[05:49] <diskjockey> hey all
[05:49] <LaserJock> hi
[05:50] <diskjockey> I can't seem to change the login screen of my thin clients. (System -> administration -> login screen was of any help). any ideas ?
[05:51] <diskjockey> btw I was wondering if anyone has deployed a production server of edubuntu gutsy yet ?
[05:53] <diskjockey> anyone awake ?
[05:53] <diskjockey> LaserJock: how goes ?
[05:53] <LaserJock> I"m awake
[05:54] <LaserJock> a bit busy though
[05:54] <LaserJock> there are lots of production servers running edubuntu gutsy
[05:54] <LaserJock> although I don't know that anybody in here currently is
[05:54] <LaserJock> since it's kind of a bad time of day
[05:55] <LaserJock> the login screen for LTSP is LDM
[05:55] <LaserJock> not GDM which is what's used on the server itself, and what you're looking at when you go into the System menu
[05:57] <diskjockey> u know what for a half sleepy guy u rock
[06:00] <LaserJock> diskjockey: there is a LDM section in the Edubuntu Handbook
[06:01] <LaserJock> if you're on an Edubuntu gutsy machine go to System -> Help & Support -> Edubuntu Handbook (on the left bar)
[06:02] <diskjockey> LaserJock: just doing that. I'll let u know if I succeed fail
[06:02] <LaserJock> I don't know if it'll help you but that's the best I've got
[06:03] <diskjockey> dont worry u still rock
[06:13] <diskjockey> it seems LDM was not installed (and it doesn't come out of the box installed) so yeah . just aptgetting it
[06:13] <diskjockey> I hope I find my way from here on but yeah thanx agin
[06:14] <diskjockey> again*
[06:19] <LaserJock> diskjockey: how did you install Edubuntu?
[06:26] <diskjockey> CD
[06:26] <diskjockey> then apt-get updated it ofcourse. anything wrong with that ?
[06:30] <LaserJock> diskjockey: what CD?
[06:30] <LaserJock> and what install option?
[06:35] <diskjockey> edubuntu sever CD
[06:36] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:36] <diskjockey> install options ? there were not any. If I rememvber correctlyu
[06:36] <diskjockey> what are u thinking ?
[06:36] <LaserJock> when you boot initially
[06:36] <LaserJock> there should be several options
[06:36] <diskjockey> no . no options
[06:37] <diskjockey> options like what. U mean the ncurses type of options etc..
[06:37] <LaserJock> at the very beginning
[06:37] <LaserJock> when you boot it
[06:37] <diskjockey> I did choose the ltsp build option
[06:37] <LaserJock> ok
[06:37] <diskjockey> no there are no options ( only chose install edubuntu)
[06:37] <diskjockey> what are ur concerns ?
[06:38] <LaserJock> well, there's install workstation
[06:38] <LaserJock> install command line system
[06:38] <LaserJock> and a few others
[06:38] <LaserJock> if you did the LTSP install you should have LDM
[06:39] <LaserJock> anyway, I guess if it works it works
[06:39] <diskjockey> anyway I dont have it. but yeah I just did apt-get it
[06:39] <diskjockey> anyway things are sorted
[06:40] <diskjockey> I only needed to edit the default file (of pxe to remove splash option to the kernel)
[06:40] <diskjockey> hey one more thing
[06:40] <diskjockey> when I restart gdm. the X crashes on me ?
[06:40] <diskjockey> is that normal ?
[06:40] <LaserJock> yep
[06:40] <diskjockey> huh ?
[06:40] <LaserJock> gdm is what starts X
[06:41] <LaserJock> it spawns the process and runs stuff
[06:41] <LaserJock> so restarting gdm is a way of killing X
[06:41] <diskjockey> but it doesn't show up even after I wait 10 minutes ( I thought restart meant restart)
[06:41] <LaserJock> oh, it should restart
[06:41] <LaserJock> and come back up
[06:42] <diskjockey> hmm. it doesnt on my side
[06:42] <diskjockey> any way I hope in few days there will be a patch for that as well.
[06:42] <LaserJock> did you hit Ctrl-Alt-F7 ?
[06:43] <diskjockey> no. just /etc/init.d/gdm restart on the cmd line while in X
[06:44] <LaserJock> well, you might try restarting the computer to see if you get X back
[06:45] <diskjockey> yeah restarting does return the X
[06:45] <diskjockey> LaserJock I need to restart the GDM so maybe I'll see u later some. thanx for all the help though
[06:45] <LaserJock> k
[06:45] <diskjockey> cya around thanx
[07:25] <RichEd> hello laser?ock
[10:30] <docente> Hi!
[10:31] <docente> can anyone help me about thin client and x11vnc configuration?
[10:36] <tsurc> what problem you having, I'm no expert but I have had it working before.
[10:37] <docente> the clients in thin clien manager won't connect via X11vnc, it say that the x11vnc is not installed (false)
[10:37] <tsurc> docente: what version of edubuntu are you using... gutsy?
[10:38] <docente> there is no much info on this, maybe it's a bug in 7.10 release?
[10:38] <docente> yes
[10:38] <tsurc> docente: have you run ltsp-update-image?
[10:39] <docente> yes, I've read tons of documentation, but no luck
[10:40] <tsurc> docente: to be honest I got my test box working by following https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
[10:41] <docente> yes, I know that doc, but not working for me
[10:42] <docente> when I put mv K99rc.local S99rc.local, there is an error: no such file or directory
[10:43] <tsurc> The first time I tried I had a typo, the second time I forgot to chroot into /opt/ltsp
[10:43] <docente>  cannot stat `K99rc.local': No such file or directory
[10:43] <tsurc> try sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp, then rebuilding the ltsp root
[10:44] <tsurc> my install had K99rc.local, failing that..
[10:45] <docente> rebuilding ltsp root? How?
[10:45] <tsurc> try creating the file and adding the line from the wiki page
[10:46] <tsurc> er bare with me...
[10:46] <tsurc> sudo ltsp-build-client
[10:46] <docente> ok, work in progress...
[10:47] <tsurc> might take a while. If you drink tea now would be a good time to put the kettle on
[10:48] <docente> yes, thank you in any case
[10:49] <tsurc> ;-)
[10:49] <docente> the espresso coffee is very fast ;-)
[10:51] <tsurc> Coke or Water for me, although I'm thinking of taking up coffee
[10:52] <tsurc> docente: do you know anything about IPTables
[10:52] <docente> where you come from?
[10:52] <tsurc> Skegness, Uk
[10:52] <tsurc> YOU?
[10:52] <tsurc> oh sorry.... you?
[10:52] <docente> not much, something about NAT, Latina IT
[10:54] <docente> the clients are logged normally in the Thin Client Manager, the problem is the screen viewer
[10:54] <tsurc> I'm installing gutsy, with squid and dansguardian. But I want to get the users to automatically go through dansguardian
[10:55] <docente> I think that the dhcp work fine
[10:56] <tsurc> sounds like x11vnc isn't being started. Thats prob linked to the absence of that rc.local file you mentioned.
[10:57] <tsurc> you could try creating the file, adding the line needed, Then updating the image
[10:57] <docente> yes, but I'd started the vnc client directly on the client, it work but no image trasmitted on the server, I think for permission problem
[10:59] <docente> sorry for my bad english ;-)
[11:00] <tsurc> don't worry, allot people in the UK have problems writing english.
[11:01] <docente> allot? :-)
[11:01] <tsurc> many
[11:02] <tsurc> anyway, the vnc client is for viewing the screen, what needs to be running on the thin client is the x11vnc server
[11:02] <docente> yes, I know
[11:03] <tsurc> so who are you starting x11vnc directly on the client?
[11:03] <tsurc> how*
[11:04] <docente> good question,  I will trying to remember...
[11:06] <docente> I can't access now on the clients, but I remember that I've found the service X11vnc server running in chroot
[11:07] <docente> You know that I'm newbie ;-)
[11:08] <tsurc> well I'm no expert either ;-) so don't worry
[11:50] <airjump> hello
[12:40] <ogra> RichEd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/UDS-Boston/ClassmatePC/PowerManagement is done so far
[12:42] <ogra> RichEd, did i understand right that we still need the choice of browser spec as firefox 3 will be to late for hardy ?
[12:43] <RichEd> ogra: there was risk concern expressed ... so i think you need to suggest 3 but provide an alternate ?
[12:43] <ogra> alternate means i need to put in review time for the different browsers ...
[12:43] <RichEd> if v2 was limited to 1 window is that okay ... or is the load time too long ?
[12:44] <ogra> the load time is the issue
[12:44] <ogra> if it once runs its similar to 3.0
[12:45] <ogra> but there is also webkit and some browsers will switch to it ... the thing is that its not yet predictable how they behave on the classmate
[12:45] <RichEd> well the trade off between moving away from ff v2 for classmate 8.04 and then going back to ff v3 for 8.10 is i think worse long term than a short wait ?
[12:45] <RichEd> we know ff2 works
[12:45] <RichEd> if ff3 is out in time ... good
[12:46] <RichEd> so i'd say ... leave ff as the browser ... and we decide on version when we get to freeze ?
[12:46] <RichEd> my opinion
[12:46] <ogra> well, 8.04 will suck performance wise
[12:46] <RichEd> when is ff3 due ... any chance it will make it into 8.04 ubuntu ?
[12:46] <ogra> i would love to go with any other browser if we have to stick with 2.0
[12:47] <ogra> its on the edge, as mdz said yesterday
[12:47] <ogra> not sure they'll make it and we wont risk breakage in an LTS release
[12:47] <ogra> (for ubuntu that is)
[12:47] <ogra> but webkit is in main and epiphany will likely be compiled with it
[12:48] <RichEd> make some suggetions in the spec and i will add comment ?
[12:48] <RichEd> if they are in main ... okay
[12:48] <ogra> webkit is said to be even faster than ff 3.0 ... but i didnt see it in action yet
[12:49] <ogra> epiphany has lots of other advantages ... like better scaling of the fnts (and pictures !) for small screen sizes ...
[12:49]  * pygi did see
[12:49] <ogra> optional kiosk mode etc
[12:49] <ogra> pygi, could you compare it to ff 3 ?
[12:50]  * RichEd quick break ... back in a few mins
[12:50] <pygi> ogra: yup ... epiphany with it is more stable, uses less memory, and browsing experience seems better, but still has some rough edges
[12:50] <ogra> right
[12:50] <pygi> while firefox still has the advantage of enormous number of plugins
[12:50] <ogra> well, ff3 has its rough edges as well
[12:50] <pygi> yes, I know
[12:51]  * ogra spent 30 min to allow a self sidgned certificate two days ago
[12:51] <pygi> :D
[12:51] <ogra> they dropped the popup dialog that just lets you allow it ... so you have to dig into the gutsy of the settings
[12:51] <ogra> *guts
[12:51] <pygi> heh, hopefully they'll put it back :D
[12:52] <pygi> if epiphany got a better plugin interface then it has now, I think a lot of people would switch
[12:52] <pygi> it just cant compare to firefox and XUL
[12:53] <ogra> plugin like flash ? or do you mean extensions ?
[12:53]  * ogra didnt see any probs with plugins yet
[12:53] <pygi> extensions*
[12:53] <ogra> ah
[12:53] <ogra> well, it has its own set ... ever installed the epiphany-extensions package ?
[12:54] <pygi> yes, I saw that
[12:54] <pygi> but that's just not it
[12:54] <pygi> you can't seriously compare that to FF plugins
[12:55] <ogra> well, i never used (or had to use) any extensions in my life ... so i dont really miss them ...
[12:55] <ogra> beyond that we dont ship tham
[12:55] <ogra> *them
[12:56] <pygi> right =)
[13:05] <RichEd> ogra: will epiphany run flash ?
[13:06] <pygi> RichEd: why not? o.O
[13:06] <pygi> it just wont have that fancy dialog that ff has right now
[13:06] <RichEd> pygi: just asking :)
[13:08] <ogra> RichEd, i wouldnt propose a browser that cant run flash :)
[13:09] <ogra> else i'd have looked at dillo long ago *g*
[13:10] <pygi> ogra: think a similar dialog like the one for ff could be hacked in?
[13:10] <pygi> it would take more effort then ff's one tho
[13:20]  * RichEd meeting with childs physio -> 45 mins
[13:36] <ogra> RichEd, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/classmatepc-choice-of-browser is ready as well
[13:57] <ogra> RichEd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuAndItalcHardy is ready ...
[14:11] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:16] <johnny_> morning..
[14:17] <RichEd> ogra: thanks ...
[15:16] <tsurc> finally cracked the transarent proxy on a single server.... at least I think I have this time. lol
[15:17] <tsurc> I've updated the edubuntuProxy page if someone fancies having a look at the iptables bit. I've done more testing this time but I'd really like a professional pair of eyes to look over it.
[15:48] <arrayanes> hi
[15:48] <arrayanes> hola?
[17:20] <docente> Hi there!
[17:21] <docente> any experience on thin client in edubuntu gutsy?
[17:22] <docente> I have problem with x11vnc connection
[17:32] <LaserJock> docente: what kind of problem?
[17:34] <docente> the thin client manager say that there is no x11vnc installed on the client, but it's false
[17:35] <johnny_> in the chroot?
[17:36] <docente> yes, the mesage is in the box of the TCM where normally appear the client desktop
[17:37] <johnny_> did you install x11vnc in the chroot? or on the box itself?
[17:37] <johnny_> err server itself
[17:37] <docente> I have installed the x11 server on the client (chroot)
[17:38] <johnny_> x11 server? you mean x11 vnc ?
[17:38] <docente> yes
[17:39] <johnny_> hmm.. i think i had that problem too, never got around to resolving it
[17:39] <docente> maybe there is a ssh permission problem...
[17:39] <docente> nothing over the world
[17:39] <docente> maybe it's a gutsy bug?
[17:40] <docente> how I can improve that the x11vnc is running on client?
[17:41] <docente> and how I can start the service manually?
[17:44] <johnny_> nah.. i didn't have it working in feisty either
[17:44] <docente> I'm trying to start x11vnc on client as root, this is the error message:
[17:44] <LaserJock> ogra: you alive? :-)
[17:44] <docente> x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0.0", it cannot continue.
[17:45] <LaserJock> ogra: I've got a question about the content server spec regarding splitting up the moodle package
[17:45] <docente>  There may be "Xlib:" error messages above with details about the failure
[17:45] <johnny_> try using it inside
[17:45] <johnny_> login and then run it
[17:45] <docente> like user?
[17:45] <johnny_> yes
[17:46] <docente> damn! It say that s not installed
[17:47] <LaserJock> docente: yeah, I think somehow you didn't actually install it in the client chroot
[17:48] <docente> but I've installed it, if I try to apt-get install x11vnc by root in chroot, it say that the package is already installed!
[17:48] <LaserJock> docente: did you actually chroot in?
[17:49] <docente> just now
[17:52] <docente> suggestion?
[17:52] <LaserJock> docente: ok, give us the exact steps you're going through to install x11vnc
[17:53] <docente> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[17:53] <docente> apt-get install x11vnc
[17:53] <docente> Sudo gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local
[17:54] <docente> Add the following line before the exit 0 statement in this file and save it:
[17:54] <docente> x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop &
[17:54] <docente> Sudo chroot
[17:54] <docente> cd /etc/rc2.d
[17:54] <docente> mv K99rc.local S99rc.local
[17:54] <docente> exit
[17:54] <docente> that's all
[17:54] <LaserJock> and when you're in the chroot and you run dpkg -l x11vnc ?
[17:55] <docente> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[17:55] <docente> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend
[17:55] <docente> |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
[17:55] <docente> ||/ Nome                Versione            Descrizione
[17:55] <docente> +++-[17:55] <docente> ii  x11vnc              0.8.2-2             VNC server which uses your current X11 session
[17:56] <LaserJock> ok
[17:56] <LaserJock> now when you're in the thin client and you do dpkg -l x11vnc do you get the same thing?
[17:57] <docente> no
[17:57] <docente> not defined
[17:57] <LaserJock> then I wonder if you're thin client is actually using that chroot
[17:58] <docente> really? How can I find the right chroot? ;-)
[17:58] <LaserJock> do you have any other LTSP servers around?
[17:59] <LaserJock> and is there anything other than i386 in /opt/ltsp/ ?
[17:59] <docente> no, I'm coming from a reinstallation complete of the server
[17:59] <LaserJock> I'm really not the person to help you. I've only briefly used LTSP
[17:59] <docente> There is a folder named images
[18:00] <docente> with i386.img inside
[18:00] <LaserJock> right
[18:02] <LaserJock> I'm confused as to why you seem to have it installed in the chroot but the client can't see it
[18:02] <docente> any direction?
[18:03] <LaserJock> well, you might want to ask #ltsp
[18:03] <docente> me too, ok I will go there, thank you
[18:10] <LaserJock> ogra: did you get my previous question
[18:10] <ogra> nope
[18:11] <ogra> i'm working on my DSL atm
[18:11] <LaserJock> ogra: I've got a question about the content server spec regarding splitting up the moodle package
[18:11] <ogra> just got a new firewall in place :)
[18:11] <ogra> sure, shoot
[18:11] <LaserJock> well, I guess I'm just wondering what we need to do
[18:11] <ogra> (note tat is was a request from the security team)
[18:11] <LaserJock> the wiki page said that there are more upstream?
[18:12] <ogra> i only care about our package :)
[18:12] <LaserJock> and is it splitting up into separate binary packages or source packages
[18:12] <ogra> its adding deps and not use the builtin functions first ...
[18:12] <ogra> then splitting out the remaining ones in separate binaries
[18:13] <ogra> some of them are already in the archive in separate packages
[18:13] <ogra> making sure moodle works with them will be the hardest part
[18:13] <ogra> might need code changes or at least config changes
[18:13] <LaserJock> ok, so moodle is including it's own libs?
[18:13] <ogra> right
[18:14] <ogra> duplicates
[18:14] <LaserJock> and not deping on the ones in the archive
[18:14] <ogra> exactly
[18:14] <ogra> and additionally there are modules that should be split into separate binaries
[18:14] <LaserJock> ok, but we don't need new source packages
[18:14] <LaserJock> ?
[18:14] <ogra> so security updates dont require to change the whole moodle source
[18:15] <ogra> hmm, i'll have ot ask kees if he wants a complete source split as well
[18:15] <LaserJock> well, if it's just new binary packages from the same source does it matter?
[18:15] <ogra> thats getting hairy
[18:15] <LaserJock> I can definately see changing the duplicates
[18:15] <ogra> yeah
[18:16] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure if separating the rest out into separate packages is gonna help much
[18:16] <LaserJock> unless you build new source packages
[18:16] <ogra> if its separate sources and you have a security update it does i guess
[18:16] <LaserJock> which then becomes a lot more maintanence
[18:17] <ogra> its more maintenance work for the general package maintenance
[18:17] <LaserJock> right, I'm just saying that since Ubuntu is source-only uploads separating binary packages doesn't help security
[18:17] <ogra> but less QA and maintenance work for the security team
[18:17] <ogra> no, only source split will help
[18:17] <LaserJock> right
[18:17] <ogra> i'll discuss that with kees
[18:18] <ogra> the spec is on my desk for implementation now anyway
[18:18] <LaserJock> and that gets a bit hairy if it's from the same tarball
[18:18] <ogra> colin assigned it to me since edubuntu-content-server was made a hardy target
[18:18] <LaserJock> great
[18:18] <LaserJock> something for you to do :-)
[18:18] <ogra> yeah, i'm so bored :P
[18:19] <LaserJock> ogra: did you see pitti's -devel request earlier to merge the Ubuntu seed changes in?
[18:19] <ogra> i'll be drowning in classmate specs and have to do the CD redesign
[18:19] <ogra> i'll care for seeds after my spec work is done
[18:22] <LaserJock> I'm at my grandfather's house until Sunday but I forgot my crossover cable so i can't do any CMPC testing :(