[00:00] hm, or not, I don't see the user admin functions there === dendro-away is now known as dendrobates [02:46] Hello. [02:46] Any pam_ldap/nss_ldap guru's around? [02:47] surely i dont have to !ask you of all people? :) [02:48] I need to work out how to make the aforementioned NOT lookup information for root, cups, postfix etc. [02:49] insert lines to check against sytem passwd first, then against ldap [02:49] I don't want to check against system passwd first. [02:49] *shrug* [02:50] at your option [07:30] well... installed phpmyadmin but im not getting it at http://localhost/phpmyadmin . I checked and /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf exists. Not sure what to do. [07:40] <_ruben> jetole: not "another router", "any router" .. with router in the broadest sense of the word .. mrtg can monitor localhost and random *nix/win machines just fine (as long as it has a snmp server running) [11:20] how do one install web applications from the repositories? I mean, I install the packages, but that isn't enough. Is there a unified way? [12:53] joerlend: Which one in particular are you trying to install? (Explaining by example is helpful here, you see) [12:54] well, just now, it's kolab-webadmin, but I was trying to understand the general process. [12:55] I've stayed away from the web application packages in the repos because I haven't seen any use for them. It doesn't seem to be explained anywhere. [12:56] joerlend: kolab-webadmin conveniently lands at http://yourhostname/admin/ [12:56] no, it doesn't. [12:56] elaborate, please. [12:56] it lands at /usr/share/kolab-webadmin [12:56] That's a filesystem path. [12:57] yes, and apache doesn't know anything about it. [12:57] Which is not a very convenient way to address web pages. [12:57] joerlend: Have you tried http://whatever/admin/ [12:57] ? [12:57] yes, of course. [12:57] I haven't seen any webapp where that works. [12:58] "that"? [12:58] yes, that which you just described. [12:58] I have given one specific example of how to access kolab-webadmin. [12:58] I'd like for you to explain how you have attempted to apply the same approach to other webapps. [12:59] (It may not look like it, but I am actually trying to be helpful here) [12:59] ok, then you're saying that if I sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin, then afterwards, assuming I've already installed LAMP of course, it should be automatically available in http://localhost/phpmyadmin? [12:59] http://localhost/phpmyadmin/ yes [13:01] heh, that actually seems to work now. [13:01] it provided a configuration script. [13:01] As should any other webapp. [13:01] but they don't. [13:02] kolab-webadmin, for instance, had a README in /usr/share/doc/kolab-webadmin or something, that told me to create one symlink here, and one there, and so forth. Still didn't work though. [13:03] joerlend: It (sort of) works for me. [13:04] it's necessary to edit php-files in order to make it run at all. [13:04] joerlend: The requests land in the webapp, but as I've not set up kolab itself, it just fails spectacularly. [13:05] there is no dialogs for configuring the webserver. [13:05] there is no "admin" available from apache at all. [13:05] joerlend: That's really a different issue. "Requires me to edit php files to know where the kolab server is" != "Does not provide a url scheme to access it" [13:05] ? [13:06] I'm saying that it's easier to download and install manually than it is to install from repositories. [13:06] I've never installed kolab-webadmin manually. How is it easier? [13:07] extract the zip and put it in the webroot, configure the files, and you're done. [13:08] And with the ubuntu packages, instead of extracting zip into webroot, you need to apt-get install kolab-webadmin and create a symlink. [13:08] Doesn't sound much more difficult to me. [13:08] ..am I missing something? [13:09] the process is just the same, except that using packages, I had to find out where the packages was located first, then copy that folder to the webroot, and then do what I'd usually do in the first place. [13:09] well, the repositories saved me the trouble of actually downloading the tarball, but in return I got an older version. === crummygummy_ is now known as CrummyGummy [13:10] That's the way distributions work. [13:10] ? [13:10] They grab source, package it and make it available. [13:11] They're (we're) perpetually playing catch-up with the upstream. [13:11] webapps arnt always easiest to setup :( [13:11] so there isn't any reason to use debs for webapps then? [13:11] joerlend: In return, someone has tested it for you, provides upgrade paths, and makes sure it doesn't kill your cat. [13:11] joerlend: Did I say that? [13:12] oh, ok. It does have some advantages anyway then. [13:12] joerlend: If your life depends on having the absolute latest release of any given piece of software at *all* times, there's no distribution out there for you, I'm afraid. [13:12] I'm not talking about that. [13:13] joerlend: "< ~joerlend> so there isn't any reason to use debs for webapps then?" <--- Then what did that mean? [13:13] I just didn't see any reason why I should use the repositories when they actually complicated things. [13:13] joerlend: ...and I don't see how they complicate things. [13:14] joerlend: You are clearly used to installing the kolab webadmin thing from source. Anything we'll do, will be different from that and as such might cause surprises for you. [13:14] well, when I download and extract a tarball, I know where it's located. I'll just move it into the right place and set permissions, and I'm done. [13:14] I'm not talking about kolab-webadmin. [13:15] joerlend: When I install a webapp in Ubuntu, I really shouldn't need to know where it's located. [13:15] it would be nice if the packaged webapps wound up in tehir own vhosts by default (but i suppose that requires relevent dns changes ;(... handt though of that) [13:15] or at least a standard of linking into apaches conf.d with a file that alias /myname to /mypath [13:15] I'm just saying that I wish the debs would make the webapp available to the webserver, and not just extract the tarball to some directory somewhere where apache can't get to it. [13:15] joerlend: I know that the packager has put any configuration files into /etc and that there's probably a configuration snippet provided that is either already shoved into apache or can be very easily shoved into apache. [13:16] joerlend, you want the packageing system to be an centralised wget for webapps? [13:16] roundcube-webmail from packages does provide /etc/apache2/conf.d/roundcube-webmail [13:16] so does cacti [13:17] no, I just want it to install the application and not just download it. [13:17] incl. config? [13:17] joerlend: The fact that it doesn't put things directly into /var/www is a feature. [13:18] ok, then what's the difference between downloading the tarball and extracting it and installing the deb? [13:18] soren, have to agree. [13:18] joerlend: Upgrade path, qa, integration, and possibly configuration. [13:18] integration? [13:18] joerlend: Yes. [13:18] ? [13:19] joerlend: While an upstream webapp author only provides the webapp in question, Debian and Ubuntu provide a lot of other stuff. [13:20] joerlend: If we think it's a good idea, we can make it a lot easier for said webapp to integrate with other software installed. [13:20] well, if all the webapps worked the same way as phpmyadmin, I'd be happy. They don't,. [13:20] joerlend: Also, we provide security updates automatically. [13:20] joerlend: File bugs. Please. [13:21] ok, so it _should_ present automatic configuration of apache? [13:21] joerlend: Most webapps I've come across in the archive do something similar to what phpmyadmin does. [13:21] joerlend: Of course. [13:21] joerlend: If it makes sense. [13:21] ok, then I understand. [13:21] joerlend: ...and most do. [13:21] none of the webapps I've tried so far has done that, until phpmyadmin now. [13:21] joerlend: I don't have any statistics to back this up, only years and years of experience. [13:21] squirrelmail is anoying. theres no way to reconfigure with dpkg. [13:22] joerlend: Examples, please. [13:22] Kamping_Kaiser: squirrelmail is annoying. full stop. [13:22] soren, yeah. no argument [13:23] soren, phpmyadmin didn't do it the last time I tried. Granted, it's been a while. [13:23] joerlend: Like a decade or so? [13:23] no, but probably a year. [13:24] joerlend: It's been doing this for at least all of this millenium. [13:24] couldn't have. [13:25] You're not going to back that up? [13:25] With some.. you know.. information? [13:26] well, there was no ubuntu repositories.. [13:26] Debian? [13:27] yes. I don't know what they're doing. [13:28] is there a right way of installing a web application= [13:28] ? [13:28] Our phpmyadmin package comes from Debian. [13:32] I just installed the package zabbix-frontend-php. I didn't receive any information about it, except that the package has been installed. There is no symlink in /var/www. I'm guessing I have to use dpkg -L and locate the files, find out if there is a README or something and follow that guide to install it manually? Is that true, or not? [13:34] does it have a file in /etc/apache/conf.d ? [13:35] morning === paul____ is now known as pschulz01 [13:37] pschulz01, welcome in [13:37] congrats [13:37] Kamping_Kaiser, yes, but I'm trying to understand how this works... [13:37] joerlend: there's not supposed to be a symlink in /var/Www [13:37] oh and it seems I have to create a user for it manually. Shouldn't some script do that? [13:37] soren, ok? [13:38] joerlend, it should come 'preconfigured' to (eg localhost/ [13:38] joerlend: It sets up an alias in apache. [13:39] joerlend: I sincerely hope that's what phpmyadmin does, too. [13:40] It is. [13:40] and all webapps in the repository should work this way? [13:40] Yes. [13:41] ...that's the way phpmyadmin has done it for as long as I can remember. [13:42] perhaps I've misunderstood the procedure. [13:43] Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks... lots of emails to send :-) [13:43] I haven't been able to find any documentation on this subject anywhere. [13:43] That's why I tried to point out the difference between file system paths and web paths. [13:43] pschulz01, sorry, lots of people got told :) [13:45] joerlend: There might not be any. Where would be an appropriate place to put such documentation? [13:46] help.ubuntu.com? [13:46] Front page? [13:46] :) [13:46] perhaps under the "Installing applications" section? [13:47] https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/add-applications/C/index.html <-- that would be a good place for such documentation. [13:47] There's supposed to be a server section somewhere. [13:47] https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/server/C/ [13:48] hey all [13:48] hey [13:49] soren, joerlend: acutally wabapps are on the list to be added to the server Docs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerGuide [13:49] Great. [13:49] joerlend: Would you be willing to help out in writing that? [13:49] you can also find phpmyadmin steps here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/phpMyAdmin [13:50] soren, yes, if I could understand it. [13:50] night all [13:50] Kamping_Kaiser: later on [13:50] pschulz01, congrats again. catch you online :) [13:50] joerlend: You're clearly getting there.. :) [13:50] i hate compiling kernel :/ [13:51] ivoks: don't? [13:51] There. Problem solved. [13:51] Who's next? [13:51] s:) [13:51] heh [13:51] soren: bug 158288 [13:51] Launchpad bug 158288 in redhat-cluster-suite "Node hangs at clvm when joining cluster" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/158288 [13:51] there, o have to :/ [13:51] i [13:52] soren, ok, the webapp is complaining about a php setting. Is it appropriate to edit /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, or should I do that somewhere else? [13:52] Fabio's fixing it. Take the day off :) [13:52] joerlend: Which setting? [13:53] joerlend: With no further information, the answer is "somewhere else". [13:53] soren: lol... it's not that simple... aparently, this comes up only in some circumstances... [13:53] joerlend: The php.ini should provide sane, usable defaults. [13:53] so, fabio created a patch, now i'm building a kernel for testing [13:54] joerlend: If you've uncovered something that hints towards the defaults being insufficient, we'll consider tweaking them. [13:54] soren, in general. [13:54] is there a php.ini-file per webapp or something? [13:54] joerlend: No. [13:54] joerlend: Some settings can be tweaked from apache. [13:54] Until, of course, we switch to php as a fastcgi application. [13:55] :) [13:55] ok. Zabbix complained about max execution time being less than 300 seconds. [13:55] hehe [13:56] speed is the problem? [13:56] one word: eaccelerator [13:56] no, installation is the problem. [13:57] well, configuration. It won't let me proceed until php.ini is fixed. [13:57] then fix it [13:57] it also complains about timezone. It isn't set in php.ini. That's a bug, isn't it? [13:57] no [13:57] ok? [13:58] php exports time zone of the system [13:58] if your system is misconfigured, then, well... [13:59] well, the webapp will not run until I've set it. [13:59] what format do I use, and will that cause other webapps to malfunction? [14:00] Any idea why zabbix might want max execution time to be > 300 seconds? [14:00] broken by design? [14:01] It's especially curious as it's something you can even tweak from within a php script. [14:01] I have no idea. I just wanted to try it out, because I would really use a webbased system monitor. [14:01] you've tried nagios? [14:01] no. [14:02] <_ruben> seems to be more along the lines of cacti i think [14:02] nagios? [14:02] nagios monitor server or/and services [14:02] and can report failed service/server [14:03] <_ruben> and cacti can show nice grapsh .. we use both [14:03] <_ruben> graphs even [14:03] we use hobbit nice and effective [14:03] whatever you do, don't touch zenoss :) [14:04] it does an evil thing to sudoers [14:04] cricket is allegedly very nice for graphing stuff. I use nagios myself to monitor service availability and such. [14:04] <_ruben> heh .. hobbit's a bigbrother 'clone' .. we used bb for years .. is rather limited though, though perhaps hobbit has filled in the gaps [14:04] ivoks, then it should be available as http://localhost/nagios? [14:04] joerlend: yes [14:04] it isn't. [14:05] you installed it, right? [14:05] and it's running? [14:06] I installed it.. [14:06] :) [14:07] well, there are alot of other packages. I only installed nagios2 [14:08] install at least nagios-text [14:08] ok.. If it's required, shouldn't the package depend on it? [14:10] no [14:10] ehrm. It asked me for a password, but not a username. I still have to provide one.. What is it? [14:10] couse you can choose several backends [14:10] joerlend: nagiosadmin [14:11] ivoks: It could depend on nagios2-text | nagios2-pgsql | nagios2-mysql, though. [14:11] ivoks: I don't remember why it doesn't. [14:17] howdy! [14:21] hello [14:25] i have some routing problem here i think...maybe someone can help me out here. [14:26] http://pastebin.ca/792530 [14:26] i can´t get to the 2nd router interface (10.190.104.53). [14:26] the packets never get to my router. [14:27] so i am assuming my ubuntu box does not know which interface to use for this destination [14:28] whoever answers first gets a cookie! ;) [14:29] sorry, typo. The Client Gateway is not *.51 but *.59 [14:29] Corrected version: http://pastebin.ca/792533 [14:31] <_ruben> bridging a dmz and lan .. wtf? [14:31] why not? ;) [14:31] <_ruben> odd .. overly complicated .. [14:31] ok, its not common...but i need it that way [14:33] * spiekey has to mentiont that this is going to be a bridged firewall. [14:33] <_ruben> so eth1 is part of the bridge but should also be used 'seperately'? .. never worked with bridges myself, but it all sounds very nasty [14:34] <_ruben> or wait .. you want to access an ip on the router itself ... even stranger [14:34] _ruben: well, the ip of the router or an ip behind...whats the diffrence?! ;) [14:34] <_ruben> ow .. "Router" isnt the box with 3 nics .. which is a bridge indeed .. ok [14:35] the "Router" is some Cisco box [14:35] <_ruben> in that case you lack a route to 10.190.104 i'd say [14:35] _ruben: exactly [14:36] <_ruben> dunno what the ubuntu way for that is, yet, tho [14:36] this did not work out for me: route add -net 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 gateway 10.206.160.125 [14:37] <_ruben> jikes .. the route command .. scary .. better use 'ip' .. its syntax is much 'nicer' [14:37] hehe [14:37] i only know the route command :P [14:37] <_ruben> and that's a pretty wide subnet mask [14:37] but wait..i have an idea... [14:37] just thought that...i wanted to cover it all ;) [14:38] yey! [14:38] it works! [14:38] thats ruben! ;) [14:38] thanks [14:39] <_ruben> still wondering why such a setup would be needed, then again, i probably do not want to know ;) [14:39] <_ruben> (curiousity versus sanity) [14:40] ruben: all i am doing is to replace a simple 9,90$ Switch with a Firewall ;) [14:40] so thats even an improvement. [14:41] unfortunatelly i am not responible of the other two connected networks. [14:41] <_ruben> ic [14:41] ic? [14:45] <_ruben> i see [14:45] ah! :) [15:14] joerlend, soren, sommer: good conversation - I've had many of the same questions, and getting it documented in a way that easily answers the sorts of questions that joerlend is asking would be a nice win! [15:22] nealmcb: ya, webapps are on my doc to-do list.... I believe this was also discussed at UDS, but I'm not sure of the links [15:22] sommer: right - I was thinking a link to that blueprint would be handy for joerlend [15:32] nealmcb: I think this is it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebAppsPackaging [15:33] sommer: thanks [15:33] np [15:33] joerlend: ^ [15:47] does server have pcmcia supoprt ? [15:52] it should [15:52] it didn' even lite up my card [16:00] methods: Does it if you're running the -generic kernel? [16:00] i just installed i havn't touched anything [16:00] methods: Let me rephrase: [16:00] 2.6.22-14-server [16:00] methods: Do you have any reason to believe it's specific to the server edition? [16:00] nope [16:00] Ah. [16:01] just firured it might not have laptop stuff [16:01] It has pcmcia drivers, yes. [16:01] pcmciautils is even installed by default. [16:01] your right [16:01] but the card isn't even lit up [16:02] does ubuntu have a webdav server? [16:02] and if so what is it called? [16:03] apache? [16:04] sommer, thanks for the link. [16:05] am i missing something here? how would I use apache to set up a webdav server? does anyone have a link or something for me? [16:07] ok i found it [16:07] thanks joerlend [16:07] any advice ? [16:07] on how to test if this card can work ? [16:28] methods: what card is it? [16:53] mralphabet: u.s. robotics 10/100 [16:53] usr7901 [16:54] hm dmesg shows it was inserted and registered [16:54] but i see no activity lights and ifconfig doesn' tshow it [16:55] umm, is it plugged into the ethernet? [16:55] you mean into the network ? [16:56] it should still show up [16:56] in ifconfig -a [16:57] non of the pcmcia net modules seem to work [16:57] only has 10 too [16:59] methods: just to double check do you have pcmciautils installed? [16:59] yes [17:00] you might also try pcmcia-cs, it says deprecated so there's probably a replacement package (not sure if pcmciautils is the package) [17:00] your card is mentioned here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edgy-changes/2006-June/000422.html === dendrobates is now known as dendro-away === gamble6x is now known as gamble|fude [18:23] ivoks (or whoever) - re: this avahi debate.... I've seen various claims of avahi breaking other uses of .local (e.g. the vpn case), but I also see there have been efforts to automatically disable avahi if .local unicast dns is detected. are those not working? can we try to fix them? [18:27] That could work. [18:27] ....but I'd like to reiterate my point that avahi is not installed on ubuntu server. [18:28] Scenario: I'm in the bush. I've got nothing but a (charged) laptop and an Ubuntu Server CD. Question: How do I avahify this laptop? [18:28] Answers on my desk tomorrow morning, no less than 500 words. Class dismissed. [18:28] * soren calls it a day [18:29] whats avahi [18:36] methods: apt-cache show avahi-daemon [18:37] and see www.zeroconf.org/ [18:38] (and be careful about cntl-w when switching your fingers from emacs to pidgin -:( [18:48] anyone know a guide for 'kickstarting' ubuntu? I have it all set up I just don't know how to do the 'automation' part of it (like the kickstart file for red-hat).. anyone know what I'm trying to say? [18:48] kickstart ? [18:48] you want programs to start up ? [18:49] proprietarysucks: like preseeds? [18:49] I just want the install to be automated [18:49] proprietarysucks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KickstartCompatibility [18:50] as in, I write down the answers to the install questions in a file and direct the kernel to it [18:50] yes thanks [18:50] what is the little animal name for the current release [18:51] gibbon [18:51] thanks [18:59] can anyone tell me what the kernel option -- does ? [19:10] would anyone look at this http://pastebin.com/m408b8e2 and tell me why i can't get to port 993? i'm trying to setup email [19:11] proprietarysucks: what are you looking at? [19:12] the ubuntu server 7.10 pxeboot kernel appends [19:12] they all end with -- === gamble|fude is now known as gamble6x [19:14] CharlieSu: setup email with . . . [19:16] mralphabet: ? [19:16] mralphabet: i think the problem is that im' not listening on ip4 and only ipv6 [19:16] but i don't know how to change that [19:16] CharlieSu: what package? [19:17] mralphabet: imaps [19:17] courrier [19:17] on fiesty? gutsy? [19:18] dapper? [19:18] that wiki page you sent me doesn't apply to 710. also, it implies that most normal kickstart settings were compatible, yet none seem to be being applied. [19:18] 7.10 [19:19] mralphabet: also here is this http://pastebin.com/m2e4444d4 [19:19] and this [19:19] http://pastebin.com/m408b8e2 [19:19] might help [19:19] phunki.com is the domain.. i try telnet phunki.com 993 [19:20] have you looked at etc/courier/imapd? [19:21] mralphabet: i don't see anything about ip4 or ip6 in that file [19:23] CharlieSu: do you have an ADDRESS: line in it? [19:24] or could you pastebin etc/courier/imapd file? [19:24] SSLADDRESS=0 [19:24] YEAH [19:26] http://pastebin.com/m755de3a9 [19:27] # [19:27] # Address to listen on, can be set to a single IP address. [19:27] # [19:27] # [19:27] # [19:27] # ADDRESS=127.0.0.1 [19:27] # [19:27] # [19:27] ADDRESS=0 [19:27] mralphabet: please stop that [19:27] that bad? [19:28] doesn't 0 mean everything? [19:28] CharlieSu: set that to an IP address you want to listen to and see if your netstat changes [19:30] CharlieSu: if that doesn't work, I would suggest finding somebody who is more familiar with courier or possibly the courier channels (if there are any) [19:30] is that ip address really used to select which interface to listen on? [19:30] mralphabet: it did [19:30] tcp 0 0 65.90.217.148:993 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - [19:30] and does it answer now? [19:30] BUT... when i do 'telnet phunki.com 993' no answer [19:31] look at iptables [19:31] http://pastebin.com/m2e4444d4 [19:37] CharlieSu: well, I don't see imaps (port 993) on there with the other ports allowed in.... [19:38] nealmcb: ok.. do i need to do something similar to this 'PAROLE tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:pop3' ? [19:39] I would guess so - with imaps rather than pop3 - but I don't fully follow that firewall scheme [19:39] what do you use to configure your firewall? [20:02] how do I set my default crontab -e editor ? [20:04] export EDITOR="" [20:04] osmosis: man crontab [20:05] "VISUAL" is also consulted === dendro-away is now known as dendrobates [20:24] i dont think pcmciautils supports this card [22:02] Do you know when the fixed firehol packet is going to gutsy? [22:04] folke: is it a security bug? [22:21] is there a way to get the host command (or some other similar command) to search according to nsswitch.conf? i.e. to do mdns queries (and in particular ip address queries via mdns)? [22:22] Burgundavia: Well, firehol wont work for bash31 i think? [22:23] folke: if it is not a security update and there is a simple patch that fixes that problem, it might be a target for an SRU [22:24] Burgundavia: Ah, I am an old debian user.. So I must RTFM about SRU :) [22:25] and SRU is a stable release update [22:25] like Ubuntu, we don't push new upstreams into stable versions of Ubuntu [22:25] this allows small patches to specific problems to be pushed into the stable version of Ubuntu [22:26] Burgundavia: Ah, I see.. Is it a special repo that I must add, or is those packet added to gutsy repos? [22:27] well, no SRU has yet happened for firehol, at least that I know of [22:27] do you have a bug #? [22:28] and a patch for the problem? [22:29] #78017, and I found that there was already a fix for this problem. [22:30] But I found the SRU on ubuntu wiki, so I will read up on it before I ask more silly questions :) [22:31] Burgundavia: Thanks for the help. [22:31] no worries [22:32] folke: it looks liek the SRU process is already underway [22:32] all that needs to happen is for you to show that the update doesn't break anything and fixes the bug and then it can go into -updates [22:33] Burgundavia: Ah, perfect.. I will try it out tomorrow at work.. [22:41] but 78017 [22:41] bug 78017 [22:41]