[08:34] <Hobbsee> @schedule sydney
[08:34] <ubotu> Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 23 Nov 01:00: Desktop Team Development | 23 Nov 23:00: MOTU meeting | 30 Nov 01:00: Desktop Team Development
[08:47] <lifeless> hahahhaha. NO.
[08:48] <MacSlow> hi lifeless
[08:48] <lifeless> hi MacSlow
[08:57] <Hobbsee> lifeless: ?
[08:57] <lifeless> 0100 meetings. unlikely ;)
[08:57] <Hobbsee> they're not so bad.
[08:59] <lifeless> yes, when you're waking at 0600 :)
[10:26] <Hobbsee> lifeless: well, that goes without saying.
[12:34] <RichEd> ogra you here ?
[12:35] <ogra> sure
[12:36] <RichEd> we'll keep it short today guys ... ogra and I have specs to finalise
[12:36] <RichEd> ogra: tech
[12:36] <ogra> well, main achievent of the last week was to get the educonlinux,eu server up and running
[12:37] <ogra> beyond that and some classmate stuff not much has happened in edubuntu land ...
[12:37] <ogra> the LTSP upstream handover is going on, i wrote some scripts to make that code change easier but i'm waiting for sbalneav to merge and roll out a tarball
[12:38] <ogra> thats about it from tech
[12:38] <ogra> next deadline is debian import freeze on dec 13th ...
[12:38] <ogra> there are a bunch of manual merges to be done, but no biggies
[12:38] <RichEd> ogra: other people committed to specs or work for 8.04 ?
[12:38] <ogra> http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[12:39] <ogra> moquist is doing work on edubuntu-content-server as before ....
[12:39] <RichEd> Can we hear from them if they are here: #1 are the specs written (for deadline tomorrow) ... #2 can they manage the workload
[12:40] <RichEd> moquist - content-server
[12:40] <ogra> and stgraber does italc ... (which will need a MIR etc and its not clear yet the tech board wants to let such new stuff into 8.04)
[12:40] <ogra> i'll check through the specs
[12:40] <RichEd> LaserJock - menus completion
[12:40] <stgraber> I have done some work on iTalc, I'll revert my sudo patches and add two scripts I did to generate the .xml config file
[12:40] <RichEd> and sbalneav - LTSP
[12:40] <ogra> currently only italc, content-server, menus-completion and addon-cd are on my list
[12:41] <ogra> LTSP specs are all owned by ltsp-drivers ... not ubuntu
[12:41] <stgraber> but the original packaging looks good, only problem I see is that they introduced a separated lib and I'm not sure if I should create one more binary package for that
[12:41] <ogra> so nothing to approve there
[12:41] <ogra> stgraber, depends hos close you want to stick to debian policy
[12:41] <ogra> *how
[12:41] <stgraber> so we would have italc-master italc-client and libitalc with libitalc containing a single file used by the two others
[12:42] <ogra> by policy you would have to ...
[12:42] <stgraber> well, italc-master can't be installed without italc-client, so I don't really see the point of creating another binary package
[12:42] <RichEd> stgraber: could you do us a big favour ? could you do a short outline of:
[12:42] <ogra> but i know there are KDE packages that ship their own libs in the package as well
[12:42] <RichEd> * where italc is now
[12:42] <RichEd> * what you would like to do for 8.04
[12:42] <ogra> stgraber, i dont think it's *needed*
[12:43] <RichEd> * risk on each point (in terms of delivery)
[12:43] <ogra> (it was accepted for debian as is :) )
[12:43] <RichEd> * issues
[12:43] <stgraber> ok, well current version is 1.0.3 but the one working (lot of changes + fix for VNC) is 1.0.4 and should be released "soon"
[12:44] <ogra> do you have any info if that will be in time before feature freeze
[12:44] <stgraber> we would like to have italc well integrated which means having menu entry (not done yet), creation of keys at install time (done), detection of LTSP clients (done) and an easier UI
[12:44] <ogra> well, adding a .desktop file is a no brainer :)
[12:44] <stgraber> I have no idea, it's in the "stable" svn branch but I didn't see any change for a very long time
[12:45] <stgraber> ogra: yes, but to run italc you need to have ica running so I'll need to make sure ica is launched at session open time
[12:45] <ogra> hmm, we should probably ask upstream if they have any real ETA
[12:45] <ogra> well, add a script that checks for ica :)
[12:46] <ogra> (worst case)
[12:46] <stgraber> I currently have done two scripts, one running ica on different ports for each thin clients (and default port for server), another to generate the .xml file from the running ica and then start italc
[12:46] <stgraber> so italc and ica will have launcher scripts to work with LTSP
[12:46] <ogra> cool
[12:47] <ogra> you really rock :)
[12:47] <RichEd> stgraber: would you be able to add that info to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuAndItalcHardy
[12:48] <stgraber> from my point of view 1.0.4 is really stable (haven't tested it on Windows though) so talking with upstream about our deadlines may give us a new official italc release
[12:48]  * ogra hopes so
[12:49] <stgraber> I can email him or ogra (he's german)
[12:49] <ogra> can you  ? and CC me ?
[12:49] <stgraber> ok
[12:51] <stgraber> the current debian/ dir is on bzr, I'll also push the instruction about the SVN branch I'm using
[12:52] <ogra> you could let LP mirror it into bzr ;)
[12:53] <ogra> even though that wouldnt buy us anything for upstream commits i guess
[12:55] <ogra> so thats it for tech i guess
[12:55] <ogra> RichEd, ?
[12:55] <RichEd> yep ... looks like it
[12:55] <ogra> management/community ?
[12:56] <RichEd> not much else for today from my side ... deadline pressing more urgently
[12:56] <RichEd> no pips1 for web sites
[12:56] <pygi> there should be more community involvement :)
[12:56] <RichEd> anyone else with issues / questions ?
[12:57] <RichEd> like the point pygi raised ...
[12:57] <RichEd> pygi: "more community involvement :)" in the meeting, in the production of edubuntu, or in general
[12:57] <RichEd> please expand and give ideas on how to address ?
[12:58] <pygi> well, in everything ... edubuntu doesn't really have a lot of people around it, and those who used to hang around here left even since they felt somehow discouraged
[12:59] <RichEd> pygi: any idea how we address that ? #1 what was discouraging #2 new recruiting ?
[13:00] <ogra> pygi, edubuntu has tons of people around it ... its lacking devlopers
[13:00] <ogra> the prob here is that our users are busy teachers ;)
[13:00] <pygi> ogra: how come we dont get to see any of those people raising voices in discussions, creating new ideas, writing docs?
[13:01] <ogra> they do, on the mailing lists
[13:01] <ogra> most users we have are not IRC people
[13:01] <pygi> well, I dont think I get a lot of m-l traffic from edubuntu
[13:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> theres a certain amount of RL involved for some people too :(
[13:01] <pygi> Kamping_Kaiser: ofcourse, that's true as well
[13:01] <RichEd> pygi: what we need is a champion to get some community buzz going
[13:02] <ogra> pygi, feel free to make some more noise on the ML ;)
[13:02] <pygi> RichEd: heh, doesn't Canonical have Jono? Is he all about Ubuntu? Cause it surely seems so
[13:02] <RichEd> pips1 can do work on the facilities, but we need someone to think of exciting things to build interest
[13:02] <RichEd> pygi: he will support what we do, but he cannot lead ...
[13:02] <pygi> heh
[13:03] <RichEd> the sort of thing laserjock and i have discussed is a weekly or monthly poll on the mail lists
[13:03] <RichEd> something that every person can respond to ... not just problem issues
[13:03] <pygi> well, all I can say is that people I've spoken to feel pretty discouraged ... and they are not some unknown folks :)
[13:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds like the 'dead man' switch on trains - you have to keep hitting it to show your alive *heh*
[13:03] <RichEd> especially on ubuntu-education .. where we can ask questions about teachers real lives
[13:04] <pygi> ogra: I know devs for edubuntu was always a problem .... but I thought canonical would hire you some helpers
[13:04] <pygi> that was supposed to happen ages ago
[13:04] <RichEd> the problem is that we do not have anyone who has a clear headspace to get that started
[13:05] <ogra> pygi, instead i moved into the distro team and am able to share out the load now ... many of the probs we face are not 100% education related ...
[13:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, i'm inclined to agree
[13:05] <ogra> so they will be handled by people that are on the topic anyway
[13:05] <pygi> ogra: true, but are ldap-related, new apps development related, better collaboration with upstream, and such
[13:06] <ogra> i personally will be the responsible edu contact and only care for edu apps and the building of the edubuntu addon CD to the ubuntu base
[13:06] <RichEd> we get people in the channel who pop in and offer to help in some way (once they are impressed by how our s/w is making their life easier and say they want to give back)
[13:06] <ogra> *all other stuff* like ldap etc doesnt belong into edu at all
[13:06] <ogra> its a job for the server team to solve that
[13:07] <RichEd> the problem is that it takes a clear head and time to bring them into the right palce to become productive
[13:07] <ogra> pygi, upstream only as far as its edu apps
[13:07] <ogra> if thats not the case that person already working with upstream will have to take on
[13:07] <pygi> RichEd: been there, done that. Everybody offers to help, but there's nobody to mentor them and make them work
[13:07] <pygi> I can take my experience with the Handbook as an example
[13:07]  * pygi must apologize for crashing in the meeting like this, but ...
[13:08] <RichEd> so i think we need a "community ambasssador - 1st point of contact for volunteers"
[13:08] <RichEd> pygi: it is an issue we are grappling with ... needs attention
[13:08] <pygi> RichEd: perhaps, but it's taking ages
[13:08] <RichEd> highvoltage: has said that he is getting more time that he could apply back into edubuntu ... he might be the ideal ambassador
[13:09] <RichEd> he is knowledgeable, and patient
[13:09] <RichEd> cbx33 also says he can mentor a bit, but does not want to live in the channel again for a while
[13:09] <highvoltage> howdy
[13:09] <highvoltage> ooh, meeting
[13:09] <RichEd> highvoltage: hi
[13:09] <highvoltage> hi RichEd
[13:09] <ogra> RichEd, i'm a bit cautious about cbx33
[13:10] <RichEd> highvoltage: <RichEd> so i think we need a "community ambasssador - 1st point of contact for volunteers"
[13:10] <RichEd> highvoltage:
 highvoltage: has said that he is getting more time that he could apply back into edubuntu ... he might be the ideal ambassador
 he is knowledgeable, and patient
[13:10] <ogra> after the experience with TCM
[13:10] <ogra> (he just dropped it on the floor silently)
[13:10] <RichEd> highvoltage: would you be willing to help in that sort of a way ?
[13:10] <highvoltage> RichEd: what would that entail?
[13:11] <highvoltage> RichEd: I'm on leave from the 10th, from then I'll have lotsof time for pretty much anything I need to do
[13:11] <highvoltage> next year should also be quite smooth compared to the rocky 2007 year
[13:11] <ogra> highvoltage, a lot of extra time and a promise to give us your firstborn :=)
[13:11] <highvoltage> ogra: that all!? :)
[13:11] <ogra> yeah, only that :)
[13:12] <RichEd> highvoltage: being called the education community ambassador (nominal name to give confidence to volunteers)
[13:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> highvoltage, labour shortage, only taking one child atm ;)
[13:12] <RichEd> being 1st point of contact fora volunteer
[13:12]  * Kamping_Kaiser wonders what happens if the first born was twins
[13:12] <RichEd> advising them on how to help ....
[13:12] <RichEd> advising us on what we need
[13:12] <RichEd> ---
[13:12] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, we'll take the first onf them still :)
[13:12] <RichEd> highvoltage: no actual work, just hand holding ?
[13:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, :)
[13:13] <highvoltage> RichEd: I'm up for it, but I must admit I'm not an education expert. I know a lot of people I can fall back on if I get stuck though.
[13:13] <highvoltage> RichEd: but hand-holding, sure, I'm quite good at that, I think :)
[13:13] <RichEd> highvoltage: have you heard a term used in advertising : traffic
[13:13] <ogra> you dont need to b edu expert ... we want a motivation expert ;)
[13:13] <RichEd> the dude who stands in the road pointing to where people need to go
[13:13] <highvoltage> RichEd: and I practically live on IRC/lists, if people mention my name or hilight me, I'll be here, if I'm awake or not driving.
[13:13] <highvoltage> give me an "E"!
[13:13] <highvoltage> ok
[13:13] <ogra> E
[13:14] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok, good
[13:14] <RichEd> highvoltage: once the ball is rolling it will drop away and can get more widespread
[13:14] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok, baby steps, I like that.
[13:14] <RichEd> in a nutshell the problem is someone saying: "how can I help" and a lack of time or attention from RichEd and /or ogra means we do not get to harness them
[13:15] <highvoltage> ah yes.
[13:15] <pygi> it also means harrasing people to actually do some work =)
[13:16]  * RichEd gives highvoltage the riding crop
[13:17] <RichEd> highvoltage: okay ... we can take this offline and make some sort of a suggestion plan ... and I'll share it next week with the rest of the people at the meeting
[13:17] <highvoltage> pygi: I know how to harass people (mhuhahahahaha)
[13:17] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok, that sounds good
[13:17] <RichEd> step 1 i would think is a nice friendly email we can have on record, and bang out to anyone looking like they are interested in putting in some effort
[13:17] <ogra> just dont forget about te new structure we have
[13:17] <pygi> highvoltage: I know you can :p
[13:18] <highvoltage> ogra: I might have to catch up to the new structure
[13:18] <ogra> people working on server apps should be directed to the server team, desktop to the desktop team etc
[13:18] <RichEd> part of this is also a revision of the launchpad groups ... cull the sick and weary ... and get the live ones back to health
[13:18] <highvoltage> ogra: interesting.
[13:18] <ogra> highvoltage, edubuntu technical is focused on the edubuntu addon CD ...
[13:18] <ogra> all other stuff has to go int distro
[13:18] <highvoltage> ogra: the Ubuntu CD?
[13:19] <RichEd> ogra / highvoltage : but any volunteer who comes in via us must first be given the education badge and oath of allegiance
[13:19] <ogra> (ideed on behalf of us, if some edubuntu user comes and wants to work on server stuff he has to do that inside teh server team but we need to make sure he doesnt loose contact to edubuntu)
[13:19] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok
[13:19] <RichEd> so they can help the server team, but will do so from an education user / admin / support perspective
[13:20] <ogra> highvoltage, right, our base will be one of the ubuntu CDs ... either server or desktop
[13:20] <RichEd> highvoltage: we can do this with launchpad group membership
[13:20] <ogra> edubuntu will turn into a plain educational addon
[13:20] <ogra> so all stuff thats not on that addon CD has to be handed elsewhere
[13:20] <highvoltage> ogra: that makes sense from a practical p.o.v., even though we loose some slight turn-key-bility
[13:21] <ogra> yeah
[13:21] <ogra> well, its the only way to put off load if you dont want to hire more and more people
[13:21] <RichEd> highvoltage: we were pretty much crossing over the 1CD limit
[13:21] <highvoltage> if someone orders an edubuntu and an ubuntu cd, at least they won't have two cd's with 95% identical data anymore
[13:21] <highvoltage> gives the team more space to focus on education, rather than technical aspects
[13:22] <ogra> well, actually the plan was that you can order a two CD set if you order edubuntu ...
[13:22] <ogra> but thats not 100% approved yet
[13:22] <highvoltage> aah
[13:22] <ogra> like we did for warty
[13:22] <ogra> on one side of the sleeve you have ubuntu, on the other you have the addon
[13:23] <RichEd> highvoltage: and we will try to push for a link on the ubuntu firefox home page saying "if you want to convert your ubuntu installation to edubuntu click here"
[13:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> that would be cool.
[13:23] <RichEd> and then give advice on download or ordering the edubuntu CD
[13:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> can i ask what the status is of the 'edubuntu-not-just-for-primary' concept? (disclaimer, havent tried last two releases)
[13:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> *lower primary
[13:24] <ogra> it was on low prio ... my personal focus was to get us mass deployment ready
[13:24] <ogra> a duty that now moved into the server team realm, so i should have more time for that n 8.10
[13:24] <RichEd> Kamping_Kaiser: there are lots of good apps already in main ... laserjocks menu enhancements were going to help with getting that impression and functionality across
[13:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, nice. i'll look forward to trying it all our in a month or two
[13:25] <ogra> not actually the menu enhancements
[13:25] <ogra> rather the addon cd work
[13:25] <RichEd> also, I have a major priority task to provide a list (wiki, www.ubuntu.com and pdf) on all the education applications in main with an indicator for:
[13:26] <ogra> we have the prereuisite on the addon to just have different age driven flavors
[13:26] <RichEd> * subject * age * grade * version * from CD * from add/remvoe
[13:26] <ogra> *prerequisite
[13:27] <ogra> (our current addon has categorization features already, just lacking the categories)
[13:27] <ogra> i.e. we have the light desktop that installs a subset of xfce
[13:27] <RichEd> highvoltage: can we make a time to chat about the ambassador idea ? an hour on the weekend could work for me to get started
[13:27] <ogra> you can do that age driven as well
[13:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> sounds interesting
[13:32] <highvoltage> RichEd: yep, any  time over the weekend would be good
[13:32] <highvoltage> RichEd: otherwise this evening would be goof too, are you back home?
[13:33] <RichEd> yep ... can try ... might be a bit busy with specs ... i'll ping you after 6:00
[13:33] <highvoltage> ok
[13:34] <RichEd> any other matters arising ?
[13:34] <RichEd> some news I will leave you with: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/newss/6438/1/
[13:35] <RichEd> "According to the Macedonia Ministry of Education and Science, more than 180,000 workstations running Edubuntu 7.04 have already begun to be deployed to Macedonian students."
[13:35] <pygi> we know, we know :D
[13:35] <RichEd> pygi: official release went out yesterday
[13:35] <RichEd> ogra: you done ?
[13:35] <ogra> i'm done so far
[13:36] <pygi> RichEd: unofficial ages ago :D
[13:36] <RichEd> going once ?
[13:36] <pygi> twice
[13:36] <ogra> adjourned ?
[13:36] <RichEd> and gong
[13:36] <RichEd> thanks all
[13:36] <ogra> :)
[13:36] <pygi> sold to the folk in red
[13:36] <ogra> tanks
[13:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> um. meeting over?
[13:42] <pygi> Kamping_Kaiser: aha
[13:42]  * Kamping_Kaiser assumes so
[13:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. see you all in edu ;)
[15:58]  * pedro_ waves
[15:59] <sourcercito> hi there
[15:59]  * heno waves
[15:59] <pedro_> hey sourcercito
[15:59] <pedro_> hello heno
[15:59]  * ogasawara is here
[15:59] <cjwatson> oh, have I clashed with a QA meeting?
[15:59] <cjwatson> drat
[15:59] <heno> hey pedro_, ogasawara
[16:00] <liw> hi
[16:00] <pedro_> hello ogasawara, liw
[16:00] <calc> there is nothing scheduled on fridge for today afaict
[16:00] <heno> cjwatson: what meeting do you need to conduct?
[16:00] <ogra> someone should really fix the fridge
[16:00] <evand> hi
[16:00] <nand`> hi
[16:00] <heno> we can go to the qa channel
[16:00] <cjwatson> heno: platform team. I'll take it to #ubuntu-platform
[16:00] <heno> ok, thanks
[16:01] <heno> yeah the fridge has a very short memory
[16:01] <seb128> hey
[16:01] <ogra> seb128, -> #ubuntu-platform
[16:02] <heno> let's give everyone a moment to change rooms :)
[16:03] <seb128> ogra: how come?
[16:03] <ogra> schedule clash
[16:04] <seb128> we have a well defined schedule, the other team should change ;-)
[16:04] <ogra> heh
[16:04] <cjwatson> we're moving now
[16:04] <ogra> well, neither is on the fridge
[16:05] <cjwatson> both are on Google calendar; we knew they were at the same time, just not that they were in the same channel
[16:05] <cjwatson> bryce: #ubuntu-platform please
[16:05] <ogra> ubotu should get a googlecal backend then :)
[16:05]  * heno suspect the google calender fails to say that the QA meeting is here
[16:06] <cjwatson> I didn't think to check, as we haven't clashed before
[16:06] <heno> cjwatson: is this a new regular time for you?
[16:06] <cjwatson> same as always, but we alternate between irc.c.c and irc.f.n
[16:07] <heno> hm, did you adjust to daylights savings time?
[16:07] <heno> (we did not)
[16:07] <heno> (relative to UTC)
[16:08] <cjwatson> ah, we adjusted yes
[16:08] <heno> ok. perhaps we should consider alternating between c.c and freenode as well
[16:09] <heno> that way we could fit in a people with different time constraints better too
[16:10] <heno> #startmeeting
[16:10] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:10. The chair is heno.
[16:10] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:10] <heno> Welcome to the QA team meeting
[16:10] <heno> The agenda is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam
[16:10] <heno> (very short)
[16:11] <heno> If you've come for the  platform meeting see #ubuntu-platform/freenode
[16:12] <heno> [TOPIC] Spec status - all Hardy specs to be finalised by 2007-11-21 (tomorrow)
[16:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Spec status - all Hardy specs to be finalised by 2007-11-21 (tomorrow)
[16:12] <liw> 2007-11-21 was tomorrow yesterday, i.e., it is today
[16:13] <heno> liw: you're right, my typo
[16:13] <heno> should be Thursd 22nd
[16:13] <ogasawara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/DeveloperWeatherReport
[16:13] <ogasawara> let me know if you guys have any more feedback
[16:14] <heno> fixed in wiki
[16:14] <heno> ogasawara: looks good to me, and steve seems happy with it too
[16:14] <heno> So I'll go ahead and approve
[16:14] <ogasawara> heno: great, thanks
[16:15] <heno> I havent followed up as well as I should on spec writing the past few days, sorry, been a bit ill
[16:15] <heno> My form seems to be returning now though, fortunately
[16:16] <liw> my two specs are https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/DesktopAutomatedTests and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/SelfTestingDesktop -- is there anything more I should do about them?
[16:18] <heno> liw: they both need review still. Please ask someone on the review team to look at SelfTestingDesktop
[16:18] <heno> The other one has been discussed already I think?
[16:18] <liw> oh, I thought it was enough to mark them for review in launchpad (should read instructions better)
[16:19] <heno> I can approve these without a formal review first, but it's always better to get a third oppinion
[16:19] <heno> liw: you actually have to ping a review team member
[16:19] <liw> right, looking up info on that now
[16:20] <heno> pedro_: FixedBugVerification looks ready, thanks
[16:21] <pedro_> heno: yep , thanks for your feedback on it
[16:21] <pedro_> will ask a member of the review team to see it
[16:21] <heno> looks like Brian's specs still need to have Bof notes merged into the spec
[16:21] <heno> could someone here help with that
[16:21] <heno> I guess most of you were in these meetings
[16:22] <pedro_> let me check if i have the gobby logs
[16:22] <heno> I can do the final cleanup and review afterwards
[16:22] <heno> pedro_: thanks
[16:22] <ogasawara> pedro_: I'll check to see which logs I have too
[16:22] <pedro_> great
[16:23] <heno> short meeting then. any other topics?
[16:24] <stgraber> hello
[16:24] <liw> I can't find the info on whom to e-mail about reviewing my spec(s)
[16:25] <stgraber> I haven't managed to reach the bus on time so I'm still at the station :)
[16:25] <heno> liw: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-reviewers
[16:26] <heno> stgraber: with a laptop I assume
[16:26] <liw> heno, so I should just pick a random member of the review team and e-mail them?
[16:26] <heno> stgraber: perhaps we can meet up on IRC later and chat about specs?
[16:27] <heno> (I'm a bit behind in my review)
[16:27] <stgraber> heno: sure, I need some advice :)
[16:27] <stgraber> I have the wifi connection till 17:50, then will be back at around 18:30 :)
[16:27] <heno> liw: yes, preferably someone who knows the topic a bit. steve would be good
[16:28] <liw> heno, er, steve? I see no steve in the membership list
[16:28] <liw> wait, I *have* seen this page before, I now realize I wondered before whether Ian Jackson is still an active member
[16:29] <heno> hm, he has been doing other reviews
[16:29] <heno> looks a bit out of date ...
[16:29] <liw> steve langasek?
[16:29] <heno> yes
[16:29] <ogasawara> pedro_: I can't seem to find any useful gobby notes for brian's specs
[16:30] <heno> there are some notes pasted at the bottom of each though
[16:30] <pedro_> ogasawara: it seems that i have the same ones listed at his specs on the wiki page
[16:31] <heno> I think we're done
[16:31] <liw> aye
[16:31] <heno> Thanks all!
[16:32] <heno> #endmeeting
[16:32] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:32.
[16:32] <liw> may all our meetings be so short :)
[16:32] <ogasawara> thanks heno, hope you start feeling better :)
[16:32] <heno> :)
[16:32] <heno> ogasawara: thanks, looks that way
[16:33] <pedro_> thanks!, heno get better soon :-)
[16:33]  * pedro_ hugs heno
[16:33]  * heno hugs pedro_ back
[16:45] <stgraber> argh, crappy wireless, have to take the bus now ...