[08:42] <tjaalton> sweet, openchrome no longer conflicts with via/unichrome
[09:06] <bryce> nice
[09:07] <bryce> tjaalton: btw, I've written up a couple more specs:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/MonitorsDatabaseOnline and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/AutodetectMonitorFrequency
[09:07] <bryce> please feel free to update either
[09:11] <seb128> bryce: is there any radeonhd or fglrx package working on hardy somewhere?
[09:11] <tjaalton> seb128: see my post on ubuntu-devel
[09:11] <seb128> tjaalton: which one?
[09:11] <bryce> not yet, although timo's l-r-m package could be used for fglrx
[09:11] <tjaalton> seb128: "new l-r-m for testing"
[09:12] <tjaalton> Nov 13
[09:12] <seb128> tjaalton: thanks
[09:13] <tjaalton> seb128: feedback welcome :)
[09:13] <tjaalton> maybe I should just upload that
[09:13] <seb128> ok, will try those ;-)
[09:13] <tjaalton> still no reply from kernel-team
[09:14] <bryce> don't hold your breath
[09:14] <tjaalton> seb128: note that it doesn't ship ATI libGL anymore, which makes it installable with -ati :)
[09:15] <tjaalton> seb128: I've already got one confirmation that it works just as fine, but compiz still fails. Maybe you can get it running :)
[09:15] <tjaalton> bryce: oh, they are on vacation?-)
[09:16] <bryce> uh, more like under-manned
[09:16] <tjaalton> yeah
[09:17] <bryce> btw, want to become a kernel maintainer for ubuntu?
[09:17] <tjaalton> hehe
[09:17] <bryce> :-)
[09:17] <tjaalton> I'm probably not qualified for the task ;)
[09:17] <bryce> rats, no hiring bonus for me ;-)
[09:18] <tjaalton> ah, you have those :)
[09:19] <bryce> yeah I plan on getting you hired on for something! ;-)
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[09:20] <tjaalton> heh :)
[09:20] <bryce> want to be a new marketing manager?  Operations Manager? hrm...
[09:21] <pwnguin> open-gl conman / recruiter ;)
[09:21] <bryce> do you know taiwaneese?
[09:21] <tjaalton> aren't you desperate :P
[09:21] <pwnguin> does taiwan speak taiwaneese?
[09:21] <bryce> pwnguin, maybe you do?
[09:22] <pwnguin> im pretty sure they speak chinese, given the history
[09:22] <bryce> ahhhh
[09:22] <bryce> need a job?
[09:22] <pwnguin> i dont speak chinese
[09:22] <tjaalton> at UDS I noticed to my dismay that even my english had suffered a lot :)
[09:24]  * pwnguin just noticed a few demoscene packages
[09:24] <pwnguin> didnt realize sesse was a DD
[09:25] <pwnguin> bryce: if you're looking for a hiring bonus, this guy might fit the desktop developer role: https://edge.launchpad.net/~sesse
[09:26] <tjaalton> maintains nfs-utils in debian ;)
[09:26] <pwnguin> and lots of others
[09:27] <pwnguin> wrote several openGL apps
[09:27] <pwnguin> apps that won demoparties
[09:27] <tjaalton> oh
[09:27] <tjaalton> that part I didn't know
[09:27] <pwnguin> apt-get install amoeba
[09:27] <bryce> hmm, cool.  although there's only 3 open bugs related to him in LP
[09:28] <pwnguin> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=sesse@debian.org
[09:28] <pwnguin> there ya go ;)
[09:28] <bryce> ahh, nice
[09:30] <bryce> yeah, I've tried to get alex and cworth for the desktop position, but alex went to amd, and cworth isn't replying (guess he's happy at RH).
[09:31] <pwnguin> these are just names to me
[09:31] <pwnguin> are many rh engineers DDs?
[09:31] <seb128_> bryce, tjaalton: is there any known intel bug which means compiz shadows being buggy on hardy?
[09:32] <bryce> no idea, but cworth is pretty focused on cairo development; I don't think he does much packaging
[09:32] <tjaalton> seb128: not that I remember
[09:32] <bryce> seb128, hrm; only one I know of was that one we took care of around the developer sprint last time
[09:35] <tjaalton> seb128: I have i945 that works just fine
[09:38] <tjaalton> bryce: is the MonitorDatabase.... meant for custom settings only, and normally rely on autodetection?
[09:39] <bryce> yup
[09:39] <bryce> (so I expect it is going to be needed extremely rarely)
[09:41] <tjaalton> bryce: did I mention that the latest xorg-server has a newer version of patch 120? I tried it with the i945 and it didn't crash or pose any other problems, so I thought it's safer to keep for -ati users for now.. and evaluate dropping it later?
[09:43] <bryce> yeah you mentioned that.  It sounds like a good idea to keep it
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #164290 in xorg (main) "nvidia driver selects non-existing CRT monitor as default instead of the DFP on the laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164290
[10:06] <bryce> night
[10:10] <tjaalton> night
[10:25] <ubotu> New bug: #164295 in xorg (main) "external monitor doesn't "work" on laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164295
[14:47] <tjaalton> seb128: btw, did the fglrx update work?
[14:48] <seb128> tjaalton: I'll try in a minute
[14:48] <tjaalton> ah, no hurry
[15:02] <seb128> tjaalton: works fine
[15:02] <seb128> I've just installed fglrx
[15:02] <seb128> it's still unusable slooooooow but that was already the case in gutsy
[15:02]  * seb128 kicks the radeonhd support on linux
[15:03] <seb128> should try the radeonhd driver again
[15:03] <tjaalton> seb128: what card do you have?
[15:04] <seb128> radeon 2400 something
[15:04] <seb128> radon 2400 hd I think
[15:05] <tjaalton> hmm, that's r6xx
[15:05] <seb128> radeon 2400 hd I think
[15:05] <seb128> rather
[15:05] <seb128> yes
[15:06] <seb128> workspaces or applications switching is alright but scrolling is not, it's really laggy
[15:10] <tjaalton> atombios support is being merged in -ati, so I'm not sure if radeonhd is another avivo or not :)
[15:11] <tjaalton> on http://planet.freedesktop.org/ there are a couple of articles explaining the recent changes
[15:12] <tjaalton> hopefully we'll have proper 2D at least for r5xx when hardy releases
[15:15] <ubotu> New bug: #163292 in xorg (main) "*buntu runs as root w/ the command "sudo startx"" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163292
[18:17] <ScislaC> just curious, are there plans for xorg-driver-fglrx for the Hardy's xserver in the near future?
[18:17] <tjaalton> yes
[18:17] <tjaalton> http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~tepsipakki/lrm
[18:19] <ScislaC> tjaalton: I am gonna snag those :) thanks
[19:33] <ScislaC> tjaalton: is the overlay in the bottom right corner to be expected? (regarding your fglrx stuff)
[19:34] <tjaalton> ScislaC: don't know, since I can't test it :)
[19:35] <tjaalton> the driver is known to be buggy, but it's the best you can get for now..
[19:35] <tjaalton> since older versions don't work with the newer xserver
[19:37] <ScislaC> tjaalton: well... I can test for you ;)  That was part of my motivation of getting a working fglrx, to help bryce with triaging bugs for the newer xserver (the -ati driver isn't too friendly with my video card)
[19:38] <bryce> tjaalton: ScislaC is one of my long time Inkscape buddies and a kick ass artist
[19:39] <bryce> he also did a lot of tire kicking on fglrx packages I did during gutsy
[19:41] <ScislaC> heya bryce :)
[19:41] <ScislaC> brb
[19:47] <tjaalton> oh, ok :)
[19:47] <tjaalton> that's good
[20:08] <bryce> hi guys - here's the specs I've put in for Hardy:
[20:08] <bryce> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/autoconfigure-monitor-frequency
[20:08] <bryce> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/monitor-settings-database-online
[20:08] <bryce> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardy-hardware-detection (this one is actually Pitti's but there's some input hotplug stuff captured there too)
[20:09] <bryce> A fourth spec I'll work on this afternoon will be dealing with X testing infrastructure
[20:09] <bryce> comments/corrections on any of the above would be most appreciated
[21:25] <ubotu> New bug: #164411 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[Gutsy] X crashes after using xrandr through a game [i915]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164411