[00:24] <claydoh> mmm kwin compositing....yum
[00:24] <claydoh> thanks for the rc packages, guys!
[00:25] <stdin> yeah, kwin composite is rather nice
[00:28] <yuriy> oh yeah, got to try it and see what it looks like without debugging symbols
[00:30] <yuriy> is it safe to use the upgrader feisty->gutsy yet?
[00:31] <stdin> it's been safe for a while, just enable -proposed and should be smooth
[00:31] <yuriy> k, i held off upgrading at first because of the issues, and haven't gotten around to it since, so i'll probably set it off tonight
[00:34] <stdin> worked well when I upgraded my desktop
[00:34] <stdin> and it's been from dapper -> edgy -> feisty -> gutsy
[02:34] <stdin> Riddell: kdepim-kde4 build-deps on libplasma-dev, but kdebase-workspace didn't make a libplasma-dev  with libplasma1
[04:20] <nixternal> http://vorian.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/snapshot3.png
[04:20] <nixternal> hey everyone, check out what vorian did ^^ :p
[04:20] <nixternal> that is awesome!
[04:20] <vorian> damn you nixternal !!!!!!!!!!!
[04:20] <nixternal> hahahaha
[04:20]  * vorian hides
[04:20] <nixternal> dude, that is the craziest thing I have ever seen
[04:20] <nixternal> I would have expected a crazy crash and mess
[04:21] <Hobbsee> looks nice
[04:21] <nixternal> you get what it is though Hobbsee?
[04:21] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:21] <nixternal> that is insane
[04:21] <Hobbsee> kde4 with kde3 panel inside it
[04:21] <nixternal> I would have expected a mess
[04:21] <nixternal> Hobbsee: that is KDE 4 and KDE 3.5.8 running simultaneously
[04:21] <nixternal> he forgot to edit his startkde file in the svn build
[04:21] <Tm_T> lovely
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hah.  classy
[04:22] <Tm_T> vorian: AAAHHHAHAHAHA!
[04:22]  * Tm_T hides
[04:22] <nixternal> lol
[04:22]  * vorian cries
[04:22] <nixternal> hehehe
[04:22] <nixternal> vorian: that is a testament at just how rock solid KDE is
[04:22] <Tm_T> vorian: now I'm not alone
[04:22] <vorian> absolutely
[04:22] <nixternal> gnome would have barfed and turned into windows 95
[04:22] <nixternal> Tm_T: you did that too?
[04:23] <vorian> *makes a new .desktop entry*
[04:23] <Tm_T> nixternal: not exactly same, though I had KDE3 components too all over the place
[04:23] <nixternal> I did it last month on my desktop and it hosered my stuff up pretty good
[04:24] <Tm_T> nixternal: somehow Kubuntu defaults gone on in KDE4
[04:24] <Tm_T> "oo goody, we need this and that oooo it's only in KDE3"
[04:37] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Wait. When was gnome not windows 95 ?
[04:38]  * ScottK is thinking Windows 95 had more options.
[04:38]  * DaSkreech cracks up
[04:40] <nixternal> hahahaha, nice!
[04:40] <Tm_T> ScottK: but hey, that would just confuse users
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Always give the user options
[04:41] <DaSkreech> ALWAYS
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Like Allow or deny ?
[04:41]  * ScottK understands some consider choice to be bad.  Some of us consider freedom to be good (which is why we use free software).
[04:42]  * ScottK really doesn't understand Gnome at all.
[04:42] <DaSkreech> ScottK: Well we don't really :)
[04:42] <DaSkreech> ScottK: install Gobuntu
[04:42] <vorian> *crosses fingers*
[04:42]  * DaSkreech crosses legs
[04:42] <ScottK> DaSkreech: I like it to actually work.
[04:43]  * Hobbsee isnt minding gnome much
[04:43] <ScottK> Actually, on my laptop I'd lose wireless and modem, but it'd work wired just fine.
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: I just can't get used to not having Alt+ctrl+A
[04:43] <ScottK> I suspect my desktop would run it without issue.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: which does?
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Oh! Still use KDE much ?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> no, i dont have it installed
[04:45] <Hobbsee> what does it do?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> When a taskbar entru is requesting your attention it brings it to the front
[04:45] <DaSkreech> I can't live with out it now
[04:45] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:45] <DaSkreech> it actually hurts my head when it doesn't work
[04:46] <DaSkreech> If you are blinking WHY isn't there a way for me to call You?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:47] <DaSkreech> I've been sitting at the keyboard in Vista hitting them for a few seconds before I opened control panel to see if I disabled it before it suddenly occurred to me that not all computers come with that key combo
[04:47]  * ScottK makes note of that one.
[04:47] <DaSkreech> seriously the next time something flashes just press alt+ctrl+A
[04:48] <DaSkreech> in a week you will do it without thinking about it
[04:48] <DaSkreech> in a month it's hardwired into your genes
[04:48] <DaSkreech> you will pass it on to your forked processes
[04:48] <DaSkreech> ScottK: konversation ?
[04:49] <ScottK> Yes, why?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> ScottK: you have notifications on?
[04:49] <ScottK> As a rule no, but alt+ctrl+A visibly marks one away (as I discovered when I was trying to figure out what it did).
[04:52] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[04:52] <DaSkreech> turn on notifications for someone saying your name -> flash taskbar entry
[04:52] <DaSkreech> I have it with the OSD as well but that's not here or there
[04:54] <DaSkreech> then you can just do work and if anyone says your name alt+ctrl+A pops it up and yo ucan answer alt+F3 N and back to work
[04:56] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee_ The sequel :)
[04:56] <Hobbsee_> indeed!
[05:08] <yuriy> while upgrading to gutsy: "could not install 'debconf'"... subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Segmentation fault), core dumped
[05:08] <yuriy> same thing for x11-common
[05:12] <yuriy> now it seems to be stuck on "preparing to configure libaa1"
[05:12] <yuriy> which it probably can't do because it didn't install debconf
[05:13] <yuriy> and the show/hide terminal button is broken
[05:13]  * Hobbsee wonders why debconf segfaulted.
[05:19]  * yuriy kills the upgrader, kills all adept processes, does dpkgs --configure -a, aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade, and crosses fingers
[05:30]  * ScottK has done it with apt.
[06:36] <yuriy> well that was far from pretty, but my desktop is finally on gutsy
[07:36] <harolddong> are we supposed to able to move the plasmoids in the rc?
[07:37] <Tm_T> who knows
[07:37] <harolddong> well are other finding that they aren't able to move them?
[07:37] <harolddong> *other people
[07:39] <Tm_T> harolddong: sorry, I haven't compiled it (yet)
[07:39] <harolddong> oh so I take it that all the rc stuff isnt in the repos yet even thought there'sa link on the kubuntu page?
[07:41] <Tm_T> no, I don't use those packages
[07:41] <harolddong> just wondering because some screnshots popping up of rc1 look very different than what I've setup on my system from the repos
[07:41] <harolddong> I'm a little confused
[07:42] <harolddong> what's a better way to get it then
[07:42] <harolddong> right from the tarballs?
[07:42] <Tm_T> packages are best way
[07:42] <harolddong> you mean from the main kde site?
[07:43] <Tm_T> harolddong: no, the way you got it
[07:43] <Tm_T> (as instructed in kubuntu.org)
[07:43] <harolddong> then why does it still seem so wonky
[07:43] <harolddong> I thought this was supposed to be pretty ironed out
[07:44] <Tm_T> mm, well, apps are still beta
[07:44] <Tm_T> the underlying system is RC
[07:44] <harolddong> plasma is a problem
[07:44] <Tm_T> and that's more app layer
[07:45] <harolddong> if I open a new applet I can'tclose it over move it at all
[07:45] <harolddong> but apparently that's not supposed to an issue in the rc
[07:45] <Tm_T> I haven't really got any working applet thus far, though my last experience is from first beta or so
[07:46] <harolddong> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=50876&d=1195618969
[07:46] <harolddong> like
[07:46] <harolddong> is THAT the RC
[07:46] <harolddong> cause that's not what it looks like in kubuntu
[07:46] <harolddong> it still has that useless panel
[07:47] <harolddong> instead of a plasmoid panel
[07:47] <Tm_T> sorry, no idea
[07:53] <Tm_T> ERM!
[08:05] <Captain_Redbeard> Good morning guys
[08:05] <Captain_Redbeard> Tm_T, do we know something new about the KDE4 versions? :)
[08:20] <Tm_T> Captain_Redbeard: RC1 platform, Beta5 apps
[08:22] <Captain_Redbeard> Tm_T, Oh? So basically they have done nothing to the platform, fallen behind schedule even more and decided to call it RC1? :O
[08:22] <Tm_T> Captain_Redbeard: no
[08:24] <Captain_Redbeard> Tm_T, no?
[08:28] <Tm_T> just failure in versioning
[08:29] <Captain_Redbeard> Tm_T, how do you mean?
[08:29] <Tm_T> should be RC2 I'd say (while apps are still beta)
[08:59] <buz> stdin: any plans to also package plasma-playground?
[09:03]  * Jucato stretches... then waves to everyone
[09:11]  * Nightrose waves to Jucato
[09:11]  * buz wonders if there is an easy way to install hardy on a partition without having to reboot
[09:12] <Jucato> hi Nightrose :)
[09:18] <buz> mhh if i could use a real partition as virtualbox device it would work
[09:18] <buz> qemu can do that :P
[10:00] <Riddell> stdin: kdepim needs the new kdebase-workspace, sorry
[10:05] <buz> humm the battery level plasmoid says no battery installed but guidance-power-manager lists it just fine
[10:08] <buz> i have no idea why, but stdin's poppler package are a LOT faster than the ones i had before
[10:24] <Jucato> what would be the difference between using qt-copy from svn and using our own qt4 packages?
[10:24] <Tm_T> no real difference should be
[10:24] <Jucato> ok
[10:25] <Tm_T> IIRC
[10:25] <Tm_T> I might be wrong though ;)
[10:25] <Jucato> hm.. ok :)
[10:27] <Tm_T> Jucato: see what patches are left
[10:27] <Tm_T> left to be enabled
[10:27] <Tm_T> if none, no difference
[10:27] <Jucato> ah so our qt4 package is actually based on qt-copy?
[10:32] <Tm_T> no, qt-copy should be qt+some patches
[10:32] <Tm_T> (usually something that will be in next qt release)
[10:33] <Tm_T> feel free to correct me if needed
[10:33] <Jucato> I'm the one asking, so I can't correct :)
[10:33]  * Jucato doesn't know
[10:38] <Tm_T> Jucato: then consider it as truth until proven otherwise ;)
[10:51]  * Hobbsee ponders installing kde4.
[10:51] <Riddell> do it
[10:51] <Riddell> it's been my default desktop for a whole day now
[10:51] <Hobbsee> and how many times has it crashed?
[10:51] <Riddell> no more than KDE 3 has
[10:52] <Tm_T> heh
[10:52] <Tm_T> Riddell: what I said about Qt, true?
[10:54] <Riddell> Tm_T: what did you say?
[10:55] <Tm_T> 1232 < Tm_T> no, qt-copy should be qt+some patches
[10:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what do i install?
[10:55] <Hobbsee> and does it just work?
[10:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: see kubuntu.org
[10:55] <Riddell> pretty much, kdm might not install properly and you need to copy the xsession by hand
[10:55] <Riddell> Tm_T: qy-copy is indeed qt plus patches
[10:56] <Riddell> qt-copy
[10:56] <Hobbsee> i'm using gdm, logically
[10:56] <Riddell> our qt is also qt plus patches, there shouldn't be much difference
[10:57] <Tm_T> thought so
[10:57] <Tm_T> Riddell: and those patches are from/to upstream eventually, right?
[10:58] <Riddell> Tm_T: mostly yes
[10:58] <Tm_T> yay, my head isn't totally soften then
[10:59]  * Tm_T has more and more medication
[10:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: E: Couldn't find package kdebase-dev-kde4
[11:00] <Hobbsee> (hardy)
[11:00] <Riddell> oh, hardy
[11:00] <Riddell> it hasn't compiled on hardy yet
[11:00] <Hobbsee> yes
[11:00] <Hobbsee> why not?
[11:00] <Riddell> dunno, buildds seem busy, probably a debian import going on
[11:01] <Hobbsee> which hasnt built yet?
[11:01] <Riddell> kde4libs
[11:01] <Riddell> and thus everything else
[11:01] <Hobbsee> oh, i see
[11:02] <Hobbsee> yup
[11:02] <Tm_T> heh
[11:03] <Hobbsee> i'ts done on i386
[11:04] <Riddell> yes, hopefully amd64 will follow
[11:04]  * Hobbsee helps it along a bit
[11:05] <Tm_T> push or kick?
[11:05] <Tm_T> or pointy click?
[11:05] <Hobbsee> either.
[11:05]  * Tm_T goes poetic
[11:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that should solve our problem, at least for a bit.
[11:09] <Hobbsee> builds arent that busy.  at least the ones that are actually working
[11:11] <Riddell> thanks
[11:15] <Hobbsee> no problem
[13:31] <_buz> is this just placebo or is kde4 in some cases a lot faster
[13:32] <Riddell> it ought to be faster
[13:32] <Riddell> qt 4 is faster
[13:34] <_buz> yaeh i heard that ;)
[13:34] <_buz> now if only i could figure out how to get kwin_composite to get some real bling :)
[13:35]  * Hobbsee ponders installing it
[13:36] <_buz> i assume its not in stdin's packages?
[13:36] <Riddell> it should be
[13:36] <Riddell> although I can't say for sure since it wouldn't work on this machine
[13:38] <_buz> how would i activate it?
[13:39] <_buz> googled before, didnt find anything
[13:39] <Riddell> no idea, as I say I can't test it
[13:39] <Jucato> right-click on titlebar -> Configure Window Behavior afaik
[13:43] <Riddell> mm, if I tell it to use xrender it sort of works
[13:44] <_buz> it complains i have no compositing but beryl runs on this machine
[13:44] <_buz> maybe it cant be used on :1 only on :0
[13:45] <_buz> and the complaint is only logged to stdout, not very obvious :P
[13:45] <Jucato> perhaps it wasn't built w/ compositing enabled?
[13:46] <Riddell> I doubt compositing works on xephyr if that's what you're using
[13:47] <Jucato> oh yeah it wouldn't work if run in xephyr
[13:52] <buz> mhh compiz works, kwin_composite doesnt seem to
[14:00] <DaSkreech> seele: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2296/2049233127_b8c85ded41_m.jpg
[14:00] <Serega> greetings
[14:01] <Jucato> DaSkreech: bigger version in http://www.flickr.com/photos/anuragp/2049233127/ :)
[14:01] <Jucato> it's from pradeepto
[14:01] <DaSkreech> I know it's a nice Pic
[14:02] <DaSkreech> I love the idea it falls right into wade's mindset
[14:02]  * Jucato remembers the last time seele's pic was put up...
[14:02]  * DaSkreech doesnt
[14:03] <stdin> good... er afternoon
[14:03] <Jucato> DaSkreech: search for the Dot article on seele's behindkde interview
[14:03] <Jucato> hi stdin
[14:03] <stdin> hey Jucato
[14:03] <Jucato> stdin: was kdebase built with compositing enabled? (not sure how to check though)
[14:03] <Jucato> (rc1)
[14:04] <jpatrick> build log?
[14:04] <Jucato> it's stdin's package anyway, I think :)
[14:04] <stdin> hmm, not sure
[14:04] <stdin> it should be
[14:04] <stdin> kwin will also try to detect if it can use OpenGL and disable it if it can't
[14:04] <Jucato> iirc last time I built kde from svn and didn't have xrender-dev and xdamage-dev installed, it didn't have compositing.. no nice effects.. not sure if those 2 are the right packages
[14:07] <stdin> Jucato: well it build-deps on those and libxcomposite-dev, so I guess cmake should have enabled it
[14:07] <Jucato> aho k
[14:07] <Jucato> ah ok
[14:09] <DaSkreech> Jucato: 2006?
[14:10] <Jucato> DaSkreech: http://dot.kde.org/1156972507/
[14:10] <jpatrick> kdebase-kde4 cmake log: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45364/
[14:11] <DaSkreech> Oh you wanted me to read that page?
[14:12] <DaSkreech> ah I see
[14:13] <seele> DaSkreech: yeah, pradeepto sent me the link yesterday
[14:14] <Jucato> hi seele! :)
[14:14] <seele> hihi Jucato
[14:15]  * seele yawns
[14:15] <seele> up too late last night
[14:15] <Jucato> hehe ;)
[14:16] <Jucato> must have had some fun :)
[14:16] <DaSkreech> compensate by not being up to early :)
[14:17]  * Serega ran into some big issue :) http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117664 Oops
[14:17] <ubotu> KDE bug 117664 in general "Kaffeine needs restart after changing playback engine" [Normal,New]
[14:20] <Riddell> Serega: do you know if there's a kde 4 version of kaffeine in the works?
[14:21] <Serega> Riddell: no, I don't
[14:21] <jpatrick> iirc, sebas said he'd do a port
[14:23] <Serega> Riddell: there is no mention about KDE4 on homesite, at least
[14:24] <lnxkde> weeeeeeeee
[14:24] <lnxkde> thankx guys for the KDE 4 rc1 packages
[14:24] <lnxkde> "_
[14:24] <lnxkde> :)
[14:24] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: :-)
[14:24] <lnxkde> 95% downloaded right now
[14:24] <lnxkde> :)
[14:24] <DaSkreech> Now hustle over to #kde and thank them for the KDE 4
[14:25] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: kde-dev
[14:25] <lnxkde> ;)
[14:25] <lnxkde> or kde4-dev
[14:25] <DaSkreech> Yeah I was about to say :)
[14:26] <lnxkde> it says chanel mode secret
[14:26] <lnxkde> ...
[14:26]  * DaSkreech plays Bond theme
[14:26] <vorian> #kde4-devel
[14:26] <lnxkde> lol
[14:26] <lnxkde> that was all
[14:26] <vorian> :)
[14:28]  * lnxkde runs naked from kubuntu-devel to kde4-devel and backwards
[14:29] <bddebian> Heya
[14:30] <lnxkde> back
[14:30] <vorian> which branch is kde4addons from?
[14:31] <Jucato> trunk most probably
[14:31]  * Jucato wonders why lnxkde had to leave one room to enter another room..
[14:32] <lnxkde> no I was just login back in to kde4
[14:32] <lnxkde> :D
[14:33] <lnxkde> brb
[14:34] <lnxkde> playing with my system
[14:37] <stdin> hehe, I knew it https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-November/022704.html
[14:38] <Hobbsee> it'd be really nice if teams could have sub ppa-s.
[14:39] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[14:39] <Jucato> sub ppa?
[14:39] <Hobbsee> as in, production, and random miscellanea, from teh same tiem
[14:39] <Hobbsee> er, same team
[14:40] <Jucato> ah
[14:40] <Jucato> currently kubuntu-team only has one?
[14:40] <Hobbsee> yes
[14:40]  * Jucato wonders if a new LP account for that could be created just for that
[14:41] <Hobbsee> ~kubuntu-members-kde4
[14:41] <Jucato> kubuntu-team-misc.. just for the ppa hehehe :)
[14:41] <Hobbsee> yeah well.  that's not a bad idea.
[14:41] <Hobbsee> pity we've already published the URL and all.
[14:41] <Hobbsee> or kubuntu-members-production
[14:42] <Hobbsee> i guess it would only be for kde4.
[14:42] <lnxkde> someone here when doing about in konqueror and other kde4 rc programs it says it is beta 4 and not rc1....?
[14:43] <Jucato> what version # is it saying specifically? 0.3x.x?
[14:43] <lnxkde> 3,96.00 (KDE 4.0 Beta4)
[14:43] <lnxkde> that says
[14:44] <Jucato> the Beta4 might be an upstream error. the version # is correct though
[14:44] <Jucato> 3.96 is rc1
[14:44] <lnxkde> :)
[14:45] <stdin> I'd forgotten I'l put konversation, smplayer etc on my ppa. hope people like the new packages :p
[14:45]  * Hobbsee registers the team
[14:45] <Hobbsee> stdin: you know, you could just apply by email.
[14:46] <Jucato> stdin: which version of konvi?
[14:46] <Hobbsee> particularly seeing as we're not going to have a meeting this week
[14:46] <Jucato> stdin: yeah.. *someone* already did :)
[14:46] <stdin> Jucato: 1.0.2~svn20071012-0 :)
[14:46] <Jucato> koolious!
[14:47] <stdin> ok, if you see a message in kubuntu-devel@ with the subject "Please, oh come on, lemme in"  you know who it's from
[14:48] <Jucato> heh
[14:48] <Tm_T> stdin: you?
[14:49] <stdin> probably, as soon as I get around to writing it :p
[14:50] <stdin> in about 20~mins the new kdebase-workspace should be built
[14:50] <stdin> then I'll requeue kdepim-kde3
[14:50] <stdin> *4
[14:53] <jetsaredim> kde4-rc1 error: http://dpaste.com/25517/
[14:53] <stdin> so you didn't remove all the old packages then
[14:54] <stdin> !brokenkde4 | jetsaredim
[14:54] <ubotu> jetsaredim: If you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime »
[14:55] <jetsaredim> stdin: pretty sure i did
[14:55] <jetsaredim> http://dpaste.com/25518/
[14:56] <stdin> jetsaredim: you can't have kde4multimedia-data is a kde beta package
[14:56] <stdin> jetsaredim: just add those 3 packages to the end of the apt-get line
[14:56] <stdin> *5 packages
[14:57] <stdin> what you need to do is remove all the kde4 packages and then install the new ones on a "clean" system
[14:57] <jetsaredim> then re-try the kdelibs5 install?
[14:58] <stdin> no, remove it all, then run the apt-get command from the announcement
[14:59] <jetsaredim> yea
[14:59] <jetsaredim> that's what i mean
[14:59] <jetsaredim> that seems to have worked
[14:59] <jetsaredim> and that should give me a working kde4 install?
[14:59] <stdin> should give you no more trouble
[14:59] <jetsaredim> i have been trying to follow the kde4 stuff since beta1 and never have been able to get a usable window manager
[15:38] <sebas> jpatrick: I'm not porting kaffeine
[15:39] <sebas> Never planned, won't do.
[15:39] <sebas> I hope something like codeine, based on Phonon will pop up.
[15:39] <Jucato> isn't codeine ported already? or at least there was news of it being ported long ago
[15:39] <Jucato> and being just called "video player"
[15:40] <\sh> kaffeine, codeine ... what's next heroine?
[15:40] <Jucato> oh and hi sebas! :)
[15:40] <Tm_T> no, Jucatine!
[15:40]  * Tm_T hides
[15:40] <Jucato> sebas: couldn't have pradeepto chosen a less "menacing" pic of you? :)
[15:40] <Jucato> that sounds like Ovaltine...
[15:43] <jpatrick> sebas: ah, ok, must of been someone else
[15:44] <sebas> Jucato: There are none :)
[15:44] <Jucato> hahah :)
[15:51] <buz> too bad i really think kaffeine is the best of the current media players
[15:51] <buz> largely because you can have the controls during fullscreen
[15:51] <Jucato> (um....)
[15:51] <Jucato> so does kplayer and kmplayer :)
[15:51] <Jucato> (haven't tried smplayer or codeine)
[15:54] <buz> well i havent used those in a long time :)
[15:54] <buz> for me the alternative is mplayer or vlc :)
[15:55] <Jucato> mplayer + kde frontends = kplayer/kmplayer :)
[15:55] <Jucato> vlc is going the way of qt afaik
[15:56] <stdin> yeah, but the qt4 interface is totally broken last time I compiled it
[15:56] <Tm_T> Jucato: false
[15:56] <Tm_T> Kmplayer = mplayer/gst/xine + KDE-frontend
[15:57] <Tm_T> not just mplayer
[15:57] <Jucato> heh ok fine
[15:57] <jpatrick> kmplayer does not depend on mplayer
[15:58] <Tm_T> yup
[15:58] <Jucato> (missed my point but anyway...)
[15:59] <mikkael> is it just me or is it impossible to move those plasmoids on kubuntus rc ?
[15:59] <mikkael> (of kde4)
[16:00] <Tm_T> some others claim too
[16:00] <jpatrick> I can make them spin around only
[16:02] <mikkael> is there a package-manager like adept for kde4 yet ?
[16:02] <stdin> uhh, kdebase-workspace is taking forever to build
[16:02] <Jucato> mikkael: someone told me that there was work being done  on kpackage again, but so far none
[16:03] <mikkael> stdin: are you updating your packages ?
[16:04] <stdin> mikkael: yeah, kdepim-kde4 needs a -dev package that wan't built
[16:04] <Tm_T> wan wan
[16:06] <stdin> been building for >1 hour and it's at 10%
[16:07] <mikkael> uh oh :)
[16:07] <stdin> took about 40mins last time
[16:07] <rouzic> hi all
[16:09] <Jucato> elow
[16:13] <rouzic> i find a bug in kopete 0.12.7 :/
[16:15] <Tm_T> yes?
[16:16] <rouzic> Tm_T: yes, i can't use kopete normally :(
[16:17] <Tm_T> and bug is...
[16:17] <rouzic> wait
[16:17] <rouzic> I repor in bugs.kde http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152604
[16:17] <ubotu> KDE bug 152604 in Now Listening Plugin "Kopete crashes sometimes without a reason and I think is problem of the "Now listening" plugin." [Crash,Unconfirmed]
[16:17] <Tm_T> rouzic: what other plugins used?
[16:18] <rouzic> Tm_T: notes, booksmarks and netmeeting
[16:18] <Tm_T> rouzic: umm ok
[16:19] <Tm_T> rouzic: install kdenetwork-dbg
[16:19] <mikkael> stdin: does kde-style-qtcurve work on your install as expected ?
[16:19] <rouzic> Tm right :)
[16:19] <stdin> mikkael: yeah, using it now
[16:19] <Tm_T> rouzic: when it crashes next time, paste trace to bug report
[16:19] <mikkael> stdin: can you change it's default look ?
[16:20] <rouzic> Tm_T: :)
[16:20] <stdin> mikkael: yeah, from the Configure button
[16:21] <mikkael> stdin: i installed your package of qtcurve, but still: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-style-qtcurve/+bug/135847
[16:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135847 in kde-style-qtcurve "kde style qtcurve doesnt apply changes" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:22] <stdin> mikkael: changes apply fine with my install, I've just switched between 3 or 4 while we were talking
[16:23] <mikkael> stdin: do you have any idea how i could find out why this is not working on here ?
[16:24] <stdin> mikkael: not sure, it worked from the start here, never needed to do anything
[16:26] <mikkael> if i run systemsettings in a terminal i dont get very useful output..only this line "systemsettings: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program".. but thats language-related i guess
[16:27] <stdin> mikkael: yeah, I get that to
[16:32] <rouzic> Tm_T: are you kubuntu's developer?
[16:32] <WaltzingAlong> its*
[16:33] <jpatrick> rouzic: we all are in our own way
[16:36] <rouzic> jpatrick: :)
[16:38] <rouzic> now kopete don't crashes.... i hate kopete xD
[16:38] <nixternal> mornin' you kubuhamsters!
[16:38] <Jucato> nixternal!!!!
[16:38] <rouzic> hi nixternal
[16:39] <nixternal> what a wonderful sleep that was...I woke up fresh, and ready to hack on something
[16:39] <Jucato> yay!
[16:39]  * Jucato puts "kubuntu" on nixternal's table :)
[16:39] <Jucato> that should be enough for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and whatever meals you take
[16:40] <Jucato> ... for a whole month :)
[16:40] <stdin> kdepim-kde4 building :)
[16:41] <yuriy> hmm
[16:41]  * yuriy puts kmail4 and akregator4 on nixternal's table
[16:42] <nixternal> why those?
[16:43] <yuriy> cause stdin reminded me of them, and akregator was pretty broken last i tried
[16:44] <nixternal> hrmm, I can't connect to kde svn this morning
[16:44] <Riddell> nixternal: the RC has killed half the servers
[16:45] <nixternal> Riddell: didn't even think of that...woohoo I guess!
[16:45] <Jucato> :)
[16:46] <rouzic> Hi Riddell :)
[16:46] <Riddell> hi rouzic
[16:48] <jpatrick> Riddell: this is rouzic, founder and admin of kubuntu-es.org
[16:48] <jpatrick> and edubuntu-es.org and xubuntu-es.org..
[16:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: btw, you put kicker-taskbar-compiz into main
[16:53] <Riddell> grr
[16:53] <Riddell> one day soyuz will do the universe thing by default because I keep forgetting
[16:54] <Riddell> hola rouzic
[16:54] <rouzic> hola Riddell, recuerdo haber hablado contigo en español en kubuntu-es
[16:55] <rouzic> :)
[16:56]  * Riddell no hablo espanol
[16:57] <rouzic> Riddell: escribir :/
[17:00] <Riddell> jpatrick: it all seems to be in universe, I probably caught it before it was published
[17:01] <nixternal> Riddell: if you don't speak spanish, then why did you just speak spanish :p
[17:02] <Riddell> I have enough hispanic in me to say that I don't speak Spanish, order a Fanta Lemon and say "hmm, I think I'll do this tomorrow"
[17:09] <buz> of course, ordering beer is more important than ordering fanta lemon :P
[17:09] <Riddell> I was 12 when I learnt that
[17:10] <buz> off to an early start indeed
[17:10] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[17:10] <nixternal> Riddell: that is classic!
[17:43] <bobesponja> hi
[17:44] <bobesponja> do you know if there is a way to make xephyr window size bigger?
[17:44] <rouzic> hi bobesponja
[17:44] <bobesponja> hi rouzic
[17:46] <nixternal> bobesponja: -screen 1024x768
[17:46] <bobesponja> nixternal: thanks a lot
[17:47] <nixternal> no problemo
[17:47] <nixternal> I could never get Xephyr to work for me when I started doing the KDE SVN builds this summer
[17:48] <fdoving> it is a bit slow.
[17:48] <fdoving> was when i tested it anyway.
[17:50] <fdoving> nixternal: as you're into kde4, which svn modules do you suggest fetching to get some impression of it all? - i have kdeartwork, kdebase, kdeedu, kdegraphics, kdemultimedia, kdenetwork, kdepim, kdesdk,anything else i should have?
[17:50] <nixternal> kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase, kdegames, extragear-plasma
[17:50] <nixternal> kdegames only because some of them are really fun to play
[17:51] <nixternal> so you have everything, just add the extragear/plasma to your list and you will be good to go
[17:51] <Jucato> oh I need both extragear plasma and playground plasma...
[17:52] <nixternal> forgot about playground plasma...but all it does is give you some plasmoids that don't work
[17:52] <Jucato> where's the fun when everything works? :)
[17:52] <nixternal> so true
[17:53] <nixternal> I think what I just said was so hypocritical of my ways...I always said I don't like stable :)
[17:53] <Jucato> heheh
[17:53] <Jucato> oh man, it's raining tigers and wolves here :(
[17:53] <nixternal> cats and dogs here, but it is supposed to turn over to snow within the next 5 hours
[17:54] <nixternal> that's what I can't wait for!
[17:54] <nixternal> Jucato: I swear, everyday it is raining there
[17:54] <nixternal> I am so used to northern America weather now, I forget the rest of the world their winters and summers are way different
[17:55] <fdoving> i guess northern america is somewhat similar to norwegian winters. snow and ice for 5months?
[17:55] <nixternal> about right
[17:56] <fdoving> bbl,tv while kde4 is compiling.
[17:58] <mhb> hi folks
[17:59] <jpatrick> hi mhb
[18:02] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi
[18:03] <bobesponja> is there kopete in the RC1 package? I can't seem to find it
[18:03] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: did you get the kde4 packages built?
[18:03] <nixternal> bobesponja: no
[18:03] <nixternal> bobesponja: kopete in kde4 is far from ready
[18:03] <nixternal> err, I shouldn't say no, but I wouldn't count on it
[18:03] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: yeah, building more now
[18:03] <nixternal> if you get lucky, some days you can actually get it to build from svn
[18:03] <CPrgmSwR2> oh cool
[18:03] <nixternal> but I haven't been lucky as of yet
[18:03] <CPrgmSwR2> oh cool
[18:03] <stdin> all except kdeartwork so far
[18:04] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: are you building kdenetwork?
[18:04] <bobesponja> nixternal: it's just that they said it would be included in 4.0
[18:04] <bobesponja> by they I mean kopete devs
[18:04] <nixternal> hrmm, then if they said it, it should be there somewhere
[18:04] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: uploaded about 20mins ago
[18:05] <nixternal> bobesponja: kopete is under the kdenetwork branch, so make sure you installed that I guess
[18:05] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: and just got accepted into the queue
[18:06] <stdin> nixternal: kdenetwork was only just accepted
[18:06] <bobesponja> nixternal: I can't see it, I guess it hasn't been packaged
[18:06] <nixternal> bobesponja: then that would explain it :)
[18:07] <lnxkde> ok guys starneg thing
[18:07] <lnxkde> I got beta 4 installed...
[18:08] <lnxkde> if this is rc1 http://vizzzion.org/images/kde-4.0-post-rc1/dolphinconfig.jpg
[18:08] <bobesponja> anyway, the RC1 packages are great, it is usuable as a full session so congrats :)
[18:08] <stdin> if you mean the version of the apps says "(Beta 4)", that's a known upstream bug. as long as the version is 3.96.0 it's rc1
[18:08] <lnxkde> I got beta4
[18:08] <stdin> lnxkde: yep, read what I just said :)
[18:08] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: it will be interesting if kdenetwork builds
[18:08] <lnxkde> stdin: no... I got the old violet panel..
[18:08] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: can I have your ppa page?
[18:08] <stdin> lnxkde: ohh
[18:08] <lnxkde> I cant change wallpaper
[18:09] <lnxkde> and so on
[18:09] <lnxkde> I got beta 4 :/
[18:09] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: if you have the archive in your sources.list you'll have it when it's built
[18:09] <CPrgmSwR2> I don't
[18:10] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: that's the way then, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc1.php
[18:10] <stdin> but make sure you remove ALL old KDE4 beta packages before installing the RC
[18:11] <CPrgmSwR2> okay
[18:11] <lnxkde> stdin: yeah just noticed I had some old packeges I thinked I removed them
[18:11] <lnxkde> darn
[18:11] <lnxkde> :/
[18:11] <stdin> that's why I made...
[18:11] <stdin> !brokenkde4
[18:11] <ubotu> If you're trying to install KDE4 RC1 but getting errors about dependencies or files being overwritten, make sure you remove ALL of the KDE4 beta packages first. Try this in a !terminal: « sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l | egrep '(KDE 4|KDE PIM 4|-kde4)' |cut -d ' ' -f 3) kdebase-workspace kdebase-runtime »
[18:13] <CPrgmSwR2> E: Type 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu' is not known on line 59 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:13] <lnxkde> ok done
[18:13] <lnxkde> srdin thankx
[18:14] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: "Add "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu gutsy main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list"
[18:14] <stdin> you missed the "deb" and "gutsy main"
[18:14] <CPrgmSwR2> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu gutsy main
[18:14] <CPrgmSwR2> like this?
[18:14] <stdin> exactly
[18:14] <CPrgmSwR2> Thats what I have
[18:14] <stdin> you must have missed the deb
[18:15] <stdin> "E: Type 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu' is not known on line 59 in source list /etc/apt/sources.lis" means it didn't see a "deb" bit
[18:16] <nixternal> isn't it /~tsimpson/
[18:16] <stdin> not for the archive
[18:16] <CPrgmSwR2> I see what happen
[18:17] <lnxkde> ok installing kde4 rc1 again
[18:17] <lnxkde> :)
[18:17] <lnxkde> hopefully I will have the uptodae plasma
[18:18] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: okay I have your thing added, but its not showing up with kde4-base as 3.96
[18:18] <stdin> that's because kde4base is the old package name
[18:18] <stdin> read the announcement
[18:19] <stdin> 3rd instruction: "Install kdebase-dev-kde4 kdebase-workspace-dev kdebase-runtime"
[18:19] <stdin> 1st one is "Remove previous KDE 4 packages, they are not compatible (apt-get remove kdelibs5)" < important
[18:22]  * buz still wonders about kwin_composite
[18:23] <buz> i can turn it on, but then it complains i dont have composite
[18:23] <buz> never mind that compiz works just fine
[18:23] <stdin> #kde4-devel is the best place to ask
[18:23] <buz> i was about to go there :)
[18:40] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: they have to activate composite in the xorg.conf file
[18:40] <CPrgmSwR2> its by default set to no
[18:40] <Jucato> they don't have to. I didn't
[18:40] <CPrgmSwR2> --> Option		"Composite"	"0"
[18:40]  * Jucato goes to bed
[18:41] <CPrgmSwR2> Thats what mine has right now
[18:41] <stdin> me either
[18:41] <nixternal> k'nite again!
[18:41] <Jucato> heheh
[18:41] <Jucato> k'night *
[18:42] <stdin> damn, why did the Ubuntu language pack builders pick now to take over i386 buildds
[18:44] <stdin> with >150 packages....
[18:49] <mikkael> whats the command to start that plasma browser, that sits in the corner ?
[18:50] <sebas> plasmaappletbrowser?
[18:53] <mikkael> hmm command not found
[18:53] <mikkael> i launched an empty session, now the thing in the corner is missing
[19:19] <rouzic> Tm_T: kopete crashed :D
[19:23] <rouzic> Tm_T: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45395/ :)
[19:26] <jdong> anyone planning to package ktorrent 2.2.4?
[19:26] <jdong> cuz I call dibs!
[19:26] <jdong> "2.2.4 is out, this fixes a crash in 2.2.3 and some other minor stuff. There are also some improvements made to the webgui."
[19:26] <jdong> ^^ changelog of the day award
[19:28] <fdoving> nixternal: around? - i'm missing the icons in kde4, any clue what i've done or not done?
[19:28] <nixternal> umm, you are missing all of the icons?
[19:29] <fdoving> yeah, i'm missing the icon themes, basically.
[19:29] <nixternal> wow, I thought those were installed with kdelibs
[19:29] <nixternal> can you look in system settings and see if the oxygen icon theme is even listed?
[19:29] <fdoving> the list is empty.
[19:29] <fdoving> the files are there.
[19:29] <jpatrick> installed kde-icons-oxygen?
[19:29] <jpatrick> ah right
[19:29] <fdoving> i'll try to figure it out.
[19:30] <nixternal> that is weird...did you just recently update or something?
[19:31] <fdoving> yep.
[19:31] <fdoving> directly from svn as of today.
[19:32] <fdoving> i can cheat. package the files to ~/.kde4
[19:32] <nixternal> man, I am building the latest right now, don't scare me :)
[19:32] <fdoving> s/package/copy
[19:32] <fdoving> might aswell be some old configs i have left from earlier.
[19:32] <nixternal> it could be, especially if you haven't udpated in a while
[19:32] <fdoving> 1.5months since i updated kde4 now.
[19:33] <nixternal> I have my ~/.kde4 wiped after every logoff
[19:33] <fdoving> i wiped mine before this login.
[19:33] <fdoving> maybe that's the problem :)
[19:33] <nixternal> since we started the KDE 4 Krush days, I have been wiping .kde4 every rip and never had a problem
[19:35] <fdoving> the styles and everything else is there.
[19:35] <fdoving> only icons missing.
[19:36] <fdoving> didn't work copying them to ~/.kde4/share/icons either.
[19:36] <fdoving> hmm.
[19:37] <nixternal> I am waiting for kdepim to build before I can log back in
[19:39] <fdoving> nixternal: tsdgeos> fdoving: code is wrong, svn up and make install again
[19:40] <fdoving> nixternal: let's hope you got that fix then. :)
[19:53] <jdong> any core-dev in the mood for sponsoring ktorrent 2.2.4? Built and tested here already
[20:12] <Riddell> jdong: got a link?
[20:12] <jdong> Riddell: bug #164394
[20:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164394 in ktorrent "SPONSOR: KTorrent 2.2.4" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164394
[20:17] <Riddell> jdong: uploading
[20:17] <jdong> Riddell: thanks very much :)
[20:17] <Riddell> nixternal: akademy-es story if you want
[20:17] <Riddell> nixternal: can you commit images to svn?
[20:28] <lnxkde> hi again stdin
[20:28] <lnxkde> :D
[20:28] <lnxkde> sorry to bother you, but I re installed rc1 and still I get the old panel and plasma
[20:28] <lnxkde> :/
[20:28] <lnxkde> how can I clean completely my system from kde4 configs and etc...
[20:29] <stdin> remove all the kde4 packages and the ~/.kde4 dir
[20:29] <stdin> that should clean it all
[20:29] <lnxkde> stdin: correct me if I am right
[20:30] <lnxkde> the new pabnel is black?
[20:30] <stdin> hold on, I'll fire up xephyr
[20:31] <nixternal> Riddell: depends on the location in svn
[20:31] <nixternal> I can commit to the www stuff I don't think
[20:31] <nixternal> s/can/can't
[20:32] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: did kdenetwork compile?
[20:32] <stdin> CPrgmSwR2: missing dependency on libvncserver-dev
[20:34] <Riddell> nixternal: it's in trunk/dot.kde.org you should be able to commit
[20:34] <CPrgmSwR2> dpkg: error processing kdm-kde4 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[20:34] <CPrgmSwR2> how do I resolve that issue
[20:35] <nixternal> Riddell: roger
[20:36] <stdin> lnxkde: mine looks like this http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1302/kde4rc1am9.png
[20:37] <nixternal> Riddell: so I should take the attached images from the dot article and add them to trunk/dot.kde.org then?
[20:37] <Riddell> nixternal: yes (make yourself a directory in there)
[20:37] <nixternal> ok
[20:38] <lnxkde> stdin: http://vizzzion.org/?blogentry=742
[20:38] <nixternal> ie. d.k.o/static
[20:39] <lnxkde> stdin: it suppose to look like that and it suppose to have an option to change the wallpaper...
[20:39] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: okay back
[20:39] <CPrgmSwR2> kdm-kde4 will not install
[20:41] <lnxkde> CPrgmSwR2: nope it wont
[20:44] <Riddell> nixternal: then you need to sync it to the static.kdenews.org server
[20:45] <nixternal> holy smokes...learning something new again! :)
[20:46] <CPrgmSwR2> CRAP!!! ATI needs to die!
[20:47] <stdin> lnxkde: did you see the "Please note that this is very recent, and not all of it is part of the just-released KDE 4.0 RC1" ?
[20:47] <lnxkde> hehe
[20:47] <lnxkde> nope
[20:47] <lnxkde> :/
[20:47] <lnxkde> that sucks then :(
[20:47] <stdin> on the 1st line too :p
[20:48] <mhb> Riddell: have you tried to poke the sysadmins to get us a Drupal installation lately?
[20:48] <mhb> we'd appreciate it if you tried
[20:48] <mhb> I have *never* seen them actually finish the task I've asked for
[20:48]  * lnxkde goes and see if he can build kde4 from svn
[20:49] <stdin> lnxkde: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4
[20:49] <lnxkde> stdin: thankx
[20:53] <CPrgmSwR2> Can someone make a flavor of ubuntu for kde4
[20:53] <CPrgmSwR2> like kubuntu4
[20:53] <mhb> CPrgmSwR2: we're planning to have a KDE4 Live CD
[20:54] <mhb> CPrgmSwR2: planning means we don't have anybody working on it yet, it's a shame, I know
[20:54] <CPrgmSwR2> I don't want a live CD
[20:54] <CPrgmSwR2> I want to install kde4 for daily use
[20:55] <CPrgmSwR2> My next PC is going to have an NVidia card, unless AMD/ATI makes a significant improvement in their drivers
[20:55] <mhb> CPrgmSwR2: heh :o) 0.0 is not 5.8
[20:56] <nixternal> Riddell: would you mind teachine me really quick how to sync to static.kdenews.org?
[20:58]  * Riddell /msges
[21:35] <nixternal> Riddell: one more...how do I know that is has completed the sync?
[21:41] <Riddell> nixternal: well, it says so
[21:41] <Riddell> it lists the files on that web page
[21:41] <Riddell> also you can look at the URL, static.kdenews.org/nn/foo.png
[21:43] <nixternal> ahh, OK..it didn't list any files on that webpage when I did it
[21:43] <nixternal> ahhh
[21:43] <nixternal> the svn lag
[21:43] <nixternal> svn: Connection closed unexpectedly
[21:44] <Riddell> keep reloading periodically
[21:46] <nixternal> hehe, that is what I am doin' now
[21:47] <nixternal> Riddell: all I have to do is put those images in my subdir in svn right? this time it popped up "At revision 739786" and my commit was 739771
[21:57] <stdin> Riddell: in kdetoys-kde4:
[21:57] <stdin> dh_install -peyesapplet-kde4  --sourcedir=debian/tmp
[21:57] <stdin> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/eyes_panelapplet.so': No such file or directory
[22:00] <Riddell> htm
[22:00] <Riddell> hrm
[22:01] <Riddell> curious, not sure what's missing there
[22:01] <Riddell> but panel applets are a bit weird since kicker doesn't exist any more
[22:01] <Riddell> just leave it for now I think