[00:00] darn i found an l400 in my shop but its missing screen :P [00:00] well its got a vga port on the back. [00:01] Well I can look into the BIOS update, but I don't have a floppy drive for this. I know there is a way to hack it onto a USB drive though. [00:01] But even then he mentions a fix w/o the need to update [00:01] So I guess I can try that, I think it was a kernel option during bootup [00:03] now I have been having a completely seperate issue. I cannot get tzdata to configure properly and as such its preventing me from installing applications as dpkg needs ot [00:04] I have tried purging and reinstalling, but when I reinstall it fails b/c of tzdata being configured incorrectly. [00:04] but I just uninstalled it [00:04] But thats something I am working on on my own, unless this a known issue with a quick fix [00:06] ok well thanks for the help, I am going to go and eat some dinner [00:50] hi [01:03] hi - I have xubuntu on an old pc - it freezes randomly [01:03] i think it's a hw problem, but how can I detect what it is... [01:03] ? [01:10] I'm finding that my fresh install of xubuntu isn't shutting down on my dell laptop [01:11] I had similar problems on a previous install with regular ubuntu (gnome) both 7.10 [01:11] i didn't find a whole lot googling around... so I wonder if any of you had any ideas? [01:27] zach__: see the top of 'dmesg | less' [01:27] zach__: is there anything about disabling acpi? [01:28] hi i'm having some boot problems [01:28] it's only the second or third time i've rebooted since installing [01:28] and it hangs on "starting up" [01:28] i grepped for acpi... enabled [01:28] goes through the whole splash screen, progress bar fills up, but then it sits forever on "starting up..." [01:29] yellowbox, sounds like we both need a verbose startup/shutdown [01:29] i tried the boot menu and the non-quiet one [01:29] didnt see anything funky [01:29] not that i'd know [01:30] but it does seem to ask for a login on a command line before it all goes away and back to "starting up" forever [01:31] of course i'm not a quick enough typer to get it in before it disappears [01:31] google show anything? [01:31] i searched all over the freakin net for an answer [01:31] ergo, here i am [01:31] noob and all [01:31] i'm moderately techie but new to linux [01:32] yeah I'm in a similar boat [01:32] I know a bit of linux but not everything so any problem I see... google and irc [01:33] i booted from the livecd and am wading through the grub folder to figure out what any of it means and if any of it's f'ed up [01:33] but near as i can tell, nothing's corrupted or too weird [01:33] wtf? [01:33] will anyone take pity? [01:33] the linux gods are cruel [01:34] i've been smote many times [01:35] i should never have shut it down in the first place, but i just wanted to install a new fan [01:35] grrr [01:35] is there anyone here answering or is the room afk [01:36] have you tried a failsafe boot? [01:36] different kernel. etc etc. [01:37] a who? [01:37] it worked once or twice before, i swear [01:38] when you're just starting boot whatever boot manager grub will allow you to try a different boot setup [01:38] oh i tried the command line [01:38] it's there so that ideally you can always boot at the very least... an older kernel and config to get the box up [01:38] worked fine [01:38] but you said you didn't have time to input your login info? [01:39] no, thats on a standard boot [01:39] hmmm [01:39] it says Yellowbox Login: for a few secs before disappearing [01:39] Yellowbox being the name of the computer, obviously === zach__ is now known as zach_ [01:40] what's recovery mode> === zach_ is now known as _zach_ [01:40] or, alternatively, how do i boot teh gui from teh command line once i get there [01:41] <_zach_> i used to know that command... [01:41] <_zach_> i think for gnome it's gdm [01:41] <_zach_> for xfce... [01:41] <_zach_> i'll ask google [01:42] using what search term [01:42] i tried [01:42] <_zach_> maybe if you startx it'll start the display manager too... [01:43] <_zach_> this is just a stab in the dark [01:43] it says, in part, "screens found, but none have a usable configuration" [01:44] <_zach_> maybe x is misconfigured? [01:45] ooh, ya know what? i hit gdm and it did the exact same behavior that i see on my faulty startup [01:45] flashed away three times, gave me british pound signs across the top of the screen, and now only shows the first line on the command line screen and its frozen [01:46] <_zach_> agh [01:46] <_zach_> i'd say try dmesg... but it froze [01:46] yeah rebooting back to the command line [01:46] <_zach_> maybe it's a video card issue [01:46] boo humbug [01:46] can anyone please tell me what the weather applet is in xfce since I only have a ubuntu machine around me right now, it is the one in the add applets to panel [01:47] <_zach_> bad driver or something [01:47] never had a problem before [01:47] what it is called [01:48] <_zach_> slliness, try xfce4-weather-plugin. [01:48] <_zach_> that's the package at least [01:49] <_zach_> yellowbox, is this a fresh xubuntu install or an upgrade to gusty? [01:49] _zach_, I dont have a xfce environment with me right now [01:49] oh [01:49] fresh gutsy [01:49] this puppy's only a couple weeks old [01:49] _zach_, since xfce uses a bit of gnome do you think I could install this in gnome [01:49] ? [01:50] <_zach_> slliness, worth a shot [01:50] <_zach_> yellowbox, do you have an ati card? [01:50] tis a very good applet was only wrong once in a year [01:50] i have no card [01:51] it's a via epia board [01:51] <_zach_> yellowbox, uhhhhh onboard? [01:51] <_zach_> yellowbox, so what's it using for video? [01:51] the video out on the back panel [01:51] <_zach_> yellowbox, lspci and look for something involving video [01:52] vga compatible controller [01:52] _zach_, thanks :) [01:52] via tech vt8623 apollo cle266 integrated castlerock [01:52] someone using eclipse here for PHP-development ? [01:52] i swear it worked fine before i rebooted [01:53] <_zach_> yellowbox, i'm getting the feeling you need to fix the xorg.conf... maybe use dpkg to build a new default? i'm not sure [01:54] <_zach_> MatBoy, I've run eclipse for java if that makes a difference [01:54] _zach_, it's developed for that [01:54] nah let me try it [01:54] I still love dreamweaver :P [01:55] so does xubuntu use gdm as the login/desktop? [01:55] <_zach_> xfce is the window manager [01:55] <_zach_> so I want to say no [01:55] <_zach_> but I could be wrong [01:56] <_zach_> jk [01:56] <_zach_> it does [01:56] <_zach_> i just went to configure the login window [01:56] so its gdm that's freaking out on me [01:56] <_zach_> "/usr/sbin/gdmsetup" [01:56] <_zach_> could very well be [01:57] <_zach_> but x wasn't starting because it said something wasn't configured [01:57] <_zach_> maybe see if there's a log or some way to boot verbose to keep track of things [01:58] right, startx says "(EE) via(0): no valid modes found" [01:58] then it says no usable screens found [02:00] come on, google, feeeeeed meeeeee [02:01] <_zach_> little shop of horrors... heh [02:12] zach, i love you [02:12] you are the mackdaddy [02:12] xorg.conf was indeed f'ed up [02:13] google led me to "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" [02:13] and that beautiful baby got me my yellowbox back [02:13] much love, zach [02:14] may the linux gods smile upon you [02:15] <_zach_> now maybe my shutdown will function :-\ [02:16] <_zach_> yellowbox, linux troubleshooting is just a lot of deductive reasoning [02:16] i didnt even know what startx was/is [02:16] <_zach_> now you do [02:16] now i do [02:16] <_zach_> oh two little pointers [02:16] please [02:16] <_zach_> if you ever need to restart your window manager [02:16] <_zach_> ctrl + alt + backspace [02:16] <_zach_> that's one i shouldve learned earlier than I did [02:17] interesting [02:17] <_zach_> and it's nice to go into your display manager and set a keyboard shortcut for a terminal window [02:17] <_zach_> it can make life a lot easier when you're running around command line a lot [02:17] which i try not to do [02:17] but thanks [02:17] <_zach_> sometimes its unavoidable [02:17] <_zach_> and a lot of times... it's more powerful [02:18] thanks for the help, champ [02:18] now its time to pull the head off it and let my server fly while i jet home for thanksgiving [02:18] peace out, linux homies [02:41] wwhat shirt do I wear? [02:41] wrong window [02:43] <_zach_> the one with a penguin on it [02:54] hello [02:55] <_zach_> yo [02:55] so could someone here help me out a little [02:58] <_zach_> problem? [03:02] ummm kinda, it's more that i have xubuntu installed on my laptop, and it seems to take forever to boot up, it just sits at a black screen for about 10minutes and then starts the xserver at the log on screen [03:03] i don't know enough about xubuntu/ubuntu to know wether or not this is just the nature of the program or there is something going on that's not supposed to be [03:03] <_zach_> i'd think 10 minutes is a bit long [03:04] <_zach_> I'm personally having trouble on my laptop with a shutdown that either takes too long or doesn't shut down [03:04] <_zach_> i haven't given it long enough to figure out if it's just slow [03:04] <_zach_> blackscreen's on me and then I just say screw it and power down manually [03:05] ah so you give it the finger [03:05] lol [03:09] <_zach_> pretty much [03:09] <_zach_> i'd like to get a verbose readout of the shutdown/startup [03:09] _zach_, what's your shutdown problem? [03:09] <_zach_> but i can't seem to figure it out [03:09] <_zach_> kwhk: it just doesn't [03:10] <_zach_> it goes to a black screen and sits there [03:10] <_zach_> i've never given it longer than a minute or 2 before powering down manually tho [03:10] _zach_, do u see the splash page? [03:10] !restricted [03:10] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [03:12] <_zach_> kwhk, see I turned off the splash in grub... but now there's just nothing [03:12] playing movies on a p2 400mhz with no choppiness [03:12] xvids even [03:13] <_zach_> pussfeller, you serious? [03:13] _zach_, previously i also need to push the power button to turn it off after seeing the splash screen sitting there. [03:14] _azch_, then some gurus here told me ways to resolve it. [03:14] yeah zach [03:15] its got a mx400 in it tho, that helps [03:15] _zach_, previously i had acpi=off. they told me to change it to acpi=force. [03:15] they might be the old divx [03:15] but still [03:15] its only got 128 ram :( [03:17] <_zach_> kwhk, in grub? [03:18] <_zach_> pussfeller, if it's playing vids with those specs i see no reason for a ": (" i'd expect more ":-O" [03:19] _zach_, yes, in /boot/grub/menu.lst [03:21] <_zach_> kwhk, i searched thru it and acpi isn't in there even for acpi=off [03:21] <_zach_> kwhk, any specific locaton it should be in? [03:21] _zach_, another option is simply to remove the acpi=off. but it works after i changed it to "force" [03:22] on the "kernel" line. [03:23] <_zach_> next reboot we'll see [03:25] its pretty slow zach, other wise, even with xubuntu [03:25] but... it works [03:26] hello all [03:26] hi [03:29] <_zach_> "will now halt" and hangs [03:29] <_zach_> even after putting in acpi forced [03:30] hello all i am a less than 24 hrs old xubuntu user... need some help finding a good place to learn how to use the comand interface [03:30] :-P [03:31] <_zach_> google something along the lines of "bash cheat sheet" [03:31] cool thanks [03:31] <_zach_> there's one-page lists of THE most common commands [03:31] <_zach_> stuff you'll use pretty often [03:31] <_zach_> the rest you just kinda pick up here and there as needed [03:31] <_zach_> oh [03:31] <_zach_> one that you'll always use [03:31] <_zach_> "man" [03:31] <_zach_> opens manuals [03:32] <_zach_> for instance "man man" will open the manual on reading manuals [03:32] <_zach_> take it from there [03:32] last nite i spend 3 hrs triying to install flash player... it was not fun [03:33] <_zach_> oof [03:33] <_zach_> google will be your best friend [03:33] _zach_, sorry that it doesn't work for u. it works for me. [03:33] <_zach_> kwhk, i'll keep searching [03:34] i used a live cd of a old distro of ubuntu and it was easy because did all the installing for me [03:35] now i am using xubuntu installed and it is been an adventure [03:35] <_zach_> xubuntu is kinda minimalist [03:35] <_zach_> but ubuntu and xubuntu and debian all use apt [03:35] ok explain [03:35] <_zach_> apt-get install someprogram [03:36] so xubuntu is a small version [03:36] <_zach_> kinda [03:36] <_zach_> it uses a different window manager than the regular ubuntu [03:36] i was under the impresion it was only the desktop enviroment that change ... [03:36] <_zach_> so the thing that keeps track of windows and makes a start bar for you [03:37] <_zach_> wait I'm probably wrong [03:37] so i can use kde in xubuntu ? [03:37] <_zach_> i think xubuntu uses the gnome desktop manager... [03:37] xfce [03:37] <_zach_> i'm confusing myself [03:37] <_zach_> long story short [03:37] <_zach_> you can use gnome and kde and xfce all on the same box [03:38] <_zach_> you just have to install them [03:38] cool i want to lear that lol [03:38] <_zach_> "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" for kde I think [03:38] <_zach_> but that's like... a 250 meg install [03:39] so it will slow my old laptop ? [03:39] i am using a dell lattitude 750 mhz 512megs ram and is fery fast here with xubuntu [03:40] <_zach_> the bigger window managers can be kinda bloated [03:40] <_zach_> i'm using xubuntu on a dual core 1.7 ghz [03:40] nice [03:40] <_zach_> and I've known people to use xfce on much faster rigs merely because it's more lightweight [03:41] <_zach_> and i'd think xubuntu would aim towards a more lightweight program install as well... i think my regular ubuntu install came with more packages installed by default [03:41] <_zach_> average xubuntu user probably wants lighter weight [03:41] <_zach_> etc. etc. [03:41] yes i notice that [03:42] the ubuntu cd i was using had everything [03:43] so all this thing about debian ... fedora...mandriva etc etc are they all the same ? [03:44] <_zach_> ehhhhhh [03:44] <_zach_> new to linux entirely I presume then eh? [03:45] <_zach_> long story short... yes... but kinda [03:45] <_zach_> they all run the linux kernel [03:45] <_zach_> maintained by linus torvalds [03:45] yep i am a old mac user (pre mac/ intel ) [03:45] <_zach_> you're a distant cousin then :-P [03:45] <_zach_> macos is based off bsd I think [03:46] <_zach_> which split from the whole unix type thing a long time ago [03:46] the mac os x yes [03:46] <_zach_> linux unix bsd [03:46] <_zach_> it's a lot of info [03:46] <_zach_> i'd recommend trolling wikipedia [03:46] <_zach_> but each distro is different [03:46] <_zach_> they all have a linux kernel but the programs they run are different [03:47] but the basic stuff is the same no matter what flavor... right ? [03:47] <_zach_> pretty much [03:48] actualy the programs ar bacikly the same but have differnt versions or moded to work with out that flavor of linux was modded [03:48] <_zach_> you'd be able to run the same things on all [03:48] <_zach_> they just come with their own prepackaged/preconfigured [03:48] <_zach_> ubuntu is nice because it uses apt [03:48] <_zach_> which was developed for debian [03:48] apt ? [03:48] <_zach_> you just apt-get install and bam it's there [03:48] <_zach_> you can install programs real easy [03:48] + all its dependices [03:48] <_zach_> they're pre-built [03:49] <_zach_> dependencies are taken care of [03:49] <_zach_> you just say "oh I'd like to install foo and... bar" [03:49] <_zach_> "sudo apt-get install foo bar" [03:49] <_zach_> you now have foo and bar and they should just work [03:49] <_zach_> otherwise you'd have to compile source for it and its dependencies... etc. etc. [03:50] ok for example... i i am having some problems with xf media, it plays mpegs but no sound [03:50] mediubuntu.org?? [03:50] and cant play windows media files [03:50] and get w32codecs and libdvdcss [03:51] <_zach_> i've always been a fan of vlc [03:51] me too [03:51] so i can use vlc here ? [03:51] <_zach_> i use it for most video viewing [03:51] yes you can [03:51] <_zach_> it's not working on my computer right now [03:52] <_zach_> but it's a driver issue [03:52] sudo apt-get install wxvlc [03:52] <_zach_> ati is just SOOOOO MUCH FUN [03:52] love my nvidia fx series [03:52] <_zach_> *grumble* [03:52] hehehe [03:52] so if i copy and past that and go to terminal it will get it for me and do the install ? [03:52] yes [03:53] let me try brb [03:53] if you have the universe reposotary enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list [03:53] <_zach_> my install of xubuntu did out of the box [03:53] mine didnt [03:54] but then agine i am still running feisty [03:54] <_zach_> maybe it's because I installed over a prior install of ubuntu? [03:54] <_zach_> idk [03:54] <_zach_> i'm running gusty [03:54] <_zach_> for better or for worse [03:54] gutsy dont like my dvd burrnner [03:55] <_zach_> gusty don't like me [03:55] I don't like you [03:55] :P [03:56] * _zach_ cries [04:02] so if i use vlc it will fix the no sound in mpegs and will play wmf ? [04:03] <_zach_> assuming your sound works otherwise... and it was codec related before.... yes [04:03] ok downloading pkges [04:04] hey guys is this still relevant to 7.10? http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/30/1742258 [04:04] <_zach_> is that the hdparm thing? [04:04] <_zach_> hard drive clicking? [04:05] <_zach_> the same guy who wrote that article wrote a followup [04:05] <_zach_> i guess one person in the comments on digg was an ubuntu developer [04:05] <_zach_> turns out they default to not managing with laptop-mode-tools [04:06] <_zach_> so it's determined by your bios/acpi [04:06] <_zach_> basically... hardware defaults [04:06] <_zach_> i still have to manually type "sudo hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda" on every boot... I thought reconfiguring laptop-mode-tools would work but i still get clicks [04:07] brb [04:08] _zach_: well as I read further I highly doubt that affects me at all especially since I do that noatime thing in fstab [04:08] and always keep my laptop plugged in [04:09] *** [04:09] kwhk: %%% [04:11] <_zach_> ??? [04:11] _zach_: You have to pull the knob out to get it to start the other cycles. It won't start the Spin_Cycle until you close the lid, though. (lol) [04:11] <_zach_> oooooooooh [04:11] <_zach_> of course [04:11] sorry, fingers out of control :P [04:12] <_zach_> I just need to figure out how to configure Gentle_Cycle [04:15] Hello [04:18] Genelyk: wassup :D [04:19] Ola [04:19] español ?' [04:19] si, muy mal habla espanol [04:20] no importa yo tampoco hablo bien el ingles [04:20] <_zach_> one of these days i should learn spanish [04:21] uhmmm [04:24] back [04:24] this gerro sort of had network trouble (crappy rt wireless) [04:25] !spanish [04:25] Si busca ayuda en Español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá mas ayuda. [05:48] ... if i deleted my workspace switcher... how do i put it back on the panel? [05:48] Hello, I just installed xubuntu on a laptop and now I would like to try and make use of its ACPI support. I don't see a shutdown/suspend/hibernate button anywhere, the only one I can see is "quit" which just logs me otu. [05:48] ScreaminIke: right click on the panel, select add new item, and then its called "pager" I think [05:48] yeah, thats the one, pager [05:49] thx a ton. i guess i just can't read.... [05:49] np [06:56] <_zach_> okay... so I put acpi=force in grub and it rebooted successfully [06:56] <_zach_> then being the idiot I am... I decided to hit the bios and tinker [06:57] <_zach_> i found some setting involving power management for the hard drive decided I should turn it off [06:57] <_zach_> now it won't shut down proper [06:57] <_zach_> display hangs after saying "nework manager blah blah" [06:57] <_zach_> then i hear the hard drive disengage [06:57] <_zach_> never powers off [06:58] <_zach_> tried to turn the hard drive thing on... still no dice [07:19] Morning all. [07:21] where are the config files for mousepad stored? The recent files list is not being updated and I need to check the file permissions [07:40] <[chr0n0s]> any aplication/applet that wil give me multiple clocks(dif timezones) in xfce ? === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [13:33] Good morrow, all. [15:00] would anybody here be willing to help me figure out why my wireless card isn't working? I've tried the howtos and faqs and have come up somewhat short [15:01] as it is I have an rt61 pci card which I can see in iwconfig and ipconfig and which seems to have found my access point, but I can't get any way for it to actually network with that access point [15:02] a somewhat related issue is that I can't figure out how to disable my wired network without just unplugging it [15:07] shadebug, are you working with your nics via network manager? [15:08] Oh, and what version of (X)ubuntu are you running? [15:09] I'm working through whatever i get when I go applications -> system -> network [15:09] and 7.10 [15:10] from oct 27 says the iso [15:10] ahhh, you should be seeing an icon near the clock that may look like two monitors [15:10] Do you see that, shadebug? [15:10] nm-applet? [15:10] indeed, yes [15:11] I have two of those for some reason... [15:11] I'm sure I didn't before [15:11] weird [15:11] Hmmm... [15:11] either way, yes [15:11] indeed [15:11] the menu from it gives me two tickboxes and an about [15:11] Does each of them say different things when you hover the mouse over them? [15:11] hover not click [15:12] nah, both say wired network [15:12] but the one of the tickboxes in both is enable wireless [15:12] And I assume you are plugged in now? [15:12] the other is enable network [15:12] That is correct [15:12] I am, but I'm doing this from a different computer, so i can unplug [15:13] when I disable network on one the other one does too, so i assume they're just the same thing [15:13] How about restart the machine and see if your nm-applets reduce to 1 instance [15:13] lazy :D [15:13] Tell me when you are back up. [15:13] gissa sec then [15:13] I am not asking [15:13] ;) [15:13] I'll unplug to see if automagic decides to work too [15:14] Well, it may not since you have two instances...that is why I suggest the restart. [15:14] the wired network works beautifully [15:15] As it should, the wireless can be tricky at times [15:16] yeah, especially since I have no antenna on the card, though the router is a foot away, so that shouldn't be a problem [15:17] ok, back up [15:17] pidgin is failing to connect [15:17] I have two instances of nm-applet [15:17] both disconnected [15:17] which makes sense since i unplugged it [15:18] pinged the router, network is unreachable [15:20] Okay, now right click on one of them and see if wireless is checked [15:21] yep, wireless and networking are checked, connection information is greyed out [15:21] If it is checked, left click on it and see if you have a listing of wireless networks [15:22] just unchecks it [15:22] though the two nm-applets appear to uncheck wireless independently of each other [15:22] hmmm...I think we need to get that solved first [15:23] wait! [15:23] you meant left click on the icon [15:23] yeah [15:23] :) [15:23] it is showing my AP! [15:23] * shadebug clicks [15:23] okay...click on it [15:23] I have 2 nm-applets racing to connect it [15:23] lol [15:24] they are swirling blue stuff [15:24] that is good so far [15:24] is there not a console for this? fretting is much easier with lots of unintelligible text flying across the screen [15:24] damnit [15:24] disconnected icon again [15:25] and now it no longer shows my AP [15:25] Okay, lets first get rid of the duped nm-applet [15:25] though connection information is no longer greyed out [15:26] even if all its IPs show 0.0.0.0 [15:26] ok, let's do that [15:26] ps aux [15:26] whoops [15:26] wrong keyboard [15:26] go to System->Preferences->Sessons [15:27] Look for the tab that says "Startup Programs" [15:28] would applications -> settings -> sessions and startup settings work too? [15:29] I'm assuming not because that has bugger all options in it [15:30] Umm...I think that is it [15:30] lol [15:30] hmmm [15:30] * Pres-Gas is on ubuntu today not xubuntu [15:30] ahh [15:30] could it be in the xfce settings manager? [15:31] well that gives me the same as before, arse [15:32] sessions and startup here has a general tab and an advanced tab. general has display chooser on login, autosave session, prompt on logout, hibernate button and suspend button. Advanced has Launch gnome services, launch kde services and manage remote applications [15:33] OKay then, here is what we do. [15:33] ps ax|grep nm-applet [15:33] kill one of the two processes you see. [15:34] Restart the machine and make sure to check the box that says to save current session. [15:34] the one that just says --sm-disable or the one with a whole load of options? [15:34] ooooooh [15:34] rattle off all the options [15:35] --sm-config-prefix /nm-applet-mp9pTRG/ --sm cli... I need horizontal scroll on this terminal [15:37] * shadebug greps it instead of just ps auxing [15:37] ok, --sm-client-id [insert whole load of numbers here] --screen 0 [15:38] I want to be able to use utf-8 in Terminal, and I installed luit; but it seem to me cleaner solution would be to change my locale to an utf-8 one, if that would do the job [15:38] would that work? and if yes how? [15:38] shadebug, I would kill that one. I have always had just the --sm-disable one [15:38] Pres-Gas: I can live with that [15:39] shadebug, make sure to save the session when restarting. then lessee where we are at from there. [15:39] session saved [15:40] I'm going for a reboot, cos they're fun [15:40] indeed [15:41] people must think I'm so hardcore with two keyboards on my lap [15:41] bwahahahaha [15:41] shadebug, you're from #xkcd? [15:41] * shadebug looks at the 3 instances of nm-applet in his dock [15:42] shadebug: yep, there aren't many other shadebugs around [15:42] Ummm...that ain't right [15:42] the same two as before and one with no options [15:43] zombie_monkey: i would help you with your terminal problem but my solution would be to use xterm and just enable utf-8, but i have a feeling that's not the ubuntu way [15:45] zombie_monkey: you should have utf8 by default, unless you changed your locale [15:46] I chose "no localisation" during installation [15:47] what if I just killall nm-applet and see what happens when i restart that session... [15:47] * shadebug does that [15:47] I didn't picka localization ebcause I couldn't find out what it's for [15:47] Keep me postal on that, shadebug [15:47] but apparently that means no utf-8 natively? [15:47] righty-ho [15:48] i'm confused :) [15:48] zombie_monkey: what do you get when you type 'echo $LANG' in terminal? [15:50] I have 3 again, though now two of them have many options and one just has --sem-disable [15:50] TheSheep: C [15:52] * shadebug considers uninstalling nm-applet [15:52] zombie_monkey: ok, on the login screen, click on 'language' and select US English or something [15:52] would that change anything important or cause [15:53] problems for vim for example? [15:53] zombie_monkey: should be no problems for programs that are well written [15:54] zombie_monkey: vim supports utf8 just fine [15:54] ok, i'll try [15:56] I only get "Last Language" and "System default" as options, I suppose I need to install somethign from System -> Language support [15:59] wow, that's a lot of useless stuff that was downloaded. and wtf, i don't even have openoffice installed... [15:59] oh, it downloaded openoffice [15:59] and spelling dictionaries for english [16:01] oh, it's generating locales now. so that should work, but that's a lot of useless utff that was installed. there really should be a language-independent utf-8 enable locale... [16:02] I'm popping out for a bit, but feel free to let me know if anybody has any ideas as to my wifi/nm-applet issues [16:06] well the good news is utf-8 works, the bad news is my toolbar is completely messed up and so are other settings [16:06] but nothing really bad [16:10] hm, well the alt combinations in finch don't work [16:10] oh, they work, it just crashed [16:11] %) [16:12] zombie_monkey: ubuntu uses utf8 by default, so everything is tested... [16:14] yes, it seems the only problem is all program launchers got deleted [16:30] i logged in with the old locale and some panel items are still here and otehrs are missing. so I'd advise you to be more careful about changing locales [16:30] I still can't figure out how to add a quit button and I only use ctrl-alt-backspace [16:31] zombie_monkey: 'system action buttons' the plugin is called [16:31] and firefox's quick serach thing doesn't work [16:31] zombie_monkey: you also have it in the menu [16:31] no, it closes the panel [16:32] all panels actually [16:32] but nothing else [16:32] zombie_monkey: only if it wasn't started with xfce4-session [16:32] zombie_monkey: is this a xubuntu install at all? [16:32] of course it is [16:33] what else ? [16:33] and you didn't do strange things with the X session files? [16:33] I've done nothing of teh sort [16:33] zombie_monkey: this is gutsy? [16:33] yes [16:34] * TheSheep scratches his head [16:35] i might just reinstall [16:35] i guess... [16:38] that'd be 'the windows way' [16:38] zombie_monkey: what if you created a new user? [16:38] indeed, but it's obviously a bug so... [16:38] zombie_monkey: does it have all those problems too? [16:39] zombie_monkey: you can also change the global default locale in the system->language settings menu [16:39] language support [16:41] ok, i"ll try witha new user [16:41] and I changed the gloabl default in system -> langauage support, let's see what happens. butI don't suppose this will bring bakc lost menu items... [16:42] em, panle items === daurnimas is now known as zz_daurnimas [16:44] well firefox's quick search now works, let's see what happens witha new user [16:47] well the quit button still sin't working with a new user [16:49] I think it's not launching teh same program? [16:49] zombie_monkey: what about the 'quit' in menu? [16:49] what command should it execute, the quit button [16:50] same [16:50] zombie_monkey: xfce4-panel -q [16:50] actually no, now the one in the menu does nothing [16:52] well I added a launcher for "xfce-panel -q" and I get "no such file ro directory, what path should I add? [16:52] also "bash: xfce-panel: command not found" [16:54] and wlan0 is missing from ifconfig and lsmod, but ndiswrapper is still running... [16:54] zombie_monkey: xfce4-panel [16:54] oh ok [16:54] zombie_monkey: note the 4 [16:55] well that's what it does, it closes the panels, and does nothing else [16:55] with a 4 [16:55] zombie_monkey: looks like you don't have the session running for some reason, but I can't guess why [16:55] zombie_monkey: you logged in normally, using gdm, right? [16:56] yes [16:56] well I don't knwo waht it's called [16:56] the normal login screen [16:56] yes, it's gdm [16:57] I'm baffled [17:01]