[00:32] <evil_tech> whoo hoo someone recycled a perfectly fine Radeon X800
[00:33] <evil_tech> *dances around shop
[02:29] <d1n0> I'm having problems with Ubuntu! i've got a logitech dinovo edge keyboard and a mx1000 laser that came with dinovo laser set a couple years ago, both are running on bluetooth, but mx1000 wont work in ubuntu when edge is connected! this is a problem i had in 7.04 too, but couldnt find any other solutions then install Xubuntu! but i wanna use Ubuntu now! anyone?
[02:32] <_zach_> I'm having trouble with video playback on my xubuntu laptop (ati radeon x1300) card... should I manually install the driver?
[03:37] <hal9k2010> hello all and happy turkey day manana
[03:38] <hal9k2010> :-D
[03:42] <The-Kernel> haha
[03:44] <d1n0> I'm having problems with Ubuntu! i've got a logitech dinovo edge keyboard and a mx1000 laser that came with dinovo laser set a couple years ago, both are running on bluetooth, but mx1000 wont work in ubuntu when edge is connected! this is a problem i had in 7.04 too, but couldnt find any other solutions then install Xubuntu! but i wanna use Ubuntu now! anyone?
[04:27] <hal9k2010> using vlc i can open mpegs ok but no wmv  any help with this ?
[05:11] <hal9k2010> hello all
[05:22] <MediaDoneRight> hello
[05:23] <MediaDoneRight> :)
[07:22] <CyberMad> i got problem panel on xubuntu, so the panel is gone.. how to restore it? like the start menu, clock, etc
[07:22] <CyberMad> taskbar..
[07:22] <MediaDoneRight> does it still exist?
[07:23] <CyberMad> no..
[07:24] <CyberMad> it's gone :(
[07:24] <MediaDoneRight> can you access applications menu item?
[07:25] <CyberMad>  i tried delete the ./config /xfce/panel  then re-login
[07:25] <CyberMad> but the panel still doesn't restore :(
[07:25] <MediaDoneRight> if not, hmm, not sure
[07:25] <CyberMad> yes i can right click on desktop, then show the menu
[07:27] <CyberMad> how to fix it? :(
[07:27] <MediaDoneRight> Im not sure of the program name of panel manager?
[07:28] <MediaDoneRight> or I'd say run that,,, recreate
[07:28] <CyberMad> i even don't know.. how to restart this xubuntu? because the button to do shutdown/restart is gone
[07:28] <CyberMad> yes i want to re-create, the question is how?
[07:28] <CyberMad> :)
[07:28] <MediaDoneRight> i can get you that...
[07:29] <CyberMad> let me guess..
[07:29] <CyberMad> right click on the desktop -> Settings -> Settings Manager
[07:29] <CyberMad> the choose Panel ?
[07:29] <raxa> hi
[07:29] <CyberMad> i tried click on it several time, but no response
[07:29] <raxa> hola
[07:30] <MediaDoneRight> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=589018
[07:30] <raxa> please I have a doubt
[07:30] <MediaDoneRight> wait.. do you have a menu bar?
[07:30] <MediaDoneRight> raxa: hello
[07:31] <MediaDoneRight> oops... that link seems useless
[07:31] <CyberMad> hehe
[07:31] <CyberMad> :)
[07:31] <MediaDoneRight> but figured it'd start ff for you (assuming it wasnt running)
[07:31] <raxa> I have a toshiba laptop with xubuntu 7.10 just installed, previously it had 7.04
[07:31] <CyberMad> what menu bar?
[07:31] <CyberMad> i just only see some icons on the desktop
[07:31] <MediaDoneRight> menu = panel
[07:32] <MediaDoneRight> sorry, i wasnt clear
[07:32] <CyberMad> i can right click then show the start menu
[07:32] <MediaDoneRight> ok, no panel bar
[07:32] <CyberMad> there is no default panel when 1st installation
[07:32] <CyberMad> like taskbar
[07:32] <MediaDoneRight> start - > settings - > panel manager?
[07:32] <raxa> I has no conection to internet, and i've trying to download the win32 codecs and the lib's for dvd reproduction
[07:32] <raxa> but no luck
[07:33] <CyberMad> I use Xubuntu 6.06
[07:33] <MediaDoneRight> raxa: sorry.  whats your question?  the package to download?
[07:33] <CyberMad> there is no panel manager on settings
[07:34] <MediaDoneRight> settings > settings manager?
[07:35] <CyberMad> yes, there is Panel on settings manager, but no response when i click it
[07:35] <raxa> the question is what codecs I have to download, to enable these features
[07:38] <MediaDoneRight> google: xubuntu w32 codecs ...  I'm not sure
[07:40] <raxa> it's kind of difficult without an internet conection
[07:40] <MediaDoneRight> CyberMad: list of hot keys http://ubuntufan.wordpress.com/2006/12/29/hot-keysget-your-hot-keys/
[07:40] <MediaDoneRight> raxa: seems you're on the internet now
[07:40] <MediaDoneRight> Im confused
[07:41] <MediaDoneRight>  Crtl-Alt-Backspace    Restart XWindows
[07:41] <raxa> yes but in another laptop xD... mine
[07:41] <MediaDoneRight> alt-f1
[07:41] <MediaDoneRight> i can't fix that... I'm still not sure what you want
[07:42] <CyberMad> nevermind.. i tried delete the account then re-create
[07:43] <MediaDoneRight> file:///usr/share/xfce4/doc/C/xfce4-panel.html#panel-getting-started-configure
[07:43] <raxa> i need to know what packages i have to download to enable the features like mp3 or video codecs
[07:43] <raxa> and with a pendrive, pass them to the other laptop
[07:43] <MediaDoneRight> like i said:  google: xubuntu w32 codecs ...  I'm not sure
[07:44] <raxa> i tried i google but i've found links for dapper drake and im currently looking in http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ but still no luck
[07:46] <raxa> these was the post of dapper http://www.ubuntu-es.org/index.php?q=node/58395
[08:18] <ochosi> hi everyone, quick question: where-else shall i look for (debian automagic) startmenu entries apart from /usr/share/applications?
[11:16] <squirrelpimp> if i hold alt and push the mousewheel down, the current window goes into background. if i do that again on the then visible underlying window, the window from the background come to the front.
[11:16] <squirrelpimp> that way i get a toggle feature... however it should cycle throug the other windows on my screen before
[11:17] <squirrelpimp> is that a bug or am i misinterpreting a feature here?
[13:02] <tuna> So, i managed to screw up pretty bad. Now, the list of everything that is supposed to start when a session starts is empty. how do I fix this?
[13:03] <tuna> Right now, when I login to x, xfce4-session starts xfwm starts, but that's it. i got a cursor and a background
[13:05] <tuna> when i try to start anything else from serial console, like DISPLAY=:0 xfce4-panel, all I get is a segfault. So I suppose they need some support process that isn't there
[13:42] <livingdaylight> hELLO
[13:45] <tuna-fish> this is really quite weird.
[13:46] <tuna-fish> installing ubuntu-desktop got xfce4 working again
[13:46] <livingdaylight> is xubuntu an african word too?
[13:47] <tuna-fish> I don't think so
[13:47] <livingdaylight> why does xfce have a mouse for an icon?
[13:48] <livingdaylight> it could be called Ratatouille now, no?
[13:55] <tich> hi.  i am currently using ubuntu (gnome) but i am dissatisfied with how it manages the desktop (especially with twinview).  i loved how xfce deals with twinview but i when i last used it i could draw a box on the desktop to highlight and move multiple icons.  is it possible yet?
[14:02] <tich> so i realize the question sounds a little bit trivial.  it is so trivial that no one really documents anything about it (that i could find through googling) my only other option would to download an iso, burn it and run the livecd to find the answer. so i would really appreciate it if someone could tell me.
[14:08] <tich> ...?
[14:12] <livingdaylight> tich, i am quite happy with how gnome is progressing
[14:19] <tich> i like gnome.
[14:21] <tich> but i xfce gives more options for the second screen.  when i fullscreen a movie with gnome (and twinview) it spreads across both monitors but, when last i tried, with xfce it would use only one of the monitors.
[14:22] <tich> but...
[14:22] <tich> i like gnome.
[14:23] <tich> i didn't mean to diss it.  i just want to know if it is possible to move multiple icons at once on the xfce desktop.
[14:25] <tich> livingdaylight: is it possible?
[14:26] <livingdaylight> tich, don't know sir
[14:28] <tich> livingdaylight: do you use xubuntu?
[14:29] <livingdaylight> nope...
[14:29] <tich> that's hilarious.
[14:36] <livingdaylight> i don't think anyone in here uses xubuntu, :p
[15:11] <magic_ninja> happy thanksgiving everyone
[17:30] <FoulOleRon> eeek!!
[17:30] <FoulOleRon> .... I broke my vid confid
[17:30] <FoulOleRon> ... config
[17:30] <FoulOleRon> and I've lost the ability to SPELL!! :(
[17:31] <FoulOleRon> any ideas on the vid?
[18:18] <The-Kernel> hey what's the command to fix grub?
[18:55] <somerville32> The-Kernel, update-grub or something?
[18:55] <Ben_Cs> hello
[18:56] <somerville32> Hi
[19:41] <somerville32> Where is the /etc/ config file for firewall?
[20:18] <somerville32> TheSheep, How do I change the default desktop?
[20:19] <TheSheep> somerville32: in what sense?
[20:20] <somerville32> TheSheep, So it boots into Xfce4 instead of Gnome.
[20:20] <TheSheep> somerville32: just select it on the login screen
[20:20] <TheSheep> somerville32: it will ask whether to save that change
[20:20] <somerville32> I want to do this from the command line
[20:20] <somerville32> ie. edit a text file
[20:20] <TheSheep> somerville32: alternatively, edit the .dmrc file in your ~
[20:20] <somerville32> thanks
[20:21] <somerville32> xfce4?
[20:23] <TheSheep> yeah
[20:49] <ActySofts> does anyone have any ideas how to switch from ubuntu to xubuntu without formatting everything??
[20:50] <TheSheep> ActySofts: install the xubuntu-desktop package, then select 'xfce4' at your login screen
[20:50] <ActySofts> eg I could install xubuntu-desktop and uninstall ubuntu-desktop, but lots of stuff will remain
[20:50] <TheSheep> ActySofts: just remove the things you don't need
[20:51] <TheSheep> ActySofts: besides, they only take some extra disk space, they don't make your computer slower
[20:52] <ActySofts> however, do I need to do it from a console environment or I can do it from the gui & restart?
[20:53] <TheSheep> ActySofts: you can install xubuntu-desktop from gui, log out, log in into xfce and uninstall the gnome things you don't want
[20:53] <ActySofts> ok thanks
[21:26] <somerville32> TheSheep, Do you know anything about vnc4server?
[21:26] <TheSheep> no
[21:31] <Super_BQ> TheSheep: you should visit New Zealand
[21:33] <TheSheep> Super_BQ: sorry, not this year
[21:33] <Super_BQ> we've got cows next door now - sometimes sheep too
[21:34] <TheSheep> !ot | Super_BQ
[21:34] <ubotu> Super_BQ: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[21:37] <dddddd> #xfce
[22:13] <whyking_> hi
[22:13] <whyking_> There is a debian package I want to use in my ubuntu, is there a clean way to do this?
[22:14] <somerville32> What debian package?
[22:14] <whyking_> python-qt4
[22:15] <whyking_> I know that there is a ubuntu package
[22:15] <whyking_> but I need the latest version
[22:15] <whyking_> ubuntu is 4.3.0, debian is 4.3.1
[22:16] <somerville32> Why do you need the latest?
[22:16] <TheSheep> whyking_: should install, unless it uses soem weird dependencies
[22:16] <somerville32> I don't recommend you install it
[22:16] <somerville32> You'll lose all ubuntu changes
[22:17] <somerville32> Ask for it to be merged/synced
[22:17] <somerville32> Infact, bug me about it later and I'll look into it for you. Can you hold off until then?
[22:17] <whyking_> TheSheep, so I shoudlN#t be worried about being attacked by a raptor when I do it?
[22:17] <whyking_> somerville32, what would you look into?
[22:17] <somerville32> whyking_, No, just worry about breaking your system.
[22:17] <whyking_> somerville32, yeah, tahts my concern
[22:17] <somerville32> whyking_, I'll either do the merge/sync myself.
[22:18] <somerville32> Oh wait. You're not using Hardy, I bet. lol
[22:18] <whyking_> nope
[22:18] <whyking_> gutsy
[22:18] <somerville32> Okay, bug me later and I'll fix you up
[22:19] <TheSheep> whyking_: too much xkcd
[22:19] <whyking_> TheSheep, ;-)
[22:20] <whyking_> somerville32, what time is later?
[22:20] <somerville32> whyking_, Few hours
[22:20] <somerville32> Why do you need it anyhow?
[22:20] <TheSheep> whyking_: it's in the Future!
[22:22] <whyking_> somerville32, well.. I'm trying to debug this thing but its giving me a pain, there is a feature in that that hopefully helps me
[22:23] <whyking_> thesheep, you are a logician, do you know how I know that?
[22:23] <whyking_> 1. you had to think hard
[22:23] <whyking_> 2. your answer is correct
[22:23] <whyking_> 3. it is completely useless
[22:23] <whyking_> ;-)
[22:24] <TheSheep> whyking_: I'm particularly interested in the method you used to measure how hard I was thinking.
[22:24] <TheSheep> whyking_: also, !ot
[22:24] <somerville32> lol
[22:25] <whyking_> TheSheep, !ot?
[22:27] <somerville32> He wants to continue chatting with you in #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:27] <Super_BQ> any other PCI ATA-133 card users here? Would like to know how well Xubuntu supports ATA133 on old PII boxes
[22:34] <gerro> following the cd method here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318789 for updating bios however the floppy size image is too small, what do I do?
[22:46] <psi_newbie> Is it common to experience many disruptions in the package downloads for upgrading to 7.10?
[22:46] <psi_newbie> I have performed it on 2 computers, and have had to make ~10 attempts each to get all the packages since transfer ~frequently stops.  Is that a server/traffic issue or me??
[22:47] <gerro> psi_newbie: I noticed on my friends system his sometimes drops to 5 bps so I have to restart downloads, think its a dsl issue
[22:48] <gerro> psi_newbie: can you access your modem? usually on 192.168.1.100 might be some setting you can fix on there if not try checking sysctl.conf for some network parameter options maybe something is wrong with window sizing
[22:52] <gerro> psi_newbie: either way fixing window sizing to more accurately depict your network might yield nice performance boost
[22:53] <gerro> psi_newbie: try running wireshark while your updating to and pastebin the logs from it
[22:57] <gerro> psi_newbie: any thoughts?...
[22:58] <psi_newbie> I am using dsl, and wouldn't be surprised if that was the issue.  wireshark? -- I was looking it up
[22:59] <psi_newbie> my gkrellm eth0 monitor shows nothing during the downtime, and my local router traffic lights stop blinking, but I wasn't sure if that was a lack of response or connection
[23:02] <psi_newbie> I'll try wireshark since it sound like a personal issue.  I presume my experience isn't common to upgraders in general then.
[23:02] <psi_newbie> thanks
[23:04] <gerro> gkrellm?
[23:07] <psi_newbie> gkrellm - small desktop system monitor including panels for lan, wlan connections
[23:08] <gerro> ohh ok were a lot of plugins for it and didn't really know what it did
[23:11] <psi_newbie> I'm off to another attempt to get the remaining packages to upgrade this machine.  Hope it doesn't take too many more attemtps.  Thanks for the advice.  Xubuntu itself has kept this old laptop functioning well!
[23:12] <gerro> ah shame he left
[23:12] <gerro> he could just copy his apt cache over nfs be lot faster