[00:00] <ajmitch> hm, or not, I don't see the user admin functions there
[02:46] <fujin_> Hello.
[02:46] <fujin_> Any pam_ldap/nss_ldap guru's around?
[02:47] <kgoetz> surely i dont have to !ask you of all people? :)
[02:48] <fujin_> I need to work out how to make the aforementioned NOT lookup information for root, cups, postfix etc.
[02:49] <kgoetz> insert lines to check against sytem passwd first, then against ldap
[02:49] <fujin_> I don't want to check against system passwd first.
[02:49] <kgoetz> *shrug*
[02:50] <kgoetz> at your option
[07:30] <osmosis> well... installed phpmyadmin but im not getting it at  http://localhost/phpmyadmin . I checked and /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf  exists. Not sure what to do.
[07:40] <_ruben> jetole: not "another router", "any router" .. with router in the broadest sense of the word .. mrtg can monitor localhost and random *nix/win machines just fine (as long as it has a snmp server running)
[11:20] <joerlend> how do one install web applications from the repositories? I mean, I install the packages, but that isn't enough. Is there a unified way?
[12:53] <soren> joerlend: Which one in particular are you trying to install? (Explaining by example is helpful here, you see)
[12:54] <joerlend> well, just now, it's kolab-webadmin, but I was trying to understand the general process.
[12:55] <joerlend> I've stayed away from the web application packages in the repos because I haven't seen any use for them. It doesn't seem to be explained anywhere.
[12:56] <soren> joerlend: kolab-webadmin conveniently lands at http://yourhostname/admin/
[12:56] <joerlend> no, it doesn't.
[12:56] <soren> elaborate, please.
[12:56] <joerlend> it lands at /usr/share/kolab-webadmin
[12:56] <soren> That's a filesystem path.
[12:57] <joerlend> yes, and apache doesn't know anything about it.
[12:57] <soren> Which is not a very convenient way to address web pages.
[12:57] <soren> joerlend: Have you tried http://whatever/admin/
[12:57] <soren> ?
[12:57] <joerlend> yes, of course.
[12:57] <joerlend> I haven't seen any webapp where that works.
[12:58] <soren> "that"?
[12:58] <joerlend> yes, that which you just described.
[12:58] <soren> I have given one specific example of how to access kolab-webadmin.
[12:58] <soren> I'd like for you to explain how you have attempted to apply the same approach to other webapps.
[12:59] <soren> (It may not look like it, but I am actually trying to be helpful here)
[12:59] <joerlend> ok, then you're saying that if I sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin, then afterwards, assuming I've already installed LAMP of course, it should be automatically available in http://localhost/phpmyadmin?
[12:59] <soren> http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ yes
[13:01] <joerlend> heh, that actually seems to work now.
[13:01] <joerlend> it provided a configuration script.
[13:01] <soren> As should any other webapp.
[13:01] <joerlend> but they don't.
[13:02] <joerlend> kolab-webadmin, for instance, had a README in /usr/share/doc/kolab-webadmin or something, that told me to create one symlink here, and one there, and so forth. Still didn't work though.
[13:03] <soren> joerlend: It (sort of) works for me.
[13:04] <joerlend> it's necessary to edit php-files in order to make it run at all.
[13:04] <soren> joerlend: The requests land in the webapp, but as I've not set up kolab itself, it just fails spectacularly.
[13:05] <joerlend> there is no dialogs for configuring the webserver.
[13:05] <joerlend> there is no "admin" available from apache at all.
[13:05] <soren> joerlend: That's really a different issue. "Requires me to edit php files to know where the kolab server is" != "Does not provide a url scheme to access it"
[13:05] <joerlend> ?
[13:06] <joerlend> I'm saying that it's easier to download and install manually than it is to install from repositories.
[13:06] <soren> I've never installed kolab-webadmin manually. How is it easier?
[13:07] <joerlend> extract the zip and put it in the webroot, configure the files, and you're done.
[13:08] <soren> And with the ubuntu packages, instead of extracting zip into webroot, you need to apt-get install kolab-webadmin and create a symlink.
[13:08] <soren> Doesn't sound much more difficult to me.
[13:08] <soren> ..am I missing something?
[13:09] <joerlend> the process is just the same, except that using packages, I had to find out where the packages was located first, then copy that folder to the webroot, and then do what I'd usually do in the first place.
[13:09] <joerlend> well, the repositories saved me the trouble of actually downloading the tarball, but in return I got an older version.
[13:10] <soren> That's the way distributions work.
[13:10] <joerlend> ?
[13:10] <soren> They grab source, package it and make it available.
[13:11] <soren> They're (we're) perpetually playing catch-up with the upstream.
[13:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> webapps arnt always easiest to setup :(
[13:11] <joerlend> so there isn't any reason to use debs for webapps then?
[13:11] <soren> joerlend: In return, someone has tested it for you, provides upgrade paths, and makes sure it doesn't kill your cat.
[13:11] <soren> joerlend: Did I say that?
[13:12] <joerlend> oh, ok. It does have some advantages anyway then.
[13:12] <soren> joerlend: If your life depends on having the absolute latest release of any given piece of software at *all* times, there's no distribution out there for you, I'm afraid.
[13:12] <joerlend> I'm not talking about that.
[13:13] <soren> joerlend: "< ~joerlend> so there isn't any reason to use debs for webapps then?"   <--- Then what did that mean?
[13:13] <joerlend> I just didn't see any reason why I should use the repositories when they actually complicated things.
[13:13] <soren> joerlend: ...and I don't see how they complicate things.
[13:14] <soren> joerlend: You are clearly used to installing the kolab webadmin thing from source. Anything we'll do, will be different from that and as such might cause surprises for you.
[13:14] <joerlend> well, when I download and extract a tarball, I know where it's located. I'll just move it into the right place and set permissions, and I'm done.
[13:14] <joerlend> I'm not talking about kolab-webadmin.
[13:15] <soren> joerlend: When I install a webapp in Ubuntu, I really shouldn't need to know where it's located.
[13:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> it would be nice if the packaged webapps wound up in tehir own vhosts by default (but i suppose that requires relevent dns changes ;(... handt though of that)
[13:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> or at least a standard of linking into apaches conf.d with a file that alias /myname to /mypath
[13:15] <joerlend> I'm just saying that I wish the debs would make the webapp available to the webserver, and not just extract the tarball to some directory somewhere where apache can't get to it.
[13:15] <soren> joerlend: I know that the packager has put any configuration files into /etc and that there's probably a configuration snippet provided that is either already shoved into apache or can be very easily shoved into apache.
[13:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> joerlend, you want the packageing system to be an centralised wget for webapps?
[13:16] <avatar_> roundcube-webmail from packages does provide /etc/apache2/conf.d/roundcube-webmail
[13:16] <avatar_> so does cacti
[13:17] <joerlend> no, I just want it to install the application and not just download it.
[13:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> incl. config?
[13:17] <soren> joerlend: The fact that it doesn't put things directly into /var/www is a feature.
[13:18] <joerlend> ok, then what's the difference between downloading the tarball and extracting it and installing the deb?
[13:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> soren, have to agree.
[13:18] <soren> joerlend: Upgrade path, qa, integration, and possibly configuration.
[13:18] <joerlend> integration?
[13:18] <soren> joerlend: Yes.
[13:18] <joerlend> ?
[13:19] <soren> joerlend: While an upstream webapp author only provides the webapp in question, Debian and Ubuntu provide a lot of other stuff.
[13:20] <soren> joerlend: If we think it's a good idea, we can make it a lot easier for said webapp to integrate with other software installed.
[13:20] <joerlend> well, if all the webapps worked the same way as phpmyadmin, I'd be happy. They don't,.
[13:20] <soren> joerlend: Also, we provide security updates automatically.
[13:20] <soren> joerlend: File bugs. Please.
[13:21] <joerlend> ok, so it _should_ present automatic configuration of apache?
[13:21] <soren> joerlend: Most webapps I've come across in the archive do something similar to what phpmyadmin does.
[13:21] <soren> joerlend: Of course.
[13:21] <soren> joerlend: If it makes sense.
[13:21] <joerlend> ok, then I understand.
[13:21] <soren> joerlend: ...and most do.
[13:21] <joerlend> none of the webapps I've tried so far has done that, until phpmyadmin now.
[13:21] <soren> joerlend: I don't have any statistics to back this up, only years and years of experience.
[13:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> squirrelmail is anoying. theres no way to reconfigure with dpkg.
[13:22] <soren> joerlend: Examples, please.
[13:22] <soren> Kamping_Kaiser: squirrelmail is annoying. full stop.
[13:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> soren, yeah. no argument
[13:23] <joerlend> soren, phpmyadmin didn't do it the last time I tried. Granted, it's been a while.
[13:23] <soren> joerlend: Like a decade or so?
[13:23] <joerlend> no, but probably a year.
[13:24] <soren> joerlend: It's been doing this for at least all of this millenium.
[13:24] <joerlend> couldn't have.
[13:25] <soren> You're not going to back that up?
[13:25] <soren> With some.. you know.. information?
[13:26] <joerlend> well, there was no ubuntu repositories..
[13:26] <soren> Debian?
[13:27] <joerlend> yes. I don't know what they're doing.
[13:28] <joerlend> is there a right way of installing a web application=
[13:28] <joerlend> ?
[13:28] <soren> Our phpmyadmin package comes from Debian.
[13:32] <joerlend> I just installed the package zabbix-frontend-php. I didn't receive any information about it, except that the package has been installed. There is no symlink in /var/www. I'm guessing I have to use dpkg -L and locate the files, find out if there is a README or something and follow that guide to install it manually? Is that true, or not?
[13:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it have a file in /etc/apache/conf.d ?
[13:35] <zul> morning
[13:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, welcome in
[13:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> congrats
[13:37] <joerlend> Kamping_Kaiser, yes, but I'm trying to understand how this works...
[13:37] <soren> joerlend: there's not supposed to be a symlink in /var/Www
[13:37] <joerlend> oh and it seems I have to create a user for it manually. Shouldn't some script do that?
[13:37] <joerlend> soren, ok?
[13:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> joerlend, it should come 'preconfigured' to (eg localhost/<appname>
[13:38] <soren> joerlend: It sets up an alias in apache.
[13:39] <soren> joerlend: I sincerely hope that's what phpmyadmin does, too.
[13:40] <soren> It is.
[13:40] <joerlend> and all webapps in the repository should work this way?
[13:40] <soren> Yes.
[13:41] <soren> ...that's the way phpmyadmin has done it for as long as I can remember.
[13:42] <joerlend> perhaps I've misunderstood the procedure.
[13:43] <pschulz01> Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks... lots of emails to send :-)
[13:43] <joerlend> I haven't been able to find any documentation on this subject anywhere.
[13:43] <soren> That's why I tried to point out the difference between file system paths and web paths.
[13:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, sorry, lots of people got told :)
[13:45] <soren> joerlend: There might not be any. Where would be an appropriate place to put such documentation?
[13:46] <joerlend> help.ubuntu.com?
[13:46] <soren> Front page?
[13:46] <soren> :)
[13:46] <joerlend> perhaps under the "Installing applications" section?
[13:47] <joerlend> https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/add-applications/C/index.html <-- that would be a good place for such documentation.
[13:47] <soren> There's supposed to be a server section somewhere.
[13:47] <soren> https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/
[13:48] <sommer> hey all
[13:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey
[13:49] <sommer> soren, joerlend: acutally wabapps are on the list to be added to the server Docs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerGuide
[13:49] <soren> Great.
[13:49] <soren> joerlend: Would you be willing to help out in writing that?
[13:49] <sommer> you can also find phpmyadmin steps here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/phpMyAdmin
[13:50] <joerlend> soren, yes, if I could understand it.
[13:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all
[13:50] <sommer> Kamping_Kaiser: later on
[13:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> pschulz01, congrats again. catch you online :)
[13:50] <soren> joerlend: You're clearly getting there.. :)
[13:50] <ivoks> i hate compiling kernel :/
[13:51] <soren> ivoks: don't?
[13:51] <soren> There. Problem solved.
[13:51] <soren> Who's next?
[13:51] <joerlend> s:)
[13:51] <sommer> heh
[13:51] <ivoks> soren: bug 158288
[13:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 158288 in redhat-cluster-suite "Node hangs at clvm when joining cluster" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158288
[13:51] <ivoks> there, o have to :/
[13:51] <ivoks> i
[13:52] <joerlend> soren, ok, the webapp is complaining about a php setting. Is it appropriate to edit /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, or should I do that somewhere else?
[13:52] <soren> Fabio's fixing it. Take the day off :)
[13:52] <soren> joerlend: Which setting?
[13:53] <soren> joerlend: With no further information, the answer is "somewhere else".
[13:53] <ivoks> soren: lol... it's not that simple... aparently, this comes up only in some circumstances...
[13:53] <soren> joerlend: The php.ini should provide sane, usable defaults.
[13:53] <ivoks> so, fabio created a patch, now i'm building a kernel for testing
[13:54] <soren> joerlend: If you've uncovered something that hints towards the defaults being insufficient, we'll consider tweaking them.
[13:54] <joerlend> soren, in general.
[13:54] <joerlend> is there a php.ini-file per webapp or something?
[13:54] <soren> joerlend: No.
[13:54] <soren> joerlend: Some settings can be tweaked from apache.
[13:54] <soren> Until, of course, we switch to php as a fastcgi application.
[13:55] <soren> :)
[13:55] <joerlend> ok. Zabbix complained about max execution time being less than 300 seconds.
[13:55] <ivoks> hehe
[13:56] <ivoks> speed is the problem?
[13:56] <ivoks> one word: eaccelerator
[13:56] <joerlend> no, installation is the problem.
[13:57] <joerlend> well, configuration. It won't let me proceed until php.ini is fixed.
[13:57] <ivoks> then fix it
[13:57] <joerlend> it also complains about timezone. It isn't set in php.ini. That's a bug, isn't it?
[13:57] <ivoks> no
[13:57] <joerlend> ok?
[13:58] <ivoks> php exports time zone of the system
[13:58] <ivoks> if your system is misconfigured, then, well...
[13:59] <joerlend> well, the webapp will not run until I've set it.
[13:59] <joerlend> what format do I use, and will that cause other webapps to malfunction?
[14:00] <soren> Any idea why zabbix might want max execution time to be > 300 seconds?
[14:00] <ivoks> broken by design?
[14:01] <soren> It's especially curious as it's something you can even tweak from within a php script.
[14:01] <joerlend> I have no idea. I just wanted to try it out, because I would really use a webbased system monitor.
[14:01] <ivoks> you've tried nagios?
[14:01] <joerlend> no.
[14:02] <_ruben> seems to be more along the lines of cacti i think
[14:02] <ivoks> nagios?
[14:02] <ivoks> nagios monitor server or/and services
[14:02] <ivoks> and can report failed service/server
[14:03] <_ruben> and cacti can show nice grapsh .. we use both
[14:03] <_ruben> graphs even
[14:03] <zul> we use hobbit nice and effective
[14:03] <ivoks> whatever you do, don't touch zenoss :)
[14:04] <ivoks> it does an evil thing to sudoers
[14:04] <soren> cricket is allegedly very nice for graphing stuff. I use nagios myself to monitor service availability and such.
[14:04] <_ruben> heh .. hobbit's a bigbrother 'clone' .. we used bb for years .. is rather limited though, though perhaps hobbit has filled in the gaps
[14:04] <joerlend> ivoks, then it should be available as http://localhost/nagios?
[14:04] <ivoks> joerlend: yes
[14:04] <joerlend> it isn't.
[14:05] <ivoks> you installed it, right?
[14:05] <ivoks> and it's running?
[14:06] <joerlend> I installed it..
[14:06] <joerlend> :)
[14:07] <joerlend> well, there are alot of other packages. I only installed nagios2
[14:08] <ivoks> install at least nagios-text
[14:08] <joerlend> ok.. If it's required, shouldn't the package depend on it?
[14:10] <ivoks> no
[14:10] <joerlend> ehrm. It asked me for a password, but not a username. I still have to provide one.. What is it?
[14:10] <ivoks> couse you can choose several backends
[14:10] <soren> joerlend: nagiosadmin
[14:11] <soren> ivoks: It could depend on nagios2-text | nagios2-pgsql | nagios2-mysql, though.
[14:11] <soren> ivoks: I don't remember why it doesn't.
[14:17] <spiekey> howdy!
[14:21] <soren> hello
[14:25] <spiekey> i have some routing problem here i think...maybe someone can help me out here.
[14:26] <spiekey> http://pastebin.ca/792530
[14:26] <spiekey> i can´t get to the 2nd router interface (10.190.104.53).
[14:26] <spiekey> the packets never get to my router.
[14:27] <spiekey> so i am assuming my ubuntu box does not know which interface to use for this destination
[14:28] <spiekey> whoever answers first gets a cookie! ;)
[14:29] <spiekey> sorry, typo. The Client Gateway is not *.51 but *.59
[14:29] <spiekey> Corrected version: http://pastebin.ca/792533
[14:31] <_ruben> bridging a dmz and lan .. wtf?
[14:31] <spiekey> why not? ;)
[14:31] <_ruben> odd .. overly complicated ..
[14:31] <spiekey> ok, its not common...but i need it that way
[14:33]  * spiekey has to mentiont that this is going to be a bridged firewall.
[14:33] <_ruben> so eth1 is part of the bridge but should also be used 'seperately'? .. never worked with bridges myself, but it all sounds very nasty
[14:34] <_ruben> or wait .. you want to access an ip on the router itself ... even stranger
[14:34] <spiekey> _ruben: well, the ip of the router or an ip behind...whats the diffrence?! ;)
[14:34] <_ruben> ow .. "Router" isnt the box with 3 nics .. which is a bridge indeed .. ok
[14:35] <spiekey> the "Router" is some Cisco box
[14:35] <_ruben> in that case you lack a route to 10.190.104 i'd say
[14:35] <spiekey> _ruben: exactly
[14:36] <_ruben> dunno what the ubuntu way for that is, yet, tho
[14:36] <spiekey> this did not work out for me: route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 gateway 10.206.160.125
[14:37] <_ruben> jikes .. the route command .. scary .. better use 'ip' .. its syntax is much 'nicer'
[14:37] <spiekey> hehe
[14:37] <spiekey> i only know the route command :P
[14:37] <_ruben> and that's a pretty wide subnet mask
[14:37] <spiekey> but wait..i have an idea...
[14:37] <spiekey> just thought that...i wanted to cover it all ;)
[14:38] <spiekey> yey!
[14:38] <spiekey> it works!
[14:38] <spiekey> thats ruben! ;)
[14:38] <spiekey> thanks
[14:39] <_ruben> still wondering why such a setup would be needed, then again, i probably do not want to know ;)
[14:39] <_ruben> (curiousity versus sanity)
[14:40] <spiekey> ruben: all i am doing is to replace a simple 9,90$ Switch with a Firewall ;)
[14:40] <spiekey> so thats even an improvement.
[14:41] <spiekey> unfortunatelly i am not responible of the other two connected networks.
[14:41] <_ruben> ic
[14:41] <spiekey> ic?
[14:45] <_ruben> i see
[14:45] <spiekey> ah! :)
[15:14] <nealmcb> joerlend, soren, sommer: good conversation - I've had many of the same questions, and getting it documented in a way that easily answers the sorts of questions that joerlend  is asking would be a nice win!
[15:22] <sommer> nealmcb: ya, webapps are on my doc to-do list.... I believe this was also discussed at UDS, but I'm not sure of the links
[15:22] <nealmcb> sommer: right - I was thinking a link to that blueprint would be handy for joerlend
[15:32] <sommer> nealmcb: I think this is it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebAppsPackaging
[15:33] <nealmcb> sommer: thanks
[15:33] <sommer> np
[15:33] <nealmcb> joerlend: ^
[15:47] <methods> does server have pcmcia supoprt ?
[15:52] <zul> it should
[15:52] <methods> it didn' even lite up my card
[16:00] <soren> methods: Does it if you're running the -generic kernel?
[16:00] <methods> i just installed  i havn't touched anything
[16:00] <soren> methods: Let me rephrase:
[16:00] <methods> 2.6.22-14-server
[16:00] <soren> methods: Do you have any reason to believe it's specific to the server edition?
[16:00] <methods> nope
[16:00] <soren> Ah.
[16:01] <methods> just firured it might not have laptop stuff
[16:01] <soren> It has pcmcia drivers, yes.
[16:01] <soren> pcmciautils is even installed by default.
[16:01] <methods> your right
[16:01] <methods> but the card isn't even lit up
[16:02] <AnRkey_> does ubuntu have a webdav server?
[16:02] <AnRkey_> and if so what is it called?
[16:03] <joerlend> apache?
[16:04] <joerlend> sommer, thanks for the link.
[16:05] <AnRkey_> am i missing something here? how would I use apache to set up a webdav server? does anyone have a link or something for me?
[16:07] <AnRkey_> ok i found it
[16:07] <AnRkey_> thanks joerlend
[16:07] <methods> any advice ?
[16:07] <methods> on how to test if this card can work ?
[16:28] <mralphabet> methods: what card is it?
[16:53] <methods> mralphabet: u.s. robotics 10/100
[16:53] <methods> usr7901
[16:54] <methods> hm dmesg shows it was inserted and registered
[16:54] <methods> but i see no activity lights and ifconfig doesn' tshow it
[16:55] <mralphabet> umm, is it plugged into the ethernet?
[16:55] <methods> you mean into the network ?
[16:56] <methods> it should still show up
[16:56] <methods> in ifconfig -a
[16:57] <methods> non of the pcmcia net modules seem to work
[16:57] <methods> only has 10 too
[16:59] <sommer> methods: just to double check do you have pcmciautils installed?
[16:59] <methods> yes
[17:00] <sommer> you might also try pcmcia-cs, it says deprecated so there's probably a replacement package (not sure if pcmciautils is the package)
[17:00] <sommer> your card is mentioned here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-June/000422.html
[18:23] <nealmcb> ivoks (or whoever) - re: this avahi debate....  I've seen various claims of avahi breaking other uses of .local (e.g. the vpn case), but I also see there have been efforts to automatically disable avahi if .local unicast dns is detected.  are those not working?  can we try to fix them?
[18:27] <soren> That could work.
[18:27] <soren> ....but I'd like to reiterate my point that avahi is not installed on ubuntu server.
[18:28] <soren> Scenario: I'm in the bush. I've got nothing but a (charged) laptop and an Ubuntu Server CD. Question: How do I avahify this laptop?
[18:28] <soren> Answers on my desk tomorrow morning, no less than 500 words. Class dismissed.
[18:28]  * soren calls it a day
[18:29] <methods> whats avahi
[18:36] <nealmcb> methods: apt-cache show avahi-daemon
[18:37] <nealmcb> and see www.zeroconf.org/
[18:38] <nealmcb> (and be careful about cntl-w when switching your fingers from emacs to pidgin -:(
[18:48] <proprietarysucks> anyone know a guide for 'kickstarting' ubuntu? I have it all set up I just don't know how to do the 'automation' part of it (like the kickstart file for red-hat).. anyone know what I'm trying to say?
[18:48] <methods> kickstart ?
[18:48] <methods> you want programs to start up ?
[18:49] <zul> proprietarysucks: like preseeds?
[18:49] <proprietarysucks> I just want the install to be automated
[18:49] <zul> proprietarysucks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KickstartCompatibility
[18:50] <proprietarysucks> as in, I write down the answers to the install questions in a file and direct the kernel to it
[18:50] <proprietarysucks> yes thanks
[18:50] <proprietarysucks> what is the little animal name for the current release
[18:51] <zul> gibbon
[18:51] <proprietarysucks> thanks
[18:59] <proprietarysucks> can anyone tell me what the kernel option   --     does ?
[19:10] <CharlieSu> would anyone look at this http://pastebin.com/m408b8e2 and tell me why i can't get to port 993?  i'm trying to setup email
[19:11] <mralphabet> proprietarysucks: what are you looking at?
[19:12] <proprietarysucks> the ubuntu server 7.10 pxeboot kernel appends
[19:12] <proprietarysucks> they all end with --
[19:14] <mralphabet> CharlieSu: setup email with . . .
[19:16] <CharlieSu> mralphabet: ?
[19:16] <CharlieSu> mralphabet: i think the problem is that im' not listening on ip4 and only ipv6
[19:16] <CharlieSu> but i don't know how to change that
[19:16] <mralphabet> CharlieSu: what package?
[19:17] <CharlieSu> mralphabet: imaps
[19:17] <CharlieSu> courrier
[19:17] <mralphabet> on fiesty? gutsy?
[19:18] <mralphabet> dapper?
[19:18] <proprietarysucks> that wiki page you sent me doesn't apply to 710. also, it implies that most normal kickstart settings were compatible, yet none seem to be being applied.
[19:18] <CharlieSu> 7.10
[19:19] <CharlieSu> mralphabet: also here is this    http://pastebin.com/m2e4444d4
[19:19] <CharlieSu> and this
[19:19] <CharlieSu> http://pastebin.com/m408b8e2
[19:19] <CharlieSu> might help
[19:19] <CharlieSu> phunki.com is the domain..    i try telnet phunki.com 993
[19:20] <mralphabet> have you looked at etc/courier/imapd?
[19:21] <CharlieSu> mralphabet: i don't see anything about ip4 or ip6 in that file
[19:23] <mralphabet> CharlieSu: do you have an ADDRESS: line in it?
[19:24] <mralphabet> or could you pastebin etc/courier/imapd file?
[19:24] <CharlieSu> SSLADDRESS=0
[19:24] <CharlieSu> YEAH
[19:26] <CharlieSu> http://pastebin.com/m755de3a9
[19:27] <mralphabet> #
[19:27] <mralphabet> #  Address to listen on, can be set to a single IP address.
[19:27] <mralphabet> #
[19:27] <mralphabet> #
[19:27] <mralphabet> #
[19:27] <mralphabet> # ADDRESS=127.0.0.1
[19:27] <mralphabet> #
[19:27] <mralphabet> #
[19:27] <mralphabet> ADDRESS=0
[19:27] <nealmcb> mralphabet: please stop that
[19:27] <CharlieSu> that bad?
[19:28] <CharlieSu> doesn't 0 mean everything?
[19:28] <mralphabet> CharlieSu: set that to an IP address you want to listen to and see if your netstat changes
[19:30] <mralphabet> CharlieSu: if that doesn't work, I would suggest finding somebody who is more familiar with courier or possibly the courier channels (if there are any)
[19:30] <nealmcb> is that ip address really used to select which interface to listen on?
[19:30] <CharlieSu> mralphabet: it did
[19:30] <CharlieSu> tcp        0      0 65.90.217.148:993       0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN     -
[19:30] <mralphabet> and does it answer now?
[19:30] <CharlieSu> BUT...  when i do 'telnet phunki.com 993'  no answer
[19:31] <CharlieSu> look at iptables
[19:31] <CharlieSu> http://pastebin.com/m2e4444d4
[19:37] <nealmcb> CharlieSu: well, I don't see imaps (port 993) on there with the other ports allowed in....
[19:38] <CharlieSu> nealmcb: ok..  do i need to do something similar to this 'PAROLE     tcp  --  anywhere             anywhere            tcp dpt:pop3' ?
[19:39] <nealmcb> I would guess so - with imaps rather than pop3 - but I don't fully follow that firewall scheme
[19:39] <nealmcb> what do you use to configure your firewall?
[20:02] <osmosis> how do I set my default crontab -e  editor ?
[20:04] <zul> export EDITOR="<your choice here>"
[20:04] <nealmcb> osmosis: man crontab
[20:05] <nealmcb> "VISUAL" is also consulted
[20:24] <methods> i dont think pcmciautils supports this card
[22:02] <folke> Do you know when the fixed firehol packet is going to gutsy?
[22:04] <Burgundavia> folke: is it a security bug?
[22:21] <nealmcb> is there a way to get the host command (or some other similar command) to search according to nsswitch.conf?  i.e. to do mdns queries (and in particular ip address queries via mdns)?
[22:22] <folke> Burgundavia: Well, firehol wont work for bash31 i think?
[22:23] <Burgundavia> folke: if it is not a security update and there is a simple patch that fixes that problem, it might be a target for an SRU
[22:24] <folke> Burgundavia: Ah, I am an old debian user.. So I must RTFM about SRU :)
[22:25] <Burgundavia> and SRU is a stable release update
[22:25] <Burgundavia> like Ubuntu, we don't push new upstreams into stable versions of Ubuntu
[22:25] <Burgundavia> this allows small patches to specific problems to be pushed into the stable version of Ubuntu
[22:26] <folke> Burgundavia: Ah, I see.. Is it a special repo that I must add, or is those packet added to gutsy repos?
[22:27] <Burgundavia> well, no SRU has yet happened for firehol, at least that I know of
[22:27] <Burgundavia> do you have a bug #?
[22:28] <Burgundavia> and a patch for the problem?
[22:29] <folke> #78017, and I found that there was already a fix for this problem.
[22:30] <folke> But I found the SRU on ubuntu wiki, so I will read up on it before I ask more silly questions :)
[22:31] <folke> Burgundavia: Thanks for the help.
[22:31] <Burgundavia> no worries
[22:32] <Burgundavia> folke: it looks liek the SRU process is already underway
[22:32] <Burgundavia> all that needs to happen is for you to show that the update doesn't break anything and fixes the bug and then it can go into -updates
[22:33] <folke> Burgundavia: Ah, perfect.. I will try it out tomorrow at work..
[22:41] <nealmcb> but 78017
[22:41] <nealmcb> bug 78017
[22:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78017 in firehol "[SRU] firehol locks down Feisty & Gusty systems" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78017
[22:52] <nealmcb> wow - that bug has taken quite a while......