[00:24] mmm kwin compositing....yum [00:24] thanks for the rc packages, guys! [00:25] yeah, kwin composite is rather nice [00:28] oh yeah, got to try it and see what it looks like without debugging symbols [00:30] is it safe to use the upgrader feisty->gutsy yet? [00:31] it's been safe for a while, just enable -proposed and should be smooth [00:31] k, i held off upgrading at first because of the issues, and haven't gotten around to it since, so i'll probably set it off tonight [00:34] worked well when I upgraded my desktop [00:34] and it's been from dapper -> edgy -> feisty -> gutsy [02:34] Riddell: kdepim-kde4 build-deps on libplasma-dev, but kdebase-workspace didn't make a libplasma-dev with libplasma1 [04:20] http://vorian.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/snapshot3.png [04:20] hey everyone, check out what vorian did ^^ :p [04:20] that is awesome! [04:20] damn you nixternal !!!!!!!!!!! [04:20] hahahaha [04:20] * vorian hides [04:20] dude, that is the craziest thing I have ever seen [04:20] I would have expected a crazy crash and mess [04:21] looks nice [04:21] you get what it is though Hobbsee? [04:21] yes [04:21] that is insane [04:21] kde4 with kde3 panel inside it [04:21] I would have expected a mess [04:21] Hobbsee: that is KDE 4 and KDE 3.5.8 running simultaneously [04:21] he forgot to edit his startkde file in the svn build [04:21] lovely [04:21] hah. classy [04:22] vorian: AAAHHHAHAHAHA! [04:22] * Tm_T hides [04:22] lol [04:22] * vorian cries [04:22] hehehe [04:22] vorian: that is a testament at just how rock solid KDE is [04:22] vorian: now I'm not alone [04:22] absolutely [04:22] gnome would have barfed and turned into windows 95 [04:22] Tm_T: you did that too? [04:23] *makes a new .desktop entry* [04:23] nixternal: not exactly same, though I had KDE3 components too all over the place [04:23] I did it last month on my desktop and it hosered my stuff up pretty good [04:24] nixternal: somehow Kubuntu defaults gone on in KDE4 [04:24] "oo goody, we need this and that oooo it's only in KDE3" [04:37] nixternal: Wait. When was gnome not windows 95 ? [04:38] * ScottK is thinking Windows 95 had more options. [04:38] * DaSkreech cracks up [04:40] hahahaha, nice! [04:40] ScottK: but hey, that would just confuse users [04:41] Always give the user options [04:41] ALWAYS [04:41] Like Allow or deny ? [04:41] * ScottK understands some consider choice to be bad. Some of us consider freedom to be good (which is why we use free software). [04:42] * ScottK really doesn't understand Gnome at all. [04:42] ScottK: Well we don't really :) [04:42] ScottK: install Gobuntu [04:42] *crosses fingers* [04:42] * DaSkreech crosses legs [04:42] DaSkreech: I like it to actually work. [04:43] * Hobbsee isnt minding gnome much [04:43] Actually, on my laptop I'd lose wireless and modem, but it'd work wired just fine. [04:43] Hobbsee: I just can't get used to not having Alt+ctrl+A [04:43] I suspect my desktop would run it without issue. [04:43] DaSkreech: which does? [04:44] Hobbsee: Oh! Still use KDE much ? [04:44] no, i dont have it installed [04:45] what does it do? [04:45] When a taskbar entru is requesting your attention it brings it to the front [04:45] I can't live with out it now [04:45] ahhh [04:45] it actually hurts my head when it doesn't work [04:46] If you are blinking WHY isn't there a way for me to call You? [04:46] hehe [04:47] I've been sitting at the keyboard in Vista hitting them for a few seconds before I opened control panel to see if I disabled it before it suddenly occurred to me that not all computers come with that key combo [04:47] * ScottK makes note of that one. [04:47] seriously the next time something flashes just press alt+ctrl+A [04:48] in a week you will do it without thinking about it [04:48] in a month it's hardwired into your genes [04:48] you will pass it on to your forked processes [04:48] ScottK: konversation ? [04:49] Yes, why? [04:49] ScottK: you have notifications on? [04:49] As a rule no, but alt+ctrl+A visibly marks one away (as I discovered when I was trying to figure out what it did). [04:52] ha ha :) [04:52] turn on notifications for someone saying your name -> flash taskbar entry [04:52] I have it with the OSD as well but that's not here or there [04:54] then you can just do work and if anyone says your name alt+ctrl+A pops it up and yo ucan answer alt+F3 N and back to work [04:56] hi Hobbsee_ The sequel :) [04:56] indeed! [05:08] while upgrading to gutsy: "could not install 'debconf'"... subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped [05:08] same thing for x11-common [05:12] now it seems to be stuck on "preparing to configure libaa1" [05:12] which it probably can't do because it didn't install debconf [05:13] and the show/hide terminal button is broken [05:13] * Hobbsee wonders why debconf segfaulted. [05:19] * yuriy kills the upgrader, kills all adept processes, does dpkgs --configure -a, aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade, and crosses fingers [05:30] * ScottK has done it with apt. [06:36] well that was far from pretty, but my desktop is finally on gutsy === czessi_ is now known as Czessi [07:36] are we supposed to able to move the plasmoids in the rc? [07:37] who knows [07:37] well are other finding that they aren't able to move them? [07:37] *other people [07:39] harolddong: sorry, I haven't compiled it (yet) [07:39] oh so I take it that all the rc stuff isnt in the repos yet even thought there'sa link on the kubuntu page? [07:41] no, I don't use those packages [07:41] just wondering because some screnshots popping up of rc1 look very different than what I've setup on my system from the repos [07:41] I'm a little confused [07:42] what's a better way to get it then [07:42] right from the tarballs? [07:42] packages are best way [07:42] you mean from the main kde site? [07:43] harolddong: no, the way you got it [07:43] (as instructed in kubuntu.org) [07:43] then why does it still seem so wonky [07:43] I thought this was supposed to be pretty ironed out [07:44] mm, well, apps are still beta [07:44] the underlying system is RC [07:44] plasma is a problem [07:44] and that's more app layer [07:45] if I open a new applet I can'tclose it over move it at all [07:45] but apparently that's not supposed to an issue in the rc [07:45] I haven't really got any working applet thus far, though my last experience is from first beta or so [07:46] http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=50876&d=1195618969 [07:46] like [07:46] is THAT the RC [07:46] cause that's not what it looks like in kubuntu [07:46] it still has that useless panel [07:47] instead of a plasmoid panel [07:47] sorry, no idea [07:53] ERM! [08:05] Good morning guys [08:05] Tm_T, do we know something new about the KDE4 versions? :) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:20] Captain_Redbeard: RC1 platform, Beta5 apps [08:22] Tm_T, Oh? So basically they have done nothing to the platform, fallen behind schedule even more and decided to call it RC1? :O [08:22] Captain_Redbeard: no [08:24] Tm_T, no? [08:28] just failure in versioning [08:29] Tm_T, how do you mean? [08:29] should be RC2 I'd say (while apps are still beta) [08:59] stdin: any plans to also package plasma-playground? [09:03] * Jucato stretches... then waves to everyone [09:11] * Nightrose waves to Jucato [09:11] * buz wonders if there is an easy way to install hardy on a partition without having to reboot [09:12] hi Nightrose :) [09:18] mhh if i could use a real partition as virtualbox device it would work [09:18] qemu can do that :P [10:00] stdin: kdepim needs the new kdebase-workspace, sorry [10:05] humm the battery level plasmoid says no battery installed but guidance-power-manager lists it just fine [10:08] i have no idea why, but stdin's poppler package are a LOT faster than the ones i had before [10:24] what would be the difference between using qt-copy from svn and using our own qt4 packages? [10:24] no real difference should be [10:24] ok [10:25] IIRC [10:25] I might be wrong though ;) [10:25] hm.. ok :) [10:27] Jucato: see what patches are left [10:27] left to be enabled [10:27] if none, no difference [10:27] ah so our qt4 package is actually based on qt-copy? [10:32] no, qt-copy should be qt+some patches [10:32] (usually something that will be in next qt release) [10:33] feel free to correct me if needed [10:33] I'm the one asking, so I can't correct :) [10:33] * Jucato doesn't know [10:38] Jucato: then consider it as truth until proven otherwise ;) [10:51] * Hobbsee ponders installing kde4. [10:51] do it [10:51] it's been my default desktop for a whole day now [10:51] and how many times has it crashed? [10:51] no more than KDE 3 has [10:52] heh [10:52] Riddell: what I said about Qt, true? [10:54] Tm_T: what did you say? [10:55] 1232 < Tm_T> no, qt-copy should be qt+some patches [10:55] Riddell: what do i install? [10:55] and does it just work? [10:55] Hobbsee: see kubuntu.org [10:55] pretty much, kdm might not install properly and you need to copy the xsession by hand [10:55] Tm_T: qy-copy is indeed qt plus patches [10:56] qt-copy [10:56] i'm using gdm, logically [10:56] our qt is also qt plus patches, there shouldn't be much difference [10:57] thought so [10:57] Riddell: and those patches are from/to upstream eventually, right? [10:58] Tm_T: mostly yes [10:58] yay, my head isn't totally soften then [10:59] * Tm_T has more and more medication [10:59] Riddell: E: Couldn't find package kdebase-dev-kde4 [11:00] (hardy) [11:00] oh, hardy [11:00] it hasn't compiled on hardy yet [11:00] yes [11:00] why not? [11:00] dunno, buildds seem busy, probably a debian import going on [11:01] which hasnt built yet? [11:01] kde4libs [11:01] and thus everything else [11:01] oh, i see [11:02] yup [11:02] heh [11:03] i'ts done on i386 [11:04] yes, hopefully amd64 will follow [11:04] * Hobbsee helps it along a bit [11:05] push or kick? [11:05] or pointy click? [11:05] either. [11:05] * Tm_T goes poetic [11:06] Riddell: that should solve our problem, at least for a bit. [11:09] builds arent that busy. at least the ones that are actually working [11:11] thanks [11:15] no problem === mhb_ is now known as mhb === TiMiDo_ is now known as TiMiDo [13:31] <_buz> is this just placebo or is kde4 in some cases a lot faster [13:32] it ought to be faster [13:32] qt 4 is faster [13:34] <_buz> yaeh i heard that ;) [13:34] <_buz> now if only i could figure out how to get kwin_composite to get some real bling :) [13:35] * Hobbsee ponders installing it [13:36] <_buz> i assume its not in stdin's packages? [13:36] it should be [13:36] although I can't say for sure since it wouldn't work on this machine [13:38] <_buz> how would i activate it? [13:39] <_buz> googled before, didnt find anything [13:39] no idea, as I say I can't test it [13:39] right-click on titlebar -> Configure Window Behavior afaik [13:43] mm, if I tell it to use xrender it sort of works [13:44] <_buz> it complains i have no compositing but beryl runs on this machine [13:44] <_buz> maybe it cant be used on :1 only on :0 [13:45] <_buz> and the complaint is only logged to stdout, not very obvious :P [13:45] perhaps it wasn't built w/ compositing enabled? [13:46] I doubt compositing works on xephyr if that's what you're using [13:47] oh yeah it wouldn't work if run in xephyr [13:52] mhh compiz works, kwin_composite doesnt seem to [14:00] seele: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2296/2049233127_b8c85ded41_m.jpg [14:00] greetings [14:01] DaSkreech: bigger version in http://www.flickr.com/photos/anuragp/2049233127/ :) [14:01] it's from pradeepto [14:01] I know it's a nice Pic [14:02] I love the idea it falls right into wade's mindset [14:02] * Jucato remembers the last time seele's pic was put up... [14:02] * DaSkreech doesnt [14:03] good... er afternoon [14:03] DaSkreech: search for the Dot article on seele's behindkde interview [14:03] hi stdin [14:03] hey Jucato [14:03] stdin: was kdebase built with compositing enabled? (not sure how to check though) [14:03] (rc1) [14:04] build log? [14:04] it's stdin's package anyway, I think :) [14:04] hmm, not sure [14:04] it should be [14:04] kwin will also try to detect if it can use OpenGL and disable it if it can't [14:04] iirc last time I built kde from svn and didn't have xrender-dev and xdamage-dev installed, it didn't have compositing.. no nice effects.. not sure if those 2 are the right packages [14:07] Jucato: well it build-deps on those and libxcomposite-dev, so I guess cmake should have enabled it [14:07] aho k [14:07] ah ok [14:09] Jucato: 2006? === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [14:10] DaSkreech: http://dot.kde.org/1156972507/ [14:10] kdebase-kde4 cmake log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45364/ [14:11] Oh you wanted me to read that page? [14:12] ah I see [14:13] DaSkreech: yeah, pradeepto sent me the link yesterday [14:14] hi seele! :) [14:14] hihi Jucato [14:15] * seele yawns [14:15] up too late last night [14:15] hehe ;) [14:16] must have had some fun :) [14:16] compensate by not being up to early :) [14:17] * Serega ran into some big issue :) http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117664 Oops [14:17] KDE bug 117664 in general "Kaffeine needs restart after changing playback engine" [Normal,New] [14:20] Serega: do you know if there's a kde 4 version of kaffeine in the works? [14:21] Riddell: no, I don't [14:21] iirc, sebas said he'd do a port [14:23] Riddell: there is no mention about KDE4 on homesite, at least [14:24] weeeeeeeee [14:24] thankx guys for the KDE 4 rc1 packages [14:24] "_ [14:24] :) [14:24] lnxkde: :-) [14:24] 95% downloaded right now [14:24] :) [14:24] Now hustle over to #kde and thank them for the KDE 4 [14:25] DaSkreech: kde-dev [14:25] ;) [14:25] or kde4-dev [14:25] Yeah I was about to say :) [14:26] it says chanel mode secret [14:26] ... [14:26] * DaSkreech plays Bond theme [14:26] #kde4-devel [14:26] lol [14:26] that was all [14:26] :) [14:28] * lnxkde runs naked from kubuntu-devel to kde4-devel and backwards [14:29] Heya [14:30] back [14:30] which branch is kde4addons from? [14:31] trunk most probably [14:31] * Jucato wonders why lnxkde had to leave one room to enter another room.. [14:32] no I was just login back in to kde4 [14:32] :D [14:33] brb [14:34] playing with my system [14:37] hehe, I knew it https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-November/022704.html [14:38] it'd be really nice if teams could have sub ppa-s. [14:39] hi Hobbsee! [14:39] sub ppa? [14:39] as in, production, and random miscellanea, from teh same tiem [14:39] er, same team [14:40] ah [14:40] currently kubuntu-team only has one? [14:40] yes [14:40] * Jucato wonders if a new LP account for that could be created just for that [14:41] ~kubuntu-members-kde4 [14:41] kubuntu-team-misc.. just for the ppa hehehe :) [14:41] yeah well. that's not a bad idea. [14:41] pity we've already published the URL and all. [14:41] or kubuntu-members-production [14:42] i guess it would only be for kde4. [14:42] someone here when doing about in konqueror and other kde4 rc programs it says it is beta 4 and not rc1....? [14:43] what version # is it saying specifically? 0.3x.x? [14:43] 3,96.00 (KDE 4.0 Beta4) [14:43] that says [14:44] the Beta4 might be an upstream error. the version # is correct though [14:44] 3.96 is rc1 [14:44] :) [14:45] I'd forgotten I'l put konversation, smplayer etc on my ppa. hope people like the new packages :p [14:45] * Hobbsee registers the team [14:45] stdin: you know, you could just apply by email. [14:46] stdin: which version of konvi? [14:46] particularly seeing as we're not going to have a meeting this week [14:46] stdin: yeah.. *someone* already did :) [14:46] Jucato: 1.0.2~svn20071012-0 :) [14:46] koolious! [14:47] ok, if you see a message in kubuntu-devel@ with the subject "Please, oh come on, lemme in" you know who it's from [14:48] heh [14:48] stdin: you? [14:49] probably, as soon as I get around to writing it :p [14:50] in about 20~mins the new kdebase-workspace should be built [14:50] then I'll requeue kdepim-kde3 [14:50] *4 [14:53] kde4-rc1 error: http://dpaste.com/25517/ [14:53] so you didn't remove all the old packages then [14:54] !brokenkde4 | jetsaredim [14:54] jetsaredim: If you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime » [14:55] stdin: pretty sure i did [14:55] http://dpaste.com/25518/ [14:56] jetsaredim: you can't have kde4multimedia-data is a kde beta package [14:56] jetsaredim: just add those 3 packages to the end of the apt-get line [14:56] *5 packages [14:57] what you need to do is remove all the kde4 packages and then install the new ones on a "clean" system [14:57] then re-try the kdelibs5 install? [14:58] no, remove it all, then run the apt-get command from the announcement [14:59] yea [14:59] that's what i mean [14:59] that seems to have worked [14:59] and that should give me a working kde4 install? [14:59] should give you no more trouble [14:59] i have been trying to follow the kde4 stuff since beta1 and never have been able to get a usable window manager [15:38] jpatrick: I'm not porting kaffeine [15:39] Never planned, won't do. [15:39] I hope something like codeine, based on Phonon will pop up. [15:39] isn't codeine ported already? or at least there was news of it being ported long ago [15:39] and being just called "video player" [15:40] <\sh> kaffeine, codeine ... what's next heroine? [15:40] oh and hi sebas! :) [15:40] no, Jucatine! [15:40] * Tm_T hides [15:40] sebas: couldn't have pradeepto chosen a less "menacing" pic of you? :) [15:40] that sounds like Ovaltine... [15:43] sebas: ah, ok, must of been someone else [15:44] Jucato: There are none :) [15:44] hahah :) === mars is now known as marseillai [15:51] too bad i really think kaffeine is the best of the current media players [15:51] largely because you can have the controls during fullscreen [15:51] (um....) [15:51] so does kplayer and kmplayer :) [15:51] (haven't tried smplayer or codeine) [15:54] well i havent used those in a long time :) [15:54] for me the alternative is mplayer or vlc :) [15:55] mplayer + kde frontends = kplayer/kmplayer :) [15:55] vlc is going the way of qt afaik [15:56] yeah, but the qt4 interface is totally broken last time I compiled it [15:56] Jucato: false [15:56] Kmplayer = mplayer/gst/xine + KDE-frontend [15:57] not just mplayer [15:57] heh ok fine [15:57] kmplayer does not depend on mplayer [15:58] yup [15:58] (missed my point but anyway...) [15:59] is it just me or is it impossible to move those plasmoids on kubuntus rc ? [15:59] (of kde4) [16:00] some others claim too [16:00] I can make them spin around only [16:02] is there a package-manager like adept for kde4 yet ? [16:02] uhh, kdebase-workspace is taking forever to build [16:02] mikkael: someone told me that there was work being done on kpackage again, but so far none [16:03] stdin: are you updating your packages ? [16:04] mikkael: yeah, kdepim-kde4 needs a -dev package that wan't built [16:04] wan wan [16:06] been building for >1 hour and it's at 10% [16:07] uh oh :) [16:07] took about 40mins last time [16:07] hi all [16:09] elow [16:13] i find a bug in kopete 0.12.7 :/ [16:15] yes? [16:16] Tm_T: yes, i can't use kopete normally :( [16:17] and bug is... [16:17] wait [16:17] I repor in bugs.kde http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152604 [16:17] KDE bug 152604 in Now Listening Plugin "Kopete crashes sometimes without a reason and I think is problem of the "Now listening" plugin." [Crash,Unconfirmed] [16:17] rouzic: what other plugins used? [16:18] Tm_T: notes, booksmarks and netmeeting [16:18] rouzic: umm ok [16:19] rouzic: install kdenetwork-dbg [16:19] stdin: does kde-style-qtcurve work on your install as expected ? [16:19] Tm right :) [16:19] mikkael: yeah, using it now [16:19] rouzic: when it crashes next time, paste trace to bug report [16:19] stdin: can you change it's default look ? [16:20] Tm_T: :) [16:20] mikkael: yeah, from the Configure button [16:21] stdin: i installed your package of qtcurve, but still: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-style-qtcurve/+bug/135847 [16:21] Launchpad bug 135847 in kde-style-qtcurve "kde style qtcurve doesnt apply changes" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:22] mikkael: changes apply fine with my install, I've just switched between 3 or 4 while we were talking [16:23] stdin: do you have any idea how i could find out why this is not working on here ? [16:24] mikkael: not sure, it worked from the start here, never needed to do anything [16:26] if i run systemsettings in a terminal i dont get very useful output..only this line "systemsettings: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program".. but thats language-related i guess [16:27] mikkael: yeah, I get that to [16:32] Tm_T: are you kubuntu's developer? [16:32] its* [16:33] rouzic: we all are in our own way [16:36] jpatrick: :) [16:38] now kopete don't crashes.... i hate kopete xD [16:38] mornin' you kubuhamsters! [16:38] nixternal!!!! [16:38] hi nixternal [16:39] what a wonderful sleep that was...I woke up fresh, and ready to hack on something [16:39] yay! [16:39] * Jucato puts "kubuntu" on nixternal's table :) [16:39] that should be enough for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and whatever meals you take [16:40] ... for a whole month :) [16:40] kdepim-kde4 building :) [16:41]