| levander | What am I gonna miss out on if I install ubuntu-desktop and then mythtv instead of just install mythbuntu-desktop without ubuntu-desktop? | 04:33 |
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| Dr_willis | Proberly not much | 04:34 |
| Dr_willis | thats how i did it. :) the auto-login may not be set up by default. | 04:35 |
| levander | Dr_willis: how'd you get the auto-login setup? | 04:35 |
| Dr_willis | I dident. I dont want auto loging in. :) | 04:38 |
| Dr_willis | its a gdm setting however. not too hard to set up | 04:38 |
| levander | yeah, i should stop being lazy asking people and just figure it out | 04:39 |
| levander | i tell you, i'm worn on from learning how to install myth though | 04:39 |
| levander | first, i had to figure out my NIC driver was causing my machien to crash | 04:39 |
| levander | then, i had to figure out the graphics card I had wasn't what it was labelled to be | 04:39 |
| levander | nightmares | 04:39 |
| levander | it's a bunch of old hardware i threw together | 04:40 |
| superm1 | um mythbuntu-desktop doesn't setup the auto login | 04:40 |
| superm1 | you should still install it | 04:40 |
| superm1 | it pulls in mcc | 04:40 |
| superm1 | and the mythbuntu env | 04:41 |
| superm1 | and the lirc generator | 04:41 |
| superm1 | and the artwork and stuff | 04:41 |
| superm1 | you can turn on the auto login in mcc if you so please | 04:41 |
| levander | I guess I figured installing mythbuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu-desktop would be the same as installing kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu-desktop | 04:41 |
| superm1 | well yes and no | 04:42 |
| levander | Installing mythbuntu-desktop, won't that pull in all the XFCE stuff, and make that the default environment? | 04:42 |
| superm1 | it wont make it the default environment | 04:42 |
| superm1 | but yes it will pull in the xfce desktop | 04:42 |
| levander | One of the developers was in here telling which package to install before I had all these nightmares with this hardware. Wish I remember what he said. | 04:43 |
| superm1 | grep your logs? | 04:43 |
| superm1 | was it me? | 04:43 |
| levander | superm1: might have been, don't remember | 04:43 |
| superm1 | i mean you can also go about it installing mcc | 04:44 |
| superm1 | and start from there | 04:44 |
| levander | not sure what keywords i'd search for | 04:44 |
| levander | what's the package name for mcc? | 04:44 |
| superm1 | mythbuntu-control-centre | 04:45 |
| levander | mythbuntu-control-center doesn't pull in mythtv-backend-master or mythtv-frontend | 04:45 |
| superm1 | no it doesn't | 04:46 |
| superm1 | you install those from inside mcc | 04:46 |
| superm1 | and it handles configuring them for you in there too | 04:46 |
| levander | i'm thinking i'm best off doing what Dr_willis was saying, and just make sure I get everything. | 04:46 |
| Dr_willis | You can easially install Mythubuntu and then install some other desktops. :) ive done it both ways | 04:46 |
| levander | It doesn't look like the developers have really pulled out a package and said, "This is the one you install if you just want to run myth on top of ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop | 04:48 |
| levander | Dr_willis: mythbuntu-desktop first, and then ubuntu-desktop? yeah, that's maybe what I should do | 04:48 |
| superm1 | well that's what mythbuntu-desktop is | 04:49 |
| superm1 | it covers your ends no matter what you want to do | 04:49 |
| superm1 | for some people its too much, but it gets everything you "may" need | 04:49 |
| superm1 | and you can always remove stuff later | 04:49 |
| levander | superm1: if i already have ubuntu-desktop, and then install mythbuntu-desktop, with it change my default environment from Gnome to XFCE? | 04:50 |
| superm1 | no it wont change it | 04:50 |
| superm1 | if you want to change it you can | 04:50 |
| superm1 | but it wont change it for you | 04:50 |
| Dr_willis | levander, if you use the Mythbuntu cd to install. then yuy have mythbuntu-desktop allready. :) | 04:50 |
| levander | superm1: If you remove stuff mythbuntu-desktop depends on, you have to remove mythbuntu-desktop too. It defeats the purpose of the meta-package for updating. | 04:50 |
| superm1 | levander, well that's why for hardy a lot of the stuff will be made recommends | 04:51 |
| superm1 | because recommends are installed by default as of hardy | 04:51 |
| superm1 | so it will still pull everything but let you safely remove stuff that isn't necessary for your purposes | 04:51 |
| levander | wow, that's a big change in Ubuntu, I'm really surprised they're installing Recommends automatically | 04:51 |
| superm1 | i was in the BoF talking about it at UDS | 04:52 |
| superm1 | it is a pretty controversial decision indeed | 04:52 |
| levander | superm1: Ah, now I understand installing Recommends | 04:52 |
| levander | What's a BoF, a UDS? | 04:52 |
| superm1 | haha. BoF = Birds of a Feather (smaller discussion) | 04:52 |
| superm1 | UDS is the Ubuntu Developers Summit | 04:52 |
| levander | You work for Canonical? | 04:53 |
| superm1 | nope. | 04:53 |
| superm1 | this all out of free time | 04:53 |
| superm1 | (probably more than i should put in, but eh :)) | 04:53 |
| levander | With so many people volunteering and doing free work for Ubuntu, it's like they're going to be morally obligated to donate any money they ever might make to charity. | 04:54 |
| levander | Never has a company gotten so many free workers. | 04:54 |
| superm1 | its a weird addition | 04:54 |
| superm1 | addiction that is | 04:54 |
| levander | superm1: But, you're probably developing relationships that will benefit you later on. | 04:54 |
| levander | Relationships are terribly important in business world. | 04:54 |
| superm1 | levander, yeah i'm hoping so | 04:54 |
| levander | superm1: Next time you need a job, you'll have at least hundreds of people in the Ubuntu community who know who you are. | 04:55 |
| levander | brb | 04:55 |
| superm1 | levander, well next time (first time) is actually coming up really soon. I graduate this December :) | 04:55 |
| levander | need to be asking now who needs work done | 04:58 |
| Dr_willis | or learn 'do you want fries with that sir?' | 04:59 |
| Dr_willis | :) | 04:59 |
| superm1 | haha | 04:59 |
| levander | superm1: Is it mostly college kids running around doing the Ubuntu stuff? Or, is it more mixed? Like, what's the percentage of college kids? | 04:59 |
| superm1 | levander, its very very mixed | 04:59 |
| superm1 | most the people i've worked with are older though | 04:59 |
| levander | superm1: What were the ages of the people at the BoF you were talking about? | 04:59 |
| superm1 | but people range at least afaik from 14-50 | 04:59 |
| superm1 | 30's | 04:59 |
| * Dr_willis is old. I started college in 1986 :) | 04:59 | |
| levander | those guys ought to be able to get you work, if they're in they're thirties | 05:00 |
| levander | they're in their** | 05:00 |
| superm1 | well i've got several companies i'm waiting on offers for | 05:00 |
| Dr_willis | they can outsource the work to you! | 05:00 |
| superm1 | for closer to the things i've gone to school | 05:00 |
| levander | yeah, comp sci is a good field, it's about as good as you can do with a 4 year degree | 05:00 |
| superm1 | EE actually :) | 05:00 |
| levander | EE is about as good from what i've read | 05:00 |
| levander | but, i don't know much about EE | 05:01 |
| Dr_willis | Heh.. keep an open mind - I got an "Agriacultural Engineering" Degree.. and i work for Chrysler. | 05:01 |
| levander | superm1: What city you in? | 05:01 |
| superm1 | Ames | 05:01 |
| Dr_willis | Because i had a broad area of knowledge. got me a good job there. | 05:01 |
| superm1 | (IA) | 05:01 |
| superm1 | ha really Dr_willis | 05:01 |
| levander | What city you think you're gonna end up working in? | 05:01 |
| superm1 | levander, i've been interviewing all over the country | 05:01 |
| Dr_willis | Programing CNC/Machining tools - is.. interesting work. | 05:01 |
| superm1 | texas, cali, mn | 05:01 |
| Dr_willis | When you program somthing that can wreck and cause MAJOR damage.. thats fun! | 05:02 |
| Dr_willis | Egads the things ive seen Robots do. | 05:02 |
| Dr_willis | Im talking robots that can take your head off.. or toss a Car Engine 100+ ft.. | 05:03 |
| superm1 | haha | 05:03 |
| superm1 | what sorts of code do you write for them? | 05:03 |
| Dr_willis | I dont code.. i fix the robots. :) | 05:05 |
| Dr_willis | and other parts. | 05:05 |
| Dr_willis | I tear them apart replace the gears/ belts/bearings so forth. | 05:05 |
| Dr_willis | and other machines. I fix them when the programer messes up. | 05:05 |
| superm1 | ah | 05:05 |
| Dr_willis | saw a - sign get in the wrong place once... That was a lot of sparks and grinding also. heh heh... | 05:05 |
| Dr_willis | Its amazing the abuse that Industral machines can take. | 05:06 |
| Dr_willis | its really really amazing when i see the Electrians throwing Dry Ice into a Computer/controlpanel for a machine.. to cool it down in the summer time. | 05:06 |
| Dr_willis | $1 million doller drill machine.. and we cool it with dry ice. | 05:07 |
| superm1 | lol | 05:07 |
| Dr_willis | yes.. I will say that programing for "industry" is very interesting stuff. | 05:08 |
| Dr_willis | a whole different thing then programing web apps and so forth. | 05:08 |
| directhex|bsp | it r me! | 09:13 |
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| Dabian | The keyboard locks up in "mythtv-setup" making it hard (if not impossible) to switch to the console during setup of "video sources" | 16:13 |
| wilberfan | morning room... | 16:48 |
| wilberfan | i just discovered my tvout works--but only during boot-up..... What's the trick to getting it to work after x starts? | 16:49 |
| wilberfan | if i installed mythbuntu with the tv on during install....?? | 16:49 |
| wilberfan | or, does anyone know what the Xorg would look like for NTSC? | 16:49 |
| hasse_ | hey, i hav installed the mythbuntu, and everything was fine, i have updated to the weekly builds, and now i miss the libmythbuntu-0.20.2 pack, where to find that ? | 17:36 |
| scarter | i have multiple tuner cards and at every reboot, the cards change position. can someone point me to a FAQ or HOWTO that will assist me in solving this issue? | 21:21 |
| JThundley | I had that happen when I plugged in a webcam | 21:26 |
| RAdam1 | Hi all. Trying to enable mouse support in my MythTV frontend. How do I do this? | 21:27 |
| JThundley | maybe put a script in /etc/rc.local to delete the device files and recreate them the way you want them | 21:27 |
| JThundley | I think there's a way you can do it with udev rules too, that'd probably be smarter | 21:27 |
| RAdam1 | I just need to use a mouse to click on the menus, buttons, etc. I have a pretty vanilla mythbuntu install | 21:28 |
| RAdam1 | I'm on that box now | 21:28 |
| scarter | RAdam1: on the second page of the frontend "Setup -> Appearance" is a checkbox for "Hide Mouse Cursor in Myth", un-check it. | 21:29 |
| scarter | JThundley: thanks, i'll look into that | 21:30 |
| RAdam1 | scarter: thanks | 21:31 |
| scarter | JThundley: would that be something like abcd:1234 = /dev/videoX | 21:31 |
| JThundley | I say I think there's a way because I've never dicked with udev rules before, I have no idea | 21:31 |
| JThundley | I gave up on the webcam and rebooted with it unplugged, problem was solved for me | 21:32 |
| scarter | JThundley: ok... ;) i don't have a webcam installed, yet, was going to but until i can figure out how to keep /dev/videoX with its correct tuner, i don't want to add anything else | 21:33 |
| JThundley | my webcam took over /dev/video0 which bumped my tv tuner to /dev/video1, mythbackend got confused and wouldn't record or delete anything | 21:34 |
| JThundley | it was pretty funky | 21:34 |
| scarter | JThundley: yeah, every reboot, i have to go into the backend setup and re-assign the cards to their correct videoX detected position | 21:35 |
| JThundley | is it detected differently each time? | 21:36 |
| JThundley | I mean, if you do have two cards in there and it consistently detects the tuners the same, just change it in mythbackend and you'll be able to live with it, right? | 21:36 |
| scarter | JThundley: for the non-DVB cards (i.e. SD Tuners) | 21:36 |
| scarter | JThundley: however, i've got another DVB (HDTV Card) i want to add but am guessing that the same thing will happen with them | 21:37 |
| JThundley | looks like udev rules is what you want: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#why | 21:40 |
| JThundley | Provide an alternative/persistent name for a device node by creating a symbolic link to the default device node | 21:40 |
| JThundley | wait... that doesn't sound right | 21:40 |
| JThundley | oh wait, yes it does | 21:40 |
| JThundley | damn, I gotta set this up | 21:41 |
| JThundley | I have that exact problem with plugging in usb devices and the device changing based on which is plugged in first | 21:41 |
| JThundley | I have to unmount and re-plug in my stuff because it breaks my scripts :) | 21:41 |
| scarter | JThundley: i'm looking now too, i think you're right and that's what i need to do... | 22:10 |
| JThundley | I'm going to read that document later, so share your findings or troubles :) | 22:28 |
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