=== johnny__ is now known as johnny_ [05:49] hey all [05:49] hi [05:50] I can't seem to change the login screen of my thin clients. (System -> administration -> login screen was of any help). any ideas ? [05:51] btw I was wondering if anyone has deployed a production server of edubuntu gutsy yet ? [05:53] anyone awake ? [05:53] LaserJock: how goes ? [05:53] I"m awake [05:54] a bit busy though [05:54] there are lots of production servers running edubuntu gutsy [05:54] although I don't know that anybody in here currently is [05:54] since it's kind of a bad time of day [05:55] the login screen for LTSP is LDM [05:55] not GDM which is what's used on the server itself, and what you're looking at when you go into the System menu [05:57] u know what for a half sleepy guy u rock [06:00] diskjockey: there is a LDM section in the Edubuntu Handbook [06:01] if you're on an Edubuntu gutsy machine go to System -> Help & Support -> Edubuntu Handbook (on the left bar) [06:02] LaserJock: just doing that. I'll let u know if I succeed fail [06:02] I don't know if it'll help you but that's the best I've got [06:03] dont worry u still rock [06:13] it seems LDM was not installed (and it doesn't come out of the box installed) so yeah . just aptgetting it [06:13] I hope I find my way from here on but yeah thanx agin [06:14] again* [06:19] diskjockey: how did you install Edubuntu? [06:26] CD [06:26] then apt-get updated it ofcourse. anything wrong with that ? [06:30] diskjockey: what CD? [06:30] and what install option? [06:35] edubuntu sever CD [06:36] hmm [06:36] install options ? there were not any. If I rememvber correctlyu [06:36] what are u thinking ? [06:36] when you boot initially [06:36] there should be several options [06:36] no . no options [06:37] options like what. U mean the ncurses type of options etc.. [06:37] at the very beginning [06:37] when you boot it [06:37] I did choose the ltsp build option [06:37] ok [06:37] no there are no options ( only chose install edubuntu) [06:37] what are ur concerns ? [06:38] well, there's install workstation [06:38] install command line system [06:38] and a few others [06:38] if you did the LTSP install you should have LDM [06:39] anyway, I guess if it works it works [06:39] anyway I dont have it. but yeah I just did apt-get it [06:39] anyway things are sorted [06:40] I only needed to edit the default file (of pxe to remove splash option to the kernel) [06:40] hey one more thing [06:40] when I restart gdm. the X crashes on me ? [06:40] is that normal ? [06:40] yep [06:40] huh ? [06:40] gdm is what starts X [06:41] it spawns the process and runs stuff [06:41] so restarting gdm is a way of killing X [06:41] but it doesn't show up even after I wait 10 minutes ( I thought restart meant restart) [06:41] oh, it should restart [06:41] and come back up [06:42] hmm. it doesnt on my side [06:42] any way I hope in few days there will be a patch for that as well. [06:42] did you hit Ctrl-Alt-F7 ? [06:43] no. just /etc/init.d/gdm restart on the cmd line while in X [06:44] well, you might try restarting the computer to see if you get X back [06:45] yeah restarting does return the X [06:45] LaserJock I need to restart the GDM so maybe I'll see u later some. thanx for all the help though [06:45] k [06:45] cya around thanx === LaserJock is now known as LaserRock === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd [07:25] hello laser?ock [10:30] Hi! [10:31] can anyone help me about thin client and x11vnc configuration? [10:36] what problem you having, I'm no expert but I have had it working before. [10:37] the clients in thin clien manager won't connect via X11vnc, it say that the x11vnc is not installed (false) [10:37] docente: what version of edubuntu are you using... gutsy? [10:38] there is no much info on this, maybe it's a bug in 7.10 release? [10:38] yes [10:38] docente: have you run ltsp-update-image? [10:39] yes, I've read tons of documentation, but no luck [10:40] docente: to be honest I got my test box working by following https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients [10:41] yes, I know that doc, but not working for me [10:42] when I put mv K99rc.local S99rc.local, there is an error: no such file or directory [10:43] The first time I tried I had a typo, the second time I forgot to chroot into /opt/ltsp [10:43] cannot stat `K99rc.local': No such file or directory [10:43] try sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp, then rebuilding the ltsp root [10:44] my install had K99rc.local, failing that.. [10:45] rebuilding ltsp root? How? [10:45] try creating the file and adding the line from the wiki page [10:46] er bare with me... [10:46] sudo ltsp-build-client [10:46] ok, work in progress... [10:47] might take a while. If you drink tea now would be a good time to put the kettle on [10:48] yes, thank you in any case [10:49] ;-) [10:49] the espresso coffee is very fast ;-) [10:51] Coke or Water for me, although I'm thinking of taking up coffee [10:52] docente: do you know anything about IPTables [10:52] where you come from? [10:52] Skegness, Uk [10:52] YOU? [10:52] oh sorry.... you? [10:52] not much, something about NAT, Latina IT [10:54] the clients are logged normally in the Thin Client Manager, the problem is the screen viewer [10:54] I'm installing gutsy, with squid and dansguardian. But I want to get the users to automatically go through dansguardian [10:55] I think that the dhcp work fine [10:56] sounds like x11vnc isn't being started. Thats prob linked to the absence of that rc.local file you mentioned. [10:57] you could try creating the file, adding the line needed, Then updating the image [10:57] yes, but I'd started the vnc client directly on the client, it work but no image trasmitted on the server, I think for permission problem [10:59] sorry for my bad english ;-) [11:00] don't worry, allot people in the UK have problems writing english. [11:01] allot? :-) [11:01] many [11:02] anyway, the vnc client is for viewing the screen, what needs to be running on the thin client is the x11vnc server [11:02] yes, I know [11:03] so who are you starting x11vnc directly on the client? [11:03] how* [11:04] good question, I will trying to remember... [11:06] I can't access now on the clients, but I remember that I've found the service X11vnc server running in chroot [11:07] You know that I'm newbie ;-) [11:08] well I'm no expert either ;-) so don't worry [11:50] hello [12:40] RichEd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Education/UDS-Boston/ClassmatePC/PowerManagement is done so far [12:42] RichEd, did i understand right that we still need the choice of browser spec as firefox 3 will be to late for hardy ? [12:43] ogra: there was risk concern expressed ... so i think you need to suggest 3 but provide an alternate ? [12:43] alternate means i need to put in review time for the different browsers ... [12:43] if v2 was limited to 1 window is that okay ... or is the load time too long ? [12:44] the load time is the issue [12:44] if it once runs its similar to 3.0 [12:45] but there is also webkit and some browsers will switch to it ... the thing is that its not yet predictable how they behave on the classmate [12:45] well the trade off between moving away from ff v2 for classmate 8.04 and then going back to ff v3 for 8.10 is i think worse long term than a short wait ? [12:45] we know ff2 works [12:45] if ff3 is out in time ... good [12:46] so i'd say ... leave ff as the browser ... and we decide on version when we get to freeze ? [12:46] my opinion [12:46] well, 8.04 will suck performance wise [12:46] when is ff3 due ... any chance it will make it into 8.04 ubuntu ? [12:46] i would love to go with any other browser if we have to stick with 2.0 [12:47] its on the edge, as mdz said yesterday [12:47] not sure they'll make it and we wont risk breakage in an LTS release [12:47] (for ubuntu that is) [12:47] but webkit is in main and epiphany will likely be compiled with it [12:48] make some suggetions in the spec and i will add comment ? [12:48] if they are in main ... okay [12:48] webkit is said to be even faster than ff 3.0 ... but i didnt see it in action yet [12:49] epiphany has lots of other advantages ... like better scaling of the fnts (and pictures !) for small screen sizes ... [12:49] * pygi did see [12:49] optional kiosk mode etc [12:49] pygi, could you compare it to ff 3 ? [12:50] * RichEd quick break ... back in a few mins [12:50] ogra: yup ... epiphany with it is more stable, uses less memory, and browsing experience seems better, but still has some rough edges [12:50] right [12:50] while firefox still has the advantage of enormous number of plugins [12:50] well, ff3 has its rough edges as well [12:50] yes, I know [12:51] * ogra spent 30 min to allow a self sidgned certificate two days ago [12:51] :D [12:51] they dropped the popup dialog that just lets you allow it ... so you have to dig into the gutsy of the settings [12:51] *guts [12:51] heh, hopefully they'll put it back :D [12:52] if epiphany got a better plugin interface then it has now, I think a lot of people would switch [12:52] it just cant compare to firefox and XUL [12:53] plugin like flash ? or do you mean extensions ? [12:53] * ogra didnt see any probs with plugins yet [12:53] extensions* [12:53] ah [12:53] well, it has its own set ... ever installed the epiphany-extensions package ? [12:54] yes, I saw that [12:54] but that's just not it [12:54] you can't seriously compare that to FF plugins [12:55] well, i never used (or had to use) any extensions in my life ... so i dont really miss them ... [12:55] beyond that we dont ship tham [12:55] *them [12:56] right =) [13:05] ogra: will epiphany run flash ? [13:06] RichEd: why not? o.O [13:06] it just wont have that fancy dialog that ff has right now [13:06] pygi: just asking :) [13:08] RichEd, i wouldnt propose a browser that cant run flash :) [13:09] else i'd have looked at dillo long ago *g* [13:10] ogra: think a similar dialog like the one for ff could be hacked in? [13:10] it would take more effort then ff's one tho [13:20] * RichEd meeting with childs physio -> 45 mins [13:36] RichEd, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/classmatepc-choice-of-browser is ready as well [13:57] RichEd, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuAndItalcHardy is ready ... [14:11] Morning all [14:16] morning.. [14:17] ogra: thanks ... [15:16] finally cracked the transarent proxy on a single server.... at least I think I have this time. lol [15:17] I've updated the edubuntuProxy page if someone fancies having a look at the iptables bit. I've done more testing this time but I'd really like a professional pair of eyes to look over it. [15:48] hi [15:48] hola? === LaserRock is now known as LaserJock [17:20] Hi there! [17:21] any experience on thin client in edubuntu gutsy? [17:22] I have problem with x11vnc connection [17:32] docente: what kind of problem? [17:34] the thin client manager say that there is no x11vnc installed on the client, but it's false [17:35] in the chroot? [17:36] yes, the mesage is in the box of the TCM where normally appear the client desktop [17:37] did you install x11vnc in the chroot? or on the box itself? [17:37] err server itself [17:37] I have installed the x11 server on the client (chroot) [17:38] x11 server? you mean x11 vnc ? [17:38] yes [17:39] hmm.. i think i had that problem too, never got around to resolving it [17:39] maybe there is a ssh permission problem... [17:39] nothing over the world [17:39] maybe it's a gutsy bug? [17:40] how I can improve that the x11vnc is running on client? [17:41] and how I can start the service manually? [17:44] nah.. i didn't have it working in feisty either [17:44] I'm trying to start x11vnc on client as root, this is the error message: [17:44] ogra: you alive? :-) [17:44] x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0.0", it cannot continue. [17:45] ogra: I've got a question about the content server spec regarding splitting up the moodle package [17:45] There may be "Xlib:" error messages above with details about the failure [17:45] try using it inside [17:45] login and then run it [17:45] like user? [17:45] yes [17:46] damn! It say that s not installed [17:47] docente: yeah, I think somehow you didn't actually install it in the client chroot [17:48] but I've installed it, if I try to apt-get install x11vnc by root in chroot, it say that the package is already installed! [17:48] docente: did you actually chroot in? [17:49] just now [17:52] suggestion? [17:52] docente: ok, give us the exact steps you're going through to install x11vnc [17:53] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 [17:53] apt-get install x11vnc [17:53] Sudo gedit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.local [17:54] Add the following line before the exit 0 statement in this file and save it: [17:54] x11vnc -display :6 -forever -loop & [17:54] Sudo chroot [17:54] cd /etc/rc2.d [17:54] mv K99rc.local S99rc.local [17:54] exit [17:54] that's all [17:54] and when you're in the chroot and you run dpkg -l x11vnc ? [17:55] Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold [17:55] | Status=Not/Installed/Config-f/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/t-aWait/T-pend [17:55] |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) [17:55] ||/ Nome Versione Descrizione [17:55] +++-===================-===================-====================================================== [17:55] ii x11vnc 0.8.2-2 VNC server which uses your current X11 session [17:56] ok [17:56] now when you're in the thin client and you do dpkg -l x11vnc do you get the same thing? [17:57] no [17:57] not defined [17:57] then I wonder if you're thin client is actually using that chroot [17:58] really? How can I find the right chroot? ;-) [17:58] do you have any other LTSP servers around? [17:59] and is there anything other than i386 in /opt/ltsp/ ? [17:59] no, I'm coming from a reinstallation complete of the server [17:59] I'm really not the person to help you. I've only briefly used LTSP [17:59] There is a folder named images [18:00] with i386.img inside [18:00] right [18:02] I'm confused as to why you seem to have it installed in the chroot but the client can't see it [18:02] any direction? [18:03] well, you might want to ask #ltsp [18:03] me too, ok I will go there, thank you [18:10] ogra: did you get my previous question [18:10] nope [18:11] i'm working on my DSL atm [18:11] ogra: I've got a question about the content server spec regarding splitting up the moodle package [18:11] just got a new firewall in place :) [18:11] sure, shoot [18:11] well, I guess I'm just wondering what we need to do [18:11] (note tat is was a request from the security team) [18:11] the wiki page said that there are more upstream? [18:12] i only care about our package :) [18:12] and is it splitting up into separate binary packages or source packages [18:12] its adding deps and not use the builtin functions first ... [18:12] then splitting out the remaining ones in separate binaries [18:13] some of them are already in the archive in separate packages [18:13] making sure moodle works with them will be the hardest part [18:13] might need code changes or at least config changes [18:13] ok, so moodle is including it's own libs? [18:13] right [18:14] duplicates [18:14] and not deping on the ones in the archive [18:14] exactly [18:14] and additionally there are modules that should be split into separate binaries [18:14] ok, but we don't need new source packages [18:14] ? [18:14] so security updates dont require to change the whole moodle source [18:15] hmm, i'll have ot ask kees if he wants a complete source split as well [18:15] well, if it's just new binary packages from the same source does it matter? [18:15] thats getting hairy [18:15] I can definately see changing the duplicates [18:15] yeah [18:16] but I'm not sure if separating the rest out into separate packages is gonna help much [18:16] unless you build new source packages [18:16] if its separate sources and you have a security update it does i guess [18:16] which then becomes a lot more maintanence [18:17] its more maintenance work for the general package maintenance [18:17] right, I'm just saying that since Ubuntu is source-only uploads separating binary packages doesn't help security [18:17] but less QA and maintenance work for the security team [18:17] no, only source split will help [18:17] right [18:17] i'll discuss that with kees [18:18] the spec is on my desk for implementation now anyway [18:18] and that gets a bit hairy if it's from the same tarball [18:18] colin assigned it to me since edubuntu-content-server was made a hardy target [18:18] great [18:18] something for you to do :-) [18:18] yeah, i'm so bored :P [18:19] ogra: did you see pitti's -devel request earlier to merge the Ubuntu seed changes in? [18:19] i'll be drowning in classmate specs and have to do the CD redesign [18:19] i'll care for seeds after my spec work is done [18:22] I'm at my grandfather's house until Sunday but I forgot my crossover cable so i can't do any CMPC testing :( === bluekuja_ is now known as bluekuja === bluekuja is now known as bluekuja_ === bluekuja_ is now known as bluekuja === pauljw_ is now known as pauljw