[00:00] (by the way, commands like the one above are logged, and i urge you *not* to use them :) === qmario__ is now known as QMario [00:06] LjL, Any chance of only getting them listenning to ubuntu cloaks or so? [00:07] PriceChild, those debug commands will be removed completely when they get operational [00:07] k [00:07] and if someone without an ubuntu cloak somehow gets to know about them and uses them, well, we have plenty of free slots in the ban list :P [00:11] so anyone *with* an ubuntu cloak can use it and not be banned? [00:11] i didn't say that... [00:11] i said i urge you all to not use them :P [00:11] Seeker`: the bots will need 0 interaction once they're polished and rolling [00:12] * Seeker` doesn't have an ubuntu cloak [00:12] Seeker`, really doesn't matter... [00:12] I was confused earlier. [00:12] Seeker`, the idea is, you use them, i LART you, ubuntu cloak or not :> [00:13] PriceChild: only earlier? [00:13] LjL: :P [00:13] cs lart Seeker` [00:13] gah damn / key.... just too far [00:13] woo for laziness! [00:14] * Seeker` wonders if he should bother applying for membership [00:16] woo for laziness! (x2) [00:17] is there any benifit? [00:17] you get a shiny email address, a shiny cloak [00:17] hmm...shiny [00:17] sounds tempting [00:18] and increased responsibility [00:18] he asked about benefits [00:18] nalioth: What responsibility will it give? [00:19] Seeker`: it won't give any. it will expect it [00:19] what expectations will there be then? [00:21] for you to be an upstanding example of Ubuntu Community Member [00:21] Abide by the Codes of Conduct [00:23] * Seeker` tries to do that anyway [00:23] * ajmitch does that most days [00:23] or at least I try to [00:25] both of those things seem to be a subset of "behaving like a reasonable, decent person" [00:33] so, you need a significant & sustained contribution to Ubuntu in some fashion to get membership - I'm fairly sure you'll have that [00:36] ajmitch: I wrote mootbot, I'm an op in -uk, and i hang around in here [00:39] put your name forward on the CC agenda then & try & turn up at a meeting [00:42] is that enough to get membership? [00:43] Or show up at a meeting and watch who gets membership and what their qualifcations are [00:44] or get a gmail account, that's notoriously more l33t than an ubuntu account, and just respect the CoC anyway [00:45] lol [00:52] :O [00:53] LjL: I'm already l337 enough [00:53] =) [00:54] I bet mneptok's been reading up on channel modes for the past couple of hours trying to figure out how to make that joke.... :P [00:54] hah [00:54] * Seeker` writes C and Assembler for fun (and, someday, profit) [00:56] * LjL suspects mneptok is now thinking of a revenge [00:57] LjL, erm... why haven't the floodbots changed the limit :P [00:57] PriceChild, they keep track of limits *they* set, not that someone else sets [00:57] ah right [00:58] they'll change it when the number of users in #ubuntu changes enough [00:58] wouldn't it be a good idea to monitor the current +l? [00:58] rather than rely on an internal representation [01:00] Seeker`: why? if an op sets a different +l, they'll have their reasons [01:00] but it will be reverted by the bot as soon as the number of users changes by x [01:00] where x is small [01:01] well yes [01:01] if the op doesn't want that to happen, they can deop the bot [01:05] and the bot will reop [01:06] and it'll be a nice tug-o-war [01:06] nalioth, they don't [01:06] * ajmitch spots a mneptok [01:06] LjL, said... :P [01:06] *waits a little* [01:06] nalioth, they only reop if they smell an emergency, otherwise they won't [01:06] * mneptok ducks behind a nalioth [01:06] * Seeker` wonders what emergencies smell like [01:07] well [01:07] they smell like... [01:07] this [01:07] Whats to stop someone flooding off a floodbot? [01:07] and then flooding #ubuntu [01:07] *wonders how easy that is [01:08] PriceChild, they don't reply to CTCPs, they mostly don't reply to anything [01:08] if a floodbot is flooded off, then the limit will remain the same [01:08] so it will stop lots of people joining [01:08] Seeker`, no.... the limit is removed [01:08] Seeker`: no, because the other bots will get +o and set -l [01:08] Seeker`, see above [01:08] PriceChild: Well, it depends on whether the flood one or many [01:09] s/the/they [01:09] Seeker`, feel free to try to flood them [01:09] (NOT using the debug commands, that's cheating, and those will disappear) [01:09] where are they hosted>/ [01:09] Seeker`: like i'd tell you :) [01:10] LjL: I meant is it a personal net connection? or somewhere with a "proper" connection? [01:10] Seeker`: somewhere. [01:10] PriceChild: they're not irc bots at all. [01:11] nalioth, pardon? [01:11] LjL: If its a personal net connection, it would probably be easier to DOS the bots rather than flood them [01:11] Seeker`: if you know what host they're on perhaps. [01:11] PriceChild: the bots can't be attacked directly as they are not irc aware (like an irc client or supybot) [01:12] ahhhh ok [01:12] so you would need to know their ip to directly attack them? [01:12] PriceChild: only by flooding their hosts [01:12] and then they're just as vulnerable as anyone else [01:12] PriceChild, maybe there is some way to flood them, but i can't think of any. people are generally flooded off IRC using CTCPs [01:12] does PING go via the IRC servers, or directly to the hosts? [01:12] but these bots don't reply to CTCPs [01:12] but there are multiple bots on multiple hosts [01:12] I know how irc works.... honestly :) [01:13] i.e. Can you find the IP by sending CTCP pings to the host, and monitoring the outgoing packets for a destination IP? [01:13] PriceChild, i'm just saying, i can't think of a way to flood them, given they don't reply to CTCPs. i might be wrong and there could be some trick. feel free to try and find one, it'll only be useful to know. [01:13] Seeker`, CTCP is just PRIVMSG [01:13] (or NOTICE) [01:14] nothing fancy, just an IRC message [01:14] so it goes via the servers then [01:14] course [01:15] hmm# [01:16] Haha.... [01:16] only dcc goes client<->client [01:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC_floods [01:16] first image on the right... Flameviper [01:16] ok, could you do what I suggested with DCC? [01:16] Seeker`: no, they'd have to accept the dcc connection (via ctcp) [01:16] Seeker`: these floodbots are written in php. they do not conform to any irc standards [01:17] says you >: [01:17] they do a single task and once they get polished and into #ubuntu for real, they'll not be accessible from irc at all [01:17] nalioth: I was wondering if there was a "trick" to find out the IP address of someone that is cloaked [01:17] Seeker`: no tricks. [01:17] wouldn't be much point in a cloak otherwise :p [01:18] well, if "someone" accepts DCCs... [01:18] stdin: No system is perfect [01:21] * Seeker` doesn't know a huge amount about the inner workings of irc...yet [01:22] it's nothing special. what you type in the client is roughly the actual underlying protocol. [01:27] hmm [01:27] is there anything I can learn about to be more "useful"? [01:27] multi-user telnet [01:27] Seeker`: learning is useful in itself [01:29] nalioth: agreed, but are there any specific topics that would make me more useful here? [01:29] Nothing really... just doing stuff. [01:30] Its not like jobs get done in this channel... [01:30] We just make decisions, and talk about things. [01:31] yes, 'things' :) [01:32] stuff, things, you know what I mean. [01:33] * Seeker` does "stuff" then [02:04] * mneptok stuffs Hobbsee with things [02:04] :o [02:05] "context is for wusses." - mneptok, on the Canonical quotes page [02:05] heh [02:05] * Hobbsee smacks mneptok [02:10] hmm [02:11] I really should go to bed - I have a lecture to be in in 7 hours. [02:11] But bed is so far away [02:34] !ops | Mass join [02:35] !ops | Mass join [02:36] In ubotu, nikosA said: What is that? [02:36] AndrewB called the ops in #ubuntu () [02:36] _zach_ called the ops in #ubuntu () [02:36] Ashfire908 called the ops in #ubuntu () [02:36] /mode +d *w00t* [02:36] it will help [02:36] let me join the fricking channel, you idiots. [02:36] ah well. [02:37] please use +r and +R [02:37] +m and +i are to be used only in extreme circumstances [02:38] good test for the floodbots, you know they detect the mas-joins [02:38] umm, who made Pelo and op in #ubuntu? [02:39] never heard of him before, and he doesn't seem to understand what is going on [02:39] nixternal: didn't you get the memo? [02:39] can't say that I did [02:39] or it is in the queue with the other 200 emails [02:41] my question is "why isn't pelo in here?" [02:43] Probably because he disconnected.. [02:43] ..but he should have been in here before that, yes. [02:43] Pici: no, he was in #ubuntu during this attack, but not here at all. [02:44] nalioth: I know. [02:44] Pelo a new op? [02:45] apparently. [02:45] AndrewB: yes [02:47] * AndrewB nods then goes to bed [02:50] had forgotten how nutty #ubuntu is [02:56] uhm why did ubotu ignore floodbot calling [02:57] maybe it ignores ubuntu/bot/* [02:57] as well as, why did the other floodbots set -l [02:57] Why are you asking us? shouldnt you know this? [02:58] lol [02:58] LjL, has the number of users been under 1000? [02:58] no0tic, shouldn't matter [02:59] if it happens should bot set -l or am I wrong? [02:59] no0tic: no, it just won't set the limit below that [03:00] ok, sorry, just searching an explanation :) [03:01] more likely just that the difference between limit and number of users got bigger than 50 [03:01] or 40, or whatever i've set it to now [03:02] yes, it exceeded 50 [03:02] ok then it's not a bug [03:02] if the limit were actually set on #ubuntu, no -l would have been set [03:02] since it would never have reached that difference in the first place [03:05] otoh i still don't know why ubotu ignored the ops calls [03:05] ah wait, ubotu probably has ubuntu/bot/* on ignore... [03:05] * crdlb already said that :) [03:06] oh sorry missed it, i was mostly scrolled up to read the limits that were set... [03:06] that's a nuisance [03:07] add an exception :) [03:07] dunno if it's possible [03:08] of course it is, the question is how much work will it be :) [03:10] crdlb: i doubt seveas would be willing to change supybot's ignore code :) [03:10] :) [03:13] well you could ignore ubuntu/bot/ubot* [03:13] ubotu is the only one that starts with ubot :) [03:14] ubotwo and ubot3? [03:14] right, ubotwo's got an ubuntu cloak... ubot3 doesn't though [03:14] but there are others anyway [03:15] anyway, i'll check with seveas [03:37] LjL, is the floodbot doing the limiting based on #ubuntu's current numbers? [04:00] !ping [04:00] pong === LongPointyStick is now known as LongPointyPony [04:19] In #ubuntu-offtopic, eboyjr said: !arp is ARP is an acronym for Address Resolution Protocol [04:20] In #ubuntu-offtopic, Spaceman3750 said: !no arp is Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) is the process by which computers resolve IP addresses to MAC addresses to address frames for transmission within the local area network (LAN) [04:22] In #ubuntu-offtopic, genii said: ubotu remember arp is Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) is the process by which computers resolve IP addresses to MAC addresses to address frames for transmission within the local area network (LAN) [04:23] arp arp arp [05:01] Jack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu (deleriumz) [05:03] Jack_Sparrow called the ops in #ubuntu () [05:03] [05:03] im sorry bradv and pirate, i didnt know linux users were pussies ^ [06:32] how come floodbot1 is flooding the channel? [06:33] heh [06:33] it [06:33] 's running here as a test [06:33] rob: it only appears to be flooding because nobody is talking [06:33] when it's in production, those mode changes will happen in #ubuntu [06:33] I noticed, well at least it is aptly named I guess :) [06:33] where it will be dwarfed by the #u traffic :) [06:35] I'm guessing ljl owns that bot based on channel accesses [06:36] rob: he's coded it. they are hosted on different servers [06:36] ah [06:36] rob: you did see there are 3 of 'em, right? [06:37] well yes I did, but was wondering who actually owned it as the details are pretty vague [06:37] it's hosted on mine, ljls and somebody elses box === rob1 is now known as rob [07:03] hello [07:03] hi tnseditor1 [07:03] I am a new OP [07:03] and I am confused [07:04] my regular name should be tnseditor, but in xchat it says my nickname is already in use. [07:04] how do I fix that [07:05] tnseditor1: why are you in #ubuntu-ops ? [07:05] /msg nickserv help ghost [07:06] I am trying to get help since I am new to being an op [07:06] I also forgot that command [07:08] would someone like to remind marko that #ubuntu is not a place for random ranting about such topics as UFS and sudo? [07:09] multiverse is a constant [07:14] MasterShrek called the ops in #ubuntu (marko) [07:15] *sigh* [07:15] Varka called the ops in #ubuntu (marko) [07:16] multiverse called the ops in #ubuntu (marko) === jussi__ is now known as jussi01 [08:07] Varka called the ops in #ubuntu (marko) [08:10] rob: aww [08:10] hey, you get a cooler force part message [08:10] he was a bit annoying :) [08:29] !bcm43xx [08:29] Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx [08:29] !-broadcom [08:29] broadcom is wifi - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 00:18:12 [08:29] !no broadcom is bcm43xx [08:29] You are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm [08:29] !no broadcom is bcm43xx [08:29] I'll remember that Amaranth [08:30] !broadcom [08:30] Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx [08:32] there is a troller on #kubuntu named "test_" [08:32] not really an evil one, just to make you aware of it [08:32] jussi01 called the ops in #kubuntu () [08:36] Mez: available to remove a troll from #kubuntu ? [08:37] jussi01 called the ops in #kubuntu (test_ is trolling) [08:38] well you got the info sleepy people :) [08:39] yeah yeah, lemme get rid of lag first [08:40] nobody pays attention [08:40] !ping [08:40] pong [08:43] nalioth: nope, sadly... everyones sleeping [08:44] nalioth: happens sometimes in the morning - they need to get someone from gmt +2 or +3 === GazzaK is now known as Gary [09:31] laa [09:34] baa [09:34] oink [09:37] !info firefox dapper [09:37] firefox: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla. In component main, is optional. Version 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.14~prepatch071011b-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 7791 kB, installed size 23060 kB [09:38] is that floodBot in #ubuntu? (and just telling us here what it is doing?) [09:41] no... [09:41] and it's not telling you what is going on, that's the server telling you the bot has changed channel modes [09:42] it's probably a test run to see how it handles #ubuntu traffic [09:42] ahh, cool [09:42] seems to change the channel mode a lot, but that'd be lost in #ubuntu though [09:43] yes, it's here for a test period [09:43] notice there are multiples for redundancy [09:45] it'd help a lot [09:46] they're designed to pick up the slack if one lags off or splits [09:47] Artificially lagging by 26 seconds due to debug command [09:47] and all these outputs from the bot will be removed when it goes 'live' [10:18] nixternal: Is the copyright on your blog post making fun of something? :P [11:22] mmmh [12:00] WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit [12:04] ...hi RichEd [12:05] hi Hobbsee ... can you help with a "doh" question ? [12:05] i created #ubuntu-education some time ago ... but can't remember the password I used to register it [12:05] any idea how i recover it ? need to get op status to create a topic [12:10] * Hobbsee curses whatever just hardlocked her system [12:10] RichEd: good question [12:10] Hobbsee: wasn't me :) [12:11] Hobbsee: but also bear with me on this logic ... [12:11] if the topic is "gone" that means the channel must have been empty at some stage [12:11] or that freenode died since you last tried it [12:11] does it then fall away, or does it stay registered ? [12:11] it's still registered [12:11] how do you find info about a channel ? [12:12] why do you need the channel password? [12:12] /cs info #ubuntu-education [12:12] to op myself so I can set a topic [12:12] you don't need the channel p/w so you can set the topic [12:13] RichEd: you can op yourself with /op, in xchat, i think [12:13] the longhand way is /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-education RichEd [12:14] you have enough power to add more ops, and to do so, you use /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-education add foobar 10 [12:14] (or similar, i think that's the synatax) [12:14] -a [12:15] you would only need the channel password in the case of the channel becomming unregistered, etc, i think [12:15] okay [12:31] RichEd, have you tried "/msg chanserv identify #ubuntu-education" without the password? [12:31] It might just be linked to your nick instead of a password. [12:31] PriceChild: I'm sorted ... thanks to Hobbsee ... ta [12:47] ubotu: ping [12:47] pong [12:48] :) [12:57] assistanice in #ubuntu please "iank" starting to troll [12:58] * Tm_T can't help [12:59] Tm_T: your rubbish then ;) [12:59] he's calmed down any how [12:59] I am [13:32] floodbot ? [13:35] ikonia, anti flood attack bots [13:35] ikonia, they are doing here what they would do in #ubuntu [13:36] Just going to run it for a week perhaps in here, check there aren't any major problems. [13:37] PriceChild: thats quite clever [13:42] ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu () [13:42] astro76 called the ops in #ubuntu (geezuz) [13:42] ikonia, by flood, i mean join flood... not flood like just happenned :P [13:43] PriceChild: I got you ;) [14:24] so did my bots behave tonight? [14:24] well, tonight and this morning... and the part of the afternoon while i was sleeping? [14:28] LjL: in which channels? [14:28] and what bots [14:28] the floodbots, in here [14:28] ah [14:35] LjL, they seemed to [14:36] aside, i see from the logs, from nalioth trying to give a demonstration of automatic failover, and failing :) [14:37] we could kick em to test it [14:38] hm no they disregard kicks [14:38] they need to quit, or lag [14:56] Gary: here's your demonstration [16:00] WARNING: ChanServ is not replying, removing limit [16:08] hmmles- spammage from floodbot [17:38] ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu () [17:38] para in ops 200 line flood [17:38] IdleOne called the ops in #ubuntu (Para93) [17:39] fyrestrtr called the ops in #ubuntu () [17:39] tomaw: hi [17:39] hi [17:39] thanks [17:40] tomaw: and welcome to our crew [17:44] ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu () [17:44] Slomo232 idiot in#ubuntu spamming [17:44] thank you [17:45] Mez: thank you sorry [17:47] stand by on super_seag_sonic hedgohog for an outburst as he leaves [18:10] how you did realname ban? [18:15] Tm_T, Realname ban is +d I believe ;) [18:15] thanks [18:15] I just use /cs l for people like that [18:23] any staffers on? [18:23] drugs? [18:24] AndrewB: not funny [18:24] sorry.. [18:30] How long does a ban typically last for using unacceptable language? [18:30] Depends. What channel? [18:30] #ubuntu [18:31] twoshadetod: depends how a banned person learns from it [18:31] Well I haven't been able to get in there for 2 weeks and I need help, so I guess I learned my lesson [18:32] that doesn't mean it [18:32] more, you agree what you have done is not right? [18:32] Hmm I don't know. I "learned" you can't speak like that in the channel, it [18:32] and you promise it won't happen again? [18:32] it's apparent now since I haven't been able to get in that if i use that language i will not be welcomed there [18:33] true [18:33] yes i was wrong, and wont do it again [18:33] I'm happy with, PriceChild? [18:33] !guidelines | twoshadetod [18:33] twoshadetod: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [18:33] Please go read that. [18:33] Say when done. [18:33] And don't abuse the bot. [18:35] PriceChild: can't [18:38] Who is SABDFL? [18:38] !sabdfl [18:38] Mark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com [18:38] ahhok [18:39] I've read the guidelines and code of conduct and tried to sign it but it just redisplays the code, i don't see how i can sign it [18:40] Is that required? Or just my thorough review and acceptance of them in front of you ok? [18:40] no need to sign it [18:40] you need launchpad account and gpg key to signup [18:41] ok very good, thanks for giving me a second chance - the #ubuntu channel is probably the best resource I have found to date [18:41] :)) [18:41] the forum being a close second but the channel is real tiem [18:41] am I good to go guys? [18:41] twoshadetod: best for all of us is no need to ban at the first place, second is that we can remove them without hassle [18:42] in a minute [18:44] twoshadetod: can you join now? [18:44] yes thanks alot [18:44] PriceChild thanks for giving me a shot to even ask [18:44] you're welcome and have a good time in ubuntu irc [18:44] Ok guys take care [18:45] ...there was no ban to remove? [18:46] oh, right [18:47] * Tm_T is slow [20:00]