[04:33] What am I gonna miss out on if I install ubuntu-desktop and then mythtv instead of just install mythbuntu-desktop without ubuntu-desktop? [04:34] Proberly not much [04:35] thats how i did it. :) the auto-login may not be set up by default. [04:35] Dr_willis: how'd you get the auto-login setup? [04:38] I dident. I dont want auto loging in. :) [04:38] its a gdm setting however. not too hard to set up [04:39] yeah, i should stop being lazy asking people and just figure it out [04:39] i tell you, i'm worn on from learning how to install myth though [04:39] first, i had to figure out my NIC driver was causing my machien to crash [04:39] then, i had to figure out the graphics card I had wasn't what it was labelled to be [04:39] nightmares [04:40] it's a bunch of old hardware i threw together [04:40] um mythbuntu-desktop doesn't setup the auto login [04:40] you should still install it [04:40] it pulls in mcc [04:41] and the mythbuntu env [04:41] and the lirc generator [04:41] and the artwork and stuff [04:41] you can turn on the auto login in mcc if you so please [04:41] I guess I figured installing mythbuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu-desktop would be the same as installing kubuntu-desktop over ubuntu-desktop [04:42] well yes and no [04:42] Installing mythbuntu-desktop, won't that pull in all the XFCE stuff, and make that the default environment? [04:42] it wont make it the default environment [04:42] but yes it will pull in the xfce desktop [04:43] One of the developers was in here telling which package to install before I had all these nightmares with this hardware. Wish I remember what he said. [04:43] grep your logs? [04:43] was it me? [04:43] superm1: might have been, don't remember [04:44] i mean you can also go about it installing mcc [04:44] and start from there [04:44] not sure what keywords i'd search for [04:44] what's the package name for mcc? [04:45] mythbuntu-control-centre [04:45] mythbuntu-control-center doesn't pull in mythtv-backend-master or mythtv-frontend [04:46] no it doesn't [04:46] you install those from inside mcc [04:46] and it handles configuring them for you in there too [04:46] i'm thinking i'm best off doing what Dr_willis was saying, and just make sure I get everything. [04:46] You can easially install Mythubuntu and then install some other desktops. :) ive done it both ways [04:48] It doesn't look like the developers have really pulled out a package and said, "This is the one you install if you just want to run myth on top of ubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop [04:48] Dr_willis: mythbuntu-desktop first, and then ubuntu-desktop? yeah, that's maybe what I should do [04:49] well that's what mythbuntu-desktop is [04:49] it covers your ends no matter what you want to do [04:49] for some people its too much, but it gets everything you "may" need [04:49] and you can always remove stuff later [04:50] superm1: if i already have ubuntu-desktop, and then install mythbuntu-desktop, with it change my default environment from Gnome to XFCE? [04:50] no it wont change it [04:50] if you want to change it you can [04:50] but it wont change it for you [04:50] levander, if you use the Mythbuntu cd to install. then yuy have mythbuntu-desktop allready. :) [04:50] superm1: If you remove stuff mythbuntu-desktop depends on, you have to remove mythbuntu-desktop too. It defeats the purpose of the meta-package for updating. [04:51] levander, well that's why for hardy a lot of the stuff will be made recommends [04:51] because recommends are installed by default as of hardy [04:51] so it will still pull everything but let you safely remove stuff that isn't necessary for your purposes [04:51] wow, that's a big change in Ubuntu, I'm really surprised they're installing Recommends automatically [04:52] i was in the BoF talking about it at UDS [04:52] it is a pretty controversial decision indeed [04:52] superm1: Ah, now I understand installing Recommends [04:52] What's a BoF, a UDS? [04:52] haha. BoF = Birds of a Feather (smaller discussion) [04:52] UDS is the Ubuntu Developers Summit [04:53] You work for Canonical? [04:53] nope. [04:53] this all out of free time [04:53] (probably more than i should put in, but eh :)) [04:54] With so many people volunteering and doing free work for Ubuntu, it's like they're going to be morally obligated to donate any money they ever might make to charity. [04:54] Never has a company gotten so many free workers. [04:54] its a weird addition [04:54] addiction that is [04:54] superm1: But, you're probably developing relationships that will benefit you later on. [04:54] Relationships are terribly important in business world. [04:54] levander, yeah i'm hoping so [04:55] superm1: Next time you need a job, you'll have at least hundreds of people in the Ubuntu community who know who you are. [04:55] brb [04:55] levander, well next time (first time) is actually coming up really soon. I graduate this December :) [04:58] need to be asking now who needs work done [04:59] or learn 'do you want fries with that sir?' [04:59] :) [04:59] haha [04:59] superm1: Is it mostly college kids running around doing the Ubuntu stuff? Or, is it more mixed? Like, what's the percentage of college kids? [04:59] levander, its very very mixed [04:59] most the people i've worked with are older though [04:59] superm1: What were the ages of the people at the BoF you were talking about? [04:59] but people range at least afaik from 14-50 [04:59] 30's [04:59] * Dr_willis is old. I started college in 1986 :) [05:00] those guys ought to be able to get you work, if they're in they're thirties [05:00] they're in their** [05:00] well i've got several companies i'm waiting on offers for [05:00] they can outsource the work to you! [05:00] for closer to the things i've gone to school [05:00] yeah, comp sci is a good field, it's about as good as you can do with a 4 year degree [05:00] EE actually :) [05:00] EE is about as good from what i've read [05:01] but, i don't know much about EE [05:01] Heh.. keep an open mind - I got an "Agriacultural Engineering" Degree.. and i work for Chrysler. [05:01] superm1: What city you in? [05:01] Ames [05:01] Because i had a broad area of knowledge. got me a good job there. [05:01] (IA) [05:01] ha really Dr_willis [05:01] What city you think you're gonna end up working in? [05:01] levander, i've been interviewing all over the country [05:01] Programing CNC/Machining tools - is.. interesting work. [05:01] texas, cali, mn [05:02] When you program somthing that can wreck and cause MAJOR damage.. thats fun! [05:02] Egads the things ive seen Robots do. [05:03] Im talking robots that can take your head off.. or toss a Car Engine 100+ ft.. [05:03] haha [05:03] what sorts of code do you write for them? [05:05] I dont code.. i fix the robots. :) [05:05] and other parts. [05:05] I tear them apart replace the gears/ belts/bearings so forth. [05:05] and other machines. I fix them when the programer messes up. [05:05] ah [05:05] saw a - sign get in the wrong place once... That was a lot of sparks and grinding also. heh heh... [05:06] Its amazing the abuse that Industral machines can take. [05:06] its really really amazing when i see the Electrians throwing Dry Ice into a Computer/controlpanel for a machine.. to cool it down in the summer time. [05:07] $1 million doller drill machine.. and we cool it with dry ice. [05:07] lol [05:08] yes.. I will say that programing for "industry" is very interesting stuff. [05:08] a whole different thing then programing web apps and so forth. [09:13] it r me! === bheil__ is now known as bheil [16:13] The keyboard locks up in "mythtv-setup" making it hard (if not impossible) to switch to the console during setup of "video sources" [16:48] morning room... [16:49] i just discovered my tvout works--but only during boot-up..... What's the trick to getting it to work after x starts? [16:49] if i installed mythbuntu with the tv on during install....?? [16:49] or, does anyone know what the Xorg would look like for NTSC? [17:36] hey, i hav installed the mythbuntu, and everything was fine, i have updated to the weekly builds, and now i miss the libmythbuntu-0.20.2 pack, where to find that ? [21:21] i have multiple tuner cards and at every reboot, the cards change position. can someone point me to a FAQ or HOWTO that will assist me in solving this issue? [21:26] I had that happen when I plugged in a webcam [21:27] Hi all. Trying to enable mouse support in my MythTV frontend. How do I do this? [21:27] maybe put a script in /etc/rc.local to delete the device files and recreate them the way you want them [21:27] I think there's a way you can do it with udev rules too, that'd probably be smarter [21:28] I just need to use a mouse to click on the menus, buttons, etc. I have a pretty vanilla mythbuntu install [21:28] I'm on that box now [21:29] RAdam1: on the second page of the frontend "Setup -> Appearance" is a checkbox for "Hide Mouse Cursor in Myth", un-check it. [21:30] JThundley: thanks, i'll look into that [21:31] scarter: thanks [21:31] JThundley: would that be something like abcd:1234 = /dev/videoX [21:31] I say I think there's a way because I've never dicked with udev rules before, I have no idea [21:32] I gave up on the webcam and rebooted with it unplugged, problem was solved for me [21:33] JThundley: ok... ;) i don't have a webcam installed, yet, was going to but until i can figure out how to keep /dev/videoX with its correct tuner, i don't want to add anything else [21:34] my webcam took over /dev/video0 which bumped my tv tuner to /dev/video1, mythbackend got confused and wouldn't record or delete anything [21:34] it was pretty funky [21:35] JThundley: yeah, every reboot, i have to go into the backend setup and re-assign the cards to their correct videoX detected position [21:36] is it detected differently each time? [21:36] I mean, if you do have two cards in there and it consistently detects the tuners the same, just change it in mythbackend and you'll be able to live with it, right? [21:36] JThundley: for the non-DVB cards (i.e. SD Tuners) [21:37] JThundley: however, i've got another DVB (HDTV Card) i want to add but am guessing that the same thing will happen with them [21:40] looks like udev rules is what you want: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#why [21:40] Provide an alternative/persistent name for a device node by creating a symbolic link to the default device node [21:40] wait... that doesn't sound right [21:40] oh wait, yes it does [21:41] damn, I gotta set this up [21:41] I have that exact problem with plugging in usb devices and the device changing based on which is plugged in first [21:41] I have to unmount and re-plug in my stuff because it breaks my scripts :) [22:10] JThundley: i'm looking now too, i think you're right and that's what i need to do... [22:28] I'm going to read that document later, so share your findings or troubles :)