:26] <Tailsfan> PC*
[22:26] <Tailsfan> I'm the computer nerd of my family
[22:26] <Burgundavia> family is a great target for adoption
[22:26] <Burgundavia> my brother was my first target
[22:26] <Tailsfan> If anything, I'm installing Edubuntu now so I can help people on the go
[22:40] <pmvalente> please, someone could helpme, I've install edubuntu server and used a thin cliente and evething works good, but my proble is how to put disk space limits to the users?
[22:41] <Burgundavia> pmvalente: quotas
[22:41] <pmvalente> yes I think so.
[22:48] <pmvalente>  please, someone could help me, I've install edubuntu server and used a thin client and evething works good, but my problem is how to put disk space limits to the users? "quotas"
[22:49] <mcfloppy_> yeah
[22:49] <mcfloppy_> i like penplotter ;)
[22:49] <mcfloppy_> cool stuff
[22:49] <mcfloppy_> and so nice outputs
[23:35] <davubunt1> Hello
[23:35] <Burgundavia> hello
[23:36] <davubunt1> I have some questions about edubuntu
[23:36] <pygi> shoot
[23:37] <davubunt1> I am in Nicaragua and I have a friend who would like to find out more about edubuntu because he is a very welthy philanthopist and he runs a group for kids
[23:37] <davubunt1> He has about 2400 kids who he feeds 4 nights per week
[23:37] <davubunt1> and he runss after school programs etc.
[23:37] <davubunt1> I have used ubuntu for a while but I'm no techie
[23:38] <davubunt1> He has about 15 machines set up with pirated windows at the moment
[23:38] <davubunt1> which he tries to educate kids on
[23:38] <davubunt1> He has all the usual problems with Windows
[23:38] <davubunt1> slow, viruses... you know the ones
[23:38] <davubunt1> He is willing to get thinstations in
[23:39] <davubunt1> Can you give me some useful links as to what sort of set up he should look at
[23:39] <davubunt1> I went to the download page but I'm not sure what to give him
[23:40] <davubunt1> Oh it is probably better if the info is available in Spanish too as his current sysadmin doesn't speak english
[23:41] <pygi> ohm :-/
[23:41] <pygi> not  a fun situation
[23:41] <pygi> I dont think edubuntu handbook is translated to spanish
[23:41] <davubunt1> It's fun for the potential
[23:41] <davubunt1> Hmm
[23:41] <davubunt1> He can probably get it translated
[23:41] <davubunt1> He is that sort of guy
[23:43] <davubunt1> If you can just give me links I will give them to him
[23:43] <davubunt1> Maybe I can find a local LUG who can help out
[23:44] <davubunt1> I know Free Software Magazine ran an article about thinstations in an educational environment but it is a bit old now
[23:45] <Burgundavia> pygi: given we have such a huge spanish community, it shouldn't be hard
[23:45] <davubunt1> Well as I said if it's not in Spanish I would not be surprised if he can get some of his volunteers to translate it and I will let him know he should upload it.
[23:45] <davubunt1> He is raising a new generation of kids here in Nicaragua
[23:47] <davubunt1> I can search the net but I thought you guys might be able to offer me the best links off the bat.
[23:47] <davubunt1> And this is a very worthy cause
[23:47] <davubunt1> I know if I search I will find Ubuntu oriented articles primarily
[23:48] <pygi> well, Burgundavia, you instruct davubunt1 then :)
[23:50] <davubunt1> I would have gone to the Spanish community first but I don't speak spanish very well.
[23:50] <davubunt1> :)
[23:50] <davubunt1> I just need some links to get the sys admin started and I need to know what CD to start her off with.
[23:54] <davubunt1> Okay...?
[23:54] <davubunt1> I guess I'll try elsewhere... thanks anyway
[23:57] <davubunt1> .join #ubuntu