[00:10] <jjesse> evening
[00:10] <nixternal> Riddell: mind reviewing the Akademy-es article...I have edited it
[00:10] <nixternal> evening jjesse
[00:10] <jjesse> nixternal: got snow yet?
[00:11] <nixternal> I haven't looked outside yet
[00:11] <nixternal> it was supposed to start within the past hour I think
[00:11] <jjesse> we are supposed to get 2-4 inches
[00:11] <nixternal> shoot, 4 hours south of here had tornados, and now they are in a snow storm warning
[00:11] <nixternal> that is nuts
[00:11] <nixternal> ya, same here
[00:11] <nixternal> enough to make some killer snowballs, you know it is going to be very wet snow, and heavy..I love it
[00:12] <nixternal> especially on your side...Michigan has the best snow for snowballs!
[00:12] <jjesse> hopefully it won't be bad when we have to drive to kalamzoo for family thanksgiving dinner
[00:12] <jjesse> yeah i love snowball fights :)
[00:20] <nixternal> we have about an hour or so before the snow starts..it is still west of us
[00:21] <nixternal> you guys are in a "Lake Effect Snow Warning"
[00:21] <nixternal> KZoo!
[00:21] <nixternal> where at in kzoo?
[00:21] <nixternal> close to Paw Paw?
[00:21] <nixternal> or the other side
[00:21] <jjesse> portage actually
[00:21] <jjesse> don't quite know
[00:21] <nixternal> oh ok
[00:22] <nixternal> portage is the other side
[00:22] <nixternal> paw paw is next to kzoo on the south side of 94
[00:22] <jjesse> ah i think i was there when i visited st julians winery
[00:22] <nixternal> yes
[00:22] <jjesse> part of the south west michigan wine tour
[00:22] <nixternal> wait
[00:22] <jjesse> which is great if you haven't been on it
[00:22] <nixternal> Julians is Paw Paw? or is it in Caloma
[00:23] <nixternal> I have been to Julians, but I can't remember where it is
[00:23] <nixternal> no, it is in Paw Paw
[00:23] <nixternal> I can picture it right now...I went there in like 98 when I was working in Paw Paw at the Minute Maid facility
[00:23] <jjesse> 716 S. Kalamazoo Street Paw Paw, MI 49079
[00:23] <jjesse> according to website
[00:24] <nixternal> yup, if you take kzoo st. south, you will run into welch's, the place that makes jelly
[00:24] <jjesse> mmmm jelly
[00:24] <nixternal> there used to be a go-kart track right there at 94 and kzoo we used to go to when I was a kid
[00:24] <jjesse> have you done the southwest michigan wine tour?  my wife and i did it for Valentines Weekend
[00:24] <jjesse> all of the winerys for like $40
[00:24] <nixternal> I haven't done the whole tour
[00:25] <jjesse> make sure you have a designated driver its more fun that way
[00:25] <nixternal> that tour goes through Coloma to their small winery I believe
[00:26] <jjesse> http://www.miwinetrail.com/
[00:26] <jjesse> you go to the main winery
[00:26] <jjesse> http://www.miwinetrail.com/The_Wineries.html
[00:27] <jjesse> and of course the best is the choclate garden :)
[00:27] <nixternal> heh, that is the pier in St. Joseph
[00:27] <nixternal> the header image
[00:27] <jjesse> http://chocolategarden.com/
[00:27] <nixternal> ya, Contessa Wine Cellars
[00:27] <jjesse> if you like chocalate you need to go there
[00:27] <nixternal> that is in Coloma...great wine
[00:27] <nixternal> I used to live 3 miles from that place on the other side of Paw Paw Lake
[00:28] <jjesse> i think we still ahve a bottle of Conetessa down in the basement
[00:29] <nixternal> hrmm, according to the map, Contessa has moved since I was last in that area
[00:29] <nixternal> it used to be right near Deer Park in Coloma
[00:34] <jjesse> intesting, isn't it hard to move a winery?
[00:34] <jjesse> if i remember correctly it was in a big "house" like building
[00:35] <jjesse> !konserve
[00:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konserve - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:35] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: my dad makes his own wine... its not hard
[00:35] <jjesse> is there a default backup utility for ubuntu?
[00:35] <nixternal> dunno about default...Keep is pretty good, at least it was the last time I used it
[00:35] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: i guess i meant moving the grapes and everything
[00:36] <nosrednaekim> jjesse: oh... yeah
[00:36]  * jjesse is on vicodin so please ignore any ramblings :)
[00:36] <nixternal> jjesse: they may have had 2 locations...but I just asked my dad about it, and he said it was in the same place I was thinking
[00:36] <jjesse> isn't keep installed by default?
[00:39] <jjesse> for kubuntu?
[00:39] <jjesse> one of my wife's and i favorits is tabor hill
[00:39] <jjesse> we stop by the wine tasting room to buy wine every time i'm on the way home from chicago
[00:40] <nixternal> I don't see it installed by default here
[00:45] <stdin> keep is, KMenu -> System > Keep
[00:46] <jjesse> is it installed by default (kubuntu)
[00:46] <claydoh> it used to be, but its not on my gutsy
[00:47] <nixternal> fdoving: did you get the kde4 icons fixed?
[00:47] <claydoh> I don't use it myself, but I don't think I uninstalled it
[00:47] <stdin> well, kubuntu-desktop recommends keep
[00:47] <stdin> so should be install as default
[00:47]  * claydoh wishes sbackup had a qt/kde version..
[00:47] <nosrednaekim> its there for me...
[00:48] <claydoh> ahh it is there for me just no menu entry
[00:49] <claydoh> which i will assume was removed by me
[00:49] <jjesse> sorry currently not in my kubuntu install so was asking questions
[00:50] <nosrednaekim> wow... never saw that little app, pretty slick. but backups are for wimps ;)
[00:50]  * stdin wonders what to do about kdenetwork
[00:51] <jjesse> nosrednaekim: i'm working on the manual for keep so when i get time it will be uplaoded :)
[00:52] <nosrednaekim> heh... the onlytime I ever used a GUI manual was to find out how to auto-authenticate in konversation.
[00:54] <stdin> fresh update of konversation in my ppa too :p
[00:54] <jjesse> oh yay
[00:54] <stdin> Sho_ recommended I update it because the older one had some dcc bug
[00:55] <nosrednaekim> stdin: hey... I got that version of konversation... whats so new about it?
[00:55] <stdin> it's from svn
[00:55] <stdin> it will become 1.0.2
[00:55] <stdin> and remember lines work like they should :)
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> any nice features?
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> oh ok
[00:56] <stdin> I'll post the changelog, hold on
[00:57] <stdin> http://stdin.pastebin.us/?show=d7c310f46
[00:59] <nosrednaekim> oh.... nice... your own pastebin subdomain :D
[00:59] <stdin> pastebin.us give them to anyone
[00:59] <stdin> and my "nopaste" script defaults to that
[01:00] <stdin> tho it seems to be getting spammed a lot recently, so I'm going to ditch it
[01:01] <nosrednaekim> hmm <_<
[01:08] <stdin> there, new paste site http://stdin.pastebin.com/d295f8b4b    (just ran "sed -i 's/us/com/g'" on my script :)
[01:29] <coreymon77> you know, my mac is good, but there are definitely things that i like much better about linux, or atleast about kde capabilities
[02:22] <stdin> hmm, kdeutils is broke too
[02:22] <stdin> hey Jucato
[02:22] <Jucato> ey
[02:23] <coreymon77> Jucato: hey
[02:23] <Jucato> hi
[02:23] <coreymon77> Jucato: you good with the gimp?
[02:23] <Jucato> nope
[02:23] <coreymon77> anyone here good with it?
[02:24] <stdin> nope, used it about 3 time
[02:26]  * Hobbsee would suggest a gimp help channel
[02:26] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: tried
[02:26] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: but the one given on the gimps site is dead
[02:26] <Hobbsee> irc.gnome.org #gimp?
[02:26] <coreymon77> no
[02:27] <coreymon77> irc.gimp.org
[02:27] <coreymon77> is the gnome one better?
[02:27] <stdin> same thing
[02:27] <stdin> DNS alias
[02:29] <coreymon77> sorry, konv crashed
[02:29] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: any other suggestions/
[02:29] <coreymon77> ?
[02:29] <coreymon77> its probably not hard to do what im trying
[02:29] <coreymon77> i just dont know how to do it
[02:29] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: ?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> forum or something
[02:30] <Hobbsee> your'e asking about a gnome program in a kde developer channel.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> doesn't that strike you as slightly odd?
[02:30] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: i know, but its a commonly used program
[02:30] <coreymon77> so, i figured
[02:30] <Hobbsee> and devel != support
[02:30] <Hobbsee> commonly used program for that in kde is krita.
[02:33] <coreymon77> not nearly as powerful
[02:34] <Hobbsee> yeah, the featureful version is psp7.
[02:35] <nixternal> coreymon77: what are you trying to do with gimp?
[02:35] <Jucato> ey nixternal! :)
[02:36] <nixternal> howdy Jucato
[02:36] <Jucato> gonna try building w/o debugfull bwahahah!!
[02:36] <Jucato> on a different user of course :P
[02:37] <coreymon77> nixternal: when using the make seamless filter, im wondering if there is a way to make each tile line up perfectly with the layer beside/above it without having to actually move it to the right spot manually
[02:37] <coreymon77> nixternal: because when i try to do it manually, i can never seem to get it perfect
[02:37] <nixternal> ya, you will definitely need to hit up the #gimp chan
[02:38] <coreymon77> its dead though
[02:38]  * Jucato wonders how dead...
[02:39] <Hobbsee> look at the time of day.  it usually would be at this time
[02:39] <coreymon77> Jucato: as in, nobody is answering anything
[02:39] <Hobbsee> 56 nicks.
[02:39] <Jucato> imho a channel is only dead when there's no one in it...
[02:39] <Hobbsee> so, they're there, but sleeping / idling / etc
[02:39] <Hobbsee> or they don't know.
[02:39] <Jucato> bah.. the usual "excuse" of people asking in the wrong channels :P
[02:40] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: and dude, you suck at asking questions.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> !anyone | coreymon77
[02:40] <ubotu> coreymon77: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[02:40] <Jucato> like asking Fedora questions in #kde and saying there's no one in the #fedora channel... despite there being 200+ people in there...
[02:41] <Hobbsee> oh, that's classy
[02:41]  * Hobbsee ntoes that gimp currently has pepole talking in it, so clearly isnt dead.
[02:41] <stdin> saw someone in #kde a little earlier asking what emerge is and how to use it
[02:42] <Jucato> I guess I can't blame the newbies if they're unfamiliar with how IRC support in FOSS works
[02:42] <stdin> told them to go to #gentoo  and they replied:
 yes ..new to gentoo...got tired of ubuntu
[02:42] <stdin> :p
[02:42] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: no it doesnt
[02:42] <coreymon77> nobody is there
[02:42] <Hobbsee> [13:39] --> MidnightCommando has joined this channel (~peanutlx@c220-237-123-15.randw1.nsw.optusnet.com.au).
[02:42] <Hobbsee> [13:40] * Kevin wonders how many days it will be before sjburges returns
[02:42] <Hobbsee> [13:41] --> coreymon77 has joined this channel (~coreymon@CPE000f663685cd-CM001a66704c5e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com).
[02:42] <coreymon77> i was in there before
[02:42] <coreymon77> for a while
[02:43] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: can i suggest that if you're not in the channel at the current point in time, you cant say it's dead now?
[02:43] <coreymon77> i just left for a second
[02:43] <nixternal> !patience
[02:43] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:43] <nixternal> :p
[02:43] <Hobbsee> well, it's australian day.  use a little logic.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> !evening
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about evening - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <nixternal> haha
[02:43] <nixternal> !hobbsee
[02:43] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[02:43] <Hobbsee> now, what did i call that factoid...
[02:43] <Hobbsee> !night
[02:43] <ubotu> It's the middle of the night in the US and Europe, and surrounds.  This means that a lot of people are likely asleep, therefore there are less potential people who can answer your question.  Please be patient, and consider asking at a time when more people will be awake.  This is particularly true in the quieter channels.
[02:43] <nixternal> uh oh..the storm warnings are going off
[02:44] <Jucato> we're expecting a super typhoon tomorrow
[02:44] <Jucato> ironically, the sun is shining for the first time in 2 days today...
[03:00] <Jucato_> boo Hobbsee! you're it! :)
[03:00] <Jucato_> boo nixternal! I see you!!
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Jucato_: hrm?
[03:01] <Jucato_> KDE: 3.96.1 (KDE 4.0 >= 20071120)
[03:01] <Jucato_> kde4-config --version | grep KDE
[03:02] <Jucato_> Hobbsee: nothing much. just poking you for fun, in irssi in konsole4 in kde4 on top of kubuntu without kde3 :D
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:11] <nixternal> slow down
[03:11] <nixternal> Jucato_: did you end up doing the "crazy idea"?
[03:11] <Jucato_> yeah. this is it :)
[03:11] <Jucato_> no qt3/kde3 so far
[03:11] <nixternal> groovy
[03:11] <Jucato_> but I'll have to install at least kdelibs4 anyway, to build konvi :)
[03:12]  * Hobbsee inserts a few spiders down Jucato_'s back
[03:12] <Jucato_> (from svn of course)
[03:12]  * Jucato_ munches
[03:13]  * Jucato_ just re-realizes how "base" kdebase really is...
[03:13] <nixternal> damn, kded isn't running
[03:13] <Jucato_> for my other crazy idea, kde4 w/o debugfull.. kdelibs almost done...
[03:21] <nixternal> I thought okular read pdf files too
[03:21] <Hobbsee> wow, a ML nutter.
[03:21] <Jucato_> Hobbsee: heheh yeah :)
[03:21] <Jucato_> nixternal: it does. if it was compiled w/ poppler
[03:22] <nixternal> hrmm
[03:22] <nixternal> I thought it was
[03:22] <nixternal> guess not
[03:22] <Jucato> :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> wow, 420 people subscribing to the list.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> right, forcibly removed the guy.
[03:26] <Hobbsee> right, who's on the council again?
[03:26]  * Jucato_ points to nixternal 
[03:26] <Jucato_> and kwwii I think
[03:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: is?
[03:27] <nixternal> ya
[03:27] <Jucato> hehehe
[03:27] <Jucato> surprised?
[03:27] <Jucato> shocked?
[03:27] <Jucato> dumbfounded?
[03:27] <nixternal> haha, thanks
[03:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: how about you explicitly +1 it then?
[03:28] <nixternal> what am I +1'ing?
[03:28] <nixternal> removing that guy?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> oh, quorum's 3, not 2, anyway, and LP is down
[03:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no, the membership.  (based on what you've said on teh ML)
[03:28] <nixternal> oh, you talking stdin?
[03:28] <nixternal> -100
[03:28] <nixternal> :p
[03:29] <stdin> OI
[03:29] <Jucato> -11010110101110001
[03:29] <nixternal> damn, he went binary on ya
[03:29] <stdin> fine, where's that "Uninstall Kubuntu" button now :p
[03:29] <nixternal> Hobbsee: if I think someone was already a member, then I think you know which way my vote would go :)
[03:29] <nixternal> then again, he did take the kde 4 packages from under me...and I am MAD!#!*$*! :p
[03:29] <Jucato> yeah, it would go that way ----->
[03:30] <nixternal> forced me to go do kde 4 packages for another distro
[03:30] <stdin> nixternal: you snooze....
[03:30] <nixternal> haha
[03:30] <Jucato> :P
[03:30] <nixternal> stdin: for real though, I swore not only were you a member, I thought you were MOTU as well
[03:30]  * Jucato thought the same about jdong being a MOTU...
[03:30] <stdin> heh, I guess that's quite a complement :)
[03:30] <Jucato> what else would it be? :P
[03:31] <stdin> "quite a complement" meaning  "really bid complement" rather than "a small complement"
[03:32] <nixternal> Jucato_: I don't know what jdong was waiting for with MOTU, but I might have thought he was a MOTU as well, especially with all of his ktorrent work
[03:32]  * stdin hits "Fetch Mail" repeatedly
[03:33] <Hobbsee> stdin: i think everyone else is asleep
[03:33] <stdin> Hobbsee: if i did gmail would lock me out anyway
[03:33] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I think with the last one, we still voted at the meeting, we just took his intro via email
[03:33] <Hobbsee> nixternal: but in lieu of a meeting.  *shrug*
[03:33] <Hobbsee> nixternal: people can ask questions on the ML, etc.
[03:34] <nixternal> but with stdin, I think we pretty much know his attentions, what all he has done, so honestly, it would be hard for me to question him...I could make up some questions though to scare the bajeebus out of him though :p
[03:35] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:35] <Hobbsee> i was meaning in general
[03:35] <stdin> scare me? but you're so cuddly :p
[03:35]  * Hobbsee will +1 last, and add to the team at the same time.
[03:36] <nixternal> lets see what JR wants to do and if it is OK...if so, I am all for it
[03:36] <nixternal> I just started raptor, and I have no idea wth it is supposed to do...right now it isn't doing anything
[03:53] <jjesse> anyone know a good applet for the ewather for kde3?
[03:54] <nixternal> liquidweather for superkaramba
[03:54] <jjesse> nothing simple like just adding an applet to my taskbar?
[03:54] <claydoh> kweather
[03:55] <claydoh> thats a tskbar applet
[03:55] <nixternal> ya, what claydoh said
[03:55] <jjesse> thanks
[03:55] <claydoh> I use it Kontact as well
[03:57] <jjesse> cool
[04:01] <jjesse> intersting got it working now just got to figure out how to display in soemthing other then celsius :)
[04:04] <jjesse> ah had to logout and log back in
[04:04] <jjesse> does anyone have problems w/ konqi and gmail?
[04:06] <jjesse> hello LongPointyPony
[04:06] <jjesse> is that a new addition?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> laserjock needs to give us ponies.
[04:09] <jjesse> i want a stallion
[04:09] <jjesse> wait maybe that came out wrong
[04:11] <jjesse> does anyone have a problem with gmail where it just stays at "loading...." in konqueror
[04:11] <jjesse> sorry i know this isn't a support forum
[04:11] <claydoh> jjesse: you need to change it from either system settings language/locales
[04:11] <jjesse> claydoh: thanks for that figured it out
[04:12] <claydoh> or just right-click on the clock on the taskbar and find it from there
[04:12] <jjesse> don't you think if your locale is set for US then it should default to imperial units for measurement?
[04:13] <claydoh> you'd think, but it doesn't
[04:13]  * jjesse would file a bug but launchpad is under maintenance :(
[04:15] <Hobbsee> there was even prior warning, too
[04:15] <jjesse> prior warning?
[04:16] <jjesse> oh yeah for launchpad..
[04:16]  * jjesse is on vicodin so please ignore stupid things
[04:16] <nixternal> jjesse: gmail broke it again
[04:16] <jjesse> jerks
[04:17] <nixternal> hehe
[04:35]  * Jucato burps
[04:39] <Jucato> oh man.. it's raining again :(
[04:41] <nixternal> it's snowing here :)
[04:41] <nixternal> already made a snowball and threw it at the pit bull
[04:41] <vorian> fo realz?
[04:41] <nixternal> yup
[04:41] <Jucato> hm.. what would I give to just have a day of snow....
[04:41] <vorian> nixternal, I got sumfink for you
[04:41] <Jucato> (I definitely wouldn't give up KDE for snow :P)
[04:41] <jjesse> just started snowing here
[04:41] <Jucato> jjesse!!!!!!!!
[04:42] <Jucato> you're back!!!!
[04:42] <nixternal> wasabi vorian? you running vista in kde 4? :p
[04:42] <vorian> no
[04:42] <vorian> http://vorian.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/kubuntu.png
[04:42] <nixternal> hehe
[04:42] <jjesse> yeah i'm back
[04:42] <vorian> just got them today
[04:42] <jjesse> nice license plate
[04:42] <nixternal> nice, that makes yet another plate with Kubuntu
[04:42] <jjesse> Jucato: i've been back since friday but been sick
[04:42] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^ there is another Kubuntu license plate for ya
[04:42] <Jucato> jjesse: how was your stay down under? I presume you never got to meet up with Hobbsee?
[04:42] <Jucato> jjesse: aw :(
[04:42] <vorian> you should see my wife's platet
[04:43] <vorian> or just plate
[04:43] <nixternal> my license plates are boring
[04:43] <jjesse> Jucato: no things didn't work out do work being crazy
[04:43] <jjesse> down under was great
[04:43] <Jucato> ah good that you still enjoyed (I hope)
[04:43] <jjesse> yeah my wife and i had a great time
[04:43] <jjesse> next time we fly that long we are not flying economy
[04:43] <jjesse> business class at least
[04:43] <nixternal> they have a big "Veteran of Foreign War" stamp on them, and then have GNU LNX
[04:44] <Jucato> veteran of foreign war.... heh :)
[04:44] <jjesse> desert shield?
[04:44] <Jucato> (that reads as GNU LYNX to the unlearned)
[04:44] <vorian> lol
[04:44] <nixternal> desert shield, bosnia, kosovo, Iraqi Freedom
[04:44] <Jucato> manila
[04:44] <nixternal> I didn't make desert storm, I was to young
[04:45] <jjesse> ah
[04:45] <jjesse> anyways just started snowing here, doubt it will stick too long on the ground
[04:45] <jjesse> its not cold enough yet
[04:45] <nixternal> ya, same here
[04:45] <vorian> wasn't desert shield the build up to desert storm?
[04:45] <nixternal> it isn't sticking to anything but the garbage can really
[04:45] <jjesse> no desert shield occured after
[04:45] <nixternal> vorian: after
[04:45] <vorian> I was in 8th or 9th grade
[04:45] <vorian> ah, i see
[04:46] <Jucato> hm.. dessert...
[04:46] <Jucato> that just reminded me.. brb :)
[04:46] <vorian> sandworms, spice, freemen
[04:46] <vorian> I love the desert
[04:46] <vorian> :)
[04:46] <Jucato> lol
[04:46] <Jucato> Dune :)
[04:46] <jjesse> vorian: did you read the latest book?  "Sandworms of Dune"
[04:47] <vorian> jjesse, of course I did silly :P
[04:47] <nixternal> the shield was before and after, sorry about that
[04:47] <vorian> \o/
[04:47] <vorian> <-- historian
[04:47] <nixternal> it started in 90 I think, ended in 90, and then started in 91 again
[04:47] <Jucato> <--- historydiot
[04:47] <vorian> <--- idiot
[04:48] <vorian> :)
[04:48] <jjesse> right now i'm an idiot cause i'm on drugs
[04:48] <Jucato> ooh meds!!
[04:48]  * vorian walks away whistling
[04:51] <nixternal> interesting...my DD214 says Operation Desert Shield, Operation Desert Storm, Operation Cease Fire
[04:51] <nixternal> argh, thanks vorian!
[04:51] <nixternal> you made me make a mess
[04:52] <vorian> should have been operation field dressing
[04:52] <vorian> wha?
[04:52] <nixternal> hehe
[04:52] <nixternal> don't stand on a chair that spins trying to reach a heavy box up high on a shelf
[04:52] <nixternal> I wanted to see wth it was called
[04:52] <vorian> lol
[04:52] <vorian> sorry about that
[04:52] <nixternal> I could have just googled it probably
[04:53] <nixternal> they show Desert Shield (1990), Desert Storm (1991), Cease Fire (1991-)
[04:53] <nixternal> so it wasn't done when I got off of active duty in 1998
[04:53] <nixternal> err, 1999
[04:53] <vorian> what was the air operation called?
[04:53] <nixternal> Operation DUCK!
[04:53] <vorian> "the no fly zone"
[04:53] <vorian> ha
[04:54] <nixternal> I was on the USS Missouri and as an E3, I got to go help clean up the oil they spilled into the Gulf
[04:54] <nixternal> that job sucked
[04:54] <vorian> whoah!
[04:55] <vorian> nixternal, i spent a summer in Great Lakes too :)
[04:55] <nixternal> although, worse than that was being the duty armorer for the British ground forces in Kosovo...Brit army dudes are nuts
[04:55] <nixternal> Great Mistakes!
[04:56] <nixternal> vorian: you were a squid?
[04:56] <vorian> aye
[04:56] <nixternal> rate and rank?
[04:56] <vorian> I got kicked in sub school
[04:56]  * Jucato imagines tentacles on vorian
[04:56] <nixternal> oh lord
[04:56] <vorian> medical
[04:56] <nixternal> wait, sub school? were you in the big green glass building?
[04:56] <vorian> CT
[04:56] <nixternal> I was in the big green glass building by McDonalds...Gunner's Mate Guns
[04:57] <nixternal> now I am a GMSC in the reserves
[04:57] <vorian> in Groten?
[04:57] <nixternal> great mistakes
[04:57] <vorian> ah
[04:57] <nixternal> oh ya, sub schook is in CO
[04:57] <nixternal> err, CT
[04:57] <vorian> I only remember the bridge at great lakes ( to the pool)
[04:58] <nixternal> Gunner's Mate Senior Chief...hoorah
[04:58] <vorian> anchors away .....
[04:58] <nixternal> oh ya
[04:58] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:58] <vorian> lol
[04:58] <nixternal> where you go under Buckley road
[04:58] <vorian> I guess
[04:58] <nixternal> the bank was over there too right?
[04:58] <vorian> I can't remember
[04:58] <nixternal> last time I was there was in 1994
[04:58] <vorian> 96 for me
[04:59] <nixternal> I go up there every now then, but I am at the other base now, by the train station
[04:59] <nixternal> Great Mistakes NSC, not RTC
[04:59] <vorian> the real deal
[05:00] <nixternal> that is where I downloaded Linux for the first time in 1994
[05:00] <nixternal> I just got back from a 9 month tour, and went to finish my A school
[05:01] <vorian> sheesh
[05:01] <vorian> I was using w92 or something like that
[05:02] <vorian> when the "Pentium" was the shizzel
[05:02] <vorian> 66mhz ftw!
[05:03] <nixternal> I think I had a 486/66DX, can't remember
[05:05] <vorian> I had an Acer mac clone (IBM compatible :P)
[05:05] <vorian> it had a mic and everything!
[05:06] <nixternal> Packard Bell was the first one I bought, and I can't remember if the the amd k6 was a PB or a NEC
[05:26] <Jucato> nixternal: you were right, there's not much diff between debugfull and default (relwithdebinfo I think)
[05:26] <nixternal> then I shall leave debugfull goind
[05:26] <nixternal> going*
[05:26] <Jucato> boing :)
[05:27] <Jucato> well not *much* noticeable diff... it does seem just a weeeeee bit faster...
[05:27] <Jucato> and only 1GB smaller
[05:27] <nixternal> wow, 1gb, that is quite a bit actually
[05:27] <Jucato> what? compared to your 300GB hard disk? :)
[05:28] <nixternal> heh
[05:40] <Jucato> hm... but w/o debugfull... you can't do much to help trace crashes right? hm...
[05:40] <nixternal> http://img187.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0784uf2.jpg
[05:41] <nixternal> my buddy just got his EEE
[05:41] <nixternal> that thing is bad ass
[05:41] <Jucato> heheh nice
[05:41] <nixternal> screw the N810, I want that thing
[05:41] <Jucato> waiting for the 8 or 16GB edition to hit our stores next year.. but the 4GB here costs already $479
[05:41] <Jucato> I think
[05:42]  * Jucato still will go for the n810
[05:42] <nixternal> I will steal it from ya!
[05:42] <Jucato> lol
[05:43] <nixternal> http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc0800mf8.jpg
[05:43] <nixternal> that thing is totally awesome
[05:43] <Jucato> $457 - 4GB
[05:44] <nixternal> I will find a kid around here with one, and beat him up and take it :p
[05:45] <Jucato> hm.. sounds a lot like eddie :)
[05:46] <nixternal> hehe
[05:46] <nixternal> ya, the kid part :)
[05:47] <Jucato> that kid that gets (almost) beat up/mugged part
[05:48] <nixternal> haha, ya
[05:49] <Jucato> oh man... feeling lazy again :(
[05:49] <Jucato> now I finished building kde4 twice... I feel bored :)
[05:49] <Jucato> (up to kdebase only)
[05:50] <nixternal> right...dude, that was just me a couple of hours ago
[05:56] <Jucato> kaantok!
[05:56] <Jucato> oops.. wrong channel sorry
[06:09] <Jucato> happy turkey day to those affected
[06:09] <nixternal> infected?
[06:10] <Jucato> hehe I was thinking that too :)
[06:10]  * Jucato now has a dilemma about n810...
[06:10] <Jucato> if I get one, I'm not sure if my mom will confiscate the laptop...
[06:11] <Jucato> so that's one less hacking box :(
[06:11] <Jucato> on the other hand, if I get the Eeeek PC... that's a laptop too, albeit 16GB at most :(
[10:02] <Tonio_> fdoving: ping ?
[10:02] <Tonio_> fdoving: concerning kdesudo, I thought about what to do, and here is a plan, I'd like your opinion
[10:03] <Tonio_> change kdesudo to use kprocess, and connect to a pty
[10:03] <Tonio_> get rid of the "command line compatibility" with kdesu
[10:03] <Tonio_> make is "command line" commatible with sudo -> not many things to support, so easier
[10:03] <Tonio_> let kdesu and don't replace it
[10:04] <Tonio_> and eventually, patch kdelibs so that X-Kde-SubstituteUID uses kdesudo in the first place
[10:05] <Tonio_> and check if that doesn't impact any other software (shouldn't, as the substitute things is only used for starting apps)
[10:05] <Tonio_> is that okay for you ?
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sorry for not having looked at that stuff regarding icons in kdesudo..
[10:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no problem
[10:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw, we have a "little" problem with it, as it uses kshellprocess
[10:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fdoving discovered that you can eventually start applications with folder names or so, which is evil ;)
[10:11] <Tonio_> and potentially security issue
[10:14] <_StefanS_> I see
[10:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: if you can help on taht point, that would be super nice
[10:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: especially the kprocess + pty thing ;)
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well I'm not sure I can help in that department sorry
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum okay
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: does this like that complicated .
[10:21] <Tonio_> ?
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm sorry to disappoint, but I dont have the time right now ;( - maybe a late night or something
[10:22] <Tonio_> s/like/look like/
[10:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah okay, nothing to say then ;)
[10:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well we have about 5 month to do that, I hope I can get help to get that done, but maybe I'll ping you later then (a few months)
[10:24] <_StefanS_> its probably not really that complicated, but it would require some hours (without kids in the background ;)
[10:24] <_StefanS_> yes please bug me alot about it.
[10:24] <_StefanS_> that will probably help, hehe
[10:24]  * Jucato bugs _StefanS_ a lot...
[10:25]  * _StefanS_ hugs Jucato a lot...
[10:25] <_StefanS_> err..
[10:25] <Jucato> how are you? and the kids? :)
[10:26] <_StefanS_> I'm fine :)
[10:28] <_StefanS_> and the kids too.. they have been up at the doctors to get some shots to prevent illness (not sure what the english word is), but they have been having some fever afterwards, which is normal, but they have had a hard time sleeping
[10:28] <Jucato> vaccines
[10:28] <_StefanS_> ah yes
[10:29] <_StefanS_> its called vaccination in danish, but wasnt too sure on the english term ;)
[10:31] <Jucato> :D
[10:32] <Jucato> it's a small world after all, it's a small world after all... tralalala :)
[10:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: saw your blog about progress and stuff
[10:32] <_StefanS_> Jucato: are you reading some c++ ?
[10:32] <Jucato> stalled on C++... yeah I should be getting back on it..
[10:32] <Jucato> I'm still not yet at the OOP parts though :(
[10:34] <_StefanS_> oh well.. it all takes time
[10:35] <Jucato> I'm taking waaay too much time.. procrastination and all...
[10:35] <_StefanS_> I wonder how fast kde4 actually is without debug enabled..
[10:35] <Jucato> well ok!!! now that I've built kde4 on my laptop and my desktop is still updating... time to get back to C++
[10:35] <Jucato> _StefanS_: actually I thought that too. surprise surprise almost no diff
[10:35] <_StefanS_> no hardware giveaways today.
[10:36] <_StefanS_> oh.
[10:36] <Jucato> but the great thing is, kde4 rc1+ is fast!
[10:36] <Jucato> even w/ composite on.. and no 3d hardware acceleration (using mesa)
[10:36] <_StefanS_> did you grab the one with the tray thingy?
[10:36] <Jucato> compiled from svn
[10:36] <_StefanS_> rc1+
[10:36] <_StefanS_> ah..
[10:36] <_StefanS_> did you compile from techbase?
[10:36] <Jucato> just last night, so it's later than rc1
[10:36] <Jucato> yep
[10:37] <_StefanS_> uhm, maybe I should do that too
[10:37] <Jucato> on a base buntu install, no kde3 :)
[10:37] <_StefanS_> nice
[10:37] <_StefanS_> btw I got 3d and aiglx etc., still its not that fast on the plasmoids, but thats probably going to improve a lot
[10:38]  * Jucato wonders how long this laptop will be with him though....
[10:38] <Jucato> I don't have the other plasmoids from extragear and playground yet though
[10:38] <_StefanS_> would be nice to try them out
[10:38] <Jucato> yep. I'll be building the other modules in my sleep :)
[10:38] <Jucato> while I sleep I mean
[10:39] <Jucato> just need to compile Konvi SVN though :)
[10:40] <_StefanS_> btw, did you stumble upon a way to use firefox 3.0 beta1 ?
[10:40] <_StefanS_> with alternatives and all that
[10:40] <Jucato> um nope...
[10:40]  * Jucato doesn't use Fx.. much...
[10:40] <_StefanS_> oka
[11:32]  * ryanakca twiddles while waiting for <person> to package RC1 :D
[11:33] <Tm_T> ryanakca: you mean buildd?
[11:33] <Tm_T> IIRC it's in queue
[11:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: you know about the PPA?
[12:22] <ryanakca> Riddell: yes
[12:22] <ryanakca> hurray, no school today due to "freezing rain making it unsafe for school buses" :D
[12:23] <ryanakca> Tm_T: ah, ok :)
[12:23] <Riddell> isn't that called snow?
[12:24] <Riddell> ah, Hobbsee
[12:24] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell
[12:24] <Hobbsee> this sounds like i'm in trouble ro something.
[12:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: meeting is next weekend.  there will be no excuses
[12:24] <Hobbsee> as in, not the one in 2 days, but the one after.
[12:24] <ryanakca> nah, snow is white and fluffy... freezing rain is kinda like rain... except when it comes into contact with stuff it freezes... really cool/pretty :)
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: in the interim, i've suggested that we do stdin's membership by mail.
[12:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: are you able to give back kdepimlibs/4:3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1
[12:25]  * ryanakca scratches his head and wonders why he thought stdin was already a member and possibly even a MOTU or something of the sort...
[12:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ppa or real archive?
[12:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: real
[12:26] <Riddell> backports
[12:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: got a queue link handy?
[12:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do we have a day and time next weekend?
[12:26] <Jucato> ryanakca: nixternal was fooled too :)
[12:26] <Hobbsee> not yet
[12:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where do I find one of those?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> then the answer is no :)
[12:26] <Riddell> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kdepimlibs/4:3.96.0-1ubuntu1~gutsy1
[12:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, thanks.  that link worked fine.  given back on sparc and amd64, which were the only 2 to have failed.
[12:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: and if you fancy upping the priority of https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:3.96.0-1ubuntu1 that would make my day
[12:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's the source of kdebase-workspace-dev i take it?
[12:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: gutsy?  hardy?
[12:31] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hardy
[12:31] <Riddell> that's the source of kdebase-runtime
[12:31] <Riddell> then we still have kdebase and kdebase-workspace to do
[12:31] <Riddell> then the rest can be thrown in
[12:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: rescored
[12:32] <Riddell> I wish I knew why they were building before their build-deps are ready
[12:32]  * Hobbsee notes someone is going to have to manhandle lpia
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hrm, i cant really multi-queue, as there are multiple builders.
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: give me a yell when -runtime finishes, then i'll queue the next lot
[12:33] <Riddell> no, it needs to wait until the preceeding one is ready
[12:33] <Riddell> will do, thanks Hobbsee
[12:34] <Hobbsee> well, i was just going to bump the priority to half, but that would still get taken over the non-kde stuff.
[12:35] <Hobbsee> no problme
[12:36] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah, i could have sworn we already did his membership
[12:45] <Riddell> tsk lanchpad broke
[12:46] <Hobbsee> yes, i thought it did
[12:46]  * Hobbsee attempts to re-prio again.
[12:54] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: meeting in 9 days?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> or 10.  yeah
[12:54] <Tm_T> roger
[12:54] <Hobbsee> weekend after next
[12:54] <Jucato> ayt
[12:54] <Jucato> :)
[12:55] <Tm_T> I'll try to be there this time :)
[12:55] <Jucato> wonders if he'll be around :)
[12:55] <Jucato> er..
[12:55]  * Jucato wonders if he'll be around :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> hrm, something looks borken.
[12:56] <Tm_T> Jucato: hell be around?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> ah, no, here we go.  it's just slow
[13:17] <Hobbsee> grumble.
[13:17] <Hobbsee> hppa and sparc hadn't done pimlibs.
[13:22] <Hobbsee> right, pimlibs given back on hppa and sparc, then i can give the rest back
[13:24] <Hobbsee> and kde4libs on hppa
[13:25] <Hobbsee> oh noes, it's dholbach
[13:25] <dholbach> :)
[13:28] <Hobbsee> slightly worrying that it's taking 30 mins to realise ti doesnt fulful build deps though.
[13:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I wouldn't worry too much about hppa and sparc, this is time consiming enough getting it to build on amd64 and i386
[13:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: those are already going
[13:29] <Hobbsee> i just may as well do them all, or almost all, in one hit
[13:30]  * ryanakca scratches his head and tries to remember what he wanted to package
[13:37] <Riddell> ryanakca: merges!
[13:40] <nosrednaekim> happy Thanksgiving all you Americans!
[13:41] <Riddell> ah, they're all busy harvesting in November
[13:41] <nosrednaekim> nah, generally, Thanksgiving is after the harvest,
[13:54] <ryanakca> Riddell: aha, it was Squash... a batch image modifier.... kindof like writing your own shell script that uses image magick, except that's it's already written and has a pretty interface
[13:54] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmmm.... merges...
[13:55] <ryanakca> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Squash?content=67920
[13:55] <ryanakca> has anybody taken care of KTorrent 2.2.4 yet?
[13:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: squash has been packaged
[13:56] <Riddell> yes, jdong did ktorrent
[14:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: doing merges not tempting for you?
[14:03] <dholbach> check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[14:05] <Hobbsee> anything of interest of kde to merge?
[14:07] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: a little thing called KDE4 RC;)
[14:07] <Hobbsee> that's already in the archives. i'm already dealing with that
[14:07] <nosrednaekim> :D
[14:08] <ryanakca> dholbach: thanks
[14:08] <ryanakca> Riddell: eh, I just never really figured out how to do them :)
[14:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does -base need to go before base-workspace?
[14:08] <Hobbsee> or can they run concurrently?
[14:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[14:08] <Riddell> kdebase-runtime then kdebase-kde4 then kdebase-workspace
[14:09] <Hobbsee> i give you an either/or.  yes is not an accetable answer
[14:09] <Hobbsee> right
[14:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kdebase-kde4 queued.
[14:10] <Hobbsee> on ia64 isnt done again, i'll have to queue that later
[14:10] <Tm_T> hrhr
[14:12] <ryanakca> Riddell: mind if I attempt tackling k3b-i18n ?
[14:13] <Riddell> ryanakca: please please!
[14:13] <ryanakca> :)
[14:14] <Hobbsee> right, sparc's slowly waking up
[14:14]  * Tm_T goes sparcling
[14:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: ick... hmm... any idea what I would do in a case like this? http://pastebin.ca/793682 ... that's in af/Makefile.in
[14:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: don't merge Makefile.in's they get magically created by autotools
[14:28] <ryanakca> Ah, ok :)
[14:28] <Riddell> ryanakca: the only part that needs merging is the debian directory
[14:28] <ryanakca> Ah. ok... is there a way to undo the changes I've made then? just re-'grab-merge.sh' ?
[14:29] <Riddell> if the ubuntu changes are still needed, start with the debian/ directory from Debian's package and apply the change by hand is how I do it
[14:29] <Riddell> I don't tend to do this fancy automated merging stuff
[14:29] <ryanakca> Ah
[14:29]  * ryanakca nods, ok, thanks
[14:30] <Riddell> with kde-i18n there may not be anything that need keepingin our changes, although the .orig might have a different md5sum
[14:31] <ryanakca> hmm... ok... why would the two .orig have a different md5sum? 1.0.3 vs 1.0.4 ?
[14:32] <Riddell> ryanakca: if the upstream version is different then they obviously should be, if debian has a newer version we should upgrade to that version
[14:32] <ryanakca> ok
[14:32] <Riddell> ryanakca: but also people unpack .bz2 files and repack as gzip and that changes the md5sum
[14:33] <Riddell> and we can't change a .orig once it's in the archive
[14:33] <ryanakca> ah.
[14:33] <ryanakca> ok, so, if both debian/ dirs are the same, we can just do a sync?
[14:34] <Riddell> yep
[14:34] <Riddell> well, if both .orig are the same too
[14:34] <ryanakca> well, they aren't because of a version gap.
[14:34] <ryanakca> I think
[14:34]  * ryanakca checks
[14:35] <ryanakca> yeah
[14:36] <Riddell> ryanakca: if debian has a newer version than us, and there's no ubuntu specific changes, then you can just file a sync request
[14:36] <ryanakca> ok, thanks :)
[14:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: or wait... the debian/ dir is slightly different... should probably ask this in -motu, but, what's the difference between Build-Depends-Indep: and Build-Depends: ? we have kde4libs-dev under indep, and debhelper under build-dep, but Debian has both under build-dep, and no -indep...
[14:47] <Riddell> kde4libs-dev?
[14:47] <Riddell> in k3b-i18n?
[14:47] <Riddell> surely kdelibs4-dev
[14:47] <ryanakca> oops, kdelibs4-dev, yes
[14:47] <ryanakca> my bad
[14:47] <Riddell> ryanakca: that can be safely ignored I'd say
[14:48] <Riddell> Build-Depends-Indep is for when the buildds are building non-arch specific packages, which is whenever it is built on i386
[14:49] <Riddell> k3b-i18n is only non-arch specific so it doesn't make a difference in practice
[14:49] <ryanakca> ah, ok. So, it would be used for things like interpreted scripts, translations, documentation, etc?
[14:51] <Riddell> yes, so it /should/ be used here, but it doesn't actually make any difference since we're only building a non-arch package (translations)
[14:51] <Riddell> if we were building arch package (a compiled programme) and non-arch (translations say) then Build-Depends-Indep allows the non-i386 buildds to not have to install the extra packages
[14:51] <ryanakca> And then the only other difference I see (other than changelog) is in debian/rules... and I'm guessing the debian one is good? http://pastebin.ca/793693
[14:52] <ryanakca> ok... so like in a source package that produces  bin & bin-doc .
[14:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: they look equivalent
[14:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: exactly
[14:53] <ryanakca> ok, good, I'll test it in sbuild and then if it builds fine, I'll request a sync :)
[14:53] <ryanakca> thanks :)
[15:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: OK, we dont care about hppa.
[15:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's segfaulting while doing kdelibs.
[15:02] <Hobbsee> kdebase-kde4 done on stuff we care about...
[15:03] <Hobbsee> -workspace next
[15:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: -workspace is all done anyway, it appears.
[15:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any preference ofr the rest of them being done?
[15:07] <Riddell> it is?
[15:07] <Riddell> I think *-kde4 is all good now
[15:08] <Riddell> mm, excellent, so it is
[15:08] <ryanakca> hmmm... when using requestsync, I know I need -s for sponsorship... do I need -k <keyid> ?
[15:08] <Riddell> kdeaccessibility  kdeartwork   kdeedu    kdegraphics  kdemultimedia  kdepim      kdesdk   kdeutils extragear-plasma  kdeadmin kdegames  kdenetwork   kdetoy
[15:09] <Riddell> dholbach: ^^ requestsync knowledge?
[15:09] <Riddell> Hobbsee: all those with -kde4 on the end, except extragear-plasma
[15:09] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: no
[15:09] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ok, thanks
[15:10] <dholbach> ryanakca: I haven't used it for quite a while, sorry; I think it should make use of your key
[15:11] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: stick your GPGKEY=######## in ~/.bashrc, so it'll work
[15:11] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ok, and, to sync 1.0.4-1 from debian, requestsync -s k3b-i18n hardy k3b-i18n_1.0.4-1
[15:11] <ryanakca> ?
[15:12] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: requestsync <package> hardy
[15:12] <Hobbsee> i dont think it even takes versions
[15:12] <Hobbsee> just takes whatever is in unstable
[15:13] <ryanakca> ok, thanks :)
[15:16] <vorian> Hobbsee, GPGKEY=######## anywhere in /.bashrc?
[15:16] <Hobbsee> yes
[15:16] <Tm_T> yes
[15:16] <vorian> kewlio
[15:16] <Tm_T> prolly around bottom but anywhere
[15:16] <vorian> I wasn't spying, i promise :)
[15:18] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: hmm... wouldn't you want "export GPGKEY='########'" ?
[15:18] <ryanakca> wee! sync is filed :D
[15:19] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: seems not.  although the rest uses export
[15:19] <ryanakca> (or does bash interpret foo='bar' as exports?)
[15:19] <Hobbsee> not sure
[15:20] <ryanakca> hmmm... *searches for the request sync bug on LP*
[15:21] <Hobbsee> would be a bash bug, surely.
[15:23] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: there it is... anything you can do for bug 164520 ?
[15:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164520 in k3b-i18n "Please sync k3b-i18n 1.0.4-1  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164520
[15:23] <jeroenvrp> can someone please check my latest addition to Bug #153943 ?
[15:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 153943 in gdebi "Gdebi-kde uses massive amounts of memory!" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153943
[15:23] <Hobbsee> at this time of night?  no :)
[15:24] <ryanakca> :)
[15:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: looks like more trouble.  will give it while i sleep to sort itself out, then will poke it again
[15:32] <Hobbsee> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+builds?build_text=kdepim-kde4&build_state=all does not look right.
[15:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: humbug, it's in main
[15:35] <Hobbsee> ooh, it really is in main.
[15:35] <Hobbsee> rather than just reporting it is
[15:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're going to override all the main ones, then?
[15:36]  * Hobbsee wonders if someone accepted some of them via the LP UI
[15:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the rest all seem to be in universe
[15:39] <s0undt3ch> hello ppl
[15:39] <Hobbsee> right
[15:40] <Riddell> hi s0undt3ch
[15:41] <s0undt3ch> gutsy is still running hal 0.5.9.1?
[15:42] <s0undt3ch> when would 0.5.10 be released? it has for hardy I think
[15:42] <Hobbsee>        hal | 0.5.9.1-6ubuntu5 |         gutsy | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[15:42] <Hobbsee>        hal | 0.5.10-2ubuntu2 |         hardy | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[15:42] <Hobbsee> your'e correct.
[15:42] <nosrednaekim> s0undt3ch: yes, its .5.9.1
[15:42] <Hobbsee> !timebasedreleases
[15:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[15:43] <s0undt3ch> Hobbsee: each version of a package? or a kubuntu release?
[15:43] <Hobbsee> s0undt3ch: huh?
[15:43] <s0undt3ch> know if the temporary-crypt-setup has been solved on .10?
[15:44] <Hobbsee> no idea
[15:44] <s0undt3ch> Hobbsee: you made ubotu show me the release timings, but that's for kubuntu version, ie, gutsy, hardy, correct?
[15:44] <Hobbsee> ah.  yes.
[15:45] <s0undt3ch> k, so, hal .10 can still be included in gutsy
[15:54] <Hobbsee> how do you figure that?
[15:56] <s0undt3ch> I don't, I'm asking
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> s0undt3ch: for a HIGHLY integral app like HAL, version bumps are pretty much prohibited
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> even for bugs.
[15:57] <s0undt3ch> well, my problem got solved, yet, kde still does not handle luks volumes, that's why I'm coding my own, and now works
[15:57] <Hobbsee> s0undt3ch: so you didn't read the factoids, then.
[15:57] <Hobbsee> hmmm, there was a luks patch, too
[15:58] <s0undt3ch> most of the job is done, my app now only listen for cypto devices asks passwd and sends dbus message so hal can unlock the device
[15:58] <s0undt3ch> but the Luks volume FS must be labeled so that mediamanager can ask us to mount it
[15:59] <s0undt3ch> my next step is to also handle truecrypt crypto volumes
[15:59] <s0undt3ch> but hal does not recognize these
[15:59] <s0undt3ch> so that part will be a litle harder
[16:23] <vorian> what is this error?
[16:23] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45472/
[16:35] <apachelogger> vorian: that's not the complete output
[16:35] <apachelogger> you missed the important lines
[16:39] <vorian> apachelogger, oopw
[16:39] <vorian> oopS*
[16:39] <vorian> sheesh
[16:39] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45476/
[16:39] <vorian> can't type
[16:39] <apachelogger> vorian: still not enough :P
[16:40] <apachelogger> just post the last 500 lines or somethin ;-)
[16:40] <vorian> oh boy
[16:40] <vorian> :D
[16:43] <vorian> okie dokie
[16:43] <vorian> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45477/
[16:44] <apachelogger> vorian: are you using -j* with make?
[16:44]  * apachelogger still can't see the error
[16:45]  * apachelogger runs over to jpatrick
[16:45] <vorian> actually
[16:45] <vorian> I'll have to continue this later
[16:45] <apachelogger> jpatrick: dude, dude, dude, I has the most awesome patch for k3b :D
[16:45] <vorian> got to run (angry wife)
[16:46] <apachelogger> vorian: later
[16:46] <jpatrick> apachelogger: you'll have to poke a core-dev
[16:46]  * apachelogger runs over to Riddell
[16:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/164537
[16:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164537 in k3b "k3b missing ffmpeg decoder plugin" [Undecided,New]
[16:50] <jpatrick> apachelogger: it'll be an idea to merge with debian at the same time
[16:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm?
[16:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: ffmpeg being patent encumbered, we can't ship anything using it
[16:53] <nixternal> Riddell: did you get a chance to review that dot article for akademy-es?
[16:54] <Riddell> nixternal: let me look
[16:55] <rouzic> Hi all :)
[16:55] <rouzic> Tm_T: ping
[16:55] <Tm_T> hi
[16:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: hm... so we can have ffmpeg but not link against it? -.-
[16:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[16:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: if it makes loadable modules which can be separated into another package that's a possibility
[16:56] <Riddell> nixternal: KDevelop4 -> KDevelop 4
[16:57] <Riddell> same for koffice
[16:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is
[16:57] <apachelogger> just like with k3b-mp3
[16:57] <apachelogger> there is k3b-ffmpeg
[16:57] <Riddell> W: Unable to locate package k3b-ffmpe
[16:58] <Riddell> W: Unable to locate package k3b-ffmpeg
[16:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, it gets introduced in my debdiff
[16:58] <Riddell> nixternal: looks great
[16:59] <Riddell> nixternal: mind and do the repost thing before posting
[16:59] <nixternal> thanks
[16:59] <nixternal> I will fix the kdev and koffice first
[17:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah, so it does
[17:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: having two encumbered packages seems a bit silly though, maybe a combined k3b-mpeg?
[17:01] <ryanakca> Riddell: k3b-i18n is in launchpad if you want to/can approve / sponsor it...
[17:01]  * jpatrick filed that sync
[17:02] <Riddell> ryanakca: bug number?
[17:02] <ryanakca> bug 164520
[17:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164520 in k3b-i18n "Please sync k3b-i18n 1.0.4-1  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164520
[17:03] <jpatrick> and bug 163383
[17:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 163383 in k3b-i18n "Please sync k3b-i18n 1.0.4-1  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163383
[17:03] <Riddell> hrm, duplicated, fooey
[17:03] <jpatrick> I was first!
[17:04] <ryanakca> jpatrick: Eeegad!
[17:04] <apachelogger> lol
[17:05]  * ryanakca goes for some lunch, bbiab
[17:05]  * apachelogger start wondering about -mpeg
[17:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: isn't ffmpeg supporting much more than just mpeg?
[17:06] <apachelogger> wma for example
[17:06] <Riddell> could be
[17:06] <Riddell> but I can't think of a better name
[17:06] <Riddell> k3b-extracodecs
[17:07] <apachelogger> yeah, that one sounds good
[17:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: shall I create a new diff?
[17:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah
[17:12] <Riddell> nixternal: any idea what the latest dot submition is about?
[17:13] <nixternal> the one that says at the bottom about Aaron telling him to do so?
[17:13] <nixternal> KDE 4 Daily
[17:13] <Riddell> yes
[17:14] <jjesse> so nixternal how much snow did you get?
[17:14] <jjesse> cause we basically had none
[17:14] <Tm_T> meh
[17:14] <nixternal> I have no clue...wasn't something I was going to hop on unless someone said something
[17:14] <nixternal> jjesse: barely a dusting
[17:14] <jjesse> car had some on it that was it
[17:14] <nixternal> same here
[17:14] <nixternal> it all melted last night
[17:14] <nixternal> it was snowing and the temp outside was 38F
[17:15] <Tm_T> we have real winter atm
[17:15] <nixternal> we have fake winter, it is just chilly
[17:15] <jjesse> same here
[17:15] <nixternal> could be like Missouri and Iowa yesterday, they had tornadoes during the day, and snow during the evening
[17:15] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/pics/DSC00031.JPG
[17:15] <Riddell> http://canllaith.org/?p=52 aww, got to love jess
[17:16] <nixternal> Riddell: hehe, you just seen that?
[17:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: :))
[17:16] <jjesse> Tm_T:  nice snow :)
[17:16] <Riddell> although would have been interesting to learn how it is supported
[17:16] <Tm_T> jjesse: see the sun!
[17:16] <nixternal> Tm_T: where do you live? I love them woods with the sun shining through
[17:16] <Tm_T> jjesse: yes, it's in its highest
[17:16] <jjesse> wow
[17:16] <Tm_T> nixternal: eastern Finland
[17:16] <nixternal> nice
[17:19] <jjesse> man i can't believe how cheap some of the computers that are on sale for tomorrow are
[17:22] <nixternal> black friday..but you have to go get in line tonight
[17:22] <jjesse> yeah that's why i'm shopping online
[17:22] <Riddell> why black?
[17:23] <jjesse> beacuse its the day all the stores go in the black and get out of the red
[17:23] <Riddell> doesn't sound like good business practice to be making a loss all year until november :)
[17:24] <jjesse> i don't know if that is still the case but that's why it is called black friday
[17:36] <nixternal> ya, takes you out of the red and into the black in accounting terms
[17:36] <nixternal> Riddell: they are going to be taking a loss this holiday season here as well I think
[17:37] <nixternal> which is good, maybe people will start realizing that the holidays aren't about the gifts, and that there is a deeper meaning behind it all :)
[17:37] <ryanakca> `:)
[17:37]  * nixternal is just a grinch cuz he doesn't get presents
[17:38] <ryanakca> hehe
[17:38]  * ryanakca is sure we can all work something up... everybody put a buck into a pot and buy nixternal a shiny new book :)
[17:41] <nixternal> oooh, make it an encryption book please :D
[17:41] <ryanakca> :D
[17:43]  * ryanakca liked "Crypto"... doesn't go deep into the details, but it's a nice history of cryptography (the great void before the 50s... to late 90s)... and it introduces some concepts/why you want it/etc to newcommers.... :)
[17:45] <Riddell> because there were no computeres before the 50s?
[17:47] <ryanakca> Riddell: hehe,
[17:47] <ryanakca> sure... ok, the great void before the 70s... better?
[17:48]  * ryanakca wonders if mvo would mind if I merged aptitude... I /just/ missed him.... and according to LP, nobody has tackled it yet...
[17:48] <Riddell> could be tricky
[17:48] <Riddell> of course kdiff3 is crying out for a merge
[17:48] <ryanakca> Ah... herm.
[17:49] <ryanakca> kdiff3 it is.
[17:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: already done... bug 164402
[17:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164402 in kdiff3 "Please sync kdiff3 0.9.92-2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164402
[17:51] <Riddell> oh, groovy
[17:51] <Riddell> guess seb will get round to it in a moment
[17:53] <Riddell> ryanakca: koffice might be unclaimed
[17:54]  * ryanakca checks
[17:56] <ryanakca> Riddell: wow, all that's different in aptitude is the control file... new dependency... different maintainer... and that's it :)
[18:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: sounds do-able then
[18:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 164537
[18:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164537 in k3b "k3b missing ffmpeg decoder plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164537
[18:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: yes... if the dependency hasn't been synced, (it doesn't exist in Ubuntu, yet) I guess I have to go requestsync? ( libcwidget-dev )
[18:06] <Riddell> that's a new package ryanakca
[18:07] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder why it hasn't been synced
[18:08]  * ryanakca does too
[18:08] <coreymon77> yay! my gutsy cds came!
[18:08] <Riddell> ryanakca: well you can still to the merge and it'll just not build until cwidget appears in main
[18:08] <ryanakca> :D
[18:08] <ryanakca> ok
[18:08] <coreymon77> so, is rc1 any good?
[18:09] <Riddell> coreymon77: the best KDE 4 so far
[18:09] <coreymon77> havent gotten the chance to try
[18:09] <coreymon77> im just waiting quite impatiently for kde4/mac to come out
[18:11] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ok, one last thing (I hope)... Debian lists libncursesw5-dev as a depends, as well as libcwidget-dev... but, since libcwidget-dev depends on libncursesw5-dev, wouldn't listing libncursesw5-dev be redundent? (aka, can I drop it as a dependency since it's getting pulled by another dependency anyways?)
[18:11] <coreymon77> as good as my mac is, there are still things that i miss from kde
[18:13] <Riddell> ryanakca: anything to stop us just syncing aptitude from debian?
[18:15] <coreymon77> i heard something yesterday about a new konv being out
[18:15] <coreymon77> whats that about?
[18:16] <Riddell> "Konversation 1.1 in the near future"
[18:16] <coreymon77> oh
[18:16] <claydoh> apachelogger: re: bug 164537, will that help enable m4a support?
[18:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 164537 in k3b "k3b missing ffmpeg decoder plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164537
[18:16] <coreymon77> i wonder how long it will take for that to get to macports
[18:16] <apachelogger> claydoh: yep
[18:17] <jpatrick> well, that's the forum troll happy
[18:17] <claydoh> I am seeing a few questions/rants in kubuntuforums on this
[18:17] <claydoh> heh
[18:17] <claydoh> apachelogger: thaks
[18:17] <coreymon77> Riddell: is this the kde4 konv? or just a kde3 konv update?
[18:18] <Riddell> coreymon77: that's kde 3
[18:18] <coreymon77> Riddell: so its still gonna require x11
[18:20] <ryanakca> Riddell: umm... doesn't look like it.
[18:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: just file for a sync then and maybe forward the e-mail to mvo asking him to confirm
[18:23] <ryanakca> Riddell: how do you forward the email generated by requestsync?
[18:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: doesn't launchpad e-mail you about the bug being files?
[18:26] <Riddell> you can just e-mail him directly
[18:26] <ryanakca> yeah :)
[18:26]  * ryanakca pokes requestsync
[18:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: k3b patch looks good, uploading
[18:32] <ryanakca> Anybody have some magic advice for requestsync?
[18:32] <ryanakca> requestsync -s aptitude hardy
[18:32] <ryanakca> aptitude doesn't appear to exist in Debian.
[18:34] <Riddell> ryanakca: I just file bugs manually on the package and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[18:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: :)
[18:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: why do you have your name in the changelog for Czessi's upload?
[18:53] <Riddell> Czessi: sorry, rejected package :(
[19:00] <DaSkreech> Jucato: ping
[19:02] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Do you think there are things that cannot be handled (for legal or political reasons) that can be community provided ?
[19:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: didn't I add "Sponsered for.." ?
[19:07] <Riddell> jpatrick: sure, but why do that?
[19:08] <jpatrick> ah, ok, I'll stop doing it
[19:08] <Riddell> DaSkreech: I don't follow, anything can be community provided
[19:08] <DaSkreech> Riddell: right I know :) but are there areas that it would near impossible for core devs to provide?
[19:09] <Riddell> sure, libdvdcss
[19:09] <DaSkreech> ok :)
[19:09] <Riddell> well, that can't go in universe either really
[19:10] <DaSkreech> I was thinking that it may be helpful to give support to a community of kinda rogue developers who don't need approval
[19:10] <DaSkreech> Kinda in line with the gathering of wallpaper packs that kwwii and I were discussin
[19:12] <Riddell> if it can be supported it should be done in the normal way
[19:14] <DaSkreech> Yes I agree
[19:45] <yuriy> 3
[19:45] <Tm_T> no, 5
[19:46]  * yuriy wishes X could detect accidental touchpad taps while typing
[20:10]  * genii sips some coffee
[20:11] <Tm_T> !coffee
[20:11] <ubotu> coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[20:11] <genii> OK, a question thats been bothering me a while now. Any way to have gnome, kde and xfce NOT use the same desktops configs and share menu items, etc etc?
[20:11] <genii> Tm_T: :)
[20:11]  * DaSkreech laughs
[20:12] <Tm_T> ah, menu items, that
[20:12] <Tm_T> that is million dollar question
[20:12] <DaSkreech> genii: sure it's in the spec for the menus No one ever uses it though
[20:12] <DaSkreech> It's part of freedesktop
[20:12] <Tm_T> yup
[20:12] <genii> Hmm
[20:13] <genii> Because my usual habit is to install the gnome shipit cd/dvd then do of course kubuntu/xubuntu desktop install. but all the menus and desktops get mushed together etc etc
[20:14] <DaSkreech> yeah I should talkto someone to see that's an option in KDE4
[20:15] <genii> freedesktop available in 3.5.8 or so?
[20:15] <genii> or is it more of a specification
[20:17]  * genii googles
[20:18] <genii> Hmm. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeDesktop   "This page does not exist yet" etc
[20:19] <DaSkreech> :-)
[20:20] <DaSkreech> http://www.freedesktop.org/
[20:20] <DaSkreech> A bit more like it
[20:20] <genii> going there now :)
[20:20] <DaSkreech> My friend was writing a patch for Gnome
[20:20] <DaSkreech>  The main reason he doesn't want to try KDE is that it will mess up his menu
[20:20] <genii> So it's what allows kde3 and kde4 to have separate discrete menu areas, desktops, etc etc?
[20:21] <genii> nvm, reading :)
[20:22] <genii> It's frustratingly un-enlightening
[20:23] <claydoh> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/?content=31031
[20:24] <claydoh> and
[20:24] <claydoh> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/?content=31035
[20:24] <claydoh> for an option on the menu mess
[20:25] <genii> Ah, thanks
[20:30] <lucentdream> hello, can someone please confirm/disprove that konsole4 (rc1) is *very* sluggish? (e.g. compare "time cat /var/log/messages" to konsole3 times or run mc and scroll around) esp. with bitmap fonts? (discussion in #kde4-devel ongoing ;-)
[20:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks
[20:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: ick! cwidget doesn't feel like building in hardy... herm.
[20:57] <ryanakca> ... which would probably explain why it hasn't been synced into hardy yet.
[21:00] <DaSkreech> lucentdream: What's the argument about?
[21:07] <lucentdream> DaSkreech: konsole4 is ~4-5 times slower with vector fonts and ~20-30 times slower with bitmap fonts on my computer compared to konsole3
[21:07] <DaSkreech> That's atouch slower
[21:07] <lucentdream> and it's actually supposed to be faster than konsole3 ;-)
[21:07] <DaSkreech> Yes I recall
[21:09] <lucentdream> DaSkreech: could you test-drive it please? (with terminus font e.g.).. because it's not clear where the actual culprit lies :(
[21:09] <DaSkreech> I don't have any machines with both on it right now
[21:10] <DaSkreech> one <---- with kde4 and one 127.0.0.1 with kde3
[21:11] <lucentdream> well given the factor of 20 with bitmap fonts you should notice it with out a bias :-)
[21:12] <DaSkreech> It seems to work ok for me
[21:12] <lucentdream> hmpf.. there has to be a reasonable explanation :(
[21:14] <ryanakca> lucentdream: never... it's all in your head :D ... that's odd... I'll test it out for you when the RC1 packages are done :)
[21:15] <DaSkreech> They aren't ?
[21:16] <lucentdream> argh.. well it has to be my X server
[21:16] <lucentdream> i just started konsole4 on a remote host and it's actually much faster than on ":0" ...sick
[21:16] <lucentdream> (given that konsole3 is reasonable fast)
[21:17] <lucentdream> and both run gutsy :P
[21:18] <ryanakca> lucentdream: hmm... so you're saying that it's just your comp?
[21:21] <DaSkreech> Well isn't konsole the slowest of the standard terminals ?
[21:22] <DaSkreech> lucentdream: not to mention I recall a recent planet post with the relative speed of konsole4
[21:22] <lucentdream> DaSkreech: if only "gnome-terminal" and "konsole" fall under standard terminals, yes ;)
[21:22] <lucentdream> if xterm, aterm, * counts.. no ;)
[21:22] <DaSkreech> and xterm
[21:22] <DaSkreech> who ships with aterm ?
[21:22] <lucentdream> dunno.. just a random term that popped in my head ;)
[21:24] <lucentdream> DaSkreech: http://martin.ankerl.com/files/term-bench.png
[21:24]  * DaSkreech eyes lucentdream
[21:24] <stdin> hmm, I think I've come up with a script that should remove my ppa packages in favour of the ubuntu packaged version (doesn't actually do it yet tho). someone (decent with shell scripts) want to take a look and give back any thoughts? http://stdin.pastebin.com/d2dc1d9b1
[21:24] <DaSkreech> :-(
[21:24] <DaSkreech> that reminds me gwenview doesn't work in kde4
[22:29] <CPrgmSwR2> stdin: so you may become a member of kubuntu... cool?
[22:29] <stdin> hopefully ;)
[22:29] <CPrgmSwR2> If I was a council I would vote for you
[22:30] <stdin> thanks :)
[23:44] <jjesse> mmm turkey dinner
[23:44] <jjesse> stdin: you have my vote as well
[23:45] <stdin> :)
[23:50] <Tm_T> meh