/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2007/11/21/#kubuntu-devel.txt

claydohmmm kwin compositing....yum00:24
claydohthanks for the rc packages, guys!00:24
stdinyeah, kwin composite is rather nice00:25
yuriyoh yeah, got to try it and see what it looks like without debugging symbols00:28
yuriyis it safe to use the upgrader feisty->gutsy yet?00:30
stdinit's been safe for a while, just enable -proposed and should be smooth00:31
yuriyk, i held off upgrading at first because of the issues, and haven't gotten around to it since, so i'll probably set it off tonight00:31
stdinworked well when I upgraded my desktop00:34
stdinand it's been from dapper -> edgy -> feisty -> gutsy00:34
stdinRiddell: kdepim-kde4 build-deps on libplasma-dev, but kdebase-workspace didn't make a libplasma-dev  with libplasma102:34
nixternalhttp://vorian.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/snapshot3.png04:20
nixternalhey everyone, check out what vorian did ^^ :p04:20
nixternalthat is awesome!04:20
voriandamn you nixternal !!!!!!!!!!!04:20
nixternalhahahaha04:20
* vorian hides04:20
nixternaldude, that is the craziest thing I have ever seen04:20
nixternalI would have expected a crazy crash and mess04:20
Hobbseelooks nice04:21
nixternalyou get what it is though Hobbsee?04:21
Hobbseeyes04:21
nixternalthat is insane04:21
Hobbseekde4 with kde3 panel inside it04:21
nixternalI would have expected a mess04:21
nixternalHobbsee: that is KDE 4 and KDE 3.5.8 running simultaneously04:21
nixternalhe forgot to edit his startkde file in the svn build04:21
Tm_Tlovely04:21
Hobbseehah.  classy04:21
Tm_Tvorian: AAAHHHAHAHAHA!04:22
* Tm_T hides04:22
nixternallol04:22
* vorian cries04:22
nixternalhehehe04:22
nixternalvorian: that is a testament at just how rock solid KDE is04:22
Tm_Tvorian: now I'm not alone04:22
vorianabsolutely04:22
nixternalgnome would have barfed and turned into windows 9504:22
nixternalTm_T: you did that too?04:22
vorian*makes a new .desktop entry*04:23
Tm_Tnixternal: not exactly same, though I had KDE3 components too all over the place04:23
nixternalI did it last month on my desktop and it hosered my stuff up pretty good04:23
Tm_Tnixternal: somehow Kubuntu defaults gone on in KDE404:24
Tm_T"oo goody, we need this and that oooo it's only in KDE3"04:24
DaSkreechnixternal: Wait. When was gnome not windows 95 ?04:37
* ScottK is thinking Windows 95 had more options.04:38
* DaSkreech cracks up04:38
nixternalhahahaha, nice!04:40
Tm_TScottK: but hey, that would just confuse users04:40
DaSkreechAlways give the user options04:41
DaSkreechALWAYS04:41
DaSkreechLike Allow or deny ?04:41
* ScottK understands some consider choice to be bad. Some of us consider freedom to be good (which is why we use free software).04:41
* ScottK really doesn't understand Gnome at all.04:42
DaSkreechScottK: Well we don't really :)04:42
DaSkreechScottK: install Gobuntu04:42
vorian*crosses fingers*04:42
* DaSkreech crosses legs04:42
ScottKDaSkreech: I like it to actually work.04:42
* Hobbsee isnt minding gnome much04:43
ScottKActually, on my laptop I'd lose wireless and modem, but it'd work wired just fine.04:43
DaSkreechHobbsee: I just can't get used to not having Alt+ctrl+A04:43
ScottKI suspect my desktop would run it without issue.04:43
HobbseeDaSkreech: which does?04:43
DaSkreechHobbsee: Oh! Still use KDE much ?04:44
Hobbseeno, i dont have it installed04:44
Hobbseewhat does it do?04:45
DaSkreechWhen a taskbar entru is requesting your attention it brings it to the front04:45
DaSkreechI can't live with out it now04:45
Hobbseeahhh04:45
DaSkreechit actually hurts my head when it doesn't work04:45
DaSkreechIf you are blinking WHY isn't there a way for me to call You?04:46
Hobbseehehe04:46
DaSkreechI've been sitting at the keyboard in Vista hitting them for a few seconds before I opened control panel to see if I disabled it before it suddenly occurred to me that not all computers come with that key combo04:47
* ScottK makes note of that one.04:47
DaSkreechseriously the next time something flashes just press alt+ctrl+A04:47
DaSkreechin a week you will do it without thinking about it04:48
DaSkreechin a month it's hardwired into your genes04:48
DaSkreechyou will pass it on to your forked processes04:48
DaSkreechScottK: konversation ?04:48
ScottKYes, why?04:49
DaSkreechScottK: you have notifications on?04:49
ScottKAs a rule no, but alt+ctrl+A visibly marks one away (as I discovered when I was trying to figure out what it did).04:49
DaSkreechha ha :)04:52
DaSkreechturn on notifications for someone saying your name -> flash taskbar entry04:52
DaSkreechI have it with the OSD as well but that's not here or there04:52
DaSkreechthen you can just do work and if anyone says your name alt+ctrl+A pops it up and yo ucan answer alt+F3 N and back to work04:54
DaSkreechhi Hobbsee_ The sequel :)04:56
Hobbsee_indeed!04:56
yuriywhile upgrading to gutsy: "could not install 'debconf'"... subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped05:08
yuriysame thing for x11-common05:08
yuriynow it seems to be stuck on "preparing to configure libaa1"05:12
yuriywhich it probably can't do because it didn't install debconf05:12
yuriyand the show/hide terminal button is broken05:13
* Hobbsee wonders why debconf segfaulted.05:13
* yuriy kills the upgrader, kills all adept processes, does dpkgs --configure -a, aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade, and crosses fingers05:19
* ScottK has done it with apt.05:30
yuriywell that was far from pretty, but my desktop is finally on gutsy06:36
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harolddongare we supposed to able to move the plasmoids in the rc?07:36
Tm_Twho knows07:37
harolddongwell are other finding that they aren't able to move them?07:37
harolddong*other people07:37
Tm_Tharolddong: sorry, I haven't compiled it (yet)07:39
harolddongoh so I take it that all the rc stuff isnt in the repos yet even thought there'sa link on the kubuntu page?07:39
Tm_Tno, I don't use those packages07:41
harolddongjust wondering because some screnshots popping up of rc1 look very different than what I've setup on my system from the repos07:41
harolddongI'm a little confused07:41
harolddongwhat's a better way to get it then07:42
harolddongright from the tarballs?07:42
Tm_Tpackages are best way07:42
harolddongyou mean from the main kde site?07:42
Tm_Tharolddong: no, the way you got it07:43
Tm_T(as instructed in kubuntu.org)07:43
harolddongthen why does it still seem so wonky07:43
harolddongI thought this was supposed to be pretty ironed out07:43
Tm_Tmm, well, apps are still beta07:44
Tm_Tthe underlying system is RC07:44
harolddongplasma is a problem07:44
Tm_Tand that's more app layer07:44
harolddongif I open a new applet I can'tclose it over move it at all07:45
harolddongbut apparently that's not supposed to an issue in the rc07:45
Tm_TI haven't really got any working applet thus far, though my last experience is from first beta or so07:45
harolddonghttp://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=50876&d=119561896907:46
harolddonglike07:46
harolddongis THAT the RC07:46
harolddongcause that's not what it looks like in kubuntu07:46
harolddongit still has that useless panel07:46
harolddonginstead of a plasmoid panel07:47
Tm_Tsorry, no idea07:47
Tm_TERM!07:53
Captain_RedbeardGood morning guys08:05
Captain_RedbeardTm_T, do we know something new about the KDE4 versions? :)08:05
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Tm_TCaptain_Redbeard: RC1 platform, Beta5 apps08:20
Captain_RedbeardTm_T, Oh? So basically they have done nothing to the platform, fallen behind schedule even more and decided to call it RC1? :O08:22
Tm_TCaptain_Redbeard: no08:22
Captain_RedbeardTm_T, no?08:24
Tm_Tjust failure in versioning08:28
Captain_RedbeardTm_T, how do you mean?08:29
Tm_Tshould be RC2 I'd say (while apps are still beta)08:29
buzstdin: any plans to also package plasma-playground?08:59
* Jucato stretches... then waves to everyone09:03
* Nightrose waves to Jucato09:11
* buz wonders if there is an easy way to install hardy on a partition without having to reboot09:11
Jucatohi Nightrose :)09:12
buzmhh if i could use a real partition as virtualbox device it would work09:18
buzqemu can do that :P09:18
Riddellstdin: kdepim needs the new kdebase-workspace, sorry10:00
buzhumm the battery level plasmoid says no battery installed but guidance-power-manager lists it just fine10:05
buzi have no idea why, but stdin's poppler package are a LOT faster than the ones i had before10:08
Jucatowhat would be the difference between using qt-copy from svn and using our own qt4 packages?10:24
Tm_Tno real difference should be10:24
Jucatook10:24
Tm_TIIRC10:25
Tm_TI might be wrong though ;)10:25
Jucatohm.. ok :)10:25
Tm_TJucato: see what patches are left10:27
Tm_Tleft to be enabled10:27
Tm_Tif none, no difference10:27
Jucatoah so our qt4 package is actually based on qt-copy?10:27
Tm_Tno, qt-copy should be qt+some patches10:32
Tm_T(usually something that will be in next qt release)10:32
Tm_Tfeel free to correct me if needed10:33
JucatoI'm the one asking, so I can't correct :)10:33
* Jucato doesn't know10:33
Tm_TJucato: then consider it as truth until proven otherwise ;)10:38
* Hobbsee ponders installing kde4.10:51
Riddelldo it10:51
Riddellit's been my default desktop for a whole day now10:51
Hobbseeand how many times has it crashed?10:51
Riddellno more than KDE 3 has10:51
Tm_Theh10:52
Tm_TRiddell: what I said about Qt, true?10:52
RiddellTm_T: what did you say?10:54
Tm_T1232 < Tm_T> no, qt-copy should be qt+some patches10:55
HobbseeRiddell: what do i install?10:55
Hobbseeand does it just work?10:55
RiddellHobbsee: see kubuntu.org10:55
Riddellpretty much, kdm might not install properly and you need to copy the xsession by hand10:55
RiddellTm_T: qy-copy is indeed qt plus patches10:55
Riddellqt-copy10:56
Hobbseei'm using gdm, logically10:56
Riddellour qt is also qt plus patches, there shouldn't be much difference10:56
Tm_Tthought so10:57
Tm_TRiddell: and those patches are from/to upstream eventually, right?10:57
RiddellTm_T: mostly yes10:58
Tm_Tyay, my head isn't totally soften then10:58
* Tm_T has more and more medication10:59
HobbseeRiddell: E: Couldn't find package kdebase-dev-kde410:59
Hobbsee(hardy)11:00
Riddelloh, hardy11:00
Riddellit hasn't compiled on hardy yet11:00
Hobbseeyes11:00
Hobbseewhy not?11:00
Riddelldunno, buildds seem busy, probably a debian import going on11:00
Hobbseewhich hasnt built yet?11:01
Riddellkde4libs11:01
Riddelland thus everything else11:01
Hobbseeoh, i see11:01
Hobbseeyup11:02
Tm_Theh11:02
Hobbseei'ts done on i38611:03
Riddellyes, hopefully amd64 will follow11:04
* Hobbsee helps it along a bit11:04
Tm_Tpush or kick?11:05
Tm_Tor pointy click?11:05
Hobbseeeither.11:05
* Tm_T goes poetic11:05
HobbseeRiddell: that should solve our problem, at least for a bit.11:06
Hobbseebuilds arent that busy.  at least the ones that are actually working11:09
Riddellthanks11:11
Hobbseeno problem11:15
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_buzis this just placebo or is kde4 in some cases a lot faster13:31
Riddellit ought to be faster13:32
Riddellqt 4 is faster13:32
_buzyaeh i heard that ;)13:34
_buznow if only i could figure out how to get kwin_composite to get some real bling :)13:34
* Hobbsee ponders installing it13:35
_buzi assume its not in stdin's packages?13:36
Riddellit should be13:36
Riddellalthough I can't say for sure since it wouldn't work on this machine13:36
_buzhow would i activate it?13:38
_buzgoogled before, didnt find anything13:39
Riddellno idea, as I say I can't test it13:39
Jucatoright-click on titlebar -> Configure Window Behavior afaik13:39
Riddellmm, if I tell it to use xrender it sort of works13:43
_buzit complains i have no compositing but beryl runs on this machine13:44
_buzmaybe it cant be used on :1 only on :013:44
_buzand the complaint is only logged to stdout, not very obvious :P13:45
Jucatoperhaps it wasn't built w/ compositing enabled?13:45
RiddellI doubt compositing works on xephyr if that's what you're using13:46
Jucatooh yeah it wouldn't work if run in xephyr13:47
buzmhh compiz works, kwin_composite doesnt seem to13:52
DaSkreechseele: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2296/2049233127_b8c85ded41_m.jpg14:00
Seregagreetings14:00
JucatoDaSkreech: bigger version in http://www.flickr.com/photos/anuragp/2049233127/ :)14:01
Jucatoit's from pradeepto14:01
DaSkreechI know it's a nice Pic14:01
DaSkreechI love the idea it falls right into wade's mindset14:02
* Jucato remembers the last time seele's pic was put up...14:02
* DaSkreech doesnt14:02
stdingood... er afternoon14:03
JucatoDaSkreech: search for the Dot article on seele's behindkde interview14:03
Jucatohi stdin14:03
stdinhey Jucato14:03
Jucatostdin: was kdebase built with compositing enabled? (not sure how to check though)14:03
Jucato(rc1)14:03
jpatrickbuild log?14:04
Jucatoit's stdin's package anyway, I think :)14:04
stdinhmm, not sure14:04
stdinit should be14:04
stdinkwin will also try to detect if it can use OpenGL and disable it if it can't14:04
Jucatoiirc last time I built kde from svn and didn't have xrender-dev and xdamage-dev installed, it didn't have compositing.. no nice effects.. not sure if those 2 are the right packages14:04
stdinJucato: well it build-deps on those and libxcomposite-dev, so I guess cmake should have enabled it14:07
Jucatoaho k14:07
Jucatoah ok14:07
DaSkreechJucato: 2006?14:09
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JucatoDaSkreech: http://dot.kde.org/1156972507/14:10
jpatrickkdebase-kde4 cmake log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45364/14:10
DaSkreechOh you wanted me to read that page?14:11
DaSkreechah I see14:12
seeleDaSkreech: yeah, pradeepto sent me the link yesterday14:13
Jucatohi seele! :)14:14
seelehihi Jucato14:14
* seele yawns14:15
seeleup too late last night14:15
Jucatohehe ;)14:15
Jucatomust have had some fun :)14:16
DaSkreechcompensate by not being up to early :)14:16
* Serega ran into some big issue :) http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117664 Oops14:17
ubotuKDE bug 117664 in general "Kaffeine needs restart after changing playback engine" [Normal,New]14:17
RiddellSerega: do you know if there's a kde 4 version of kaffeine in the works?14:20
SeregaRiddell: no, I don't14:21
jpatrickiirc, sebas said he'd do a port14:21
SeregaRiddell: there is no mention about KDE4 on homesite, at least14:23
lnxkdeweeeeeeeee14:24
lnxkdethankx guys for the KDE 4 rc1 packages14:24
lnxkde"_14:24
lnxkde:)14:24
DaSkreechlnxkde: :-)14:24
lnxkde95% downloaded right now14:24
lnxkde:)14:24
DaSkreechNow hustle over to #kde and thank them for the KDE 414:24
lnxkdeDaSkreech: kde-dev14:25
lnxkde;)14:25
lnxkdeor kde4-dev14:25
DaSkreechYeah I was about to say :)14:25
lnxkdeit says chanel mode secret14:26
lnxkde...14:26
* DaSkreech plays Bond theme14:26
vorian#kde4-devel14:26
lnxkdelol14:26
lnxkdethat was all14:26
vorian:)14:26
* lnxkde runs naked from kubuntu-devel to kde4-devel and backwards14:28
bddebianHeya14:29
lnxkdeback14:30
vorianwhich branch is kde4addons from?14:30
Jucatotrunk most probably14:31
* Jucato wonders why lnxkde had to leave one room to enter another room..14:31
lnxkdeno I was just login back in to kde414:32
lnxkde:D14:32
lnxkdebrb14:33
lnxkdeplaying with my system14:34
stdinhehe, I knew it https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-November/022704.html14:37
Hobbseeit'd be really nice if teams could have sub ppa-s.14:38
Jucatohi Hobbsee!14:39
Jucatosub ppa?14:39
Hobbseeas in, production, and random miscellanea, from teh same tiem14:39
Hobbseeer, same team14:39
Jucatoah14:40
Jucatocurrently kubuntu-team only has one?14:40
Hobbseeyes14:40
* Jucato wonders if a new LP account for that could be created just for that14:40
Hobbsee~kubuntu-members-kde414:41
Jucatokubuntu-team-misc.. just for the ppa hehehe :)14:41
Hobbseeyeah well.  that's not a bad idea.14:41
Hobbseepity we've already published the URL and all.14:41
Hobbseeor kubuntu-members-production14:41
Hobbseei guess it would only be for kde4.14:42
lnxkdesomeone here when doing about in konqueror and other kde4 rc programs it says it is beta 4 and not rc1....?14:42
Jucatowhat version # is it saying specifically? 0.3x.x?14:43
lnxkde3,96.00 (KDE 4.0 Beta4)14:43
lnxkdethat says14:43
Jucatothe Beta4 might be an upstream error. the version # is correct though14:44
Jucato3.96 is rc114:44
lnxkde:)14:44
stdinI'd forgotten I'l put konversation, smplayer etc on my ppa. hope people like the new packages :p14:45
* Hobbsee registers the team14:45
Hobbseestdin: you know, you could just apply by email.14:45
Jucatostdin: which version of konvi?14:46
Hobbseeparticularly seeing as we're not going to have a meeting this week14:46
Jucatostdin: yeah.. *someone* already did :)14:46
stdinJucato: 1.0.2~svn20071012-0 :)14:46
Jucatokoolious!14:46
stdinok, if you see a message in kubuntu-devel@ with the subject "Please, oh come on, lemme in"  you know who it's from14:47
Jucatoheh14:48
Tm_Tstdin: you?14:48
stdinprobably, as soon as I get around to writing it :p14:49
stdinin about 20~mins the new kdebase-workspace should be built14:50
stdinthen I'll requeue kdepim-kde314:50
stdin*414:50
jetsaredimkde4-rc1 error: http://dpaste.com/25517/14:53
stdinso you didn't remove all the old packages then14:53
stdin!brokenkde4 | jetsaredim14:54
ubotujetsaredim: If you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime »14:54
jetsaredimstdin: pretty sure i did14:55
jetsaredimhttp://dpaste.com/25518/14:55
stdinjetsaredim: you can't have kde4multimedia-data is a kde beta package14:56
stdinjetsaredim: just add those 3 packages to the end of the apt-get line14:56
stdin*5 packages14:56
stdinwhat you need to do is remove all the kde4 packages and then install the new ones on a "clean" system14:57
jetsaredimthen re-try the kdelibs5 install?14:57
stdinno, remove it all, then run the apt-get command from the announcement14:58
jetsaredimyea14:59
jetsaredimthat's what i mean14:59
jetsaredimthat seems to have worked14:59
jetsaredimand that should give me a working kde4 install?14:59
stdinshould give you no more trouble14:59
jetsaredimi have been trying to follow the kde4 stuff since beta1 and never have been able to get a usable window manager14:59
sebasjpatrick: I'm not porting kaffeine15:38
sebasNever planned, won't do.15:39
sebasI hope something like codeine, based on Phonon will pop up.15:39
Jucatoisn't codeine ported already? or at least there was news of it being ported long ago15:39
Jucatoand being just called "video player"15:39
\shkaffeine, codeine ... what's next heroine?15:40
Jucatooh and hi sebas! :)15:40
Tm_Tno, Jucatine!15:40
* Tm_T hides15:40
Jucatosebas: couldn't have pradeepto chosen a less "menacing" pic of you? :)15:40
Jucatothat sounds like Ovaltine...15:40
jpatricksebas: ah, ok, must of been someone else15:43
sebasJucato: There are none :)15:44
Jucatohahah :)15:44
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buztoo bad i really think kaffeine is the best of the current media players15:51
buzlargely because you can have the controls during fullscreen15:51
Jucato(um....)15:51
Jucatoso does kplayer and kmplayer :)15:51
Jucato(haven't tried smplayer or codeine)15:51
buzwell i havent used those in a long time :)15:54
buzfor me the alternative is mplayer or vlc :)15:54
Jucatomplayer + kde frontends = kplayer/kmplayer :)15:55
Jucatovlc is going the way of qt afaik15:55
stdinyeah, but the qt4 interface is totally broken last time I compiled it15:56
Tm_TJucato: false15:56
Tm_TKmplayer = mplayer/gst/xine + KDE-frontend15:56
Tm_Tnot just mplayer15:57
Jucatoheh ok fine15:57
jpatrickkmplayer does not depend on mplayer15:57
Tm_Tyup15:58
Jucato(missed my point but anyway...)15:58
mikkaelis it just me or is it impossible to move those plasmoids on kubuntus rc ?15:59
mikkael(of kde4)15:59
Tm_Tsome others claim too16:00
jpatrickI can make them spin around only16:00
mikkaelis there a package-manager like adept for kde4 yet ?16:02
stdinuhh, kdebase-workspace is taking forever to build16:02
Jucatomikkael: someone told me that there was work being done  on kpackage again, but so far none16:02
mikkaelstdin: are you updating your packages ?16:03
stdinmikkael: yeah, kdepim-kde4 needs a -dev package that wan't built16:04
Tm_Twan wan16:04
stdinbeen building for >1 hour and it's at 10%16:06
mikkaeluh oh :)16:07
stdintook about 40mins last time16:07
rouzichi all16:07
Jucatoelow16:09
rouzici find a bug in kopete 0.12.7 :/16:13
Tm_Tyes?16:15
rouzicTm_T: yes, i can't use kopete normally :(16:16
Tm_Tand bug is...16:17
rouzicwait16:17
rouzicI repor in bugs.kde http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15260416:17
ubotuKDE bug 152604 in Now Listening Plugin "Kopete crashes sometimes without a reason and I think is problem of the "Now listening" plugin." [Crash,Unconfirmed]16:17
Tm_Trouzic: what other plugins used?16:17
rouzicTm_T: notes, booksmarks and netmeeting16:18
Tm_Trouzic: umm ok16:18
Tm_Trouzic: install kdenetwork-dbg16:19
mikkaelstdin: does kde-style-qtcurve work on your install as expected ?16:19
rouzicTm right :)16:19
stdinmikkael: yeah, using it now16:19
Tm_Trouzic: when it crashes next time, paste trace to bug report16:19
mikkaelstdin: can you change it's default look ?16:19
rouzicTm_T: :)16:20
stdinmikkael: yeah, from the Configure button16:20
mikkaelstdin: i installed your package of qtcurve, but still: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-style-qtcurve/+bug/13584716:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135847 in kde-style-qtcurve "kde style qtcurve doesnt apply changes" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:21
stdinmikkael: changes apply fine with my install, I've just switched between 3 or 4 while we were talking16:22
mikkaelstdin: do you have any idea how i could find out why this is not working on here ?16:23
stdinmikkael: not sure, it worked from the start here, never needed to do anything16:24
mikkaelif i run systemsettings in a terminal i dont get very useful output..only this line "systemsettings: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program".. but thats language-related i guess16:26
stdinmikkael: yeah, I get that to16:27
rouzicTm_T: are you kubuntu's developer?16:32
WaltzingAlongits*16:32
jpatrickrouzic: we all are in our own way16:33
rouzicjpatrick: :)16:36
rouzicnow kopete don't crashes.... i hate kopete xD16:38
nixternalmornin' you kubuhamsters!16:38
Jucatonixternal!!!!16:38
rouzichi nixternal16:38
nixternalwhat a wonderful sleep that was...I woke up fresh, and ready to hack on something16:39
Jucatoyay!16:39
* Jucato puts "kubuntu" on nixternal's table :)16:39
Jucatothat should be enough for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and whatever meals you take16:39
Jucato... for a whole month :)16:40
stdinkdepim-kde4 building :)16:40
yuriyhmm16:41
* yuriy puts kmail4 and akregator4 on nixternal's table16:41
nixternalwhy those?16:42
yuriycause stdin reminded me of them, and akregator was pretty broken last i tried16:43
nixternalhrmm, I can't connect to kde svn this morning16:44
Riddellnixternal: the RC has killed half the servers16:44
nixternalRiddell: didn't even think of that...woohoo I guess!16:45
Jucato:)16:45
rouzicHi Riddell :)16:46
Riddellhi rouzic16:46
jpatrickRiddell: this is rouzic, founder and admin of kubuntu-es.org16:48
jpatrickand edubuntu-es.org and xubuntu-es.org..16:48
jpatrickRiddell: btw, you put kicker-taskbar-compiz into main16:50
Riddellgrr16:53
Riddellone day soyuz will do the universe thing by default because I keep forgetting16:53
Riddellhola rouzic16:54
rouzichola Riddell, recuerdo haber hablado contigo en español en kubuntu-es16:54
rouzic:)16:55
=== \sh is now known as \sh_away
* Riddell no hablo espanol16:56
rouzicRiddell: escribir :/16:57
Riddelljpatrick: it all seems to be in universe, I probably caught it before it was published17:00
nixternalRiddell: if you don't speak spanish, then why did you just speak spanish :p17:01
RiddellI have enough hispanic in me to say that I don't speak Spanish, order a Fanta Lemon and say "hmm, I think I'll do this tomorrow"17:02
buzof course, ordering beer is more important than ordering fanta lemon :P17:09
RiddellI was 12 when I learnt that17:09
buzoff to an early start indeed17:10
nixternalhahahahaha17:10
nixternalRiddell: that is classic!17:10
bobesponjahi17:43
bobesponjado you know if there is a way to make xephyr window size bigger?17:44
rouzichi bobesponja17:44
bobesponjahi rouzic17:44
nixternalbobesponja: -screen 1024x76817:46
bobesponjanixternal: thanks a lot17:46
nixternalno problemo17:47
nixternalI could never get Xephyr to work for me when I started doing the KDE SVN builds this summer17:47
fdovingit is a bit slow.17:48
fdovingwas when i tested it anyway.17:48
fdovingnixternal: as you're into kde4, which svn modules do you suggest fetching to get some impression of it all? - i have kdeartwork, kdebase, kdeedu, kdegraphics, kdemultimedia, kdenetwork, kdepim, kdesdk,anything else i should have?17:50
nixternalkdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase, kdegames, extragear-plasma17:50
nixternalkdegames only because some of them are really fun to play17:50
nixternalso you have everything, just add the extragear/plasma to your list and you will be good to go17:51
Jucatooh I need both extragear plasma and playground plasma...17:51
nixternalforgot about playground plasma...but all it does is give you some plasmoids that don't work17:52
Jucatowhere's the fun when everything works? :)17:52
nixternalso true17:52
nixternalI think what I just said was so hypocritical of my ways...I always said I don't like stable :)17:53
Jucatoheheh17:53
Jucatooh man, it's raining tigers and wolves here :(17:53
nixternalcats and dogs here, but it is supposed to turn over to snow within the next 5 hours17:53
nixternalthat's what I can't wait for!17:54
nixternalJucato: I swear, everyday it is raining there17:54
nixternalI am so used to northern America weather now, I forget the rest of the world their winters and summers are way different17:54
fdovingi guess northern america is somewhat similar to norwegian winters. snow and ice for 5months?17:55
nixternalabout right17:55
fdovingbbl,tv while kde4 is compiling.17:56
mhbhi folks17:58
jpatrickhi mhb17:59
CPrgmSwR2Hi18:02
bobesponjais there kopete in the RC1 package? I can't seem to find it18:03
CPrgmSwR2stdin: did you get the kde4 packages built?18:03
nixternalbobesponja: no18:03
nixternalbobesponja: kopete in kde4 is far from ready18:03
nixternalerr, I shouldn't say no, but I wouldn't count on it18:03
stdinCPrgmSwR2: yeah, building more now18:03
nixternalif you get lucky, some days you can actually get it to build from svn18:03
CPrgmSwR2oh cool18:03
nixternalbut I haven't been lucky as of yet18:03
CPrgmSwR2oh cool18:03
stdinall except kdeartwork so far18:03
CPrgmSwR2stdin: are you building kdenetwork?18:04
bobesponjanixternal: it's just that they said it would be included in 4.018:04
bobesponjaby they I mean kopete devs18:04
nixternalhrmm, then if they said it, it should be there somewhere18:04
stdinCPrgmSwR2: uploaded about 20mins ago18:04
nixternalbobesponja: kopete is under the kdenetwork branch, so make sure you installed that I guess18:05
stdinCPrgmSwR2: and just got accepted into the queue18:05
stdinnixternal: kdenetwork was only just accepted18:06
bobesponjanixternal: I can't see it, I guess it hasn't been packaged18:06
nixternalbobesponja: then that would explain it :)18:06
lnxkdeok guys starneg thing18:07
lnxkdeI got beta 4 installed...18:07
lnxkdeif this is rc1 http://vizzzion.org/images/kde-4.0-post-rc1/dolphinconfig.jpg18:08
bobesponjaanyway, the RC1 packages are great, it is usuable as a full session so congrats :)18:08
stdinif you mean the version of the apps says "(Beta 4)", that's a known upstream bug. as long as the version is 3.96.0 it's rc118:08
lnxkdeI got beta418:08
stdinlnxkde: yep, read what I just said :)18:08
CPrgmSwR2stdin: it will be interesting if kdenetwork builds18:08
lnxkdestdin: no... I got the old violet panel..18:08
CPrgmSwR2stdin: can I have your ppa page?18:08
stdinlnxkde: ohh18:08
lnxkdeI cant change wallpaper18:08
lnxkdeand so on18:09
lnxkdeI got beta 4 :/18:09
stdinCPrgmSwR2: if you have the archive in your sources.list you'll have it when it's built18:09
CPrgmSwR2I don't18:09
stdinCPrgmSwR2: that's the way then, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php18:10
stdinbut make sure you remove ALL old KDE4 beta packages before installing the RC18:10
CPrgmSwR2okay18:11
lnxkdestdin: yeah just noticed I had some old packeges I thinked I removed them18:11
lnxkdedarn18:11
lnxkde:/18:11
stdinthat's why I made...18:11
stdin!brokenkde418:11
ubotuIf you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime »18:11
CPrgmSwR2E: Type 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu' is not known on line 59 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list18:13
lnxkdeok done18:13
lnxkdesrdin thankx18:13
stdinCPrgmSwR2: "Add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu gutsy main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list"18:14
stdinyou missed the "deb" and "gutsy main"18:14
CPrgmSwR2deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu gutsy main18:14
CPrgmSwR2like this?18:14
stdinexactly18:14
CPrgmSwR2Thats what I have18:14
stdinyou must have missed the deb18:14
stdin"E: Type 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu' is not known on line 59 in source list /etc/apt/sources.lis" means it didn't see a "deb" bit18:15
nixternalisn't it /~tsimpson/18:16
stdinnot for the archive18:16
CPrgmSwR2I see what happen18:16
lnxkdeok installing kde4 rc1 again18:17
lnxkde:)18:17
lnxkdehopefully I will have the uptodae plasma18:17
CPrgmSwR2stdin: okay I have your thing added, but its not showing up with kde4-base as 3.9618:18
stdinthat's because kde4base is the old package name18:18
stdinread the announcement18:18
stdin3rd instruction: "Install kdebase-dev-kde4 kdebase-workspace-dev kdebase-runtime"18:19
stdin1st one is "Remove previous KDE 4 packages, they are not compatible (apt-get remove kdelibs5)" < important18:19
* buz still wonders about kwin_composite18:22
buzi can turn it on, but then it complains i dont have composite18:23
buznever mind that compiz works just fine18:23
stdin#kde4-devel is the best place to ask18:23
buzi was about to go there :)18:23
CPrgmSwR2stdin: they have to activate composite in the xorg.conf file18:40
CPrgmSwR2its by default set to no18:40
Jucatothey don't have to. I didn't18:40
CPrgmSwR2--> Option"Composite""0"18:40
* Jucato goes to bed18:40
CPrgmSwR2Thats what mine has right now18:41
stdinme either18:41
nixternalk'nite again!18:41
Jucatoheheh18:41
Jucatok'night *18:41
stdindamn, why did the Ubuntu language pack builders pick now to take over i386 buildds18:42
stdinwith >150 packages....18:44
mikkaelwhats the command to start that plasma browser, that sits in the corner ?18:49
sebasplasmaappletbrowser?18:50
mikkaelhmm command not found18:53
mikkaeli launched an empty session, now the thing in the corner is missing18:53
rouzicTm_T: kopete crashed :D19:19
rouzicTm_T: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45395/ :)19:23
jdonganyone planning to package ktorrent 2.2.4?19:26
jdongcuz I call dibs!19:26
jdong"2.2.4 is out, this fixes a crash in 2.2.3 and some other minor stuff. There are also some improvements made to the webgui."19:26
jdong^^ changelog of the day award19:26
fdovingnixternal: around? - i'm missing the icons in kde4, any clue what i've done or not done?19:28
nixternalumm, you are missing all of the icons?19:28
fdovingyeah, i'm missing the icon themes, basically.19:29
nixternalwow, I thought those were installed with kdelibs19:29
nixternalcan you look in system settings and see if the oxygen icon theme is even listed?19:29
fdovingthe list is empty.19:29
fdovingthe files are there.19:29
jpatrickinstalled kde-icons-oxygen?19:29
jpatrickah right19:29
fdovingi'll try to figure it out.19:29
nixternalthat is weird...did you just recently update or something?19:30
fdovingyep.19:31
fdovingdirectly from svn as of today.19:31
fdovingi can cheat. package the files to ~/.kde419:32
nixternalman, I am building the latest right now, don't scare me :)19:32
fdovings/package/copy19:32
fdovingmight aswell be some old configs i have left from earlier.19:32
nixternalit could be, especially if you haven't udpated in a while19:32
fdoving1.5months since i updated kde4 now.19:32
nixternalI have my ~/.kde4 wiped after every logoff19:33
fdovingi wiped mine before this login.19:33
fdovingmaybe that's the problem :)19:33
nixternalsince we started the KDE 4 Krush days, I have been wiping .kde4 every rip and never had a problem19:33
fdovingthe styles and everything else is there.19:35
fdovingonly icons missing.19:35
fdovingdidn't work copying them to ~/.kde4/share/icons either.19:36
fdovinghmm.19:36
nixternalI am waiting for kdepim to build before I can log back in19:37
fdovingnixternal: tsdgeos> fdoving: code is wrong, svn up and make install again19:39
fdovingnixternal: let's hope you got that fix then. :)19:40
jdongany core-dev in the mood for sponsoring ktorrent 2.2.4? Built and tested here already19:53
Riddelljdong: got a link?20:12
jdongRiddell: bug #16439420:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 164394 in ktorrent "SPONSOR: KTorrent 2.2.4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16439420:12
Riddelljdong: uploading20:17
jdongRiddell: thanks very much :)20:17
Riddellnixternal: akademy-es story if you want20:17
Riddellnixternal: can you commit images to svn?20:17
lnxkdehi again stdin20:28
lnxkde:D20:28
lnxkdesorry to bother you, but I re installed rc1 and still I get the old panel and plasma20:28
lnxkde:/20:28
lnxkdehow can I clean completely my system from kde4 configs and etc...20:28
stdinremove all the kde4 packages and the ~/.kde4 dir20:29
stdinthat should clean it all20:29
lnxkdestdin: correct me if I am right20:29
lnxkdethe new pabnel is black?20:30
stdinhold on, I'll fire up xephyr20:30
nixternalRiddell: depends on the location in svn20:31
nixternalI can commit to the www stuff I don't think20:31
nixternals/can/can't20:31
CPrgmSwR2stdin: did kdenetwork compile?20:32
stdinCPrgmSwR2: missing dependency on libvncserver-dev20:32
Riddellnixternal: it's in trunk/dot.kde.org you should be able to commit20:34
CPrgmSwR2dpkg: error processing kdm-kde4 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 120:34
CPrgmSwR2how do I resolve that issue20:34
nixternalRiddell: roger20:35
stdinlnxkde: mine looks like this http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1302/kde4rc1am9.png20:36
nixternalRiddell: so I should take the attached images from the dot article and add them to trunk/dot.kde.org then?20:37
Riddellnixternal: yes (make yourself a directory in there)20:37
nixternalok20:37
lnxkdestdin: http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=74220:38
nixternalie. d.k.o/static20:38
lnxkdestdin: it suppose to look like that and it suppose to have an option to change the wallpaper...20:39
CPrgmSwR2stdin: okay back20:39
CPrgmSwR2kdm-kde4 will not install20:39
lnxkdeCPrgmSwR2: nope it wont20:41
Riddellnixternal: then you need to sync it to the static.kdenews.org server20:44
nixternalholy smokes...learning something new again! :)20:45
CPrgmSwR2CRAP!!! ATI needs to die!20:46
stdinlnxkde: did you see the "Please note that this is very recent, and not all of it is part of the just-released KDE 4.0 RC1" ?20:47
lnxkdehehe20:47
lnxkdenope20:47
lnxkde:/20:47
lnxkdethat sucks then :(20:47
stdinon the 1st line too :p20:47
mhbRiddell: have you tried to poke the sysadmins to get us a Drupal installation lately?20:48
mhbwe'd appreciate it if you tried20:48
mhbI have *never* seen them actually finish the task I've asked for20:48
* lnxkde goes and see if he can build kde4 from svn20:48
stdinlnxkde: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE420:49
lnxkdestdin: thankx20:49
CPrgmSwR2Can someone make a flavor of ubuntu for kde420:53
CPrgmSwR2like kubuntu420:53
mhbCPrgmSwR2: we're planning to have a KDE4 Live CD20:53
mhbCPrgmSwR2: planning means we don't have anybody working on it yet, it's a shame, I know20:54
CPrgmSwR2I don't want a live CD20:54
CPrgmSwR2I want to install kde4 for daily use20:54
CPrgmSwR2My next PC is going to have an NVidia card, unless AMD/ATI makes a significant improvement in their drivers20:55
mhbCPrgmSwR2: heh :o) 0.0 is not 5.820:55
nixternalRiddell: would you mind teachine me really quick how to sync to static.kdenews.org?20:56
* Riddell /msges20:58
nixternalRiddell: one more...how do I know that is has completed the sync?21:35
Riddellnixternal: well, it says so21:41
Riddellit lists the files on that web page21:41
Riddellalso you can look at the URL, static.kdenews.org/nn/foo.png21:41
nixternalahh, OK..it didn't list any files on that webpage when I did it21:43
nixternalahhh21:43
nixternalthe svn lag21:43
nixternalsvn: Connection closed unexpectedly21:43
Riddellkeep reloading periodically21:44
nixternalhehe, that is what I am doin' now21:46
nixternalRiddell: all I have to do is put those images in my subdir in svn right? this time it popped up "At revision 739786" and my commit was 73977121:47
stdinRiddell: in kdetoys-kde4:21:57
stdindh_install -peyesapplet-kde4  --sourcedir=debian/tmp21:57
stdincp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/eyes_panelapplet.so': No such file or directory21:57
Riddellhtm22:00
Riddellhrm22:00
Riddellcurious, not sure what's missing there22:01
Riddellbut panel applets are a bit weird since kicker doesn't exist any more22:01
Riddelljust leave it for now I think22:01

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