| ajmitch | hm, or not, I don't see the user admin functions there | 00:00 |
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| fujin_ | Hello. | 02:46 |
| fujin_ | Any pam_ldap/nss_ldap guru's around? | 02:46 |
| kgoetz | surely i dont have to !ask you of all people? :) | 02:47 |
| fujin_ | I need to work out how to make the aforementioned NOT lookup information for root, cups, postfix etc. | 02:48 |
| kgoetz | insert lines to check against sytem passwd first, then against ldap | 02:49 |
| fujin_ | I don't want to check against system passwd first. | 02:49 |
| kgoetz | *shrug* | 02:49 |
| kgoetz | at your option | 02:50 |
| osmosis | well... installed phpmyadmin but im not getting it at http://localhost/phpmyadmin . I checked and /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf exists. Not sure what to do. | 07:30 |
| _ruben | jetole: not "another router", "any router" .. with router in the broadest sense of the word .. mrtg can monitor localhost and random *nix/win machines just fine (as long as it has a snmp server running) | 07:40 |
| joerlend | how do one install web applications from the repositories? I mean, I install the packages, but that isn't enough. Is there a unified way? | 11:20 |
| soren | joerlend: Which one in particular are you trying to install? (Explaining by example is helpful here, you see) | 12:53 |
| joerlend | well, just now, it's kolab-webadmin, but I was trying to understand the general process. | 12:54 |
| joerlend | I've stayed away from the web application packages in the repos because I haven't seen any use for them. It doesn't seem to be explained anywhere. | 12:55 |
| soren | joerlend: kolab-webadmin conveniently lands at http://yourhostname/admin/ | 12:56 |
| joerlend | no, it doesn't. | 12:56 |
| soren | elaborate, please. | 12:56 |
| joerlend | it lands at /usr/share/kolab-webadmin | 12:56 |
| soren | That's a filesystem path. | 12:56 |
| joerlend | yes, and apache doesn't know anything about it. | 12:57 |
| soren | Which is not a very convenient way to address web pages. | 12:57 |
| soren | joerlend: Have you tried http://whatever/admin/ | 12:57 |
| soren | ? | 12:57 |
| joerlend | yes, of course. | 12:57 |
| joerlend | I haven't seen any webapp where that works. | 12:57 |
| soren | "that"? | 12:58 |
| joerlend | yes, that which you just described. | 12:58 |
| soren | I have given one specific example of how to access kolab-webadmin. | 12:58 |
| soren | I'd like for you to explain how you have attempted to apply the same approach to other webapps. | 12:58 |
| soren | (It may not look like it, but I am actually trying to be helpful here) | 12:59 |
| joerlend | ok, then you're saying that if I sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin, then afterwards, assuming I've already installed LAMP of course, it should be automatically available in http://localhost/phpmyadmin? | 12:59 |
| soren | http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ yes | 12:59 |
| joerlend | heh, that actually seems to work now. | 13:01 |
| joerlend | it provided a configuration script. | 13:01 |
| soren | As should any other webapp. | 13:01 |
| joerlend | but they don't. | 13:01 |
| joerlend | kolab-webadmin, for instance, had a README in /usr/share/doc/kolab-webadmin or something, that told me to create one symlink here, and one there, and so forth. Still didn't work though. | 13:02 |
| soren | joerlend: It (sort of) works for me. | 13:03 |
| joerlend | it's necessary to edit php-files in order to make it run at all. | 13:04 |
| soren | joerlend: The requests land in the webapp, but as I've not set up kolab itself, it just fails spectacularly. | 13:04 |
| joerlend | there is no dialogs for configuring the webserver. | 13:05 |
| joerlend | there is no "admin" available from apache at all. | 13:05 |
| soren | joerlend: That's really a different issue. "Requires me to edit php files to know where the kolab server is" != "Does not provide a url scheme to access it" | 13:05 |
| joerlend | ? | 13:05 |
| joerlend | I'm saying that it's easier to download and install manually than it is to install from repositories. | 13:06 |
| soren | I've never installed kolab-webadmin manually. How is it easier? | 13:06 |
| joerlend | extract the zip and put it in the webroot, configure the files, and you're done. | 13:07 |
| soren | And with the ubuntu packages, instead of extracting zip into webroot, you need to apt-get install kolab-webadmin and create a symlink. | 13:08 |
| soren | Doesn't sound much more difficult to me. | 13:08 |
| soren | ..am I missing something? | 13:08 |
| joerlend | the process is just the same, except that using packages, I had to find out where the packages was located first, then copy that folder to the webroot, and then do what I'd usually do in the first place. | 13:09 |
| joerlend | well, the repositories saved me the trouble of actually downloading the tarball, but in return I got an older version. | 13:09 |
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| soren | That's the way distributions work. | 13:10 |
| joerlend | ? | 13:10 |
| soren | They grab source, package it and make it available. | 13:10 |
| soren | They're (we're) perpetually playing catch-up with the upstream. | 13:11 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | webapps arnt always easiest to setup :( | 13:11 |
| joerlend | so there isn't any reason to use debs for webapps then? | 13:11 |
| soren | joerlend: In return, someone has tested it for you, provides upgrade paths, and makes sure it doesn't kill your cat. | 13:11 |
| soren | joerlend: Did I say that? | 13:11 |
| joerlend | oh, ok. It does have some advantages anyway then. | 13:12 |
| soren | joerlend: If your life depends on having the absolute latest release of any given piece of software at *all* times, there's no distribution out there for you, I'm afraid. | 13:12 |
| joerlend | I'm not talking about that. | 13:12 |
| soren | joerlend: "< ~joerlend> so there isn't any reason to use debs for webapps then?" <--- Then what did that mean? | 13:13 |
| joerlend | I just didn't see any reason why I should use the repositories when they actually complicated things. | 13:13 |
| soren | joerlend: ...and I don't see how they complicate things. | 13:13 |
| soren | joerlend: You are clearly used to installing the kolab webadmin thing from source. Anything we'll do, will be different from that and as such might cause surprises for you. | 13:14 |
| joerlend | well, when I download and extract a tarball, I know where it's located. I'll just move it into the right place and set permissions, and I'm done. | 13:14 |
| joerlend | I'm not talking about kolab-webadmin. | 13:14 |
| soren | joerlend: When I install a webapp in Ubuntu, I really shouldn't need to know where it's located. | 13:15 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | it would be nice if the packaged webapps wound up in tehir own vhosts by default (but i suppose that requires relevent dns changes ;(... handt though of that) | 13:15 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | or at least a standard of linking into apaches conf.d with a file that alias /myname to /mypath | 13:15 |
| joerlend | I'm just saying that I wish the debs would make the webapp available to the webserver, and not just extract the tarball to some directory somewhere where apache can't get to it. | 13:15 |
| soren | joerlend: I know that the packager has put any configuration files into /etc and that there's probably a configuration snippet provided that is either already shoved into apache or can be very easily shoved into apache. | 13:15 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | joerlend, you want the packageing system to be an centralised wget for webapps? | 13:16 |
| avatar_ | roundcube-webmail from packages does provide /etc/apache2/conf.d/roundcube-webmail | 13:16 |
| avatar_ | so does cacti | 13:16 |
| joerlend | no, I just want it to install the application and not just download it. | 13:17 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | incl. config? | 13:17 |
| soren | joerlend: The fact that it doesn't put things directly into /var/www is a feature. | 13:17 |
| joerlend | ok, then what's the difference between downloading the tarball and extracting it and installing the deb? | 13:18 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | soren, have to agree. | 13:18 |
| soren | joerlend: Upgrade path, qa, integration, and possibly configuration. | 13:18 |
| joerlend | integration? | 13:18 |
| soren | joerlend: Yes. | 13:18 |
| joerlend | ? | 13:18 |
| soren | joerlend: While an upstream webapp author only provides the webapp in question, Debian and Ubuntu provide a lot of other stuff. | 13:19 |
| soren | joerlend: If we think it's a good idea, we can make it a lot easier for said webapp to integrate with other software installed. | 13:20 |
| joerlend | well, if all the webapps worked the same way as phpmyadmin, I'd be happy. They don't,. | 13:20 |
| soren | joerlend: Also, we provide security updates automatically. | 13:20 |
| soren | joerlend: File bugs. Please. | 13:20 |
| joerlend | ok, so it _should_ present automatic configuration of apache? | 13:21 |
| soren | joerlend: Most webapps I've come across in the archive do something similar to what phpmyadmin does. | 13:21 |
| soren | joerlend: Of course. | 13:21 |
| soren | joerlend: If it makes sense. | 13:21 |
| joerlend | ok, then I understand. | 13:21 |
| soren | joerlend: ...and most do. | 13:21 |
| joerlend | none of the webapps I've tried so far has done that, until phpmyadmin now. | 13:21 |
| soren | joerlend: I don't have any statistics to back this up, only years and years of experience. | 13:21 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | squirrelmail is anoying. theres no way to reconfigure with dpkg. | 13:21 |
| soren | joerlend: Examples, please. | 13:22 |
| soren | Kamping_Kaiser: squirrelmail is annoying. full stop. | 13:22 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | soren, yeah. no argument | 13:22 |
| joerlend | soren, phpmyadmin didn't do it the last time I tried. Granted, it's been a while. | 13:23 |
| soren | joerlend: Like a decade or so? | 13:23 |
| joerlend | no, but probably a year. | 13:23 |
| soren | joerlend: It's been doing this for at least all of this millenium. | 13:24 |
| joerlend | couldn't have. | 13:24 |
| soren | You're not going to back that up? | 13:25 |
| soren | With some.. you know.. information? | 13:25 |
| joerlend | well, there was no ubuntu repositories.. | 13:26 |
| soren | Debian? | 13:26 |
| joerlend | yes. I don't know what they're doing. | 13:27 |
| joerlend | is there a right way of installing a web application= | 13:28 |
| joerlend | ? | 13:28 |
| soren | Our phpmyadmin package comes from Debian. | 13:28 |
| joerlend | I just installed the package zabbix-frontend-php. I didn't receive any information about it, except that the package has been installed. There is no symlink in /var/www. I'm guessing I have to use dpkg -L and locate the files, find out if there is a README or something and follow that guide to install it manually? Is that true, or not? | 13:32 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | does it have a file in /etc/apache/conf.d ? | 13:34 |
| zul | morning | 13:35 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | pschulz01, welcome in | 13:37 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | congrats | 13:37 |
| joerlend | Kamping_Kaiser, yes, but I'm trying to understand how this works... | 13:37 |
| soren | joerlend: there's not supposed to be a symlink in /var/Www | 13:37 |
| joerlend | oh and it seems I have to create a user for it manually. Shouldn't some script do that? | 13:37 |
| joerlend | soren, ok? | 13:37 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | joerlend, it should come 'preconfigured' to (eg localhost/<appname> | 13:38 |
| soren | joerlend: It sets up an alias in apache. | 13:38 |
| soren | joerlend: I sincerely hope that's what phpmyadmin does, too. | 13:39 |
| soren | It is. | 13:40 |
| joerlend | and all webapps in the repository should work this way? | 13:40 |
| soren | Yes. | 13:40 |
| soren | ...that's the way phpmyadmin has done it for as long as I can remember. | 13:41 |
| joerlend | perhaps I've misunderstood the procedure. | 13:42 |
| pschulz01 | Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks... lots of emails to send :-) | 13:43 |
| joerlend | I haven't been able to find any documentation on this subject anywhere. | 13:43 |
| soren | That's why I tried to point out the difference between file system paths and web paths. | 13:43 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | pschulz01, sorry, lots of people got told :) | 13:43 |
| soren | joerlend: There might not be any. Where would be an appropriate place to put such documentation? | 13:45 |
| joerlend | help.ubuntu.com? | 13:46 |
| soren | Front page? | 13:46 |
| soren | :) | 13:46 |
| joerlend | perhaps under the "Installing applications" section? | 13:46 |
| joerlend | https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/add-applications/C/index.html <-- that would be a good place for such documentation. | 13:47 |
| soren | There's supposed to be a server section somewhere. | 13:47 |
| soren | https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/ | 13:47 |
| sommer | hey all | 13:48 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hey | 13:48 |
| sommer | soren, joerlend: acutally wabapps are on the list to be added to the server Docs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerGuide | 13:49 |
| soren | Great. | 13:49 |
| soren | joerlend: Would you be willing to help out in writing that? | 13:49 |
| sommer | you can also find phpmyadmin steps here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/phpMyAdmin | 13:49 |
| joerlend | soren, yes, if I could understand it. | 13:50 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | night all | 13:50 |
| sommer | Kamping_Kaiser: later on | 13:50 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | pschulz01, congrats again. catch you online :) | 13:50 |
| soren | joerlend: You're clearly getting there.. :) | 13:50 |
| ivoks | i hate compiling kernel :/ | 13:50 |
| soren | ivoks: don't? | 13:51 |
| soren | There. Problem solved. | 13:51 |
| soren | Who's next? | 13:51 |
| joerlend | s:) | 13:51 |
| sommer | heh | 13:51 |
| ivoks | soren: bug 158288 | 13:51 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 158288 in redhat-cluster-suite "Node hangs at clvm when joining cluster" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158288 | 13:51 |
| ivoks | there, o have to :/ | 13:51 |
| ivoks | i | 13:51 |
| joerlend | soren, ok, the webapp is complaining about a php setting. Is it appropriate to edit /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, or should I do that somewhere else? | 13:52 |
| soren | Fabio's fixing it. Take the day off :) | 13:52 |
| soren | joerlend: Which setting? | 13:52 |
| soren | joerlend: With no further information, the answer is "somewhere else". | 13:53 |
| ivoks | soren: lol... it's not that simple... aparently, this comes up only in some circumstances... | 13:53 |
| soren | joerlend: The php.ini should provide sane, usable defaults. | 13:53 |
| ivoks | so, fabio created a patch, now i'm building a kernel for testing | 13:53 |
| soren | joerlend: If you've uncovered something that hints towards the defaults being insufficient, we'll consider tweaking them. | 13:54 |
| joerlend | soren, in general. | 13:54 |
| joerlend | is there a php.ini-file per webapp or something? | 13:54 |
| soren | joerlend: No. | 13:54 |
| soren | joerlend: Some settings can be tweaked from apache. | 13:54 |
| soren | Until, of course, we switch to php as a fastcgi application. | 13:54 |
| soren | :) | 13:55 |
| joerlend | ok. Zabbix complained about max execution time being less than 300 seconds. | 13:55 |
| ivoks | hehe | 13:55 |
| ivoks | speed is the problem? | 13:56 |
| ivoks | one word: eaccelerator | 13:56 |
| joerlend | no, installation is the problem. | 13:56 |
| joerlend | well, configuration. It won't let me proceed until php.ini is fixed. | 13:57 |
| ivoks | then fix it | 13:57 |
| joerlend | it also complains about timezone. It isn't set in php.ini. That's a bug, isn't it? | 13:57 |
| ivoks | no | 13:57 |
| joerlend | ok? | 13:57 |
| ivoks | php exports time zone of the system | 13:58 |
| ivoks | if your system is misconfigured, then, well... | 13:58 |
| joerlend | well, the webapp will not run until I've set it. | 13:59 |
| joerlend | what format do I use, and will that cause other webapps to malfunction? | 13:59 |
| soren | Any idea why zabbix might want max execution time to be > 300 seconds? | 14:00 |
| ivoks | broken by design? | 14:00 |
| soren | It's especially curious as it's something you can even tweak from within a php script. | 14:01 |
| joerlend | I have no idea. I just wanted to try it out, because I would really use a webbased system monitor. | 14:01 |
| ivoks | you've tried nagios? | 14:01 |
| joerlend | no. | 14:01 |
| _ruben | seems to be more along the lines of cacti i think | 14:02 |
| ivoks | nagios? | 14:02 |
| ivoks | nagios monitor server or/and services | 14:02 |
| ivoks | and can report failed service/server | 14:02 |
| _ruben | and cacti can show nice grapsh .. we use both | 14:03 |
| _ruben | graphs even | 14:03 |
| zul | we use hobbit nice and effective | 14:03 |
| ivoks | whatever you do, don't touch zenoss :) | 14:03 |
| ivoks | it does an evil thing to sudoers | 14:04 |
| soren | cricket is allegedly very nice for graphing stuff. I use nagios myself to monitor service availability and such. | 14:04 |
| _ruben | heh .. hobbit's a bigbrother 'clone' .. we used bb for years .. is rather limited though, though perhaps hobbit has filled in the gaps | 14:04 |
| joerlend | ivoks, then it should be available as http://localhost/nagios? | 14:04 |
| ivoks | joerlend: yes | 14:04 |
| joerlend | it isn't. | 14:04 |
| ivoks | you installed it, right? | 14:05 |
| ivoks | and it's running? | 14:05 |
| joerlend | I installed it.. | 14:06 |
| joerlend | :) | 14:06 |
| joerlend | well, there are alot of other packages. I only installed nagios2 | 14:07 |
| ivoks | install at least nagios-text | 14:08 |
| joerlend | ok.. If it's required, shouldn't the package depend on it? | 14:08 |
| ivoks | no | 14:10 |
| joerlend | ehrm. It asked me for a password, but not a username. I still have to provide one.. What is it? | 14:10 |
| ivoks | couse you can choose several backends | 14:10 |
| soren | joerlend: nagiosadmin | 14:10 |
| soren | ivoks: It could depend on nagios2-text | nagios2-pgsql | nagios2-mysql, though. | 14:11 |
| soren | ivoks: I don't remember why it doesn't. | 14:11 |
| spiekey | howdy! | 14:17 |
| soren | hello | 14:21 |
| spiekey | i have some routing problem here i think...maybe someone can help me out here. | 14:25 |
| spiekey | http://pastebin.ca/792530 | 14:26 |
| spiekey | i can´t get to the 2nd router interface (10.190.104.53). | 14:26 |
| spiekey | the packets never get to my router. | 14:26 |
| spiekey | so i am assuming my ubuntu box does not know which interface to use for this destination | 14:27 |
| spiekey | whoever answers first gets a cookie! ;) | 14:28 |
| spiekey | sorry, typo. The Client Gateway is not *.51 but *.59 | 14:29 |
| spiekey | Corrected version: http://pastebin.ca/792533 | 14:29 |
| _ruben | bridging a dmz and lan .. wtf? | 14:31 |
| spiekey | why not? ;) | 14:31 |
| _ruben | odd .. overly complicated .. | 14:31 |
| spiekey | ok, its not common...but i need it that way | 14:31 |
| * spiekey has to mentiont that this is going to be a bridged firewall. | 14:33 | |
| _ruben | so eth1 is part of the bridge but should also be used 'seperately'? .. never worked with bridges myself, but it all sounds very nasty | 14:33 |
| _ruben | or wait .. you want to access an ip on the router itself ... even stranger | 14:34 |
| spiekey | _ruben: well, the ip of the router or an ip behind...whats the diffrence?! ;) | 14:34 |
| _ruben | ow .. "Router" isnt the box with 3 nics .. which is a bridge indeed .. ok | 14:34 |
| spiekey | the "Router" is some Cisco box | 14:35 |
| _ruben | in that case you lack a route to 10.190.104 i'd say | 14:35 |
| spiekey | _ruben: exactly | 14:35 |
| _ruben | dunno what the ubuntu way for that is, yet, tho | 14:36 |
| spiekey | this did not work out for me: route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 gateway 10.206.160.125 | 14:36 |
| _ruben | jikes .. the route command .. scary .. better use 'ip' .. its syntax is much 'nicer' | 14:37 |
| spiekey | hehe | 14:37 |
| spiekey | i only know the route command :P | 14:37 |
| _ruben | and that's a pretty wide subnet mask | 14:37 |
| spiekey | but wait..i have an idea... | 14:37 |
| spiekey | just thought that...i wanted to cover it all ;) | 14:37 |
| spiekey | yey! | 14:38 |
| spiekey | it works! | 14:38 |
| spiekey | thats ruben! ;) | 14:38 |
| spiekey | thanks | 14:38 |
| _ruben | still wondering why such a setup would be needed, then again, i probably do not want to know ;) | 14:39 |
| _ruben | (curiousity versus sanity) | 14:39 |
| spiekey | ruben: all i am doing is to replace a simple 9,90$ Switch with a Firewall ;) | 14:40 |
| spiekey | so thats even an improvement. | 14:40 |
| spiekey | unfortunatelly i am not responible of the other two connected networks. | 14:41 |
| _ruben | ic | 14:41 |
| spiekey | ic? | 14:41 |
| _ruben | i see | 14:45 |
| spiekey | ah! :) | 14:45 |
| nealmcb | joerlend, soren, sommer: good conversation - I've had many of the same questions, and getting it documented in a way that easily answers the sorts of questions that joerlend is asking would be a nice win! | 15:14 |
| sommer | nealmcb: ya, webapps are on my doc to-do list.... I believe this was also discussed at UDS, but I'm not sure of the links | 15:22 |
| nealmcb | sommer: right - I was thinking a link to that blueprint would be handy for joerlend | 15:22 |
| sommer | nealmcb: I think this is it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebAppsPackaging | 15:32 |
| nealmcb | sommer: thanks | 15:33 |
| sommer | np | 15:33 |
| nealmcb | joerlend: ^ | 15:33 |
| methods | does server have pcmcia supoprt ? | 15:47 |
| zul | it should | 15:52 |
| methods | it didn' even lite up my card | 15:52 |
| soren | methods: Does it if you're running the -generic kernel? | 16:00 |
| methods | i just installed i havn't touched anything | 16:00 |
| soren | methods: Let me rephrase: | 16:00 |
| methods | 2.6.22-14-server | 16:00 |
| soren | methods: Do you have any reason to believe it's specific to the server edition? | 16:00 |
| methods | nope | 16:00 |
| soren | Ah. | 16:00 |
| methods | just firured it might not have laptop stuff | 16:01 |
| soren | It has pcmcia drivers, yes. | 16:01 |
| soren | pcmciautils is even installed by default. | 16:01 |
| methods | your right | 16:01 |
| methods | but the card isn't even lit up | 16:01 |
| AnRkey_ | does ubuntu have a webdav server? | 16:02 |
| AnRkey_ | and if so what is it called? | 16:02 |
| joerlend | apache? | 16:03 |
| joerlend | sommer, thanks for the link. | 16:04 |
| AnRkey_ | am i missing something here? how would I use apache to set up a webdav server? does anyone have a link or something for me? | 16:05 |
| AnRkey_ | ok i found it | 16:07 |
| AnRkey_ | thanks joerlend | 16:07 |
| methods | any advice ? | 16:07 |
| methods | on how to test if this card can work ? | 16:07 |
| mralphabet | methods: what card is it? | 16:28 |
| methods | mralphabet: u.s. robotics 10/100 | 16:53 |
| methods | usr7901 | 16:53 |
| methods | hm dmesg shows it was inserted and registered | 16:54 |
| methods | but i see no activity lights and ifconfig doesn' tshow it | 16:54 |
| mralphabet | umm, is it plugged into the ethernet? | 16:55 |
| methods | you mean into the network ? | 16:55 |
| methods | it should still show up | 16:56 |
| methods | in ifconfig -a | 16:56 |
| methods | non of the pcmcia net modules seem to work | 16:57 |
| methods | only has 10 too | 16:57 |
| sommer | methods: just to double check do you have pcmciautils installed? | 16:59 |
| methods | yes | 16:59 |
| sommer | you might also try pcmcia-cs, it says deprecated so there's probably a replacement package (not sure if pcmciautils is the package) | 17:00 |
| sommer | your card is mentioned here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-June/000422.html | 17:00 |
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| nealmcb | ivoks (or whoever) - re: this avahi debate.... I've seen various claims of avahi breaking other uses of .local (e.g. the vpn case), but I also see there have been efforts to automatically disable avahi if .local unicast dns is detected. are those not working? can we try to fix them? | 18:23 |
| soren | That could work. | 18:27 |
| soren | ....but I'd like to reiterate my point that avahi is not installed on ubuntu server. | 18:27 |
| soren | Scenario: I'm in the bush. I've got nothing but a (charged) laptop and an Ubuntu Server CD. Question: How do I avahify this laptop? | 18:28 |
| soren | Answers on my desk tomorrow morning, no less than 500 words. Class dismissed. | 18:28 |
| * soren calls it a day | 18:28 | |
| methods | whats avahi | 18:29 |
| nealmcb | methods: apt-cache show avahi-daemon | 18:36 |
| nealmcb | and see www.zeroconf.org/ | 18:37 |
| nealmcb | (and be careful about cntl-w when switching your fingers from emacs to pidgin -:( | 18:38 |
| proprietarysucks | anyone know a guide for 'kickstarting' ubuntu? I have it all set up I just don't know how to do the 'automation' part of it (like the kickstart file for red-hat).. anyone know what I'm trying to say? | 18:48 |
| methods | kickstart ? | 18:48 |
| methods | you want programs to start up ? | 18:48 |
| zul | proprietarysucks: like preseeds? | 18:49 |
| proprietarysucks | I just want the install to be automated | 18:49 |
| zul | proprietarysucks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KickstartCompatibility | 18:49 |
| proprietarysucks | as in, I write down the answers to the install questions in a file and direct the kernel to it | 18:50 |
| proprietarysucks | yes thanks | 18:50 |
| proprietarysucks | what is the little animal name for the current release | 18:50 |
| zul | gibbon | 18:51 |
| proprietarysucks | thanks | 18:51 |
| proprietarysucks | can anyone tell me what the kernel option -- does ? | 18:59 |
| CharlieSu | would anyone look at this http://pastebin.com/m408b8e2 and tell me why i can't get to port 993? i'm trying to setup email | 19:10 |
| mralphabet | proprietarysucks: what are you looking at? | 19:11 |
| proprietarysucks | the ubuntu server 7.10 pxeboot kernel appends | 19:12 |
| proprietarysucks | they all end with -- | 19:12 |
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| mralphabet | CharlieSu: setup email with . . . | 19:14 |
| CharlieSu | mralphabet: ? | 19:16 |
| CharlieSu | mralphabet: i think the problem is that im' not listening on ip4 and only ipv6 | 19:16 |
| CharlieSu | but i don't know how to change that | 19:16 |
| mralphabet | CharlieSu: what package? | 19:16 |
| CharlieSu | mralphabet: imaps | 19:17 |
| CharlieSu | courrier | 19:17 |
| mralphabet | on fiesty? gutsy? | 19:17 |
| mralphabet | dapper? | 19:18 |
| proprietarysucks | that wiki page you sent me doesn't apply to 710. also, it implies that most normal kickstart settings were compatible, yet none seem to be being applied. | 19:18 |
| CharlieSu | 7.10 | 19:18 |
| CharlieSu | mralphabet: also here is this http://pastebin.com/m2e4444d4 | 19:19 |
| CharlieSu | and this | 19:19 |
| CharlieSu | http://pastebin.com/m408b8e2 | 19:19 |
| CharlieSu | might help | 19:19 |
| CharlieSu | phunki.com is the domain.. i try telnet phunki.com 993 | 19:19 |
| mralphabet | have you looked at etc/courier/imapd? | 19:20 |
| CharlieSu | mralphabet: i don't see anything about ip4 or ip6 in that file | 19:21 |
| mralphabet | CharlieSu: do you have an ADDRESS: line in it? | 19:23 |
| mralphabet | or could you pastebin etc/courier/imapd file? | 19:24 |
| CharlieSu | SSLADDRESS=0 | 19:24 |
| CharlieSu | YEAH | 19:24 |
| CharlieSu | http://pastebin.com/m755de3a9 | 19:26 |
| mralphabet | # | 19:27 |
| mralphabet | # Address to listen on, can be set to a single IP address. | 19:27 |
| mralphabet | # | 19:27 |
| mralphabet | # | 19:27 |
| mralphabet | # | 19:27 |
| mralphabet | # ADDRESS=127.0.0.1 | 19:27 |
| mralphabet | # | 19:27 |
| mralphabet | # | 19:27 |
| mralphabet | ADDRESS=0 | 19:27 |
| nealmcb | mralphabet: please stop that | 19:27 |
| CharlieSu | that bad? | 19:27 |
| CharlieSu | doesn't 0 mean everything? | 19:28 |
| mralphabet | CharlieSu: set that to an IP address you want to listen to and see if your netstat changes | 19:28 |
| mralphabet | CharlieSu: if that doesn't work, I would suggest finding somebody who is more familiar with courier or possibly the courier channels (if there are any) | 19:30 |
| nealmcb | is that ip address really used to select which interface to listen on? | 19:30 |
| CharlieSu | mralphabet: it did | 19:30 |
| CharlieSu | tcp 0 0 65.90.217.148:993 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - | 19:30 |
| mralphabet | and does it answer now? | 19:30 |
| CharlieSu | BUT... when i do 'telnet phunki.com 993' no answer | 19:30 |
| CharlieSu | look at iptables | 19:31 |
| CharlieSu | http://pastebin.com/m2e4444d4 | 19:31 |
| nealmcb | CharlieSu: well, I don't see imaps (port 993) on there with the other ports allowed in.... | 19:37 |
| CharlieSu | nealmcb: ok.. do i need to do something similar to this 'PAROLE tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:pop3' ? | 19:38 |
| nealmcb | I would guess so - with imaps rather than pop3 - but I don't fully follow that firewall scheme | 19:39 |
| nealmcb | what do you use to configure your firewall? | 19:39 |
| osmosis | how do I set my default crontab -e editor ? | 20:02 |
| zul | export EDITOR="<your choice here>" | 20:04 |
| nealmcb | osmosis: man crontab | 20:04 |
| nealmcb | "VISUAL" is also consulted | 20:05 |
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| methods | i dont think pcmciautils supports this card | 20:24 |
| folke | Do you know when the fixed firehol packet is going to gutsy? | 22:02 |
| Burgundavia | folke: is it a security bug? | 22:04 |
| nealmcb | is there a way to get the host command (or some other similar command) to search according to nsswitch.conf? i.e. to do mdns queries (and in particular ip address queries via mdns)? | 22:21 |
| folke | Burgundavia: Well, firehol wont work for bash31 i think? | 22:22 |
| Burgundavia | folke: if it is not a security update and there is a simple patch that fixes that problem, it might be a target for an SRU | 22:23 |
| folke | Burgundavia: Ah, I am an old debian user.. So I must RTFM about SRU :) | 22:24 |
| Burgundavia | and SRU is a stable release update | 22:25 |
| Burgundavia | like Ubuntu, we don't push new upstreams into stable versions of Ubuntu | 22:25 |
| Burgundavia | this allows small patches to specific problems to be pushed into the stable version of Ubuntu | 22:25 |
| folke | Burgundavia: Ah, I see.. Is it a special repo that I must add, or is those packet added to gutsy repos? | 22:26 |
| Burgundavia | well, no SRU has yet happened for firehol, at least that I know of | 22:27 |
| Burgundavia | do you have a bug #? | 22:27 |
| Burgundavia | and a patch for the problem? | 22:28 |
| folke | #78017, and I found that there was already a fix for this problem. | 22:29 |
| folke | But I found the SRU on ubuntu wiki, so I will read up on it before I ask more silly questions :) | 22:30 |
| folke | Burgundavia: Thanks for the help. | 22:31 |
| Burgundavia | no worries | 22:31 |
| Burgundavia | folke: it looks liek the SRU process is already underway | 22:32 |
| Burgundavia | all that needs to happen is for you to show that the update doesn't break anything and fixes the bug and then it can go into -updates | 22:32 |
| folke | Burgundavia: Ah, perfect.. I will try it out tomorrow at work.. | 22:33 |
| nealmcb | but 78017 | 22:41 |
| nealmcb | bug 78017 | 22:41 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 78017 in firehol "[SRU] firehol locks down Feisty & Gusty systems" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78017 | 22:41 |
| nealmcb | wow - that bug has taken quite a while...... | 22:52 |
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