| === johnny__ is now known as johnny_ | ||
| diskjockey | hey all | 05:49 |
|---|---|---|
| LaserJock | hi | 05:49 |
| diskjockey | I can't seem to change the login screen of my thin clients. (System -> administration -> login screen was of any help). any ideas ? | 05:50 |
| diskjockey | btw I was wondering if anyone has deployed a production server of edubuntu gutsy yet ? | 05:51 |
| diskjockey | anyone awake ? | 05:53 |
| diskjockey | LaserJock: how goes ? | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | I"m awake | 05:53 |
| LaserJock | a bit busy though | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | there are lots of production servers running edubuntu gutsy | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | although I don't know that anybody in here currently is | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | since it's kind of a bad time of day | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | the login screen for LTSP is LDM | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | not GDM which is what's used on the server itself, and what you're looking at when you go into the System menu | 05:55 |
| diskjockey | u know what for a half sleepy guy u rock | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | diskjockey: there is a LDM section in the Edubuntu Handbook | 06:00 |
| LaserJock | if you're on an Edubuntu gutsy machine go to System -> Help & Support -> Edubuntu Handbook (on the left bar) | 06:01 |
| diskjockey | LaserJock: just doing that. I'll let u know if I succeed fail | 06:02 |
| LaserJock | I don't know if it'll help you but that's the best I've got | 06:02 |
| diskjockey | dont worry u still rock | 06:03 |
| diskjockey | it seems LDM was not installed (and it doesn't come out of the box installed) so yeah . just aptgetting it | 06:13 |
| diskjockey | I hope I find my way from here on but yeah thanx agin | 06:13 |
| diskjockey | again* | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | diskjockey: how did you install Edubuntu? | 06:19 |
| diskjockey | CD | 06:26 |
| diskjockey | then apt-get updated it ofcourse. anything wrong with that ? | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | diskjockey: what CD? | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | and what install option? | 06:30 |
| diskjockey | edubuntu sever CD | 06:35 |
| LaserJock | hmm | 06:36 |
| diskjockey | install options ? there were not any. If I rememvber correctlyu | 06:36 |
| diskjockey | what are u thinking ? | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | when you boot initially | 06:36 |
| LaserJock | there should be several options | 06:36 |
| diskjockey | no . no options | 06:36 |
| diskjockey | options like what. U mean the ncurses type of options etc.. | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | at the very beginning | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | when you boot it | 06:37 |
| diskjockey | I did choose the ltsp build option | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | ok | 06:37 |
| diskjockey | no there are no options ( only chose install edubuntu) | 06:37 |
| diskjockey | what are ur concerns ? | 06:37 |
| LaserJock | well, there's install workstation | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | install command line system | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | and a few others | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | if you did the LTSP install you should have LDM | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I guess if it works it works | 06:39 |
| diskjockey | anyway I dont have it. but yeah I just did apt-get it | 06:39 |
| diskjockey | anyway things are sorted | 06:39 |
| diskjockey | I only needed to edit the default file (of pxe to remove splash option to the kernel) | 06:40 |
| diskjockey | hey one more thing | 06:40 |
| diskjockey | when I restart gdm. the X crashes on me ? | 06:40 |
| diskjockey | is that normal ? | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | yep | 06:40 |
| diskjockey | huh ? | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | gdm is what starts X | 06:40 |
| LaserJock | it spawns the process and runs stuff | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | so restarting gdm is a way of killing X | 06:41 |
| diskjockey | but it doesn't show up even after I wait 10 minutes ( I thought restart meant restart) | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | oh, it should restart | 06:41 |
| LaserJock | and come back up | 06:41 |
| diskjockey | hmm. it doesnt on my side | 06:42 |
| diskjockey | any way I hope in few days there will be a patch for that as well. | 06:42 |
| LaserJock | did you hit Ctrl-Alt-F7 ? | 06:42 |
| diskjockey | no. just /etc/init.d/gdm restart on the cmd line while in X | 06:43 |
| LaserJock | well, you might try restarting the computer to see if you get X back | 06:44 |
| diskjockey | yeah restarting does return the X | 06:45 |
| diskjockey | LaserJock I need to restart the GDM so maybe I'll see u later some. thanx for all the help though | 06:45 |
| LaserJock | k | 06:45 |
| diskjockey | cya around thanx | 06:45 |
| === LaserJock is now known as LaserRock | ||
| === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd | ||
| RichEd | hello laser?ock | 07:25 |
| docente | Hi! | 10:30 |
| docente | can anyone help me about thin client and x11vnc configuration? | 10:31 |
| tsurc | what problem you having, I'm no expert but I have had it working before. | 10:36 |
| docente | the clients in thin clien manager won't connect via X11vnc, it say that the x11vnc is not installed (false) | 10:37 |
| tsurc | docente: what version of edubuntu are you using... gutsy? | 10:37 |
| docente | there is no much info on this, maybe it's a bug in 7.10 release? | 10:38 |
| docente | yes | 10:38 |
| tsurc | docente: have you run ltsp-update-image? | 10:38 |
| docente | yes, I've read tons of documentation, but no luck | 10:39 |
| tsurc | docente: to be honest I got my test box working by following https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients | 10:40 |
| docente | yes, I know that doc, but not working for me | 10:41 |
| docente | when I put mv K99rc.local S99rc.local, there is an error: no such file or directory | 10:42 |
| tsurc | The first time I tried I had a typo, the second time I forgot to chroot into /opt/ltsp | 10:43 |
| docente | cannot stat `K99rc.local': No such file or directory | 10:43 |
| tsurc | try sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp, then rebuilding the ltsp root | 10:43 |
| tsurc | my install had K99rc.local, failing that.. | 10:44 |
| docente | rebuilding ltsp root? How? | 10:45 |
| tsurc | try creating the file and adding the line from the wiki page | 10:45 |
| tsurc | er bare with me... | 10:46 |
| tsurc | sudo ltsp-build-client | 10:46 |
| docente | ok, work in progress... | 10:46 |
| tsurc | might take a while. If you drink tea now would be a good time to put the kettle on | 10:47 |
| docente | yes, thank you in any case | 10:48 |
| tsurc | ;-) | 10:49 |
| docente | the espresso coffee is very fast ;-) | 10:49 |
| tsurc | Coke or Water for me, although I'm thinking of taking up coffee | 10:51 |
| tsurc | docente: do you know anything about IPTables | 10:52 |
| docente | where you come from? | 10:52 |
| tsurc | Skegness, Uk | 10:52 |
| tsurc | YOU? | 10:52 |
| tsurc | oh sorry.... you? | 10:52 |
| docente | not much, something about NAT, Latina IT | 10:52 |
| docente | the clients are logged normally in the Thin Client Manager, the problem is the screen viewer | 10:54 |
| tsurc | I'm installing gutsy, with squid and dansguardian. But I want to get the users to automatically go through dansguardian | 10:54 |
| docente | I think that the dhcp work fine | 10:55 |
| tsurc | sounds like x11vnc isn't being started. Thats prob linked to the absence of that rc.local file you mentioned. | 10:56 |
| tsurc | you could try creating the file, adding the line needed, Then updating the image | 10:57 |
| docente | yes, but I'd started the vnc client directly on the client, it work but no image trasmitted on the server, I think for permission problem | 10:57 |
| docente | sorry for my bad english ;-) | 10:59 |
| tsurc | don't worry, allot people in the UK have problems writing english. | 11:00 |
| docente | allot? :-) | 11:01 |
| tsurc | many | 11:01 |
| tsurc | anyway, the vnc client is for viewing the screen, what needs to be running on the thin client is the x11vnc server | 11:02 |
| docente | yes, I know | 11:02 |
| tsurc | so who are you starting x11vnc directly on the client? | 11:03 |
| tsurc | how* | 11:03 |
| docente | good question, I will trying to remember... | 11:04 |
| docente | I can't access now on the clients, but I remember that I've found the service X11vnc server running in chroot | 11:06 |
| docente | You know that I'm newbie ;-) | 11:07 |
| tsurc | well I'm no expert either ;-) so don't worry | 11:08 |
| airjump | hello | 11:50 |
| ogra | RichEd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/UDS-Boston/ClassmatePC/PowerManagement is done so far | 12:40 |
| ogra | RichEd, did i understand right that we still need the choice of browser spec as firefox 3 will be to late for hardy ? | 12:42 |
| RichEd | ogra: there was risk concern expressed ... so i think you need to suggest 3 but provide an alternate ? | 12:43 |
| ogra | alternate means i need to put in review time for the different browsers ... | 12:43 |
| RichEd | if v2 was limited to 1 window is that okay ... or is the load time too long ? | 12:43 |
| ogra | the load time is the issue | 12:44 |
| ogra | if it once runs its similar to 3.0 | 12:44 |
| ogra | but there is also webkit and some browsers will switch to it ... the thing is that its not yet predictable how they behave on the classmate | 12:45 |
| RichEd | well the trade off between moving away from ff v2 for classmate 8.04 and then going back to ff v3 for 8.10 is i think worse long term than a short wait ? | 12:45 |
| RichEd | we know ff2 works | 12:45 |
| RichEd | if ff3 is out in time ... good | 12:45 |
| RichEd | so i'd say ... leave ff as the browser ... and we decide on version when we get to freeze ? | 12:46 |
| RichEd | my opinion | 12:46 |
| ogra | well, 8.04 will suck performance wise | 12:46 |
| RichEd | when is ff3 due ... any chance it will make it into 8.04 ubuntu ? | 12:46 |
| ogra | i would love to go with any other browser if we have to stick with 2.0 | 12:46 |
| ogra | its on the edge, as mdz said yesterday | 12:47 |
| ogra | not sure they'll make it and we wont risk breakage in an LTS release | 12:47 |
| ogra | (for ubuntu that is) | 12:47 |
| ogra | but webkit is in main and epiphany will likely be compiled with it | 12:47 |
| RichEd | make some suggetions in the spec and i will add comment ? | 12:48 |
| RichEd | if they are in main ... okay | 12:48 |
| ogra | webkit is said to be even faster than ff 3.0 ... but i didnt see it in action yet | 12:48 |
| ogra | epiphany has lots of other advantages ... like better scaling of the fnts (and pictures !) for small screen sizes ... | 12:49 |
| * pygi did see | 12:49 | |
| ogra | optional kiosk mode etc | 12:49 |
| ogra | pygi, could you compare it to ff 3 ? | 12:49 |
| * RichEd quick break ... back in a few mins | 12:50 | |
| pygi | ogra: yup ... epiphany with it is more stable, uses less memory, and browsing experience seems better, but still has some rough edges | 12:50 |
| ogra | right | 12:50 |
| pygi | while firefox still has the advantage of enormous number of plugins | 12:50 |
| ogra | well, ff3 has its rough edges as well | 12:50 |
| pygi | yes, I know | 12:50 |
| * ogra spent 30 min to allow a self sidgned certificate two days ago | 12:51 | |
| pygi | :D | 12:51 |
| ogra | they dropped the popup dialog that just lets you allow it ... so you have to dig into the gutsy of the settings | 12:51 |
| ogra | *guts | 12:51 |
| pygi | heh, hopefully they'll put it back :D | 12:51 |
| pygi | if epiphany got a better plugin interface then it has now, I think a lot of people would switch | 12:52 |
| pygi | it just cant compare to firefox and XUL | 12:52 |
| ogra | plugin like flash ? or do you mean extensions ? | 12:53 |
| * ogra didnt see any probs with plugins yet | 12:53 | |
| pygi | extensions* | 12:53 |
| ogra | ah | 12:53 |
| ogra | well, it has its own set ... ever installed the epiphany-extensions package ? | 12:53 |
| pygi | yes, I saw that | 12:54 |
| pygi | but that's just not it | 12:54 |
| pygi | you can't seriously compare that to FF plugins | 12:54 |
| ogra | well, i never used (or had to use) any extensions in my life ... so i dont really miss them ... | 12:55 |
| ogra | beyond that we dont ship tham | 12:55 |
| ogra | *them | 12:55 |
| pygi | right =) | 12:56 |
| RichEd | ogra: will epiphany run flash ? | 13:05 |
| pygi | RichEd: why not? o.O | 13:06 |
| pygi | it just wont have that fancy dialog that ff has right now | 13:06 |
| RichEd | pygi: just asking :) | 13:06 |
| ogra | RichEd, i wouldnt propose a browser that cant run flash :) | 13:08 |
| ogra | else i'd have looked at dillo long ago *g* | 13:09 |
| pygi | ogra: think a similar dialog like the one for ff could be hacked in? | 13:10 |
| pygi | it would take more effort then ff's one tho | 13:10 |
| * RichEd meeting with childs physio -> 45 mins | 13:20 | |
| ogra | RichEd, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/classmatepc-choice-of-browser is ready as well | 13:36 |
| ogra | RichEd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuAndItalcHardy is ready ... | 13:57 |
| sbalneav | Morning all | 14:11 |
| johnny_ | morning.. | 14:16 |
| RichEd | ogra: thanks ... | 14:17 |
| tsurc | finally cracked the transarent proxy on a single server.... at least I think I have this time. lol | 15:16 |
| tsurc | I've updated the edubuntuProxy page if someone fancies having a look at the iptables bit. I've done more testing this time but I'd really like a professional pair of eyes to look over it. | 15:17 |
| arrayanes | hi | 15:48 |
| arrayanes | hola? | 15:48 |
| === LaserRock is now known as LaserJock | ||
| docente | Hi there! | 17:20 |
| docente | any experience on thin client in edubuntu gutsy? | 17:21 |
| docente | I have problem with x11vnc connection | 17:22 |
| LaserJock | docente: what kind of problem? | 17:32 |
| docente | the thin client manager say that there is no x11vnc installed on the client, but it's false | 17:34 |
| johnny_ | in the chroot? | 17:35 |
| docente | yes, the mesage is in the box of the TCM where normally appear the client desktop | 17:36 |
| johnny_ | did you install x11vnc in the chroot? or on the box itself? | 17:37 |
| johnny_ | err server itself | 17:37 |
| docente | I have installed the x11 server on the client (chroot) | 17:37 |
| johnny_ | x11 server? you mean x11 vnc ? | 17:38 |
| docente | yes | 17:38 |
| johnny_ | hmm.. i think i had that problem too, never got around to resolving it | 17:39 |
| docente | maybe there is a ssh permission problem... | 17:39 |
| docente | nothing over the world | 17:39 |
| docente | maybe it's a gutsy bug? | 17:39 |
| docente | how I can improve that the x11vnc is running on client? | 17:40 |
| docente | and how I can start the service manually? | 17:41 |
| johnny_ | nah.. i didn't have it working in feisty either | 17:44 |
| docente | I'm trying to start x11vnc on client as root, this is the error message: | 17:44 |
| LaserJock | ogra: you alive? :-) | 17:44 |
| docente | x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0.0", it cannot continue. | 17:44 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I've got a question about the content server spec regarding splitting up the moodle package | 17:45 |
| docente | There may be "Xlib:" error messages above with details about the failure | 17:45 |
| johnny_ | try using it inside | 17:45 |
| johnny_ | login and then run it | 17:45 |
| docente | like user? | 17:45 |
| johnny_ | yes | 17:45 |
| docente | damn! It say that s not installed | 17:46 |
| LaserJock | docente: yeah, I think somehow you didn't actually install it in the client chroot | 17:47 |
| docente | but I've installed it, if I try to apt-get install x11vnc by root in chroot, it say that the package is already installed! | 17:48 |
| LaserJock | docente: did you actually chroot in? | 17:48 |
| docente | just now | 17:49 |
| docente | suggestion? | 17:52 |
| LaserJock | docente: ok, give us the exact steps you're going through to install x11vnc | 17:52 |
| docente | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 | 17:53 |
| docente | apt-get install x11vnc | 17:53 |
| docente | Sudo gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local | 17:53 |
| docente | Add the following line before the exit 0 statement in this file and save it: | 17:54 |
| docente | x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop & | 17:54 |
| docente | Sudo chroot | 17:54 |
| docente | cd /etc/rc2.d | 17:54 |
| docente | mv K99rc.local S99rc.local | 17:54 |
| docente | exit | 17:54 |
| docente | that's all | 17:54 |
| LaserJock | and when you're in the chroot and you run dpkg -l x11vnc ? | 17:54 |
| docente | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | 17:55 |
| docente | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend | 17:55 |
| docente | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) | 17:55 |
| docente | ||/ Nome Versione Descrizione | 17:55 |
| docente | +++-===================-===================-====================================================== | 17:55 |
| docente | ii x11vnc 0.8.2-2 VNC server which uses your current X11 session | 17:55 |
| LaserJock | ok | 17:56 |
| LaserJock | now when you're in the thin client and you do dpkg -l x11vnc do you get the same thing? | 17:56 |
| docente | no | 17:57 |
| docente | not defined | 17:57 |
| LaserJock | then I wonder if you're thin client is actually using that chroot | 17:57 |
| docente | really? How can I find the right chroot? ;-) | 17:58 |
| LaserJock | do you have any other LTSP servers around? | 17:58 |
| LaserJock | and is there anything other than i386 in /opt/ltsp/ ? | 17:59 |
| docente | no, I'm coming from a reinstallation complete of the server | 17:59 |
| LaserJock | I'm really not the person to help you. I've only briefly used LTSP | 17:59 |
| docente | There is a folder named images | 17:59 |
| docente | with i386.img inside | 18:00 |
| LaserJock | right | 18:00 |
| LaserJock | I'm confused as to why you seem to have it installed in the chroot but the client can't see it | 18:02 |
| docente | any direction? | 18:02 |
| LaserJock | well, you might want to ask #ltsp | 18:03 |
| docente | me too, ok I will go there, thank you | 18:03 |
| LaserJock | ogra: did you get my previous question | 18:10 |
| ogra | nope | 18:10 |
| ogra | i'm working on my DSL atm | 18:11 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I've got a question about the content server spec regarding splitting up the moodle package | 18:11 |
| ogra | just got a new firewall in place :) | 18:11 |
| ogra | sure, shoot | 18:11 |
| LaserJock | well, I guess I'm just wondering what we need to do | 18:11 |
| ogra | (note tat is was a request from the security team) | 18:11 |
| LaserJock | the wiki page said that there are more upstream? | 18:11 |
| ogra | i only care about our package :) | 18:12 |
| LaserJock | and is it splitting up into separate binary packages or source packages | 18:12 |
| ogra | its adding deps and not use the builtin functions first ... | 18:12 |
| ogra | then splitting out the remaining ones in separate binaries | 18:12 |
| ogra | some of them are already in the archive in separate packages | 18:13 |
| ogra | making sure moodle works with them will be the hardest part | 18:13 |
| ogra | might need code changes or at least config changes | 18:13 |
| LaserJock | ok, so moodle is including it's own libs? | 18:13 |
| ogra | right | 18:13 |
| ogra | duplicates | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | and not deping on the ones in the archive | 18:14 |
| ogra | exactly | 18:14 |
| ogra | and additionally there are modules that should be split into separate binaries | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | ok, but we don't need new source packages | 18:14 |
| LaserJock | ? | 18:14 |
| ogra | so security updates dont require to change the whole moodle source | 18:14 |
| ogra | hmm, i'll have ot ask kees if he wants a complete source split as well | 18:15 |
| LaserJock | well, if it's just new binary packages from the same source does it matter? | 18:15 |
| ogra | thats getting hairy | 18:15 |
| LaserJock | I can definately see changing the duplicates | 18:15 |
| ogra | yeah | 18:15 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not sure if separating the rest out into separate packages is gonna help much | 18:16 |
| LaserJock | unless you build new source packages | 18:16 |
| ogra | if its separate sources and you have a security update it does i guess | 18:16 |
| LaserJock | which then becomes a lot more maintanence | 18:16 |
| ogra | its more maintenance work for the general package maintenance | 18:17 |
| LaserJock | right, I'm just saying that since Ubuntu is source-only uploads separating binary packages doesn't help security | 18:17 |
| ogra | but less QA and maintenance work for the security team | 18:17 |
| ogra | no, only source split will help | 18:17 |
| LaserJock | right | 18:17 |
| ogra | i'll discuss that with kees | 18:17 |
| ogra | the spec is on my desk for implementation now anyway | 18:18 |
| LaserJock | and that gets a bit hairy if it's from the same tarball | 18:18 |
| ogra | colin assigned it to me since edubuntu-content-server was made a hardy target | 18:18 |
| LaserJock | great | 18:18 |
| LaserJock | something for you to do :-) | 18:18 |
| ogra | yeah, i'm so bored :P | 18:18 |
| LaserJock | ogra: did you see pitti's -devel request earlier to merge the Ubuntu seed changes in? | 18:19 |
| ogra | i'll be drowning in classmate specs and have to do the CD redesign | 18:19 |
| ogra | i'll care for seeds after my spec work is done | 18:19 |
| LaserJock | I'm at my grandfather's house until Sunday but I forgot my crossover cable so i can't do any CMPC testing :( | 18:22 |
| === bluekuja_ is now known as bluekuja | ||
| === bluekuja is now known as bluekuja_ | ||
| === bluekuja_ is now known as bluekuja | ||
| === pauljw_ is now known as pauljw | ||
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!